#2622 RHOC S18E19 Reunion 2 Part Two: A Star Was Born (?)

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2622: RHOC S18E19 Reunion 2 Part Two: A Star Was Born (?)

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2622 of "Watch What Crappens," Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the second part of the Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 18 Episode 19 Reunion titled "A Star Was Born (?)." The hosts dissect the intense drama, interpersonal conflicts, and pivotal moments that unfolded during the reunion, offering their signature blend of praise, ridicule, and humorous commentary.

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Main Conflicts and Discussions

Tamra vs. Alexis: The Voice Controversy

The reunion episode kicks off with a heated exchange between Tamra and Alexis over John's "voice." Tamra expresses frustration about having to defend John, stating, "I'm going to have to defend him because he doesn't have a voice" (03:35). Ben humorously compares Shannon to a mythical creature, claiming, "Shannon is basically a witch octopus from the ocean who stole John's voice for four years" (04:01). This playful banter sets the tone for the rest of the discussion.

Katie and Heather: Tensions Over Parenting and Rumors

Katie's interactions with Heather become a focal point as tensions escalate. Ronnie highlights Katie's struggle with managing her children's remarks about Heather, saying, "I apologize to the audience for activating Ronnie during an already, like, activation-friendly segment with Alexis Blino" (06:50). The hosts discuss the inappropriate conversations children have overheard, with Katie admitting, "I think you're gorgeous. For poor." (08:52) This leads to a broader conversation about parenting styles and the impact of public drama on children.

Shannon's Legal Battle and Allegations

Shannon's ongoing legal issues take center stage as Ben narrates the surreal portrayal of Shannon in the reunion. He describes Shannon's attempts to reclaim control, "Shannon's like, well, you know, because after my mom's passing, I just... I needed to get back to work" (38:43). The hosts mock Shannon's tactics and her relationship with the truth, emphasizing the absurdity of the legal maneuvers on display.

Alexis's Lawsuit and Legal Maneuvering

Alexis's legal battles are dissected extensively. Ben points out the contradictory nature of Alexis's statements, "You have a real strange relationship with the truth" (41:08), while Ronnie adds, "I did the appropriate thing in this situation. I shut it down. I didn't make Haley look bad" (17:39). The hosts critique Alexis's handling of the lawsuit, exposing inconsistencies and highlighting her aggressive stance against Shannon.

Interpersonal Dynamics and Hypocrisy

The hosts don't shy away from calling out hypocrisy among the cast members. Ben sarcastically remarks, "These hypocrites" (16:07) when discussing Katie and Heather's double standards. They highlight the recurring theme of the cast members talking negatively about each other in front of their children, questioning the authenticity of their mentorship and relationships.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Karam: "Reconnecting with people in your life is so important... Shutterfly makes it so easy to share a custom card that's perfectly you." (00:00)
  (Note: Advertisement segment)

• Ben Mandelker: "Shutterfly has a style for everyone. Find a card that reflects your vibe." (00:11)
  (Note: Advertisement segment)

• Ronnie Karam on Shutterfly: "I love the Shutterfly card feature because I'm so lazy about going to a store and getting a card for people." (00:15)
  (Note: Advertisement segment)

• Ben Mandelker: "Is it just me or has TV gotten really complicated? Thankfully, Philo has changed that for me." (00:56)
  (Note: Advertisement segment)

• Ronnie Karam: "Children will listen. Children will listen." (13:07)
  (On the impact of children's overheard conversations)

• Ben Mandelker: "I mean, you can't come here and cry when someone makes one snotty comment about you when all you do is make shitty comments about people constantly." (08:43)
  (On Heather's remarks)

• Ronnie Karam: "You don't get to talk about adults like that. These are my friends that you're not doing this." (15:49)
  (On Katie's handling of her children speaking ill of Heather)

• Ben Mandelker: "You're such a waste of space." (04:58)
  (Directed at a cast member during a heated moment)

• Ronnie Karam: "I hope you enjoy the soda stream in John Jansen's house, because that was put there by me." (33:47)
  (Mocking Alexis's gift)

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Hosts' Commentary and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie infuse their analysis with sharp wit and candid opinions. They consistently poke fun at the cast members' behaviors, legal tactics, and interpersonal dramas. For instance, Ben likens Shannon's actions to a mythical "witch octopus," adding a layer of humor to his critique. Ronnie often interjects with sarcastic remarks, highlighting the absurdity of certain situations, such as children's inappropriate comments about adult relationships.

The hosts also delve into the theme of hypocrisy, pointing out how cast members criticize each other publicly while engaging in similar behaviors themselves. They emphasize the damage such public disputes can have on personal relationships and family dynamics.

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Conclusion

Episode #2622 of "Watch What Crappens" offers a thorough and entertaining dissection of the RHOC Season 18 Reunion 2. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam navigate the complex web of drama, legal battles, and personal conflicts with their characteristic humor and candidness. Their insightful commentary provides listeners with a deeper understanding of the underlying tensions and motivations driving the cast members, all while maintaining an engaging and entertaining narrative flow.

For those who haven't tuned into the reunion, this summary captures the essence of the episode's key moments and the hosts' unique perspectives, making it a valuable resource for understanding the latest developments in RHOC Season 18.

