#2623 RHOP 0907: Short, Stop!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2623 – RHOP 0907: Short, Stop!

Release Date: November 18, 2024
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2623 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the latest happenings of The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), offering their trademark blend of praise, ridicule, and sharp commentary on the Bravo reality series. This episode, titled "Short, Stop!", focuses on themes surrounding height dynamics among the cast members and unpacks recent dramatic developments within the show's narrative.

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Main Topics Discussed

1. Height Dynamics and "Short Men" Commentary

Ben and Ronnie kick off the episode by addressing the portrayal of shorter men in RHOP. They express empathy towards short male characters, labeling them as "short kings" and critiquing the show's tendency to spotlight taller, more traditionally attractive men, often sidelining their shorter counterparts.

• Notable Quote:
  Ronnie (06:02): "Be nice to short people, you jerks."

2. Karen’s Court Date and Munchausen-Like Behavior

The hosts analyze Karen's upcoming court appearance, interpreting her behavior as a form of Munchausen by proxy, where she manipulates situations (like watering her plants excessively) to divert attention from her own issues.

• Notable Quote:
  Ben (07:04): "I can't talk about my ficus. There's a court case. I cannot talk about this."

3. Stacy and TJ’s Wholesome Yet Awkward Relationship

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the interactions between Stacy and TJ. Ben shares a "hot take" on TJ's demeanor, humorously comparing his non-smiling face to that of Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz, suggesting a lack of authenticity in his affable exterior.

• Notable Quote:
  Ben (10:05): "The letter D comes before GC Now I've ruined up my own sass."

4. Ashley’s Parenting and Divorce Struggles

The conversation shifts to Ashley, highlighting her challenges as a single mother navigating a divorce while managing her ex-partner's financial irresponsibility. Ronnie humorously critiques Ashley’s methods and the unrealistic expectations placed upon her.

• Notable Quote:
  Ronnie (24:18): "She's like, your freedom to not practice. Go. Let him practice celibacy."

5. Wendy’s Overbearing Family Dynamics

Ben and Ronnie explore Wendy's family interactions, particularly focusing on her mother's intrusive behavior and the financial dependencies within the household. They satirize the unrealistic and often dysfunctional relationships portrayed in the show.

• Notable Quote:
  Ben (51:15): "She said, do not have a single mom now, and I don't take care of you."

6. Darius and Jassy’s High-Profile Relationship

The hosts discuss the public nature of Darius and Jassy's relationship, poking fun at Jassy's attempts to emulate a first lady persona despite the underlying tensions and infidelities.

• Notable Quote:
  Ronnie (60:15): "What's fair when you're dating a seven-foot-tall person?"

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Key Discussions and Insights

• Authenticity vs. Image: Ben and Ronnie frequently question the genuineness of the cast members' portrayals, suggesting that many characters are more invested in their public image than in authentic relationships or personal growth.

• Heightism in Reality TV: The episode sheds light on the subtle biases present in reality television, where physical attributes like height can influence the spotlight and sympathy a cast member receives.

• Mental Health and Manipulation: Karen's behavior is scrutinized as a form of manipulation, raising questions about representations of mental health issues in reality TV and the potential stigmatization of those who struggle.

• Parenting Under Duress: Ashley's portrayal as a single mother grappling with financial neglect highlights the unrealistic and often dramatized challenges parents face on reality shows, which may not accurately reflect real-life complexities.

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Conclusions

Ben and Ronnie conclude the episode by reinforcing their stance against the superficial drama portrayed in RHOP. They advocate for more genuine storytelling and empathy towards all cast members, regardless of their physical attributes or personal struggles. The hosts emphasize the importance of looking beyond the manufactured conflicts to understand the real challenges behind the reality TV facade.

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Final Thoughts

Episode #2623 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and humorous critique of The Real Housewives of Potomac, focusing on the nuanced portrayal of height dynamics, dysfunctional relationships, and the quest for authenticity in reality television. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide insightful commentary that both entertains and provokes thought about the deeper implications of reality TV narratives.

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For listeners who enjoy in-depth critiques and entertaining discussions about Bravo shows, Watch What Crappens continues to be a must-listen podcast. Don't forget to support the hosts on Patreon for bonus content and exclusive access!

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[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. I need to get our heads even here on the video.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I rose up two bald heads, very even with each other while you're.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi everybody. Welcome to the show. It is Potomac Day. God bless us all. And it's also Crappy hour day. That is our bi weekly. Do not question its sexuality. Kyle Richards will be very upset with you. You don't do that. But it's our bi weekly Bravo gossip and News show on YouTube Live, also streamed on Instagram live if you'd prefer. And guess what? You'll always find it for free to the public on Patreon, which is also where you get all these videos right when they come out. And our bonus episodes. So it's fun times over there. This week's bonus episode was just bitching like grumpy old fuckers. We just bitched about everything that old people need to get off of our chest, our very saggy chest. So we did that. So go listen to that. And tonight on crappy Hour, we have a very special guest, YouTube, YouTube's own kempire the camp from the campaign channel. Wonderful guy. We're excited to meet him. We've been enamored with him for a long time on the Internet, but we're going to finally meet tonight. So join us for that 5:30 Pacific Time. What say you, Ben? How's everything going? How was your weekend?

[Ben Mandelker]

Weekend was so fun. I did very exciting things. Like for instance, I signed myself up on Blue Sky. You know, I cannot, I cannot resist a trend. And so I hopped on there. So go find me on there. Everyone. Ben Mandelker. And other than that, I. I made a cake, I watched football, I played board games. I did all the really fun things. You know, it Was just a really great weekend for me, and that's good. Yeah. And I ate a squash, so, you know, it was. It was good. I'm really excited. I am gonna do a small plug for my sub stack because it's Thanksgiving time here in the States. Thanksgiving is next week, and I know if you're like me, you enjoy putting together a Thanksgiving spread. So go check out my substack, nbdfancy.substack.com because I have posts on there about Thanksgiving and some ideas, and I'll probably write one this week, so go check it out.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

All the fun stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

So today is Potomac day. It is called Hard Launch Soft Landing. Not a good episode for short people. For short guys specifically. Short women are okay, but short men die. Just die already. Put yourself into a wood chipper. Because let me tell you, who hates you? Literally every woman on earth. They hate you. And you don't deserve to live. These short guys can't catch a break. I mean, or, you know, anything that's thrown too high. But these poor guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know our sweet short kings, they finally had an episode that was really. They really got to. I won't say stand tall, but they got to just be there on screen. And just when they're like, you know, feeling. You know, feeling a little pop cock in their walk or popping their whatever, you know, then comes this, like, tall Adonis football player, and it's like, wah, wah, wah. Back to the back to under the bridge. You go, you little trolls. Poor short kings. They deserve. They deserve better. They should not be put on the same episode as the tall super bowl winning football player.

[Ronnie Karam]

Two of them short kings rise above. You know what I mean? And of course, literally, because that's just not gonna happen. But, yeah, seriously, stop the short. Hey, what's wrong with short guys? You know, they have hearts. Their hearts are just the same size, but maybe a little not as tall, but they're still the same size hearts. Be nice to short people, you jerks. Yeah. Okay, so let's go on. On the screen. Seven days until Karen's court date. So Karen is watering plants and she's talking to them. And I think this is kind of like Karen's version of Munchausen by proxy. Just, like, forcing her plants to drink so, like, she can put the shift somewhere else, you know, Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I'm coming, children. Hold on. Mommy's gonna give you some water. Yes, Mommy's Giving you water. It's like turpentine. She's like, oh, no, you're sick again.

[Ronnie Karam]

We don't know what it is. It's a mysterious. My plants have been walking sideways all day. Now who's driving drunk little fish?

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't talk about it. I can't talk about my ficus. There's a court case. I cannot talk about this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go see how busy, busy, busy Karen is. And she's. You know, she's like, guys, we are going to start organizing a marketing plan for July. So that's our next area of focus. July. So in July, we need to tell people.

