#2616 RHOP 0906: The First Crack

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2616 – RHOP 0906: The First Crack

Release Date: November 11, 2024

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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Episode Overview

In episode #2616 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest happenings of Bravo’s Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP). Titled "The First Crack," this episode dissects the intricate relationships, dramatic confrontations, and personal revelations of the Potomac housewives. Ben and Ronnie provide their trademark blend of humor, critique, and affectionate mockery, offering listeners both entertainment and insightful commentary on the show’s developments.

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Main Discussions

Wendy’s Birthday Extravaganza

The episode kicks off with a focus on Wendy’s seemingly endless birthday celebrations. Ronnie humorously laments the over-the-top nature of Wendy’s festivities, contrasting it with his own modest birthday preferences:

Ronnie Karam [04:47]: "I don't do this at all. I'm like, you want to go to Target? Maybe, maybe I'll ask somebody to Target on my birthday."

Ben connects this to a later moment in the RHOP episode where Wendy experiences a moment of self-realization:

Ben Mandelker [05:34]: "Wendy has this realization that she is enough. Like, she doesn't need all these things. She is enough."

Karen’s Opioid Addiction Revelation

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Karen’s casual mention of opioid addiction, leading to heated exchanges and concerns among the housewives. Ronnie critiques the handling of such a sensitive topic on camera:

Ronnie Karam [09:22]: "First of all, Karen, this is pretty low, okay, to bring up somebody's opioid addiction."

Ben and Ronnie explore the impact of Karen’s revelation on the group dynamics, highlighting Mia’s involvement and the ensuing drama:

Ben Mandelker [10:07]: "The poor Mia, she got so confused. She said she thought she was actually going to get a joint..."

Relationship Turmoil and Dating Disasters

The hosts delve into the tumultuous relationships portrayed in the episode, particularly focusing on Stacy’s relationship with TJ. They analyze the inconsistencies and red flags presented:

Ben Mandelker [28:10]: "I think the reason why Jassy was not chosen to be a Real Housewife is that this background situation is so messy."

Ronnie shares personal anecdotes to draw parallels with the show’s narratives:

Ronnie Karam [73:04]: "I've been married to a preacher, and he was still pulling this shit."

Business Ventures and Personal Struggles

Karen’s business endeavors, including her involvement with the "Joint Chiropractic" franchise, are scrutinized. Ben and Ronnie mock the exaggerated pride Karen displays regarding her business:

Ben Mandelker [46:37]: "It's acting like they're on a tour of the GM plant... It's just a joint chiropractic."

Ronnie adds to the satire by questioning the practicality and authenticity of Karen’s business claims:

Ronnie Karam [49:25]: "Like, let's just relax. It's a joint chiropractic."

Group Dynamics and Final Conflicts

As the episode progresses, tensions rise with confrontations over personal matters such as addiction, infidelity, and parenting responsibilities. Ben and Ronnie highlight the repetitive and sometimes nonsensical nature of the show’s conflicts:

Ben Mandelker [62:32]: "Who would you like to take a ferry with? Who would you fuck and who would you kill?"

Ronnie laments the overextended dialogues and the hosts' exhaustion with certain housewives' behaviors:

Ronnie Karam [74:13]: "She was so funny in this Scene."

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam [04:47]: "I don't do this at all... Maybe I'll ask somebody to Target on my birthday."

• Ben Mandelker [05:34]: "Wendy has this realization that she is enough. Like, she doesn't need all these things. She is enough."

• Ronnie Karam [09:22]: "First of all, Karen, this is pretty low, okay, to bring up somebody's opioid addiction."

• Ben Mandelker [28:10]: "I think the reason why Jassy was not chosen to be a Real Housewife is that this background situation is so messy."

• Ronnie Karam [46:37]: "I'm Dr. Chad. Nice to welcome to the joint."

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Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie offer a critical yet loving perspective on the unfolding drama of RHOP. They emphasize the absurdity of certain plot points, such as the exaggerated business successes and the sensational handling of serious issues like addiction. The hosts also reflect on the authenticity of the housewives' personal struggles, questioning the genuineness of their portrayals and the show's narrative choices.

Ben expresses appreciation for the season's direction, noting improvements in character introductions and group dynamics:

Ben Mandelker [18:54]: "This episode was a little Slam coming."

Ronnie and Ben conclude that while some aspects of the show may seem stretched or forced, the inherent drama continues to provide ample material for their discussions. They hint at future episodes that will delve deeper into unresolved conflicts and character developments, keeping listeners engaged and entertained.

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Final Thoughts

Watch What Crappens continues to deliver its unique take on Bravo’s lineup, blending humor with sharp observations. In this episode, Ben and Ronnie successfully navigate the complex web of relationships and conflicts within RHOP, offering both critique and camaraderie. Whether you're a die-hard fan or a casual observer, this summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, showcasing the hosts' ability to find humor and insight in the midst of reality TV chaos.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Happen. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandel and joining me today, Ronnie Carom. Hi, Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm doing great, thanks. Happy Veterans Day. It's Veterans Day here in the States. Did you have a nice weekend?

[Ronnie Karam]

I sure did. I built myself a new couch desk. So today I'm doing this from my new couch desk. Everybody. Hello out there. This is a new, more relaxed me today. Hope you enjoy it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm already thrilled by it. So today we are talking about the Real Housewives of Potomac. Before we get into that, we've got, we've got all our stuff on Patreon. You should go check out. We have just converted to a monthly, monthly setup. So now it's just when you, when you support all that stuff about like, oh, cap it, da da, da, da da, you don't have to worry. You can just support it. It's like every other Patreon that's out there now. There are a few little growing pains. So if you notice something strange with your billing, just message us on Patreon and we will tend to it because we're not trying to mess with anyone or anything. So go check that out and you can see our lovely faces. You can see Ronnie's brand new setup and his brand new microphone. And aside from that, you know, we got a fun week of recap. So let's dive into some Potomac, shall we?