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Note: Advertisements and non-content segments have been excluded to focus solely on the reunion recap and hosts' analysis.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then Tamara goes to see Alexis, who's getting clam. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun. And Alexis, like, oh, my God. Honest to God, I just don't want to open. I just don't want to fight. I just want to speak my truth, girl. Fun, Lexi.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I think my biggest advice here is try not to. To be John's voice. Well, it's your voice actually, together. Because we're like both, like, we're like one now, Tamra. But like, I, you know, I'm not gonna bring him up, but they're going to continue with the lies. I'm going to have to defend him because he doesn't have a voice, but he does have a big dick. And we've already five times today. Sorry. So much of an overshare. Shannon's had a voice for four years, and he's kept quiet, but no more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Shannon is basically a witch octopus from the ocean who stole John's voice for four years. John has been combing his hair with a comb and trying to figure. With a fork and trying to figure out how to walk with legs. Okay? So that's where we're at. Okay. So you bet your butt I'm gonna be standing up for my man. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Shannon. Shannon's had a voice for a long time. Shannon's been like the default Siri voice. And then I'm gonna be. When you go into the settings and you realize there's other voices you can choose. Okay. There are other voices that need to be heard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then Tamara was like, but it's already been out there. Like, it's already been talked about. Like, nope, nope, nope. The truth is not out there. Okay? This is not the X Files. And the truth is not out there. The truth has been shown. And if John. It's not been shown. And if John lied about something, then I wouldn't have to be John's voice, would I? You know, if the lies would have stopped, but the lies didn't stop. They just keep going.

[Ronnie Karam]

They just keep going.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. Show the video or just be quiet. Like, seriously, you're such a waste of space.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everyone comes back to the sofas, and. And he's like, all right. Well, after Emily and Heather's long, simmering tension came to a head at Heather's fashion show, it seemed like these two were finally on the same page. Just laughing at the concept of anyone you're understanding what a book is? But Katie threatened to derail their good vibes with a rumor that can only be described. Wait for it. The babysitter's flub. Because it's like, club, but it's like a flub.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, let's watch. So now we have.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a father now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we watch the whole thing with this stuff with the kid and everything. So now, by the way, Emily Morgan from Kyle's Vagina says she wants to know how you felt seeing Heather's. I don't know who Kyle is. Could be any Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

You are not supposed to question people's sexuality. That's Kyle's thing. I cannot believe that people are questioning sexuality. You just don't do that. And in the LGBT community, we all know that that is not what you do. Okay, Kyle, you spent the entire season coming onto this woman, parading her in public, gay queerbaiting. She wrote. You did that music video where you guys were making out and shit and being each other's lovers, and then she came out with a song about eating you out in the fucking Chateau Marmont. Get the fuck over your. All you're trying to do is get people to question your sexuality. I haven't seen one person even question it. Nobody's questioned it. All I've seen is people saying, this is the most boring lesbian shit I've ever seen in my life. You are making lesbians look bad. Lesbians are actually trying to come out of the closet. That's not lesbian anymore. Because they don't want to be in the same club as your cracker. Boring ass. Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

I apologize to the audience for activating Ronnie during an already, like, activation friendly segment with Alexis Blino. The ground is fertile, and I. And I water it. I apologize.

[Ben Mandelker]

So here we go with Gina. And I'm sorry, but Kyle Richards. I mean, it's been a whole year since I've talked about her. My God, she is just as ridiculous as ever. So back to this Gina. I'm so glad to watch Gina and Emily to get a chance to just lick Heather's butthole and try and get back, try and stay in her good graces. I mean, these two are just shameless, and they're embarrassing to watch. Ben, let's. Let's watch it. Let's take.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically, it's like, because there was that comment that Heather made in the confessional where she goes, by the way, the dress did fit Emily tightly. So Emily's like, first of all, I felt like that comment was really out of character for Heather because she usually doesn't even know my name. And if she does want to refer to me, she usually just says snuffle off against. So the fact that she called me by name was a little bit out of character.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, you know, everything that happened was just because of me. When I say me, I mean, my mom. But, you know, as I was projecting and, you know, I had a psychological response, a physical response. I feel like I was going to cry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I had to go to the bathroom.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was hurtful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it was like when I took the bar to become a lawyer, which I am. I'm a lawyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

How do you think it make. It feels? How do you think it makes people feel who are overweight or struggling from weight issues? When you make it sound like being overweight is the most disgusting thing on the planet, and you can't believe that someone would consider you overweight. You know, that kind of hurts people's feelings, too. And that's not meant to be like some evil slam, but, like, think about what you're saying sometimes, because you're a dick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she. So Heather's like, I would never. It was gossip.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you're gorgeous. For poor.

[Ben Mandelker]

You'd been taking shots of me all season. And then we see clips of Emily taking shots at her all season of being an. And she's like, okay. And she goes. And, you know, I mean, I. I wish they would put a clip package together to show you, but I don't want to watch it. But I know you would probably think it's funny. And she's like, I do think it's funny. Well, then there you go. Like, you can't come here and cry when someone makes one snotty comment about you when all you do is make shitty comments about people constantly, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

