#2613 RHOSLC S05E08: Todd Forbid!

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2613 RHOSLC S05E08: Todd Forbid!

Release Date: November 7, 2024

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction to Episode #2613: "Todd Forbid!"

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous dynamics of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHO SLC) Season 5, Episode 8, aptly titled "Todd Forbid!" The episode centers around escalating tensions among the cast members, particularly focusing on Bronwyn, Heather, Lisa, and Todd.

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Key Discussions and Conflicts

Bronwyn’s Dominant Presence

Bronwyn emerges as a pivotal figure in this episode, quickly becoming a fan favorite due to her assertive and no-nonsense demeanor. Ben expresses his admiration:

• Ben Mandelker ([07:13]): "I love how she sees red. It has to explode out of her. I love how she has a look on her face like, this is supreme injustice, and I must fix it."

Ronnie, however, remains skeptical of Bronwyn’s intentions:

• Ronnie Karam ([06:10]): "I'm wary of a newbie coming in and immediately controlling trips and saying who can and can't come. I'm just going to say that she seems difficult."

Heather’s Struggle and Bronwyn’s Vendetta

The episode highlights Heather’s strained relationship with other cast members, especially Bronwyn. Heather’s attempts to mend fences are met with resistance and accusations from Bronwyn, leading to heightened drama.

• Ben Mandelker ([06:40]): "Heather Gay is showing how much this show needs her. She's such a little troublemaker and she really does bring so much energy to it."

• Ronnie Karam ([16:15]): "She's putting so many lines in the sand. She's so mortally offended with quite a few people now."

Lisa Barlow’s Role and Accountability

Lisa Barlow’s interactions exacerbate the existing tensions. Her confrontations and perceived lack of accountability further alienate her from other cast members.

• Ronnie Karam ([86:21]): "Lisa's not acting like too much of an asshole in this particular moment. Although she was by doing that call, you know?"

• Ben Mandelker ([86:38]): "Lisa is jamming down this crack to make the divide bigger... I'm mad because I've brought her to this nice ass place and she's still gonna be like, you know."

Todd’s Authority and Mediation Attempts

Todd steps in as a mediator, attempting to quell the rising tensions but finds himself caught in the middle of the chaos.

• Ben Mandelker ([93:35]): "He's telling the wives to leave if they don't cut the crappins out. He's trying to enforce some order."

• Ronnie Karam ([94:49]): "He's firing them... He's telling them to stop doing this, otherwise, he's getting them out of the house."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker ([07:13]): "I love how she sees red. It has to explode out of her."

• Ronnie Karam ([16:15]): "She’s putting so many lines in the sand."

• Ben Mandelker ([86:21]): "Lisa is jamming down this crack to make the divide bigger."

• Ronnie Karam ([93:35]): "He's telling them to stop doing this, otherwise, he's getting them out of the house."

Host Insights and Opinions

Ben Mandelker appreciates Bronwyn’s disruptive energy, believing it adds compelling dynamics to the show:

• Ben ([92:37]): "I like that she has zero chill. She has no chill, and she's agitating people, and she's creating real dynamics."

Conversely, Ronnie Karam is critical of Bronwyn’s confrontational approach and its impact on the show's energy:

• Ronnie ([86:52]): "I think Bronwyn's trajectory... she’s putting all these walls up between everybody. It doesn't help the energy."

Episode Highlights

1. Cast Trip to Palm Springs: The main setting is a group trip hosted by Bronwyn, intended to foster bonding but quickly turns sour due to underlying tensions.
2. Apology Attempts: Multiple attempts at apologies fall flat, with Bronwyn and Heather taking clear stances against each other.
3. Todd’s Intervention: Todd enforces boundaries, resulting in heated exchanges and the potential ousting of several cast members.
4. Lisa’s Manipulation: Lisa attempts to mediate by calling Heather, which only deepens misunderstandings and distrust.
5. Emotional Clashes: The interactions culminate in emotional confrontations, highlighting issues of loyalty, trust, and personal grievances.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In "Todd Forbid!", The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City continues to showcase intricate relationships and power struggles among its cast. Bronwyn’s assertiveness and Todd’s decisive actions create a charged atmosphere, while Heather and Lisa’s conflicts add layers of drama. Ben and Ronnie provide insightful commentary, balancing their praise with critical perspectives on the evolving dynamics.

Ben Mandelker remains supportive of Bronwyn’s role, seeing her as a catalyst for engaging storylines, whereas Ronnie Karam voices concerns about the negative impact of such confrontations on the show’s overall enjoyment. The episode underscores the volatile nature of reality TV relationships and sets the stage for further developments in the season.

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[Ben Mandelker]

Hello and welcome to watch our Crappins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is just the most wonderful person I can imagine. I would invite him to Palm Springs even if we had a beef. It's Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, aren't you a little sweetheart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh wait, hold on one second. This just in. Todd requests that you leave. I'm so sorry, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm giving you $20 in a plane ticket. Get the hell out of my house.

[Ben Mandelker]

He really did become captain Lee. You got a one way plane ticket home. Get out of here. Of course about Salt Lake City, we are recapping it today. So good. Let's see the typical things. Join us on Patreon. And we have our videos up there. Bonus episodes this week. For a bonus episode, by the way, this was a fun one. We did a trailer trash of the new show coming to Bravo in like less than a month. Sold on slc. This is Bravo's new real estate show featuring Lisa Barlow. And honestly we saw that trailer. I had. I didn't even. I had never seen the trailer before and we laughed our asses off. The show looks so good. So like let this has been. This has been hot Utah fall. And we started with Mormon Wives. We're here with real Housewives of SLC. We're going to continue on with sold on SLC. So go check out that bonus episode. It's on patreon.com watch for Crabbins.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So anywho, let's get on with our sweet sweet Salt Lake City situation, shall we?

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's get on with it. It sounded Like a monkey on a roller coaster. Today. I don't know what they're doing with all those haas. I need like a nice melodic haunt. It's like you. You put the CH on a roll on a roller coaster that goes over a bumpy road. They're just like Tony Be, the lady from Crazy shows up.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, back in like 1995, Tonky be did a. Did a film with Alan comics where they went down a roller coaster. And it was. He was a great, great chimp on a coaster. That was actually the name of the film. It's called Chimp on a Coaster. Great, great work.

[Ronnie Karam]

Chimp on a Coaster. Yeah. So this week, you know, as we've seen the past, Bronwyn has become very quickly a fan favorite. I still don't trust her myself, but, you know, I'm. I'm a less trusting human being. It takes me a little, a little bit of time. I'm a pound puppy. It's going to take me a minute. But I do like her very much. I just don't. I don't like rich people coming in and then start bossing everybody around because they're rich, if that makes any sense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what else is the rich person supposed to do?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go buy another thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

I should go buy things is what I say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, fine. Yeah. So you distrust Bronwyn. I. I am fully on board the Bronwyn train. I'm really enjoying her. I think she's having a great first season. And if, by the way, your distrust proves out, proves to be true, and she winds up being, you know, a monster, then Godspeed. Like, Like, I love that. I love a monster turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hope she becomes a monster because I really love like a snotty lady monster because I was a waiter for a very long time, my whole life pretty much. And you know, you come and you come across these types all the time and it was really fun to try and win them over. Also, I grew up with this type of woman, you know, the country club lady and stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I love to try to turn a snotty, hateful, mean lady who's mean to service people. Not saying she is any of those things, but she seems difficult. I'm just going to say that she seems difficult and somewhat humorless. So I'm waiting. I agree.

[Ben Mandelker]

Difficult. She seems difficult to hate because I love her. I think she's great. I think I, I love that she. I love how she sees red. Like, I love how it's all over her face. You can See, she can't even keep it in. It has to explode out of her. I love how she has a look on her face like, this is supreme injustice at this moment, and I must fix it. And I just. I thought she had a great episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

She had a pretty good one. I'm just, you know, I'm wary of a newbie coming in and immediately controlling trips and saying who can and can't come. And now you're kicked out because you disrespected me. I'm like, excuse you. You just got here. And I know that you're richer than everybody else, but, like, you literally just got off the plane. And we already saw how kind of energyless this episode got for a bit without Ms. Heather Gay there stirring her gigantic pot of bullshit that she's usually. She's making everybody. There was a moment where I was like, oh, God, they're gonna really sit in this hot tub and just stare at each other. And then they just kept saying things like, well, we're breaking the ice. We're breaking the ice. You guys have known each other for how long? You shouldn't be breaking the ice. Why is it so.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's because there was so much tension. It was great. I thought it was. I was like, oh, to me, that was great. I was like, they. These women have. They. They hate each other and they're trying to make nice, but they can't. They're in a hot tub and they're just. Oh, my goodness. It was bubbling over. Quite literally. Literally doubling over.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, let's get into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we open the knits.

[Ronnie Karam]

Grits, y'all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. We're at the Stillwell spa, and Meredith is back on the show after a one episode hiatus. And Lisa and Meredith arrived at Stillwell sp. And, you know, Lisa's like, oh, my God, you're, like, so pretty. I'm like, so casual. Meanwhile, Lisa is wearing, like, a yeti on her back. She's like, oh, my God, look at me just in my sweats.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you know what? I'm just in a tie, dyed mink. So sorry. It's just so casual. I love that she's got, like, 20 IKEA fur rugs on at the same time.

[Ben Mandelker]

She looks this one together. So then we find out that Heather will be meeting them, because flashback to, like, a few minutes ago in the car. Lisa's talking to her on the phone, and Heather's like, have you talked to Bronwyn about this couple's trip that she planned? Because Bronwyn invited me over to her house. And I stormed out of her house, Lisa. I stormed right out.

[Ronnie Karam]

What? On our way to Stillwater Spa to meet Meredith. Come up here. I want to hear everything. This is so weird. It's weird. So they. Oh, she calls it Stillwater, but the sign says still. Well, she's like, you know what? I feel more comfortable in a place that attracts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mosquito.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mosquitoes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Any way to lose a little weight. Am I right? So Lisa and Meredith are not getting massages. And Lisa's like, I, like, love getting massages. Which, you know, is. I like that Lisa says things that. She sounds like she's being super original. She just uses an inflection. But she's not really. Like most of her testimonials. She's, like, rolling her head around, but she doesn't really say anything snappy, you know? Yeah. And I like that about her. She's just got the J to pull it off. She's got the J.

