#2612 RHONY S15E06: Smells Like Mean Spirit

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2612: RHONY S15E06: Smells Like Mean Spirit

Release Date: November 6, 2024

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2612 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest drama unfolding in The Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) Season 15, Episode 6, aptly titled "Smells Like Mean Spirit." This episode explores escalating tensions, intricate relationship dynamics, and the quirky antics that make RHONY a staple for Bravo enthusiasts.

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Jessel Takes Center Stage

The episode opens with Ben and Ronnie discussing Jessel's newfound prominence in the show. After being a breakout star in the previous season, Jessel finally gets the spotlight she deserves, much to the hosts' amusement.

Ben [05:12]: "Jessel was the breakout star of last year. Why has it taken like five or six episodes for Bravo to realize that they need to focus on their star more?"

Despite her increased visibility, Jessel's actions continue to bewilder both the housewives and the audience. Her attempts to mediate conflicts often lead to more confusion, exemplified by her interaction with Aaron over mezcal.

Ronnie [07:02]: "It's morality trolling. Right?"

Raquel's Art World and Familial Struggles

Raquel emerges as another focal point, navigating the insular and often hostile art community. Her relationship struggles, particularly with her mother, add layers of drama to her storyline.

Ben [33:21]: "She's like, I was the final product. But I wasn't just the model. I controlled the hair and the makeup and everything in those paintings."

The hosts critique Raquel's handling of her personal and professional life, highlighting the challenges of maintaining authenticity in a cutthroat industry.

Ronnie [35:35]: "This seems like part and parcel for the art world. How many stories do we hear about famous artists juggling multiple relationships?"

Engagement and Communication Issues

A significant plotline revolves around Jessel and Pavit's strained communication regarding expanding their family. Jessel's desire for another child clashes with Pavit's evident disinterest, leading to heated discussions and attempts at reconciliation.

Ronnie [52:44]: "Parents don't want it, both parents should want it. But at this point I'm not sure he even wanted the first two."

Ben and Ronnie analyze the couple's inability to align their desires, emphasizing the importance of mutual agreement in major life decisions.

Ben [52:31]: "I don't know how to remedy that, but I don't think any baby should be brought into the world if they're, you know, no one wants."

Cinco de Mayo Mezcal Party

The hosts shift focus to Aaron and Abe's Cinco de Mayo party, where mezcal is introduced as the star beverage. The event serves as a backdrop for further character interactions and misunderstandings.

Ben [61:46]: "She didn't bring anything to America."

Jessel's over-the-top promotion of mezcal contrasts with the party's laid-back vibe, leading to comedic moments and heightened tensions.

Ronnie [62:38]: "Chief separatists. So society's like, what do you mean being separate?"

'Basic' Commentary and Character Dynamics

A recurring theme in the episode is the critique of certain behaviors labeled as "basic." Jessel confronts Uber's disdain for using a glass, sparking a debate on superficial judgments and underlying insecurities.

Jessel [75:48]: "You are a Basic who uses a glass?"

Ronnie [75:04]: "Aaron's like, you are the most basic here."

Ben and Ronnie use this exchange to highlight the shallow yet pervasive nature of such labels within social circles.

Ben [77:18]: "None of them get what 'basic' means."

Climactic Confrontations and Resolutions

The episode culminates in a series of confrontations at the Mezcal party. Accusations fly, friendships are tested, and alliances are questioned as characters navigate their complex relationships.

Ben [80:17]: "This is truly a family business."

Ronnie [82:43]: "It's Leslie Plunkett. Let's give a kissarino to Lisalino."

In the end, despite the chaos, Ben and Ronnie remind listeners of the enduring appeal of RHONY's drama and the unyielding bond among the housewives.

Ben [82:20]: "No matter if it's a good day or it's a bad day, we're going to be here because we love you guys."

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Conclusion

Episode #2612 of Watch What Crappens offers an incisive and humorous take on RHONY's latest developments. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam adeptly dissect the show's intricate dynamics, offering listeners both entertainment and insightful commentary. From Jessel's quest for spotlight to Raquel's artistic battles and the couple's fertility dilemmas, this episode encapsulates the essence of what makes RHONY a compelling reality series.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben [05:12]: "Jessel was the breakout star of last year. Why has it taken like five or six episodes for Bravo to realize that they need to focus on their star more?"

• Ronnie [35:35]: "This seems like part and parcel for the art world. How many stories do we hear about famous artists juggling multiple relationships?"

• Ben [52:31]: "I don't know how to remedy that, but I don't think any baby should be brought into the world if they're, you know, no one wants."

• Ronnie [75:48]: "Aaron's like, you are the most basic here."

• Ben [82:20]: "No matter if it's a good day or it's a bad day, we're going to be here because we love you guys."

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hello and welcome to watch our crap ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to watch. I'm Ben Mandelker and Joining me is Mr. Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie, how's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, great. How are you doing? The whole world's on fire. I'm feeling great, Ben. How are things over there on your side of town?

[Ronnie Karam]

Things are just wonderful, just wonderful. You know, just, you know, I had, I had some McDonald's this morning and I'm just gonna focus all my energy on Bravo and all my emotions will come out through the recapping of the Real Housewives of New York.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel great about it, Ben. Feeling great about everything. Our future. Everybody's going to be great. Everybody's going to be fine, guys. Look to your left and say I love you. Look to your right and say I love you. Look behind you and go. Run, run, run.

[Ronnie Karam]

The other.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we'll be okay. Like I said yesterday, we are all part of the country of Bravo. We are all citizens of the same country here and we will love each no matter what.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, we are. So anyway, let us dive into the Real Housewives of New York because guess what? The Real Housewives of New York was on last night. It's so funny. I don't know why. And actually, by the way, notably this episode of Rony actually made me chortle a few times and I was like, what? Wait, Signs of life. Signs of life. I'm laughing. And you know why? Because they finally put Jessel front and center. Hello. Jessel was the breakout star of last year. Why has it taken like five or six episodes for Bravo to realize that they need to focus on their star more? Why do we have so much Aaron content at all times? Give us Jessel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Actually, I would argue that Aaron kind of gave today, believe it or not. I mean, Aaron literally came to the show and congratulated herself for bringing for we Mexicans bringing mezcal to America. So I know Listen, that's a delusion that we've been missing on this show for a long time. And yes, of course, you know, I wasn't expecting to come from Aaron, but it did. So, you know, welcome. And then we also had Raquel, who's probably one of the coolest people who's ever been on Bravo, I think. Really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Her. Raquel has the. Her ratio of being cool to boring is fascinatingly high. Like, I've never seen someone so cool, but so boring. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's so. She's so cool about everything that she makes her scandals just seem boring. You know, like, we got a big Raquel scandal today, and I was like, I am bored with your scandal, ma'am. I need more scandalous details. And not just people on the Internet were mean to me. Why were they mean to you? What were the twins? What did you do? Were you married? I need to know. And I need other people calling her out on this because I need the calm facade to go away because her storyline's great and I would really love to be friends with this person. But, yeah, you're right. Her story is fascinating. And I'm still like, I can't wait for this scene to end.

[Ronnie Karam]

I personally would love to meet who are the trolls in the art community? Because that is a funny concept to me. Like, I'm in the art community, but I'm also a troll. Like, I understand trolling in video gaming. I understand trolling in reality tv. But if you are trolling the art world, that's a very special, unique kind of troll. And I would love to just understand what makes you tick.

[Ben Mandelker]

But also, you know what. What makes it even crazier is that it's morality trolling. Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's. What's even more nuts to me is that the art world, of all places, is like, you cheated on your husband and became a lesbian.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, that's. That's in the art world. I'm in the art world to cheat on my husband and become a lesbian. And by the way, I'm going to do coke off a lesbian's unmarried, newly divorced, cheating ass as soon as I can. What? We're. That's why we're in the art world. Okay. You think I learned all the lyrics to Oklahoma for nothing?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It all doesn't really make sense. And yet also was not very interesting to me, which is strange because I thought it would be more interesting. But I was like, okay, this has been going on a long time. But that being said, I thought there Were a lot of funny things going on here. So, anyway, let's dive in. So we open up with Uber and Sai at a nail salon, and Uber's like, oh, I've been coming here for 10 years. They do the best nails. This is where all the supermodels come. And so I was like, oh, yeah. Wow, that's pretty. Oh, my God, I got my toenail in your hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. She literally got her toenail in some lady's hair. I don't apologizing. But you know what? The lady got your toenail in her. In her own hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not. How did that happen?