And now let's watch a clip package of me and Hot in Cleveland and on Reba. Okay, still waiting on that clip package. All right, we can start it now. All right, there. And then we have that pilot, the CBS pilot I did, and we can start that Clip package. Now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let'S start the clip package of that sitcom of Reba's Happy's Place that I'm probably not gonna be on, but who cares because she's a size 12. Anyway. Now nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Malibu Country. My guest stint on Malibu country with no. All right, how about the time I had a audition for Just Shoot Me and now. No, I thought I gave that to the producers ahead of time.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we do get a clip. We do get some clips of Emily going off about Heather and screaming at Gina, being like, you kiss her ass, and you just can't receive things when Emily is just about spend the rest of the episode licking Heather's butthole. So, you know, that's it. And basically, of course, they forgive each other. And Emily's like, well, you know, I appreciate it, and I know you mean it. I was just shock value at first because it just doesn't sounds like you. I mean, me taking shots at people. That. And Jen goes, yeah, that's not shocking. She goes, you know it's not shocking, right? Because it's hilarious. And I do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Still talking. But it's fair that it's okay because that's just what you do. Okay? And she's like, yeah, and because it's funny. Oh, all right. All right, sorry. All right, cool. Tamara, it was great to see Sophia again this season. It was sweet. So sweet seeing Callie and Sophia connecting. Did they maintain that? Or did Callie run from the hills when she realized that she would have anything to do with you and your family?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Tamara's like, oh, well, Sophia, she said that she kept trying to reject Kaylee, but then Katie didn't call her back and text back another shed. Why would you think this is gonna work? Sophie is like a Fiona Apple type, like, moody artist chick, and Kaylee is like a TikTok influencer. I don't think that. I don't think that's. Those two would not sit together in the cafeteria. Like, let's stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Katie's like, oh, yeah, she's bad at that. She doesn't even respond to me, and I pay for her cell phone. Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny how my daughter blatantly disrespects me? It's like, okay, well, when Kelly. When Kelly talked about Emily's twins saying Heather was mean to their mom, did you believe that at the time? Yeah, Well, I thought it was funny because that's just like, you know, it's not a kid's mouth. Like, they overhear things. So when I told Emily I was snickering because I thought, like, wow, this is funny. Kids say the darndest things like, I'm so hot, you know? And then, like, when I saw her face drop, I was like, oh, oh, did I just cast some drama?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie's like, well, I just. I never meant that to be a connotation that you're a bad mother. Okay? I. I just. I apologize to you for that. And I was like, well, you apologize to me. But then you walked away and then you twisted the story around and said that it was my kids that were lying. Emily. Emily, of course you talk about Heather and everybody else in front of your kids. I don't know, once. Listen, I know a ton of mothers, and I also have one. I don't know any single mother that doesn't talk shit about people in front of their kids.

[Ronnie Karam]

100%.

[Ben Mandelker]

When are you going to do that? You're always around your kids. You can't escape your fucking kids. My mom used to go to the bathroom and we would bang on the bathroom door and go, mom, mom, mom. To the point where she would go, leave me alone. This is the only time I get to myself sobbed in there for begging for some privacy. There's no way you ever have enough privacy to talk about people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Children will listen. Children will listen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Gina's like singing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gina's like, well, you know what, Katie? You're the one who's having conversations in your home that are inappropriate. And Heather's like, you literally said, I'm having an adult conversation with my daughter that I would never have with my young son. And then he asked you roll the footage. And now we see the footage of Bandon saying, was Heather being a jerk again for the millionth time? And Katie being like, oh, God. So Katie tries to do some, like, Real Housewives stuff. She goes, listen, I was crying after we came home from the golf event and you heard it. Oh, what did I do to you? Aside from giving you a $1,000 bottle of Dom Perignon. Remember that? And Katie's like, no, I'm just saying that you make me cry. When I see you, I cry. I see your eyes and I. I see the depths of life in society and mankind. And it's scary to me. And I cry and I cry for days and days and days, and I worry that a creature is going to crawl out of my TV and murder me. It was a lot for me to take on Heather. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, with that whole thing, I think Katie, you know, just because Heather makes me crazy doesn't mean she's not right sometimes. And this. She's right about this. I mean, Katie was an asshole. She came on with this weird storyline to try and do a gotcha and have her Big Housewives moment, and it tanked. Like, it really tanked. And Heather just ate her up when she tried it at that golf thing. And she was humiliated. So I'm sure she went home and she cried because she just got ate up on tv. Yeah, she's humiliated. Like, I get why she would be crying. You know, she deserves to cry. She tried. She's coming to a big, big dog game, and she failed at that one. So she's probably humiliated. But also, you're a very dismissive, awful lady. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

But. But Katie also, by the way, and they get. They get into this with her a little bit, and, like, Katie needs to put her foot down a little bit with the kids. Okay? I know we're not supposed to tell people how. How to parent, but guess what I'm gonna do?

[Ben Mandelker]

We are. We're a village. You know, what happened to the village raising the children? You're the village.

[Ronnie Karam]

That kid Bandon may be cute as fuck, but the moment he said that about Heather, like, Katie's response should have been like, you stop that right now. Whatever it is. Like, yeah, you don't get to talk about adults like that. And when Kaylee said the thing at the. At the pottery store, she should have not been saying, oh, my God, listen to this. She. She should have, like, just shut it down. Like, you know what? We don't talk about adults like that. These are my friends that you're not doing this. She. She. Whatever it was that she should have said. She was just sort of very passive and giggly about it in a way that I was like, that's not right. Shouldn't be doing this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's. She does. She quite obviously does talk with her kids, but I'm from a mom that does that, so to me, it's totally normal. So to hear everybody villainizing it, like, that's a terrible thing to do is weird to me. But I think you can talk shit. You gotta keep it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta keep it in the house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because if I did that when I was a kid, if I repeated something, my mom would be like, oh, hell no. That's inside voice. I'm not gonna talk shit around you if you. If you can't hold water. Like, you need to keep that to yourself or you're not gonna hear any more gossip, you little queen. And I'd be Like, okay, I won't. I won't ever do it again, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So Andy's like, so. But, guys, don't you guys all talk in front of your kids? And they're like, no. What?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, they're, like, horrified. Like, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily goes, have you met Shane Simpson? And all of America's like, unfortunately, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Never called Kelly Dodd trash or, you know, done anything in front of the kids. I don't buy it.