[Ben Mandelker]

So after the massages, they go out to, like, this balcony, and Meredith is like, wow, Lisa, I'm trying to get my whole family in for the b. M. And she's like, yeah, you need you. Like, like, who would we bring in? Myra. And she's like, yeah, yeah, Myra. I'm like, I don't know who Myra is. But the funny thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sister. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, is it? I just forgot the sister's name.

[Ronnie Karam]

We met. We met Myra. Remember the. The family lemon cutting scene? Well, of course I'm gonna bring my. I mean, we're gonna do the ceremonial cutting of the lemon where all of our families put our hands on the same woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's when you really know you're a man or a woman. You know what's funny is that my. My whole family is in Salt Lake City right now for a bar mitzvah that I wasn't invited to for someone named Myra. That was not my.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Imagine if. If my family is at Meredith Marks bat mitzvah right now. I will be furious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I thought this was going to have to do with the Myra, because we said Myra, and then you're speaking of. And I was like, oh, my God, You've got a Myra story. Yeah, I want to hear Myra. No, I feel like I don't hear a lot of Myra stories.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I know the point of this story is that I basically am living this show right now because the Mandelkers are an SLC for. For a bar mitzvah. So you're welcome, America.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you weren't invited, so that's. That's not a crazy new story. This has been. That's Ben's. It's a constant story, not being invited to bar mitzvah. Why weren't you invited? Was it? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it's totally fine. It's totally fine. It's like a. It's like, it's. It's like a weird. There's no. There's no ill will. It was just like one of these things where like the parent, like my parents have relationship with the. It's just. It's hard to describe, but it's like, fine. It's like a. It's a. It's a situation where. It's a rare situation where being not invited makes total sense. If it's hard to describe, but it just does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, those people. That's what I say. Congrats, that 13 year old, whoever it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, congratulations on being a man. It's also becoming a band.

[Ronnie Karam]

Myra, wait a second.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm the Heather Gay. I'm the Heather Gay in this situation. I just realized, well, are you like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her where you're just chronically lying about why you weren't invited? I have no idea, Lisa. I swear, I have no idea why she would. She would be so upset with me. I just went to her home to just compliment her coasters before. You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's horrifying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it's horrifying, Lisa. Absolutely.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I horrified that I have to sing for my supper? No, but it is very fun and I hope everyone has a great time. So anyway, Heather now shows up and she's like, what is happening? Did anything horrifying happen in this spot? Well, guess what I am doing. You are taking Brooksie to a Mommy and Me screening of Venom.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I mean right now I'm in the. In the process of benzos. It's benzos. Is it bentos and tequila. I've always wanted to ask you, what's your formula?

[Ben Mandelker]

What is it? No, I'm getting Bat Mitzvahed And Heather's like, you are? Personally? That's amazing. Now, what is a Bat Mitzvah, by the way?

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's a robot blessing. Is that what we're doing? I love that. I love that for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am getting Batman's fud and I never did it. And Heather's like, shut up. She's like, I know. Isn't it amazing? Yes. I'm doing it and I'm super, super excited.

[Ronnie Karam]

Judaism sounds so fun. It's a religion that hasn't ousted me yet. So part of me wants to sit at Their table. But the other part of me wants us. Are you just not paying attention to me, Judy? As I'm told, you want to kick me out. I've got a third book in me. I feel it coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

A third book. So Meredith is like, by Mormon, gay, by Heather, gay. So Heather's like, well, I just. I don't want to get left out, which is my subtle way of transitioning from your very exciting announcement to my beef. And Mary's like, well, of course I'm. You're not gonna be left out. That's why I'm telling you. She's like, okay. Because it seems to be okay. I don't think you heard what I was trying to say. I'm. I know this is actually a very important and symbolic thing for you, Meredith, but currently I'm being disinvited from a Palm Springs trip, so I think that's going to take precedence over this discussion. Okay. And we are transitioned.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of course I am. And you're going to be right there. That's all I'm trying to say. Okay, so let's put it this way. I was basically a 13 year old in a bat mitzvah ceremony that was kicked out by a rich person. Who would do that? Bronwyn. Bronwyn did it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so we're just gonna. We're just gonna move past the fact that this is an important symbolic ceremony for me. That was a void in my life that I'm finally filling in. And anyway, like I said, so I went to Bronwyn's house. First of all, poop on the floors. Am I right, everyone? Ugh. Disgusting. And then she was like, you don't get to come onto this trip unless you grovel for it. I'm like, disgusting. Horrifying.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just wanted. I just assumed because she wanted to make up and move forward, but I mean, it was basically to tell me I'm a shitty person. And Lisa's like, well, yeah, but like, she doesn't even really know you. Like, she doesn't even know how shitty you are because, like, she really could have done worse. Let's be honest. Basically, she told me I had to. You know, she didn't know if she was going to include me in a group trip. I mean, she brought up a lot of weird stuff. She was apologizing to me, which I never heard her say she was sorry. But then I was confused about why she was even apologizing. And then she was like, now, would you like to apologize to me? And I was like, what? I mean, she was just all over the place, mincing words, getting mad for asking if she had a prenup. I mean, what. Heather, you are so full of shit. Do you think this is not on television? Chu is very specific with what she wanted an apology for. And you're just acting like what it's by trying to villainize her her first five minutes on the show because she had the nerve to go up against.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because she had the nerves shady for one moment. And the truth is this, Lisa is saying like, but she doesn't even know you, Heather. And the point is this, that Heather doesn't even know Bronwyn. So the fact that Heather starts going around telling people, and Heather is a big dog on the show telling people Bronwyn is like two faced. She's shitty because she was talking behind Whitney's back, which she was being shady. But it was not like full fledged the way a lot of the other people on this cast. Cast do. So I think Brahman is totally entitled to be like, you should apologize because, yeah, I don't know you, but you don't know me, but you're still going around telling people that I'm duplicitous and that's bullshit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Heather's just like, she was insane. We should 5150 her. And Lisa's like, well, that means Lisa's like, that makes me so sad. Like, I want you to come on the trip with us. What are we going to do if you're not on the trip? We've had so many good trips. Remember that trip when you just like blew me off? Remember that other trip when you told everybody I was giving blowjobs? Oh, I guess that was Whitney. That was Whitney. But you didn't really help much on that trip. What else?

[Ben Mandelker]

And, and Heather's like, well, you know what, what's your version of your friendship with her? Because when I got there, she told me she had FaceTimed you and to make sure that everything was cool so that you could come on the trip too. So Lisa, notably Lisa isn't like, I've known Bronwyn for all these years. She is awesome. She's wonderful. I think you're getting the wrong impress impression. Lisa goes, well, I got off the call and I like very iron on because like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like so mad. It's not like what, you know, not what she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, first of all, she wasn't, she wasn't irritated. She was very frustrated. Okay. Because that's how Lisa gets I'm frustrated. I'm just so frustrated about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I like that. As I was trying to say what she said, I got so into my Lisa Barlow impersonation that I actually clogged up all the words coming out of my mouth. I was like, you literally got frustrated, which is actually the most authentic Lisa Barlo low impersonation you can have. So she's just like, it's not what she said. It's the way she said it. She's like, are John and Justin gonna be okay? I just want to make sure they're gonna be okay. And I'm like, my husband is the CEO of a company that my child runs, and, like, he's gonna be fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have you ever heard of featuring that's my man? Okay. That's my man. And then, like, you know, she's like, you know, are you gonna Basically saying you and John created a problem. I mean, listen, I'm not gon to defend my character, my husband's character, on this phone call. And then when I got up, I was, like, so upset. I was like, retina's lying about me. And that. She's not even like, hey, that sucks for yo. Like, I'm sorry you were crying. I'm so sorry you were upset, yo. And. But by the way, when they showed the evidence of this, it was so funny, because Lisa's making it sound like she's like, now listen here. Your husband's a real runaway train, Lisa Barlow. Everyone's terrified him, and I don't want him beating up anybody at my house. And if he is going to beat anybody up, he better go to what cracker, cracker fair cracker factory that they make because my husband is rich, and we are not gonna let that. If she didn't do that. They show the flashback, and she's like, okay, but I'm also inviting Whitney. Is that okay with you? Because I know there was some drama. Your husband got into a physical altercation. Ma'am, the lady's allowed to ask.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Lisa makes it sound like Bron was saying, like, they better be okay together, because this is my trip. But when you see. At least Bronwyn's like, hey, is. Are you gonna. Is that gonna be okay that. That Whitney and Justin could be there? Because I know there was an issue in the past. It was actually a thought. It was a thoughtful call, and it was. It's considerate. And Lisa took it as like, why would she even do that? Why would she put me in a position like that? And by the way, that's actually a semi fair question and. But like why not ask it? Like why not say at that moment, like, like, like it's fine, but like I don't love that you put me in this position. Like we'll be fine because we can. We're mature. But instead in that moment, Lisa's like, oh yeah, well that's totally fine. Everything's fine. But then it actually turns out she's resentful of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

But.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? Make your own rules. That's what my thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's like, really confusing because I was accused of being behind all these rumors and nastiness last year. And then we see rumors and not, you want to go there with husband. So she's like. Which, by the way, Meredith just fully pivots out of this entire topic into her own topic because she's like, like, what? How do you feel about this situation with Bronwyn and Heather? And she was like, while I was accused of room. You know, here's something that Sean did. Has nothing to do with what we were just talking about, but I'm gonna make it sound like it's very relevant.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I was wondering how that. That was an August. That was a Meredith driving kind of a moment. You know, that was a snowbank, like, straight into a snowbank moment. So Sean went on to a podcast. He said that Brooksy. He was talking about Brooksie saying that I'm basically using Bruxy as a pawn to deflect from my all behavior.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me tell you this. Brooks, he was so upset, he started bleeding out of his eyes. He. Sean basically almost killed my child.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why would you ever invoke the name of a sweet toddler who can barely even design his own tracksuits himself? Come on. Now. By the way, this brings us to three ladies on this cast that are accusing other people of using their children as. As collateral damage in their fights. Because now we have Electra, Henry, and Brooksie.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're just using children as human shields. This is what that's. Things have gotten really rough and tumble in 2024 now. You know, we're just like, you know what? But use your children. If you're looking around for a weapon and you don't have anything, use your children. Okay? Grab them by the ankle, swing them around the room until they knock someone in the head. You know what I mean? Why else did we have Those little.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I pulled Sean aside at his mafia sort of party thing, and he flashback. So then we have married saying, Sean. It was hurtful to me, to my husband and all the toddlers out there when you use my son and said I was playing him as a pawn, when in fact, I was actually playing a Fisher Price xylophone for him. A totally different thing. Okay. And I didn't even do, you know, I don't like what you said about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so I was like, you know what? Hurt my feelings. It really hurt me that I have a poster of your face in my bedroom that doesn't have your signature on it. Let's make a change. So he's basically like, that's how I felt. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she.

