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To start listening, download the Amazon Music app for free or go to Amazon.com adfreepodcast that's Amazon.com ad free podcast to catch up on the latest episodes without the ads. Oh, and welcome to Watch what Crap ins a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker joining me today. Ronnie Karam. Hey Ronnie, how are you?
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Ronnie Karam
Well hello, how are you?
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Ben Mandelker
You know, I'm doing great, thanks. Just having a lovely day here.
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Ronnie Karam
Me too.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, yeah. Just you know, it's Thursday. Salt Lake City was last night, which we're about to talk about. By the way, is my audio out of sync on your end? Like, I feel like I'm seeing a lag with my lips. Okay, good. As long as. As long as my lips look good to you, then we will proceed onwards because so good.
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Ronnie Karam
Looks so good. Yes, I've been out of sync. I've been a technical disaster. So I'm sorry to the listeners. You know, what's going on over here? Construction. Construction disaster. We're both reconfiguring our studio spaces to be more professional, and it's turned into a cluster of a week of shows. So when you're watching on video and I'm out of sync, that's why I'm fucking things up. But hopefully today we've got it all fixed. We'll see. All you need to do is go to Guitar center and hand them sacks of money and then suddenly things start working again. So, you know, thanks, Guitar Center.
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Ben Mandelker
That's actually really good. That's really good to note because I'm like, where do you get things like. Things like audio video stuff these days? Now that Radio Shack is gone and so is fries? Like, where does one go?
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Ronnie Karam
Center go to Audio Visual. They're so good there. They know their over there. They'll help you. Now, be careful because you know they're always going to try and, like, overcharge you on the. Like, you. You want that. You want that insurance. Yeah. And like, they're real hard sellers with that. And they're like art. They're like old hardcore rockers, you know, who are working there. The chick who waits on me is. I call her Juliet because she looks just like Juliet Lewis, but she's like bleach blonde. Hey, honey, you bringing that back? What? What's wrong with that? Like, she. She kind of like gets mad if you bring something back. I'm like, it's too big. I told you it was going to be too big. Okay, it's not too big. It's a normal size. Like, she'll fight with you. I love them over there. I think they're great. Can you tell I need them a lot? I'm like, please help me, Julia Lewis.
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Ben Mandelker
She's like, oh, come on. When I was in the Runaways, we used things that were twice this size, and it was fine. Joan Jet never had an issue.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, well, as usual, this is on Crapons, on demand, on video, hopefully in sync and everywhere else. You get your podcast. Also Patreon bonus episodes. Super fun. It's our Grumpy Old man episode up right now. That's where we just are grumpy old bitches and complain about shit that you young people are doing. And that was super fun to do. And also a big, huge announcement thank you to the CMA Awards that were on last night. Wow. I've never watched that. Have you ever seen that?
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Ben Mandelker
No. What happened?
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Ronnie Karam
A whole other world. I don't know. It's just so cool. It's like going to Universal Studios, you know, when you're, like, immersed in a different world, it's like Mario World. You're like, oh, my God, everything's a mushroom. And this was just like a whole different world. And I was watching it with my friend and one of the guys. Well, first of all, it was some guy named Jelly Roll up there singing.
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Ben Mandelker
This was literally Kim Zolciak's favorite.
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Ronnie Karam
This guy was singing, and some other guy. His. He was singing with some other guy with a goatee that looked like the thing you measure your feet in with that Payless. I don't what was going on with him, but if you can get that visual into your head.
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Ben Mandelker
Was it Teddy Swims?
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Ronnie Karam
I don't know. I hope so.
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Ben Mandelker
There's like, this whole. Yeah, okay, go.
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Ronnie Karam
Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. There's a whole lot.
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Ben Mandelker
No, I was gonna say there's like, this whole generation now of, like, these people, like, Jelly Roll and Teddy Swims and this other guy, like, Pizza Pan or something. And they all kind of look the same. They're kind of, like, tatted up and just look crazy.
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Ronnie Karam
Anyway, he's not tatted up. Like, yeah, Jelly Roll is like, been to prison. Been to prison. You know, that's all I heard for the first few lyrics. I had to, like, separate myself. But, yeah, he was. He. Heavily, like, into prison art on his face. But, yeah, that guy. And then there was, like, he was an older guy singing with him, but they were singing some gospel song, which, you know, I grew up gospel. It wasn't that sometimes, but it was not that crazy to me to hear this stuff. But just sitting with my friend who's Jewish, you know, my best friend, she's like, what the fuck is this? Because it was God's. It's just white people to see if white people waving their hand in the air. And this song. Let me just tell you, this song was like. I knew a man, he lost his wife in an accident, then he lost his baby in a fire. And then he lost his kid in the woods. But he. I was like, what happened to this poor guy? I mean, by the End of the song. They had this poor guy on set, on fire, thrown down a mountain, drowned, and come back to life again. I was like, what is going on in country music? This is the saddest shit I've ever heard. And then they would just pan out at the audience and everybody was, like, waving their hands in there and sobbing. And then someone else won an award, and it was some band. I don't know who they are. And this guy was like, well, guys, you know what? Country music is good for community. And that's what we need when this country is so weird. I mean, look out your window. It is weird out there. So thank you for being. And I looked at my friend, I said, this is one of the only awards show on television where they're talking about us. Because every other award show, we're like, guys, stay together. It's weird out there. Meaning them, you know? And it was just interest seeing that because I'd never watched it. And it was pretty good, I have to say. I mean, we didn't watch the whole thing. We watched 10 minutes. But I was like, I get it. I mean, I can get why people are into that sort of stuff. I mean, it's nice to just stand in a group and cry about some imaginary guy who literally lost everything and was burned alive by the end, you know?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So today we're talking about the real house. What's the Salt Lake City?
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Ronnie Karam
Sorry I had to tell you. That was crazy.
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Ben Mandelker
No, when you. When you started that story up. Because of course, this is where my mind goes. I was like, when you said thank you so much to the CMAs, I thought you were going to say, did the CMAs mention watch rock Rapids? I was like, someone get up there. Receive an award?