[Ronnie Karam]

He also doesn't talk. So, like, that's why they don't. That's why they don't talk shit in front of their kids, because he doesn't talk. So he's like. She's like. My little boys were like, do you know Heather? Is she a mean person? And Shane and I both looked at each other and he said to me, can I have a taco? And I was like, shane, now is not the time for jokes.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you're going to bring my kids into it, at least give me a taco.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that's why when Tamara brought it up to me, I was so pissed. I was pissed because I was like, I did the appropriate thing in this situation. I shut it down. I didn't make Haley look bad. I didn't bring it up. So then when you're here laughing and talking about it and you bring my children into it, it was hurtful, and it could have done real damage to my relationship with Heather. I don't think the point about the damage to her relationship with Heather, that's whatever. But I think Emily does deserve credit because she did sit on it, and she did not bring it onto the TV show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah, but it's also something so stupid, and she didn't bring it onto the TV show because it could have implicated her, too. And she doesn't want to look bad in front of Heather. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but it was like. It's still kind of icky, this thing of, like. Which is very. Heather say, this is just kind of icky, but, like, well, your daughter said this to my kids. No, your kids said this to my daughter. Daughter. She's like, we're not even gonna go there. And I actually respect her for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, they can't have this whole thing about, you can't bring kids and then, like, lay into the kids.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like they're about an entire segment about Kaylee. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

These hypocrites. So then Heather is like, I don't even know what I've done to you. Did I run over your cat?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold, please. Hold for applause. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, your turn. I don't have a cat. That one.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't have a cat. Oh, so suddenly you don't have a cat because you ran over it. Oh, Heather's like, Heather's like, I don't know what I have done to you. And your daughter is going out into the world and speaking ill of me amongst her peers and putting tick tocks out. She's doing tick tocks for the world to see to all the girls my mom works with so that are fake ass who suck dick. And everyone's like, oh, I love, I love Heather being on a show that amplifies terrible behavior and cat fights. And then it's like, your daughter is making tiktoks about me. I'm like, oh, I'm sure all Kaylee's 45 followers are really what's gonna.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's got a thousand followers. Actually, she's got a lot. Yeah, she's huge.

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather's like, I, I have history historically played very well with Gen Z and she's ruining all of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kaylee.

[Ronnie Karam]

I live next to Drake for crying out loud. Now Drake will won't even take my calls. I mean, he never took my calls, but he's getting closer to taking my calls.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kaylee. Her name is Kaylee, right? I think so.

[Ronnie Karam]

I, I call her something different every single sentence. Kaylee. Callie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wait, no, let me see. Kaylee. Katie. Katie. Why is that? Kay? There's Kylie. No, come on, guys, stop with me. You know what I'm talking about.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kaylee.

[Ben Mandelker]

Janell. Janella. But it doesn't go to her. Katie. Janella. Oh, come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So while you look that up. So Heather. Yeah, Heather is like quoting the tick tock. She's saying we are fake ass who suck dick. Hahaha. Someone send that to Drake. Tell Mike and talk dirty. And then Chad's like, wow, Heather. Wow. You use those words. Oh, this is, this is wild. This is Harvey. Well, I may have had an espresso martini ahead of time. I'm fabulous. Heather Dubrow, America's best girlfriend. Did you find it?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I can't find it. That's so weird. I heard that she, she was like a tick tock influencer with 400000 followers. I don't know if that's true. I haven't proven it, obviously, because I can't find it. But anyway, where are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, that was really just like two lines ahead. Andy is like, well, she, Kaylee did do like a lip sync and Katie's Like I know it's not. God, it's disturbing. It's more disturbing than Alexis Bellino giving John Jansen a BJ.

[Ben Mandelker]

If she's 20, I. I don't control her social media. And Heather's like, well, my kids are 20 years old and they would never do that. Yeah, because you'd cut them off. Heather Break. And also because taken away by Dr. Phil or some.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, of course. And I asked her to take it down. I don't approve of any of that. Although I did laugh quite a bit. It like, you know, even Sophia was disgusted. Guys. Sophia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I believe the children are future. Don't let them see Kaylee's tick tocks and then they won't flourish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, so really Sophia was disgusted. So you're going to use Sophia now in this? Sophia's disgusted by everything. That's her resting nature. That's why we love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well also Sophia, Sophia was not getting text backs from this girl. So of course she's going to be extra disgusted by anything Kaylee does. As she should be. Who doesn't text someone back.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then Shannon's like, well, let me tell you one thing. If my cat ever did something like that, I would say, what the the fuck are you doing? But I would do it with my eyes, and I would cross my arms, and they would just know. They would know.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie's like, but I did say that. Matt and I both did. Now could they hear us? Probably not, because we're in the golf world, so. And Heather's like, well, Shannon, there's tacit approval in what she's doing. Heather, don't you think it's like, do you think it's just a coincidence that every year it's about somebody being terrified of you or someone calling you mean? You're mean. You're terrifying. You're not nice, Heather. Okay, should we pull all the waiters in your neighborhood? Because I'll bet there's some real stories out there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do not admonish me on this. We are not going to adjudicate this tacit approval. So Jen's like, katie was massively on the fence with it, and she asked me my honest opinion. And I said, katie, never in a million years would Everly get away with that. I don't care how old she is. And Katie said, who the fuck is Everly? And I said, I honestly don't know. It just came into my. My head. I thought it'd be a fun thing to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just two extremely stupid names I put together in my head.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have you ever met a Lee? And then said, God, I wish Lee would last forever. So you start calling her Everly. Really fun to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

We were going to name her Neverly, but it just sounded so negative. So Heather's like, still talking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why not get on the group chat? I am still. Still me. My turn. I really wanted her to do that more because that's not my favorite thing that she does.