[Ronnie Karam]

What about. She's like, here's how I felt. Who had Sean on a podcast. Why haven't I heard clips of this? I want to hear Sean on a podcast. He's so cute. I saw him at BravoCon, and I was like, ba, Bam. That guy's a hundred times even hotter than he is on tv. He does dress extremely effeminately, and I loved every second of it. I thought he looked amazing. He was carrying, like, Louis Vuitton bags and, like, had big gold sunglasses. His face was, like, so fucking tanned and, like, slick and, like, waxed and brushed. And, I mean, I've just never seen grooming like that. I mean, I. The Old Navy theme started playing in my head to show me what a fucking loser I am. As this man passed, I mean, I was like, wow, I was. I became a. I just felt like I was at a NASCAR race in a bikini at that point. When I saw him, I was like, who even am I? I have no class. This guy's amazing. I don't even know how he talks in more than a sentence at a time. I want to hear this podcast. And what did he accuse Brooks of? Like, I need to.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Meredith is like, so back to Franzen. Not once. Not once was it, I should not have talked about your son. And I am sorry. I mean, toddlers hear things. And Lisa's like, I would be hard by that. I would be really, really hurt by someone saying that. I'm like, can we clue. Can we bring in the flashback of Lisa literally saying two weeks ago, oh, every time I talk to you always like, oh, sorry, gotta talk to electronic instead. Y be so hurt if someone uses. Uses their child as a pawn.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Meredith is like, well, I was just blown away. Oh, my God. She does that thing where she throws up her Hands and just like. I mean, what kind of world do we even live in anymore? We can hurt children like that. And Meredith tells us, why would you bring Brooks into this mess? He has absolutely nothing to do with Brooks. Ow. Ow, ow. Bro, are you. Are you done yet? Have you had enough to eat yet? Brooks, please go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, leave the poor child. Whoa. He's in, dad. So Heather's like, well, so it's a great time for you two to get onto a private plane. Well, my only hope is that this private plane is a little roomier than the macaroni and cheese I put on a fork and put into Brooks's mouth. You know, the old here comes the plane. You know what I'm saying?

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe I'll go commercial. Speaking of Frosty. Frosty? Who loves Frosty? Lisa. Lisa. All right, don't go that commercial, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right, yeah, I don't. I understand you have a partnership with Wendy's, but you apparently don't have a partnership with Gray Worldwide Advertising Agency.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and finish the scene with my line winches. Quick little jaunt of Palm Springs. Sounds like it might be more of a living now. Which is unbot, where unbot mitzvahed ladies go to. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Bronwyn's house, and she's packing, and Bronwin is FaceTiming with Todd, and she's like, hey, Todd, how's Korea? He's like, oh, it's very good. I had some good meetings yesterday, and even though I'm in Korea, there's a Japanese restaurant in the hotel. She's like, I haven't had. Had the heart to break it to Todd that he's been upstairs in the bedroom this entire time. Pretend it's Korea.

[Ronnie Karam]

Korea's fine, despite the war. I mean, shoot, you'd never even know the way people are carrying on here. These are strong people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, they got the same dogs here as they do at home. Oh, God, did I left bell up there?

[Ronnie Karam]

They sit everywhere here, too, and I like that. He said, I went to a restaurant, just, of course you did, Todd. Of course you did. Is that, like, something crazy that Todd.

[Ben Mandelker]

Does goes against sushi when he's in Korea?

[Ronnie Karam]

In Korea. So she goes, of course you did. Now, are you ready to fly back here? All the ways you can play the bump springs with me in the cdd? Like, she's always talking like the nurse, and he's just always. You know, she's just like, please don't fly off the handle. Don't throw a Bedpan at me today, mister. Ow. So he's like, of course I'm ready for Saturday. How does that go with your friends?

[Ben Mandelker]

Your friends? And she's like, and we find out that Mary will not be coming because she could be spending the weekend with her son. And then she goes, and I told you, you know, Heather came over, and it didn't go well. So it didn't. I didn't obviously extend an invitation. She was. Was storming at the house. So she's not coming. So I'm really hoping it goes well. Todd, at this point, he goes, well.

[Ronnie Karam]

We talked about this before.

[Ben Mandelker]

I really don't want to have a weekend of drama with these people. I was like, whoa. It's like, these people, these reality show people. It's like, oh, I love that Todd has a salty side there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he. He showed it with his whole, I don't want to talk about this anymore. Last week with Gwen when he shut that down, you know, look, I get it. He's older and stuff, and he's probably sick of all this Housewives nonsense. You are on a Housewives show. I don't care how rich you are, you're on a Housewives show. And you. You shouldn't be talking to your wife like this. I really don't. Right here is not so bad. But he gets pretty. It's getting uncomfortable later, and I don't like it. There, I said it. And Bronwyn. I don't like how Bronwyn's always walking on eggshells around him. I don't like when he talks to her in a. In a raised tone or a harsh tone, and she's looking down like she's really nervous, and it makes me uncomfortable. I don't like it. I don't trust Todd. There, I said it. I think Todd's a dick. And I think that Bronwyn is kind of here to do the lily pad thing of jumping away from her husband and still getting some money afterwards, because this guy really is not great.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just see this guy. I feel like he presents like he's just, like, this sweet older man, but, like, he ran, like, a major company. And, like, when you are a CEO, you have to be a dick. Like, people. CEOs are all dicks. Like, you to get to ascend in corporate America and through the world of finance and all that stuff, you're gonna be a dick. And to me, it was funny because, like, the dick side came out when he said all these people. I thought it was funny because he's like, I hate all these, like, I'm go on this show. Fine, have fun. But I don't want to be. I don't want to hang out with your trash friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

The dick side to me is fine for the other people. Where it's not fine is to his wife. I don't like it, and I don't like the way that she reacts to it, that she. It doesn't seem like it rolls right off of her back, like, later in the episode. It seems to bother her. It seems to embarrass her. I feel like he's embarrassing her on national tv. I mean, sorry to take all the fun out of it, because I know that I don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I honestly don't remember him, like, being mean to Bronwyn in this episode, but we'll see when we get to the. The. The scenes. But I just don't remember. My. My memory was him being like, I don't like that this. This lady is arguing with you. And I don't want to deal with this on my. On. On our, like, anniversary weekend. So you guys have to, like, get us the together or not. But I'm. I'm not saying that's where it was. Yeah, we're gonna see.

[Ronnie Karam]

Neither one of us really knows all we. We. We're coming from limited information, but red flags are a waving.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been like 12 hours since we've seen this, so. So it's basically a fog for me. I don't even remember what happened. No, but I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying my memory of it was not that that happened.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so let's see here. So she's like, well, I'm not going to make this trip about them. Okay. It's about you and I, right, Todd? It's about us. This really means so much to me that we're doing this. I mean, we're going to go spend. Us who've been together for so long, we've come through so much, and we're going to go spend time with people that we don't know in a place that really doesn't matter or hold any specific meaning to any of them. Let's do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

That we'll see. I guess as the wise man said, she's like, well, the wise man never said that, but that's okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Actually, they said, do you have a room with the bathtub? No, it was a. It was a barn, unfortunately. So they were upset. Say, I know I was there, wise man. That. That's what I say. That's my boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's my Todd also, by the way. I can imagine he's probably a little. He's probably a little cranky about this because, you know, this was, like, their anniversary weekend. And she's like, like, do you mind if we make this, like, a reality show backdrop? And no, he's like, I don't want to have our, like, special weekend turned into, like, a chaotic reality show. And she's like, no, I promise there'll be no drama. Like, you know, there was that conversation. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this because I love you, but, like, I really don't want a lot of around. This was supposed to be, like, our time, so I can already imagine why. He's, like, a little spicy about this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, then don't stop to be on the TV show, you weirdo. So then, about women getting snappy with each other. Now you listen here. Now, you women better not get snappy with each other on the women getting snappy on each other show.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, so now we go to Angie and Sean packing, and Sean's like, well, I'm assuming that we can pack pretty late. It's gonna be pretty warm, huh, Ange? And she's like, oh, my God. Private jet. It can't weigh too much. So I guess I won't bring this giant tub of tzatziki. I am Greek.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. Sean's like, we're packing light, Sean. You'd be wearing a net T shirt no matter what state you were in or what time of the year it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I wish he would, by the way. I was really. When they all started swimming later on, I was like, ah, finally we can see Sean shirtless. And then they just show him, like, neck up in the water. And I was like, why?

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on, bro. It's like keeping art behind a, you know, a sheet. Why do you do that? I don't understand why people do that unwrapped. They're like, you know what? It hurt. It gets hurt when it's exposed to the elements. Who cares if that's what it's for? It's made from my eyes. Uncover it.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll let the camera linger on Todd. But then when it comes to Sean, like, oh, it's like, nose up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Todd. We get a full Sean Cody video over it. You know, I've got. I've got Todd walking around with his perky little breast, like, that's fine, but I don't get to see fucking Sean.

