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Happens what happens when there's what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watcher Crappins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker joining me as usual. It's the wonderful Ronnie Carom. Hi, Ronnie, how are you?

Ben Mandelker (2:54)

Hi, Balani Tunes. What you doing, honey pie?

Ronnie Karam (2:57)

Just settling in for a Rony recap, everyone. Check us out on patreon patreon.com watch for crap ins. You get access to our videos with Crapons on Demand. We have a weekly bonus episode. All sorts of fun stuff. So go check that out. And without any further ado, let's just like dive into this because people have been talking about Roni for the past week. Not necessarily in a good way. A lot of people were upset about the prank. Betrayed the trust of the audience quite a bit. You know, we were on Jeff Lewis earlier today, and we didn't really talk too much about the fact that, like, Jeff went on to watch what happens live and was like, yeah, I don't like pranks. And I think this is bad. And I think this was wrong. And I, you know, I think. I think it was a bad move. Bad move of this show to build to. It's okay to have a prank, but the way that they framed it on this episode, I think that they're gonna have to. They're gonna do a lot of. A lot of. A lot of work to get that goodwill back from the audience that they've squandered.

Ben Mandelker (3:59)

I mean, it's not just the way that they framed it on the show is that they based the whole season on this one thing. It's like, coming up this season, this thing happens. And so people like, oh, my God, this show has some life in it. And it turned out they do not. It was just a joke. But, you know, whatever. It's like, whatever, and we move on. You know what I mean? Like, I can't. It was too. It's too boring to keep talking about over and over again. You know, we've got new things. But the show. This is the show that never learns its lesson, as we know. I've said it 9 million times this year. So they're not going to learn their lesson from this, even in the moment. They are going to add on to this and make it more of a storyline by changing it and making it that Bryn never even knew it was a.

Ronnie Karam (4:39)

It was actually. I was surprised, actually by the turn that this took. It's like, I get it now. Like, in some ways, it's kind of brilliant what they did. Like, they got us all mad. They got the audience so mad about this. Prank. And then we find out that there's way more. Not. Not. Not way more. That's interesting. But way more to the story. So basically, we come back to the dodgeball court, and, you know, they're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. All this stuff about the. About this rumor that's going around. And, you know, because Rebecca has walked off, has stormed off, allegedly furious, and Aaron has gone. And now Aaron and Rebecca walk back and size. Like, I don't even know what to.

Ben Mandelker (5:21)

Do with my facial expressions. Oh, my God.

Ronnie Karam (5:23)

And then Rebecca's like, guys, so Gavin does not know about this. I. I told him the reason why I'm feeling sick is because my diva cup keeps falling out. I'm doing weird things to my body, but that's it.

Ben Mandelker (5:39)

So Rebecca's like, so you guys have to zip your leafy, leaky mouths. Okay? And then it's like, wait, so that your. Your husband. He doesn't know that you're. What's. Like, it's early. It's just five weeks. So who told who? Aside from this, Aaron, which is a whole other situation. I'm very, very, very upset with Aaron. Very, very, very upset with aaron. Nobody from that 70s show is ever going to be nice to Aaron again. I can promise you that much.

Ronnie Karam (6:08)

But I would never say anything to anyone that you're pregnant, because I know you're not supposed to say months, but that being said, I did tell my mother and about five other people off camera, but that's it. That's all I've spoken to.

Ben Mandelker (6:23)

So Br. Did you tell them? And Brent's like, no, I mean, I didn't tell him you're pregnant. I just told them. I heard other things. Beep, beep. Mostly he told him, I need bottle. I'm sexy. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (6:39)

I tell people that you do, like, a Russian roulette with, like, other dudes. Have fun, fun.

Ben Mandelker (6:46)

Interesting. So rumors are going around then. It's like, yeah, that you and Gav. Gav like to have fun, but it's less offensive if I just say things twice. Fun, fun. See, it's great.

Ronnie Karam (7:00)

So Jenna tells us. Jenna's, like, upset because she's like, you know, Brynn likes to embellish, you know, And I'm just, like, bummed that she's, like, gossiping about someone's marriage that could, like, do potential damage to their marriage. And I went through that because I was at it on page six. I have trauma. So then Rebecca is basically like, brand, you're extremely quiet.

Ben Mandelker (7:20)

And Br, like, I'm just having My thoughts, Becky.

Ronnie Karam (7:24)

So then everyone's like, okay, Rebecca, you should just, like, tell them. Like, tell them. It's, like, time. It's, like, so hilarious. Just, like, tell them. So it comes out. Rebecca's like, guys, we're with you.

Ben Mandelker (7:37)

We just wanted to see who the leaky pigeons are. And now we know who the leaky pigeons are. It's you guys. It's Wren. And so they start cracking up, and Aaron's like, okay, here's how it happened. Last Tuesday, Rebecca and I are having lunch, and a light bulb goes off in Rebecca's head, and she says, I think it's hard in a big group when there's a leaky pigeon. Who's the leaky pigeon?

Ronnie Karam (8:05)

Shouldn't it be leaky pitcher? By the way, this drives me nuts that the entire episode they keep saying leaky pigeon. Like, a leaky pigeon is really. Actually, of course, would be Rebecca Minkoff to mention to create a concept of a leaky pigeon.

Ben Mandelker (8:18)

She just loves leaks even. She even projects it onto animals.

Ronnie Karam (8:22)

And, you know, how about a pigeon that just has a pigeon with diarrhea just flying around?