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Ronnie Karam
No. This changed my life then.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, hey, that's worthwhile with your day.
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Ronnie Karam
Go on with your day. Just go on like everything's normal and nothing's changed in the world.
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Ben Mandelker
No. Well, your story. Your story is bravo adjacent because Kim Zolciak went to a Jelly Roll concert over the weekend and she went with Chet Hanks and it made tmz because she probably sent it in. Cuz who really cares that Kim Ziak went and saw Jelly Roll? But apparently that's news. It's news enough that I'm repeating it here. I just think it's the funniest thing. Kim Ziak seeing an artist named Jelly Roll. Like, if you told me when Kim Ziak showed up on our TVs in 2009 or whatever, and you Said one day she's going to go to a concert for someone named Jelly Roll. I'd be like, absolutely. She will. She will definitely be at a jelly roll concert.
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Ronnie Karam
I mean, who wouldn't? That's like, the best name for a. I'm going to go. I'm going to become an artist and name myself Peanut M and M. Like, who's not going to come? That's, like, delicious.
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Ben Mandelker
I was sort of in the market for a jelly roll recently. I was like, jelly roll curious. And then I decided, you know what? I don't need a jelly roll.
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Ronnie Karam
That's.
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Ben Mandelker
I don't need it.
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Ronnie Karam
All right, so Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, we open at Mary's house with a wacky voiceover. There's a little fairy tale music going on, and someone's like, meet Mary Go Lightly. Mary's like, oh, my gosh. She's setting up. Walking down the stairs very carefully in gigantic shoes, like platform slippers, I think. Is that what they were?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, they were just. Just classic Mary Cosby things. And this narrator. They're trying to make it seem like a. Like, this is almost like Down Abbey. Or maybe it was from Breakfast in Tiffany's. I've never seen Breakfast at Tiffany's, so I don't know if there was a narrator in Breakfast at Tiffany's. And this is, like, actually very true to the movie. Have you ever seen Breakfast at Tiffany's?
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Ronnie Karam
I have. I don't remember. I don't think there was a narrator. No.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, they have a narrative.
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Ronnie Karam
When I saw it was in gay college.
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Ben Mandelker
So I'm ready for the sequel. Lunch at Tiffany's. Heyo. So Never gets there.
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Ronnie Karam
She's a Never. She'll leave. That's the thing with Mary Go Lightly. Her ass is out of there. And that's why I was so surprised when Mary was so pissed by the end, when Meredith left. Spoiler alert. Because that's how Breakfast at Tiffany's ends. So I was, like, actually poetic. Yeah. Holly Go Lightly gets the fuck out of there. She's not going to commit. She's a who? She's a who? I think she's like, is that the name of girl or something?
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Ben Mandelker
Is that the name of. I know so little about this movie. Is that the name of her character? Holly Go Lightly?
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, Holly Go Lightly. And she did. She left lightly. And you're like, where'd she go? And she's probably at work, you know.
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Ben Mandelker
And then they played Moon river afterwards.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah, okay.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, I'm learning. I. I actually do want to see this movie because it's such a pop culture reference all the time. And I. I feel a little sad that I came into this episode with all these bangs clipped onto people's hair without being able to.
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Ronnie Karam
I'm gonna do that. I want to have a Holly go lightly party to clip bangs on my head. It looks so cute.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it was. It was fun. So, yeah, we have this narrator who's saying, like, she's. He's. She's a lady of exquisite taste. And Mary's like, I know that's not the decor. My house. Oh, Lord, not the decoration. Cuz she has all these people setting up this party for her, and she's basically just like, just scolding them for everything that they're doing.
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Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And she appreciates the finer things in life. A lady who loves to entertain. And then I want to put a picture of Audrey Pepper over there, perfecting every detail for a guest. Could you. Those. You know, the fire things. Turn those. Turn those off. I don't like fire things. Like candles. What is she talking about? Where are the fire things?
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Ben Mandelker
I. I don't know what the fire things are in Mary's house. I'm imagining, like, big hoops of fire that she just bought. She was like, yeah, I like them.
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Ronnie Karam
She's just got people from her church who haven't tithed. Just standing in the middle, you know, just on a pier in the middle, a pyre just ready to get burnt.
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Ben Mandelker
So then the narrator's like, but unfortunately, not everything is going well with the friends. So then we see, you know, basically previously as. And then when those end, it's will Mary's social gathering bring the group together or will she get burned by the fire things? Hepburns get it. Like Audrey Hepburn. Oh, never mind. Find out at breakfast at Mary's.
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Ronnie Karam
So now we do like, oh, my gosh, it's Salt Lake City. Huh?
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Ben Mandelker
Huh?
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Ronnie Karam
And Whitney and her son are playing soccer. Her son's name is Brooks.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Isn't that funny?
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Ronnie Karam
Her son was named Brooks until I read it in the notes right now. Who knew?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. Yeah.
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Ronnie Karam
Way to raise a criminal. That's giving your child criminal energy right there. Because Brooks from real Housewives of O.C. don't give your children the same numerology as Brooks from the OC what's wrong with you?
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Ben Mandelker
Or instead of a criminal, maybe a sweatsuit maven, so it could go either way. Or maybe all the above.
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Ronnie Karam
That's true, but Brooks Marks, I think, was born after that. How old is this Brooks?
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Ben Mandelker
I don't know how old that Brooks is, but I don't want you to bring up my child, my toddler, on your podcast.
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Ronnie Karam
How dare you speak about my toddler. Okay, so then we go to a place called Phoenix Vine. Don't go to a place called Phoenix for your plants. That place is a desert with the name today on this show.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. And it's Angie and Electra and they're potting plants. And Electra's like, dad, put truffle sauce on my salad yester. Okay, two comments. I actually, I enjoy. I enjoy truffle oil. I know, like, truffle oil is now a thing that people go like truffle oil. Disgusting. I'm looking at you, Gail Simmons, who shamed it on Top Chef once. So I enjoy my truffle oil, but that being said, it does not belong on a salad. I think Electra has a. Has a full on case right here.