[Ben Mandelker]

Give me my Sean. Who's like, v, Shaped shirts have been teasing us for a year and a half. Come on. Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Seriously. So then auntie's like, I've got a fancy dinner outfit. I've got shoes. I've got a little package come just in for the trip. It is these fancy shoes. And he's like, ah, I didn't see that one hit the Amex yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is great. Can I borrow those?

[Ben Mandelker]

Can you believe we're going on a couple's trip? I think it's gonna be fun sleeping in a bed where we're actually so close that we can almost feel each other. He's like, yeah. Hey, so what's your dynamic with Lisa right now? Oh, our friendship is not what it was. And I don't know how we'll get back to that. And it's like I've let her kind of get away with being kind of mean to me at times.

[Ronnie Karam]

You've let her get away with a lot. A lot, a lot. She's my con. So then we go to Whitney and Justin and they're packing. Too obvious. Packing. It's a packing segment. And Whitney's like, what do you think it's gonna be like with you and. And who? What? Me and who? What do you mean? Well, me and John are gonna be fine. Oh, that's good. Why are you bringing that up?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is Trixie gonna be there? No, that was last year. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that wasn't even Trixie. That was a stand in for Trixie. Oh, no, this year. This year was the stand in for Trixie. She's like, we are going to Trixie's bar. Trixie's not going to be there, I don't think. But then Trixie was there. I'm so confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

Prism collection. So John is like. He's like, yeah. He's like, well, I mean, you know, I mean, Justin's like, oh, the only thing is that's kind of lingers. He was like, would I be willing to give Lisa an apology? No, no. She owes you an apology. And. And no. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. What? So then we go to Lisa and John packing and Lisa's like, are you ready for the trash? And he's like, looks like you are with all of these sunglasses. And then we see Lisa on the ground with like 10 wall sized sunglasses holders. She's got like hundreds of pairs of sunglasses just lying around on the ground.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it literally looked like in Game of Thrones when they went to like the House of the Faces and they have all these walls with all these faces they can choose from. It's like that, except with sunglasses.

[Ronnie Karam]

Except they're all Lisa Barlow. Every single face. I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. I love that. I love.

[Ben Mandelker]

A man needs sunglasses.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, dracaris, please. I can't take anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Dracaras. I love that. Can I flame? So. So she's like, should I bring this? And then he's like, maybe I'll bring these swim trunks because, John Barlow, I'm gonna threaten to divorce you for the millionth time. He's like, so, are you excited? She's like, yeah, probably not so much. Like, things are, like, not great with Angie. And, like, after the way I, like, left things with Whitney after the mob party, you know, I don't want to hang out with her.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you know what? Justin owes me an apology, too, while we're at it. And he's like, well, he essentially said he's going to think about it, but I'm not going to force him, even though I'm in my forceful era.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, look at you being so forceful. It's like, yeah, the other day, I saw a dog on a lawn, so I flopped myself onto the ground and rolled down to the sidewalk. And the dog. Dog didn't really move, but it felt strong for doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

He licked me really hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

I felt powerful. Felt like a man.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's nothing like dog licks all over your face to make you feel powerful. Then I got a newspaper thrown at my head. That kind of hurt. Okay, stop talking now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then I got off the lawn because I was like, actually, maybe the dog should be on the lawn. Maybe I should be the one not on the lawn. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. I think this trip is going to be Andre. Like, we're gonna have a good time. I just don't want to get frustrated. He's like, how was your lunch? And she's like, it was good. It was emotional, which I hate. I hate emotions. And then we see Lisa at lunch with her sister being like, oh, my God, I feel so sorry for Henry. Everybody hates him. Like, Henry's so unpopular. It's terrible. The other night, I was watching the presidential polls come in and Henry got the lowest votes. Wait a minute. Henry was running for president? No, but people still wrote him in as someone they didn't wanna vote for.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can you believe Jill Stein did better than Henry? I'm so sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm trying to get him in to be a Russian asset so at least he could get some Kind of groundwork going, but even Putin won't take him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't second guess myself a lot, but, like, one thing I dissect a lot is how I'm like a mom. I. It's really important for me to dissect.

[Ronnie Karam]

How I am as a mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Didn't she just say this last week, too? Because didn't you make a joke how she put her motherhood, like, on a table and, like, opened it up like, what? I'm really gonna dissect this, you know, and having a friend call me a bad Bob magnifies everything like, a million times more. Like, I think it's, like, the meanest thing you can say to me. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dark crystal. Hey, wait a minute. That was the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. I just wanted to make the other thing hurt less. God, John, she's like, I don't know what.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. You're doing that again.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Now everyone's arriving at the private plane, except for Heather and Britney and Mary. And they're all showing up. They're getting on the plane. Everyone's so excited. I think, is this the first private plane they've been on on this show? I could be wrong, but I don't seem to remember any other private planes. I think this is a very exciting moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they're excited. And so prom was like. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Bronwyn Air Flight 323 with their husbands. I mean, to Palm Springs, California. I'm sorry, my eyes skipped to a different part of these no's. Please make sure all of your luxury carry on them are safely. She kind of. She kind of goes on. And I just have to note here. Yeah, I just have to note here. I didn't laugh. Sorry. It's really bothering me because I really like the mirror. There's just something missing and I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I'm sorry. Just have to say it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was amused. And they sit down and then Seth and Meredith are in like a little nook. And Seth is like, oh, excuse me, flight attendant. Is this a dry flight or a wet flight? And she's like, are you drinking at 7 in the morning? What is wrong with you?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then now they're landing and deplaning and all that stuff. And we get two cars, Meredith and Lisa and car two. Angie, Whitney and Bronwyn are in car one with their husbands. So Angie's like, it is dangerous right now between the husbands in this group. Mine is extremely scary. He's already waxed up his face and taken off his earrings and he is ready to rumble.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Justin's like, well, I'm not stepping towards you. Okay, don't step at me because I'm Greek. And I'll step back. Well, more like I'll do like a little dance and then break a plate. Plate on your head, which is big and plate break worthy.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't want to see me do a grapevine with my arms upstretched in the air.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then Seth and the other one. Seth's like, I've been so out to lunch. And like, Meredith told me that there's an altercation with you and Justin. And John's like, yeah, like, Lisa came over, as Lisa does, and she Was like, how do you deal with your wife? She's a liar. And in the past, past, we've always had this thing, like kind of an understanding from the beginning that we just don't listen to the women. That's like the Mormon thing to do, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Seth's like a pact. We've had a brotherhood. Stay out of our wives business. Go. Got it. Got it. Back to balance. Got it. Back to balance. Look, here's what the husbands are doing, are here to do. Compliment our wives friends, breasts. That's what we're here to do. All right? Everything else is just like, why are we even paying attention to this? We've got penises. What's going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

And if someone has a cake that sort of portrays said breaths, your obligation is to motorboat, motorboat that cake and then maybe lick it gently.

[Ronnie Karam]

So wait, well, maybe it's balance now. It's not balanced for me. It's not balanced for that. And Seth is like, okay, well, maybe it's not balanced. Here's what are balanced. Whitney's breasts. Can we all get an amen?

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. I saw Justin Whitney and I like went like this and I like gave a. Gave my middle finger and then I got blue a kiss. And I'm like, like, your wife's a liar and you're lying for her. Okay. And like, I get that Bronwyn invited them, but it's awkward. And Heather reminded me that I should be mad that. That Bronwyn invited them. So now I'm mad at Bronwyn too.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's just so awkward. So then we go to back to car one and prom one's like, well, it was kind of weird on the plane because I was talking to Lisa and Meredith and we were talking about Heather and AI's conversation and I was like, oh my God, it's been five minutes and already brought. Bronwyn is offended greatly at something. Let's see what it is. So we flash back to 30 minutes earlier and Lisa's like, what happened with Heather? And she's like, well, I had Heather over and I tried to talk things out with her and it just didn't go well. Did she the floor? No, but there is a lot of on the floor. We're working on that. It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys didn't get anywhere. You guys didn't get anywhere. No. Be Heather Leviticus upset in the middle of the conversation. Well, I'm shocked because I didn't think anything was that deep. You know, she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't know. I start out by saying to her, I want to understand what I've done that's upset you so much. And she was like, so you want me to give an inser. An insincere apology? And I was like, no, I'll give you a sincere apology if I just understand what it is that you're upset about. And she really couldn't tell me what she was upset about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, when Heather's your friend, she's really your friend. And when she's not your friend, she's showing up at your doorway, putting her. Lifting up her shirt and putting her breasts up against the glass like a good time girl. And honestly, it's less embarrassing for all involved if you're just friends with her. Just make up with Heather. Trust me, you don't want to get.