[Ben Mandelker]

You should be better at to toenail clipping. Like, she needs to aim her toenail clipper better. I'm not taking the blame for you getting in the way of my toenail coming at you. I've got a huge toenail. If you're even willing to work on it. You are. You are assuming that risk. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I am going to say I don't think it was size toenail because, well, it could. It could be size toenail. If the lady had the toenail on her hand and then brushed her hair, which is a strange thing to do. I think it's more likely that whoever was nexusai in this case uba, that when the toenail was clipped, it went flying. And it's not going to fly, like, up and over and land in your hair. It's going to fly, like, bing to the left. So I think this is Uba's nail. I have a conspiracy theory on this. The nail came from beyond the grassy knoll. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Just nodding.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm with you. I'm completely with you. I love the conspiracy of the size toenail trying to murder this lady. I don't know where it came from, but I'm here for it, you know, that's the best thing I've heard today.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what I needed to really get through today, is a conspiracy theory about who's who nail. Was it literally everything? Just gonna focus on this. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So UBA's like, oh, it reminds me of Dumb and Dumb are. You know? And so I was like, no. You know, when they were getting their nails, no one remembers Uber. Okay. What are you bringing up Dumb and Dumber on a Bravo show? What the fuck is that?

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I remember, but I also think. But that's not what happened on Dumb and Dumber. Like, no nail went into someone's hair. That's not what happened. Uba.

[Ben Mandelker]

I Don't remember that one. I mean, I remember Dumb and Dumber. They had, like, stupid haircuts on the poster and stuff. I remember the one where he spoke out of his butthole. What was that one?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's Ace Ventura, but, you know, and Dumb and Dumber. Like, he goes to get, like, his. Get, like, a pedicure because he's making himself look all nice for Lauren Holly. And then they have to, like, take out, like, a massive, like, industrial drill to take care of the nails. It's a whole thing. So then it was really fun, I guess.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be quiet.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jenna. Now we go to Jenna. She's in her room, and there's a cat on her bed. And the cat is in a little cast, and she's like, this poor thing. Just two more weeks. Two more weeks with a cast. And apparently Jenna says she just, like, walked in and the cat was, like, on her bed with, like, its legs, like, out. Like, I think cat. Kathy Bates had come along and taught this other cat a lesson here.

[Ben Mandelker]

She didn't like the cat's last book. She liked up that ending cat. You remember that part in Misery where Kathy Bates gets a thumb. A thumbnail in her head? So she comes in and the assistant Molly has some nerve. I'm gonna say that right now. Keep your eyes open for Molly. Jenna. Don't trust her, because Molly was like. And we still don't know what happened. Molly. Is that an accusatory tone I hear? Are you accusing Jenna, motherfucking lions. She. Of the crazy glitter headband? Right? What is Jenna's headband, by the way? Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that to us? Why are you doing that to the world? Think about things before you go on tv. But it's this big, huge glitter. I don't know if it's a. It looks like a funeral veil, but also headband rolled up. Like a funeral veil rolled up like a restaurant tarp. Anyway, she's there, and Molly's basically accusing Jenna of, you know, breaking this kitty's legs. So I want to know what's going on in this house. And Jenna's like, no, you know, we just. You know, we. Oh, we found her in bed. She's like, meow, meow. And so I. I gave her some new teeth, and I explained that the Rockefeller is now for all the villagers. All the villagers. She's feeling better now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So, yeah, Jenna's like, starts leaning down, and she's like. I learned that if you blink really slowly and tilt your head, then that makes cat Cats feel more comfortable with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Or it turns on people who want to be lesbians. It's like, brent, where'd you come from?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's an interesting tactic because it's what she uses with Aaron. Like last week, when Aaron was pretending to be mad at her for no reason because she had nothing to do. And she was like, aaron, I don't want to. Are you mad? Can we just wake up? Just licking your hands, turning in three circles, and then, you know, sitting on your knee cap.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we go to Aaron's apartment, and Aaron is filling out tote bags that say Mezcalum. And Abe is there to help out. And he's like, wow, that's a lot of bags. And she's like, well, I'm tired. He's like, well, that's not what I meant. She goes, well, a lot of people, like, we're totally over capacity to our super important event. And he's like, I know. It's like we send the. Invent the invite out, and everyone decides to rsvp. It's like, our product is super, super popular.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why are you sitting on all my stuff, Abe? Get off my stuff. I'm, like, trying to do stuff, and then you're sitting on the stuff. Poor Abe just looks so nervous. I hope Abe stole more of that bitcoin. I hope Abe has a whole secret wallet full of bitcoin for when he needs to run. We're going to find Abe and fucking Bermuda one day. Just in a straw hat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the joke's on Abe, because bitcoin is up really high right now. So Aaron is like, abe and I went to Tulum, Mexico, because that's what Bravo people do in between seasons. And we went there, though, about 12 years ago, and our house manager came over with these nondescript bottles of Mezcal. Hold on. Just. I want everyone to just imagine what this concept of Mezcal is. Yeah. And he started telling us about the history of Mezcal. And he said, it's basically tequila. Tequila is the poor man's drink, and Mezcal is what we Mexicans drink. And I was like, wait, I am Mexican because I rented a house, so I should drink this too.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I was like, somebody needs to bring this to America. Somebody please bring Mezcal to America. Wow. Someone. I read a comment today that was like, wow, this is giving Christopher Columbus.

[Ronnie Karam]

She. I love what I discovered. I love the idea of Aaron 12 years ago, feeling like she's just discovered Mezcal and it needs to be brought to America when it was like, it's been in America for quite a long time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait a second. Mezcal.

[Ben Mandelker]

We discovered it. We brought it to America. Fucking crazy lady.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone needs to bring this to America. Or you could just read the menu at the bar that you're at. Oh, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's calling her business Mezcalum, because you know what? She not only invented Mezcal, she invented the term homegirl. You know, thank God.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's right. That's right. So she's like, well, so we. We started a new business called Mezcalum, and since then, we've launched in over 800 accounts. We even got approved by MetLife Stadium to be their only Mezcal. I can't believe how well it's done. So then she says that they're going to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration. She goes, which I know is an American holiday mainly celebrated by white people, invented by white people for white people. I get that. That being said, we're still going to do it. We just want to celebrate it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Problematic ass. Aaron. Have a problematic ass brand celebrated on a problematic ass holiday. And let's just see how she's going to dress. I'm like, please wear a poncho and a sombrero, because you just fucking know it's coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

America needs sombreros. That's what I discovered. I need to bring this to America. People don't know about sombreros.

[Ben Mandelker]

Abe and I were in Mezc. We were in Mezcalum once, and we were like, God, it's like, cold. I wish I had a jacket, but without arms, because my arms are fine. Then we came up with ponchos, and we brought them to America.

[Ronnie Karam]

We were in Mexico once, 12 years ago, and we saw a Mexican, and they had like. Like a. We thought it was like a piece of paper, but it's something called a tortilla. And we're like, we need to bring this to America.

[Ben Mandelker]

Edible round paper. So we did it. Now people are eating burritos out of my real estate note. It's insane.

[Ronnie Karam]

So much needs to be discovered. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're gonna build the wall for us. This is gonna be built just to keep Aaron out from stealing their. You know, like, you did not bring us our tostadas back, Aaron. She's just flying away in a private plane full of tostada. Tostadas to America.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then there's. Abe is saying he had fun at Justin's birthday party, and he's like. He's like, yeah, I was talking to Jenna, by the way, and I was saying that you guys should talk. She. Well, we did talk, and now she's been texting me almost every day. And she basically says that, like, it was really sweet that Abe, you know, spoke to Jenna, you know, but, like, you know, just shows that he's going out of his way to be there for me and just shows how much he loves me, and it's very touching for me. Hey, babe.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just bought a new apartment. You did? What side of town is it on? Oh, it's. It's online. It's just. It's in the metaverse. Hey, wait a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they have tortillas, okay, over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cashing in. More bitcoin buying people.

