#2630 RHOSLC S05E10 Part Two: Crash and Hepburn

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2630: RHOSLC S05E10 Part Two: Crash and Hepburn

Release Date: November 22, 2024

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Introduction

In Episode #2630 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous events of The Real Housewives of Southern California (RHOSC) Season 5, Episode 10 Part Two, aptly titled "Crash and Hepburn." This detailed recap navigates the intricate social dynamics, explosive conflicts, and unexpected reconciliations that unfolded during a high-stakes themed party hosted by Mary, one of the housewives.

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Mary’s “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” Themed Party

The episode centers around Mary’s extravagant "Breakfast at Tiffany’s" themed party, which becomes the battleground for simmering tensions and interpersonal drama among the housewives.

• Bronwyn’s Awkward Arrival: Bronwyn makes the critical mistake of arriving too early to Mary’s party, resulting in an uncomfortable encounter with Eduardo, the bartender. As Ronnie humorously notes, "Eduardo is no help in feeling good about... [00:48]."

• Meredith’s Attempt at Theme Accuracy: Meredith tries to embody Audrey Hepburn’s iconic style but ends up with a peculiar haircut that deviates from the classic look. Ben comments, "I love Meredith Marks. I was cracking up... [05:15]."

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Conflict Among the Housewives

The party serves as a catalyst for underlying conflicts, particularly between Heather and Bronwyn.

• Heather’s Resentment: Heather expresses frustration over not being included in group trips, particularly the infamous Palm Springs getaway. She confronts Bronwyn about feeling excluded, saying, “I have to go. Please don’t go after me. I must go, Mar... [50:53].”

• Prenup Dispute: A heated debate arises when Heather criticizes Bronwyn for not having a prenup, insinuating ulterior motives. Ronnie highlights Heather’s aggressive stance: “I don't think this was a strong case from Heather... [27:32].”

• Accusations of Being a Gold Digger: Heather accuses Bronwyn of having a gold-digging agenda, further intensifying the rift. Ben notes, “Heather is trying to twist what she's saying because she feels like she's looking... [27:57].”

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Britney’s Struggle with Inclusion

Britney grapples with feelings of exclusion and attempts to mend fences with the group.

• Reserved Seat for Britney: Mary reserves a place setting for Britney, signaling her intent to include her amidst the tensions. Ronnie humorously quips, “I literally had forgotten about Britney... [10:28].”

• Conflict Over Wine: Britney’s decision to bring wine to a church-related gathering creates cultural friction, especially with her peers who adhere to stricter norms. Ronnie captures the moment: “It just seems off. Like, oh, my God... [24:56].”

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Attempts at Resolution and Reconciliation

Despite the heated exchanges, attempts are made to reconcile and restore harmony within the group.

• Mary’s Mediation Efforts: Mary steps in to mediate, urging the housewives to forgive each other and move forward. Ben observes, “Mary is trying to mediate conflicts... [36:56].”

• Heather’s Apology: In a dramatic turn, Heather delivers an impassioned apology, acknowledging her faults and expressing a desire to mend relationships. Ronnie remarks, “Heather’s losing. She’s just drowning right now... [35:47].” A notable apology moment includes Heather stating, “I am so sorry... [39:46].”

• Group Cheers and Partial Acceptance: The episode concludes with a mix of genuine and forced reconciliations, highlighting the complex web of relationships. Ben summarizes, “So Bronwyn just won that. I mean, there was some cheers... [34:37].”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Bronwyn on Timeliness: "If I don't get 15% off my grand slam, you're done." [00:15]

• Meredith on Friendship: “We share the same trauma in friendships and trusting people because you never know when someone close to you is going to exploit your vagina.” [35:26]

• Heather’s Dramatic Speech: “I will take it at face value that you wanted me there... [39:14].”

• Mary on Forgiveness: “We should just work it out from this moment forward.” [43:19]

• Ben on Understanding the Show: “For people who don’t understand or get Housewives... [52:14].”

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Conclusion

Episode #2630 of Watch What Crappens offers an in-depth and entertaining analysis of RHOSC Season 5's culmination. Ben and Ronnie expertly navigate through the chaos of Mary’s themed party, unpacking the layers of conflict and attempted reconciliation among the housewives. The episode underscores the enduring appeal of reality TV’s drama and the intricate dance of friendships under pressure. Whether you're a seasoned follower or a newcomer to RHOSC, this recap provides a comprehensive and engaging overview of the episode's key moments and emotional arcs.

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[Ben]

Yeah, it's like a fun house in there. But Bronwyn explains. She goes, you know, typically I arrive fashionably, but not disrespectfully late to events, per Todd's orders. He likes to say, why have we not left yet?

[Ronnie]

The event starts in 45 minutes and it's gonna be a five minute drive. We have to leave right now. If I don't get 15% off my grand slam, you're done.

[Ben]

But I am reasonably inappropriately scared of Mary and I do to upset the mistress of the manor. And look what it's gotten me. Right on time and super awkward. Just me and Eduardo. And Eduardo, the. The bartender, the barkeep, as he's labeled, is just staring at her like, you are yellow to this really disgusting.

[Ronnie]

Can I just tell you, Eduardo is no help in feeling good about. I don't know where they found Eduardo. I don't know if Eduardo's been doing this long. But he also looked terrified of Mary because he. I don't think. I think Mary's probably like, don't speak.

[Ben]

I think Mary told him not to speak because Bronwyn's trying to banter and he will not say anything back.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Bronwyn's like, oh, wow, what a perfect replica. This is great. What a great party. Bright Eduardo. And he's just like, God, her head a lot. This is my thing.

[Ben]

So Meredith arrives and she has. So Bronwyn has put in little, like, little bangs, which look very like, she looks very Audrey Hepburn. She looks.

[Ronnie]

She looks just like her.

[Ben]

Just like, weird.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's weird. She looks great.

[Ben]

And then Meredith cups. And Meredith. Meredith has put in some bangs, but she just kind of looks like she's doing a weird, like, Caesar cut.