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's do it, buddies. Well, it's still Wendy's birthday. Good Lord, how long has it been? Wendy's birthday? Jesus Christ is going to turn 50 by the time they stop celebrating this birthday. I don't understand this, lining people up to celebrate you like this. I don't do this at all. I'm like, you want to go to Target? Maybe, maybe I'll ask somebody to Target on my birthday. Maybe occasionally a happy hour or something. But the full on giving speeches and like, what you've done for me. No, I'm not doing that. The fuck out of here. I'm already buying you a present and probably your dinner. Okay, you don't get a speech. How about, ronnie bought my dinner tonight and here's why I love Ronnie. And then give a speech about me. Well, fuck am I giving you a speech for? You got all the presents. You got everything for free. Wow. You were born. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is funny because later in the episode, Wendy has this realization that, you know, she is enough. Like, she doesn't need all these things. She is enough. And then it's like. But also tell me all the good things about me because I'm like. I would say I'm 95% enough, but I need the other 5% filled in by you guys. So tell me all the great things I've done. Thanks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that was also interesting because she was like, well, you know, you guys have known me through so much. I had babies and then I've had all these business ventures, and now I realize I don't need business ventures. I'm enough. No. What happened to your candles? I want to know also, what's the truth about your assistant professorship or I want to know things. No one's enough. Base yourself on work only. I'm just kidding. I don't think this couch desk is working. I was supposed to be in a better mood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we open up the cliffhanger with Stacy sitting down. Karen. And saying, should I be worried about you? The girls are saying that you need to go to rehab. Should we be concerned? Karen. And Karen's like, thank you. Thank you, Stacy, for asking me. And no, no, you should not be concerned. The one who should be concerned is every traffic median in the country. Because you never know when I'm going to come for you. Don't speak bad about me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll tell you. You should be concerned. Dear. Dear. Who are trying to confuse me. Every time I go out on the road, I'm watching you, dear. And Jesse is like, so rehab isn't something that you feel like you need at all? No, people don't feel like they need rehab. They wake up there one day, probably tied to something, okay? No one just says, hey, you know what? I think? I feel I need rehab. No, you are dragged there by somebody, okay? Or you're. You're surrounded by family members with caring looks on their faces for some reason. And it turns out you've been fucking up, and then they put a sack over your head, and then you wake up next to Sandra Bullock for 28 days.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, I'm pretty sure the lyrics to the song are not. They tried to make me go to rehab. And I said, okay, hold on. Let me pack an overnight bag. Can you guys. What are my plans? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Luanne was on Watch what Happens Live with Stacy. They were very cute. They were an oddly cute couple. And Luan, you know, every question was, well, you know, I'm in a cabaret. I'm a cabaret star. So let me tell you a song that has something to do with this. Liza first sang it to me back when I was just a little babe, but she was on there, and she's like, you know, as I sing in my song, in my show, they tried to make me go to rehab. And I say, yes, yes, yes, because rehab's a vacation. You just sit. You just sit around there. Rehab's lovely. You just have you time. I was like, I don't think that you said, yes, yes, yes. When they send you to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you sure you didn't just go to a spa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Face and called him a pig and threatened to kill everybody, as I recall. But, you know, things are sure different when you tell them through musicals.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Stacy's like, and so you never told them that you wanted to go? And she's like, never. And Karen goes, well, let me ask you something, Aaron.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very. Karen is very open and honest about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who she is and what she has going on. And Karen's like, well, that doesn't really bother me because I am an advocate for people who, if we get sick, let's help, but let's not go to fundraisers in honor of them. And okay. And by the way, Mia has been to rehab herself, by the way. I just want to drop that one right in there. And they're like, what? She's. She's like, yes, yes, yes. She joined the joint. She. She started the joint practice because she had an opioid addiction. She was so high on OxyContin that she actually went and opened up a chiropractor's office. I mean, that truly is the only thing you do do when you're super high on drugs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Counted this. First of all, Karen, this is pretty low, okay, to bring up somebody's opioid addiction. Now, Mia goes so low all the time. Like, she's literally in the back googling right now all the charges so that she can read them while waving her finger around. So she kind of deserved it. But this is really low bringing up like this on camera. But second of all, yeah, I don't understand what Karen is like. She was so. She wasn't doing so much heroin, and that's why she opened a joint, chiropractic. Because really, at the end of the day, at least it had the word joint in it, and it wasn't heroin because she couldn't. You couldn't find a business called heroin to open. So she just opened something called joint and, you know, baby steps to recovery is what we call it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, the thing is, this poor Mia, she got so confused. She said she thought she was actually going to get a joint and said she opened a joint and then she just sort of went with it. But, you know, that's what opioid addiction's all about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, the first joint chiropractic was burnt down because Mia tried to smoke it. That was sad. Yeah. I shouldn't be saying that, should I? Well, pay back some me up.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kieran just stands up because Karen just mentions opioid addiction just so casually. That K. K was like, God damn it, Karen, Are you kidding me? Karen's like, no, I'm not going to sit here and act like that should unravel me when I know my truth, okay? I care what the final black and white is. Which is funny. That is. That is the color of the election sign I ran over on that traffic median. So, you know, and Stacy's like, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just can't believe this. Oh, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Opioid addiction? What Karen? And Karen's like, well, you know, Stacy tells us. She's like, I love Karen, but this is just too much at this point. I mean, now we're just throwing out opioid addiction. Mia may be a lot of things, but we're not gonna do that. We are not gonna do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, you will. You will. Welcome, Stacy. Welcome to Bravo. Well, you know what? My court date is in two weeks, and I know it's hard for you, as my friends, you know, to wait. And Stacy's like, well, it just. It hurt me to hear that about you. Yes, well, you know, look who you're talking to. You're talking to a woman who is sleeping with her boyfriend while her husband is in the house. With. I mean, are you kidding me? No, I'm good. Also, opioid addiction. Opioid induced joint opening. That's what that's happening there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Customers were saying that they were going into the joint, and Mia offered to do surgery, and she was taking out Discs and then trying to inject them. Karen, that is enough. Karen. She had to go to the hospital for trying to inject herself with spinal cord discs. I've heard enough.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia doesn't want to protect anyone. Mia wants to elevate herself. She'll step on Jesus to stand up. And I take this personally. Payback is a.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Kieran is like, I love you, Karen. She's like, I love you too, baby. I love you too. Such a long, long road of exposing heroin addiction. I need to lie down. So then Wendy's like, yeah, I feel like for my girls dealing with all this drama, but, you know, I'm in a birthday bubble because it's my birthday, so happy birthday to me. Yeah, we know. So then Ashley's FaceTiming Dylan, who is like, bubbles are my favorite. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she'll say, no, I'm slowly getting used to being a single mom.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, like, I'm going out with my.

[Ben Mandelker]

Friends and I'm traveling and I'm establishing healthy routines for my son, you know, and then we see like her son, her three year old son on top of the car, on the car roof, in the garage, just flopping around. I was like, is this. What part of this is the healthy routine? You remind me. It's like, cut to him like juggling knives.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, we have to get him used to living in the same neighborhood as Karen. So, you know, what do you do when you're on top of a windshield and can't get off, you know, color. That's what I say. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Also, I love that. Ashley's like, oh, you know, I'm just getting used to be a single mom. So I'm traveling a lot and I'm going out with my friends. Oh, okay. That sounds like a wonderful version of single motherhood. I haven't, I haven't heard of that one. You guys, I'm a single mom now. Vacation time. Yeah. Night out with the girls. Party. Single mom party.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then now a bunch of the women are sitting at the pool and Stacy's. They're talking about what they're gonna be doing today. Stacy's like, so are we just getting adjustments today? I mean, because I haven't gotten an adjustment in a long time. And, you know, I'm sure they were all dying to make a joke about that, but Karen is like, you know, well, I'm actually, you. I'm, I'm. I actually used to support me as businesses. You know, I had a joint membership and we See flashbacks of Karen going to the opening of the joint. I still find this to be so funny. And even on this episode, the way that Mia talks about opening up, like, a chiropractic office is like. She acts as if she's opened up an orphanage in a remote country for real time.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like Oprah's school for girls in Africa. She's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every single time. She was literally acting. I mean, look, it's. The chiropractor. Offices are helpful, you know, but, like, the joint is kind of just like one of those generic businesses that's in a strip mall, you know? And, like, it has its utility. I've gone several times. I. I have a joint member. I used to be a joint member. And then I was like, I don't need to. I don't need to be on this. Like, they make you, like, sign up for, like, a monthly thing. I'm like, I'm not going once a month. This is stupid. And the receptionist had bad, bad breath, and you have to go in and talk with her. And I was like, oh, it was like being. Getting mustard gas in your face every time. I was like, you know what? I don't think I need the joint anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

You need a little, you know, Mentos chiropractic, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yes, then point is that she's acting like she's, like, really saving the world by opening up, like, a Jamba Juice or something like that. It's like, no. Like, let's just relax. It's like it's a joint chiropractic.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Karen. We see a flashback to 2021, when supportive Karen was getting her back cracked, and they were really cracking that thing. I mean, Jesus Christ. It was like. I was like, did somebody pour some Rice crisp some milk over some Rice Krispies? What the is going on over there? It's like, throw three little guys with dippity do hair just started dancing around her, you know? So that's a lot of snap, crackle, and pop in there. And then. So Pop.

[Ben Mandelker]

They just. There's no. It's now it's only snap and crackle. Did you hear about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

What happened to Pop?

[Ben Mandelker]

He was run over by Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very sad, but did they really discontinue Pop?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, but you set that up beautifully. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can't tour with me like that. I'm like, what Pop do to get canceled? God, we're just canceling everybody. You can't even make some of the popping sound on cereal anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he should have been at the cereal factory. Not walking on a traffic meeting in.