[Ronnie Karam]

We need. We need to bring Mezcal to Second Life.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, well, I mean, it's gonna take more time. I was less reactive than normal, I guess. Yeah, you are becoming less reactive. She goes, yeah. He goes, well, I mean, you still are reactive sometimes. Yes. Maybe with you. Like, she's becoming less reactive with everybody else, but she's still using abuser, whipping post. You know, God bless marriage. Sometimes I watch these shows, and I'm like, why aren't I married? This looks amazing. If I just had someone like Abe, I could waffle bat around. Wiffle bat. What is it? A waffle bat.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love the idea of a waffle bat, though. I do, too. Like a bat made of waffle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

That you use on waffles.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it would be. Oh, you're right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's bat made of waffle.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it would be a bat made out of waffle, because then you'd hit a ball, right? Because wiffle bat, you hit a wiffle ball. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wiffle is, like, the genre. It's the style. So I think waffle would be this waffle bat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so now Jaisal's walking down the street with her mother, and they're gonna go get manicures and everything. So they walk into the salon, they sit down for nails.

[Ben Mandelker]

Big day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Big day. Big day. I don't remember why, but it's a big day. Oh, yeah, nails. We already had a nail scene. Yeah, that's a theme. So Jaisal saying, like, every time Mama Tank lands in jfk, it's like the weight has been lifted off my shoulder. She comes to your house, and she just gets done. She was like Mary Poppins. Also, I finally have someone else I can speak to who's not an imbecile. Pit.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go sit down, and, you know, Jess's just so open about using her mom. I love it. Like, there's a weight lifted off my shoulder. Literally. She takes both POV and the children I don't have to do. So they start. She's like, oh, yeah, why are you whispering, Mother? She goes, you shouldn't be talking so loud. It's my new rule. And she's like. Now you're, like, whispering. What is that whispering? Can you believe it, everyone? What an idiot. And she's like, well, because you're just like, mom, you're so loud. So they laugh, and she's like, who is this alien inside my mother anyway? I told you, I have all of these eggs frozen in Beverly Hills. Like, oh, God, please. Did I really fly back here to listen to this tripe for another year? You don't want a baby. Your husband doesn't want a baby. Do something besides pretending that you want to have a baby for television. Please. I'm exhausted.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your current babies are maniacs, okay? You are in baby jail until you can get them tamed, get them the rabies shots that they so desperately need, and then we can talk about ivf. Your current babies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Call the checkout lady at the grocery store.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mummy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think now's the time to add another to the package.

[Ronnie Karam]

I watched. I watched Jurassic park the other day, and the velociraptor saw, apparently watched Roni and said, whoa, those babies need to chill out. True story, Mother. That's not possibly true. That's a fictional dinosaur from a movie, and characters from movies don't watch characters from reality tv. No, it happened. I'm pretty sure it happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

The adorable. The adorable dinosaur that ate Newman was a more attentive mother than you. At least he finished the job. Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

T. Rex called and said, your babies need to get it together. That's it? That was all? The whole conversation?

[Ben Mandelker]

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Equivalent to $15 a month. New customers on first 3 month plan only speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees and restrictions apply. See Mint Mobile for details. I have seen no proof that Jaisal likes being a mother at all. And I know this show isn't about the babies and stuff, but I've heard her talking about it. But all I kind of see is an offloading of the children, which. Listen, you know that I stand for that. If I was running for president, I'd like, ignore your children. We all know that. But I don't. I don't know. I don't see a lot except her escaping.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And getting white couches. Like someone who doesn't even have a child. So I'm not really sure what's going on over there, but I'm not buying this. All I want a baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she just. I think maybe she just has like some cost fallacy because she's like, look, I paid for these embryos. So, like, it just feels like a bad value, you know, I'm not wasting It.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you know how many starving children they're all over the world that would. Would love to have babies at White Couches right now? She's like, I'm not wasting those babies. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe it's a good thing, you know? I just feel like she's just gonna make her mom do everything anyway, so just, I don't know, find another hobby. Adding children to the world isn't. Isn't a hobby.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's so liberating to be able. For some of us, it is a hobby. It's so liberating to be able to actually openly speak about ivf, because now I can include my mother in all the planning. Plus, she doesn't have aioli dangling from her lip, like poverty. I feel like she'll be a good partner in crime to get me through it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, well, it's a lot of work. She goes, oh, thank you, Mother, for telling me that. I didn't know. I meant for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, I mean, come on, Jess. I'm traveling with you. And I go, oh, my God. Honestly, Literally the worst children have ever seen in my life, and you want to add a third one to it? I've really thought this through. I'm an old lady, and honestly, even if I were a young lady, I'd be like, no, no, no. You know, this is like Exorcist real life. Okay? So let's really think this through, my sweet daughter.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jessel's like, well, it is a circus, Mother, but, you know, circuses bring in a lot of money, you know? And she's like, but isn't it stressful? And she's like, yeah, well, we just get a nanny. Oh, well, another nanny and an additional nanny. Just get a team of nannies, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then the mom is like, well, it would be lovely to have a little girl. And Jess was like, oh, so now you're on board. My goodness. Now we just have to convince Vince Puffett. Well, why don't you name it, Carol? Because he apparently likes Carol's buns. Oh, Mother, that was saucy of you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So just tell him you want to put a bun in the oven. He'll be in. You just need to work on your phrasing. So now we have a flashback of Jaisal speaking with Pavit about it and just over and over again and him saying no. Pretty much. Except he doesn't really say no. And I think that that's the thing. He just needs to say no. I don't want a kid. Because, I mean, we all know he doesn't. I feel like he said no, but I don't know, it feels like he should just say no. But don't you want one? No. I mean, I think you should both want one, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think he does not want a kid, but I think he also really likes with Jaisal. I think he likes making her exasperated. And that's like his favorite thing in the world because that's really what all he does the entire episode. So he's like, we'll see, see, we'll see, we'll see. Oh, my God. If you say we'll see one more time, we'll see. So she basically is like, yeah, we need to go to a therapist because we need to figure out how to communicate. And the mom's like, oh, oh, therapy. Well, if I knew it, it's coming down to that, then have all the kids you want. Just don't go into therapy. And Jessel says that basically, like her parents attitude towards therapy is really bad. Like, it's like it's a waste of money. And she says, Indians don't like therapists. They. But they love an astrologer. And I don't understand. You pay money to go see an astrologer who's going to read the stars and tell you some hocus pocus about your life, but you're not going to see a therapist.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then basically she's like, well, you can help. And she goes, oh, what, you want me to teach him how to communicate? Well, I've done the stomping and I've done the threats and it doesn't work. And she's talking about how POV makes everything into a joke, which is really annoying, which I can get. You know, that's not. They don't seem to have the best communication style. But she doesn't really have the best communication style either because he clearly doesn't want a child. And she's just. So now what she does is she's just going to ask him every single time there's a camera on. But yeah, it doesn't work. He does not care. He literally does not care about anything but the chicken wing in front of him. So I don't really know what you're supposed to do, but I would suggest not having another baby with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I agree. So basically she tells her mom to babysit tonight because they're going to go try out a new restaurant. And she's like, I'm gonna go have a nice dinner with Poppet. And I'm gonna drop some bombs on him. So now we have Raquel going to a restaurant with uba. And then psy. And they all sit down, they all look fabulous. They all. They're all like, oh, my God, you look fabulous. And they order some food, and every day, everything and size, like, oh, my. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait one second.

[Ben Mandelker]

Uber.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I went this place yesterday, and I got this for you. And it's like a. It's a book that says pigeon watch. And, you know, because, you know, you could do some pigeon watching, just, you know, you know, pigeons, because, you know, pigeons. Remember pigeons. You remember how pigeons are. You think it was a book about pigeons?

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought it was funny that Uba's wearing this, like, booby showing shirt. And Raquel says, wow, I just got a sneak peek of what you've got on. Wow. She goes, I heard it's vegan, so I brought the meats.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's gonna be your tagline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Denied it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, we've got pigeon, you know, pigeon books and stuff. And it was like, this is actually hilarious. The funniest gift ever. I'm sure there's a chapter of everybody there. Some people have longer pages than others, but even me, too. I might be pigeon in that book. So then they start talking about the party and just how great it was. And then Sy's like, wow, look what just happened to come out right now while we were sitting here. U. S Weekly headline. Rony's Jen alliance is definitely ready to marry Cass Bird. And she tells everybody, wearing a giant, unexplainable headband that nobody really understands. She says, there's a giant ring on my finger.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jenna is wondering why her cat mysteriously has, like, broken bones. You're literally marrying someone named Bird, the mortal enemy of cats, or cats of the mortal enemy. The bird is striking back. That's what's happening.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Molly is accusing Jenna of abusing that cat, and you're accusing Casper. That's just funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm saying. I'm saying Mary Casper.