[Ronnie]

She likes, like, a bald guy. She looks like a bald guy who's wearing, like, a little bad. You know, we've all. We've seen this a million times in Palm Springs on the men. But Meredith, did she take her bun and use, like, the ponytail part to go over her? I mean, what was it? I don't know.

[Ben]

It was the strangest thing. And I remember we saw it during our trailer trash of the season. And we're like, what is going on with Meredith's hair in this? And now we know it was actually an attempt at Breakfast at Tiffany's, which is. I love Meredith Marks.

[Ronnie]

I was cracking up. And so they're. They're talking very quietly. You're like, welcome to Breakfast at Tiffany's. I think we did a good job because the house is just so formal and, like, uncomfortable, you know?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

And Bronwyn's like, well, there's going to be no fake banks left on the Internet if. If we all bought the fake bangs. Am I right? I'm right. Right.

[Ben]

I thought I was really tricky coming in with this little clip, clip in Audrey hen bags. And then Meredith one up me with, well, whatever octopus she put on her head. They're there. It's a choice. Oh.

[Ronnie]

And so they make some small talk and talk about Palm sp and Brahman. Was like, I just needed a little break after Palm Springs, Meredith. Because, you know, Todd sat me down when we came back, and he was like, is this how you always are with them? And is there always this yelling and gutter sniping? I was like, oh, God. Got a little lecture on my behavior. And he was like, what's happening? You've got to figure out a way not to do that. And I was like, oh, we'll see. See.

[Ben]

Wow. You know, it's a hard thing to do because that's. Because that's not how I'm wired either. I'm not the one who yells and do immediate flashback to you. Also, she will be yelling by the end of the episode. So then. So then, I mean, Mary enters, and Mary is saying that, like, with everything with Robert Jr. She feels like she's lost control. And so she likes to do an event because it's her way of escaping and it leads her in the, you know, in the right Direction. And she's like, anybody can buy fashion, but you cannot buy style styles in your DNA. And I loved Audrey Hepburn. Her style was amazing, and I wanted to bring that out of these women. Let me see your style. And what does Lisa do? She goes and buys my exact same outfit and wears it. And we see that Lisa. Lisa has taken the very literal approach. She's wearing an outfit that that Mary has worn before on, like, a red carpet. But Lisa. I think Lisa saw that it was Breakfast at Tiffany's and was like, oh, my God, I love Tiffany's jewelry. I'll dress up like one of the boxes.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she did Tiffany blue. And so she comes in this jumpsuit. And Lisa's like, what? I was front row at the Fendi fashion show in New York when this originally debuted. Mary probably got it off the rack about dwarfs. I saw it first.

[Ben]

So Whitney walks in, she's, oh, my God, the house is gorgeous. I kind of assumed we'd all show up looking the same, because, I mean, when you think of Audrey Hepburn, Breakfast at Nine, Tiffany's, you think of the classic black dress and the gloves and the bun and the gloves and the bun and the gloves. And the one someone reset. Whitney. Ha. But I just put my own flare with a headband because my worst nightmare is showing up looking like Meredith.

[Ronnie]

It cracked up when she said that. But also, what are you doing? She's like, yeah, Audrey Hepburn, she's known for bangs, blue, being a whore, and smelling. I mean, not smelling, smoking. Why did I say that? Also not a whore. That's not confirmed. Maybe she was just lightly call girling. I don't really know. So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna wear a headband. Those were none of the descriptions, Whitney.

[Ben]

My favorite part at Breakfast at Tiffany's is when Audrey Hepburn and Burl Ives wrestled in chocolate syrup to make art. It's like, no, none of that happened, Whitney.

[Ronnie]

So then Heather walks in looking like she's in a neck brace. I mean, she looks like the girl that got run over by the bus in Mean Girls. Okay? Which is so funny because she's trying to mean girl Bronwyn in this and basically gets hit by a bus in this scene. Spoiler alert. She loses badly in this scene. So she is that chick from Mean Girls, and she comes in in her neck brace, and she's like, hi, everybody. Oh, my God, Today I had drinks in a bookcase. Can you believe it? And it's like being very big about kissing and hugging everybody. And then passes right by Bronwyn. Dun dun dun.

[Ben]

Yeah, like a full on icing out. And Mary is like, did you not kiss Bronwyn? No. Does she want to kiss? And she like blows a kiss to Bronwyn. And Mary's like, oh, okay. So they all are sitting down at the table and there is a place setting reserved for Britney, of all people. I literally had forgotten about Britney. And Angie's like, wow, I'm a little shocked to see this name tag here. And Mary's like, well, I invited her because I wanted her to know I'm not per.

[Ronnie]

And then we see the clip of the first scene of them together with Mary being like, when I was growing up, we just. We just didn't have. We didn't have enough. There was never. We didn't have anything. And Brittany's like, I get it. I was poor too. I didn't say I was poor, just disorganized. So they can show that to me every day for 10 years and I will always lol. That shit's funny.

[Ben]

It was so good. So then Angie is looking, admiring the plates, and she's like, I think the Versace plates will say I'm not poor. And Mary's like, it's called Russian Dream. And Angie's like, what Russian Dream? And then Angie goes, abraham Lincoln had plates with the Greek on it. And they were like, Versace. Abraham Lincoln. Angie, listen, I. I applaud your desire to bring everything back to Greek culture because Lord knows Greek culture really has influenced so much of the world. But let's not. Let's stop. Let's stop with the gobbledygoop. Versace.

[Ronnie]

I was like, this is my Jidi. My Lebanese grandpa would do this all the time. He'd be like, that guy's great. He's Lebanese. He is not Lebanese. He is Al Pacino is Lebanese. He's Italian. Nope, he's Lebanese. They're making him hide it. They're not making him hide it, but.

[Ben]

Angie declaring that Abraham Lincoln had Versace plates.

[Ronnie]

So funny. And Angie's like, yeah, it was his wedding. It was his wedding china and they were pink and they had the Greek here on them. And Lisa's like, wait a minute. I don't think Versace was around with Abraham Lincoln bots. I don't think so. I mean, Abraham Lincoln, when he invented the cars, did he also get clothes at the same time? What happened? What's happening?