Ben Mandelker (8:28)

Like, Rebecca, it started with the pigeon thing from uva. It's just, pigeon, pigeon this, pigeon that. You're all pige. And so now they've turned it into the pigeon is leaking. So now we've got leaky pigeons. So Rebecca's like, guys, we just came up with a really funny, harmless rumor that she's pregnant. Maybe just you just didn't know, like, who the dad is. And so Erin's like, yeah. And then the following day, I go to lunch with Jaisal and Brynn, and I find the perfect moment to drop the news. And it was when I dropped the news. Whoa, good one, Aaron. So then Raquel is so. See, the. We see the conversation, right? We see it. We've already seen it. But Bren's like, is she pregnant again? Who's the dad? And Aaron's like, it's not even a joke. They're not sure yet. She had one night, like, a crazy night. Guys, it was just one crazy night.

Ronnie Karam (9:23)

Yeah, basically, it's like everything we saw last week. The only new thing that we see is that when Abe the babe and Aaron go out to a double date with Mal and Raquel, they act. Aaron actually tells Raquel that there's a prank going on. So Raquel actually knew. I think that was, oddly enough, a pretty nice thing. Like, she's the new girl, so she's like, look, I'm in my mind. I'm Thinking she's telling Raquel because she's like, I'm going to spare her, you know? So then, you know, they're just talking about like, the seeds were planted. The rumors are going to spread far and wide. Wide. So now we're back to dodgeball. And Jessel's like, I don't know, guys. That was that kind of a fucked up lie. And so I was like, yeah, that.

Ben Mandelker (10:01)

Was like really fucked up, guys.

Ronnie Karam (10:03)

So they were like, you know, Erin has this look on her face. She's so proud. She's like, taught people a lesson. And, you know, the audience is just like, I can't believe we. We fell for this bullshit.

Ben Mandelker (10:17)

But also, and Uber says it the best when she says, if I were Aaron and Rebecca comes up to me and says, let's find leaky pigeon, I would be like, girl, I don't think I'm the one you should be going to. Because I'm like, the leaky leak of all the leaky pigeon. Because Aaron is the worst. I mean, Aaron ties with Brynn as being of the worst of like, oh, my God. How are you feeling about her? Here's how she's feeling about you.

Ronnie Karam (10:41)

Well, also, like, Erin has spent the whole segment.

Ben Mandelker (10:44)

I won't tell anybody she's pregnant. I mean, the whole thing was Erica. Was Erica. Erin, sorry to recaps in a day. I'm like, erica, the whole thing was Aaron leaking it in the first place. How is everybody else in trouble exactly?

Ronnie Karam (10:58)

Well, the whole. And the thing is that like, Aaron's whole thing with Brynn is that Bran always goes and gossips and puts her own spin on things and it makes people look shitty. So the who purpose of this, this prank is to out Brynn as someone who does this. But it's Aaron who does it. I mean, Brynn does it too. Doesn't exonerate Brynn, but Erin does it and she does it a lot.

Ben Mandelker (11:21)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (11:21)

And this whole episode is actually exposing that Eren does add sizzle or has lies by omission and lets people infer things. So ub. So Aaron's like, just let their record stand. I would never say someone was pregnant if they asked me not to. Guess what? I have a secret about almost every person here. It's like, well, you should have just stopped the first sentence. Why are you saying that? Because then uba's like, oh, no, you have. You don't have a secret about me. Do not lie. Do not lie. If you do tell it to the group right now, you lying. I know for 100% sure you do not have a secret about you. Basic. Basic. Who drinks water from glasses?

Ben Mandelker (12:00)

She's like, okay, I don't have a secret on you. Then she goes, okay, so don't say everyone. And she's was like, what is she doing? What is she, the Mafia? You know? And Rebecca's like, well, I think this just teaches us all a lesson. If you want to keep a secret, don't tell these two. And she points to Jessel and Brynn. And so Bryn's like, oh, yeah, you need new material. Like, you need better jokes. What are you so defensive at? She's still not even come at you like you deserve. You just went and told everybody that. She's like, a total.

Ronnie Karam (12:30)

Like, yeah, what do you.

Ben Mandelker (12:32)

You do not. You do have. You have no room to be defensive right now, ma'am.

Ronnie Karam (12:36)

Yeah. And then when later on, we find out that Brynn knew it was a prank, so she was adding lots of sizzle to this prank, hoping to get other people being. Rebecca's a slut. So Brian is basically like, why are you testing us? Okay, this isn't SAT prep. Like, unless you're in an Ivy League school, you don't need to test people, let alone friends. Like, I think, oh, honey, see, don't say you need better jokes. And then you make that clunky one right there, okay?

Ben Mandelker (13:02)

But also to be like, oh, you don't need to test us. You failed the test. You know what I mean? Like, obviously, you do need to test. You're like someone who hits another car in parallel parking, you know? Like, there shouldn't even be testing. You're the reason that there's testing. Know what I mean? So then Jessel's like, excuse me, do not include me in this. I told my mother, and that's it. And then we see her telling her mother, you know, and then Raquel's like, you told your mom? She like, well, I thought she was getting pregnant, knocked up by some random. And I was like, I have to tell somebody.

Ronnie Karam (13:31)

Then we see that shot again of her mom going, what? So now I love her mom. So now it's another day. Sabrin goes and meets Jessel at, like, a pad. They're wearing captain's hats. It's fleet week in New York City. So they've gone out to some bar to find sailors.

Ben Mandelker (13:49)

I guess I want to make a sailor.

Ronnie Karam (13:54)

So they, Jessel and Brynn sit down to have this lunch, and they are just talking about sailors coming in. And Brin of this, of course, gives Brynn a chance to make all the most obvious jokes. Like, I'm just, like, lost at sea with, like, no semen. Insane. Just. Yes.