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Ronnie Karam
For a child, you know, like a child. I mean, a teenager. But she's like, no teenager wants a truffle sauce on their salad, you know? And I feel like that's also so something that her dad would do, you know what I mean? Because he's just like, so gay coded. Even though he's not gay, like, he still, like, carries Louis Vuitton and, you know, he does, like all the gay things even though he's a straight guy. And I feel like that is so gay. Like, my child will understand truffle oil.
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Ben Mandelker
Drink it. She will be sophisticated.
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Ronnie Karam
Eat your goddamn salad.
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Ben Mandelker
Also, I love that I remember watching.
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Ronnie Karam
Audrey Hepburn with the boys. If you don't.
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Ben Mandelker
I also love that Elektra held onto this for a day. She was like, I'm going to bring this up on camera. I want to make sure there's a, there's a public record of what happened.
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Ronnie Karam
To me because I'm waiting until I get my mother alone on camera. No one can interrupt me and I can just get my complaints out there. What are your complaints? Dad made me eat truffle oil on my.
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Ben Mandelker
Well, Mom, I see how you act when you tell dad, listen, we can't talk about this until the cameras are here. So guess what? Now it's my time. Here's what I've got to tell you about truffle sauce in my goddamn ranch dressing.
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Ronnie Karam
I'm divorcing dad.
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Ben Mandelker
So Angie's like, oh, is that what I could smell in the house? See what happens when I'm not there to manage? She's like, yeah, you're kind of a helicopter mom. She's like, they don't have helicopters in ancient Greece. So use a better term.
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Ronnie Karam
I'm a Greek copter, mom. Sorry. I splattered yogurt and cucumber everywhere. I'm just trying to make sure my daughter is safe.
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Ben Mandelker
You just hear the theme song to mash, but played with like the. That Greek mandolin kind of thing.
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Ronnie Karam
So she's like, give me some examples of what makes me a helicopter mom. And she's like, this conversation, for example. And then we see a flashback to the last few minutes and just Angie peppering her with questions. How is school? Hey, do you like this black and white one? Hey, I want to cook for you. Hey, should we talk about your laundry a little bit?
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Ben Mandelker
So why do you lock your door? For some reason I thought it was so funny that she was like, should we talk about your laundry a little bit? Like it was a performance review.
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Ronnie Karam
Okay, so now laundry.
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Ben Mandelker
Electra. Should we talk about this? I think we should talk about this.
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Ronnie Karam
But I also like, why do you lock your door? Because dad's always trying to fucking barge in with truffle oil. Why do you think? Keep him out of my room.
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Ben Mandelker
I need to keep the fresh air in my room. Okay. You smelled. It smelled so rancid, you didn't even know what it was. You probably. Raccoon died in our kitchen. It was truffle oil, mother.
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Ronnie Karam
So then Andrew's like, but can you imagine if I didn't helicopter though? What would you think would be. I would think. What do you think you would be thinking if I wasn't helicoptering? And Electra just goes that I was free.
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Ben Mandelker
Oh, okay. Relax, Persephone. So Angie is like, wow. Oh my God. So then we got to a fun little crossover moment. Kimo Sabi. The Kimo Sabi, I'm assuming of. I don't know why I'm assuming it's a park city, but the point is that we have our Utah version of Kimasabi. Who knew that Kim Wasabi existed outside of Aspen? Probably a lot of people, but not me, so. It's Lisa. Hi. I love your turquoise jewelry. Can I touch? I love that. That's so good. How much is this one? Is it $60,000? Cuz that's one that I lost on Pump Springs once. Yeah, yeah. I also lost the $5 thing in Milwaukee, but that was on purpose.
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Ronnie Karam
The guy's like, these are fun. So everything here is vintage turquoise. Oh, off with that. Do you have any new turquoise? I want your old ass turquoise. Does turquoise get better as it's old? No. Go Go mind me. You guys charged me million dollars for some turquoise. Go get some fresh turquoise, please.
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Ben Mandelker
I think turquoise is, like, inherently vintage. It's like an old rock that was like, shaped by millennia of millennias.
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Ronnie Karam
So go dig it up fresh. Don't just sell to somebody else's.
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Ben Mandelker
We want hot, fresh turquoise deals, okay? Amazon's Black Friday week started this morning, and I want some fresh Amazon prime turquoise.
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Ronnie Karam
Sir, this is not the El Paso casino where I will accept your just any old turquoise, okay? This is Kimo Sabe. Get me fresh.
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Ben Mandelker
We want that fresh, fresh turquoise. So then Heather walks in and she's like, I thought Kimo Sabi was a sushi bar.
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Ronnie Karam
And good God, you are trying so hard. As if you don't watch every single episode of Housewives.
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Ben Mandelker
I know.
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Ronnie Karam
That was a huge plot on Beverly Hills Girl. Please, it's not funny. And we, we, we see you.
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah. So she's like, I don't know what I was thinking. Just Chemo sounded Japanese, and Sabe just thought it was like a plan wasabe. So I thought like sushi bar. I'm like, listen, even if this hat store never existed, kimosabe is like something we've learned from the Lone Ranger. Like, it's. It's been around that phrase for like decades now. It's as old as retro turquoise at this point.
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Ronnie Karam
Chemo Sabi is actually a horse? I think so. Let's see. Oh, it's a term. It's a fictional term in a Lone Ranger radio program and television show. Kimo sabi is a friendly term used by the Lone Rangers, Native American companion Tonto to refer to the Lone Ranger. Oh, so he calls him. Oh, so it's like saying, hey, friend. Yeah, I thought it was a horse. That's cute. I like it. I'm sure there are learn something every day, but at least I didn't think it was sushi.
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Ben Mandelker
Sean walks in next, he's like, I heard there's a sushi restaurant here. You guys need some truffle oil.
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Ronnie Karam
So Lisa's like, oh, my God, how cute you are. Heather's like, regardless, I've been wanting to eat all day, and now I'm starving and I'm surrounded by hats.
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Ben Mandelker
Cue the Amy Grant song hats. Why do I gotta wear so many damn hats?