[Ronnie Karam]

The middle of the night.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not my fault he was there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm suing him for giving me this problem with the police. You know, it's Pop's problem that I have problems with. Popo.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't. Let me tell you one thing. You can't spell opioid without Pop. Sort of. He was high. High as a kite on that median. Wasn't my fault. I. In fact, I swerved to avoid him. But then I wanted to pity him instead. It wasn't my fault. It was self defense.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, gosh. So, yeah, it's like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then Karen just goes, I'm real.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm real. She's real.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's real, guys. So then Jesse comes out to show to join them, and she's like, this is why I come to Lake Norman to be in a bikini. And so she goes into the pool and they're like, oh, my God, she's even hotter when she's wet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was the point of this that she was thinking that she was gonna jump into the pool and still be kind of like above the water? Like, she thought it was gonna be like the shallow end, but it was actually the deep end. So she wound up going all the way underwater because everyone was like, oh, my God. And they even used this in the trailer. I think of someone just like plopping into the water and we were like, oh, and I wonder if that was it. If maybe was that. What's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Why was. They didn't get it? I was just gonna skip over that because they did do weird things where everybody was horrified and maybe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I was wondering if it was your hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

So hard to do your hair later or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what I was thinking.

[Ronnie Karam]

But yeah, they were all like, oh, my God, she jumped in the water. And then Ashley was like, I wanted to play the Jaws music. I was like, that's not the Jaws music, man. She's like, she's playing like 76 trombones. I was like, I don't think you ever Jaws maybe. But she's like, yeah, that's the Jaws music. Because that was scary. So I don't know. I don't know what happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they did. They did. Like, this was a moment. Okay, I'm gonna. By the way, let me just say something. I have been so thrilled with the season of Potomac so far. It has been so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

This episode was a little Slam coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

This was at least a poetry slam.

[Ben Mandelker]

This. This. What this to me was. I was like, okay, this is one of those episodes where they need to fill it up so that way they can end it. They can end the episode. They don't have quite enough content to get to the end of the trip, so they're going to stretch everything's birthday, and so it's her birthday. But the moment I started to realize that that's what this was going on with this episode was when Jassy went into the pool, and then we had, like, 45 seconds of, like, Jaws and, like, the pool, like, pool commentary. I was like, oh, they got nothing this episode. Okay. It's one of these episodes. Got it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So they start kind of rehashing different stuff from the day. Like, oh, my gosh, you talks on FaceTime the most with their partner. You guys, it might be Stacy, because Stacy loves to FaceTime with her partner. And then we see clips of that where he's like, hi, hello there, friend and only friend. God, glad you're not here, because I am only having to figuratively hold you at arm's length. How's it going over there? And she's like, I just can't wait to see you. I'm so excited to stick my. To stick your. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not going there yet, right? All right. I don't know. I don't know that I'm ready for that, but I should.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't take anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was also on. Watch what happens. He was the bartender, and he was back there just looking cute as day with see through, you know. You know, West Hollywood rave shirt on.

[Ben Mandelker]

See through shirt on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Who is wearing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it had, like, a pattern on it of, like, velvet or something. It was like black velvet. And then see through. And I was like, wow, way to dispel those rumors, sir. Really? Wait until. Spell all that. But, you know, Stacy's. He's really cute, though. And Stacy is gorgeous. Yeah, I definitely.

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw her. I saw her and I was like, wow, she's a knockout. But she's definitely like, you know, like, if you had never told me she had worked on qvc, I'd be like, this person works on qvc. And I don't mean that as an insult. I mean, like, she just is, like, so telegenic and TV ready. And, like, she is just, like, she knows all her angles. She knows the camera and everything. I'm like, wow, this. This person knows. Knows what they're doing on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's true. And she's also just so funny. I mean she was really funny and really charismatic and I think I that her morning show stuff probably pays off here too because like, I guess she's a morning show person. But yeah, she's, she was great. She was really, really funny and she handled all the questions great.

[Ben Mandelker]

So anyway, by the way, a very good job with newbies this season. I think Stacy has been great. I think obviously we have our Bronwyn discussion and then there's there was someone else. Oh Talene on Dubai. Goodbye Dubai btw. Goodbye Dubai week. And there were some other newbies. I can't remember but I just remember feeling like, like, okay, Bravo is doing a nice job.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think Stacy's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So anyway, Jassy is. So Stacy is talking about how she's like, you know, the feelings I have for tj. I miss him when I don't talk to him. We pray together, we talk about our future plans together, we work out together. We don't talk about things together. I just want to introduce him to Arabella one day.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jazzy's like, that's some real feelings right there. Why? Why? Because she wants to introduce to the daughter one day. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like. It's like basic entry level things you would want out of relationship. You know, like having feelings and missing each other. That's some real right there. You're actually. Wait a second. You guys talk. You guys talk about plans. That is a real relationship, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, just like, super basic stuff. But, you know, I guess the thing that bothers me, and it's not really religion, because, you know, I get it, and I think that people who are religious, of course, they would pray together at some point, but I just feel like that's just not a new dating thing to do. But I guess I've never really met anybody at church. Like, you want to pray together? What are you doing tonight? You want to pray together? No, not really. Can we go to a movie or something? Like, that's the ultimus, the ultimate and cheap dating, you know? You want to get together and pray? No, I can do that on my own, you know? Do you want to get together to poop? That's just like basic maintenance stuff. You know what I mean? I don't need you here, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Karen is like, and you'll be divorced when? And Stacy's like, well, you know, I really don't have an answer for that because we have agreed. We have not agreed on all the things we need to agree on. And, well, you know, Ashley can tell you about that. Right, Ashley, what's going on with you? And Ashley's like, yes, June 11th. And I'm going into mediation. So she's not even getting divorced on June 11th. It's just that the next phase is starting on June 11th for Ashley after all these years.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So. And Stacey's like, oh, you have a date? She goes, oh, yeah, it's going to be done. I want to have an agreement so I can actually file for divorce one day. Okay, so no one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ashley is the Robin. She is. She is the Robin of divorce. Like, we spent years waiting for Robin. And Juan to remarry. And they finally did it. And now we're spending years for Ashley and Michael to unmarry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she does this whole thing where she's like, well, you know, we haven't had a sit down for a very long time, but I'm so excited to start this first step of hopefully many, many, many, many, many, many steps that will begin the pre section of my divorce from Michael, who I still totally want to, which you can totally tell every time I talk about him that I'm probably still laying the guy. So can't wait. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, you know, I want to ask Ashley, you've got two beautiful boys. Are they meeting your dates or are they not? Absolutely not. Okay. I know. And are you gonna do that after you get a divorce? Are you always going to run them by Michael? And she's like, well, similarly, if he's ever going to have a woman around, we have. And we have an agreement that I meet her first. So they're just basically talking about kids and arrangements and honestly, nothing that's like terribly fascinating.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And basically Stacy's like, wow, you know, I didn't even think about that. You know, I didn't even think about that part that, you know, you have to get permission from each other to date. And Karen is like, yeah, that's so much pressure. And Karen's like, well, I'll just give you what I did. I wanted to make sure that I was engaged first. All right. That's what I did. And Karen is saying, yeah, well, Karen's old school, you know, I mean, you know, yeah, marriage, like, you know, driving yourself instead of calling an Uber. There's just so many ways very old school.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's. Karen's basically like, you know, I'm currently in a relationship with someone who has children. And you know, and this way, like, he gets to see. She's basically saying the perks of, or the benefit of meeting the kids first is that he gets to see how his kids interact with her rather than like waiting until you get engaged to meet them and everything. And she talks about how, you know, when it comes to Greg and his kids, that their comfort and their happiness is just always. She's always going to support that, whether it means doing a movie night or cooking or anything like that. She's just going to be like, like the rich auntie in the house.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jassy is like, well, yeah, you know, I'm in a situation where my significant other has children and it can be really tricky. You know, I mean, I would Say that once you knew that engagement was right around the corner. And then we see a clip of her looking at rings with Darius. She's like, that would be a more clever time. Like, they're all trying to give Stacy advice, but they're all in wrecks of relationships. So Stacy's like, you're literally all. What I'm trying to avoid, especially Jazzy, which we find out as this episode goes on. I mean, Jazzy, like, girl, no, no. No advice needed. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was great. Like, I was so happy to find out that Jassy has this super messy situation. And I'm gonna. Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the reason why Jassy was not a. Did not get chosen to be a Real Housewife is that this background situation is so messy. And I'm going to predict that as the women grill her on it, she's going to pull away because she's going to say, like, do I want to be with an NFL player, or do I want to be on this show? I'm going to choose the NFL player. That's my prediction.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought she was also on the show. Or maybe it's just a rumor, but I think there's another show coming out about the Kansas City Chiefs wives. Like a wag.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah, there is.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I think she's on that. So I think this is just, like, introducing us to her, and then she's on something else, I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