Ben Mandelker (14:16)

Well, I need someone to push my chair in, but I think I just have to do it to myself. Do you want to switch chairs? You want to switch here? You could use my face. Just kidding. Just kidding. So pretend I'm popping. That's hilarious. So. So now they start talking about the third child thing, which I still. I don't know. It's. Do I not believe it, or do I just not care? Oh, no.

Ronnie Karam (14:43)

I think it's a combination.

Ben Mandelker (14:45)

Crazy over having a third, you know, Aren't the first two painful enough? You know, look at them just over there knocking everything over everywhere they go.

Ronnie Karam (14:52)

Yeah. So. But she's talking about how Jaisal says they've got a therapist from Mexico who can really help us navigate. And, you know, but then she goes.

Ben Mandelker (15:04)

He'S really cool because he's from Mexico. She's like, oh, wow.

Ronnie Karam (15:08)

So then Jessel's like, well, as long as this day is shot, since no one was there to push in my chair, why don't you tell me about your love life? Who are you dating? And so Brin Child talks about, like, being in your late 30s. The pool of eligible men is much smaller. The good guys are all gone. They're all taken. And when she was in her twenties was much easier, but she's been freezing her egg, and she's kind of like, man, why did I take plan B so many times? Like, why did I take plan B when I had so many great options? I never should have done that.

Ben Mandelker (15:39)

She's like, I just feel like Carrie Bradshaw making the biggest mistake of her life not marrying Aiden. So sad that you're still comparing yourself to Carrie Bradshaw. Like, please, I feel bad for this guy because she's talking about the billionaire Hugh can't. You know, who's just like, a goofy version, like, funhouse mirror version of Hugh Grant. And I feel bad for him because she's just kind of using this dude, and he's like, all right, someone's talking to me. I'm in.

Ronnie Karam (16:07)

I know.

Ben Mandelker (16:08)

Pretty girl talking to me about 20 years my junior. I'm in. What do I need to do, you know?

Ronnie Karam (16:13)

Yeah, I mean, here's a hot. Sort of a hot take that. This scene when Bryn was talking about, like, freezing her eggs and how it's tough. I actually. I liked this. I felt like this was actually a very honest thing that she was sharing and, like, how it is tough and. And all that stuff. And I was like, this is the Brin that I like. I like when she's just, like, being more real and then all. But then it's like, sounds. What we're gonna do is we're gonna have, like, a baby, and we're gonna borrow a baby for a day and, like, see how it is. A little baby. I was like, okay. And now we're back to, like, you know, like, silliness. This is actually not her fault, but, like, the show is like. Like, just let her, like, let her have a real moment. Why do we have to have us, like, a scene of, like, we're gonna see what it's like to be parents for a day. I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm articulating myself right, but I just had a glimmer of feeling like there was something, you know, compelling about Brynn. And I was like. It became very quick to realize, oh, this is like, at Fleet Week itself, it will be fleeting because we're gonna go into, like, a fake scene of, like, child rearing.

Ben Mandelker (17:12)

Well, at least it wasn't a doll baby, because that would have been worse. At least it was a real kid. I didn't even catch this because when the scene actually came up, I was like, who the fuck is that kid?

Ronnie Karam (17:22)

Why is there a child?

Ben Mandelker (17:24)

I never really got it. I was like, why is there a kid here? Are they not going to talk about how the kid ended up here? Did it just happen to crawl up to the fifth floor and that they're too afraid to let it crawl down by itself? Like, what happened?

Ronnie Karam (17:34)

Yeah, no, I mean, Brynn's like, yeah, like, little. Like, my friend Laura is bringing over Luca, and Gideon and I are going to test drive a two year old to see if we could be co parents. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, like, I thought what Brynn was sharing was compelling because I felt.

Ben Mandelker (17:47)

Like she was being. She was being truthful, and then she resorted to a stupid hack, you know?

Ronnie Karam (17:53)

Then you realize, oh, this is just set up for, like, another classic sort of reality show scene of, like, can we be parents? I was like, oh, okay. Like, it just went from being interesting to a grown.

Ben Mandelker (18:02)

Yeah. So she's like. Jessel's like, so do you just think that he's in love with the idea of you and she? No, unfortunately, I think, like, he's actually into me, which is, like, so crazy. And she's like, why do you say that? What's wrong with you, by the way? There's no sailors here. Just don't answer because I really don't care. Does anybody? You're gay. Where are the sailors? And they're like, chelsea girl, where do you think they come. You think sailors are going to come out of here and get a mediocre blowjob? They're in Hell's Kitchen. Chelsea. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (18:35)

So now Jenna's in her bathroom and she has a black eye from dodgeball. And she's like, I'm like, kind of into my black eye. It's like, pretty cool. I think it's like extra spice. I like it.

Ben Mandelker (18:45)

Yeah. And then we're strong, but she's also kind of a.

Ronnie Karam (18:49)

So. And then Uba's on the phone with someone in Wendy and she's like, hi, this is uba. I've been stalking your Instagram with pictures. And for picnics, I want to do a picnic with. I want to have a perfect picnic. And Uba's basically like, yeah, we're 35. We're not playing dodgeball for fun. We're gonna have a fancy picnic instead.

Ben Mandelker (19:09)

So then Mel and Raquel go to, like a. A sex museum. Isn't it the. Isn't this the sex museum or is this. There's a lot of, like, vagina. Like, this episode is like sex toys and like, what's the other one? It's like sex toy, sex toy. Freezing eggs and in vitro reproductive elements, you know?

Ronnie Karam (19:33)

Yeah. This is like a real place. I feel like I walk by this place. I feel like it's on like 5th Avenue or something like that. Something random, like near the Empire State Building. I just remember I was walking. I was walking by there recently and I was. Was desperate need of, like, lunch. And I think I got like a piece of. I think I got like a dildo grocery. I got a dildo. I went. I ate it. They had the most of that.