[Ben]

I felt like he was too busy prosecuting cases to get Versace plates. Lincoln lawyer. Yeah, this is of all the hills to die. On Angie decides she's going to die on the Hill that Abraham Lincoln had Versace plates.

[Ronnie]

That shit's so funny. Oh, my God. So Angie goes, let's Google it. So Heather's like, that's something we don't need to Google. Okay, so then I agree.

[Ben]

I agree with Heather on this.

[Ronnie]

So Britney comes in and she's like, oh, sorry I'm late. Thank you so much for having me. The best always comes last, right, girls? It's her or me. And it's me. You must choose. Thank you. Thanks, guys. A little Miss Saigon there.

[Ben]

While we're at it, Mary's like, yeah, I don't know about that. Best comes last, but thank you. Samarith is like, wow. I was just thinking, did Mary send you a different invitation because you're not wearing anything that either resembles the movie Breakfast at Tiffany's or the jewelry shop, like Lisa Barlow Tiffany's. And then she's like, no, I got it. Mary goes, no, she got the same one. Yeah. Anyway, I want to do a cheers. Thank you all for coming to my home. Thank you for coming in the theme of Audrey Hepburn, or at least most of you, except for Britney, who we all love, I'm sure. And I just want to say cheers to friendship. We're still here, existing.

[Ronnie]

Who is this person? How is Mary so changed in one season? I know we ask it every time, but it is crazy. So Heather's like, mary, thank you so much for the invite. I just love that everyone. I just love everyone here, and I love that we've all been included, and I think that's important. Which we know did not happen for the Palm Desert trip. So thank you for the invite and thank you for including everyone. I appreciate it. Claire. Claire.

[Ben]

I love Heather's, like, complete lack of subtlety when she said, I, you know, thank you for the invite. I love that everyone here has been included. If it were Karen Huger, it would just end right there. But she's like, let me really spell this out for everyone. What I'm trying to say here. I was not invited to Palm Springs. Okay, good. I'm just glad everyone made it over there.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Ben]

But to be fair, Whitney is the audience at the table. She's like, I. I probably have to spell this out for Whitney right now.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, well, this is Breakfast at Tiffany's. So I've decided to serve Cut Fitness right out of the gate. Like, please spill a drink on yourself again when you're trying this hard, please.

[Ben]

So they are Eating some of Meredith's caviar. And they're going to start eating. They're just eating and everything.

[Ronnie]

By the way, Bronwyn, in case anyone's wondering what Bronwyn's doing after Heather just basically tells her off. She's doing so much neck and head bobbing work. It's really funny. Like, she really is working that little pigtail. She just, like, puts her head down, like, her chin down. And she looks at her, like. And then you just see her ponytail, like, bobbing in the back. Like, just seeing her getting more and more pissed.

[Ben]

The other thing with Bronwyn is she's not only nodding her head, but she's also swiveling her entire torso sort of in a little circle. It's like she's like a spoon in a cauldron. She's like, mm, mm. Making little circles in my chair.

[Ronnie]

So now Heather, Meredith has brought more caviar because that's her thing. Baths and caviar. That's her season selling.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So she's like this as Kaluga. It's a beluga whale named Carly that we got the whales off of.

[Ben]

All right.

[Ronnie]

Last time you guys had ocra. And this is Carly Beluga Kuga. All right, enjoy. Enjoy, everybody.

[Ben]

And then they are. Mary is like, let's break bread. And Whitney goes, this is my favorite bread sauce, which I don't know what bread sauce is, but sure. And Brahman. Brahman's like, angie, do you want some bread? And Mary's like, don't put the bread in your purse. And Britney's like, so Britney goes, it won't fit. Anyway, so you guys. You guys all look slightly tanner. How many people went on this trip? Like, the five of you and your husbands and the three of us didn't. Mary is the only one who invited me to anything this week, and Mary is the only one who actually gave me a call. You were at my house right before the trip. Angie, I invited you to a really special family night at my house that was, like, a little strange and a little creepy and a little awkward, but I still invited you. And I heard nothing from you, Angie, or any of you.

[Ronnie]

I was quickly honored, which was great. Even though you brought a bottle of wine. I am not some girl from long ago. And Britney's like, I mean, if it was just to me. If it was just to me. But we're talking. You're walking into a big church group. And you. You said, you know, that we grew up as Mormons into walking with a bottle of Wine. It just seems. It just seems off. Like, oh, my God. This is why nobody wants to invite you anywhere. Just sit down and eat your bread.

[Ben]

I know you wanted to walk in with a bottle of Donny Osborne's nephew, and that's, I think, way worse than the wine.

[Ronnie]

No kidding. Like, yeah, sorry.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Whitney's like, britney, what's with the bottle of wine, though? You're drinking champagne right now.

[Ronnie]

Wait a minute, everybody. Brittany doesn't like wine, but I think she's drinking champagne right now. Britney's a drinker?

[Ben]

Yes. Okay, I. Yes, for. Yes, I do. But that's for me. I wouldn't drink in front of my church group. And Angie's like, sorry, you're doing three guys. And you drink and you're claiming to be some total Mormon. Not. You're doing three guys. I'm not doing three guys. This episode way more than that.

[Ronnie]

Laugh so fucking hard. It's making me laugh all over again. I was just dying. So then we see a flashback to Britney hanging out with Angie, and she's telling her. Jared and I. I just feel like we're so good. Okay, let's just keep eating. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I have an announcement to make. I'm getting closer to Aaron, though. Okay, let's just keep eating. This is so good. Thank you so much. Oh, wait, hold on. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Ladies, I'm also dating a guy named Hal, and Hal's a really incredible guy. He's just so amazing. And then we cut back, and Angie's like, and you're not off. And now you're offended that I bring a bottle of to your house.