Got it. Maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Karen's like, well, whatever leaves your ultimate happiness. I say go for it. You know, with children being a priority. Children are the priority, are they not? Girls? I mean, I remember Raven. Raven. Little tiny Ray. Little Ray face looking out at me. I would just say Ray. I was back before I knew chickens were dirty birds. I forgot what we were talking about. Children, right? Bored with them, Cam. So glad she's gone. Sorry, what was that? You're saying children are the most important thing? Children are the most important thing. Tell your children who you're. That's my advice. Karen, are you okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so. I may be high off of the opioid fumes coming out of Mia's room. So, speaking of which, Jacqueline emerges and she sits down and Wendy. And then Wendy comes out, and she's really proud of her leg muscles, and she's showing up on her legs and everything. And then now, finally, Mia joins them, and she's like, specially Marie. This came ruin me. Oh, is it a pile of oxygotten, you drug addict? Karen. What was that even About.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Wendy's like, oh, this came for me. Awesome. This is from Eddie Carter Cruz and the dog Zoe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, the daughter didn't. Cameron. Cameron didn't contribute to the skip. Cameron's like, I stand in defiance of my mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, I'm not sending that woman shit. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy's like, well, Wendy, are we gonna see that body in this pool? Show me how to model. So Wendy starts, like, strutting around and everything. And they're like, oh, come on. Whatever. And then they all start dancing, and then they all start making fun of Stacy because she's, like, a really stiff dancer. This is a godsend for Giselle because Giselle was, for the longest time, really, up until this season, the worst dancer in this group. And now they've got Stacy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Giselle, at least is, you know, she's doing. I think, maybe the jitterbug, I think, is what she's doing. But it's still better than Giselle. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stacy is doing that, like, medieval Shakespearean love dance where you put your hand against each other and you sort of go around in a circle with your partner. Like, I'm expecting her to, like, curtsy and then find a new partner. And slowly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Stacy's dance will get her into heaven for sure. She's like, I don't drop it like it's hot. I don't shake that thing. I just move. You know, the way that the music tells me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just. You know, all the. Stacy, you're just doing a sign of the cross still. I'm just hoping it'll get me laid. Let's be honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

TJ And I just don't believe in dancing. He often says that John Lithgow is the real hero of Dirty Dancing. I mean, Footloose. He won't even watch Dirty Dancing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, oh, my God, please just stop. Stacy. Please. Stacy, just stop. It hurts to watch you. You know? So they dance a little bit. And then, of course, Wendy is sitting there clapping her ass in someone's face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Knows it was Mia. And Kieran is like, okay, get your ass off me. I'm not gonna. Okay, I'm not over your ass because I'm. I'm good. I'm choking on my own Kieran impersonation. I think I have to speak like a normal person. She's like, I'm not over your ass, because I'm gonna be on your ass in a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Giselle comes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her version was better. We just hear she said it was funnier.

[Ronnie Karam]

We just hear birds. Birds start squawking and flying out of trees and then all the, all the, all the leaves fall off of the trees and like cats start losing all their hair. And Giselle's like, I'm back. So Giselle comes back because, guys, I left. I left less than.

[Ben Mandelker]

For.

[Ronnie Karam]

Left less than 24 hours because my children had an event. They graduated. It was sad. I cried. They're so big now. They're huge. And they graduated. I'm a mother. A mother who let her. I was like, oh my God, please, please stop her. Stop this monologue. I can't take anymore between you and Wendy with it's her birthday. Enough.

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor, I literally still do not understand the timeline here. Like, I just refuse to accept it. Like at this point it's gotta be like 11am or noon or I don't know, like, based on where they go and what they do. I just. How far is it to fly from. From Potomac to like to Lake Norman? I'm going to look up right now. I'm looking up. It's driving me absolutely nuts. It is okay to drive. It's a six hour drive. So flight. I don't even know how. You can't get flight information. Okay, fine. I just, I don't know, I just feel like something is up. I feel like there was like a day we didn't see personally.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I can't believe that they would cut it. I mean, from watching everything they're doing. They are twerking. I mean, what, what, what could they possibly have cut? So then Giselle's like, well, so was it fun? Because she sees Jesse sitting in the kitchen. Jesse's doing her makeup. Then we get the best taste of Jesse that we've had so far. She's. She's like, so how was everything? And Jesse's like, I mean, it was fun. If you weren't in. It goes, what does that mean? She's like, baby, we've got people that are basing their business off an ex dealing drug money. And I mean, it's just, it's been a lot. She's loving it. She goes, whose business was funded by drug dealers? And she's like, okay. And Ashley was asking about K scar and if she actually had a scar, something like that. She's like, she clearly has you. She has a visible scar. She's like, well, that's what I said. I said, do you have glasses? And then Ashley said, no, she doesn't have glasses.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was so funny in this Scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she said, well, what did you do, Jesse? She goes, well, I listened, and I was like, okay. She goes, well, is that. Is this last night or is this morning? Do we need a nap? She was like, oh, that was breakfast. That was. That was the breakfast conversation. She goes, oh, so is everybody mad right now? She goes, well, I wouldn't call them mad. She's like, oh, well, who should I check on right now? She's like, well, no, look, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

They.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, they. They served us food, so everything is all good. So then everyone starts to come up to the. Everyone starts, like, filtering up to this room, to this dining room and saying, hello, hello, hello. And everything. And everyone's saying hi. And Giselle's like, well, clearly all hell broke loose. Everybody should be exhausted from the shade and the screaming of it all. Like, let's just have a nice day. Can we do that?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, oh, Giselle's back? Yeah. And Jacqueline's like, these ladies don't know how to act when you're gone. It's like you're one of the only ones who realizes I'm a badass bitch and I'm here to stay. I'm Jacqueline. And no one's taking Jacqueline down. Am I right, girls? No one's paying attention. Jacqueline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, yes. Like, this is Jack. Jacqueline is really trying to stake her claim. So now they're all like. Mia's like, okay, everyone, like, let's do shots.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sir. She's, like, serves tequila shots. She's pouring tequila shots into people's mouths and everything. She pours some vodka into Stacy. Stacy's like, do I have to swallow? What? TJ Says it's a sin. They're like, no, swallow. So then Mia takes this Casamigos bottle, and when we say that, she inserts it into her mouth. I mean, this lady could have a side career as a sword swallower, because that thing goes deep, first of all. Also, that's a communal bottle. So why are you sticking so much of it into your mouth right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

She deep throated the bottle, and then she swung her head back and, like, took it down her lungs. I don't know. And then she's like, yeah, ladies. And so they all start making, you know, deep throat jokes, of course. And then that's how you human la is like, oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, m. So then they're laughing.