[Ben Mandelker]

There'S one.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like a step above organizing brochures.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have one word. Hashtag boss. Hello. They're gonna start organizing a maybe marketing plan. I'm so excited for her. Boss, boss, brochure, marketing plan.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, possibly happy hour immediately after. Got you. So that's great. You know, we go from Karen trying to pretend her plants are the drunk, from Kieran trying to turn all of her employees into alcoholics.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. And then we go to Mia and Jacqueline at lunch, and Mia's like, well, ink is here this weekend, of course, so there's gonna be a little bit more on and bopping. And Jacqueline's like, and I'll be the first one in line to pop, because I am here to stay. I'm the number one sidekick. I'm not a sidekick at all. What are you talking about? I'm number one. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jacqueline is doing this whole, like, I was the one who told you to get more D, Honey. Yeah. Who are you even being right now? This is. You've never been like this. Why are you being like this? Like, her. She's like, look at my personality. It's on a 12 out of 10.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And also, like, do you think you actually win a trophy for telling someone who's divorcing you need to get some more D? Like, I'm sorry. That was not innovative advice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, she was getting more D long before she was divorced.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mia was probably getting that deal, like, on her wedding night from this kid, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Let me tell you something. The letter D comes before G. What? I was being sassy. I said the letter G comes. But I said the letter G comes before D. I mean, Sorry. I said the letter D comes before GC Now I've ruined up my own sass. I was like, girl, the letter D happens before G, meaning that she was getting dick way before she even met G. Although I get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just didn't hear it. So then. Not dumb. I'm just deaf. Okay, so she's like, yeah, I was the one who trolled you. You better get that deep, babe. I was like, oh, my gosh. Stop auditioning for whatever you think you're auditioning for because you're still failing. How are you doing, like, your third season on this show? I mean, Potomac's just like. But she's so nice. Like, did she bring gummy worms to the staff? I mean, what does Jacqueline do for you guys? Exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe. So then we sort of. We land at Stacy's apartment for a big Stacy and TJ scene. By the way, I have a hot take about tj. I don't think. I don't think you're going to see this one coming. You know who I think TJ looks like in the face? If you really look at his face, especially when he's not doing his big fake smile. It's mainly when he's not doing his big face potatoes. No, he looks like Dorothy. No, Candace's mother. Dorothy. Just look at his face. I'm telling you, just look at it when he's not smiling. And I think you will see it. Just trust me on this, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what's so weird? I can't think of Dorothy's face, but I can't think of her voice. Hear her voice, but not her face, which is weird. It's traumatized by people getting beat with purses. So just black it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's my hot take. I would love to see if anyone else sees it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And now I have to look it up. Hold on, Ben. God damn it, Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

If he's smiling, you're not going to see it if he's smiling. But there were some moments where he, like, was. When he's not smiling and he forgets to smile, he actually goes into a scowl, which I think is very telling. He's like. And so when he's in his scowl face, that's when he becomes Dorothy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can see it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You see it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Hold on. Let me pull it up.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, everybody, we're going to share.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, hold on. Oh, gosh. Of course. We've got a million ads now that I have to pop off here. But, yeah, let me share it, too. Why would you do this to me? Now I'm going to be thinking of this the whole day. Like, why would you do this to this poor man? He doesn't deserve that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that's Dorothy.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's Dorothy. Okay, so you want me to look him up now too?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what's his name?

[Ben Mandelker]

Tj that's all we know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Trader Joe's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a Trader Joe's sign.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you don't want him smiling. Okay. You want like a serious face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Yeah, Serious.

[Ronnie Karam]

So do you see?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if this is totally supporting my theory. This image right here that you brought.

[Ronnie Karam]

Up really is scowling.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. You know what? I will find a side by side. She's very despondent in that photo. She just found out. Candace. Candace left the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like these are similar vibes that they're showing off.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? They're. They're Vibey twins. I will come back with better, better evidence when the time is. When the time is right, I will come back.

[Ronnie Karam]

That shit's funny. Okay, so Stacy is like. He's like, so I have to say I really love this place because, you know, we haven't talked about it, you know, and that's very cool. That I appreciate. Yeah, it's. I think you did a great job picking it. You really don't know. How do you know how to talk to anybody? Like, are you just this bad around women? Because you're not nervous around women? Is he.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's, you know, he's just someone who has been doing the on air thing so long that they can't talk like a normal person. I don't know if you've ever met someone like that, but like people who are just constantly in morning show voice and, and it's just like they can't talk normally. They can't, they can't say like, oh, this place looks really cool. It's like, your place looks wonderful. I love what you've done here. We're going to have all the details on how you can get this look for cheaper tomorrow at 7:00am you're like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm friends with a school teacher. She's one of my best friends. And she teaches young kids, you know, really young kids. And she talks like this all the time. So she'll be like, are we going out tonight? I can't wait. Where are we gonna go? I'm like, okay, get your kindergarten voice off. Okay? You turn the adult and her adult voice, it's not like she suddenly turns into like, well, hello, where are we going for drinks? Like, she doesn't do that, but at least like, I feel like she's going to change my diaper every time I hang out with her. I'm like, girl, drop the. Drop the kid. Voice. Okay. I'm 50. I'm almost 50 years old. Are you going to eat all that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

That looks delicious. God, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, that would drive me absolutely nuts. So sweet, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's really fun to talk to her about serious things. She'll be like, you had sex with who? That's amazing. What was his penis like? Be quiet. We're in a restaurant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please write it out right here on this triple lined loose leaf paper.

[Ronnie Karam]

That'S.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like my memory of kindergarten.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Upstairs, downstairs, letters.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So anyway, I've never met anybody who talks like this, though, because this isn't even morning show. I just want to repeat his sentence because I think it's extremely important because someone needs to study this guy because some people are like, he's gay. And then some people are like, no, he's not. He's just really Christian. And then some people are like, leave him alone. He didn't do nothing but not have sex. No. There's like a weird vibe all over this guy. So I'm going to repeat the sentence so you guys can let it sink in with no inflection. Okay? I have to say, I love, love this place because we haven't talked about it. This is something that's very cool, that I appreciate. I think you did a great job choosing it. Are you from AI?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know it sounds very chat GPT. It sounds very, very chat GPT. So Stacy's like, I love my crash pad, my new space away from the complications of my divorce. It's a place where I can go and my husband's at home with Arabella. It's like my little sanctuary away from Arabella. And Stacy then says, so we're here in my new crash pad, so we're going to do something to mark this occasion. And I'm going to paint you and you're going to paint me, and then maybe I'll give you a blowjob. Just try to sneak it in there. Tj, I see you running for the door. Okay, it was just a joke. Just a joke, tj.

[Ronnie Karam]

I meant blow on your soup. Have a seat. Your name Arabella, sounds like a casino in a small town, doesn't it? Like Mariah is coming. She'll be playing it. The Arabella or Mariah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sure there's a casino in Idaho called the Arabella. There's also there was someone on Love Island UK named Arabella and she came back for All Stars and she just kept on getting dumped. And every time she get dumped, she's Like, I just don't understand, like, what is wrong?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like a 10 out of 10. What are people doing this to me? It's like, are you kidding me?

[Ronnie Karam]

I wish I could be there. So I could be the host, and I could be like, ciao, Arbella. Or I could be like, bye, bye, Arab.

[Ben Mandelker]

How about error Bella.

[Ronnie Karam]

Era. You made an era, and now it's Ciao, bella.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll have to. We'll reach out to Ariana, see if she can hook that up for you. But their Love island connects.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's too famous now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. She's so famous now.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's so famous.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's president.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She got nominated. She got selected. She actually got elected in the president.

[Ben Mandelker]

She won a state. So anyway, where were we again? Oh, yeah, Stacy. So she's like, arabella, I'm gonna gamble in her later. I just love the way Stacy says Arabella too. She really, like, leans into every single syllable. Arabella. So she's like. So since we're in my new crash pad. Oh, yeah. So we're gonna paint. Okay. And then we will reveal our portraits, and then the winner gets something good. Season passes to the zoo. Yes, season passes. Season passes to the zoo. That's exactly what I was gonna say.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tj, because everything is a childhood. Everything is a childish thing, right? We're gonna paint, and whoever does the best gets a prize. Then they talk about going to the zoo all the time. So weird. It's like, do you want a juice box or my box juice? What do you want? Like, Jesus, get an adult, please. So then he's like, I just want to go to the track and work out. Let me guess. You shower there. And she's like, wait, is that what you want to win? And he goes, yeah, what do you want? She's like, a dick. What do you think? I want a dick. I don't even care what the dick would look like at this point. You could have a pinky day. I don't care. Just give it to me. Give me some dick. He's like, the track. She's like, no, I'm sorry. I just. I want to give you a spa day. Spa day. I want to give you a spa day.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, okay, so one of those spas. You go to the women's side, I go to the men's spa. Sounds great. No, no. Oh, my gosh. Okay, I'm flirting with you. Except this flirtation. He's like, hey, I am. I am. Hey, look I can flirt right back with you. I'm going to open up some paint. Look at me twisting off the top. And I'm going to show you that if you really want to get a dab of paint, you stick this thing in it. And that was flirtation.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, now some people like putting this thing in the hole to punch it until stuff comes out of the hole. Personally, I like getting another tube and slapping them together until something happens. Like, wait a minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's how we're going to paint. We're gonna take these fighting. Tj, what are you doing with those tubes? Oh, I'm sending them to tube zoo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you have a paper towel?

[Ben Mandelker]

The tubes really like to work out and then go to the zoo. I'm flirting with you back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You know, really mature sexuality. Jokes aside, there's just no sexuality here. So just give it, you know, and that's okay. Some people just don't have very high say, you know, everybody. There's so many different things, but get you one that does. You know what I mean? Get the right thing. Don't keep waiting for something that's never going to come. You ordered your food an hour ago. It still hasn't come. Go to McDonald's. You know what I mean? Stop waiting for your food. It's going to be inferior by the time it gets here anyway. It's going to be stale. It's going to be sitting under that heat lamp for an hour. Going to want it. Get a. Get a better plate.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's also, I think it's in combination with his cheesiness. He's, like, really cheesy. Which is why everyone's like, something is like, off with this guy. And, like, it's one thing to be like, okay, I'm devout or whatever, but it's like the devout and the super cheesy vibes that are happening. Everyone's like, no, everyone. Everyone believes this is a front. So Stacy's like, TJ has been very clear that he is a devout Christian. So that means we are practicing celibacy, in case you didn't know. I just have to bring it up one more time in case you're wondering why I'm hanging out with a creepy ass guy right now with a giant smile that looks like he wants to kill someone and when he's not on camera. So now that I've been celibate for over a year now, it's been a challenge.