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Ronnie Karam
Oh, my gosh. Is this a secret passageway? This is amazing. I love secret passageways. I didn't even have any idea that this was a secret passageway. I thought it was a bookshelf. Oh, my God. Just go in and do your scene for Christ's sake, cut the tape. Just cut the tape and push her into the room.
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Ben Mandelker
Mother, are you drunk? Yes. I got wasted in the speakeasy in the back of the hat store. I wonder if they were carrying Kathy Hilton's vodka or tequila.
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Ronnie Karam
I know, right? What was that tequila called? Do you remember?
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Ben Mandelker
It wasn't.
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Ronnie Karam
It was Soul818. Soul?
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Ben Mandelker
Yeah, something like Villa Soul or Del Sol or. Or, I don't know.
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Ronnie Karam
Give me your soul. Lisa's like, you know what? I love everything. I love everything. But also a spicy margarita and others like, yeah, me too. I just love the whole vibe. This is crazy. We're having a drink at a bookshelf.
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Ben Mandelker
I. I do believe that Lisa was not expecting this, because if Lisa knew that this is what they would be doing, she would have called ahead and stocked their bar with Vita tequila. And she was. She would have done the whole, I'll do a Vita spicy, spicy margarita, thank you. Like she does.
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Ronnie Karam
I'm surprised that she didn't at least pretend and say, I have to feed a spicy margarita and pretend that they carried it. Because, you know, she probably in her scene, she does that when she goes to Wendy's. I'll do a baked potato and a frosty with Vita tequila in it.
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Ben Mandelker
Thank you, Wend.
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Ben Mandelker
So the bartender is like hey, so you know what this is right here on my hat? And Lee's like wha? And Heather's like, is it a rattlesnake? Is it sushi? Is it? Finally some chopsticks. When are we gonna get a salmon roll around here?
- [25:48]
Ronnie Karam
Spaceships? Bowling balls. I've never seen any of this before.
- [25:52]
Ben Mandelker
Whitney pops her head and it's my vagina and you exploited it for your hat.
- [25:58]
Ronnie Karam
But no, it's not. It's a raccoon penis. You know what humans? This is. We deserve what we get. I'm saying that to all humans, even the humans who don't go Cut off raccoon penises and turn them into hat things. Accoutrement. Still, we're supporting it by not we jailing people who do this. Who does that? That's horrible. What do you think raccoons feel like? And you know what happened to me last night? I heard noise. I thought someone on my house. And I was like, that's it. I'm going to die. And it was a raccoon in the. In the trash behind. I opened the window. I said, you get the out of here. And it ran, but then it came back and just looked at me like, you want to with me? And for a second I was like, this is why someone took your penis and put it on a hat. Little cuz I just watched that episode.
- [26:40]
Ben Mandelker
You're like, this is why your penis is gone.
- [26:43]
Ronnie Karam
But then instead of throwing stuff at him and going out there with a baseball bat to scare him, you know, I would never hit him. I'm too. I'm too terrified. But instead I was like, you know what? Raccoons go through a lot in this country, and people cut off their penises and put them on really expensive hats, and he deserves a break. I was like, you go, can you get that old burrito at the bottom of that trash bag?
- [27:03]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I have. I have. I feel like I have such a complicated relationship with raccoons because I feel like they are so cute and I love how smart they are. Like, I really respect how smart they are, but I hate that. Like, I believe that all of them are rabid and could kill me.
- [27:19]
Ronnie Karam
They probably are. But, you know, you need this one of those things. Like, you know, you just need to respect them from a distance. Like, I don't know, what are things you have to respect from? I don't know, you have to respect.
- [27:30]
Ben Mandelker
What is it, a volcano?
- [27:33]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, you can. You can think it's.
- [27:37]
Ben Mandelker
They're like little rabbit inside of it, you know?
- [27:40]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah.
- [27:42]
Ben Mandelker
Either way, I think your point is a really strong one, which is who is the crazy fuck who killed a raccoon and then went back to chop off its dick? It's not only to chop it off, but like, you like did all the things to it, like to petrify it. And then it's like. And. And guess what? Now someone's gonna write in saying, actually this is like an indigenous tradition and you guys are being culturally incentive. It's gonna be the whole thing.
- [28:07]
Ronnie Karam
If that's the case, and just put out an apb and instead of me calling someone a monster, let's just Say this. Let's stop doing this, everybody. Okay? Let's stop.
- [28:16]
Ben Mandelker
Cross the board, a global movement. No more.
- [28:21]
Ronnie Karam
No more whoever does it. I'm not judging you, okay? Take back the judgment because maybe it's culturally sensitive and I'm a good person. Look, why am I the bad person for not wanting raccoon penises to be put on hats? I'm not going to accept that. No. Stop putting fucking raccoons. That's it. Just stop it.
- [28:38]
Ben Mandelker
Ronnie, how are you enjoying your first few minutes of cancellation?
- [28:43]
Ronnie Karam
Could you imagine? That's what finally gets me.
- [28:45]
Ben Mandelker
Rob Schneider's gonna be like, see, you can't even joke about cutting off raccoon penises anymore. Am I right?
- [28:51]
Ronnie Karam
I'm like, I give you guys chance, like multiple chances every day to cancel me, and this is what you get me on. Raccoon dick on hats. Come on. Yeah, it is going to be. You know, you not only want to bring that into life, let's just. Let's just move on. I'm just.
- [29:03]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it's kind of a funny that.
- [29:04]
Ronnie Karam
Everybody who's mad at me right now, now I'm.
- [29:07]
Ben Mandelker
But you know who I'm not pissed at, you know, I'm happy for is that bartender, because I feel like she was probably standing behind that bar for like 20 years. She was like a robot that came to life. And she was like, you get to become a real woman the day that someone finally asks you about your raccoon penis on the hat. So although she was the one who was like, you want to know what this is? But, like, I don't know. She sort of reminded me of, like, hall of Presidents, like you. Or like Five Nights at Freddy. You walk in, the robot turns on like, this is a raccoon penis. Here is your cocktail.