[Ben Mandelker]

First. Ben is accusing Casper of being an animal abuser.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think Mary, I. I think, like, her name is not Mary. Her name is Cass Casper. It just looks like it says Mary Casper. It'd be kind of funny if her name was Mary Casper. Sounds like Mary killed. Anyway, Mary Casper, she's ready to marry Casper. Anyway, the point is this. I do think that Casper attacked that cat. Yes. I will go on if I can say that. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

At the very least, Casper tricked that cat into falling out a window. You know, did something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Casper may have indeed not liked the book that the. That guy had written. Like, it all fits together now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see size. Like, I'm confused. Like, one minute, she's like, oh, I got the ring on my finger. Why is everyone asking if I'm engaged and saying congratulations? And then we see a flashback of this not at all happening when they're saying, yeah, I see your ring, and size says the promise ring. And Rebecca says, wait, it's called a promise ring, not an engagement ring. And Jenna said, no, it's an engagement ring. I just. We have kids, and we're just trying to be low profile about it. Okay, so she did call it an engagement ring, and she told you why she's being hugged. Hush about it. But the confusion is still fun, I guess.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I don't understand why Sai is either confused or, like, why is. Why is she even bothered by this?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they want to come for. They want to come for Jenna, but they just can't. Jenna does. Jenna. Jenna's not comforable at this point. She's just not. She's not comfortable either, but she's definitely not comfort comfortable.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So uba's like, oh, Castle's married before also. Yeah. And maybe that's why they're taking it a little slow, because it's not the first time for both of them. So I said, oh, it's the second time around. And Raquel's like, yeah, well, I think she's probably like me. You know, I tried to. You know, I tried to keep it on the low. And they're like, yeah, why, by the way? Why have you kept your engagement quiet for so long? She's. Oh, well, you know, my ex and I, we broke up in October of 2020, and, like, no one knew, and we kept it quiet for a long time because our business was so entwined with our personal relationship. And when I left, my husband was like, the first. Was like, the first relationship with woman after I left my husband. And so, like, people were enamored with our entire story. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna save this. I'm gonna say, because this is a full page of Raquel monologue, like, the. The notetaker actually had to split it up into one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. You're right. It is a full page.

[Ben Mandelker]

Seven segments of her talking so we wouldn't get confused. But basically, she says her ex is an artist, and she's like, the work you see of me at the Whitney. Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Nice, humble brag. I loved when she said that, you know, when you see me and I'm at the Whitney Biennial, you know that famous painting of me, right? You guys have seen it. I think we've all seen it, right? Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I was the final. That's the final product. But I wasn't just the model. I controlled the hair and the makeup and look and the. Everything in those paintings. So we're basically partners in a business. And part of their business is looking like they're in love and they're a couple, because people are buying a couple's work. So when they broke up up, they kept it secret. So I'm like, that's an odd thing to break up at because that's just being completely inauthentic and still selling art for tens of thousands of dollars under false pretenses, which I don't know. I don't like that. And then she's. Then she started dating a woman and all of that. So that they kept it a secret for so long that by the time they did start seeing Raquel out with Mel, that it looked like Mel was a wife stealer and that they had ruined this poor, innocent artist's life and they made him the victim of everything and basically slut shamed Mel because the husband is the successful rich one in the relationship, as he's the one that everybody needs. And so everybody decided if they're going to have to choose, they're going to slut shame Raquel and kiss the husband's ass so that there were trolls coming for them, you know, and like you said, I mean, I'd love to see a good art troll. I'd love to see just some good old confusing splatter on my car that you have to, like, sit for a moment and think deeply to decipher. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I just, I just don't know the people who are on like, like, art, art world, Reddit, you know, being like, I heard that she has a girlfriend. Like, I just don't know. Like, it just doesn't seem to match. It's like exactly what you said earlier, which is that, like, this seems like it's part and parcel for the art world. You like, how many stories do we hear about this famous artist having this girlfriend and that girlfriend? And, you know, they live, they're artists, they live different, unconventional lives. They create their own rules. They live in a world of art. So the fact that there are people who like, act actively follow this gossip and then are like, trolling people involved in this, it just seems so. It seems so counterintuitive.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it does. But I guess, you know, it's the whole kissing his ass because he's the rich, powerful one that could stop them from working or getting sold in galleries. I mean, I don't know. That's kind of what she's making it sound like. But look, I like her. I don't think think this was told in it. Like we said, like, as far as, like the acting not going to give it a huge mark. But I do like her. I think she's a cool chick. And I do think it's impressive that she can make this sound like this huge victim story when basically like, yeah, I mean, you fell in love and left your husband. It's not. It's not that uncommon of a story. But she's like. And then the artist trolled me after all of my work creating a company. So I don't know. I like her. I think that she could possibly get. They could possibly get under her skin if given a couple of years and that she could unravel as a reality star. And I see her becoming more fun and delusional as time goes on because she does have some kind of healthy delusion in her. I see it in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, we'll put her on the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Very well. Yeah. But she's gonna take a while. And honestly, I don't know that the show has that long. You know what I mean? I don't know that we have a couple of years ago. Give her Kel. Although Bravo listens to nothing, so who knows? But I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

But yeah, I. I think she is an interesting person and I think she is an accomplished person and she seems like a cool person to know. I don't find her to be very fascinating on the. In the context of Roni at the moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

So is she missing Riz? Let's go over to BR at her apartment talking to the only person on earth that she knows, her brother. Her poor brother Bill, in international charges because Brent has to call him every five minutes about her petty ass. Little problems.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn't he staying with her? What happened to that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, he's just visiting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I thought he was staying with her for like a few months. So they facetime and she's talking about how she's like working on a new app. She's like, I'm the co founder and chief marketing officer of a new app. And it's like, it has to do with like relationships and dating and flirting. What happens when you get wet and I have developers in London and a team here in New York. It's fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the app is called Ritz. First we get to see her dog, who's so cute. And I love that her dog is just like her because her dog sees that she's on the phone with Darius or Darius, and she's the dog, like, turns away from the phone and it just whips its head back, like even with its tongue out, like. So she tells us about her app. Riz is what she said she co founded. So of course I went up here and she said, I think the way she's speaking, at least the way I'm remembering, it's a new app. I'm the co founder and chief marketing officer. Well, this isn't that new. I mean, it's been out over a year and it's called Riz and it says it was made with love by Joshua Miller and Roman Caves or Caves. So it doesn't list her as a. As a co creator or whatever, but it's Riz. Not only is it a dating app, it's a dating assistant. That's AI. Okay, so listen to this. Looking for a little help with your dating game? Riz has got you covered. Our AI powered app uses cutting edge GPT to generate personalized responses that are sure to. Shut up before I murder you. Shut up. I will kill you dead. I will murder you. I will murder your whole family. I will take you all out. Bueller, you're gonna have to leave this neighborhood. I'm gonna kill everybody you ever knew. Okay, all of you are gonna be dead. That's right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Could you say this to your dog? To your dog. That's animal abuse.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, just cast birded there, everybody. Riz gives you the edge you need to stand out from the crowd. Yeah, with fake fucking AI flirting. That's where we're at. That that's fitting because Bree's entire character is written by AI, so figure she would come out with an AI generated dialogue app. This is cray cray. I don't know if it's the same one, but it's a dating app called Riz. So there you go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's your update, everybody. You're welcome.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, she's like, yeah, I was so like, things were like bad when you laughed and like basically got like worst Darius. Like we went to the Hamptons and I tried to like sit down with sigh and like, I don't even know what the hell she's like talking about Dara. So she's like Pulling a strings. And then, like, next day, UBA was like, you, Bran, you're a snake. You're a snake. But I have, like, literally never been called a snake in my life, even though I love to wrangle them. Put that in the algorithm R. Everyone's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mad at me, and I have no idea what I did. I didn't do any money. Me. Well, this is an interesting take on having zero responsibility for anything going on in your life. It's actually kind of sad. I mean, at least be like, oh, God, these girls are so triggered because I did some stupid little thing. But just having no idea, Brin, really, why anybody's mad at you. If you can't stand the heat, stop turning on the ovens in the kitchen, ma'am. You're the one turning them all on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sound like it hot. So Brynn is like. It just feels really awkward. She talks about when she went to the party and, like, like J's party and felt like some people were, like, there, and some people were there, and she's like, it just feels, like, really awkward to be at a party where it' like, kind of like, hey, let's pretend you didn't just, like, tell me to go myself over breakfast bagels in my ham, down.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Darius is like, I think it's just difficult for you because, you know, it's just so many. Yeah. People that hate me for no reason. Is that what you're trying to say? People that should love me and then don't. I hate this stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he was like, well, maybe, like, try to be the bigger person, like. And, like, you know, I just hope you're open to actually being someone that, like, who you can rely on, and then they can have you to rely on, too. And she's like, I love my brother. Like, since we were three years old, he's been, like, so hot. And he's told me to be the better person, and I'm like, I'm a preschool mother. And still, like, he's, like, giving me the same advice. Sometimes I follow my brother's advice. However, Daris, you have no idea what I'm dealing with.