[Ronnie Karam]

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Equivalent to $15 a month new customers on first 3 month plan only speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees and restrictions apply. See Mint Mobile for details. So she's like, oh, this is what people do when they're on dates. And he's like, and they don't. And don't they have wine? She goes, you would like a glass of wine? He's like, no. She goes, all right, because you don't drink, you don't smoke. He's like, I don't sleep with you. I'll say it there. That's what I thought you were going to ask for. But I'm not going to do it. Good luck to you. Am I right? You're not getting anything from this.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, this is fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, he can be Christian. It doesn't mean you have to let him pray. You know, it's freedom of religion, but it's your freedom to not practice. Go. Let him practice celibacy. You practice fucking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. So then she's like, well, could I ask for that? For you to sleep with me? And he goes, listen, you can ask Santa Claus for a new car, but that doesn't mean you're going to get it. And she's like, okay, well, that went. That went downhill quick.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, santa Claus would fuck you faster than this guy. I'll bet you if you ask Santa Claus to fuck you, he'd do it. I mean, I think you'd have to kind of wade through the FUPA a little bit. And you know that that might be worth it. Older than Barbara, but still, he'd do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, I do believe that Santa Claus does deliver new cars because, hello, there's a whole series of Lexus December to Remember sales events that happen with beautiful red bows on top of Lexuses every single year on tv. So where do those come from? A car dealership? I don't think so. Those are from the North Pole. North Pole.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll take it. Not that. Not that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So isn't there a whole thing. Who told me? Did you tell me about this or did someone else. And I don't know if this is verified, this is, I think, just something that someone told me that, like, in the Mormon community, isn't there, like, some sort of thing where, like, the. Like, for people who are practicing celibacy or abstinence, they, like, lie naked on top of each other on a bed. But the bed. The special beds that, like, vibrate back and forth, so it's like they're not having sex. It's just the vibrations are causing friction. Did you. Does this sound familiar to you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Heard of that? That's so exciting.

[Ben Mandelker]

This feels like something I would have learned from you. So it's weird that I'm telling you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think I've ever known about a moving bed that makes you climax. I'll take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just saying that could be something for TJ because it's like he's not. He's just lying there. He's not having sex. He's just lying there. And it just so happens that the furniture is moving.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that you're like tricking God. God's like, wow, look at them just enjoying their time. Okay, I'll just move on to, you know, all the hurricanes.

[Ben Mandelker]

God's like, now I know I made that vibrating bed and I know I made these two celibate people, but I guess they're just lying there. Okay, moving on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're joking about how he's not going to bang her. And she goes, well, I guess that went downhill quick. So let's just have the next conversation. I'm gonna capture everything beautiful about you. Oh, those muscles. Yeah, I'm gonna get those muscles. He's like, you're not going to get those muscles, but you can have fun painting them. So then they show each other their paintings and they're cute. It's like 25 year olds did paintings of each other and hers is basically a big penis. And his is of like a no sign. Like that goes over no smoking, but with a little stick figure of a lady in the middle. Those is cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he burned it up. It was so weird when he. He lit it on fire and threw it out the window. He said it was too sexy. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He called it a witch. And that was done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. It was awkward. By the way. I did look it up. And the, the Mormon thing, it's called soaking. And. But I don't know if it's actually verified or if it's just an urban legend that goes around, but for people who are like Ben, it's called soaking. That's what it's called, Soaking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't know. I suggest no one look that up on pornhub because I don't think that's what's going to come up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think, I think we. I think we don't want to see any sort of visual of two people just lying on each other while the bed shakes. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so this was really sad. And then she's like, well, I have to tell you, on our girls trip, they asked me about you in our relationship. They don't believe that you could, you know, be a man of God. They think, you know, that you're running game on me. What do you think of that? Please be running game on me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please. Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Running game on me right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, running game. Is that like going to the track where we. We're going to run and then work out? God, I'm so glad they were talking about me. Thank you so much. Thank you. So much for bringing me up on your girls trip. This is that. Now I know why their cameras here. This is really working out well. She's like. So we see flashbacks of just Giselle asking questions about TJ and everything, and the women being like, okay, so. So TJ goes, listen, I'm okay with them saying whatever they want to say until they meet me. And she says, but you're. So you're going to meet them on Friday because Jassy is having an event for her super bowl winning boyfriend, who she has sex with. Lots and lots of sex with him all the time. Wow. Hold on one second. Let me just imagine what that is like. All right, I repressed it. What were we talking about?

[Ronnie Karam]

We're going to celebrate him because he just won Super Bowls. Oh, God. Big Super Bowls. They're probably just ready to rip Super Bowl. Sorry. Okay. It's a small get together. You're going to meet everybody. But when I say laugh, I mean they're like, oh, they're going to really laugh. And he's like, well, guess what? They're not making fun of us, okay? Because I'm trying to follow God. So they're not making fun of us. They're making fun of God.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he says it so excitedly. He's like, they're making fun of God. It's all good. They're making fun of us. They're making fun of God. And she's like, mm, okay. All right. Still horny. Still don't want to go to the zoo. Don't care who they're making fun of because I have needs that need to be met. Okay, great.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Ashley's house, and she's hosting tonight, and it's really cute. I don't know if she uses, like, a Siri or if she uses an Alexa, but I just. The song that plays now every time Ashley comes on is, lock those kids up. You're shooting, you're at work. Put those kids in a crate. I don't care what you need to do. But every time she comes on the screen now, it's not only children, it's child terrorists, okay? Protesting something with Ryan. Ryan with iron arms, iron bars, hitting up against things. Put those kids away. Give them a Benadryl. I can't take anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is wild. These are the loudest kids on Bravo, but also these are kids who are adamant about spending as little time walking on a floor as possible. Last week, we saw one kid on top of this suv, and then this time, like, both kids are just Flopping around on the kitchen island. Now, I don't know, is that, like, normal for toddlers? Because, like, my instinct was to say they should not be on that kitchen island, just, like, just sitting there, flopping around, sitting just like they should be. Like, if they're going to. If they're going to sit and eat, like, their apple slices, do it on a chair or the floor, but not the kitchen island. But am I naive? Is this, like. Is this, like, a kid, a place where parents put their kids these days?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. Kids love kitchen islands. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, that's fine. If that's the way it is. If that's the way it is, that's the way it is. Okay. I. I can. I can be flexible.

[Ronnie Karam]

My first memory in my whole life was sitting on an ironing board while my mom was walking around the kitchen with curlers in her hair on the wired phone, you know, the big curly phone in our avocado and orange kitchen. And I was sitting on the ironing corner probably while there was an iron heating up for to do iron.

[Ben Mandelker]

Isn't it ironic, don't you think? There was a kid in my. There was a kid in my elementary school who had, like, a big sort of like, orange sort of like oval, kind of like scarred or dark patch because he once thought the iron was a telephone, and he picked it up and put it up against his cheek. That could have been you, Ronnie. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I didn't answer the phone. I was like. I was like an adult even then. It's like, I'm. Now, I don't answer the phone. I don't need it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're like.

[Ronnie Karam]

And back then I was like, send me a telegram. Like, I answered the phone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm not getting off of this ironing board.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm busy. So then, anyway, Ashley's having Giselle and Karen over, and she's making buckets of bevs. And Giselle's there first, and they're talking about how they need to talk to Karen because, you know, Karen has to do some court time. And then we see five days until Karen's court date. And a screenshot that says, but the plants are the real alcoholics.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, so Ash is offering some drinks and everything like that, and some beverages, and they're sort of settling down. And she's talking about. As she starts talking about how. Oh, as she is saying, she offers up. She goes, do you want some olive oil and lemon? This olive oil and lemon drink and Giselle's like olive oil and lemon. And she's like. She's like, yeah, it's supposed to be, like, good for her skin. I'm like, girl, that is not a drink. You're drinking salad dressing. Olive oil and lemon juice is salad dressing.

[Ronnie Karam]

But does it work differently when you just drink it?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think. I don't think it works at all. I'm going to say, really? Olive oil and lemon juice? I mean, I think they're both healthy ingredients.

[Ronnie Karam]

Saw.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I don't. It's like. She's like, yes. This new thing where you take lemon juice and mix it with olive oil. I'm like, yeah, I do that every single night when I make a salad, literally. Add some dill and some pistachios. It's delicious.