[Ben Mandelker]

That thumbs up emoji.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what's Heather the one who complained about the thumbs up emoji? Wasn't she the one who's like, Lisa? And then you sent me a thumbs up emoji. And we all know that's calling someone a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Yes, she was so Bronwyn, classic big dog code for bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's why Heather. I mean, whether, you know, people right now are the Internet. A lot of the Internet right now is saying, you know, Heather's having a bad season and she's a villain. I really don't think she's having a bad season. I think this is Heather every season. And I think she's really showing how much this show needs her. She's just such a little fucking troublemaker. And she. She really does bring so much energy to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It. I think she's having a bad season. Well, actually, it's not bad. She's having a villain season. She's not having a bad season, just a villain season. And she. Yes, she does this every season, but, like, she. What she also does is she manages to do this while also not being a villain in the process. But now she's looking like a villain. So she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love it. I love having her villain, villain era. And people are finally standing up to her and she literally doesn't understand what's happening. It's so funny looking at the conf. Confusion in her eyes, she is so confused. So then Bronwyn's like, well, if you. Well, Lisa says there's two sides to the story and that their stories are completely different from each other. And Bronwyn might be 180 from me too right now. So then Bronwyn's like, well, if you agree with Heather, Then that you think that I'm too faced and bitchy and Todd's too stupid to realize I'm gold digger. Then why the fuck are you here?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I don't think that, like, I don't think that Heather's comment about the prenup was. I. I don't think that's the. That's the bigger offense here. I think the bigger offense is that Heather was accusing Bronwyn of talking and, like, should be untrustworthy. And, like, Heather immediately threw Bronwyn under the bus as soon as she could. As almost like a hazing of the newbie. And I think that's where it's shitty. I think the prenup thing is, like, that's weak. I think that's not a strong case for Bronwyn. So then we go. So now we arrived. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, she's got some defensiveness, I think, about being married to an extremely old person. But you're married to an extremely old person. I mean, that's like, in one way, she has a sense of humor about it, but in the other way, like, you can see right through that in moments like this, you know, it's like, just listen, own it, because soon you're about to own everything. You know what I mean?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who cares?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they get to this big house, and they were walking around, and it's huge, and there's stables in a pool, and it's exciting. And Seth's like, guys, I gotta find out. I gotta find a. A room with a. With a bathtub. No joke. I gotta do this. You know, I've been traveling a lot for work this year, so it's damn important with the limited time that I have with Meredith, for Meredith to be happy with a bathtub. It's kind of her thing this season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, not to mention, I think it was last season, but I got a corn. I gotta. I gotta tow up my cornhole in the bathtub. It's time to repeat. Jesus Christ. Christ. They're just. My house is falling down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my goodness. So Seth is like, he can't find a bathtub. He's like, oh, my God. Bad dream. Holy. Holy. Can't find a bathtub. This is really bad right now. He. So he's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is what it sounds like in here. Hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah, that's what's happening in here right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what just gave me the look. Like. No, bad. You keep talking, you vamp.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, vamp and vamp. I'm gonna need to be on mute For a second.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Seth is like, we know what makes each other happy as the lowest hanging fruit to know. Meredith loves a bath.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, my. Like, wow, look at all this pain. I'm saving the audience. And it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did not save you anymore. I was like, if I'm vamping. But it's funny because the song, the sound actually kind of sounds like Meredith not getting her bath. Like, guess what?

[Ronnie Karam]

There's not a bath. This is ruining my butt, mister.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we cut over to Bronwyn, Lisa, and Angie, and Bronwyn's like, you know, showing people around different rooms and showing that there's rooms, two rooms here, three rooms here. And when he's like, wow, it looks like it's already decided. Prism. And Bronwyn's like, yeah, well, just like, pick a room on this side. Whatever. She's well, if this was my party, I'd be in there assigning haha. Because I am Greek Week. So they're just like, continuing to pick their rooms and everything. And Brahman's like, she's like, I mean, there's a bad vibe with Lisa. I have gone above and beyond making sure she's comfortable with Whitney coming. And now I don't even know where she is in the property. So, like, where do I think this goes from here? Nowhere good.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, it just feels a little odd. It feels a little odd. So now Lisa, Meredith, Seth, and John are sitting by the pool, and Lisa's like, oh, my God, you guys should meet us in Europe. We're doing, like, all of Italy. Like, every single town. I mean, not the poor ones, which I guess leaves like, two towns, but still. You know what? I really don't like the food in Italy, though, so I'm not going to stay there for long. And Mary was like, you don't like the food? No, it's too fresh. Disgusting. Like, things come out of the ground there and people eat them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I don't want to go to Italy. What's the point of going to Italy if we already have Kachina Toscana in Salt Lake City?

[Ronnie Karam]

Can I say, this is so American. I feel like to be. Ew, the food in Italy, gross. It's fresh. There was a moment in Italy where I was like, wow, this is really fresh. Where's the corn syrup? Do you guys not have corn syrup crops? Like, who's growing the corn syrup here? Okay. Needs more. Needs more fillers and preservatives.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've literally never in my life heard someone say they want to spend less time in Italy. Because the food is too fresh. Maybe it's like you don't like. I don't know, maybe you don't like the traveling or the. It's. I don't know, whatever your reasons are, but, like, literally never in mankind. Human cane. I'd like to see. Let's make it open to everyone. I've ever heard someone say the food in Italy is too fresh. Take me to Great Britain instead or something, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I think mankind refers to both men and women. Man. Man is one thing, you know, man is a. Is a mass. It's all of us. It's human. So then Lee's cut to Rocky, the private jeweler. The bitchiest, most grubby, pissed off private jeweler I've ever seen in my life. Had to drive all the way to Palm Springs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rocky is happy with your asses, understandably. Rocky had a yoga class this afternoon, and she gets the phone call like, hey, you know what? You need to drive out to Palm Springs. And she's like, but it's Friday afternoon. It's going to take me three hours. Yeah, you got to do it. But I have. I have yoga. It's hot yoga. I've been waiting all week for this. Yeah, you got to go to Palm Springs. But they're not even going to buy the jewelry. They're just going pretend like they're gonna buy it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta go, right? Because I feel like everyone's, you know, their mouth is agape over this, you know, $40 million jewelry. But are they gonna actually buy it? I don't know. I think she's doing, like, a rental thing, like the Oscars, right? Where she just gets to wear it.

[Ben Mandelker]

If Charlize Theron didn't buy it, and we see that Charlize Theron wore some of this. If Charlize didn't buy it, Bronwyn's not gonna buy it. I'm sorry. Hello?

[Ronnie Karam]

40 million's a lot. But he's like a billionaire anyway. And didn't. Didn't Christian Siriano say that Bronwyn is the one that buys. That actually buys thing and doesn't expect things for free? So maybe she does. Maybe she will buy it. Who knows?

[Ben Mandelker]

Was it 40 million? I thought it was, like 4 million, but either way, it's a lot of money.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it was $40 million. Wait, you know what? I'm crazy, and I have no concept of, like, that when the money gets to be that high. I'm like, Ben, it was $3 trillion. What? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, we all know the the upper range for jewelry on this show is, I think, $60,000. I think that was the. I think that's where we are. So I don't know. We'll have to double check at the airport, by the way. Still haven't found that ring. So, anyway, so now Bronwyn is Brahman, comes out to meet Rocky, and she's like, oh, my God, thank you for driving down. Long day for you from la, huh? And she goes, yeah, yeah, that's okay. It's not driving down. It's just driving east. By the way, thanks for. Thanks for learning our geography.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she didn't even try to smile or anything. She's like, yeah, it sucked. And she's like, oh, Todd. So these are the pieces I talked to Norman about. You know, I was thinking, happy anniversary to me. Yes, this is jewelry. This is a jeweler I've worked with before. I was actually just at their vault a couple weeks ago. I had my puppy with me, and she got to try on Charlize Theron's Oscar Neckl. She pooped on it. It was just a great moment for her. It really was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rocky's like, this bitch, this literal bitch has disrespected an art piece of art. And I have to drive to Palm Springs to put something around her neck. Does she know that I even got a flat tire in the Inland Empire? A flat tire. I was stuck in Corona with a flat tire in the middle of the afternoon for this bitch. Anyway, yes, please try this on. It's 170carats.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's an opera necklace. And she's like, oh, my God, do not say the word opera around Todd. I fucking hate opera. I hope it doesn't. It's. What a horrible art form. You know, I want to sing everything. Nobody. They should outlaw music after that. It's a bunch of opera. Whatever happened to plays?

[Ben Mandelker]

Beverly Sills have a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's a sill.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm interested in a window. I could throw her out if I hate her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Hey, Beverly, sit on a cell so I can knock you off of it. Loud man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pavarotti. More like Pavana. What happened to the days of. Of Engelberg Humberding. Now that's a voice.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't even stand. Andrea Bo Challenge. You're supposed to like him. I saw him walking down the street once and I tricked him. Don't regret it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Placido Domingo. More like Placido Domingo. No, I don't want it. I want Neil Diamond.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she shows off this necklace and Ron was like, todd, Likes to buy jewelry. For me, it's a big expenditure. So these are pieces I liked at the jewelry at the jeweler that I would like Todd to also like for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meanwhile, Angie and Sean are doing something equally high end. They are pretending to play volleyball because they found, like, a little volleyball net. So Angie's like, oh, Sean, let's show America the spark that we have between us. Oh, look. Am I an athlete? Well, my dad was a soccer player, and he was MVP on the Greek team. First, I love that there's just a Greek team. I don't know. The. Is it like, the Greek national team? Is it Olympics?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it a local. Is it just, like, a local Greek, like, organization? It's just the Greek team. There's only one Greek team in this world, and her dad was the MVP of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why do I feel like there wasn't even a Greek team? And Angie's. It was just regular soccer? It's like, go, Greek team. Go, Greek team.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, it was a lot. It's a clear lie. It was like, dad, where were you? Why are you late? I was. I was doing things for the. The Greek team. What? The Greek. I'm on the Greek team.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't question the Greek team.

[Ben Mandelker]