[Ronnie Karam]

She just basically admitted that she's both.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of those guys, you know, at the same time. Right? Like, Mia, you just solidified what we've all been thinking. So they're like, wow. Stacy's like, that is a special skill that most women don't have. And if I wanted to gain that skill, I know TJ would not be where I'd be practicing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then now Wendy and Giselle are talking, and she's like, you know, yesterday I walked out on Stacy on the balcony and she was like twirling her hair while she talked to the guy. And Giselle's like, so do we know this TJ person? And she's, what do you mean, do you know him? You can go there in the car now. She's like, google him if you want to. She goes, I'm going to. And she's like, oh, he's an actor. He's a walk on actor. She goes, oh, an actor. She goes, yeah, Tom Thomas Anthony Jones.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I think she said a working actor. She said, he's a working actor. I think she was like, oh, that makes a brag. Like, yes, he is an actor. Because, like, there's definitely, like, some thirst going on with this couple. Like last week when TJ was like, did you tell them about us? You want. You want to tell them? You want to share about me? You want to share? You want to talk? Make it a storyline? Come on. So she's like, yes, he's a working actor. Everyone look at his IMDb. It's actually really impressive.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they do. Of course, they look that IMDb right up. And she's like, yeah, well, okay. Well, this is just the back of his head. So we see the IMDb and it's like, Days of Our Lives, Dr. Jim McGonagall. And Stacey's like, oh, yeah, he's been on so many things. Ncis, er. At one point she goes, he's been in so many things. Er. And then she just paused. I was like, honey, er has not been on the air for 20 years.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on. Swindy's like, so he does, like extra work. She goes, no, babe, not extra. Meanwhile, all the credits are like one episode. One episode. One episode. Which, hey, that is good. That is the dream for the actor. But we're like, let's not talk about him. Like, he is the second coming of, you know, Richard Gregory.

[Ronnie Karam]

Work is work. You know what I mean? And so Giselle's like, so when are you gonna see him if he's in la? And she's like, well, he's gonna come in this week. It's really important. He just tries to come in every other week or so to make sure that I'm okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

He comes in so we can make sure we're not coming. So. So Giselle's like, so, are you guys going to have sex? She's like, no, no, no. We. We haven't actually had sex. And just. I was like, damn, but who said they didn't want to have sex? What was that like? She's like, we. We both decided we don't want to have sex. And any time we start to get horny, we just sit down and watch chicken run until the feeling passes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, it's like she hasn't had sex because she's so stiff. Okay, have you felt around you. You need to know what you're working with. What if it's like a thumb? She goes, what if what's like a thumb? You know, his thumb. His thumb is very much like a thumb.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just.

[Ronnie Karam]

I do. Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

On the nose.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, did I just say that? God.

[Ben Mandelker]

His thumb is very thumby. It's. It's an. On the nose. It's on the nose. Although his thumb is not usually on his actual nose. His nose is also on the nose. I would say that everything is exactly the way it should be. Elbow. Elbow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unless I catch his nose, which turns into my thumb. I go, cut your nose. Turns into my thumb. I'm like, your nose is a thumb right now. But then I put it back on his nose, and that's not a thumb anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was our first fight. Our first fight was when I stole his nose. He accused me of doing witchcraft and said that was paganism. And I had to explain to him it was actually just a very common thing that people do. And he still said, you're a heathen. And then, you know, we got through it eventually when I said I could put him on tv, he actually tried.

[Ronnie Karam]

To have me burned, which is crazy. And they said the new administration hasn't taken office yet, but give it time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That being said, we did do particularly well on QVC when we sold some stakes that you can burn people at. You know, I was like, you know, my boyfriend tried to burn me at this stake, and it was a wonderful experience. I think we sold out of that lot. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He said, the stakes are high. I said, no, that's probably Mia, but if she is, she's going to be on one of these stakes. So it all just kind of worked out.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she deep throated the steak. It all was full circle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can't crucify this.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's why I got fired from qvc, because it happened live on the air, and everyone was horrified.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Giselle's like, so have you sexually assaulted him and felt around? She goes, I would like to, but, well, can you do oral? And she's like, I don't know that he's really willing to do oral. You know, this is just very difficult, but you can direct your attention to other things.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Bible, praying, going to the zoo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Where did that come from?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, where I'm horny. Let's go to the zoo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Going to the zoo. And then she couldn't think of anything else. That's it. She said like, hey, that lady's at the zoo again. Is there something weird? Should we have her followed? What is she doing here again?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who is that lady doing flash dance next to the tiger cage? So just her in a chair. So Wendy's like, how old is he? He's in his 40s. 41? Nah. And, you know, he has been waiting for. For a wife all this time, and Giselle just starts cracking up because she's like, oh, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She does the whole, you better drive the car first thing. And Wendy's like, I'm just getting to know Stacy, and I don't want to doubt it, but it's odd. It's. It's. It's a little. Yeah, there's something fishy about this. I'm not believing it. Because it's not the whole religious thing, because he's plenty of people. She's already said that on the show. It's like he's reclaimed. When a man is reclaiming his virginity, right, when he starts dating you, there's ulterior motives, period. I'm sorry. And he still hasn't fucked her. It's been years. I mean, if it really was religious, he would say, then let's get married. Then we can fuck. But this whole, like, oh, it's just religious. No, you don't reclaim your virginity like that at 40. Give me a fucking break. No commercials. Here comes one right now. Why get all your holiday decorations delivered through Instacart? Because maybe you only bought two wreaths but have 12 windows. Or maybe your toddler got very eager with the Advent calendar. Or maybe the inflatable snowman didn't make it through the snowstorm. Or maybe the twinkle lights aren't twinkling. Whatever the reason, this season, Instacart's here for hosts and their whole holiday haul. Get decorations from the Home Depot, CVS and more through Instacart and enjoy free delivery on your first three orders. Service fees and terms apply. Hey, prime members, have you heard? You can listen to your favorite podcasts ad free. Good news. With Amazon Music, you have access to the largest catalog of ad free top podcasts included with your prime membership. To start listening, download the Amazon music.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Up on the latest episodes without the ads. So now they arrive at the joint, and I have to give a shout out to our note taker, Jessica, who writes, they arrive at the joint with an exclamation point. Jessica's very excited about this. And you know what? I am, too, because we're back at the joint, and everyone's like, oh, well, we're at the joint. And Giselle is like, why are we going? Mia's like, well, I just want to show you guys, like, where I started. So they walk in to this random joint chiropractic, and Mia literally goes, I'm here. I don't know you. Of course they don't. You don't know her because you haven't owned this joint in years. Like, what are you doing walking in like, this is a high school graduation. The chiropractor is like, like, these people, all they know is that they got a call from Bravo that was like, hey, we want to shoot a scene from the Real Housewives of Potomac at your joint chiropractic. Is that okay? They're like, okay. I don't know why, but sure, okay, fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, yeah, I don't know you. And the guy's like, well, Hi. Nah, I'm Dr. Chad. She goes, oh, well, nice to meet. Oh, my boyfriend actually played a Dr. Chad one time. Yeah. On Saint Elmo's fire. Have you ever heard of that?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a failed pilot. A spin off of the movie. Yeah, didn't really take off. He was an expert.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. I'm Dr. Chad. Nice to welcome to the joint. Okay. It's like, well, we're actually selling all of our joints. We had 97 joint, and we're selling them because the business partners couldn't get along, which is mostly Gordon's fault. And, you know, this is where it started, guys. This is the first place I ever cracked a bat. Are you one of the doctors? I am a doctor. I'm a doctor. Yes, I am a doc. No, you're not. Mia, what are you doing? Do you think Mia even had anything to do with this joint chiropractic? I don't. There's no.

[Ben Mandelker]

At one point. But again, she really is acting like owning a Joint chiropractic is like, I don't know, owning a factory somewhere. I don't know. Like, I just. It's just like. It's just like, you're just a nameless franchise owner. And she's like, yeah, this is where we have. This is sort of like my stomping ground. By the way, is Dr. McDaddy. Is. Is he here or was. Where's Dr. McDaddy? And Dr. Chad is like, oh, he had to go up to Virginia. I was told I had to come up with an excuse because, like, you know, Dr. McDaddy doesn't exist.