- [29:38]
Ronnie Karam
What if someone kisses the raccoon penis and it turns into a full fledged Prince Raccoon penis? Even weirder.
- [29:45]
Ben Mandelker
That would be a very interesting storyteller fairy tale, because then people would be like, you know, kissed. Instead of saying, I kiss a lot of frogs before I met you, be like, I kissed a lot of raccoon penises before I met you.
- [29:58]
Ronnie Karam
Listen, it's no weirder than just killing raccoon, taking his penis and putting him on a hat. You know what I mean? And yes, I said it, and I'm standing by it. Okay, so then now they're gossiping, right? So Lisa's like, like, I missed you. I missed you on this trip. Like, I didn't like being there without you. I really did it. It Was so uncomfortable. And Heather's like, I've just. I've never felt excluded like that. That was so crazy. Except when I got kicked out of the Mormon church, girl.
- [30:28]
Ben Mandelker
Just that. Oh, God, not even when I wore a bolero jacket to a wedding did I feel excluded.
- [30:36]
Ronnie Karam
They welcomed, literally wrote two books about being kicked out of the Mormon church. And she's like, I've never felt more excluded than not being invited to Palm Springs.
- [30:46]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it was like super bad for me. I had to fly coach. So, like, I would actually say that it was worse for me. And like, we also heard a totally different story from Bronwon and Heather's like, really? About what? Why I wasn't there. It's like, yeah, why you weren't there. Well, I would love to hear what she said. What was her version? Did she include that boring part of her house tour where I had to look at a whole bunch of Starbucks mugs and pretend like I was interested?
- [31:09]
Ronnie Karam
And I know Lisa's going to be monsterized by everybody, but this is actually what she says. She says, well, when she was saying that she really wishes you were there, like, she invited you into her home, but you said she was venomous and it didn't go well. I think that's a pretty nice way to relay information because she could have been like, she said you were stupid and ugly and probably have knock knee and your elbows have squishy skin and she didn't want you there because that's like a housewives way to say it, you know? But she was like, well, she does like you and she does wish you were there. So at least she's trying, right?
- [31:41]
Ben Mandelker
And we do a cup. We do a flashback to Bronwyn at the pool doing that thing where she's like nodding her head. She's like agreeing with herself as she, like makes her point. She's like, Heather also dropped some bombs in there about I'm true faced and I'm conniving and like one big, really big nod for this one. And I mean, don't like it, right?
- [31:59]
Ronnie Karam
You know, down. This was her nod is like, really? And we've got Meredith, who's like a, you know, a runaway train car kind of a nod. And then we've got her, who's just like a very serious nod. And she does this thing with the Aubrey. Audrey. Aubrey is my niece. Love you, Aubrey. I love you so much, Audrey Hepburn. It's so fitting because Audrey had that little pigtail thing and she does that. She has a pigtail and she she wields it like a sword. I'm telling you. She's just. The way she bobs it at people. I'm like, you go, peggy, you're badass. Little pigtail being taken prisoners. This.
- [32:33]
Ben Mandelker
No. So Lisa's like. And when you laughed, she was, like, in tears. So I feel like it made things, like, really uncomfortable. Especially when I called you from, like, the hot tub that we were in, when everyone in the cast except for you and Britney were in the hot tub. And Mary also. But she didn't care about not being there. So anyway, we're in this, like, beautiful hot tub in this, like, the biggest mansion we ever had on one of these vacations. Are you feeling excluded right now? I'm so sorry. So when Bronwyn came out, she was, like, livid. She was, like, over you.
- [33:02]
Ronnie Karam
And then Heather, of course, twists it to be like, wait a minute. You have to put a pin in that. Not a real pin, a fake pin. Don't put a real pin. That would be silly. Okay, listen, if she's so sad about it, if she's mad that you called me, then why would she cry that I wasn't coming and she was so sad that I wasn't there. No. Why are you taking it like that? She got mad that you called me because she was sad that you were an asshole to her and she couldn't bring you on the trip. Why are you retwisting it? To make it sound like Brahma was saying something crazy.
- [33:32]
Ben Mandelker
Lisa's like, it didn't make any sense to me. I was so shocked that Bronwyn had such a big reaction. Heather's like, well, because she's confusing, and nothing she says tracks. And Lisa's like, yeah, okay, we'll get this. Got us. After we leave the hot tub, Bronwyn and Todd are, like, in the bar, and he's like, to yourself. To John. And he's like, hey, John, if Lisa doesn't fix things with Bronwyn, you guys basically need to go. And Heather's like, I can't even believe that.
- [34:02]
Ronnie Karam
Like, go to the. Leave. Leave where? Go to the airport. And she's like, yeah, like, leave. And so Heather's like, oh, my God. What did they want you to do? What did they want you to say to Bronwyn? What did you have to do? Did you have to sing for your literal supper? And Lisa's like, I don't think I could have done anything. Right? I mean, unless I was against you. I'm against her. Okay? But that was A dick move to call Heather when you knew that she was going to be walking right back out. Tommy, I was a dick move, Lisa, come on now.
- [34:31]
Ben Mandelker
So, speaking of Todd, we then go over to Bronwyn and Todd's house, and Todd's just sitting out on the porch. It's like a beautiful day. His arms are crossed like, I don't like these birds. Why are they always pawing?
- [34:43]
Ronnie Karam
It's just the maddest little boy of all time. And she's like, well, it's really getting nice out here, isn't it? It's so nice. Look at how nice it is. And he's like, oh, is it? Do you enjoy global warming?
- [34:55]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, it's getting nicer, but it's still chilly. So let's not cut. Let's just cut the crap and acknowledge it's still kind of cold out here. Thank you very much.
- [35:03]
Ronnie Karam
It's cold even though the seas are rising. Have fun with your tsunami, stupid.
- [35:10]
Ben Mandelker
So she's like, so, Todd, what's going on? She goes, you tell me. Well, you're the one with your arms crossed and looking surly. This is my resting arms cross, surly face.