[Ben]

I am not doing three guys. Can we just, like, scratch that from the record? And Mary. Then Mary says, I don't know all the guys that ber dating, but I do know that Jared keeps sliding into my dms and we see a DM from Jared to Mary. Yes. And he's like, my amazing friend Mary, I hope you're doing well. I really enjoyed what a quality and amazing human you are. What a pleasure it was to meet you.

[Ronnie]

And another one is like, mary, you, I think you're amazing. You have a blessed day as well. You are one of God's greatest daughters. You can feel it. And then another one.

[Ben]

Oh, my sweet friend Mary, I do not believe any of the drama that came from Bronwyn. In fact, at that dinner that I was at, I defended you. I think you are a very sweet and wonderful woman. I told everybody about my feelings that I had after hearing you, I was immediately connected to you.

[Ronnie]

As a daughter of God, I feel that spiritual connection. Still, you are a solid friend of mine and I will always be grateful for that. You and I are definitely in a good space. If there's anything that I can ever do for you, just let just know I am here. My penis is always available and I could use a good spray tan. Partner Ding. Yeah.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Well, he's like, from one religious person to another, want to fuck some time? She's like, yeah, fire emoji. Who?

[Ben]

So he's like, acting. I just think it's. It's funny. He's like, acting like he is this person who is a man of God who is going to walk the straight and narrow and be a good citizen. And then he's like, posting pictures on his Instagram, like liberal tears, just like mocking people. So I'm like, okay, well, it seems like you're really being a. A lover of humanity. So Mary is like. She's like, you know, he's nice, but, like, why? And the producer's like, have you told Britney? And she's like, no, I don't need that soap opera. I have a lot going on in my life right now. And also, I don't want to talk to Britney more than I have to, more than I'm contractually, contractually obligated to.

[Ronnie]

So Britney's still going on about the wine. And Angie's like, well, I said, when we pray at communion, we drink wine. It was a bottle of wine. I didn't think you were going to open it for the ward. And when he's like, but Britney, Wait a minute. Is Britney. Is Britney mad that she brought the wine or is Britney mad because she outed? The fact that Britney drinks wine?

[Ben]

I call for a mistrial. So Britney's like, well, just kind of put me on the spot. And it's just. It's culturally awkward that I drink and I go to church every week. You would understand.

[Ronnie]

Heather, girl, it's culturally awkward that you're banging people. Not you married to and everything else too. You hypocrite. Okay, if you can break one law, just. You might as well just go out and go on a killing spree. That's what I say.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Heather does a whole spiel about, like, Heather Does a whole spiel about, like, being caught between the worlds and like, it's, it's, you know, it's really tough. And if you're trying to get around the rules, you need to go to the church of Mormon 2.0 where I believe Lisa is holding meetings. Everyone. It's funny. It was good callback to last season about a storyline that not a lot of people cared about. Right? Right. Okay, great.

[Ronnie]

So Britney's like, I'm sorry, but I'm just on the edge because I just feel so excluded. And Lisa's like, brad, nay, I wouldn't even thought to check on you because I wouldn't think that you would be sad about not being there because you've been super rude about Todd and Bronwyn's life. Look at that. I'm sticking up for Bronwyn. And Mary's like, yeah, it's not okay to talk about people's husbands, you know? And Bronwyn's like, yeah, well, you've called me a gold digger.

[Ben]

And Britney's like, yes. And you've said that Todd is disgusting. No, I did not say that. I never said that Todd was disgusting. Well, you said that. You said there's no way I was physically attracted to him. You said our relationship is bullshit. You don't believe it. I need to prove it to you.

[Ronnie]

I did not say that. And when I said, it's time to take a break, you said, I will not because everyone has said it. And she goes, well, I said everyone's thinking it because they are. And Lisa's like, I don't think that. I don't think that. I think Bronwyn's amazing. And basically her husband is a pin up br pit. She, he's better looking than Brad Pitt. Everybody knows that. I'm standing up for Brad, man.

[Ben]

So Heather's like, well, then why don't you have a prenup? And Brahma goes, you know, you got to take a break off the prenup. You really do, Heather. You keep. You want to keep knocking on that door and you're not going to like it when I open it and you see a bunch of Starbucks mugs that apparently you look down on.

[Ronnie]

I don't understand the question be so the re.

[Ben]

I. I thought about this. What Heather is saying, if you're not a gold digger, then you would have been fine with a prenup because then you probably would not have gotten anything out of a prenup. But if you. But like, it's a gold digger thing to not have A prenup. The implication is that Bronwyn advocated for there to be a no prenup. And then she would stand to. To receive a lot from, like, a divorce.

[Ronnie]

Oh, so the woman should prove herself by getting nothing after being married to somebody.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't think this was a.

[Ronnie]

I don't think this was strong case from Heather.

[Ben]

Yeah, I think it's not a. Yeah, I don't think it's a strong idiotic. Yeah, I would not blame Bronwyn for there not being a prenup.

[Ronnie]

Hey, let me tell you something. You may not have been the trip, but I hope you had fun visiting the patriarchy.

[Ben]

Okay, so Heather is like, I just think it's stupid for anyone at this stage of our lives to get into any marriage without a prenup if you have any reasonable assets to protect. For instance, any revenue you may have received from a book called Bad Mormon available in bookstores now.

[Ronnie]

But why would she think. Why would. So now she's trying to twist it that she's saying Bronwyn should be the one that has a prenup, which is just silly, as we all know that Todd's a rich one. So now she's trying to twist what she's saying because I think she feels that she's looking like an. Right. At least that's what I'm getting. So Britney's like, it doesn't matter whether I have a prenup. And the fact that you don't know my husband and you have opined multiple times on what he should or should not have done. And she goes multiple times. Opined. Oh, pray tell, Shakespeare. Like, oh, my God, opined is really a Shakespearean word. Heather is so funny because she is really coming into this in the neck brace, trying to look like a badass, and she is getting eaten alive. Bronwyn is slaying the fuck out of her.

[Ben]

She does.

[Ronnie]

It's almost painful to. I mean, I feel uncomfortable watching it, but I'm also giggling like, oh, you tried.

[Ben]

It's kind of amazing.