[Ronnie Karam]

God, you're so fancy. God, listen to that salad. Dill. I had some dill and some.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. First rule. First rule. Anytime I go to the supermarket, no matter what, even if I don't have a plan for it, you always pick up a little thing of dill, and you always have dill ready to go, and you throw it in.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's a little Alison Roman dill.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's an Allison Roman salad. I'm telling you, I've been making it for, like, four years straight. It never gets old. Dill, pistachios, garlic, and this new magnificent health drink called olive oil and lemon juice.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think this olive oil and lemon is something that the people who don't eat a lot of calories do, because they don't get any calories. So it's like a way of getting your calories and your fats while also just not having to eat. And it's like what really thin people do. It's like when thin people are like, oh, yeah, I eat all the time. And you're like, oh, really? What do you eat? They're like, oh, gosh. Nuts. Peanut butter. So I tried that, and I just kept gaining even more weight. And I was like, this is bullshit. You know? And then they're like, well, what else are you eating? And I would tell them, no, they only eat nuts. They'll eat, like, a handful of nuts, and that's it. They're like, oh, no. You eat nuts because they're packed densely with calories, so you only have to have a few, and then you don't have to eat any else. Like, who lives like this? Who, like, purposely eats things dense in calories so they only have to eat a little bit? That's no way to Live Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know what's funny? It's like, if olive oil and lemon juice is like, if that's the thing you drink because you don't really eat very much, what does it say about the people who have just lettuce with olive oil and lemon juice? It's like, whoa, whoa, that's. That's pretty intense that you're taking on the lettuce there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's disgusting. You sloth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Glutton. Adding lettuce with the olive oil and lemon juice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. When people are like, oh, my God, you eat fruit? What kind, though? Grapes. The worst kind. Well, watermelon. Watermelon. That is the worst fruit. Bananas. Oh, bananas. Oh, let me guess. For vegetables, you eat carrots. I'm like, yeah, they're like that. You eat the Snickers bars of vegetables. That's actually what a Weight Watchers lady named Janelle once.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, Janelle. You know what I think? I think you need to revisit the things that Janelle has said to you, because you've carried them with you for a very long time. And every now and then, Janelle makes Janelle. Janelle shows up on this podcast, and you're like, well, unfortunately, I can't eat that because Janelle told me. And I'm like, you know what? I think it's time that we put Janelle on trial, because I don't know if she's necessarily right about the things that she has said.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think she's right either. And I'll bet she's chubby, too. I bet she's. She's chubby now all these years later and fucking judgy, judgy ass Janelle. I'll bet she was like, screw that. I'm not listening to anything. I think she was probably, like, forcing us to do it. And then she was going home and eating M M's because guess who didn't have to weigh in? Janelle. The rest of us had to get on there and cry every week, but not Janelle. She's like, well, my nails might cost more weight anyway because she had these really big, long nails. And, you know, I don't know. I never saw proof that Janelle was even following the program.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honestly, she's probably at home right now eating a meatloaf and listening to Bruno Mars.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, surely he's not talking about me. It's a different. It's you, Janelle. It's fucking you. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

You traumatized my poor Ronnie with all your bad misinformation. Janelle.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, this wouldn't even be me. He's not even talking about El Paso Tech. Yes, I am. I'm talking about El Pa. Well, there's a lot of Weight Watchers meetings in El Paso. Shirley is not talking about the one that took place on Saturdays at Zach White elementary on Love Road. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Talking about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Janelle's like, you. I mean, he was obviously a gay child. I was just putting on a campy performance for him. Did he really take what I said seriously?

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't even like dick until you told me Snickers are only for gay people.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I was just trying to be a gay icon for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are. You are that. You went with I love you, Janelle. They'll never make me hate you. So let's see. So now they're talking about Ashley's mom, and she's like, oh, I put my mom on olive oil and lemon because she has heart problems. Don't give your mom olive oil to drink because she has heart problems. Listen, people, you're not your own doctors. Ashley, that especially pertains to you. You don't give someone with heart problems. You don't have them. Chugging fucking oil girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, no, she's a strict vinaigrette only diet.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we got the fat out.

[Ben Mandelker]

We cut all that fatty iceberg lettuce. So. So then she's talking about, yeah, she's just trying to get her mom to be healthier and, you know, all that sort of stuff. So now Karen shows up and they're all eating outside, and Giselle's like, oh, Ashley. Well, I haven't seen popcorn with croissants before, so this is actually a little different. But I'm here for it. Which is her way of saying, what the hell did you put out for us? Popcorn and croissants.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. Matthew's like, yeah, my kids love it. So she. Let's see. She has to get an omni. Something. Some sort of a test, Right? So then Giselle. I mean, yeah, the moment. So then Karen comes and Karen's like, oh, God, look at all this food. I'm just so glad I came here. So we're so glad. Do you have anything I can put in my purse as liquid for. My plants are really going through it right now. They haven't grieved.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Karen, it's been so good. I'm so happy to see you finally. I haven't seen you since Lake Norman. Well, that was a lot. That Lake Norman Bates, I thought, you know, to be honest, I was really disappointed in Mia and Jacqueline, who are saying that I came to them for alcohol rehabilitation. And she's like, well, they said you needed help. Well, that's what Mia said.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's an opioid addict. Oh, did I say that part? But anyway, she has a problem with opioids. Anyway, they. I do hear that they base Breaking Bad off of her. So, I don't know. Read what you want to read. It's all on YouTube.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love that Karen was stalking Mia's YouTube to find evidence of wrongdoing. Because then we see the YouTube clip, and it's from 2019, and Mia's. Oh, it was 2019. What does it look like 10 years ago? Mia looks so different, right? She's like, I am an opioid adult. Overdose at a very young age. And I was hospitalized for weeks. And then I decided to search for a more holistic form of medicine, and I was introduced to chiropractic care. Listen, that's a sweet story, and I do not believe Two seconds to that. No, do not break opioid addiction with chiropractor. I'm sorry, but this is absolute crap. And please don't people believe that. Okay? Go get some real help.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia is like a known liar, and I just always laugh when her lies surface. Okay, she says she had an opioid overdose at a very young age. So right now she's what, like, 37, 38? She was like.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

She makes it sound like she was 12 years old when she had a. You know, I'm not even going to debate it because it's a little tacky to debate when she had her opioid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I believe that, you know, I believe that she had issues and stuff. I'm just saying I don't believe that. I think it's kind of dangerous. Tell people, like, you heal that with chiropractor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I just thought it was such a. Yeah, I agree. I sort of chuckled because, you know, she's like, I had an opioid overdose. Which is like, such a scary thing to say. Like, you're like, oh, yeah, I had an opioid overdose. But luckily, because of the joint chiropractic, I found a new way forward. It's like, oh, really? Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's like her own cult type thing. So Karen's like, go ahead, look at the YouTube. Look at the YouTube channel. Fascinating stuff, fascinating stuff. And Giselle's like, well, Karen's deflecting It's so funny. Giselle, this whole scene was really funny. Everything Karen said, she'll be like, deflection and deflection.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's. And yeah, she's like, I just hope she doesn't lash out and Carry goes, but you know what? I'm proud of Mia that she beat it. She beat the opioid addiction, you know? And, you know. But of course, if you strike at me, I'm like an opioid that doesn't miss. Okay. Because I'm going to strike at you, and I will finish it. I mean, bottom line is, let me be very real right now. Let me be. Normally, I would like to say let me be very clear, but now I want to be very real too. So let me be very real right now. I have to protect my peace. Maybe not so much traffic medians, but I will protect my peace.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I was like, we know you have a big week next week. Huge. And Karen's like, yes, yes, yes, it's true. And she's like, so how are you feeling? And she's like, well, let's be very real. Let me be very real right now. Completely transparent and real as real can be. I did nothing and I'm in the show. Anybody else?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, I. I can no longer speak about this. Well, do you want some lemon. Lemon juice and olive oil? I'm sorry, I cannot discuss beverages right now. There is a court case, so we'll just have to put that on the back burner for right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just can't sleep. I wake up at three in the morning and I take raised balls off of my forehead and I say, ray, please, please put your balls on the ground. I cannot wake up another night at three in the morning being suffocated by your balls. Funny thing is, he's across the entire room. Let me tell you, those things never stop growing. Men stop growing, but there are balls in their ears. Never. Is either tripping me with his balls or is it like. It's horrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

This scene is so funny because Giselle is just relishing with this fake. What do you call. What do you call this? Ronnie? You always say that. The fake. Concern trolling. What's it called?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, concerning.

[Ben Mandelker]

Where she's like, so you have a court case. Your court case, which I'll mention again on camera. She keeps mentioning it. It's just so gleefully, because she just knows how uncomfortable it makes Karen. So then Karen, of course, you know, but this is what they all do to each other. So I'm just like, you know, just cracking up watching it. And she's like, well, you know, it's really hard when you want to open up, but legally, you can't. You are legally not allowed to open up. Unfortunately, I have to keep all my emotions and thoughts and feelings repressed inside me because it's against the law to be open. So I can't say anything more. I'm sure you all understand America, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've paid my lawyer and I've talked to Jesus. We good? We good. We good, ladies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I just like, you know, I just. Everyone has expressed how much we want the best for you. And if you do need to go to a rehab facility, we can do that, too. And we can hold up our cameras and watch you go in, and we'll clap and then laugh afterwards. So, you know, anything you need from us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I know. And you know what? I really, really appreciate that. And you know, I'm here for you, too, Giselle, because I know that Jamal was engaged. How are you feeling about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Karen is very happy starting out.