[Ronnie Karam]

He doesn't exist because Dr. Chad would just, like, go along with the delusional lady. You know, this lady is with the lady who's always at the zoo. You know, she's got to be crazy. So just go along. He's like, Dr. McDaddy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So me like, yeah, I no longer own this location, but this one was one of my original babies. I still have 20 to other locations that I'm going to be selling soon for concrete. Like, I don't know. Her talking about the joint being one of her babies reminds me of. What's her face being like, like, donkey be. I'm like, please, it's just a joint curb.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're all just standing there in the lobby. It's like cricket sounds. And they're all just looking at each other like, okay, there's no tour of the office. There's none of that. It's just like, well, this is where it all started, ladies. Stripping taught me, man. Yeah, we're not. I like, we're not. We have, like, hundreds of businesses. And Giselle goes, so is this your busy time? Because there's nobody in there, you know, and nobody comes in the whole time.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's acting like they're on, like, a tour of, like, a GM plant. Like. Like this Guinness. We're at the Guinness Guinness tour again. Like, this is where Guinness beer started. A global sensation. Like, well, ladies, we are here. This is the joint care pract. Like, this is where it all began. One of 13 franchises that we bought. Just soak it all in.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Wendy's just like, this is not a good birthday thing. It's my birthday. So now they go to lunch, and.

[Ben Mandelker]

They don't even get adjustments. Right. They don't even get their backs cracked.

[Ronnie Karam]

No. They just stand in the lobby for a minute and then decide to go to lunch. So they go to lunch, and everyone gets a round of shots. And Karen's like, oh, I'll Have a coffee, please. I'll have a coffee, and I'll have that with cream and vermouth and vodka, but please don't put any coffee or cream in that. Thank you very.

[Ben Mandelker]

Would you like any soda pop? Oh, flashback.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, yeah, I got it running over Pop. Pop is still dead somewhere. The end of this episode is going to be like, in Loving Memory of Pop. So they order, and then Giselle's like, well, I came, and I got downloaded on the tea from Jassy, so I want to make sure. Kiana, are you okay? Yeah. I didn't like hearing that you were crying, you know, and. And all that. And she's like, I was very upset, Ashley. I was very, very upset. And she's like, ashley, would you like to apologize? I'm just reopening a wound because it's fun for me. I could talk about my children going to college. Would anybody prefer that? It's like, no, no. Okay, fine. We'll do this. We'll do this. But it's my birthday. We know, Wendy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Again, I'm confused at how Giselle went to a graduation ceremony, had a graduation reception, and then was able to get back to Lake Norman before lunchtime on the Real House was a Potomac. This is really bothering me. So my only explanation is that the reception that Giselle and Jamal held for their daughters happened on a future date, and they just edited it earlier. That's the only way this makes sense to me. And I know I'm. I know this is a point that I think negative three people care about, but it's on my mind. And this is a. This is a forum for honesty and transparency.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, I hope that you one day get that figured out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they. Kieran is like, so Kieran is like. You know, Ashley says, well, I already said I'm sorry. And Kieran is like, well, that was just piggybacking off Mia, in my opinion. And I was very offended, though, when you, of all people, dragging drug dealer. And Mia goes, why is he me of all people? Just because you have a very colorful past yourself. She goes, colorful past? Not in the drug industry. And she's like, well, strippers, drug dealers, I think they're kind of close. She goes, that's not the same thing, baby. It's legal, illegal. Okay? Just. Well, I never sold drugs, but it was obviously very pressing for you to bring it up. And she's like, well, when you're a drug dealer, honey, it's kind of illegal being a stripper is not illegal. She goes, okay, well, selling ass is fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jacqueline's like, not selling ass is fine. That's a prostitute, and I am here to stay. And Mia's like, well, I called you on your. And you didn't deny it, so you know it's a fact. She goes, okay, okay, okay. So what's my current man doing? And she was like. I was like, okay, we're going to move on. Okay. I didn't realize how annoying this fight actually was. I shouldn't have reopened it. It was like Jenna was like, look at that security. While you're posted on the corner. Mind that business. All right? So she's like, my man's. My man's got a real job now. So. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Mia goes, oh, yeah, A quote, unquote, social worker. Okay, okay, what does that mean? Is. Is social worker code for something bad?

[Ben Mandelker]

But also, like, I think she's, like, dismissing it, like. Like, oh, that's real impressive. He's a social worker. Wow. And you call yourself glamorous. Says the woman who just gave them a tour of the first joint chiropractic she ever opened up. So Jassy's like, guys, I have an event. My man is being honored, and every year, the super bowl winning team gets to go to the White House. And I'm putting together a party, and I've made a huge point to invite all of the single men. And we don't know if these single men will be from the Kansas City Chiefs, but I'm just going to suggest that they will. I mean, watch it. Just be, like, random people, like, around the block. They're all going to show up thinking that they're going to be attached to a football player and then get to meet Taylor Swift, and it's just going to be some randos from Jassy's life.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jacqueline's like, oh, well, I want to come because I'm, like, in my whole workout mode now. I've literally lost £15 from last year, which is why I'm basically running this show now. Am I right, girls? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It just makes me feel strong. Like, don't. With me. Potentially. Karen, who might be listening to this right now. Giselle's like, oh, are you saying. Are you saying that to Karen? Cuz I heard there was a lot. Do you guys want to fight again? Because I missed it. And Karen's like, no, I'm so busy dodging dots. I'm like this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like a. I'm like, A pedestrian in the 70s watching near a Dodge dealership, avoiding dots. Did that make sense? Anyone? Or you too young to understand that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Remember, she's like Wonder Woman. Do you remember that show? Just dodging things. And she had underwear that were made out of metal. Think, God, how do. How does anybody get into those underwear? It'd be really nice if she figured that out. Would let us know. Sat there in the audience just watching that the other day. God, someone get my underwear off of me, please. It feels like metal. I've just put bing, bing, bing. That's right, Stacy. Keep reflecting.

[Ben Mandelker]

What I would give to have an invisible car. Karen. Karen could get out that dui.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

I wasn't driving. I'm just merely walking. And by walking slightly floating above the asphalt, it would be another charge.

[Ronnie Karam]

It would be like reckless endangerment driving an invisible car. Shame. Shame on you, Drunk. Drunkenly. It's not invisible. It's Belvedere colored.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was Wonder Woman who had the invisible car, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

She had an invisible plane.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's the point of that invisible car? I mean, because she could fly country to country or she could, you know, take on monsters and they wouldn't see her coming and stuff. An invisible car is way worse. People just talk about terrible concept. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a terrible, terrible, terrible thing to do. So then Jacqueline, all the time. Let me tell you something. She would have permanent whiplash.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jacqueline's like, well, I feel like there's a lot of ass kissing around here today. Okay? And now they're getting back in the Sprinters. And Giselle's like, well, I thought we're going to dinner tonight. And they are. They're going to Charlotte's finest rooftop. Fahrenheit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Such a stupid name. Why were you. Everything's, like, abusing me this time around. When I watched the episode, I was like, this episode's boring. But now, as we go through it, everything is cracking me up. I love that. Someone was like, let's. Let's build a rooftop bar in Charlotte, and we'll call it Fahrenheit because it has height in the name and the Farron. We don't know what that has to do with anything, but it just seems fun. Let's go with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

People. Like, it's really hot up here. I'm sorry, but it's called Fahrenheit.

[Ben Mandelker]

So are you really gonna complain? I'm sorry, Americans. Only if you have the metric system. You have to go to Celsius next week.