How long have you been on that? Long time. I'm. I'm. I'm mvp. Everyone loves me there. I have to go. That's very important. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what they say. It's a sin to question the Greek team. You can never question it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh. That's all I know. First rule of Greek team. Do not talk about Greek team.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we have this wacky scene with Angie getting a ball in the water and then trying to get it out very loudly, as Sean does. My favorite thing that Sean does, which is squats.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Adorable. My favorite. It's my favorite move that that man makes. And then we go back to the diamond, and they're now looking at 10 karat studs. And then we cut back to wacky volleyball rescue. Then back and forth, and then supposed.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be like, oh, my God, I can't believe they're, like, picking out jewelry while in the background, we hear a flap, flap, flap of Angie hitting the water with a paddle. And, like, Rocky, the angry jeweler has no time or patience for this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she was like, well, I'm gonna try them on, and we'll think about it, and we'll get back to Norman, okay? And Rocky's like, I'd pick them both. Shut up, Rocky. Is that your salesmanship? You've been Nothing but an. This entire time. No, you're not getting $19 trillion worth of commission. Rocky, you moody. Get away out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? Rocky deserves it. Because Rocky's like, wait, so you're gonna take them both and you're gonna get. You're just gonna get back to me? So I'm gonna be stuck here waiting for you to make a decision, and then I'm gonna have to drive back in Coachella traffic? No, thank you, ma'am.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, that's true. Brown was like, oh, have fun. There's a little motel down the street. I think you're gonna love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I skipped yoga for this. Okay, I was just getting back on the horse, and now it's ruined because of you. Bye, boats.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Lisa and Meredith talking about lunch, and, you know, know, where's Seth? And he's working. You know, he's always working guys, just working, working, working, working. And then look who comes out. It's Seth. Actually, here he is. He's like, I was looking all over for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's like, I was looking all over. And Meredith's like, well, what is that? He's like, it's a martini kalamata. I don't even know what a kalamata is. I'm like, are you serious? We actually have a Greek reference on here. And Angie is nowhere to be seen. What is happening on this show?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they do Cheers is. And Seth's like, it's so awesome to be hanging out with you guys Now, Meredith, I've got some bad news. Oh, God. What is it? Jesus has come down and canceled all bat mitzvahs. Wait, that is terrible news. I'm just kidding. I have to go home tomorrow to Ohio. Oh, what do you mean? We're having so much fun. I mean, you made that bat mitzvah joke. That was great. Remember when you went looking for bathtub? How could you do this to me?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, when you said you had some bad news, I thought you were going to say you bought four more of those. Those stupid hats you're wearing in the scene. God, how could you even. I'm sitting. I'm supposed to sit here praying for you to spend more time with me, but you got a bucket hat on. Do you know how ridiculous that makes me look? Like you look like that guy on Fat Albert.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like. And Lisa's like, yeah, but you know what? It's Sunday. You don't have to be back till Monday. And what about Tuesday? And he's like, well, I'm not getting from Palm Springs to Columbus, it requires a lot. Gotta fly to Minnie. Gotta go, you know, up, up the thing to the down. The thing around the thing, you know, it's Midwest. I never understood the Midwest. Please stop talking about. About the Midwest. Midwest. Corn on stocks. That's fresh. That is fresh right there. Get rid of them. Go home. Go already.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I told you. I. I told you that this was gonna be an overnight trip, and you were like, yeah, great, I'm coming. I'll be there. And then you've been gone for the past two weeks in Ohio, leaving me the single mother of a toddler at home in a ranchel in Salt Lake City. And you just getting yesterday, and now you're gonna go again. This is starting to feel like Toronto again. Which is my way of saying, you better say I'm sorry. Otherwise we're done.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, her whole ad doesn't add up thing. So do you think he's cheating or does she think he's cheating or.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think she's just like, you're not spending time with me. And then you said you were gonna spend time with me. And then you're leaving Ohio, and I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, it doesn't add up. Means somebody's cheating.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, it could be that too. Who knows?

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. So that would be more fun. They're cheating.

[Ben Mandelker]

Their marriage is in trouble. It's a disaster.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you, Ben. Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

A toddler lies in the balance.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, you know, there. She's mad, and she's like, I get frustrated because I just feel like it's two days. It's not that big of a deal. And he. They talk about this a lot. So then Seth and John walk away, and Seth's like, whoa, lesson learned. When they're in bikinis, laying in a beautiful spot, they're at their best. Am I right? And women, am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Kind of like I'm at my best in this sweet, sweet bucket hat, just like a proper Gen Z. Am I right? So Meredith is really not happy at this. At. About this at all. And, you know, she's like, wow, it's supposed to be a Cobblestreet. I just, you know, I just. I got frustrated because it's like. It feels like it's two days. And no, nobody appreciates working hard more than me. You know that. But it's taking its toll on me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Angie and Whitney and Bronwyn sitting around, and Andrew's like, you know, it was really hard. And I walked out, and I was like, where should I go? I looked over there. I wasn't feeling welcome vibes. So here I am. Because she's referring to the ladies talking amongst themselves and she wasn't feeling welcome. So we can say, yeah, well, I was thinking of going over there and sitting down, but then I realized sometimes shipping just takes nine to 12 weeks. And it's really hard to tell people why that is. Condom. Ali. Bomb. Bomb. Damn it. I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're. They're talking about how like it's. There's like a strange tension because like, Lisa and Meredith are on one side of the pool, the other women are on the other, and no one's like, talking. And Bronwyn is saying how she was like, like this. The separation is strange. So Whitney's like, I feel like someone has to break the ice. And she's like, I can break a plate. It's like, oh, oh, oh, oh. A plate made of ice. And Brahma's like, okay, you know what? This is getting out of control. Okay. Todd just went to do a phone call because he's always doing work. I just want to point that out. And then we see the men are playing cornhole, which is cute. And they're. The men are all getting along, but there's tension amongst the women.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Whitney's like, well, there's kind of like another reason it's awkward. It's because Lisa wants an apology from Justin, and Justin and I both agree that Justin didn't do anything wrong. So she should apologize to my husband and Justin should apologize. Wait a minute. Justin is your husband? What? Justin is your husband. What's your point?

[Ben Mandelker]

Justin should apologize to Bobby because he drove her golf cart across state lines and that's illegal.

[Ronnie Karam]

What? Well, Whitney wants an apology from Lisa and Lisa wants an apology from Justin. I just don't know if there's a fourth person in this equation. So maybe that's a triangle and not a box. Okay, I'm just not good with geometry. I don't know. But I'm gonna tell you this. If Lisa wants to give someone an apology, first she would have to admit, God forbid that she was wrong. And Lisa will not do that. I'm telling you right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Bronwyn's like, well, maybe these apologies can all cancel each other out. And she's like, hahaha. I know, right? Right. Okay, I'm. In case it hasn't been said for 45 million times, we need to break the ice. So I'm going to grab some shots and do the right thing. And serve Vita Tequila shots. So they go and they all. She pours all these shots of Vita tequila and she comes on out. And now at this point, they're all, like, sitting all together in the hot tub and everything, and she brings out all these shots and everything. And then everyone toasts. And she's sort of awkward. And the women are all sitting there hating each other and also hating that they're drinking pita tequila. They're like, really? How much longer does this have to go on? Can we get to Patron again? What happened?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's a pretty awkward time. I was like. And it gets so bad that Lisa's like, meredith, I think maybe now's the time to start with your ear, your hearing aids, your hearing aids storyline. So Meredith is like, oh, ladies, I got hearing aids. And everything you guys have been saying about I'll now be able to hear.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm actually very excited about my hearing aids. They did my test. They said I do have hearing loss, and they recommended hearing aids. Now, of course, I did my hearing test while I was under the water in a bathtub, so maybe that impacted it, but either way, it's the best thing I ever did. And they also work as AirPods, so I can listen along with Brooksy as we watch Blues Clues. It's really wonderful.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then the men in the pool. Seth's like, hey, guys, here's one thing I'll tell you. One thing I've always said is you can judge a straight dude by his wife and period. And you know, he crushed it. He crushed it. We all crushed it. We're all. We're all hitting above our weight, guys, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Todd's like, oh, I got a different board. I think they can kick. They out kicked their coverage. Hey, I didn't know it was so hot in Korea.

[Ronnie Karam]

Am I right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sandy? Sandy here in Korea. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go back to the ladies, and Lisa's like, oh, my God, you guys. Has anyone talk to Heather? Because I think that what's her buns. Bronwyn has gotten up to go pee pee. She's like, I gotta. So she leaves. So they're talking about Heather now. And now they all just miss Heather so much. And Lisa's like, I just feel kind of sad that she's not here. I feel bad for her. I feel so, so bad. Yeah, Well, I know that Bronwyn tried to apologize and repair it and find a path forward. I didn't hear the same story from Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, of course not. They're all, like, sad that Heather's not here. That's because Brahma's like, you. I'm mad. Like, you did something. You. You spoke about me, and you've spread lies about me. And I would like you to apologize. And Heather's like, that's outrageous. Heather was not willing to apologize for being messy the way that Brahman was. And then it's like, oh, I feel bad that Heather was in here. All she had to do was apologize and be the bigger person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or Bronwyn could have been the bigger person and said, you know what? I'm hosting my first group trip as my first year on the show. I. I think we got off on a really bad foot. I'm sorry I got shady with you. I don't even need an apology from you. Just come on the group trip, and we'll try and, like, have a bonding moment. Like, why is it always up to the poor people to be the bigger ones? You know? I agree that Heather's wrong in the Bronwyn situation, but again, I don't like a newbie coming on and then deciding cast trips and this and that because it's more boring without Heather. It just is. This would be more. I was about to say this would be more better. Okay, I'm blaming my grammar on this Bronwyn situation. Okay. I think this would be better with a fight with Heather. It would be great. And then all the ladies could be in there fighting about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, I always like all cast members to be on a cast trip. I don't like when someone's not on it. I don't like when someone's iced out. I did not think that this was a boring episode, though. I personally was like. I wasn't like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not saying it's a boring episode. I'm saying it would have been more fun if Heather was. They're literally sitting around, like, with nothing to do and nothing to say until they're all terrified because Bronwyn's so rich. Until Bronwyn goes to the bathroom. Now they can all talk about. Try and start some mess. You know what I mean?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, well, Lisa. Lisa's like, where was it? Okay. She's like, well, when I talked to, I heard a whole different story. And Whitney's like, well, they're saying the exact same thing about each other. And Lisa's like, well, you know what? I think it's better that Heather just speaks for herself. And, you know, I, like, I don't feel comfortable. I, like, I don't want to get into this game. Of telephone. So I'm literally gonna pick up my telephone and start some games. Okay, let's call Heather. So I don't want to play a game of telephone. So let's get out. Let's get there on the telephone, and then we can just tell Bronwyn what Heather said on the telephone.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Andy's like, look, I do miss Heather, but I'm not dumb enough to pick up the phone and call her on a trip that broadest. Bronwyn is hostessing. No way. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they call up Heather, and, you know, Angie's basically saying, like, this is a double standard because, like, if you had called Lisa's mortal enemy, you'd be in the pool right now. And she's right. So. Yes, but this is Lisa Barlow. This is how Lisa Barlow is. Which is why Lisa's hilarious, because she's. Lisa's so shady and so messy. So she goes, hi. Hi, Heather. Everybody says that they wished you were here, except for Todd. Todd says, where can I get some bulgogi? I don't even know what that means.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we were talking about why you weren't here, and Bronwyn's like, oh, so we're doing this right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why are we doing this? Should I leave? Should I leave my own house? And Whitney is like, I don't know. I guess because you were gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess because everyone said we should call Heather because Bronwyn's not here, and we're all team Heather. I don't know. Maybe they said that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh, we miss you, Heather. She's like, oh, my God. Have so much fun. It looks gorgeous, everybody. And Bronwyn's like, I am furious when I find out that she's on the phone with Heather. Like, up until this point, I've been like, maybe I did something wrong. Maybe I did something meaner than I remember. Maybe Lisa and I are in a weird place. No, this dead ass wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, you know, Bronwyn's mad, because Bronwyn's biggest mad tell is that she starts nodding excessively. Even when she's not even talking, she just sits there and just starts nodding. It's like Brahman. Are you okay? Are you happy? I'm just gonna nod. I'm gonna nod very slowly while my chest turns a little bit red. Maybe I'll curl my upper lip over my lower lip. I'm fine. I'm fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I just. It feels a little weird when I went to the bathroom and then you guys called Heather, and Lisa's like, well, I just. I just feel like we're. I just feel like we're telling her we mess her. Like, I think we all mess her and we wish that things were better with you guys. Well, I invited Heather over with the intention very clearly to fix it with her so that Heather could come. And it feels a little shady to call her and be like, we miss you. We miss you so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we're just sad that she's not here. And that's all it is. Where you can get mad. If I call up my toddler and ask, who's the cutest little boy in the world? I'm allowed to do that too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I'm sad that Heather's not here without a relationship. What does that mean that Heather's single anyway and this is a couple's trip. Or is she just saying, well, I'm sad that Heather won't have a relationship with me?