Ben Mandelker (19:52)

It's like gum from the fifth grade.

Ronnie Karam (19:54)

They have an amazing cafeteria there. They have kale salads in the shape of penises. It's. I don't know how they do it.

Ben Mandelker (20:01)

I'd love to do. It's just so, like, gross looking, you know, it's like, oh, geez, that's really vague. That's cow.

Ronnie Karam (20:08)

They're like. It's actually supposed to represent body parts in the 70s, so there's a lot of kale. I'm a lunatic right now. I don't know what I'm talking about. So they're in. They're here. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry. This is the sex shop.

Ben Mandelker (20:25)

This is different. I think is later. This is like a sex shop.

Ronnie Karam (20:29)

This isn't. Now I know why you were saying what you were saying because I got confused with the sex shop with the sex museum that they had on this episode.

Ben Mandelker (20:39)

Right. Yeah. I'm just saying, like every scene is something to do with either a sex store or, you know, sex paraphernalia or eggs or in vitro or something like that, you know, or trying out a baby or whatever.

Ronnie Karam (20:50)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (20:51)

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Ben Mandelker (24:08)

So then Raquel's like, oh gosh, so what is this, a speakeasy sex shop? I mean it's just so New York. This is just so New York. And it's like in an office building. And they're like, wow, this is so wild. So basically we find out that this is some they're going to have a ball for their engagement party. And she means like the old like drag queen.

Ronnie Karam (24:31)

Like, like Paris is burning. I actually like this. What she's like, she tells the person behind the the counter like, yeah, we're going to do like a ball for the theme. And she's like, you know, like with pose. And the employee is like, yeah, so like not like Cinderella, Cinderella, more like. I was like, I love that. She was like, you don't have to explain to this person what a ball is. She knows. She starts doing the whole dance.

Ben Mandelker (24:53)

She knew long before pose ma'am. And then Raquel just trying to explain like gay men things. She's like, ballroom. It's an underground dance culture started by young queer men of color. It's about being fierce. But most of all, it's about community and supportive environments making us all feel loved. Those are values we treasured. I hope my mom comes.

Ronnie Karam (25:17)

Yeah. So the whole thing is that, you know, she has a fraught relationship with her mom these days, and she hopes that her mom is going to come to this engagement party that's also going to feature various, you know, ball gags and whips.

Ben Mandelker (25:37)

That just cracked me up. She's like, God. My mom's very, you know, she was progressive, but then she became really religious and conservative and it just changed her. She got brainwashed. And I really hope she comes to this BDSM party I'm throwing because it would really hurt my feelings if she didn't.

Ronnie Karam (25:58)

So they're trying all sorts of stuff.

Ben Mandelker (26:01)

I know. I'm like, so funny. To me, this scene is so wild. And she's just such a self serious person too, you know?

Ronnie Karam (26:08)

Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (26:09)

But like, ultimately silly at the end of the day.

Ronnie Karam (26:11)

Yeah. I really like Raquel. And we've said this a million times. I think we both really like her. We're just not sure that she's really like, like, like it. Like it for a real housewife. So then we go over to Aaron and her mom and they're at like, they're at like some like, kids play experience thing called Genius Gems. And Jessel and her mom and Jessel's two little monster children come in and immediately start like, knocking everything over and pushing people into garbage cans and, like, I know. Pulling all the fire alarms.

Ben Mandelker (26:44)

Genius Gems. I was like, wow, it's a diamond shop. Nope. It was just a place where you could either have intelligent playing with blocks and putting them together or terrible children just punching the blocks and knocking everything over.

Ronnie Karam (26:58)

Yes. Some are builders, some are knocker overs. And guess which one I was.

Ben Mandelker (27:04)

So. Yeah, you were probably writing about the builders. Like, these builders are terrible.

Ronnie Karam (27:10)

I was probably organizing people, like one.

Ben Mandelker (27:12)

Person at a time started knocking them over. And here's what I'd like to say. Parent, do you not take care of your children in the gems in the gem store? Please take care of your children. Just blogging.

Ronnie Karam (27:24)

I'm like, here we go. The final piece in my representation of the IM Pei pyramid in front of the Louvre. Oh, my God. Who knocked over my pyramid?

Ben Mandelker (27:36)

So fun. Okay, so, yeah, so they're at that place and then we see Brynn going to the museum of sex. So it's another sex shop scene. And she's like, oh, my go. I feel like I'm coming home.

Ronnie Karam (27:54)

Yeah, it's really goes exactly the way you'd expect it. And I think that the, like, the big, like the joke Here is that we're going to cut back and forth between Jaisal and Aaron playing with their kids, doing something wholesome, but the rest of the women are like grabbing dildos and like a glory hole reenactment.

Ben Mandelker (28:11)

Yeah. And so it's funny. So they're like, so Bryn. So it's Raquel, Bryn, and I think psy comes and uber so. Or is that a different scene?

Ronnie Karam (28:22)

No, I don't know.

Ben Mandelker (28:23)

It's the same scene.

Ronnie Karam (28:24)

Okay, so then it's the same compelling scene. Yes.

Ben Mandelker (28:28)

They're like, so what do your orgasms feel like, Brandon? She's like, my whole body. Yeah, no, I've had people tell me, like, you're super hot, but, like, you look fucking stupid when you come.