[Ronnie Karam]

No kidding. Good luck. That one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. All those people who don't believe that 32 degrees is freezing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so now they're getting ready for dinner. And Eddie and Wendy talk. We get to see Zoe the puppy. It's very cute. And then jazzy FaceTimes with her boyfriend. And we can't really clear him. He just sounds depressed. She's like, hi, baby. How are you? He's like, it's okay, baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she can't hear him very well. And so she says, you know, just like last year, he doesn't have a contract. And like, he doesn't know when his team, like, what team he's going to play for. You know, it's like being fired. It's like Jacqueline, you know, And I really want to be able be available for him to talk if needed. But the signal's just so horrible. The calls are not going through, baby. So this is a bad relationship. Because if you're freaking out that you can't talk because the signal is bad, that is. That is the sign of a shaky ass foundation. Didn't we see this somewhere else? Who was. Where did we see this? Where someone couldn't talk to the. Couldn't, like, speak to the person that they needed to speak to because the reception was bad and it caused, like, a meltdown.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, because it just. It was obviously not the reception, but they just kept using that over and over. That's like. They were the only person. Wasn't it on the Valley? They were like the only person that. Sorry, but the reception was bad. I just couldn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was like, I need to get the good reception, otherwise it's gonna be.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was like, oh, no, it was. Was it Southern charm? I don't know. Don't do this to me. So then somewhere now they're just talking about the day and stuff, and Giselle and Ashley are gossiping about the girl. The girls. And then Ashley's like, yeah, you know the K and Mia thing, that did kind of catch me off guard, you know, just going at it about the scar. And she's like, so do you want me to tell you my good news? And she goes, sure. She goes, okay, well, you know how I'm working on healing and thriving. And then we get a flashback to Ashley singing Everybody her Healing and thriving song. I think this is over. Healing and thriving. Now I'm just surviving.

[Ben Mandelker]

Having cream cheese with chives.

[Ronnie Karam]

Healing and driving and. Let's not drunk driving and. Okay, that's enough, Ashley. We've changed all the lyrics to be about my. My running with the coppers so healing and thriving. Listen, music isn't something that should take you 20 years to adjust to get it ready for the public. We heard it. We don't need to hear it anymore, okay? It's. You're not going to do something to it that's going to make it suddenly pop off the charts, okay? It's over. Healing and thriving is over. She's like, but I put an edm. I put an EDM beat to it. So now it's like feeling and driving and now. And Giselle's like, oh, God, why did I start a leggings company with this idiot? And she makes Giselle listen to it. And Giselle's like, oh, so EDM doesn't the main. Because it's not that at all. And now she's like, well, it just means, like, girl power, you know? So now it's like, girl power. Human and thrive. Okay, that's enough.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. She sings apart live. And it's just all also healing and thriving with an EDM beat. I think that song already exists. It's called Rhythm as a Dancer. Okay, let's not act like you came up with that melody. It's called Rhythm as a Dancer. Just listen. Just listen and you'll see.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's finding herself because these past couple of months have been totally different. Instead of pretending to be married to Michael and doing whatever she wants, she's been pretending to be married to Michael and doing whatever she wants. It's been really hard, guys. So now she's gonna put her song to an Edmund. And it changed tr. It changed. It's life changing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She has really leaned into what brings her joy and happiness as opposed to all those other seasons where she was, you know, working in corporate America, so upset with her day to day nine to five job that she famously had season after season after season just, you know, pushing paper around, going to meetings, doing big things as opposed to, you know, I don't know, doing yoga. I don't know, doing more yoga. Tick tock dances. I'm glad that she's finally leaning into what brings her happiness now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now the girls are all gathering to go out, and Mia's like, everyone, eight minutes. And Jacqueline says, oh, my God, somebody stinks. It's like stink or something, right? Season three on its way.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're all checking. Jacqueline smells Mia's cross like it wasn't you. And even if it was you, I would never say so on tv because I am here to stay and I am not your sidekick. But I'll do whatever you need. So then they're just, like, laughing about the smell and, like, you know, girl code. Gotta make sure my girl's not smelling like fish up in here. So then Karen's wearing, like, a small dress. Everyone's like, wow. She's like, I look like a hooker about to breastfeed. So anyway, they get in the Sprinter van.

[Ronnie Karam]

Didn't really get that. So then they get in a Sprinter van and they get some housewives craziness going on. They decided to do something that we have never seen on these shows, and it's actually a nice breath of fresh air. They paid me very much. Very much. Fairy Kill. So who would you like to take a ferry with? Who would you fuck and who would you kill?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And this went on for about 25 minutes. Yeah. Just went on and on and on, on and on. It was like listening to Ashley singing. Happiness Healing and Thriving.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they go to the restaurant Fahrenheit, and Wendy's like, guys, it's my birthday and I'm going to remember this birthday forever. And Karen's like, this was a good one. This was a good one. I mean, it was a lot better than my 20, 20, 22, 555, 444. I was basically just giving out phone numbers at this point. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Carry the one. So then Wendy is like, you know, I usually just celebrate this birthday with Eddie. And in adulthood, I have, like, not done a celebration where I've invited outside people. Mainly because I also live two hours away from the rest of the cast. But what I also realized is I never felt like people would celebrate me. And everyone's like, oh, Wendy, not you. Come on, Wendy. She's like, no, it's funny because you all met me when I was 35. And when y'all met me, I just had a baby and I was so unsure of myself. Roll the footage of me being so unsure of myself and sad and meek at 35.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am a doctor. I've got four degrees.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wendy literally gives another speech. Okay, I'm so sick of Wendy giving speeches. I love Wendy. I think Wendy's having a great season, but God damn. So she gives another big, long speech about how she's been through so much and, you know, all her businesses and all of her this and all of her that. And then Ashley's like, you know what? This is where they all start giving speeches back to her. Ashley's like, do you inspire me so much to be just like you, the way you? I don't know, quit your job, Quit the other job, Quit the other job, then quit that other job. It's really inspiring, Wendy. Wendy's like, thank you so much, Ashley. Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Ah, birthday girl, it's my turn. I love where we are, specifically Fahrenheit, looking at the beautiful buildings of Charlotte, but also in our relationship, it's been stale for some time and now it's rich. And I'm here for all of it, whatever it actually is. And I'm glad that we've been able to save our jobs by pretending to enjoy each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they joke about the vagina flapping vaginas at each other. And Jacqueline's like, oh, so that did happen, huh? And Wendy's like, no, vaginas were not touched. Stacy says, wow, there's. There's not a lot of women that I admire, Wendy. And I just have to say, I admire you. I love what you've been doing with your fries. They're crispier than usual, and that took some time getting used to, but they're delicious. And you can never go wrong with the frosty. Am I right, ladies?

[Ben Mandelker]

