#2631 RHOC S18E19 Reunion 3 Part One: For Whom The Bellino Tolls

Summary

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Title: #2631 RHOC S18E19 Reunion 3 Part One: For Whom The Bellino Tolls
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: November 22, 2024

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Introduction

In episode #2631 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous reunion of The Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC) Season 18, Episode 19: "For Whom The Bellino Tolls." True to their show's ethos, Ben and Ronnie blend genuine commentary with satirical impressions of the RHOC cast, offering listeners a humorous yet insightful breakdown of the episode's key moments, conflicts, and dramatic revelations.

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Personal Anecdotes and Setting the Stage

Before diving into the RHOC reunion, Ben and Ronnie share personal stories that set a relatable tone for the episode.

• Ronnie's Wicked Experience ([03:31]): Ronnie recounts his excitement about attending a Wicked performance in LA, only to be met with disappointment when none of his friends wanted to join him. This leads to a humorous exchange where Ronnie vents his frustration, highlighting the challenges of coordinating social outings.

  "I told them, screw you guys. I'm going to go alone like a loser, and then I'm going to go talk to other gays who will do Wicked things with me." ([03:43])

• Ben's Friendsgiving ([05:06]): Ben shares memories from a recent Friendsgiving at his house, praising Ronnie's culinary skills, particularly her chocolate pecan pie and mac and cheese. Their camaraderie provides a warm contrast to the intense discussions that follow about the RHOC reunion.

  "And you made some great Mac and cheese. Ronnie is the Mac and cheese master." ([06:20])

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Breaking Down the RHOC Season 18 Reunion

The core of the episode centers around Ben and Ronnie's analysis of the RHOC Season 18 reunion. They dissect the interactions between key cast members—primarily focusing on Shannon, Alexis, and John—highlighting underlying tensions and unresolved conflicts.

Conflict Between Shannon and Alexis

• Shannon vs. Alexis ([07:32] - [14:02]): The hosts mock the escalating tension between Shannon Bedor and Alexis Charmin. They mimic the fiery exchanges where Shannon accuses Alexis of manipulating John and being overly meddlesome. The depiction captures Shannon's frustration with Alexis's continual accusations and legal maneuvers against her.

  "Fuck that guy. You're no longer my friends." ([03:57])
  "You are the dumbest girl I've ever seen." ([44:49])

• Financial Disputes ([26:15] - [41:03]): A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the financial disagreements between Shannon and John, with Alexis playing a pivotal role in bringing these issues to light. Ben and Ronnie satirize the claims of unpaid loans and the complexity of their financial entanglements.

  "He bought her tits and offered to buy her tat." ([26:35])
  "Shannon, you know how volatile our relationship is." ([61:31])

Legal Maneuvering and Drama

• Promissory Notes and Legal Threats ([59:28] - [72:12]): The hosts parody the legal jargon and dramatic declarations made during the reunion. They highlight Alexis's attempts to frame the financial transactions as formal loans, juxtaposed with Shannon's denials and counter-accusations.

  "I sent you a promissory note." ([55:35])
  "This is not a business transaction." ([60:25])

• Emotional Outbursts ([42:22] - [45:24]): Ben and Ronnie mimic the emotional volatility of the cast members, emphasizing the personal attacks and defensive tactics employed during the reunion. This section underscores the chaotic nature of the interactions, making it ripe for the hosts' comedic take.

  "You are an idiot. Don't call me dumb." ([44:49])
  "I graduated with a degree deodorant." ([45:48])

Character Dynamics and Role-Playing

• Heather Dubrow's Defense ([16:05] - [18:21]): The hosts portray Heather's attempts to defend Alexis while simultaneously undermining Shannon, showcasing the intricate alliances and rivalries within the cast.

  "I've been on Television for 15 years." ([11:18])
  "Let her speak. You don't do that for me." ([54:34])

• John Jansen's Persona ([34:22] - [72:12]): John’s character is dissected, focusing on his portrayal as a man under siege by allegations and the strain it puts on his relationships. Ben and Ronnie highlight his defensive stance and the drama surrounding his interactions.