Ronnie Karam (28:42)

So then we, you know, there's a lot of sort of back and forth stuff that's really not that interesting. But eventually we land back at genius gems. If I have to say genius gems one more time, I swear to God. So Aaron is like, so what did you think about dodgeball? And Jess is like, oh my God. She's like, yeah, you were freaking out. Guess what, mom? We played another prank. It was Rebecca's idea to see, like, she was like, pregnant and she's gonna say, like, where she's pregnant and doesn't know who the father is because she has like four kids. And Jess's mom is like a one night stand for a joke.

Ben Mandelker (29:17)

What? And just was like, well, I'm not trying to spread a rumor like that. And everyone's like, yeah, of course. And just I was like, well, that's a serious accusation and definitely not about Rebecca Minkoff. And then Bryn walks in and says, and then I asked, random people are saying xyz. And I was like, seriously, I had.

Ronnie Karam (29:40)

No idea she was gonna go and say she called around and found out that they're like, that they're like freaking. And like, I don't, like, I don't think she wants to spread the rumor because she doesn't like Rebecca. I think she just likes to spread rumors. And Rebecca's an easy target for her. So then we go back to the sex museum and Brynn is like, okay, everyone. So Jessel, Aaron and I go to lunch and then Aaron tells us whole story and like, Jessel believed her, but, like, I didn't. And then like afterwards, Erin, I had a drink and she told me that she was pregnant, but that the do part was like a prank. And so like, like Aaron told me and it was just like the fact they didn't know the father. Was. It was the prank. And I'm like, okay, I'll be in on it. I was like, wow. Brynn is like. Like, Brynn, you've been caught. You're caught and you're trying to wiggle your way out of it. That's what I thought at this point.

Ben Mandelker (30:30)

That's what I was thinking too. And I still don't really know what to think, except that I know that Aaron's also a goddamn liar. So it's not like I don't trust. It's not like I trust her either. But Brynn. Yeah. So Brynn's saying she didn't. She knew that the pregnancy thing was a prank, so she's going to add some sauce to it and tell everybody on purpose that Rebecca and this was the setup. So then we cut back, and I was doing that mostly for myself to keep this off. You didn't say anything wrong. I'm just, like, trying to get it.

Ronnie Karam (30:58)

No, I could see. Sometimes it's a lot.

Ben Mandelker (31:00)

It's just too stupid. It's too many details for such a stupid plot. Okay, so then Jessel's like, wait, did she know? And Aaron's like, no, she wasn't in on it. And then she tells us in the typical shady Aaron way. She's like, I actually told Brynn after we got a drink, which I'm not doing with her anymore, by the way. And she was like, did she really fuck other guys? And I was like, eh, Eh. And that was me being like, eh, exactly like it was. Which means. I don't know. But no. Why.

Ronnie Karam (31:27)

How does that. Like, how does that exonerate you or justify that? Like, you don't just tell people she is other guys and got pregnant from another guy. Was she. Wait, was she sleeping with another guy? Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (31:40)

I don't know.

Ronnie Karam (31:41)

What. How do you say the lot? The. The inflammatory part on camera and then off camera be like, well, maybe it was a lie. And then you're going to go and start accusing Brynn of being, like, gossiping and lying and putting sizzle on it on camera and then turn it. Having us all turn against Brynn. I mean, look, Brynn does a lot of things for us to turn against her. Brynn does a lot of work herself. But you can't do this whole season of, like, Brynn goes and tells Jenna that I said this. She always puts her sizzle on things. That's what she does, and that's why I'm mad at Brynn. But you were actively putting a sizzle. You actually are setting Up Brynn. And please don't make me advocate for Brynn here. But you are. I'm kind of on Bryn's side about this.

Ben Mandelker (32:18)

I mean, I kind of am, but I just don't believe the whole thing because then why didn't Brynn at the. When this all happened and Rebecca and Aaron were like, haha, we got you guys. Wasn't. Why wasn't Bryn like, yeah, yeah, we got you guys. That was funny. She got defensive against. Rebecca was like, you need to come up with more jokes. Well, because they were telling her, why were you lying about stuff? Brynn didn't stand up for herself. She just got really defensive and started being mean. So.

Ronnie Karam (32:42)

Because she still was. Because she still was half pranked. Because she. She thought one half of the prank. She knew one half of the prank was a prank, but she didn't know the other half of the prank was a prank, so she still got pranked. So she could either choose the I'm a pranker or I'm the prankee. And she shows I'm gonna be the prankie. God, I have. I have a chance to be. To be indignant right now and to be upset at someone, so I'm going to choose that path.

Ben Mandelker (33:04)

Okay.

Ronnie Karam (33:05)

So then we go back to the sex museum and Raquel is like, so everyone. This is so weird because we were on a double date and she told me she didn't know and that she was like, trying seek out like a leaky pigeon. And then, you know, basically Brynn tells everyone. Like, yeah, like, I thought this was a fun prank and everything and I knew about. So she tells everyone that she knows, and everyone's like, so this is kind of up because basically she did this prank and then she told you, but then she tells Raquel that you had no idea about it. So she's like, everyone was like, lying to Raquel about Brynn's involvement in the.

Ben Mandelker (33:44)

Prank to make it look like Brynn's just going around and making up horrible.

Ronnie Karam (33:49)

Slut stories about right where Brynn was. Brynn thought she was just like, making the prank more fun because she knew it was a prank. So she was. It was. It ultimately was just like a prank on Jessel because Jessel was the only one who had no idea that it was a prank, as usual.

Ben Mandelker (34:05)

Well, I'm Sigh. So I didn't know.

Ronnie Karam (34:07)

Oh yeah. But yeah, size. Size involvement was pretty for like 45 seconds. But Jaisal actually had a dinner and then she went to a jewelry store with her mom and told her mom therapist In Mexico. You know, the whole thing.