[Ben Mandelker]

I am not sure. It felt sort of like a half baked disc. It felt like a disc that didn't quite land. So then everyone just kept moving forward.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want to know what it means. Was that a person this ma'am, Because I'm not having it brought.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I said as someone who knows exactly how to make a half baked, that everyone moves on as gentlemen who.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cook half baked cookies all day on this show. We're so happy we own stock in Ben and Jerry's at this point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I wish. So Bronwyn's like, like, you know, I don't care if you bleed Heather over me. It's just kind of weird that you came if you do. And like. But I also think you and I have a long relationship, Lisa. And I don't just listen when someone talks poorly about you. I don't. Yeah, well, I don't think she was talking poorly about you. She just said you're a piece of person who's trying to ice her out of her the show that she started and that you deserve to die and that she was the one who invented receipts, proof, timeline, etc, and like, where have you come up with a cool line that has been said in Congress? Okay, but that's it. I don't think she was talking yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, well, you assumed that I invited Heather over to have a fight with her so she couldn't come on a trip Because I'm just. What, Lisa, just say it. No, but you did have her over to force an apology or you were going to withhold a trip. It's just, it's weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? You know what? Bronwin, you're being like, Italian food right now. Fresh. Okay? You're putting words in my mouth, and I didn't say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're basically putting lettuce out of the ground in my mouth right now. How dare you. And Bronwyn's like, actually, no, I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm asking you, is that what it was? Because I don't hear a lot of words coming out of your mouth. And that does kind of bother me because these two and a lot of other people can attest that words actually do come out of my mouth. And when someone speaks about you, they do, because someone speaks about you, and words come out, and someone speaks about me, and words do not come out. So where are the words, Lisa? Where are the words?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see a flashback of when they went on a hike last week. And, you know, Whitney and Anti Angie were talking about Lisa. And Bronwyn's like, oh, that's too bad, because that's not been my experience with her. So Bronwyn is like, you know, you think at some point, if I wasn't owed loyalty because of our friendship, I'd probably have bought it by now with this trip I'm taking her on.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, there we go.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'd liked it. It's like, yeah, we have it. I mean, at least I'm paying for. For you. Come on, be nice for me. At least for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's what she. That's how she's used to getting her way now, you know? And what's so funny about this is Lisa is such a stubborn asshole and causes so much trouble and will never apologize. And we're seeing like, she's someone who's. Will not be told no, basically. And now we're seeing that Bronwyn is also someone that you just don't tell Bronwyn no. She's a freaking billionaire, dude. Like, people. She's used to people just licking her ass. So to come a crew, a bunch of all these ladies where she's talking in her sternest mom voice, like, I'm giving you a chance to apologize or you. You're going to get out this car before we get McDonald's, ma'am. Like, she's trying that and it's just not working. These people don't give a. They're like, have fun. You're on Housewives now. Suck up. We don't respect anyone. Put the Pope on this show. We'll kick him in the balls in two seconds.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, you don't have to be the same friend that I am. We all show it in our own ways. But it's starting to feel a little bit odd to me that you're so tight with Heather. I'm gonna bounce my head a little bit forward now. I'm not just nodding. I'm bouncing it forward at you a little bit. Like it's a little. Little red bouncy ball coming at you, coming and coming back. And you're so tight with Britney. But never once when Britney has yelled at me, have you called me the next day and said, are you cool? Are you fine? Do you feel okay? Never once when Heather and I have had a problem have you called me and said, are you cool? Are you fine? Do you feel okay? Never once have you just even pretended you had a plate of bulgogi for Todd when he thinks he's in Korea. Not once. Months.

[Ronnie Karam]

And the guys, by the way, are over there watching this. And John's like, I'm not gonna say a word. And Seth's like, not my business. That's not my business. What's Whitney wearing? Justin's like, I don't want to have anything to do with that. And I was like, this is stupid. I don't like it. This is like when they came out with those phones that you don't gotta plug into a wall. How's that working?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't care if you're my wife or if you're Beverly Sills. No yelling in the hot. So Meredith mar's like, le.

[Ronnie Karam]

But especially Beverly Seals.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? I actually do care of your Beverly Sills, and I don't want her in my hot tub. No Beverly Seals allowed. Maria, call me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Meredith is like, well, Lisa, listen to Heather's feelings. She did not throw you on.

[Ben Mandelker]

But did she defend me? Well, to the. To the extent that I think she can, which is not at all. And she's like, well, Bronwyn has never thrown you under the bus, just so you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn's like, well, here's the thing. You don't have to defend me, but if you don't defend me, and then you tell me that this is Heather's feelings, and then the second I have to take a leak, you call Heather broad one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so glad you invited Ma. And I'm so glad I'm here. And I came as your friend. And I also listened to my other friend who is speaking to me out of her just how I felt hurt when I went to an Italian restaurant in Italy and had to eat fresh food. That hurt.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, bro, think that you should check on Bronwyn before you go on a trip with her. She's like, oh, did you check on me? Whitney and I. Whitney and I went to blows. I feel like Whitney's lying about Nate. Did you check on me? She goes, I absolutely did. And let's let the cameras show. And so we see a flashback of when all that went down. Bronwell went over and said, are you okay? But did you call her and check on her? I mean, this is, like, so ridiculous. These people are so crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, this is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa started it, though, by calling. She called. She started it by making that phone call. But I think that Lisa, for Lisa, is actually staying somewhat calm in this and just being like, that's my friend, but I still respect you. I think Lisa's not acting like too much of an asshole in this particular, particular moment. Although she was an by doing that call, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, this is a classic Salt Lake City Real Housewives fight, which is like, I'm your ride or die. You didn't stand by me, Are you. You didn't ride or die for me. I wrote. I wrote and died for you. Like, it's. This show's all about people demanding extreme loyalty in every situation. And Brahman's just really just. She's just sticking herself into a long line of these arguments. So Brahman's like, before I left Angie's house, I looked both you and John in your face and said, are you guys cool? And then you start to say something, and I was already out the door, so I don't really know what you said, but I assume you're okay. Anyway, I don't want to leave if. I don't want to leave if you guys are upset. Is there anything else? I said all these things, and this is like, no, there's nothing more. Okay, but we didn't have a conversation, and you didn't say, hey, girl, this girl's calling you a liar.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so then Todd's like, oh, you know, she's getting pretty wound up over there. There. We better get over there. And Todd's like, well, why don't we call. Talk. Todd says something. Ladies, why don't we just call Heather on one of the phones that you plug in and abs like, we dead, Todd. That's why we're fighting. Thank you, though. I am Greek. He's like, God damn. A Greek lady. Seriously, She's a one woman moonstruck. Get her out of my Pool.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa, Lisa comes over to right.

[Ronnie Karam]