[Ben Mandelker]

My turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why not get on the group chat and say, sorry, ladies, I asked her to take it down. Horrifying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I didn't even think of doing that. And that is why it's horrifying. Tamara's like, well, what was the motivation? What was the motivation? Her motivation is that Heather's a fucking asshole and that she's ruined. She's fighting with her mom all season and trying to ice her out of everything. That's her problem. What do you think? What's her motivation? Give me a break. That side of the couch. All of you on that side.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emily Simpson, attorney at law. Hello. The TikTok. It is clear to me that this is your daughter and that has a problem with the woman, and she's the one that is talking. My case is closed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your kids probably said it too. I'm sure everybody's kids are terrified of her. And Katie's like, well, when I watched the last episode, I said, kaylee, you need to be honest with me. And she told the same story. Now, listen, could she lie? I don't know. There's a possibility. I don't think so. And then Andy is like, they're all fighting now. Andy's like, okay, all right. We beating this to death. All right, we beaten this one to death. Heather goes, I could beat it some more.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Andy. I think Andy's like, I don't want to get into a fight about these children right now on this show. So now here comes Alexis walking to the stage, and Katie. Katie tells Jen. She goes, I told Kelly. Kelly Cooley, whatever my daughter's name is, I'm gonna take the heat for this because of your stupidity. And Jen goes, well, when you told her that, did you say, thank you so much also? Thank you so much. You're a wonderful daughter. What did you say? Just know what's coming, you know? And were you like, she's an adult. I tried.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, what are you gonna do? So Jen's like, oh, my gosh, I have a mint. And she goes, well, don't worry. It's not gonna be about you right now, because it's Alexis. So she's like, oh, my God, my dress. Guys, my dress is splitting. Hold on. I have to fix my dress. Be back in 10. It's me again, Lexi.

[Ronnie Karam]

And what's so funny is they. They built in this staircase on the set, so when people walk in, they're coming down this glamorous staircase, but they show footage of Alexis walking up to the staircase. Because the truth is, if you just pull the camera out a little bit, you see the staircase leads just to another staircase. That goes backstage. So it's not like it leads a big upstairs area. So we just see Alexis get into position, go up the little staircase, and then come down the onset staircase, which is. I think what was so funny about that to me was it just sort of exposes that, like, this big glamorous entrance that she's having is not glamorous at all. It's just her walking up and down a little mound. Does that make sense?

[Ben Mandelker]

They only make it look shitty for her, which is funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everyone make it look like, here come.

[Ben Mandelker]

The glamorous housewives and her. They're like, here she comes out of a trailer, up a backstair.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that what it's called? A back stair? No, on a set.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just a set. Stairs. I mean, I don't know. So then I was gonna tell a mame story, but you know what? We're going long, so I'll skip that. So Katie's. So Alexis comes out and Andy's like, jesus jocks has resurfaced.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I asked you this on Watch what Happens Live, but I think it's worth me asking this again. You're down with the nickname Jesus Jugs, right? Yeah, it kind of grew on me. Yeah. Well, I'm really glad I took time to ask that. Hey, congratulations on your engagement to John Jansen. Andy is such a fucker when he does that. He knows that Shannon is sitting there like, oh, well, you know, I never even got a congratulations for stuffing cream cheese into a salmon. And now this one, this slut get the congratulations for getting engaged to my man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you set a date yet? We have. Well, what's the date? And she's like, within the year. So. Okay, what does that mean? But then we see an Instagram post, and it's like, on cloud nine. Heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart, heart. What is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Party favor, too?

[Ben Mandelker]

Party favor. Celebrating nine months of love and lifter and looking forward to my forever with you. Every moment together has been a gift. And by the way, I'm saying that because it has been a gift. Not alone. I'm so in love with you and the beautiful life we're building together with our kids. And the answer is 1 million percent yes. 1 Corinthians 13:13. And now these three main. Now these three main. Faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love gift from my mom. Hashtag. Well, glad you got some Corinthians in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So, you know, I sent a picture of the engagement ring to my whole Family chain. And Miles responded and was like, what the. And then he was like, call me now. All capital letters. And Shannon's like, oh, wow. Look at. Look at. Look at Emily's face. Look at her face. Is he. Emily just like. And Alexis is like. And, you know, he's like. Miles was like. He was like, john, you did not even ask my permission. And he was so cute. And then he was like. John's like, are you okay with it? And then Miles is like, yeah, I love you. So it was like. It was, like, a good reaction.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Emily's just falling asleep. So then Andy's like, are you gonna move in? She's like, no, no, because John's house is small, so we're gonna be doing two houses, so Jim will still have to pay for one. What am I, an idiot? What am I, a goddamn idiot? So then we see.