[Ronnie]

And you failed. Bronwyn is in full control of this show, and it's hilarious to watch. Lisa's kissing her ass. Heather is about to start kissing her ass. I mean, it's pretty good.

[Ben]

Yeah. I mean, Heather. Heather is one of the best on Bravo with her words. She can line up. It's not so much a read, but she can do a little speech so quickly on the fly. I mean, I am envious of that. You see the way I get tangled in my words all the time. Like, Heather Just. It spews out so wonderfully. But she's also used to being the one that does that. Like, that's her thing. So here comes Bronwyn saying exotic words like opined, and Heather is losing her mind. So Heather's like, oh, pray tell, Shakespeare, I know three things about your husband. And now Heather's really mad. So she's like, talking with one eye. She's like, three things about your husband. Okay, I know that he does not have a prenup with you. I know he collects Starbucks mugs. Roll the footage of that awful moment of my life having to pretend to enjoy that. And we see Heather being like, gross, Starbucks mugs. And she goes, and I know that he's an on couples trips when he wants someone to leave. Okay, Lisa, you can jump in and defend me now.

[Ronnie]

And Ron was like, oh, cute, Lisa. You told her that? That's really cute, Lisa. Because, you know, you see what Heather's doing. She's like, okay, Lisa's trying to make up with Bronwyn. So I'm gonna throw Lisa under the bus so she can't make up with Bron because I need somebody on my side, right? And she's like, Lisa goes, what do you mean, cute? And Mary's like, but can I just say this really quick? I mean, Bronwyn does care if you get along and if you don't believe. So, I mean, that's fine. But it does matter to her. So it's important that you guys get it straight for her. She's like, she didn't invite me on the group trip. And so Bronwyn was like, heather, I said to you I wanted you to come, and I'm planning for you to come. And I even bought your first class return ticket.

[Ben]

So this explains, by the way, last episode, there was this whole thing where Bronwyn said, I. There was, like, only four tickets available in first class, and I got one for me and Todd, and then everyone else, she put in coach. And we're like, why didn't you put anyone in those two slots? It turns out she'd already bought a ticket for Heather, so there was only a solo ticket next to that. So Heather is like, how did you buy a ticket for me? And Brahman's like, well, honestly, I asked someone else for your birthday and your name, AKA Production. Because production probably books all the tickets, right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I guess. Well, I don't know.

[Ben]

Conspiracy theory on my part.

[Ronnie]

Well, I don't know, because she's saying she has the ticket because she booked it on her Credit card. So I don't know. This is all super weird because I thought production paid for all that, so I don't know. And, well, Heather's like, ask. And the producer is like, well, what is your birthday? And she's like, none of your business. Next.

[Ben]

So Bronwyn's like, okay, here's the ticket. Correct. You see? And Heather's like, let me see. I would love to see it. And Brahman's like, it says, heather gay, and it says, when I canceled it, she'll give it to me so I can look. Okay, you know what? I'd love to look at the dates. I love to see what this flight is. She's like, well, I'll forward it to you, and you can memorize it.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, so who took my first class ticket spot that Bronwyn so generously purchased for me? And Angie's like, not us. And Lisa goes, wait, I couldn't move myself because there was one ticket available. But by. By the time John went back in the app, it was gone. That's so funny. So there was one available, but she still didn't tell Lisa.

[Ben]

I wish I knew how I was getting home. I would have bought my own ticket myself. And Bronwyn's like, this is insane. She's. Yeah, well, guess what, Angie. You weren't exactly thrilled you'd be mad at Bronwyn because I'm not allowed to be mad at her right now because I'm proving that I really like her. But you be mad. Fight my Fight my war.

[Ronnie]

She's like, I was fine with it. She goes, no, you weren't. She goes, I just knew you wouldn't be fine with it. And Lisa's like, no, you were not fine. You died. When you saw your seat number, you. You died. We gave you a Greek funeral. It took seven hours. You're the one that even brought it up to me. Like, how are you getting home? Check your ticket. So I'm worried about you. That's, like, shocking to me. It's, like, completely shocking. And then we see a flashback, which is not like this at all. Angie's like, oh, my God, Lisa, look at your ticket. You're gonna. You're gonna freak out.

[Ben]

Angie's like, I am 18C. I've never had such a high number before. What a wonderful day. And so Lisa's like, oh, my God, Coach. So Brahman's like, does it feel totally asinine that anyone was worried about it? I flew you guys. Just FYI, your husband's got A gift. You guys got gifts for me? I had the house, I took you to Indy. And if anyone gives a flying fuck, pun intended, where they sat for 67 minutes on the way home. This is wild bullshit.

[Ronnie]

And now there's like, it doesn't matter where you sit for 67 minutes. Why did you book yourself and your husband first class and them all in coach? And she goes, because it was my goddamn credit card. John. John. She did like she like myself where.

[Ben]

I wanted to be black annexed down.

[Ronnie]

On the table and was like, like, you, I've got a black card be.

[Ben]

And then it just cuts the commercial and I was like, I mean, Heather was trying to make you for sure. I mean, what part of her saying I paid for everything? It's. And it's also, by the way, it's also their anniversary. They are allowed to have the first class tick. It was just such a. You, you're. You cannot. You don't. You don't turn the group against me when I bought all this for them. And then you're going to make it seem like I was the one who is stingy. Uhuh, ma'am. I bought this t it because I wanted it. And that's the end of the story.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and she nailed it. She nailed it on this. And she tells us, oh, I see what Heather does with the other ladies. She spins him out of control and they forget that she was the one who was wrong in the argument and that they're all. That they're all having. And I'm not going to be spun by Heather. And it's just so funny that she just clocks that so easily because that is what Heather does. And now that every time she tries it, Bronwyn just shoots her down. So Bronwyn's like, well, it doesn't matter what I say to Heather because she's just going to say, oh, that's another problem. There's another one. And there's no getting through a problem with you. Because once I say, and actually I was trying to invite you, you. And she goes, oh, you're just so astute for someone that's known me for how long? She'll see every time I say, let's get all the way to the bottom of this, Heather changes what it is she's mad about, which she didn't really, but now she's just confusing Heather. And it's so funny, Heather literally gets that far away look in her eyes, like what? Like she doesn't know what's happening.