- [35:19]
Ronnie Karam
I'm holding my nipples. I don't want them hitting my belly button today.
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- [35:24]
Ben Mandelker
Assuming someone told me bomb pilots haven't been on the market for 15 years, I was like, no, what are you talking about? I'm the CEO of that company. They said, no, you're not, Todd. I was like, what?
- [35:34]
Ronnie Karam
I went back into the old office today and I said, boys, I got a plan. They're called Wrist Pilot. They called me old and told me to pick my nipples up off the floor. That's why I'm mad and I gotta hide it.
- [35:48]
Ben Mandelker
I told my cfo, I said, how about this? Why don't they try to sell the Palm Pilots the palm trees? There's a whole market right there. It's branded for them.
- [35:56]
Ronnie Karam
Palm trees don't have a possible thumbs. Well, them cut them all down. Stupid palm trees.
- [36:04]
Ben Mandelker
Is that a raccoon without a penis down there?
- [36:09]
Ronnie Karam
I would do that to a raccoon.
- [36:13]
Ben Mandelker
Todd, I need you to sort of focus. So. Okay, well, I walked away from that trip feeling some kind of way about what's going on between Lisa and I because, well, the 10 years we've been together, I have never seen you act the way you acted this weekend. And I know we've known Lisa and John a long time, but for you to sit in that hot tub and scream back and forth with her is ridiculous.
- [36:35]
Ronnie Karam
And she's like you, you, you thought I was screaming. And he was like, I don't think you were screaming. I was there in the pool. Remember the water started rippling from your voice. Geez, your head was shaking so hard. I thought the hot tub was gonna empty itself.
- [36:50]
Ben Mandelker
And then they show this shot of Todd in the pool. He's got like one of those like sort of like floaty wraps, you know, like those like the, it's like rubbery kind of like thing that you would like lie on to sense. So he's holding it, he's like perpendicular to it it and he has his feet coming out from below it and he's doing this like little Esther Williams kick. He's like, I was expecting him to put his hands up and like do a twist and like pop out of the water and do some like Busby Berkeley kind of stuff.
- [37:19]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Like arms behind the head. He just needed a shower cap for sure.
- [37:23]
Ben Mandelker
I know.
- [37:25]
Ronnie Karam
So then we get a flashback to the infamous, the now infamous. It's my responsibility to work out. But then when it's working out. But when it's you and someone else, my ass better. Right Dick? Like it's my job, Lisa. And so we cut back and he's like, what you think that accomplished nothing? And she's like, I just, Todd, I just. That's how you felt about. It was actually uncomfortable to watch because you know, he is like a controlling gross to me. But that said Jean, it's hard not to enjoy the humor of it because it is funny. I mean, yeah, he's just a grumpy baby. But then I don't like that her reaction is like crying and being like, oh, Todd just to, is everything to me. I was like his AMEX approval. Girl, if this was some, if this was some poor 70 year old fat guy yelling at you about being loud in the pool, he would not be sitting there. Give me a break. If this was a plumber, you would not be sitting there. So let's stop crying like it's Todd's approval. Okay. The AMEX is still going to go through. Just, I don't know, yell less when I think. Todd, what can I tell you?
- [38:32]
Ben Mandelker
I, you know, I, I, I felt like his reactions on the trip, I was, I was not as put off. I thought he was just, I thought he was being grumpy or whatever. But I was more put off by this. Yeah, I was more put off because I, I don't like him saying like you have to act a certain way. And I also don't like him basically. Like she has a job and like this, she's doing her job. And that's basically what she says. I understand why he's like, yeah, like you've never like, I, I, I understand what it's like if you're like, hey, you don't normally act like this. And I think it's kind of like, like, why are you, why are you not sacrificing but like compromising like who you are as a person to, to like sort of embarrass yourself on reality tv? I get that. But also like, you know, that going into it, I'm sorry, reality TV has been around for like 25 years now. So let's not be like naive to the process.
- [39:27]
Ronnie Karam
And this is the other thing. He, he doesn't want her to act like an out of control woman on tv. Right? He's like, they're pigs, basically. I mean, he doesn't say that word, but he's like, they're, he says something like, they're, he's like so low class or he makes some comment like that. But this trip happened a few days ago, sir. And you're totally fine with holding this in and then just reading your wife for filth on camera? Like, why is that classy? Like when you don't want her yelling at women, but you're totally fine with talking down to her. I just think he's a really gross person and I know that a lot of people are amused in the audience and I see, you know, I can see why, like, obviously we make fun of him and I'm very amused by that part of it. But just the, you know, you know, I think she deserves better and I don't like it. I don't care how much fucking money you have, nobody should have to put up with this.
- [40:14]
Ben Mandelker
I don't think he's, and I don't.
- [40:14]
Ronnie Karam
Like you putting up with it just because he does have money. I would like someone to be a little stronger and be like, well, I'm sorry, you don't fucking control me. But the fact that he's so, you know, I just don't like, I don't like the vibes all around, but especially from his, him. I think it's gross.
- [40:27]
Ben Mandelker
Yeah, I, I, I don't find him to be a gross person. But I don't think that this is fair of him to say to her. I think, I think it's a little, I think it's condescending to her. So, but that being said, it's also funny because he's sitting there with his arms crossed, like, it's like big old.
- [40:44]
Ronnie Karam
Baby, you know, like, that's like. It's.
- [40:46]
Ben Mandelker
I just, like, over the past week or two weeks, there's just been so much talk about, like, Todd's a grumpy old man. Whether. Whether you like that about think that's funny or whether you're appalled by it, like, that's the narrative. And then comes fully, like, leading into this image that people are now have them, like. So I'm okay with.
- [41:08]
Ronnie Karam
I'm okay with being mortified and entertained. And that is why I enjoy Housewives. It's a feeling I enjoy. So I'm going to just go ahead and revel in that for now.
- [41:17]
Ben Mandelker
So he's like, yeah, I've never. He's like, well, you know, you did what you thought was right, and I've just never seen you act that way, and frankly, it's not very becoming of you. And she goes, well, you didn't. You don't see why it goes that way. Like, they all yell and they call each other dumb bitches.