[Ronnie Karam]

Basically, we talk about, I hope you enjoy the soda stream in John Jansen's house, because that was put there by me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hope he serves you some nice soda. And his Ferragamo shoes that I bought. So then we. Andy's like, you know, Alexis, you're really religious. The first time around, Heather goes, still is. Still is. And then we see a flashback of her being like, my husband. Jim and I wanted to have a very structured family life where God was first, our marriage was second, and our children were third. And so Andy's like, yeah, you invoked your. Your faith. And she's like, well, Andy, I don't like to use the word religion anymore. I think that's a very negative connotation. Religion. It does religion.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I'm very religious about my spirituality. Yeah, it doesn't. I think that. Yeah, well, I think that's just been like, flung at her so many times that she's like, I'm gonna rebrand. So I'm very. I'm very spiritual.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not that you're religious. It's that you're a hypocrite. You. You don't have to change the. The meaning of the word religious. Maybe change the meaning of the word hypocrite. You fucking hypocrite.

[Ronnie Karam]

I do love my God, and that's, like, the way God wants it to be. And, like, it's supposed to be God and then your spouse and then your kids, and that's the way it just, like, works in. In a better marriage. So, like, I mean, like, I do have those values, and, like, I believe in something higher than yourself, like a maxi dress. And then that way you're Going to be a better person.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this is interesting because she was very strongly Christian. Christian. Jesusy. Like the term Jesus jugs comes from somewhere. She was very, very, like, evangelical. Evangelical Christian. And now she's changing it. She's saying nothing's changed because all she's ever really believed in is God, which is. I don't know. It's like a. It's like a petty thing to even care about, but it's like, okay, okay, Alexis. So Andy's like, well, how do your kids? And he's like, kind of tiptoeing, because apparently they've agreed not to talk about this too much because neither one of them has really said it on the show, like, straight out. But Andy's like, well, I wonder how your kids and their sexuality has changed you or made you think of things differently. And she's like, it hasn't changed. Changed my mind about lgbtq or that everyone should have their own rights to live their life the way they want. All it's done is make me understand the pain that goes with that, because when people are judgmental, it changed. Just me being more vocal about it, that's all. It's done. I was always like this. I was always super vocal for LGBTQ people. Now I'm just more vocal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. And I'm assuming that brought you and Heather together and you have a bond relating to your kids. Yes. Also, I offered her a job as a maid in my house, and that's still pending, so we're going to see fingers crossed.

[Ben Mandelker]

I told her we can bond over LGBTQ or we can also bond over lgbt. Clean. Now.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you've got time to. If you've got time to pray, you've.

[Ben Mandelker]

Got time to spray. Here's some Windows X. Oh, and by the.

[Ronnie Karam]