[Ben Mandelker]

She says she's gonna follow his advice, but she doesn't at all. And she doesn't even acknowledge that he just gave her advice. His advice is, you know, if you want to be. If you want people to be good friends, you should be a good friend to people. You should be that person that people are like, wow, that's a good friend. I'm going to be a good friend to that person, and she just completely disregards that, which is probably the best advice. Now, granted, it would probably kill housewives, but it's the best advice I think we've ever heard on this show or that I ever recall hearing. And she's just like, oh, well, usually it's aunts and uncles who are mean to me. And now she's pulling it back to her trauma instead of just listening to the advice, which is be a better person and people will be better to you. You know.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go to Jaisal and Pavit. Walking in Chinatown and Jaisal's like, oh, look, it says this is the first dim sum parlor. That's so cool. Right. I'm like, you're just trying to butter him up so you can ask him to go to therapy. Oh, wow. Soup dumpling. That's the coolest thing I ever seen. Now you'll go to therapy with me, right, Pavit?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go in and she's like, oh, wrong shoes, wrong shoes. Ow. Wrong shoes. So they, you know, she talks about how he's such a foodie and like, he can identify great food, but if you want a vibe, it's all about Jessel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like, what? Carol's bun was like a great spot, excellent ambiance. So they sit down and he like, wants to order everything and he's. And she's like, okay, well, what about vegetables? Oh, no, Skip, vegetables are filler. She's like, okay, so I guess I'm not going to get a vegetable. Just disgusting. I wish I were a vegetable right now so I wouldn't have to look at my husband's stupid face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Actually, I do feel quite like a vegetable because I'm the only thing in this restaurant that Puff is ignoring actively. So call me broccoli and let's get this done, shall we? So he's like, I. She says, I do love Catney style duck. And he's like, I prefer my ducks hanging in the window. Okay, nerd.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So she's so appalled that she made this life choice. She's like, I can't believe I married this idiot. I literally have the clown faced woman from Vogue coming over to the apartment and he wants ducks hanging in a window. So, so they order all sorts of food because he's like, I have a second stomach. And. And so the server's like, okay, good luck. So they get all this stuff and then Jess is like, don't. Don't you feel a wave of relief when my parents are in town? He's like, yeah, it's really good. Oh, by the way, Mother's Day is on Sunday. I'm not gonna get you a gift. What? What? But she's supposed to get me a gift. Okay, you'll get a gift. She's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

But he won't. He will not. He will not get her gift. He doesn't believe in gifts. He didn't get her a Valentine's. And she goes off on that again. This is a very, very bad look to not and not look. It's just a very bad thing to put up with in a marriage. I mean, that's terrible. Like, you have to beg. One of my friends is divorcing and I Think it all started with this. The no gifts and just not getting it was like, well, I don't think gifts are important. And then that just translated into literally everything else. You know, it's just not good. It's not a good sign. And I like Jessica Jessel and Povert, but yikes, this is not good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yep, yep. So Jaisal's like, so then poppet comes out, Then the food comes out, and he's like, taking all sorts of photos. And. And she's like, well, I always question where I'm on the totem pole. Priorities. And if I were a pork bun, I would get everything I wanted. He's like, that's actually 100% correct. I really wish I'd married a pork bun.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, oh, why did you put that whole thing in your mouth? He goes, why do you ask dumb questions? My God, this so romantic. Can't wait for you guys to bring a baby into the world. So she's. He chokes on it. She's like, told you so. Dumplings are one biters. So now she's talking about her meeting with Tasha, the IVF coach. And Tasha's like. Because Jess was like, I'm getting teary. Look at me. Getting teary about how I'd like a baby. And she goes, oh, my God. If you're getting teary, that means you really want it and you should do it. Get out of here. IVF saleswoman looks like the lady trying to sell a car. So you like how it rides by? It's only 6% interest for the rest of your goddamn lives. Just.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think the decision to have another baby is not just one person. Pa. That. He goes, well, the decision's already made. There's no baby baby. She's like, no. Well. Oh, my God. You stress me out, dude. We would be making a big mistake if we didn't do it. He's like, why is it a big mistake? By the way, I really love these noodles. Can we have these noodles as our baby? Okay, how about this? We'll put a little bow on these noodles. And this is our new baby. Well, it is better behaved. No, no, no. I want human baby. Human baby puppet.

[Ben Mandelker]

The only way I'm gonna have another baby is if I get pregnant again. Fine, you can get pregnant with noodles. Then I'm gonna have a noodle baby. Puppets.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, but we have so many embryos, and a lot of people who want to have a girl, you know, they can't. They can't guarantee them having a girl, but we can have a girl pop it. And that's why we should do. Am I interrupting your chicken moment? And he's like, oh, my God, it's hot chicken. Let me take a photo of it. I need a photo of this hot chicken, babe.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, yes, you are interrupting the chicken moment. You know, I'm about to lose my. I think we probably should see a professional therapist to help us figure this out. I think you and I and our communication could use a little bit. He's like, especially you. It's not especially you. I'm like, I like Poet saying that Jess needs to work on our communication when he's the one actively with three pork buns in his mouth choking at the same time. He's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but I don't think they need therapy over this either. She wants a baby. He does not want a baby. So either you're going to tell him you have to, or I'm leaving you or, okay, we should both want a baby. So we. We shouldn't have a baby. But this whole, like, you know what? You're not giving me the answer I want. So we should go to a therapist. He's just going to tell the therapist. You don't. He doesn't want it either. So just tell him he's either going to have to do it. You guys need to come to a decision. I don't know that this is a therapy decision. Now. The communicator, he's got probably. I mean, that's probably you. You need a therapist. But I think on this actual thing, it's like, he's pretty obviously doesn't want a kid. I mean, what can you do?

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like, like, he's like, how many times have I told you something? And then you asked me a question and I said, I told you that five minutes ago. And you said, oh, I wasn't listening to you, but sometimes I block you out. I'm sorry if I don't want Carol's bun sprayed in my face with everything you say. He goes, see? Exactly. You don't listen. So she goes, I truly believe a therapist would help him sort of understand his emotions, or at least to know to swallow first before you start speaking.

[Ben Mandelker]

His emotions are that he doesn't want to be me. That's it. And she's like, communication is key in marriage. And I just don't understand what he's trying to say. My God, you guys. So she does want to go there for communication, and I Think that's good? They should, because this is, this is pretty bad. Like the baby thing, but also just the general no gifts on the birthday and the unattentive thing and that. Like, I get that they're best friends, but there becomes, you know, you also have to be each other's lovers and spouse. You can't only have the best snarky.

[Ronnie Karam]

Friend going on, but also like, if you're not going to do the doting things that she needs like giving gifts, etc, etc, you're going to lose the ability to have any sort of veto power about a baby. I'm sorry. It's like you don't get to like deny the baby and then you also just like don't tend to your wife. Like, you need to, like, you need to pull up on some part of this relationship here.

[Ben Mandelker]

He won't give her a tennis bracelet. You think he's going to give her a human being?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and she's probably doing the thing where she's like, it's okay if he doesn't give me these things because I'm going to make the big, I'm doing the big ask. I'm saving up for the big guess, which is the baby. And he's still going to say no to it. Even though she seems to be the one who's like the, like, you know, she's, she's the one doing all the work in this relationship. I mean, she's the one who got him to get to start looking. Right. And she's bringing in the money and everything. Let her have a baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I don't know. I think two people should want to have a baby, you know, But I also get that it's super sad when you want one and then, you know, your partner doesn't. I don't know really how you remedy that, but I don't think any baby should be brought into the world if they're, you know, no one wants.