[Ronnie Karam]

In the snow with that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I guess I'm going through a hardship. How about you, Giselle? Looks like your man found someone before you. How do you feel about that card? You're so lonely and sad. How's it feel to know that you're going to die alone? How's that feel, Giselle?

[Ronnie Karam]

I've always got a shot in my purse in case you just need to be put down, Giselle, out of your misery like a broken horse. And no one's ever going to ride again. How do you feel about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, soldiers have little cyanide pills, and when things get too tough, they just can eat that and just go down quietly. Maybe you would like that someday. But next time you try to go out to E. Harmony and you get no responses.

[Ronnie Karam]

Take the pill, Giselle. Take the pillow. Go towards the light, Giselle. You're useless on earth. How does that make you feel? And Giselle's just like, deflection. And she goes, well, I knew it was coming. And I'm happy for him. Like, I told him to get married. Because you know who needs to get married? Pastors and politicians, which are basically the same thing. I love that she has that in her head. It's like pastors and politicians.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's who needs to be married commercials. Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then Giselle says that basically Jamal took the girls to dinner and said, by the way, I'm gonna get engaged. And the girls were shocked because they didn't even know he had a girlfriend. So it just went from like, I have a friend to, we're gonna get married. And she goes, you know, different strokes for different folks. Aha.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, why didn't you tell me to sell? Why wouldn't you tell me I have to get this ammunition from a newspaper? And Giselle's like, well, I don't even think about it. Like, that's Jamal's life. I want the best for him. I want him to be happy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Drunk. Are you drunk right now? And Jiren's like, well, the bottom is. The bottom line is I want you to be happy. This is your time. You're like a plum. It's just about to Turn. You're so juicy. And tomorrow you're going to be just a bruise. You're going to be one bruised leaky plum to sell. So keep enjoying life where you can to sell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Leaky plum.

[Ronnie Karam]

So leaky plum in my fridge the other day. Can you tell how knowledgeable plums get really nasty?

[Ben Mandelker]

People can always tell what's going on with our lives based off the random references that we make. It's never an accident, people. Never. You're like a turkey that hasn't thawed yet. For friends giving. So now we go to Wendy and her family. They're going to like lunch because graduation, you know, some of her kids have graduated out of. Of Cameron graduated out of kindergarten or pre preschool to kindergarten. And one of the kids is now gonna go into middle school. So the whole family's gotten together. They're all coming in. It's. It's Wendy, Eddie, her mom. There's another guy there. I'm assuming that's Wendy's brother. I feel like he didn't talk, nor did he ever receive a chiron, right? Or maybe he received a chiron and I missed it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think he ever spoke. He never said one thing. And I was waiting too. I was like, oh, sure. And because they would show him and it looks like he's gonna open his mouth, but then nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they put him right in the middle too. It's like the mom was off to the side, but like it was all about the mom this, this scene. But they put the brother like just in the middle. I was like, oh, no, no, no talking. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, the kids are graduating from Steph and they order their food and the daughter's like, how long is that going to take?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, the. I was very impressed that Cameron, the daughter Cameron is like obsessed with escargot, which I think is hilarious. She's like, give me the snail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she loves that. Slimy snails. And so then they start talking about this white party that they're going to have. And the mom's like, well, I may show up in a different color. And she's like, mom, please do not come here with anything else but white. And she's like, I love a theme and I love celebrating Dr. Wendy. And then we get a montage of how many times Wendy celebrated her birthday and over and over.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it culminates with her. With her saying, not only am I in my 40s, I got four degrees too. And everyone's like, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Grumbles. Just like grumble, mumble. And out. So Eddie's like, well, you know, this was the party, started as an idea, and now it's turned into a second wedding. And Susan's like, is that why I'm not getting my allowance this month? And she's like, well, mom, since that's all you care about, I will Venmo you 500 right now. So she does, and she's like, four days late. Oh, my gosh. You know what? You know what? Those stickers that say stop elder abuse. That's where these come from. It's probably her. It's probably Susan made that because her allowance was late for a few days. You better stop the elder abuse. I won't take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Wendy. Wendy tells us that in Nigerian culture, the parents raise you, but then when they get older, you're supposed to take care of them. And her mom does not care about any of Wendy's expenses. Her mom is basically always there at the start of the month with her hand up, being like, okay, time for allowance. Come on. Where's my 500? You know what? I think you probably deserve it. Once you get to a certain age, after the hell. After the hell that your kids put you through, I think you deserve a few. A few dollars back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, hell.

[Ben Mandelker]

No way you were gonna say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

No way.

[Ben Mandelker]

As soon as the words came out of my mouth, I knew you could be like, absolutely not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I remember when you kicked me out when I was 15. Screw you. You're not getting. You're lucky I buy you M M's occasionally.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just kidding, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you ever need it, call Ben. He's very giving.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will. I will. I'll take care of your parents. So. So Wendy starts talking about how for this white party that they're doing, that they invited Eddie's side of the family. And, you know, there's all this. All these issues with Eddie side of the family because. Well, I don't know. It's just. It's just stuff that goes. It's between both halves of the family. They hate each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they hate each other, and it goes back to their village and, like, them calling each other evil or. I mean, there was something back there that I forgot the whole story. Like, there was one of. I forget the whole story. I'm going to. You know what? I'm going to bungle it. So sometimes it's okay to just be quiet because I don't really remember the story, but it was something to their village, and it. It carried over to here, and it's not good. So they've never come to anything. The wedding. They don't know the kids, any of that. But now they're mysteriously going to show up. And so she's like, are they coming in peace? Because you don't really know. Because they could be coming to be like, you've been talking us. You've been talking about us on TV for five years. So we're just coming here to tell you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You on camera. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stand up for ourselves. So I'm kind of hoping it. The ladder, just because that'll be more fun for us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. I'm really excited about that. Yeah. But they basically have not been showing up to anything. So they are intrigued to know whether they're going to be coming. And so then they're talking to the kids, and he's like, well, by the way, congrats, the graduates. We're very proud of you guys. You've achieved a lot. And this is just the beginning. And Wendy's like, and you guys can do whatever your heart desires. My only requirement is a master's degree. And then if you don't get your master's degree, please understand, it is written in your trust fund, and you will not get your money. So you decide. Do you want the money? The trust fund? That's up to you. Which is kind of funny. And, like, my first thought was like, that's. I like that. She's just. She's like, laying down the law. But then Susan's like, why are you being so soft? An option. You're giving an option. Yeah. I was like, oh, damn. Susan's like, Susan's taking it to the next level.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she goes, this is not how to raise children. This is the option. This is my seed. I press success on their lives. And I say, holy ghost, fire. Holy ghost, fire. Yes. Susan.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, it's not like. It's not like, if you choose not to do this, you're not going to get money. It's like, there is no choice. You are doing this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Holy ghost, fire. If you succeed, I succeed. And you'll be sending me my monthly allowance. So thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he goes, thank you. That was a beautiful prayer. So now we go back to Ash's house, and now the kid. This is when her mom comes over, and the kids are, like, crawling all over everything. And she's like, okay, Mom. Well, you know, we're on this healthy journey together, right? So I made you something. It's called balsamic. Balsamic and grapeseed oil. Enjoy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, mom, I just we're together on this health journey, so any resource you need for me. Well, besides, I really only got olive oil and a lemon.

[Ben Mandelker]

But they got some romaine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Borrow money, Mom. But you can have some olive oil. You want some more, Mom? Drink this olive oil.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, do you have any arugula? No, just. Just olive oil. That's it. So they're talking about how her mom's, like, battling heart disease and everything, and she wants her mom to be healthier and. And she's talking about her divorce.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's the thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

Her mom's not really battling heart disease, so she may have it. She's not battling it. I think battling is when you're like, damn, this heart disease. I'm gonna fix this. Sheila's coasting heart disease. She's like, yeah, I've got it. It's there. That's kind of what I'm like when the doctor, you know, whenever the doctor tells me something, I'm like, well, what are you gonna do about it? They're like, well, you need to make some lifestyle choices. I'm like, lol. Okay, well, see you soon. I'll be sure to get my will in order. What kind of joker are you? Lifestyle changes.

[Ben Mandelker]

The doctor takes off his mask. It's Janelle. Oh, my God. She's like, got you. I've been tracking you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's what you need to do. Here's what fixes almost everything more than prescriptions, even lower calories, peanut M M's. So what to put inside of you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Nothing. So Ashley's talking about her divorce. Signing papers soon. It's going to be happening soon, finally. And she basically, do not believe her. And she was like, well, you deserve to move on and have someone in your life. So then, of course, Ashley turns it around, and she's like, well, I love hearing you say this, because that's exactly how. How I feel about you. And she's basically like, you deserve to be with someone better than that garbage boyfriend that you're still with. And when we see a flashback of the. Of Sheila, and, you know, the issue with Sheila and her man, that was from 2018 when we started talking about this. It has been six years that Sheila. I mean, and prior to that had been, like, 10 years. But, like, I can't believe it's been six years since we first heard about this guy and she is still with him. I. It's very sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's sad, but it's like watching someone sit crisscross applesauce. In the middle of a crosswalk. Like, what do you want from me? Get up, or I'm running you over. Like, I have to get to the home goods, okay? Like, you're making the dumbest choices I've ever seen in my life. And I like that Ashley actually said, like, listen, I'm a single mom now, and I cannot take care of her ass, too. Like, she gives her man all of this Money, she works 12 hours a day, and now I'm supposed to take care of her? Hell, no. I like how they planted this right above the Wendy. You know, right after the Wendy scene, where Wendy's scene is all about how you have to take care of your mother. And then we get to this one, and Ashley's like, you better find a man who can take this is not Dr. Wendy's house.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I don't want to take care of you. And so she's like, so is he helping you financially? And she's like, he has recently started. That's the answer is no. And he has also not recently started. We know he's still doing whatever he's doing. He's done nothing. Yeah, you can tell.