And at BravoCon, you and Tamara squashed your beef. This is just my way of telling the audience why everyone was friends with you all of a sudden. Yes. And we. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have we talked about the last Jim Bellino? Yeah. And you apologized. Yeah, I apologize. And while Tamara's talking about how Alexis apologized for the lawsuit and everything, you just see Shannon Shan's watching, and she is like, like, breathing rage. Like, her chest is, like, going up and down. Like, I can't believe these lies, these lies being told about me right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because not only is it Alexis sitting there, but just the horseshit coming out of Tamara's mouth, because you know that Tamara has never heard this part because they were both sued by these people. And it turns out that Tamara goes behind Shannon's back and she's like, alexis, it. I'm a terrible person for what I did to you. I'm so sorry for what I put your family through. Alexis, I take full responsibility for every little thing I did. When their whole defense was, we didn't do anything. Why the. What the fuck? Then Tamara's just like, turning it, like, go get Shannon. I didn't do shit, you know? Yeah, she sucks, man. And Shannon just looks like she's gonna go over there and strangle this woman. It was really funny. Shannon's looks so, like, what was it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like coming back to the show after being gone for 10 years? Like, was it different from. From before? Well, I mean, like, this has been a bit of a whirlwind. I mean, you know, like, I really needed it. Like, Andy, I really need. I was. I was ready to go, like, get back to work. And like, I, you know, I had to get back out of bed. And Shan's like, well, it's. It's her career. Shannon saying that as if it's not Shannon's career.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, you know, because after my mom's passing, I just, you know, I was. I just. I needed to get back to work, Andy, you know what I mean? And so Shannon's like, oh, God. Well, no. First Andy's like, okay, well, Shannon, where did things stand with the lawsuit? And she's like, well, we're still waiting to hear from John's response. He lowered his offer to 70. And I agreed. And I know my. I agreed because my legal costs will be more than 70. And that's a really hard thing for me. Me to do. But I said I would give him the 70, but he wouldn't sign a mutual disparagement agreement, which Emily, who's a lawyer, I'm a lawyer. Emily, who's a lawyer will tell you is very common in court cases. And Emily's like, it is. I'm a lawyer.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what else is also common in a life case? A mom who checks in on her daughter. So Andy is like, so is a mutual non disparage. Yes. Especially when someone's talking about videos, Alexis. You know, when you don't make a full offer, what was the first offer that you made? Like 30, 000 or something. And then you. Then there's like 35, 000 that came through. And like. But there weren't the videos brought up in Big Bear. So they're talking about, like, how did the videos impact this that Lexus is talking about? And she goes you know, I only brought up the videos because I was in, you know, it was. I was in a very, like, you know, I didn't mean to. I didn't mean to bring up those videos. Basically, I went. I meant to go onto bank of America to see if we've been paid yet, and then accidentally, videos came up on my phone instead. It's like, I didn't really mean to do any of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I believe that one. And she's like, no, no, seriously. And then we see the footage where Alexis is in the car going, oh, there's so many lies that have been spoken about John. And they're going to be cleaned up. And if you want the videos, I'll bring it. So bitch better just sit back because I've got videos. And I will slaughter her with videos. You know, what she's having for dinner. Videos. And now she's like, I mean, what? I barely even said. I can't. What did I. I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Post production. Post production roasts Alexis with all the unseen footage in this segment. Like, everything that Alexis claims they completely debunk time and time again. She's like, I brought it up because it was in a weak moment. I was away from Johnny J. Like, how could you be strong when you're away from the man that you love? You know, it was not to be brought up. And John, Johnny J. Has never brought it up, so there was no extortion.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Katie's like, but it was brought up on camera. And she goes, your attorney's the one who brought that up. And John's attorney said, you're the one that brought it up. You know, we did not. You've got to go back to your emails and check the truth because you have really strange relationship with the truth. You just brought it up, Alexis. You just admitted you brought it up. So what are you talking about? We all saw you bring it up. Shannon didn't bring it up. Her lawyer talked about it. After she had heard about it from everybody else, she called her lawyer.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then. And so she says, yeah, you know, because you have a real strange relationship with the truth. And then they all laugh because Emily's like, that's what John said. And we see a footage of Johnny J saying, shannon has a real interesting relationship with the truth. You know what? Stop being John's mouthpiece. That's exactly what John said. They're really obsessed with people being people's mouthpieces on this episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because they really have so many mouthpieces. It's like those Little chattering teeth, toys that you wind up. And they're just on the table, like, so then they're like, okay, so you're just copying her line verbatim. And Tamara goes, be quiet, Emily. And she goes, no, fuck her. Tamara's like, stay in line with our team. And Shannon's like, oh, really? And how many times did you practice in front of Amir, saying, there's the door, Shannon Beador. There was no door.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were so proud of having a door burn in a doorless situation. And Alexa's like, I didn't. I never. You know, I never practiced that. And so now, more unseen footage. She's like, guess what, guys? When I see Shannon Bedor, I'm gonna say, here's the door, Shannon Bedor. And then, like, I'm gonna, like, look at a door, and I'm gonna pull the door, but I'm gonna make sure I point when I point, though. Guys, should I point at a door or should I point at a vase? At a door. Okay, I thought so. I thought it would make more sense if I pointed a door. Okay, let's. From the top, there's a door. Shannon Bedor.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then, what's next here? She's like, well, I didn't know you were gonna confront me. And you berated me for 25 minutes that day, too, Shannon. Shannon goes, a liar face. You lied to me that day. She goes, oh, yeah? Well, Andy says, how did she lie to you? And Shannon's like, you said, dig it up, Shannon. I never sent you anything. Well, looky here. It's on my phone. And so let me just see how.

[Ronnie Karam]

To know how to actually open one of these phones. I. I just. I'm like, I'm not quite sure. Do you know how to work this is. It says, shannon, your flashlight's on. We're trying to tip their unit. There's a flashlight function. I'm not familiar. What are we. What are we doing yet? You're trying to show proof that she's a liar. Oh, yes. I don't know how to use this phone. It's too new. I'm sorry, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Alexis is like, you didn't you know. You're a liar, Shannon. I never said any of that. And Andy's like, no, you did say that you'd sent her a thing. And Alexis is like, well, I have it, Shannon. I sent it to you. She goes, no, not from Jim's phone. Your phone. And Andy's like, but you said, we're suing you. She. She goes, no, no, let Me give you some background to this. This is why it's. Again, another lie. Because there was a court document. It was not a cease and desist like she said. And I have no signature on any part of that stuff. And Emily's like, your name is an interested party. She's. Oh, yeah, well, Emily should know, because she's a lawyer, that I'm an interested party because I was his spouse. So that's why. No, he's like, okay, so I'm just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Saying that you're not. I'm just saying that you're saying that you're not involved. Bulbs. Well, it got the ball rolling. Okay, well, Andy, if they're not gonna let me talk, then I'm not gonna stay. If they don't. If they won't let me talk, I won't stay. I won't stay. Andy, no, you're a friend. Isn't your time. Just go. So Katie's like, oh, so Andy's like, no, no, stay. Well, don't worry. I'm gonna be here for a quick second, Shannon, okay? So just shush. Don't you shush me ever. So Andy's like, okay, so you're not on the court document. Okay, I want to explain that text. Okay? Very simple. Jim calls me and he goes, alexis, Shannon is saying that I allow people to break their neck in my trampoline park.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is so funny because it's also Alexis now falling out of line and defaming the trampoline park. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's funny that the whole point is.