[Ronnie Karam]

I agree that like parents don't want it, both parents should want it. But at this point I'm not sure he even wanted the first two. So I mean, might as well, like as long as she's got the nannies, might as well just bring them on in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? So I mean, listen, it adds more to the economy, right? Paying for more.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, it's very rare that I take a pro.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a positive to everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not taking a pro baby stance. What I'm taking is a pro Jessel stance. And I'm right now I want Jessel to get her Way over POV in this instance. Because I think Pav's being a dick.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think Pav's kind of being a dick, too. So then we go to. She's like, you know, everything's a joke to you. You're like a leprechaun. You know, you have no sense of reality. And he's like, I live in a fried chicken reality. Which probably isn't the best answer. And so she's like, do you want to speak to someone? And he goes, how much does it cost? And she's like, I don't know. Anywhere between 300 to 500 now is basically half of a baby storage or months.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, no way. I got a guy for it. I'll find someone cheaper than that. I'm like, I don't think Carol does therapy with her buns. And he's like. And she's like, where do you expect us to do therapy? Carol's buns bench. Speaking of. And he's like, well, there's a psych. Meet us there then. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, Dr. Po won't give me birthday gifts, and he's denying me a child. And Carol's just like, steam it. You can't just tell me to steam it. Steam it. It solves everything. I won't steam p it. Steam it. Steam it. Or get out.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jell's like, you're missing the point. I think we should give it a shot. You know, you always have to. You sort of always gravitate towards. Oh, it's a bad thing. It's actually not. A lot of people do therapy. Like Jenna and Cass do therapy, and Tom Cruise, I'm sure, does some sort of therapy. And. And then we have a flashback to a week earlier with Jessel. And Jenna's telling Jai that she and Kelly has do therapy all the time because they want to avoid problems. So Jell's like, yes. And my assistant just got married and she's already in therapy. I mean, I think therapy could help. A lot of people just organize thoughts, you know, you're not even listening. You're stuffing more noodles into your face, aren't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I put it on my list. So she's really frustrated because he brushes everything under the rug. And then he's like, fine, I'll arrange it. She's like, but you're not going to. I'll do it. He's like, no, I will. She. No, I will.

[Ronnie Karam]

He.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, fine, I got it. Just let me get it. Which, you know, means they're going to go to that Chamber of commerce for food or whatever. The. The. What is he the president of, like, the Fried Chicken New York Fried Chicken Association?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's like the street food society. We call it the Fried Chicken Society, but, like, I think it was like the Street Food Society of New York City or something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's going to be like, well, they came back with the judgment, and it's official. 9 out of 10 fried chicken people say, give them funnel cakes. Have lots of funnel cakes.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna meet in the middle. Okay, baby? No funnel cake. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And here. If we need to compromise any further, we'll throw on some warm nuts.

[Ronnie Karam]

How's that, Jess? Like, you know what? Sometimes you just have to give what life takes you or take what life gives you. The final cake shall be in my New Child. And she just tries. Spends the rest of her rony time just trying to get a funnel cake into an elite private school. She puts a little beret on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tom Cruise is still old enough to enjoy funnel cake.

[Ronnie Karam]

I swear, it can do math. I know it's a funnel cake, but it can do math.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Raquel and Mel. Raquel Mal Rau, as we call them, as the kids are calling them Raquel. Walking down the street, and they're on a way to a gallery, and they're walking through, and she knows the. She's like, oh, I'm not familiar with this artist. And we meet the curator, and she's like, oh, the. The artist is queer and interdisciplinary. And Raquel's like, wow, the New York City art world is so insular. Oh, I love her whole play on cornrows with corn. Because there's corn. The. The art is like corn stalks, but then cornrows, those, like, braids growing out of the corn. It's very on the nose, if you will.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it's also very queer and insular. So who am I to say, you know what I'm saying? That is some insular queerness right there. And I'm all for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's. It's very arts. Art scene. And so they're looking at all this stuff. Then they meet some artists and everything. And then they, you know, because they are at a. An art show, it's now time to sit down and have some snacks. So they are like, the real. The real highlight of this is not that they got to see some new artists. It's that they got to have wasabi peas. So they sit down and Ricard's like, oh, my God, wasabi peas. So Mel, what do you think about Jessel's birthday? It was like your second time with everyone. And Mel's like, I know. I got to talk to Abe the babe. Oh, yeah. How was he? He was being a babe. He was so nice. He's trying to help us plan the engagement party. I was like, oh, wow, this would be a great scene. Can't wait. Can we just see this high energy scene between Raquel and Mel?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Mikhail's like, yeah. I was like, you're a lesbian event planner. You're basically, you're. You're hired. Abe the babe. I said, abe the babe. And Raquel's like, oh, my God, this is like the first art fair we've ever. That we've been together in New York, right? She goes, yeah, it's nice to get. Be able to go out when artists aren't like, you know, splattering us or calling us vagina flowers. You know, rude art jokes. Remember that time someone was like, oh my God, you're like a Campbell soup can. You're over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get out of here. Yeah. And so basically. And then there's about this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know nothing about the art world. I'm like, I'm completely out of things now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, Basquiat. More like basky slut. So Raquel, they start talking again about their scandalous this. The scandalous foundations of their relationship. And Raquel's like, yeah, a reporter found out about a breakup and Mel got caught in the crosshairs. And then we see an article that was like, art Power couple breaks up. I was like, who? Please tell me that, like, Chantal from Gallery Girls wrote this, because I just love think that's what. The entire time I was just imagining that cast following this news and gossiping.

[Ben Mandelker]

With each other about it, sipping on only Oregon wine. And we're talking about how they're portraying Mel as a homewrecker and people are being mean to Mel and, you know, it's great. But I already saw this scene like a second.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mel's like, hey, by the way, I'm so glad we made it through that scandal. Thanks for elevating it to a national audience. I really am so glad that we finally got through that. And now I'm. You've just reminded the world that I'm a homewreck. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks for giving the Internet more, chum. Sounds great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, so now they're talking about announcing their engagement. And Raquel's like, well, we're gonna have this party, and clearly I'm gonna post about it. And, I mean, you're gonna. You're excited about announcing it, right? And she's like, yeah, but what about your mom? And she goes. And so then we find about her mom, and her mom is not supportive. Her mom was supportive of the first engagement and marriage to the man, but then she wasn't really supportive of her previous relationship with her ex. I guess once they were married, like, she stopped liking that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Raquel. Raquel really up. She really upped the stakes on this cast because this cast, like, most of the people in this cast, have an issue with their. Like, one of their parents. And she's like, guess what? Last week, you thought I had an issue with my dad and only my dad, but guess what? I have an issue with my mom, too. So her. Basically, her mom, they're not really talking. They talk, but, like, her mom does not support the lesbian relationship. Their relationship is strange. She doesn't come visit anymore. So now this is, like, part two. And it sucks, by the way. It sucks. And by the way, Mother, Raquel, Mother, get it together. This is your daughter, okay? Get with it. It's the 21st century.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then, you know, they're talking about how awkward it is and how she would love to see her mother, and she is going to invite her mother, but she does. She's not so hopeful about it, you know, and she's like, well, would she show up for her daughter's wedding? I mean, I don't know. Maybe she wouldn't, you know, which is. I'll have to deal with that when I get to that. And so, you know, this is all very sad. I mean, I think all the. It's. It's rough. It's. It's a rough road with most of the parental stories on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So either way, she's gonna. I guess she's gonna try to work on. On mending that relationship now. So now Aaron and Abe walk into their Cinco de Mayo party to introduce New York to this cool new beverage called mezcal. And so Aaron's.