By Brahman space how you did that moon movie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't you dare speak about Queen Olympia that way. So Lisa's like, okay, you know what? I want to speak for myself, okay? I don't want anyone else in between. I will sit over here because I'm not gonna have a million other people in between it. You know what? Because I'm your friend and I did listen to Heather's perspective.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but whether Heather's, I mean, Bronwyn just goes off, she has a monologue and she's like, well, Heather is allowed to tell you how she feels about me. And you guys have to listen. But I'm not allowed to tell anybody how I feel. And Heather's saying promotes two faced prom ones. Untrustworthy Brahman. This Brahm was saying, I want to be friends with Heather. I tried to apologize to Heather. That's what's happening. I mean, listen to the difference. And Heather's talking shit talking me or shit talking someone else while I'm trying to fucking fix it. And everybody thinks Heather's the one that's missed. Well, figure it out, Lisa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, okay, you know what? I don't want to fight with you about Heather and Heather being okay. You know, I just don't want to do this. I don't want to be in involved, okay? I listen to Heather because she's like my friend and I listen to you and I think the bottom line is you and Heather need to work stuff out, okay? And like I don't like when people get involved in my stuff, okay? I don't want to deal with all this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Lisa, she's like, lisa, this is a double standard because you're telling me when she says something about you, I should call and check on you. But when Heather and I have an argument, I'm supposed to work it out with Heather. Yeah, but you didn't call Lisa and check on her her when she had a problem. And Lee, I don't know, this whole thing is giving me when it's me and somebody else going on, but I'm just like, oh God, it's too much.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she just gets up and it's like, when it's me and somebody else, it's my responsibility to work it out. But when it's you and someone else, my ass better ride your dick like it's my job. Lisa. She walks away. I loved it. I thought it was great. I thought it was a great Bronwyn moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn, she's like, you know, we've known each other for years, but this trip is a turning point for me. And Lisa's not mourning this crack in our relationship. Lisa is jamming down this crack to make the divide bigger. How big is this crack going to get?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Lisa, like, I have never asked for this. So, like, this just, like, amazing. Okay? I didn't do anything wrong, so I don't feel, like, even, like, a little bit bad. And, like, she'll hear from Heather and they'll work it out, and, like, everyone could apologize to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Lisa, I'll just be up here waiting for your apology. So then Whitney comes to check on Bronwyn because she is a good friend, guys, and she's also got someone to work against, both Lisa Barlow and Heather with her. So she's loving this, you know, And Bronwyn is saying she's still fuming. You know, she's like, well, I. No one is on my side, and I need them to say it was wrong of Heather to storm out, blah, blah, blah. And those two, you know, I don't need. I don't need them to give me a pity of join on my trip. I mean, if they were truly neutral, they wouldn't be saying, well, here's why this went weird with Heather. I mean, why do you say that to Heather? I know Bronwyn. She's very direct. If it went sideways, you must have said something to her. That's what they should have said to Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. This is between Bronwyn and Heather, so I don't know who is wrong here, but I can see how Bronwyn is really hurt that Lisa is now the spokesperson for Nine Wendy's, McDonald's. Heather Gay. Coca Cola. Am I supposed to say more? Oh, like, if Lisa could just stay out of it, like, this wouldn't even be a thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I feel like for me, I can be a good friend. But if I didn't, I didn't hear from Bronman and she didn't say, Heather came to my house and she has this and this. But how can I say to Heather, you're wrong. Your feelings are wrong. No, I don't believe you. I would never. I would never. So then back with Bronwyn, she's still fuming and going off on why Lisa's wrong. And she's basically, what this all comes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Down to is like, I've known Lisa for like, 12 years or whatever it is, and we're really good friends, and I have a beef with Heather, and Lisa is basically taking Heather's side or is like. Is like not standing by my side blindly. And I'm mad because I've brought her to this nice ass place and she's still gonna be like, you know, check, like, cares more about Heather than me right now. That's basically what. What Bronwyn. And that's why she's so pissed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but Lisa also has a very close relationship with Heather. I mean, if your two friends are having a stupid fight, I mean, Bronwyn's already admitted Heather went shit talked her and made her look stupid in front of everybody. And then so Bronwyn got revenge by doing the exact same same thing to Heather last week when she told everybody what Heather was blabbing about and she said it was shady, but I was just getting revenge, so sue me, you know, and it was kind of fun and funny, but now she's acting like, oh, she just. How could Heather treat her like this? And nobody understands stance. You guys are in the most petty fight of all time and they have to choose. Heather's the star of their show. She's one of the stars of their show. They've been through a lot together. No one's going to dump Heather because she got into an argument with you just because you're richer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think that, like, Lisa is totally entitled to call Heather because they are friends and she's allowed to talk. But the fact that, like, Lisa did it right there in the hot tub, knowing that Bronwyn's going to come back out any second, like, oh, Heather's on the phone. We just missed. Miss her. It's kind of like putting it just basically, it's putting Bronwyn in like, it's basically saying, like, Bronwyn, you're a. For not inviting Heather because we all miss Heather. God, we wish Heather were here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wrong. No, what Lisa did in that situation is completely wrong. I agree. Elisa was a. I think we actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

Agree with each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think my. Yeah, we agree with each other on that for sure. I'm not saying Lisa, I'm not sticking up for Lisa in that way. Lisa sucks for doing that. And Lisa does like that all the time. Time. I'm just saying for Bronwyn, Bronwyn's trajectory in general as a housewife, she's coming on and she's putting so many lines in the sand. In her first four weeks, her first five weeks, it's like, dude, you're. You're putting all these walls up between everybody. Like, you're so mortally offended with quite a few people now, and you've got these fucking lines in the sand, and you're. Soon you're gonna get yourself in the box. Because I can already tell, and I know you don't agree with this part, but I can already tell a difference in energy levels between this episode and the other episodes. It's like, it's a good episode, but it's just not as fun. And I think the more she starts walling people off and, like, having this where she's not going to invite that person because she's offended by everybody. I mean, someone like this is going to be offended by everybody by the end of the season, and there's going to be a moment where she's on an island alone, you know, and you can't just. You can't just wall off everybody all the time, especially when you're a newbie, you know, I just think it doesn't help the energy. But I agree that in this situation, she's got a point with everything. I just don't like the way she's really going about it. And she's got zero chill. It's like, babe, it's episode eight.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's great. I love that she has zero chill. I think, like, you know, after Monica, we're like, monica came in hot mess was crazy, captivated all of our attention, and then she was gone. She burned too bright. She was gone, like, wow, they're really not gonna be able to follow that up. And they're like, they found someone who was able to be a disruptor but without being a hot mess. And I'm like, that's really cool. Because otherwise it'd be stuck with, like, a British Brittany. And, like, Britney's like, you know, amusing in her own Britney way, but she's sort of like. She's like an empty husk of a woman. And like, you know, instead, Broman is, like, fascinating and interesting. And even if she does do all the things that. That you say she's gonna do, which very well could happen. I'm not saying that you're wrong on that point. She is remarkably upset and has no chill. And I'm like, that's what I like about her. She has no chill, and she's agitating people, and she's, like, getting under people people's skins. And I. And she's creating, like, real dynamics. Because you saw in the beginning of the season when it was, like, auditions and they were kind of like, the show was kind of like, throwing a lot of at the wall to see what was gonna stick you, that Britney Come on. Like, everyone's coming out, doing their song and dance. It was like the auditions for the choir all over again. And it was like. It was amusing, but none of this felt, like, real. Like, Angie pulls out a scroll. Whitney and Meredith have a fight about bath bombs. Like, okay, what's going on with the season? It's funny, but what's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

But then.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then Bronwyn comes through, and it's like, oh, she's created real dynamics happening with these people. So I'm totally down for the Bronwynization of the season. Maybe I'll eat my words, and I will be happy to do so. It's not the first time, but I. I'm. I'm down. I am down with the Bronwyn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then Todd is like, what's happening? And Whitney's like, I'll give you a moment to speak in private. She gets the hell out of there. And then Ron was like, yes, please give us a moment. But, Whitney, thank you for checking on me. Todd. Todd. He's like, I told you I wasn't going to deal with all these people. I told you specifically her that I wouldn't do it. And either I could leave or they could leave, and I'm getting there. And she's like, and I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, I know, Todd. I know. Here's a Werther's thank you. And I should just tell John and Lisa they should just leave. Give them. Y'all give them some money. Get him a car and say, get the hell out of here and take Beverly Sills with you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. He's like, I'll give him some money and give them a car. They can leave and promote. Like, maybe I should tell them because I'm a little bit nicer than you. And she's like, he can be an asshole, but he is my night and shining asshole. You know what I mean? Like, he's riding into battle for me, and I just. I appreciate Todd coming to my rescue, you know? Now, maybe it would be better with the Nerf gun and not a machete, but Todd's a machete kind of a person, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, I'm not gonna do it, okay? I'm not gonna sit through this all weekend. This is. So he goes outside, he goes up to John, and so he's like, all right, dude. This, like, how I said, dude. It's a new word up in here. And so this is getting out of control. Lisa and Brin and John's like, oh, what's going on? Oh, the. I told Brahman I wasn't coming to spend a weekend here and sit through a bunch of arguments. So it's gotta stop. Lisa's gotta stop. Beverly's gotta stop. Someone's gotta stop. Otherwise, I'm gonna stop having you guys here.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, he basically just fires him. He's like, here's what's gonna happen. Your wife better cut the crappy around. John's just like, I'll go talk to Lisa.

[Ben Mandelker]

So if these numbers don't go up.

[Ronnie Karam]

By March, you're all fired. Okay? Now get to work. So he does. And then Bronwyn and Todd are talking again, and she's like, so what happened with John? Did you figure it out with John? What happened? He's like. I said, we're not going to deal with this. And he said, I'll go talk to Lisa. I've had enough of this. I've had whole weekends worth in three hours. And she's like, yeah, yeah, okay, honey. And so John goes in and he's like, wow, what's going on with you and Broadwin? Because Todd just came in pretty heated. Something about. About winning Korea, no matter the cost. Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Broman's like, you're not having my side with Heather. But I'm like, heather's my friend too, and she's also the star of our show, and she's more established in television, and she expressed her feelings with me, too. So I'm like, it's all confusing. Why? What did Todd just say to you?

[Ronnie Karam]

He just said, bronwyn's really upset. And he said that if it can't be settled, then he wants us to go. I love that they act. Act like we are bringing you to Palm Springs. How dare. It's not the Rio de Janeiro. It's fucking Palm Springs. Why are you guys acting like, is the Rio de Janeiro really nice? I'm imagining that's a very glamorous vacation. All right, think of somewhere it's not. Ibitha.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. I think Rio and Ibiza are both very nice places. Well, this is a nice. This is a nice ranch. I kind of enjoyed the way that John just. I mean, Todd came out, like you said, basically fired John. He's like, yeah, so you got stop doing this, otherwise you gotta go. He's just like, boom, that's it. And you're all fired. It was just so cut and dry, and it's just. It was amusing to me. And, you know, John's like, okay, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

John's like, how many people do I need to be terrified of on this trip? Like, please, I'm already terrified of Lisa. Can we just let me have my terrifying Lisa moments and not add to my villain, you know, Geez.

[Ben Mandelker]

John's hiding some like fresh basil and like, like recently sourced mozzarella and like. Oh God, they caught me. I just want to have a piece, some piece of fresh Italian food. Oh, seriously, everyone's mad at me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh my gosh. All right, everybody. Well, that brings us to the end of the episode. Go ahead and go to our Patreon if you would like the video version of this. Also go to Patreon if you'd like our bonuses this weekend or this week as we said is a Salt Lake City preview. That's the new real estate show. I don't know if Lisa Barlow has something to do with this show or if she's just on it a couple of times, but it's a pretty funny preview with crazy faced rubber faced people. Go check that out and we will be back next time. Okay, bye guys. Bye.

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