Jassy goes, I think that you're brilliant, creative, altruistic, and inspiring. And she sounds like, what's altruistic? What's going on? Where's the altruism coming from? And now she's, oh, no, she actually asked, what does that mean? And now she goes, oh, it means that you give up. You give to others without expecting anything in return. And Giselle's like, okay. And Jassy goes, I had expectations when I met not only the group, but you as well. And you did supersede those expectations, Wendy. You were a big superseder.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is supersedes? What is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that like when you get a lot of seeds at the garden store?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Karen's like, you are a wonderment. Yeah, I've said it. Said it now. That's not a word, right? No, that's not. I don't think so, Giselle. But it is fun to keep you on your toes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle, you are a wonderment in how you take on so many challenges in your life and only do them a little bit before you move on to something else. That is a true wonderment. And you succeed in you're a sample.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of ladder of half baked job ideas. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that about you. You've been there for me. You've been there for me when I've been falsely accused by a traffic median of driving over it. So thank you for being a good friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Kieran, I was like, I just hope God continues to shine his light on you and just keep doing what you're doing. Because you've always been the glue for everything that I've been through, and for that, I love you. So did Kierna come on as Wendy's friend? I don't remember that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what that. I don't. Well, you know, I guess that mean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are they really Wendy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Wendy was. Remember, Wendy was Team Candace. And so she was really, like. She took Kieran aside with the whole fight and everything. So maybe that's what that's about. So then Jacqueline is like, initially, when I met Wendy, it was very rocky because she was basically looking at me like, who are you? Okay. But there's definitely more warmth in you as opposed to, why are you here? And as you can see, I am here to say day, I'm not just a fly by night girl. I basically am going to be a real Housewife. I'm already, like, ready to start my iconic fourth season. So I don't know what your attitude was about, because clearly I'm America's favorite. In conclusion, Wendy sucks. Okay, Happy birthday.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now they toast. They toast to Wendy again. And then Ashley's like, well, cheers also to Stacy opening up and giving us her man government name who has. And IMDb as Stacey's like, oh, I just feel like there's been so much focus on me when we haven't talked about Jazzy's man. Jesse. Let's talk about your man. That sounds fun. Like, you are so shady. You make it sound like you're being so sweet. And she's just handing this girl over to the wolves.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So Jassy is like, oh, well, see what happens when you give children liquor? Okay, I guess we're gonna direct the shade at me. Anyway, I am so thankful that you did ask about Darius. Who does? Fuck me. Well, he's been the best thing that ever happened to me, and he is someone that I'm going to marry. And we've had some bumps in the road there. The bumps are ages 3 and 5, and we've gone through those bumps. And, you know, he's a great father to two boys who were born within a range of, you know, one month to three years ago. And, you know, like, they were either there or they were already created before me. And the children are three and turned one a month ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, wait a minute. What? She goes, yes. Well, so we were dating, but it wasn't really official, but then he had impregnated somebody and like. Oh, so he was cheating on you? No, we weren't official.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so you're putting up with a man and constantly cheating on you and having babies with other people. People. Because he's rich. Okay, got.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it possible? Is it possible it went the other way around? Like he was cheating. He was cheating on the baby mama with Jassy. I feel like that could be a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, like she was the other. Yeah, she was like the other woman or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Other woman, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

But basically, you know, he's famous and he's rich, so he's gonna get away with that. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. That's what it's like when you do when you date a sports guy. Yeah, it's just how it is, you know, like I've done it. Who. Who said that they did it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia. Because. Well, because Jy goes, a couple years ago when he and I were dating, she was maybe two or three months pregnant. So she was already pregnant before we even had sex. And he did not know. And that was the delay in me knowing. And they're like, oh, uhuh. And so Ashley. Ashley actually does successful math. She goes, so you've been together two years. The baby is one year old. The first baby, the gestation for a baby is nine months. So they had to have been dating for three months prior to him conceiving the second baby. Another six months, she finds out about the baby. So two plus two is not equaling four here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And oh, Kieran is the one who's like, oh, yeah, I've seen this. I've been through this because I dated the one who was in the league and you know, he had two women pregnant at the same time and they happen to be twins, you know, And I dreamt about it and then I saw the woman in my dreams and they're like, wait a minute, two sets of twins? I was like, no, don't interrupt her. I love her. Like a dream, a dream. He was having babies with multiple people, Twins even. And then it turns out he was having twins with multiple people. Like, I need to know this side of the side of her. And they just like totally shove it under the rug.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. She's like, there were twin. They happened to be that there were twins. And then they were switched at birth. So then one set went up to New York City, one stayed in Jupiter Hollow, but then the one set in New York City, they had to actually buy the hospital from Jupiter Hollow. And so then later on in life, the ones from Jupiter Hollow had to go to New York. Like Kieran, I think it was not a dream. I think you just. You just watch big business.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Karen is like, yeah, so it was two people pregnant at the same time. That's all I'm gonna say. And for me, I couldn't do that. I just couldn't get past it. Which would. Which pregnancy did it for you? The first or the second? How many kids were here before Kieran was like, I'm out of here. Kieran has dated, had a very interesting dating life. My God. She's dated guy who's had two sets of twins with two different women while he was dating her and a drug dealer girl. What app are you on? It sounds like a final Mills.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, can you tell me what team he played for? He was straight. No, I mean, like, actual team. Oh, just leave me alone, Mia. She goes, well, no, tell me because, like, the. What team you play for? Because, like, that sounds really familiar. I say that because the same thing happened to me. So I'm just trying to make sure it's not the same guy. Is it the Ravens? And everyone's like, not the Ravens. And Kino's like, no, he played for Jesus at this point. And bottom line is, if you date any form of a successful man, you should be prepared. And Giselle's like, even if he's not successful, yeah, you should be prepared.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I met a pre. I date. I was married to a preacher, and he was still pulling this shit. Okay, look at that. He just impregnated a, like, very young parishioner like, two years ago. So I get it. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

At least yours caught balls. Okay? Mine just catches confessions.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley is like, you know what? We support Jassy. This is not a conventional relationship, but I think this group, we're learning that not a one size fits all for everybody. Which is my way of saying, you can stop giving me shit about Michael Darby because you all are in relationships.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. So then Giselle's like, oh, that just means he was cheating on you, girl. Oh, it's okay. You know, just say that he cheated on you and you still want to be with him. Just say that I had a dating Jamal storyline just. Just last year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

We've all been there. So Stacy's like, I would like to make a toast. Well, to toast, really, because isn't it wonderful? No one really thinks toast enough, but it's really always there for me. Also. Ashley Darby. God, who's married to a man who looked like toast. Ashley, you were just so inspiring. The way that you are so upfront and honest about everything makes me want to be as upfront and honest about everything as you are, which is why I'm not telling any of you bitches anything. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, thank you're giving me the courage to be a little bit more open about talking about my life. And I'm a little bit more open, and then I'm a little bit more closed. I actually opened the door a little bit. I peeked in. I saw what was going on in the room, and I just closed it. So that was fun. You guys got all you need. So then they chose to her. And, you know, Stacy is, like, thinking about how being a single mother and all that entails, you know, she'd be crazy not to ask these women who've had so many different life experiences how they've made it. So then food. More food arrives. They all have fun. They all go back home, and they're gonna go back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jacqueline keep trying to be funny. She's like, oh, my God, stank ass pussy. Am I right? And they just look at her, and now she's like, yeah, we need to go back. And then you guys need to shower, because some of you guys really stink. It's a good one, right? They just all look at her like, shut the up, man. Who is this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Can someone please let the staff at Fahrenheit know that when I said I'm here to stay, I didn't mean the actual restaurant, Okay? I know I'm gonna break some hearts. That's what they call me. A heartbreaker. I am here to stay, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everybody's leaving, and they're, like, kind of bored at this point, because, you know, it's been kind of boring. So they're getting up and grumble, grumble. And then Wendy goes, hey, but guess what? Not only. And I'm 40. In my 40, I got 4 degrees. And then she does that cackle. And everyone's like, oh, God, shut up. Please just shut up. So they leave, and then we wake up, and Wendy is just like. Like, she just looks like she ran into a brick wall, you know, she's like, I just. I went to bed at three. And then we see blurry footage of the night before people party. And Stacy's like, hi, everybody. I did morning shows, so I was used to being up in the morning. I feel great. How are we?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And everyone just looks like a mess. And then they're talking about Jassy and you know, like, they're saying, like, Mia saying how, like, oh, well, no one wants to be the other girl. I see it as someone who was the other girl. And then Jacqueline's saying that Jassy and Darius are going to be getting a house together. And Mia's like, so I was assigned piece. I got a house. I like how she's like, no one wants to be other girls, but I did get a house out of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jacqueline's like, oh, this is giving me goosebumps. So then Giselle is checking in with Wendy and Karen's like, well, even though Mia stuck as a hostess, this trip helped me have something other to do than think about my cold case. So for that I am grateful.

[Ben Mandelker]

And basically they're like, wow, that was fun. That was fun. Let's go home. And they go home. And that was it for our little trip to Lake Norman. And now we return back to Potomac next week where Karen will have to face the truth, bitterness of that court case. Well, we'll see what happens. In the meantime, thanks everyone for being here, for listening and we will catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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