[Ben]

And then Whitney is like, hold on, I'll help. So, Heather, I know that we share the same trauma in friendships and trusting people because you never know when someone close to you is going to exploit your vagina.

[Ronnie]

So now Heather does change it because she's not winning with that tactic.

[Ben]

She's like, hey, here's your way out. Like, and it's sad if you have to get this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Heather's losing. She's just drowning right now. And she will not. She's just trying. She's like, I can swim. She's like, avoiding the life raft. You know, I can swim. It's like, obviously, you're drowning. So Heather goes, well, I don't think it's lovely to leave one of your friends out because she's single and then go on a couples trip. And it's like, oh, God, everyone knows that's not why she left you out, you know? And so Whitney is like, but that's different. But Heather, she gave you a chance. And she's like, I know that I'm coming out strong, Whitney. And I know that I'm angry and I know that I'm coming on a hard problem and I'm changing it again because I'm very hurt.

[Ben]

So then Bronwyn's like, at this point, Heather. Yeah, because now the music gets, like, sort of, like, sort of like serious. Like they're gonna have a breakthrough. So, you know, you know it's coming. So Brahman's like, at this point, Heather, I am still open to getting to know you. I think you have a very wrong opinion of who I am. And I wanted to show you differently on the trip and we didn't get there. But there is a part of me that feels like it's not just me in this situation. And you don't want to hear me saying to you, I want you to come. I want to fix it.

[Ronnie]

So Heather's like, we have had difficult times in our friendship. She's going to make it all about Monica now, right? She's like, yes, this is my family. And they replaced me after I was ditched by the Mormon Church. She's like, she's like building that victim cloak way up because she knows she's lost. Now, this is interesting because this is very rare to see on these shows where someone's like, she's definitely got me beat. So I'm not only going to go down and apologize, I'm going to give a whole five minute speech about it and go down. I mean, it was amazing. She was like, standing on the edge of the Titanic. She was the band that was playing as the Titanic went down. She's like, well, I'm drowning anyway. Might as well get some Tchaikovsky in there, you know? So she starts going down and gives this whole speech about what a victim she is and how hard it is to be hurt by Monica, discarded by religion, and now she's cautious. No, you were trying to be the HBIC bank and Wells Fargo came in and they were bigger and better and had better rates, and everybody decided to go with them. So you were HBIC over there, standing there with nobody in your line, and you have failed, and now you have tried to get bought out by Wells Fargo.

[Ben]

That being said, so it was a. Hilariously, it was like. It was the sort. Again, the sort of campy monologue pivot that I love in these shows where someone's going hard, they realize they've lost. They do a whole, like, I'm just my guard. I'm just so guarded. I've been burned before. I have no family. My friends are my family. Whitney is my receipts. Meredith is my proof. Mary is my timeline. You know, Like, I don't. These are. These are. I. I guard them with my life. They're so special to me. And it's, like, so over the top. But, like, I also love that. Like, I love, like, when you fail, you have to give the big speech to the music. And I was like a. I was like, this is why Heather's also a top housewife. At the end of the day, this is why she is, you know, in a fairly elite tier, because she realized she couldn't do it, so she had to do the dramatic speech to the. To the dramatic music.

[Ronnie]

She doesn't go out with a whimper. She goes out with a guttural aria.

[Ben]

You know, I love it. So then she's like, aria is nice, though, right?

[Ronnie]

What are the sad ones? I don't know. I'm a dirge.

[Ben]

So she's like. She's like, you know, I have a lot of people that love me, and I've had my back universally in horrible situations, and to be left out like that hurt my feelings. And I'm going to process that. And I'm sorry if that's coming off so mean to you. I will take it at face value that you wanted me there, and I'm sure you didn't want this type of disruption on your life, and I'm. I'm sorry for that. And I would absolutely be open to a clean slate and moving forward and receiving a party favor like everyone else got.

[Ronnie]

And I Can I still use that first class ticket?

[Ben]

Did I get a credit? You didn't return it, right?

[Ronnie]

So they cheers and Lisa's like, oh, my God, yay. I'm glad we're this ended up. So Heather's like, eye contact, please. Clean slate. So Bronwyn does and nods very fiercely in her ponytail, bobs up and down. So yeah, Bronwyn just won that. I mean, there was some cheers. There was some cheers in my house. I was like, okay, I'll give it up. Like, that was good. Okay. So then Heather is like, well, listen, Bromwyn, I. Bronwyn and I got off to a bad start, but so did me and Lisa. And then we see clips of four years ago that are just so funny with the double thumbs up thing that you sent me a thumbs up text. And Lisa's saying, you know, that means fuck you. And Heather's saying, no, two thumbs up is a you and that's a universal tax code.

[Ben]

So, yeah. So Heather's like, okay, well, I guess she's here to stay. That was she. Was she really. She really. She really beat me down there. So she's probably gonna stay on this show. So then everyone is. Everyone's like, yay, it's resolved. Well, that was a good episode, everyone. Great work today. We'll see you in a few days for our next shoot. And Brittany's like, guys, guys, stop it. You're all clapping and that's not cool. I'm like, whoa, okay, what, Britney? She's like, seriously, what about me? When do I get to have my big moment? Bronwyn, please read me for filth. Come on, it looks fun.

[Ronnie]

She's like, guys, America goes, oh, God. And Bronwyn's like, get this woman a puppy. She needs uncondition love from somewhere. Britney's like, now there's this big Kumbaya moment all over the table, but not me. Nancy goes, oh, you are feeling left out. I'm so sorry. You are like pizza on a tray of hummus and grape leaves.

[Ben]

Yes. I don't totally understand the metaphor, but I'm going to assume that's the feeling of being left out. Because I am so sick of this and wine.

[Ronnie]

Thank you.

[Ben]

I just. I want to have the same Kumbaya moment. It's just not fair.