Ben Mandelker (34:19)

So then Uber is saying, well, I was getting really uncomfortable, and I think Bren sensed it. And so she saved the day by telling me it was a prank. And then Bran's like, but I did think she was pregnant. We were playing dodgeball. And Raquel's like, so you thought she was pregnant, but you thought she was pregnant with her husband's baby? And she's like, like, yeah. So then we go back to Aaron, and Aaron's like, I mean, if someone told me they were pregnant early on and said, don't say anything, I would never say it. You know me.

Ronnie Karam (34:47)

You know what? Here's what we do. Here's what we definitely know about Aaron. She's a terrible pranker. Like, this is. This is the second season in a row where her pranks have fallen so flat. Last year was about the phone. And then she's like, why is it a joke? And this year. This year, she's. I. I'm actually, like, angry at how bad she is of a prankster because she goes on. Rebecca's like, everyone says I'm boring, so I'm gonna do a prank. And Aaron's like, I'll do it with you. And then she basically fucks up Rebecca's prank for her. Let Rebecca have her prank. You ruined Rebecca Minkoff's prank.

Ben Mandelker (35:21)

Yeah. So Dorothy is like, well, people have to be able to trust you. And Aaron says, yeah, that was the moral of the story. So says the lady who just completely fucks somebody over during the princess. I mean, what the hell? So then UBA's like, you know, okay, listen, I'm just. I'm thinking I could be wrong, but I think the reason she told you it was a prank was because she wants you to do it. And then go around to everyone else and say, look. Look who's the leaky pigeon. Because if she didn't tell you it's a prank, then you would not have said it. And I was so glad that it was taking UBA a minute to piece it together, because I was like, oh, okay, I'm kind of getting it now, because I didn't really get it. I still thought Brynn was lying at this point. So then UBA is like, well, why didn't Aaron come and tell me the story? Because she. Why didn't she tell me? Because she knows I wouldn't tell anybody. So she found someone who does exactly what she wants, which is fly, fly away with the message, which is so true. And Aaron and Brynn do this with Each other. They just, they probably get together and are like, let's do this storyline and let's do this and then we'll fight over this.

Ronnie Karam (36:19)

Yeah. And Sai is actually the one who has some sense and she's like, you know what it says to say that Aaron already failed her own test. She leaked this prank to Raquel. She leaked this prank to Brynn. And out of all the women in this group, Eren is the last person who needs to be testing people on who is a leaky pigeon and what the is a leaky pigeon in the first place. It's disgusting.

Ben Mandelker (36:35)

Get the pigeon a diaper. Put it down.

Ronnie Karam (36:39)

If we've got leaky pigeons in New York. And, like, something tells me there could be a public health issue going on.

Ben Mandelker (36:46)

So Raquel's like, she wanted to believe that you're a leaky pigeon and that you're like this terrible person that would go out and tell us these things because she told me that you and Jessel bought it hook, line and sinker. I feel like Prynne Manipul. I feel like Aaron manipulated the situation. She left out Bryn was going to be a part of it. So the minute Bryn started speaking, I was like, holy bridge's a pigeon. This is up.

Ronnie Karam (37:12)

This is the most convoluted, uninteresting storyline. It's so hilarious. And yet I. You know what? I can't keep saying it's uninteresting because the way that I am actually shouting into the microphone, it's getting more interesting.

Ben Mandelker (37:25)

For sure.

Ronnie Karam (37:26)

No, for sure. Like, I, I have to say, I, I was with everyone else. I was really upset with the prank last week, but actually seeing this, what it's actually revealing is surprisingly. I'm in for. It's surprisingly interesting. I'm okay with this.

Ben Mandelker (37:40)

Here's something really fucked up. Okay. They put this on right after Beverly Hills, Right. Which Beverly Hills is their highest rated show. And it's not that I'm actively rooting against New York, but this was the highest ratings of the season. They got 0.406 million viewers. So that's 400,000 people, which, you know, isn't great, but for them it's good. I mean, they've been around 300,000. So this was this stupid plot line in their. In the network's mind, because they're. All they do is look at these ratings, is like, ah, see, it's good now we fixed it with that stupid prank storyline.

Ronnie Karam (38:14)

Yeah. Because I think that the show, the show is now going into like, like big hate. Watch Territory where people are like, I'm so mad about that prank. I just want to watch it again and get mad about something else. So now they're talking about this, but it is kind of fucked up what Aaron did, because Aaron is framing, you know, Brynn in this situation. So then ultimately they're all upset. And then Uba's like, okay, what? I have to go to a picnic. Goodbye, everyone. And then she, like, slides down a blow job. There's like a mouth. It's like, yeah, now you can know what it's like to be seaman during a blowjob. And you're just like. And she's like. And then she's, like, screaming for a while. She's like, it just keeps going.

Ben Mandelker (38:51)

And then you just hear her crash.

Ronnie Karam (38:53)

She, like, winds up on the 6 train.

Ben Mandelker (38:57)

Then we go to Jess Po, and he's bringing bowls of snacks to the table. And she's like, what is this, a freaking fiesta? This is supposed to be therapy. Why don't you just get a Corona? And. And he's like, we should have tacos. It's from. We're talking to someone in Mexico.

Ronnie Karam (39:13)

It's. It's. She's like, I'm not eating on this call. And he's like, well, we'll all. We're just gonna have some chips and salsa. Which, by the way, it's not appropriate to be snacking while you're talking to a therapist.

Ben Mandelker (39:24)

So I'm much heavy now.