[Ben Mandelker]

He wanted that podcast edited, so that was never heard by anybody, you know, like, being bat.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it was funny when I remember when they opened up that trampoline park, and everyone's like, can you believe the binos are opening up a trampoline park? And then it's funnier that then a giant lawsuit came out of it. And now it's even funnier that all these years later, the trampoline park is continuing to haunt this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Still there. So, I mean, the trampoline park lasted longer than anybody ever thought. Just in general, right? God, those things. It's like escape rooms. People still do that all the time. I thought that was just a quick fad that was going to go away. And there's. People are like, my friends are more into the escape room. Like, really? Oh, God. So Shannon's like, well, I never said that. And Andy says, well, don't repeat it because you're gonna get sued for it again. She goes, well, I won. And he goes, oh, you did?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then Andy starts like, wait, I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Want to say, children.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is hurting our children. Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Andy starts laughing when she says. When Shannon says, well, I actually won, he's like, oh, really? Oh, awesome. And he's like, they're like, laughing and kikiing. And Alexis the entire time has been talking like. And then Jim Molino. Jim told me that then I have to text Shannon. So that's what I did. And as you can see, I'm vindicated. Is anyone listening to me anymore? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she was like, I had to. I did. He made me text Shannon and Tamara. And so I sent one to protect everybody and say, back down and tell the truth and take back what you said. And so you did have something to do with it. Give me a break, Alexis. And it's. I'm sorry, but it's not a coincidence that you're dating two guys who have just suddenly decided to sue people that you don't like. So give me a break. And Jim's. She's. Shannon's like, well, did it come from your phone, Alexis? You pushed send. You started the ball. And Alexis is like, did not. Jim was going to. And guess what, Shannon, Whether I sent the text or not, Jim was going to sue your ass. Okay? He was still going to sue you. Okay, so, well, then why were you sending the text at all if you knew that Jim was gonna do it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, here is a very. A very coherent story. Tamara knows this story. Okay? I saw your ex husband having dinner, and John took me, and I was supposed to sign the settlement that day, but then 5:00 hit, and so John and I go out to dinner because, you know, we need to have our tequila, and your ex husband's sitting across from me, and he's pointing and he's laughing, and there were two of him. I couldn't believe there were two Jimbolinos right in front of me. And. And then finally he says to John, you want to take it outside? And John goes, well, he didn't really say anything because John doesn't talk. But then he eventually goes, how old are you? 10? And then I got up and I walked right over to the Jimbolinos, and I. Well, I kind of stumbled. I cleaned into one table and then another table, and then I finally got to Jim's table and I said, listen, you, I am not going to settle with you, asshole. And guess what? I ended up winning. I did pass out in a booth at the Quiet Woman that night, but I wound up winning. The case.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Alexis is like, ha. Well, it still cost you $500,000, so maybe you should have just apologized. Oh, fuck you. She was found innocent because you guys were fraudulently suing her. And now you're laughing like it's hilarious that you cost someone $500,000 and that you're trying to do it again. You're evil.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Gummy up the system.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. You. Jesus. Stupid slug. Get out of here. Jesus, slug. Not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, I didn't do anything wrong. Yes, yes, you did. You defamed a tre. Trampoline park. And Emily's like, she didn't defame anyone or anything or any parks or any trampolines. She won. I'm a lawyer. Yeah, she did win, and she's still on the show, so she really won.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, so what do you call me? Liar face. Okay, liar face. Look in the mirror, girlfriend.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't like. I didn't like. Oh, are you delusional? Because every single person on this cast, including Tamara just now, has come up to me, and I couldn't say I could never do what you're doing right now. Fill me in this situation. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why we all had sympathy for you in that brief moment when you were sober and not wasted because you're an alcoholic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Tamara, yeah, we had sympathy for you, which is why I've been consorting with the enemy ever since. Bravo. Kind of bring you down this season. It's been so sad to watch it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Me being involved in a lawsuit. I just. I just want you to be aware of that. I'm in a lawsuit, and she's. You know what? I. They've all come to me, and they've told me that they know this is difficult for me too, Shannon, because I'm with the love of my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not easy, you know, it's really hard. Not John. And that's hard for me. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do. So you made the choice, Alexis. And she's, well, so did you. She goes, well, it's my job, and I've been here for 10 years. And Alexis is like, it's my job, too. Shannon's like, oh, really? I took your job 10 years ago, and I'm still sitting here. She's like, well, fine. I came back 10 years later. And she's like, oh, yeah, A friend. Hi, friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

As a friend, this is like a soap opera, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, you're back.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Alexis is like. She's like, shannon, it's still a jab. She's like, oh, you're a friend. Oh, no. Oh, well, this is your. This is your career, Alexis. Oh, wow. Some of us have other gigs, like putting cream cheese in salmon, a late night on television.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been on TV for 15 years. Then the audience just died. I can't imagine anybody kept five different shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. I'm like, what are these? It's like this showing, like below deck, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

You were on one episode of below deck. What else? What are you even talking about? Does she do like, marriage boot camp or some?

[Ronnie Karam]

Probably she's. Oh. Oh, wow. Five different shows. You're a TV star. There's the door. Alexis Bellino. I'll work on that. I'll work on that. Now I see why she rehearsed. I see why she rehearsed. It's helpful. It's helpful to know the line before you say it. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Stupid Alexis. What an idiot. And then everybody just starts laughing at her openly and mocking her. Couldn't. Couldn't see somebody go down in a more fun way. What a dummy. What a line, dummy. And have fun with your karma. Have fun marrying that sack of goo. You guys are going to have a real good time. So I guess I was more enraged by this reunion than I thought because I feel like I just yelled for a straight two hours. I was like, wow, it's going to be nice to come in and have a peaceful day. That reunion didn't even phase me. I guess it did. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, just what happens. It's been. It's been an emotional month, everyone. Thank you so much for being here. I'm seeing now my video is flickering. I wonder why my video is flickering. That's weird. I will get that taken care of. Thanks everyone here for being here. Thanks for being here this week. And we'll be back next week with a whole new host of recaps. Have a great weekend, everyone.

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