[Ronnie]

So then she's tries it. So then Mary goes, well, we're sitting down. Go ahead, you have the floor. So Lisa goes, brittany, if you wanted a Kumbaya moment, you could have said, I'm sorry. And Britney goes, okay, Bronwyn, I officially apologize for those mean things that I said about you and your husband. And Bronwyn's like, okay, because everybody told you you had to move on or because you really feel it? She goes, because I feel it. She goes, okay. And Bronwood's like, girl, you're a friend of I don't give a. What you think.

[Ben]

I know. I'm so glad we had this conversation. I really needed this Kumbaya moment. And Heather's like, I need a Kumbaya moment, too. Do they have California rules there?

[Ronnie]

So, yeah. And Brahma is just like, okay, I forgive you. She won't even look at her. She's just eating her food. She's like, girl, I'm not even giving you this. Have fun in the pile of discarded Osmond bones. You know, so shockingly. Oh, go ahead.

[Ben]

Yeah, no, you go ahead. I was gonna say, what you're about to say next with Mary is shocking because I would never have expected Mary to actually be.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Mary. I don't know who the fuck Mary is. So Mary is like, okay, so maybe we could invite Ronwin, because she's tried to come in, you know, and she's trying to say, something's not fixed, so maybe we can grow together, because that's the sole reason you're here. Okay, so let's do that. Because, you know, whatever each other's saying, we should listen. Okay. And then that's what we should do. Let's just work it out from this moment forward. We work it out.

[Ben]

So at this point, I'm like, we're wrapping up the episode because I'm not looking at how much time is left, because I'm so enthralled in this amazing episode. And I'm thinking, okay, it's over. Because Heather and Bronwyn's like, that's the big bad. Like, that's the. The. That's the big fight. The feud that's been brewing over the course of the season. So we've sort of resolved it. We're going to move on. But then, lo and behold, I don't want to pile on, but I want to talk to Meredith. Oh, well, I'm sure she does. Just when he thought it was over, and just when Meredith thought she was getting out of this meal without an issue, it's time for round three.

[Ronnie]

I want to move forward with you, but I'm having some unresolved feelings since Palm Springs with this whole podcast thing with Sean. And she only trying to do was deal with an unresolved issue that had never been addressed before about a toddler in danger. And I just wanted to just feel a level of resolve because this is about my child. And if something were concerning electronic, I know you would feel the same. Surely if I said potting plants with your children could be poisonous, you are having them touch poo and they could touch their eye or swallow it and choke to death, you might be upset.

[Ben]

Surely if I had mentioned that a good child would enjoy truffle sauce, you would probably have something to say about that. So Angie's like, is that so? Then she goes, and I don't want to go backwards, because if we're gonna go backwards, it's not going to be pretty for anyone. Is that a threat? Didn't I just say I didn't want to do that? So now we get like a five minute fight about whether or not it was a threat. She's like, yeah, we're not going to go backwards. And I'm not going to go. But I'm talking about going forwards. Well, that's what I'm saying. We're going to go forwards, but we're going to go backwards first. You just said that I'm going forwards. So was that a threat? No, it was not a threat. But if you think it was a threat, I'm going to throw a rock through your window. Ah, a threat. That was a threat.

[Ronnie]

No, wait a minute, wait a minute. A threat is when you say you're going to go backwards. That is a threat. I said, if you want to go backwards, we can do it. Because if you. You're asking to. But I don't want to. You said go backwards. And Merit's like, oh, my God, this is now a threat. Oh, my God. I can't talk. I can't talk. I can't talk.

[Ben]

You said, you said if you want to go backwards, we can go backwards. You can, but I just said, I don't want to go back. It's like being in a car and saying, well, we could go in reverse, but we'd hit a wall, so let's go forward instead. Why are you threatening my car? Oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

So Andrew's like, I do feel like this continued, and I think we are moving forward. I think you like Sean, I think I like Seth. I think you can get along with me. But then something comes up and I think it gets misconstrued. And then what my husband was trying to say, you. You make it crazy. And we got support from the LGBTQ Greek plus community that didn't like what you were throwing out there as well.

[Ben]

Okay, I'm gonna cut this off right now, okay? Because I was.

[Ronnie]

I'm still talking.

[Ben]

I have a toddler who came out of the womb in a rainbow flag. So I don't want you to tell me about any sort of LGBTQ community. I'm not. I'm done with this.

[Ronnie]

Please don't shoot me.

[Ben]

I'm not threatening you on. Just that this is off the table. We're not going to talk about this. I'm going to. I'm sure. Okay, You. You can sit there. I will cut you off.

[Ronnie]

So Andrew's like, well, she alluded to rumors that my husband was gay, and then she got trolled like hell online. So she's trying to backpedal and saying, I would never talk about someone's sexuality because my son is gay, which is what she did. This is true.

[Ben]

I don't know if Meredith was troll.

[Ronnie]

Not only. She was. People were like, why would you. You can't. Ye. Like, you can't. I mean, people would get in on the gay rumor about someone's husband. That's disgusting. But also, it was Whitney. This is all Whitney. This is all Whitney. Why is everybody blaming Meredith? Whitney was the one who brought this on camera.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Meredith is like, angie, I am tired of this. You have a consistent habit of deny, deny, deny. Did you say, my husband didn't say these things? Let's play them, and let's make it abundantly clear. So Meredith pulls out her phone and starts playing the audio of Sean on the podcast. And everyone's listening. And I was like, okay, good. They're going to hear it, and then they can just discuss it. But then Whitney grabs the phone, and I was like, why did Whitney do that? That was actually, like, not cool. And Whitney grabs it, and then she's on the phone, and, no, I will hold my phone. I will take my own phone, thank you very much. And I was on murder's side about that, because you don't just take someone's phone out of their hand like that. You're on mute.

[Ronnie]

That's like grabbing my boyfriend by the moat by the throat. You can't just grab that. That's my. That's my love. That's it. That's my bank. That's my everything. It's my life. You can't just take my phone because.