Ronnie Karam (39:28)

Jess is like, okay. Hi, Joe. Thank you for your patience with us. So they're talking to this therapist about this whole thing and talking about how Poet is always defers to. It's time to say certain hard truths, which is, you know, we all love Pav last season because Poet's poet and does his little food things. It's so amusing. I think he's, like, a little too aware of how much we all loved him. And he's trying to, like, lean into this character. And I think what's happening is he's just being a dick. Because, like, you're in therapy right now, and, like, you have a professional on the phone. You're eating chips and salsa, and everything is always like a little joke, like the wink, wink. It's like, okay, we get it, Pavit. Just let us love you the way we loved you last season.

Ben Mandelker (40:10)

I think people. Sometimes people are just like that, you know? And then you're married to Jaisal, who's constantly just going and going until she gets what she wants. It's like, do you want children Nope. Do you want him now? Nope. Do you want him now? No. Can I have another kid? Nope. I'm gonna get a therapist. Okay, therapist. You tell them, do you want a kid? Nope. I still don't. Why don't you want a kid? I told you, I don't. And then the therapist is like, why don't you want a kid? Shouldn't you all want kids to have a kid? But then it turns out the puppet kind of does want a kid, because then he admits that he was 99% against kids, but that 1%'s there. And then the doctor's like, oh, great, so there's 1%. And he's like, yeah, so maybe we can have another kid. I was like, oh, God. So this is just your game. You just say no multiple times until someone talks you into it. That kid's gonna feel very, very lucky when they watch this later.

Ronnie Karam (40:59)

Yeah. Jessel, beware of a passive aggressive chip because we saw it happen with Shannon Bedor and the fact that they're doing this therapy, and she's like, you know, we're just so busy with kids and with work, and it's just like, sometimes you sort of forget. Yeah, just. I'm sorry. Pavit's having a salsa party in honor of you being in Mexico City. She literally said that. That sounds like something we would say. She said said it. Fried chicken committee having a fiesta today. Congratulations. You just learned about mezcal, courtesy of Erin.

Ben Mandelker (41:35)

Yeah. So then Povit's like, well, if I had to bet money, will we have a baby girl next year? I don't bet many, but I will bet a flouta. We'll see.

Ronnie Karam (41:45)

So, by the way, by the way, also, his reasoning for not having a third child is not because, like, this is good, actually.

Ben Mandelker (41:52)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (41:52)

It's not like, oh, hey, you know, I just. I only want to have two children. Like, a lot of work. Whatever. He's like, no. When we travel right now, we're four people. That's one hotel room. Five. Five. Five. Three kids. Now you're at five. That's two hotel rooms. That's expensive.

Ben Mandelker (42:06)

I was like, okay, Miles worked differently. Miles worked differently. Literally said, miles worked differently with five. That's why I don't think he's even leaning into it. I think that's just who he is.

Ronnie Karam (42:20)

And it's like, it's one thing to say, look, we just don't have the resources to support her three children. And we don't have the room. We don't. We don't have the bandwidth, whatever. But he's like, no, my miles long. I don't think we can do it.

Ben Mandelker (42:31)

He's more worried about the miles. All right, so now we get the Bryn trying out a two year old. So Luca comes over. You can't. Oh no, Luca's a toddler. And so what's the other guy's name? I forget. Gideon comes over.

Ronnie Karam (42:46)

Gideon.

Ben Mandelker (42:47)

Yeah. And so Bryn's like, oh my God, can we hide from Gideon and Whitney? You can't see us. Yes, hiding.

Ronnie Karam (42:57)

I will say. I mean Brin is really good with kids.

Ben Mandelker (43:00)

I like really just like one. She talks to them. She was already talking to them in the kid voice.

Ronnie Karam (43:12)

So he comes over and he's like, oh, I thought we were doing a wine tasting today, but we're. We're babysitting. That. That's. That's so fun. So glad I canceled my return trip to London for this. Okay, well, okay, let me pour. Open. Let me pour some, some of this $1,000 Dom Perignon that Heather de Bro gave me. I'm going pour to my glass. Oh, you put your Tonka truck in it. Thank you. All your Hot Wheels.

Ben Mandelker (43:37)

That's.

Ronnie Karam (43:38)

I love that in my expensive champagne. So lovely. Glad I came over today. Thank you so much.

Ben Mandelker (43:44)

Well, I haven't talked to Gideon much about whether or not he wants gins, but he didn't when we were together, he just didn't want them. He said if you want to, we will. But he's like, I'm good with that kids because he likes his life, you know, but he's never going to be like gung ho on the kid thing. But he's really rich, so I'm gonna have a kid with him. So.

Ronnie Karam (44:02)

So I was just like thinking like maybe like I've got some eggs and.

Ben Mandelker (44:08)

Like maybe we could like co parent like.

Ronnie Karam (44:12)

And she's like, oh, a man. I would love that because I'm on television. Just I. I just have to. Let me just think about how I will tell my mother and let me just. Let me just imagine it. Okay. And yes, it will be awful. Great. Got it. Yeah. Can't wait to do this.

Ben Mandelker (44:33)

God, it's fucking.

Ronnie Karam (44:37)

I don't think he's. He says that he be down to do it, but I don't think he is. I think he's.

Ben Mandelker (44:44)

I mean it's just such a desperate ploy. It's like, okay, I dumped you, not going to date you anymore, but you are still rich. So I'd love you to be the father of my children. You want to. It's so offensive. I mean, this guy's just such a goofball. He's like, maybe I have a chat still. And please trim your chest if you're going to do your open shirt like that. Gideon, you seem like a fairly nice person, but you're. You're sad.

Ronnie Karam (45:07)

It was a lot day.

Ben Mandelker (45:08)

You're sad.

Ronnie Karam (45:08)

There's a lot. There's a lot of hair going on.