  "My turn. May I say." ([34:22])
  "I saw her completely non-organic." ([35:08])

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject notable quotes from the transcript, attributing them to the respective speakers and providing humorous commentary. Here are some standout moments:

• Ronnie's Frustration:

  "I am burning it down. I'm burning it all down. Fuck those people. You're no longer my friends." ([03:57])

• Ben's Relatable Mishap:

  "But I think I forgot to save a little portion of your Mac and cheese for myself." ([06:43])

• Shannon's Accusations:

  "I have my own relationship with John, and he didn't speak very kindly to me at this party." ([15:49])

• Alexis's Legal Threats:

  "If you bring yours, I have the numbers, Shannon." ([20:24])

• Ben's Sarcastic Remark:

  "Client call, but this the end of part one. Thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two." ([73:52])

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Concluding Insights

Ben and Ronnie wrap up part one of their detailed recap by expressing their skepticism towards the legitimacy of the disputes raised during the RHOC reunion. They emphasize their support for Shannon, critiquing Alexis's motives and questioning the genuineness of the financial disagreements.

• Support for Shannon:

  "Ultimately the blame is him because it's him doing it." ([22:31])
  "I can't wait to watch you just fade the fuck out." ([21:18])

• Critique of Alexis:

  "You are so bitter." ([44:49])
  "She's a voice in his ear." ([22:49])

Ben and Ronnie's analysis combines sharp wit with a deep understanding of RHOC's dramatic landscape, providing listeners with both entertainment and a critical perspective on the reality TV drama.

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Conclusion

Episode #2631 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and humor-laden examination of the RHOC Season 18 reunion. Through their engaging banter and incisive mockery, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dissect the intricate web of relationships, financial disputes, and personal vendettas that define the reality show’s latest chapter. For fans of Bravo’s dramatic escapades or those seeking a comedic take on reality TV, this episode delivers insightful commentary wrapped in laughter.

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Transcript

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[Ben Mandel]

Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandel, and joining me today on this Wicked premiere day, it's Ronnie Karam.

[Unknown]

Hi, Ronnie.

[Ben Mandel]

How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm good.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah, you sound a little. Sound a little low.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am low. I am low. You know, here's what happened. I moved back to la. I was like, I can't wait to be around my gay, gay friends. So I get here, I'm like, hey, does any gay person want to go see Wicked? No. Not even the girls will go.

[Unknown]

I mean, what the hell?

[Ronnie Karam]

I told them, screw you guys. I'm going to go alone like a loser, and then I'm going to go talk to other gays who will do Wicked things with me. And then one of them's like, well.

[Unknown]

At least it's not frozen, because fuck.

[Ronnie Karam]

That, you don't like frozen too. Who are we?

[Unknown]

Who are we?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I'm. I'm burning it down. I'm burning it all down. Fuck those people. You're no longer my friends.

[Unknown]

Okay? I'm going to go see Elphaba and her Journey.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah, well, Ronnie, I'm. I'm really upset for you. I would see it with you, except I just don't have time and I'm going. I'm going to the east coast on Sunday and I don't have time between now and Sunday to see Wicked.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't want pity Wicked. Pity Wicked.

[Ben Mandel]

That's what, you know, that's what Lara said on. On Sex Unique podcast. She was. I just saw a clip of her which everyone should go listen to because we love Lars and Carrie. But she just had a clip up where she was like, I talked so much about Wicked that no one invited me to go see Wicked. And don't people realize that's funny when me talking shit about Wicked means I desperately want to go see Wicked.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh my God.

[Unknown]

I could reach out to her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, reach out to Lars in a while. Yeah, we. We needed little date. I haven't even seen her.

[Ben Mandel]

I haven't seen her since pre pandemic. I'm good.

[Unknown]

I don't even like you.

[Ronnie Karam]

What if she doesn't even like me now? I don't know.