- [41:33]
Ronnie Karam
Dumb bitches. You just said it again.
- [41:34]
Ben Mandelker
Why are you doing this? So I'm coming at me, right?
- [41:37]
Ronnie Karam
And I thought this was great how she explained it. She's like, don't you. Don't you get it, Todd? That's what we're doing here. They yell. They call each other dumb bitches. And they scream and yell like. And he's like, well, that's fine. They can do whatever they want. And she goes, well, I don't know how to interact in that scenario, Todd. And he's like, leave with your dignity. Which is kind of deeper, right? Because it's like, is he saying, what are we doing here? Are you really?
- [41:59]
Ben Mandelker
I kind of felt like you say.
- [42:00]
Ronnie Karam
That for your fame. Like, what are we doing fucking, let's go. You know? And then this is where she cries and she's like, touch. Approval means a lot to me.
- [42:08]
Ben Mandelker
It.
- [42:09]
Ronnie Karam
It. It might mean everything to me. So to not only be missing the mark, but to be on a totally different page from the mark is incredibly hard for me to hear. Well, you know what would be easier to hear yourself saying? Oh, go yourself. Okay, you've about five years left on this earth. Let's make it pleasant, shall we?
- [42:29]
Ben Mandelker
Honey, you're not on a different page for me. You just have to press this arrow button and the Palm Pilot scrolls the next one.
- [42:36]
Ronnie Karam
Listen here, Todd.
- [42:37]
Ben Mandelker
Swipe.
- [42:37]
Ronnie Karam
Now listen here, Todd. I'm the one who's going to have my finger on the machine. Okay, In a few years, it's coming close. We could do this the easy way or we could do this the hard way.
- [42:51]
Ben Mandelker
Okay, so Bronwyn's like. But now I'm more like. I'm like, disappointed in myself that you're embarrassed at my behavior. Well, they're sucking you into this. This sewer that they live in of. And they're just gonna. You've just gotta step out of it. I've never seen you react this way. And frankly, it's kind of my thing to say. Frankly? Frankly. In fact, quite frankly, friends shouldn't bring out the worst in you. Your sewer dwelling friends. Baton. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are from the sewer. Well, that's an exception.
- [43:23]
Ronnie Karam
What is with you, elite? You've got Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Just.
- [43:28]
Ben Mandelker
What was the other time? Wait, what was the other time I.
- [43:30]
Ronnie Karam
Mentioned you were talking about a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pizza set on something? I forget what it was.
- [43:38]
Ben Mandelker
I went to a toy drive. I went to a toy drive and I bought a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle pizza set for.
- [43:45]
Ronnie Karam
All right. Marshall Drive.
- [43:46]
Ben Mandelker
That's what it was.
- [43:47]
Ronnie Karam
And you're like, do you think the. And I was like, no. Who wants pizza that you can't eat? But the listeners were like, I would love that. That's an amazing gift, Ben. So, you know, that was.
- [43:56]
Ben Mandelker
Thank you.
- [43:57]
Ronnie Karam
Wrong. Yeah, I was like, well, I'm wrong. I mean, I guess people like pizza they can't eat, but yeah, so he's like. And this. Now this part where Todd's saying, I, like, I kind of get Todd too, you know, And I think that's why people like him, because it's not like he's speaking completely complete gibberish here. He's saying, please, you don't want to be one of these reality star idiots, do you? I thought that your whole. You promised me you weren't going to do this, you know, because I feel like she did. I feel like she's been. Yeah, she's been.
- [44:28]
Ben Mandelker
I think that's what it was.
- [44:28]
Ronnie Karam
Threatening to come on this show for years. And he. She finally talked him into it and he's like, well, you're not going to do this, right? Like, you're not going to fight and scream and.
- [44:36]
Ben Mandelker
Look, just don't embarrass me.
- [44:37]
Ronnie Karam
Right?
- [44:38]
Ben Mandelker
That's probably what he said.
- [44:39]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And she's like, you. And he's so. He's just like, please don't do this to us. You could just see him. It's like losing your. It's like losing a loved one. To addiction or something. When you're just like, please don't do this. And you're like, I'm choosing this pipe over you mother. And he's like, please come back. And it's like, no, it's too late. It's too late. She got a taste.
- [45:00]
Ben Mandelker
I just sort of. I also just get the vibe with Todd that he's sort of kind of like waspy a bit. Like, maybe kind of like that. Like Midwestern kind of like, we. We don't do those sort of things around here. It's not even a Midwestern thing. It's like across the country. But, like, I kind of feel like his vibe is like, that's just not the way we act in. In on about those things. We don't say those sort of things. So this is totally, like out of his comfort zone. And he's. He's. He's al. He's just like, this is very uncomfortable for him. And yeah, he probably. He was, again, he was like a CEO of a major company. He's like, probably, you know, spend a lot of time in country club in those worlds. And this is like, tim, these people are all just trash. Which is kind of funny. But I think you're right. I think that she probably was like, I'll go on. I promise. I'm just gonna be fabulous. I'm not gonna. I'm going to. I'm not going to be the reality star that embarrasses us. I'm just going to just stand in my truth. And then now she's yelling in a hot tub, and he's like, that's enough, young lady.
- [46:03]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. And so Bronwyn's still crying and she's like, you know, he doesn't want me to show my emotions publicly. But, you know, if we're really going to go all the way, Todd doesn't want me to privately show my emotions either, you know, like. Yeah, he doesn't. He wants you to behave yourself. I think he thinks of himself as the person who's providing the money and you provide the wife thing and you behave yourself and do what he wants. And now that he's getting another taste of you, he's not liking that. He's not going to like that independence, you know, so good luck. This marriage is on its way. It's on its fucking way because he's not going just take. He's not going to lie down and take it. And she's not going to quit because she did get the taste. She could be on the new cover of Snowfall. If they brought that show back to fx, you know, just do, like, an oil paint and put her. Put her on a bus stop, because that's, like, the new star of Snowfall. She got her taste. It's all good.