[Ben]

Whitney just grabs it, and it's like, this was. I felt like for a moment, I felt like this was going to lead to some resolution where Angie was gonna say, this is what he meant. By it, she could say. And Meredith might say, this is how I took it. Although let's be honest, that probably would never happen. So what? So. But Meredith's like, stop scrolling on my phone. I don't want you to delete one of my toddler photos.

[Ronnie]

And Whitney's like, I'm just turning up the volume. There's no scrolling. And we're just like, I turned it up. Don't grab my phone. She goes, then don't put it in my face. And then it goes to Whitney, and she's got a toupee at the top of her head. And she's like, my phone. How dare you? So this is best season that she's ever had.

[Ben]

So now, Angie, who has made a lot of progress with Meredith, I think it's now all out the window because she's like, meredith, pull up all your videos. You are hateful. You are miserable. You live to try and expose people because you are miserable.

[Ronnie]

So now Mary's like, angie, no. No. And Meredith's like, oh, you're the miserable ones. They're like, no, you're miserable. No, you're miserable. And Mary's like, oh, Mary's trying to get them both. She's like, stop it. And Meredith, stop. Angie, stop. And she's like, leave me alone. She goes, you're miserable. You're miserable. And she's like, well, if you're not going to listen to me, Meredith. Angie, if you're not going to listen to me, then get out of my house. Meredith is like, oh, I will, I will, I will, I will.

[Ben]

I've been. I. I can't believe that I was asked to leave. So I will leave. I will be the classy person in here. It's like, no, I didn't say. I said, if you're not going to listen to me, leave. It was a conditional statement. No, no, no. Did you not just tell me to get out of your house? She's like, no, I said, if you're not going to listen, let me talk and listen to me. And you're screaming at her, let's go to the other room and have a break. So now Meredith starts to cry. She's like, you were just raising your voice. I am a toddler at home. Do you know how difficult it is to raise a toddler by yourself when your husband's in Ohio working for big lots?

[Ronnie]

And Meredith's like, I didn't put you out. Meredith, don't do that. And she goes, I am doing it. I am. I love you, but I'm leaving. And she's like, this is not love you leaving. It's like, I love you, but I'm hurt, and I need the process best things. And I feel like my head is being squeezed by a hand from above made of hair, and I have to go. So I'm like, I'm at a claw machine, and the claw is made out of hair, and it's trying to pick me up as a toy.

[Ben]

It's literally like the Fisher Price plastic. And so Mary's like. She's like. She's like, so I'm not deep enough to get this straight. You're just going to leave me? I'm sorry. You hurt me. I got completely attacked for the 8,000th time by this group, and I have to go. Mary, I. I have to go. Please don't go. Don't come after me. I must go, Mar.

[Ronnie]

Right, clearly you and Angie about a field day ripping me apart. Continue and have fun. I'll give you free reign to talk about me.

[Ben]

She said, don't go there. Don't you dare talk about me and Angie. Angie's like, oh, my God. You know, when she walks, that's when it gets tough. That's when she walks. And Mary's. So then Meredith's like, I'm going, oh, God, Toddler Bertsy. And mommy's coming home for you.

[Ronnie]

And Mary's like, oh, wow. Thank you, Lord. She took her bangs with her. She goes. She goes, this is Audrey Hepburn, not the Flintstones.

[Ben]

I was like, oh, good. Thank God. Classic Mary's back.

[Ronnie]

So good. What a great episode. I love this show.

[Ben]

I love this.

[Ronnie]

First in the ratings. This show should be the top of the box office. Like, when I look at movies, I just want this show to be at the top. It's just so good. It's so fantastic. I wish everybody would watch it. It changed my life. I mean, that and the Country Music Awards in the same night.

[Ben]

I mean, what a night for you.

[Ronnie]

I'm a different person today.

[Ben]

Thank you all so much for listening and for being here today. That was such a wild ride of. Of a show. I'm like, I do feel really blessed that we have it. I feel so lucky that we get to enjoy this show. Like, for people who don't understand or get Housewives, for the people who say, like, why have you watched that crap? Because people say that a lot. It's shocking how many times people say that. I am just so grateful that we understand why the show is so good. Because an episode like this comes around or season like this comes around and it's like our lives are richer because of it. And people who don't get it, they don't get it and they're missing out.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Well, good luck non getters but for everybody else, thanks for being here. We will talk to you tomorrow.

[Ben]

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Alkalani we love her on the rocks it's Melissa Cox Megan Berg you can't have a burger without the burger Berg.

[Ben]

Have a heck of a time with.

[Ronnie]

Rebecca the highest Tally it's Sarah McNally.

[Ben]

Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman the bay area and our super premium sponsors somebody get us 10ccs of Betsy MD.

[Ronnie]

We'Re taking the gold with Brenda Silva.

[Ben]

Let'S get real with Caitlin O'Neill don't.

[Ronnie]

Get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily side Nobody.

[Ben]

Holds a candle to Jamie Kendall we got our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh she's Jill Hirsch she's a little bit loony Juni my Favorite Myrtle Karen McMurdo we love him madly It's Kyle Pod Chadley let's go on a.

[Ronnie]

Bender with Lauren Fender she's a whiz.

[Ben]

It's Liz Sarthy the incredible edible Matthew.

[Ronnie]

Sisters she eases our woes It's Melissa.

[Ben]

St. Rose Give him hell Ms. Noel Ring that bell Poor Rochelle she's the queen bee It's Sarah Lemke Shannon out of a canon Anthony let's take off with Tamla Plane she ain't no shrinking.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

I'm Lindsey Graham, host of Wondery show American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, entrepreneur Lou Pearlman becomes the mastermind behind two of the biggest pop groups in the world, the Backstreet Boys and NSync. He also oversees a sprawling business empire that includes a charter jet company, restaurants, and real estate. But Perlman's successful facade crumbles after he's sued by the boy bands for siphoning millions from them, and soon investigators discover that Perlman is keeping his empire afloat through an even more devious scheme. Follow American Scandal on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Experience all episodes ad free and be the first to binge the newest seasons only on Wondery. Plus, you can join Wondery in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial today.