[Ronnie Karam]

And her mom's just smiling plastically, like, okay, I think you want to get this over with now, because Ashley loves to have people over and then throw them under the bus on camera.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is her thing. It's her love.

[Ronnie Karam]

And our mom's just like, oh, actually, you told me you wouldn't do this to me today. So then we go over to the Willer, the famous. The Willer for a week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. The hotel named after we. Prominent weatherman. But, yeah, this is the big reception for Darius that Jassy is throwing. And I think this is hilarious because Jassy. Jassy is very funny to me because she. It's clear that she really enjoys the role of being, like, a football wife, even though she's not a wife. But, like, she becomes very prim and proper when, like, discussing Darius and this event. And she goes, I am so extremely proud of Darius. And being honored at the White House was really a moment to celebrate him. So I'm excited to see these ladies. And you can just see she's like. She gets a little. She sort of puffs up a little bit, and she's like, we must act proper right now. It's. It's hilarious. I love when the Real Housewives do this kind of stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am dating a famous person. Thank you, America.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. That's what she's basically doing. She's like accepting an award from all of us for dating Darius.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, not only did he get to go to the White House for the second time, he also impregnated about three women while he was there. And I just couldn't be prouder. I just couldn't be prouder.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that all happened before, during, and after. But mainly before I met him. So we were on a break. Your question. We were on a break. We were together.

[Ronnie Karam]

We've gotten an argument, and it happened about lunchtime. Then we got back together at dinner time, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I didn't know about those children, so I only found out after the fact. Even though they are still baking at the moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So, yeah, this is kind of sad because she's acting like the first lady when she's most likely. I mean, I don't know. But, I mean, timeline wise, it looks like she stole some man. Well, you shouldn't say steal. Right? Like, you're not supposed to say, she stole a man. She helped a man escape. What would you say she drove the getaway car for the man who impregnated somebody twice? Or was she, like, having an affair with this guy and then he finally left the lady after the second child? I don't know. It's hard to figure out from the timeline what she did, but it's not above board. We know that much. And just. So she's having a fancy party at the Willard, acting like the first lady, and it's kind of embarrassing.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, the last lady.

[Ronnie Karam]

The only reason she's not being called out is because he's rich and gorgeous.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Yeah. No, she's definitely doing first lady when her position is third or fourth. So everyone's showing up. So Ink walks in. This is, like, Ink's first. Like, this is Ink's first scene, I think, with the other women. So Giselle's. They're all looking at him because he is short. He's our short king. And Giselle's like, well, Karen said he was DJ Apple Box. And yep, she's right.

[Ronnie Karam]

She just starts cracking up.

[Ben Mandelker]

DJ Apple Boxes. That's so rude. So, so great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ray's not tall either. Isn't Ray, like, a little shorty, too? That's funny. So then Giselle is telling Ink. She's like, so I hear things are going well between you and Gordon. And he's like, huh? And Mia's like, oh, let me tell you, when we're together, there's nothing but love. You'll see in a scene coming up. It's amazing. It's like truly, truly the greatest. This level of Whitney is going to come back just to see. I mean, it is amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah. I mean, if we're operating with love and he truly loves his kids, you know, he'll understand that. And that's what we're all trying to do, you know, make the kids happiness the priority. Make. Well, specifically my kids happiness. Not Gordon's kid, because it's not Gordon's. So then I love when he's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, what we're really here to do is make the kids a priority. You were the kids's mom in front of them. Like the daughter said to you, why is mommy sleeping with Ink? Give me a break. You're making the kids a priority, you liar. You guys are terrible. You are so shady and gross. And then Mia, the ultimate gaslighter, like Gordon. You're so sick. Gordon looking Gordon.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Ash, at one point, Ink takes off. He's wearing sunglasses the entire time even though they're inside. And he's not famous like that. And so then he finally takes them off. So Ashley, she's like, oh, I don't think I've ever seen you without your shades. Which was totally passive aggressive. And he's like, yeah, it's kind of my thing. And it's like, yeah, because, you know, he's like incognito. And.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who'S recognizing Ink? Isn't he on the radio?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just like, this is. You're not like Diane Keaton showing up in a shirt and tie, okay? Like, relax. You don't have a fashion, you know, you're not. You're not like Michael Kors in his black blazer and black T shirt, okay? You, like, you're. You're so incognito that no one knows about you. So like, let's. Let's like relax on this front first.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. So Kieran and Greg arrive and then Jesse is like, well, I don't want to hype shame people, but it's another one who's shorter than I would have met. That's not fair when you're dating a seven foot tall person, okay, Your man took all of the height for all the other people. You know, it's like he's like the top 1%. And you're like sitting here making fun of the 99. You know, that's not fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, Greg is taller than Kieran, I'd like to point out. So they are like matter for girls.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's only that if you're A boy?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, but what I'm saying is that, like. Like, Jassy is, like, height shaming Greg, but, like, Greg is proportional to Kierna. You know, normally the issue is when the woman is taller than the man. That is, like, traditionally something that women seem to have, like, that. The common feedback is that women don't love that. And in this case, I'm saying Kieran and Greg is not an issue. So I was like, jesse, shush you. Like you said, you listen. You already are dating a very tall, muscular person. Don't make fun of. Don't make fun of the. The shorter social worker, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like Heather Dubrow making fun of a poor person. You know what I mean? Like, you're worth millions of dollars, and he's worth millions of inches. That's not cool. So then Karen and Vivian arrive. Vivian. I love that Vivian came on the show and then was like, no, I love Vivian. Vivian shows up every other, like, week for five minutes.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's it. I feel like Vivian is very elegant. I just love. She just shows up. She just seems great. And she's just like you said. She's like, no, I'm not going to ruin my reputation of this bullshit, but I will show up at the Willard. This is more my style.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kay goes up to Mia, and she's like, well, Mia, I want to clear up a few things, because I realized some things were said in North Carolina saying that my man was a drug dealer. And Mia's like, go ahead. Hold on. I'm gonna. I'm gonna shuffle some imaginary pamphlets and make sure they're straight while you're talking. Because I open chiropractic.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to shuffle imaginary brochures anytime I get a craving for an opioid. So Kieran is like, well, I was, like, very disrespectful to him because he's not a drug dealer. And then he was like, well, are you talking about my ex, your X man or your new man? Because I said one of them. And she's like, no, you said, my boyfriend's a drug dealer. And that's what you said. And Giselle's like, okay, so that man over there, you see, you can't say that about him because he's, like, a social worker, and that's detrimental to put it out there if he's not a drug dealer. I think it's detrimental for most people if you say that anyone's a drug dealer, but that's okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's even detrimental for drug dealers.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's actually the most detrimental because it's actually true. And you could send them to jail.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Mia's like, well, okay. Like, he's not the drug dealer. The last boyfriend was a drug dealer. And we know that he's a social worker. Yes, very much so. A social worker. So you can just tell. Look at him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She goes, yeah, you can look at the way he just comes up to Darius's belly button right there. That's classic social worker. Also, Mia totally. She totally is gaslighting here because. Or just lying. Because in the flashback, we see that Mia's like, how about you talk about your drug dealer boyfriend? And now she's like, no, I never said. I was like, no, he's obviously the social. No, no other one.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm sorry to disagree, but actually, when that. I remember this happening, she said, what about your drug dealer boyfriend? And she said, my drug dealer is not a boyfriend. And she goes, what about the last one? Mia said, yeah, well, what about the last one? So Mia was just using some old gossip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And K, I think, knows, but she's like, still, though, you. And Mia doesn't care. She's like, hello. Maybe I will swat you away and not care about what you're saying. You are not getting a fight for me. Because Kieran tells her, and she goes, okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. He's clearly a social worker. You can tell by his Band Houston shirt. I never should have implied otherwise. Now, does he have a wardrobe gimmick as well, or is that just my boyfriend?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then TJ is like, wow, your legs look so good, lady. That I know. And she's like, thank you. Oh, my God, I hope our chiron says, stacy and piece of man meat. It's like, Stacy and her friend, she's like, darn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he comes in and he's like, hey. And he does this thing that when he. When he, like, shakes someone's hand, he comes in really high at first and comes down. His hand could, like, just, like, goes like a roller coaster.