Ben Mandelker (45:11)

That one Gideon, scene of sitting in that fancy car. And then he's like, he's the one that got away. And then he never calls back. You know, it's like, you had your chance. I'm a billionaire. Goodbye. But this whole, like, still showing up and, like, I don't know. I feel bad for Gideon. What's wrong with Gideon?

Ronnie Karam (45:26)

I don't know. It looks like he went through something since last season. I feel like he's, like, 10 years older. His hair is big and poofy.

Ben Mandelker (45:31)

A drying cycle. He looks like he was left in the dryer for too long. I know.

Ronnie Karam (45:36)

I was like, oh, God. Someone check in on Gideon. So now we go to a picnic in Central Park. This is uba. Uba's picnic. The perfect picnic. Because Wendy the party planner was like, I've got a great idea for you. We're gonna make you the perfect picnic. So here it is. The perfect picnic has arrived. And there are tons and tons of little. Little pigeons that don't appear to be leaking, which is great.

Ben Mandelker (46:00)

Yeah, Pigeons are the theme of the season. So then they have little wooden pigeons. And then Uba's like, oh, my God. I've decided to invite these girls to show them how to be classy. So, you know, we get. This is New York. So everybody arrives, and it's five minutes of, oh, my God. You look amazing. What are you wearing? Oh, my God. You look so pretty. Oh, my God. You are still wearing clothes right now. Oh, my God. Everybody looks like they're wearing clothes right now.

Ronnie Karam (46:28)

Are you wearing clothes?

Ben Mandelker (46:29)

Oh, my God, you're wearing so many clothes. What are you wearing?

Ronnie Karam (46:36)

So Bran is like, yeah, I was, like, talking to my brother last night. I was telling him that, like, I made up with you. Sorry. And he's like, good. I love Sigh. So Sai and Brynn are just, like, fine now. Which I don't know where that happened because I thought that they were, like, had, like, a fake piece or a fake truce, but apparently it's a truce juice now. So that's. That's resolved, I guess so. S like, yeah. So, like, I was thinking about that prank. And I was like, that's like, when we got home that day from dodgeball, this is like me talking about Rebecca. Like, I was like, hey, that line was awesome. It was so stressed out. And then she wrote back he. Which, by the way, is funny because Rebecca would totally write back. He goes, yeah, you know, that's all she writes. It's like, hey, hey, Becky. So we need. We need to know, like, for Q4, what are your intentions for the. For the line? Okay, we need you. We need you to answer Becky. Okay, Seriously emoji he.

Ben Mandelker (47:39)

So she's like. I said, bryn KN do about the prank, right? And she said, no, she didn't. Only Raquel and Bryn's like, so Aaron literally just sat there and told her that Bryn didn't know. And she's like, she set you up says that. And so UBA's like, we should take all these pigeons and just leave one the table. And Bryn's like, it's frustrating dealing with Aaron when she doesn't remember the shit she does. She forgets she told me about. Sigh. She forgets saying, jenna's broke now. I really. I just don't really understand what she's doing or she's trying to do or, like, what it's. Nothing adds up. You're both compulsive liars and you're getting caught on it and trying to point fingers at each other and start plots that are stupid. Both of you just get lives. Just leave. Lead lives that we want to watch. Please, please.

Ronnie Karam (48:26)

So Jenna walks up and Bren is like, okay, fun news. I got set up. Not on a hot day, but with a hot guy. Aaron set me up. And she's like, what do you mean? Is anyone going to ask me about my black eye, by the way? And it was like, there's a difference between set up and framed. And she. I got the framed.

Ben Mandelker (48:46)

So she tells her the story. When Aaron told me about the prank, we were at lunch. And after that lunch, Aaron and I went and had a drink. And I was like, dude, no way. And she's like, no, it's not true. And she said, aaron told me that she's pregnant. Of course it's Gavin's, but she wanted to do this prank on everyone. So I was like, oh, my God, let me in on the prank. And that's why it dodgeball. I was like, hey, hoes. And winking and making all the jokes and being like, should we take a pregnancy test?

Ronnie Karam (49:13)

Jenna's like, are you kidding me? And Bryn's like, yeah, just like crazy. Like why would you just being like, oh, no, no, dude, she knew. And Jenna's like, of course. I mean, Aaron, what the. And Uber's like, so if they couldn't find a pigeon, then we would be looking for the pigeon. Right, but she's the pigeon.

Ben Mandelker (49:32)

Pigeon, pigeon, pigeon, everywhere pigeon.

Ronnie Karam (49:35)

And then in walks Aaron, not realizing that everyone's talking about her. And then we got the mid season trailer which looked all right. Well, the mid season trailer looked like it looked like nothing interesting happens until apparently the last night of Puerto Rico. So who knows when that's to be, but that's when the big fight happens that we. Yeah, we hope is a fight and not another prank.

Ben Mandelker (49:54)

Yeah. So we'll see on episode, I guess. 16. Did they get a 16 episode season?

Ronnie Karam (50:00)

Oh, God. What are you making a 12 episode season? Please. 12 episodes.

Ben Mandelker (50:03)

What are you guys doing over there? All right, everybody, thanks so much for being here. Probably one of our shortest recaps of all time, but it was still fun. I had a good time doing it. Hope you have fun listening to it. We will talk to you tomorrow for Real Housewives of Soul Salt Lake City. Everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We'll talk to you next time.

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Have you ever wondered who created that.

Ben Mandelker (53:45)

Bottle of Sriracha that's living in your fridge?

Ronnie Karam (53:47)

Or why nearly every house in America has at least one game of Monopoly?

Ben Mandelker (53:51)

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Ronnie Karam (53:54)

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Ben Mandelker (54:00)

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