[Ben Mandelker]

They brought it. And Aaron is literally dressed like the dancing lady emoji on the. I just can't, like, really. The lady in the salsa dress snapping. I'm like, aaron, really? Come on, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everyone is, like, showing up and saying, hi, UBA is there. And uba, like, I look like a bank teller. Like, will that be all? And just like, she doesn't at all, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't really know where that's Coming from.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know what bank she goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

To, but not really sure where that comes from. There's a lot of small talk. Aaron's like, wow, we're over. We're over capacity by, like, 100 people. Speaking of things that were not over capacity by a hundred people. Just's party was kind of fun, I guess. I mean, she didn't, like, bring anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

To America, but yeah, it's like, also, it's like, enough of us being separate. We need to, like, all try to come together. Aaron, you were the one being separate at that party. You were the one who hold yourself up in the corner being like, I don't even want to talk to Jenna. I'm gonna be.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're also the one turning everybody against each other. You. Which you're currently doing in this episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You're the chief separatists. So society's like, what do you mean being separate? And everyone's like, no jazz party. It was like supper. And u was like, well, I was going to say hi to everyone and Jessel. And then the minute I walked in, you know, like, Jessa comes up to me and is like, so how do you. How are you and Brin? Is everything okay? Like, everyone's, like, up in our face. So now UBA's like, mad that people are like, oh, my God, are you in Bryn? Okay. Even though, like, the last thing we saw was UBA being mad at Brandon, now she's like, why is everyone trying to start the thing between us?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but obviously they. Obviously Bren has said something behind her back because they left that, like, I guess. Yes. I don't know. Everyone's just coming to her with drama. She's like, what the hell? Why is everyone coming to me with this? So then Erica's like, oh, Or Erica. Aaron's like, oh, yeah, she went off when we were shopping, and she just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wants to bring people together. By the way, this person was talking about you literally two seconds after she.

[Ben Mandelker]

Said, why are we all so separate? By the way, Bren still hates you. And she's like, yeah, she was on one, and she was just really pissed. And so we cut back to the flashback of Bryn saying, like, yeah, size. Genuinely a miserable person. She's a miserable troll that lives under the Brooklyn Bridge. And Uba's been crazy. I'm sick of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's just. She's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then s like, well, I'm confused. I don't know why she's mad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, I don't know. And Then UBA tells us a ding dong, ding dong along hello, pigeon. She's, you know, these pigeons, they go out and they have conversation. I'm like, well, okay, it's one thing to be a carrier pigeon, but there's no such thing as, like, socializing pigeon. Like, that's like, not a pigeon thing to do. So Aaron's like, don't call me a pigeon. I'm a mess unless it's for Mezcal, because I brought it here to America. You're welcome, United States.

[Ben Mandelker]

And yeah, I think that pigeons are social. I mean, I get what she's saying. Like, pigeons taking. Just taking news to each other. Isn't that what she's saying?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think that's what she's saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's basically like, you and Jessel have this useful information that we don't have. So now you're coming back to us asking how we're doing. And I'm dumbfounded by that. So I was like, if she's mad at me, she can talk to me. I kind of like that they don't fall for this. And they're just like, whatever, Aaron, if she's so upset and you know, like, how many episodes you're gonna start a fight? You know, they're. They've. They're onto it now, basically.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Raquel and Mel come in and they walk. They walk in and say hi and everything. And then Brynn walks in and she's like, I'm walking into this party with an open heart, but I feel guarded. So if someone's like, let's make up or let's go talk, I'm literally so scared because it, like, keeps going so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well. I hope there's a lot of guys here ready to invest in Brin's ip. Ding, ding. And then Aaron goes to hug. Aaron hugs Dorothy, her mom. And so she's like, oh, my God, it means so much to have my mom here. You know, she talks about her mom going through chemo and stuff, and she loves seeing her mom happy. And then her dad comes in and br like, oh, hey, Danny, you are a solo turtle right now. You're like, turtle in sunshine. Sexy stuff. Sorry, I got that off my app, Riz. I hope it made sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then size talking about how she's so relieved that there's good food at this. There's food at this event. And. And then she's like, I mean, she's serving food and drinks, and I don't think anything sponsored, just her alcohol. And so they're all just like, continuing to talk and to chat and everything. And Brandon talking to again, talking to Eli, Aaron's dad, I'm looking for your daddy. And he's like, yeah, I'm looking for her too. And she's like. And then sigh is like, hi, Bran. Hi, Aaron's papa. And she's like. And so he says hi, but Brynn doesn't. So they're like, bryn didn't say hi back, John.

[Ben Mandelker]

John. So then she just stands talking, like, flirting with the dad really heavily right in front of the girls just to trigger that them. So that someone will say she's a gold digger and. Or a sugar baby. And then she can cry about it later because that's friends. That's what Brent does. She's like, you know what? I'm gonna upset everybody. And then when they get mad, I'm gonna cry about it. I'm not approaching the table. I'm gonna keep my distance. Who was it, Einstein that said repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? It's really sexy, actually. God, I loved his hair. Come here, Daddy.

[Ronnie Karam]

E equals MC Horny.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then, now Bryn's just making, like, small talk, like, what happened to your girlfriend? She went back to la. You don't want to go back to la. You don't like to be in bed all day. He goes, no, I hate la. Nine o'clock, everybody's bed. She goes, oh, you don't like to be in bed all day, Daddy? And he's like, with you like to be a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Since size. Like, I don't know why Brynn's being weird. She told. She walks by our table smooths with Aaron's daddy. And then she gets upset that there are all these chicken daddy stories. I mean, if it walks like a duck, if it talks like a duck, it might be a sugar baby. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. Probably banging Brin's dad. What? Their buns is dead. Aaron's dad. So then Jenna comes. Comes in and she. She. She's passing like a guy standing outside in a suit. She just goes, oh, cute. And he just kind of looks at her like, what the.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I know where your cat lives. Be quiet, lady. So Jenna's like, she comes in and she goes, oh, my God, Aaron, that was the lamest hug I've ever gotten. Okay, we're not doing this. Give me a proper hug. She's like, jenna, why are you tilting your head and winking at me? And why do I actually feel warmer? Looking into your eyes as you wink at me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why are you licking my forehead? Please stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't want a fancy feast, but thank you for the offer, I guess.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then she tells the girls, where's Bran? And they point. And Bryn is still flirting with the dad. And so Eli's like, I'm going to use the bathroom. Don't lose me. And she's like, lose you? Does that mean I won you? And Aaron's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Aaron's like, speaking to some guest. She's like, yeah, it's called mezcal. It's much better for you because it's 100% pure agave. Wait, hold on one second. There's a laser pointer. I've got to go. Chase cut to, like, Jet alliance moving a laser pointer.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, whoa, Sorry, I was trying to. I couldn't decide. Laser freezer or carrot stick, But I don't want to drink. I don't want to drink. Please. Anything non alcoholic would be great. Hold on, I'm just gonna. Quick. Aaron, Jenna, please don't pee right there. I'm just scratching. I'm just seeing out. Just. Just making sure that I know where to go when it's time to go. Please don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rebecca Minkoff enters. She's like, hey, girls, sorry I'm late. I just got some new sheets for my virginity bed. What's going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, girls. I just breastfed a teenager and chased down a woman who was trying to leave the church and had her locked up. And then I squirted blood out of my vagina into a cup. So how's everything going over here?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, I've just been collecting my mucus in a thimble and it's just been much more difficult than I thought it would be. What's going on? So then Pav is. Oh. Then Jessel and Pav walk up and Jess, like, well, there's probably not going to be any food. So if you're looking for fried chicken or some noodle or a pork bun, you're gonna have to figure that one out. He's like, it's all right, I'll order a burrito. She's like, disgusting. So. And then what if I just leave him at the party? Never come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Aaron's mom says hi to everybody and, you know, everybody's, you know, complimenting each other's clothes and, you know, because it's. The show is how we rolled for half an hour.