[Ronnie Karam]

He doesn't swoop down like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whoa. What's going on? I was like, whoa. So then he's like. Wendy goes, oh, this is Stacey. I'm sorry. So Stacey's like, everyone. No, I'm sorry. Wendy's like, everyone, this is Stacy's man. And he's like, that's right. I'm the man. Yes. We're gonna go to the zoo. What's going on? Zoo? And then the track and then the showers. So then Wendy's like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

You said it. For the first time ever, you admitted to being your man. He's like, oh, yeah. And Wendy's like, tj is everything I thought that he would be. There's nothing sexual going on there.

[Ben Mandelker]

The moment I met tj, I knew immediately that man is not sexually active.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it is funny because he does have, like, youth pastor energy, you know? He's like, whoa, taking a van ride. We're all taking the van ride to White Sands. Their hills made out of sand. That's white.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley's like, so Stacy's shared that you guys are friends, that you guys have, like, a really good friendship. He's like, yeah, nothing. No funny business ever. We just got closer. She's like, oh. And Eddie's like, well, you know, a lot of times, great relationships often start with a great friendship. And he's like, right. They have to, right? Because after that, it's just physical. Boring. Who cares about physical? What I'm talking about is going to the zoo. Am I right, everyone? High five. Who wants a high five? Low five. Any five. Come on, zoo people.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Ashley's like, mayday, Mayday. She does say, what do you. What do you guys do together? Well, how about this? We just went to the zoo yesterday. What do you think of that? My God. Listen, man, I know that you're not having sex, but you don't have to kill my boner. Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, I know you're holding a lot of stuff in right now, but why are you going to a place where you got to hold the animals in, too? Like, go to places where things roam free?

[Ronnie Karam]

I guarantee you that man is holding nothing in. That man is fucking somebody. There is no way I don't believe for one second that this man is celibate. He just wants to be fame Horry and take off Stacy's fame. He's not. He's fucking somebody.

[Ben Mandelker]

He is Fame. He is definitely, definitely trying to, like, do some coattails action here. Fame wise, for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He definitely looks like someone who's getting, like. He's very happy. He's not like. I mean, he's very, like. He every. I think, like, this scene. He looks like he's just been laid, like, 50 times. It's like, hey, never felt better. Not that one time. All right, so Jazzy's like, well, oh. So now. Now Darius arrives and he's got his teammate Prince with him. Who's a prince? Look at that. Who knew? And they're all. Jassy's asking the Prince if he's single. And she's like, well, I do have a couple of friends that are single. So I wanted to make sure we've got Ashley. If you date her, you've got Gollum basically visiting you every day and threatening you in a funny accent. So that's super fun. Who else we got?

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle's like, wow, that arm. Yes. And then Wendy's like, oh, D, how was your visit to the White House? How did that go? And he's like, yeah, it was good. He talked about, like, how we talked to President Biden and everything. And he's like, yeah, the food was better than last year. I can say that. They're like, oh, cool. Like, we didn't need to know that much. So then Jassy's like, okay, everyone, let me do a toast. I would like to thank you all for showing up from my amazing three time super bowl over five eight champion, Darius. Darius, can you tell the shorter men what it's like to be as tall as you? Because I think everyone would love that insight. Okay, anyone?

[Ronnie Karam]

Darius has never not been able to ride a ride. Everybody, let's give him a round of applause.

[Ben Mandelker]

Darius has had to go through so much in life. I mean, so many bruises on his forehead when he accidentally walked into ceiling fans and door jams. It's something that very few of us will ever be able to understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not only has Darius made it through all of this, but he was the first toddler to ever be able to ride the Matterhorn. Guys, let's give him a round of applause worth two Gregs. His name is Darius. Darius.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, people may not know this about Darius, but he has incredible knee flexibility from all the times he's had to fold himself up just to get into a standard sized car.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everybody's like, wow. And she's like, you know what? I just like to say, in this life, you guys, what's for you is for you. And no one can take it away. I'll bet the mother of his children doesn't feel like that. Yeah, but nice speech, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, nice. And then she goes, so cheers to my man. I was like, oh, there she is, laying the claim, laying. I'm surprised she. She didn't do the. Yeah. She's like, he's mine. I'm surprised she didn't do the whole, like, ladies, please, no drama. Today is about Darius, my man who won a Super bowl, who's famous, who makes me adjacent to Taylor Swift. No fighting, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everybody's cheers is ing. And so Mia Goes over to say hello to Karen, saying, oh, Karen, you look so nice. It must not be raining, because you actually look dry for once. And Karen's like, well, hello. So Giselle told me you were coming after me, and you are in no position to be coming after anybody, baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. If we're gonna have this argument, let us stage this a little bit better. Come on over to this table so we can sit down and. All right, ladies, I just want to make pizza. So I did share Karen, what you said about Mia. I did not add any hot sauce. I just laughed a lot and said, go fight with Karen at Jassy's event with this information. Nah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Giselle, you know, we see a flashback of Giselle saying, karen said you had to go to rehab for opioids. And he is saying, I didn't go to rehab. I ended up in the hospital because I overdosed. A big deal. And then we come back, and Karen's like, well, honestly, you've been on me, like, white on, right? It's like, I have not been coming for you, but I'm telling you how I feel, and that is how I feel. I thought we were friends. Me, our friends. It's like, well, yeah, but now I hear you're saying that I went through rehab. Yeah, you started it. You've been.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't believe you would accuse me of going to rehab when you're the one who obviously most needs to have rehab. It's like a rehab accusation fight. So she's like, and if I did go to rehab, I'm woman enough to say I went to rehab, but I did not go to rehab. I went to the joint. I overdosed, and then I went to the joint chiropractic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, you went to the hospital. Then she's like, yeah, and that's when I got introduced to chiropractic care, and they asked her about her opioid addiction, and she's like, oh, gosh. It was right after Joshua was born because of the cesarean. And so I got addicted to the pills, and then, you know, I went to holistic room. And that's why chiropractic came into play, because when you get your routine chiropractic adjustments, it removes the pain that's inside of your body, and you never need to take medication.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, sure. All right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really trying to sell us a lot of bridges lately. We've got the chiropractor bridge. We got the Scientology bridge. What else are you guys cooking up over there?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right? So Karen's like, well, so it's not too far fetched for me to think that you were in rehab. And she's like, well, you were being messy. Well, I was returning. I was returning the serve. Giselle's like, well, Ken, we just got past it. Well, if you don't start with me, there won't be no, like Andy Burrow said, me.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, I'm not coming for you, Karen. I love you. And if I do come for you, it'll be with a ambulance, because I really love him. Probably a straight jacket, you know, you need that. Well, your love is very strange, girl. She goes, oh, it's real. It's real. I have so much respect for you, Karen. I know what you're going through. It's really hard. I really, really knew. I mean, I just wish you could find chiropractor for yourself. Addict.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just wish that when we were in Lake Norman, I could have put you down on that bench and had someone snap your neck around in half at my first ever joint chiropractic. But unfortunately, they had no idea who I was, so we had to leave there right away. So she say, as a friend, sometimes your friends will always tell you everything that you want to hear. And, like, I'm not a yes friend. I'm a liar friend. Okay? And you know that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Karen. And Karen's like, you are messy and you're not supportive. Now, now that can change. Well, probably. Well, there's hope. I'm gonna say that you're wrong, and I'm wrong for now for going low. So everybody, there, I said it. I'm wrong, everybody. Where's the applause? Where's the applause? I've been wrong before. Not often, but I was wrong for about five seconds there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm very sorry for going low. And I just want to promise, make a promise to every woman here at this table. I will go low again. I will do it. I will do it. I will do it quickly, and I will do it lower every single time. Because when you go low, I return the serve.

[Ronnie Karam]

Amia's like, well, I'll go lower. Ashley's, oh, we know how low you go. We just met him. And Ashley's like, can I be on ground zero? Just be on ground zero. Karen's like, we're on ground zero. And she's where the balls hang. Lower. All right. I mean, he goes, well, I like balls. She goes, oh, well, you know all about ball balls, don't you? Oh, God, she's at ball level. That's where she is.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know all about. You know all about low balls. It's like, well, no. Okay, well, I'm not the one you know about. Well, you've been on a lot of public balls. How about that? So it doesn't matter. You have. You may have normal heightened balls, but they are public. Public for everyone. You might as well be on the MTA bar line right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Big public, your profession. Professional ball person. And she's like, yeah, that is. And so Ashley's like. Because now it's just devolving into gibberish, you know? So Ashley's like, I think we made progress.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was like, yes, I actually did. This ball discussion is actually a good sign right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Mia's talking about how Karen's court date's coming, so she's just going to give her a pass on that one. And so Mia goes over to Ink and they're like, what happened? And he says, what happened? And she's like, oh, nothing. It's not even worth it. I'm completely unbothered. So then we go to lunch with Karen and her cousin David.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So this is. This is the scene where Karen is going to make a case for herself that she was drunk driving because she hadn't really mourned yet. So Karen's like, so much has happened.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's been started with the taxes, how they did not send a clip of. Of the tax press release. Yeah. Or the tax press conference scene is beyond me. That was sorely missing from this. Shame on you, editors. Shame on you. But I do appreciate the deer in the opening of this episode, so thank you for that. Shame on your miss.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, oh, oh, cousin David, I haven't seen you since the morning of my accident. Actually, when. When she first walks in, she's like, hello, handsome sexy man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you single? Just kidding. I'm actually your cousin. That was a disgusting joke. If you think about about it. She's like hitting on him as a joke.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's basically tells him. Apparently he was on the phone with her when she got into the accident. So he starts crying because that was traumatic, you know, because you know that Karen was like, oh, my God, there's three deer standing in the street right now. Which one should I hit? He's like, karen, don't hit any of them. She's like, all of you. And then just boom, boom, plows into all three, which turned out to be just fine. And he's crying because he's very upset. And she she starts her load of crap basically. Like, it's been so stressful, and I've never mourned. Karen, we've seen you mourning for three years. I mean, that's not to take away the pain. And I don't think that kind of pain ever goes away. I'm not saying that. Deflection, though. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is a little. I agree. And. And so, yeah, she's like, oh, well, stress. I have so much stress. The silent killer. And so.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're the silent killer. You are the silent killer. You don't get to call things a silent, silent killer. When you ran over a deer.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am so sorry, David, that you heard the crash that Giselle probably caused by adding more stress to my life. Let's be honest, it wasn't my fault. It's all those girls. All those evil, evil girls. I'm so sorry, David. I know this was difficult for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So he cries and she hugs him. She's like, we're blessed, we're blessed, we're blessed. So then we go to Mia and Inks, and Ink is just winning children over. How you win them over. He's like, guys, you want a surprise? It's Sugar. And they're like, ah, they go crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