- [46:57]
Ben Mandelker
I said, put her on a reboot of Twin Peaks so she actually feels like she would be in between Twin Peaks, you know?
- [47:03]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah. Then the waitress, she wanted the.
- [47:05]
Ben Mandelker
She be a waitress at pay. So Bronwyn's, like, says that she's going to brunch with the whole group, and she feels like it's gonna be a lot because she knows that Heather's upset with her, and, like, she and Lisa are in a weird spot. And he goes, well, maybe it's time to, you know, cowboy up, as they say, and change. She's like, todd, that doesn't apply to any of the situation. But I appreciate you trying to come back and finish the scene with me. Thank you.
- [47:28]
Ronnie Karam
You're the one that needs to change, buddy. You're the one that needs to cowboy up. You're the one that's crying. Ryan. Chemo Sabi. Okay.
- [47:36]
Ben Mandelker
Cowboy up. I thought this was another sushi restaurant, and I just walked just into a phrase.
- [47:42]
Ronnie Karam
Well, you know, I feel like I ended in a good place with Broadman before I left the trip, like. And she's like, my God, I'm just. I'm glad for that. And I'm not just saying that. Lisa's like, but I know that I was a good friend to you, too. Like, I wouldn't feel good about myself if I wasn't a good friend to the good time girl, you know? Okay, thank you, Lisa. But, you know, I wouldn't feel good about myself. I have to be good friends to you, too, Marilyn.
- [48:08]
Ben Mandelker
My name's Heather. So she's. Lisa says, I don't want to be in the middle of Bronwyn and Heather, but Bronwyn put me in that position. And when she kept wanting me to speak for Heather, by the way, Heather put you in that position when Heather went immediately and complained to you about your best friend. So then she says, and I'm like, I'm glad that, like, Bronwyn and I got to a better place before we left Palm Springs. And I'm hoping they still can figure out. Out, sir. Heather's like, she is not going to come into this group of girls where we are foxhole friends. We have been through the fire. We went to places like Bermuda. We saw a friend go to jail. I said an iconic phrase that got repeated in Congress. We had Been through it all, and now I'm in a great place with all of you, and I'm not going to let her come into our foxhole friends situation.
- [48:51]
Ronnie Karam
Yeah, we're foxhole friends. Okay. So Lisa's like, well, I don't think she gets that. And Heather's like, oh, she does, cousin, and I'm gonna teach her. Oh, you're so scary. So then she had those like, it cheers. And then she spills her drink all over herself. Which I was like, yes, I love. I love a nice, badass scene fail, like, nice fall on your face on the end there.
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Ben Mandelker
So we go from this, like, petty ass scene, then we go to Angie's house. And for one, for what winds up being, I felt, I thought, a fairly gutting scene of Angie, her dad comes over. She's like, hello, welcome to your favorite restauran. My best customer. Come on, sit down. The waitress will see you soon. She's like, okay, Angie, like, we don't have to do the restaurant thing every single time I go, come over.
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Ronnie Karam
Welcome to the Mexican restaurant. Just kidding. It is Greek.
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Ben Mandelker
Tonight our specials are tzatziki, baklava, and your daughter's love. Oh, thanks.
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Ronnie Karam
So, yeah, first I was like, I don't need this scene again. Because we had this scene last year where she makes her dad, I think, even the same sal salad, and it has kind of the same conversation, let's be honest. But at first I was like, I don't need it. But you're right, it really did turn into such a gut wrenching scene. She was talking about her mom and addiction and losing her mom to addiction and how she still. It's hard not to resent her mom for it. You know, she passed that when she left them. And it was really.
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Ben Mandelker
It was a real. Like, I got a little. I got a little choked up. I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I cannot believe that Angie K. Is choking me up. But I have to say, when she talked about how I was detangling Electra's necklaces, and it was very difficult because they were covered in truffle oil. When she said that, though, and she basically was like. And I found this necklace that had an initial that was supposed to remind Electra of my mother. And when I saw that, I felt. And you think she's going to say, like, I felt, like, so connected to my mother. I remembered how much I missed her. And she goes, I felt nothing. And I was like, wow, that's. That is. That. That was. That was like a. I felt That I was like, oh. And, you know, that's. That's a hard thing to admit on tv because I think that most, like, you probably are a little scared that you're going to feel like maybe like a monster for not doing it. But that was a really brutally honest moment. And I was like, well, yeah, because.
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Ronnie Karam
People get to a place with addiction discussion, especially where it's like, you know, it is an illness. And I have so much addiction in my family and my friend group and my. And myself, you know, and there is something where it's like, it's an illness. You don't want to speak badly of it, but it gets to the point where the people who are left there picking up the pieces, it's like, well, what do they get to talk about? Like, when do they get to say, that sucked. That sucked for my mom to just fucking abandon me for drugs? You know? And she was saying in this, like, it's. It's really her. Her feeling was like, how could you do this? You have your. You have kids. Why can't you pull it together? And. But also while trying to understand that it was a mom who was raising a zillion children. And then the dad was like, yeah, she wanted. She just wanted children. And he said, and she wanted multiple children. And then it got to a point where she was just like, what have I done? And he's just so honest and speaks it so plainly. And you can kind of see where this woman would be coming from. But I feel like we're always putting so much understanding into them and not as much into the people that are left there picking up the pieces. And I thought I was pretty brave, you know, it was a pretty brave conversation. Conversation.
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Ben Mandelker
It was. It was. It was very emotionally honest. And. And you see her really still struggling all these years later by saying, like, I want to forgive her. And she's like, I do forgive her. I do forgive her. But she's like, but I kind of don't forgive her. Like, you see, this is. This is something that is like a. A. A deep part of her life that's really kind of guiding her and with her that she's haven't had to grapple her entire life. And it's just. Yeah, it was so sad. And she basically, the scene winds up with her, like, so sobbing. She's just sobbing into her father's arms and he's hugging her. It was really like. It was like I was. I was like, oh, my goodness, this. This poor woman living with this pain.
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Ronnie Karam
Congratulations, you've Reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.
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