[Ronnie Karam]

Almost everyone is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jessel comes in and she's like, something smells. Is that you? Aaron, are you wearing your deodorant again? She's like, wait a minute, do I smell? It's just. Well, something does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Something does. And I decided it just has to be you. And then Mel's like, wait a second. Smell this. Smell this plate of onions. Oh, that's what it was. Sorry, Aryan, I apologize. I confuse your normal scent with a plate of onions. You can understand my mistake.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're smelling like taco toppings on purpose today. Is that what we're going for? Aaron's like, how dare you come into my party and then say, I smell. God. If you're coming here to complain, I'm getting out of here. And so then she does. She goes and talks to guests. She's like, mezcal is smoky and ours is really smooth, and I want women to drink mezcal.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's so empowering. You know, at this moment in our nation's history, thank God for Aaron getting women to drink mezcal. They're like, yeah, does mescal is. And why does the mescal smell like onions? Oh, sorry. That's apparently, my dear. So then the count. Then we're. Then there's like, taking photos in their booth and everything, and it's all fun. And then Brynn decides that she is like, she. She's like. She's sort of like the only one not with the group right now. And she's like, la. And I can't see it having beef or attention with people. And like, I don't know at this point if, like, sweeping it under the rug is sustainable. Do me on a rug. That's not sustainable.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, she's tried to get someone to come over and say, friend, what's wrong? Why are you talking to the group? But everyone's just blowing her off. So now she's like, okay, well, maybe that's not gonna work, so I guess I'll go talk to the group now. So then she's like, I mean, how much can you brush under the rag before it's filthy? You know, this is like really dirty. Like rags you don't want to get dirty because then there's like weird colors and then they're not healthy. It's not fun having a dirty rag. Am I feeling like this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is this what it feels like to be serious? So Uber. So then Uber's like, well, apparently Brin was talking lot of. Did you forget? Did Jessel. Jesse, you don't remember? Cuz J. Does his face like, what? What? She's. Oh, did you forget the Alzheimer's just kick in. Jess is like, no, she was. I was just reacting to the idea that Erin's deodorant smells so much like onions. So then Brynn goes up to the table now and says, like, okay, you know what, Brynn? We gotta figure this out. Because I'm, like, so confused. And Uber's like, yes, so who's gonna start the conversation here? Okay, come on, let's. Let's get this talking. And Uber's like, at Jess's party, they all noticed that you and I didn't talk. And then the minutes I walked into the party, Jessa grabs me and said, oh, my God, is everything okay with you and Breen? And I'm like, do I have a problem with Brin? And if Brin has a problem with then. Then Brin should come and talk to me. Like, fast forward, here I am. And like, what's going on, Breen?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's like, so. And Cy and I are sitting here, and, you know, then Aaron comes up, and she's like, well, Bryn was saying about you. And Br goes, yeah, that sounds about right. Aaron. And Aaron's like, oh, guys, it's really not that deep. Deep. My God. Yeah, it is. You just try to start another war at your own party. So next week you can be like, I can't believe they were fighting at my party.

[Ronnie Karam]

If it's not something, why are you going around telling people as soon as they walk in the room, that's kind of deep?

[Ben Mandelker]

So it was like, oh, okay, it's not deep. Then that's fine. Then we drop it. And so Uber drinks direct. Starts, like, swilling around the water bottle and then drinking out of it. And they're like, that's the table's water bottle. There's a glass right there. She goes. And Jessel says that. She's like, why are you drinking from the bottle? There's a glass. There is. Is my husband now contagious? Is that it? Did you have a burrito being delivered?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then, like, without even, like, a hesitation, Uber looks at Jessel and goes, you use a glass because you're a basic, and I'm not. I, like, let out the biggest. I was like, where did that come from? I love that that became the standard of, like, being a basic. You use the glass, but I'm gonna drink directly from the G. You're a basic who uses a glass?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you see what she does with a fork. You're just gonna be mortified. So she's like, it was my water at my table. And you're not my mom. You don't tell me what to do, you Basic. Because if you're not a basic, you will come and tell your friends when people are talking behind their back. Okay, so now you're mad that Aaron told you that they were talking behind your back, while at the same time being mad that Jessel didn't tell you that people were talking behind your back. Which lane are you in or drunk?

[Ronnie Karam]

You're a Basic. Oh, using a fault, you Basic. So Jess was like, can I just say I am anything but basic and size. Like, can I just say everything needs to be perfect? So j. Jenna's like, so uba. By the way, basic is somebody who has no style and no humor. And Uber's like, that's not true.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. And Jenna's like, oh, you know, Raquel, if I say someone is a basic, what is that? What's that? Stop licking yourself. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What does that mean to you? And she's like, I think basic is equated with, like, Karen. And Jenna's like, okay, Karen, then. And Jess was like, I'm a Karen now. I would really appreciate not to be called a Basic. And Aaron goes, wait, am I a basic to her? Okay, Aaron, Everyone's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Aaron is the most basic here.

[Ben Mandelker]

And.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I love that they are all struggling with this concept.

[Ben Mandelker]

None of them get what basic reads I love. It's not a Karen. A basic is not a Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not a Karen. Aaron's like, well, apparently I'm a Karen, and I smell. It's like, oh, my God. You wear deodorant. That's natural. So of course I'm gonna say that you smell.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the General's like, gentle. Jenna's like, jessel, you're mean for telling her that she smells. She goes, but she does sometimes. Sorry. I mean, no one wants to host a party smelling like a dirty sock onion, right? And Aaron's like, bran, I'm happy that you two are chilling, you know, meaning her inside. And so I was like, we're fine. We're fine. We talked in the Hamptons. I moved on, okay? I moved on. I really miss being friends almost as much as I miss Aaron's dad.

[Ronnie Karam]

So size like, you know, I don't trust her, and I'm disappointed that my friend is still talking about me, but I do want to have fun again. So back to the surface. We go swim, swim, swimming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Him.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Aaron's like, well, I guess everyone is good. Mescal brings people together. If Only we had brought Mezcal to America sooner.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then basically they're like, okay, well, it's another episode, or we're trying to have a fun fight, but it didn't work out. So let's just do everybody put the hands in the middle, and we'll make up. So they do that. And Jess was like, this is the dumbest thing we've ever done. And we went to E. Went to Aaron's engagement party last year. So then they're like, hey, wait a minute. Where'd Rebecca go? And Aaron says that she had to go to an accessory. An accessory award. And Bryn's like, I didn't know Nordstrom Rat gives that award. Okay, you're just gonna try that line until it's funny, and it still makes no sense. It's an honor to even be in the Rack, girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Other people's app.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rebecca Minkoff is literally so successful, and here you are trying to launch your Riz app, okay, Stealing some Gen Z terminology, and you're trying to get that launch. You should be so lucky to have Rebecca Minkoff on your side to promote it. Like, what is going on with her?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. So then Abe and Aaron give a speech, and it's, you know, an AB and Aaron speech. And BR's like, I'm gonna put my timer on for this one. Anaconda, just in case.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then, because we see a flashback of when they gave an endless speeches last time. And so Aaron's like, I just want to thank you. I want to thank everyone who's here. I'm, like, pinching myself that I got to be the American that got to introduce America to Mezcal.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a pioneer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then the business partner gets up and starts talking. And then everyone's like, like, wait a second. Is that the one that Aaron slept with With? So they're all, like, cracking up at.

[Ben Mandelker]

This, you know, especially because his speech is like, I'm the co. Founder and president, but I'm really just their marriage counselor. It's like, wow, so you were banging Aaron, and now you're kind of making fun of how much her marriage sucks in public.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, like, this is truly a family business.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The girls are cracking up. And BR's like, there's nothing. Oh, God, we. We forgot a Brin line in this. I'm sorry. It's probably my fault for glazing over it, but literally. But there was one point where she's like, I can't with these girls. It's like banging My head up against the wall. And I. And I literally sat on my couch. Or, like, banging your head on a headboard. Am I right? And she goes, I'd rather be banging my head on a headboard. You are officially AI. I can't with you. Okay? You are a generated answer from the Siri. Please.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just predictable. It's like, you see the jokes coming. You. Then you see it. She goes. She's, like, so happy with herself, much like I am half the time on this podcast. I won't lie. I'm like, I made a joke. But still. So she's like, yeah, they're not just, like, shares in that company. They are sharing a lot. He's taking stock of that ass, huh? So, yeah. So the Mezcal has officially been introduced to the US of A. Through Aaron, and the women are able to come together. See, who said this country was divided? Look at the way these women put their hands in the center of this table. There is hope for us. All.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right, everybody. Well, thank you so much for being here. It's been a good day. Everybody have a good day out there. Remember, no matter what happens in the world, you know, some. For some people, it's a great day, you know, good for you guys. Glad you're having fun, you know, and for some of those, it's. It's a worst day. But no matter if it's a good day or it's a bad day, we're going to be here because we love you guys and we love.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're always better off than the people on Bravo.

[Ben Mandelker]

No matter what happens in this world, just try to laugh, okay? That's. That's all we can really tell you at this point. It's when things are going good and when things are not going good for you, just smile through it. Push it down. Push it down. Talk to you tomorrow.

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