They go crazy. Mia's kids are so sweet and so lovely. It really is heartbreaking to know that this is going to eventually really affect them. And, like, right now, they're just innocent, and they're just. They're just very loving. You can see they just. They just are full of, like, so much joy. And so they're, like, hugging Ink and everything. What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

Almond Joy? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Inks, like, everyone. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. Am I right, kids? Which one do you want today? So. So they're like, you know, Jeremiah's hugging him and everything, and it's just so sweet. So then Gordon comes in and Mia's like, co parenting to me is a top priority, just behind gaslighting Gordon. But we're getting a divorce. And sometimes, you know, there's just, like, no boundaries. It can be a little uncomfortable and something that we need to discuss with Gordon. So there we have it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were this man while you were married to Gordon, and you're sitting here complaining about boundaries. What are you talking about? You were so nuts. You've been carrying on an affair with this man for years, and now you're going to talk about boundaries? You are something else, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although it sounds like Gordon signed off on it. Sounds like Roman's like, look, go. Go get banged somewhere else. It's fine. This is our arrangement. So I don't know, like, it may not be quite as cut and dry as that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's still cut and dry because she ditched the arrangement the second Gordon lost his money, which I guess would be him cutting the arrangements.

[Ben Mandelker]

Either way, it makes for some.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just funny listening to it and all this is, like, totally normal. And she's like, moralizing every two seconds. Like, oh, my God. He's really. He's really fussing with the boundaries here. No, Mia, you don't get to say, like, that lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, gorning, can we have a conversation about telling the kids about. And she. He's like, no, no. I've said many times, I'm not going on camera to discuss this. And Ink's like, hey, I. I feel I missed something. Gordon's like, did someone say something? Is someone in here? Oh, yeah, it's Ink. Come around from the kitchen island so Gordon can see you.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, oh, my God, is that the phone book? I've been looking for that thing. Give that to me. He's like, sorry. So Gordon's like, this is between us, not you. And I told Mia, I'm not filming with you when you and I are together with the kids. I'm going to be cordial, but I'm not going to. Basically, he's like, I'm not going to act like this is all cool with me and normalize your fucking relationship on tv. Because that's totally what she's trying to get him to do. Look at us. We're just a happy little family. Gordon's here. Crazy Gordon. We're taking care of Gordon and the kids. Kids, isn't that crazy? Gordon, you want a cookie? Gordon, you want some sugar corn?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, putting a shot collar on him. Ink's like. He's like, well, look, I'm not trying to push to do anything. What I'm doing is supporting my lady, who I guess was your lady, but my lady now. And what I'm doing, okay, like, is I am here for co parenting reasons, but even outside that, you know, we get along. Gordon, I don't have an issue with you and Gordon's. I mean, it's like, yeah, we have a lot of to work things. We have a lot. We have to work things out because we have to figure out what's best for our kids. Maybe not hashing us all out on tv. Mia.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so Gordon's like, I won't do it. I'm not going to make this okay. I'm not okay with it. And Ink's like, well, I don't need your promotion, which, you know, Bless Inc.

[Ben Mandelker]

Doesn't really understand words.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Gordon's like, well, I didn't ask you to. I'm not about enriching. Enriching this situation. I mean, it's like, there are children involved.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't care. But he is around children, so you should not want to know what sort of man is around your kids, you know, because, like, technically, one of them is my kids. So Gordon's like, well, when I look at him, I see a person that has had adultery with my wife. I also see a person who's trying to separate my family. And that's what I see when I look at him. I was like, this is so. This is so dark. This entire scene is wild. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Ink's like, oh, that's crap. That's crap. And he goes, oh, that's not what she said. And he goes, oh, wait, wait. Time out. You guys were already in an expired situation. Oh, it was expired, wasn't it? Just the time ran out on it. He had his time with the library book, and now it's up. What the fuck are you talking about, man? And Gordon's like, well, what about you having an affair with my wife? And shortly after we got married, she got pregnant and had an abortion because of you. Okay, you know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, this is wild. So wild. And so Ink's like, well, that's my first time hearing about that. And he was like, stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Gordon, by the way, not affected at all. Gordon's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, you know, you had an affair with my wife, and then she had an abortion because of you. So he's like. Ink's like, yeah, I did not know about this. So Gordon's like, and did you have two affairs with my wife at least? I'm like, like, is it two affairs, or has it just been kind of one long, continuous affair? Because let's be honest, this thing never stops.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was having an affair when she married you. I think it's pretty apparent now that she's always been with Ink. You were the affair. She just got married to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he. Gordon was having an affair also, wasn't he? Wasn't he with Mia or when he was married? Wasn't he married when he met? I don't remember. There's so much messiness between.

[Ronnie Karam]

I assume so, which is terrible. But I just Assumed, you know, older guys, that's what they're doing. Generally trade them in for the younger model, the younger show woman. Gordon was like, so Mia's like, well, understand those circumstances, Gordon, because you weren't going through something. You were so poor. Gordon. Does anybody have something Gordon can suck on? He's losing it again, everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, was there adultery? Adultery committed? She goes, well, I was willing to make it work and stand by your side. It's just not fair, you know, what you put me through. What you put me through was not normal. And he's like, okay, you know what? I'm done here. So he's gonna leave. So he leaves, and Mia's talking about how she's been in this relationship that she's wanted to leave year after year after year, which I believe, actually. And. And she said that because of his illness, she would stay in the marriage and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Illness? Money. Is that what it's called? You might want to rethink that sentence.

[Ben Mandelker]

But he has to get to a point where there has to be some level of self accountability, you know? So now she's like, I don't know. Oh, my God, my mind is blown. I need, like, a moment. I need. I need a moment. And Ink's like, look, just. There's kids in the room. I. You know, we don't want the kids to hear all that. And she's like, I know you don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Want the kids to hear that profanity. You were fucking their mom while they were in the house. You don't. What are you talking about? This is making me crazy. This moralizing. Like, they're like, oh, my God, we must protect the children. You two are the ones that fucking wrecked all of this for the children. What the fuck are you talking about? Taking crazy pills. Do you think anybody. I haven't read a whole lot of comments and stuff this season. Do you think people are falling for this horseshit of Mia's, or do you think they're just like, oh, Mia's gross?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. It's so funny because this is quite the scandal, but I don't feel like anyone's really invested in it. Everyone's just sort of, like, fascinated and amused. But, like, no, I. I personally have not noticed a lot of people whipping themselves into a frenzy bat if they're like, oh, okay, well, let's either this or Teddy Mellencamp, so let's do this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I know. Interesting that. In other. I feel like in any other show, this would be huge. This would be a huge scandal. But I just feel like with Mia and in particular it's just like, oh, but it's Mia so like of course, you know, like nobody's surprised. It's just like, oh, there, there's a Mia storyline, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's. Yeah, she just is like. I guess it's the issues I. I have is because the shelter, you know, I've sheltered the kids and I don't want the children to be privy to us figuring it out. Although I'm pretty sure that she said preview to us figuring it out, which was funny to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, the kids don't even know that you and I are like an item. Yes, they do. And she's like, they just think you're my best friend. And that's what I wanted to talk to Gordon about while the kids are here. Like if you didn't want the kids being previewed this information, you could have done this at a restaurant, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she's basically like, she's saying that she's lived 11 years. This craziness and you know, like corn can. You know what, G? You can't influence me any longer. I'm not 22 year old girl. I deserve happiness. I. And that's where the episode ends for the week.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that brings us to the end of the Real Housewives of Potomac. We will be live with Kempire tonight over on our 5:30 Pacific Time YouTube live show and Instagram live. So check it out there and if you missed it, the audio will be up later this week. Just join us live every other week also. That's it. If you want to watch this, go to Patreon. You want bonuses, go over there and we'll see you next time, guys. You know what? We love you guys.

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