[Ben Mandel]

Maybe not. But whatever I say, just reach out to her and I'm going to have the biggest fomo if you two go and see Wicked and I'm. I'm left out. I'm so mad already at this theoretical plan.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh. Well, we had friends giving at Ben's house last night, and it was amazing. It was so good, you guys. Ben is the new aa. I can't believe how far you've come with that cooking. It's gorgeous. That is photo worthy right there. That you. I took pictures of you dressing that turkey.

[Ben Mandel]

Oh, good.

[Ronnie Karam]

I forgot to take any photos on the oc like, doing people's hair and stuff. Except your housewife was a turkey.

[Ben Mandel]

I make so many. I make so many funny faces when I cut into a turkey. Anytime people show me pictures of me cutting into turkey, I like. I do these things. I curl my lower lip down. I'm like, my concentration face is wild. And so I'm excited to see what my. What sort of distorted faces I made cutting that turkey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was hard to get really good angles because, you know, there's so many people there, and I don't want to be like, move. Trying to get an angle, because I want stopping.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah. Well, I was really glad you came.

[Ronnie Karam]

In the off at the end of the night, but he told me, guys, I made some chocolate pecan pie, but I suggest you only have a tiny, tiny little sliver. And I was like, fuck off. Don't tell me what to do. Don't get between me and a pie. I was like, God, that was so violent. I was driving home and I was like, why'd you get so violent? But then I thought, cause he tried to get in between me and a pie. He's lucky he has a damn hand.

[Ben Mandel]

You were a hundred percent, 100% valid in your feelings. And everyone was very amused. No. And you made some great Mac and cheese. Ronnie is the Mac and cheese master. And you know what really makes me upset, Ronnie? At the end of the night, I was so full, I didn't even want to deal with gathering things together. And I think I forgot to save a little portion of your Mac and cheese for myself. And I'm really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, come on.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah. Because I was just. I don't know if you saw. I was, like, standing. I was. I honestly was like, I just want everyone to go, I'm so full. I'm so full. Like, my least favorite part about friendsgiving is the diving up at the leftovers at the end, because it takes a very long time. And at that point, I'm so full, I don't even want to look at the food. I Don't want to consider what I'm going to eat. I just want to, like, flop down somewhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandel]

So I'm like, whatever, you guys just take all the food. And then the next day I'm like.

[Unknown]

But I forgot to pack up the Mac and cheese.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I regretted a lot because I didn't take anything. I took a biscuit, but of course, I didn't even make it in the car ride. I ate the whole thing in two seconds. But, yeah, that was great. Today is the end. We'll probably talk about that Thanksgiving food and probably some Black Friday shopping on Amazon starting. So maybe we'll do that for the bonus, which will be coming up after this.

[Ben Mandel]

Yes, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

For right now, it's the end of an era. It's Real Housewives of Orange county reunion part three. The very end of season 18, episode 20. Great season. You know, big shockers at the end.

[Unknown]

Not really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not really, but they tried. They tried to sell it. You don't need this. You don't need this. Big shocker. No, it was good how it was. They're like, but absolutely Shannon to sob one more time. I was like, but she did sob at the end. It ended with her sobbing. Direct. No, we need Shannon to stop again.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah, it was. It was.

[Unknown]

It was a.

[Ben Mandel]

It was a very good final episode for the season. So we see all sorts of stuff. And Andy. So he turned into Todd.

[Ronnie Karam]

Andy.

[Ben Mandel]

He turned into Todd from Salt Lake City, by the way. Oh, wait. I have to say one thing. Last night, this has nothing to do with Orange county, but has to do with Salt Lake City. Since I just invoked it last night as I was full and getting into bed. I don't know why someone. Maybe it was Joe Gunn on Twitter. He tweeted something about Britney, Brittany Bateman from Salt Lake City. And I like, went down at Brittany Bateman Hole because you had mentioned, like, oh, I saw her sing and she's really good. So I was like, I want to see her singing. I found a video that she had posted that had 200 views to her four subscribers, and it was Britney as Pocahontas singing Colors of the Wind.

[Ronnie Karam]

Problematic. Is it problematic? Sure. But, you know, hey, same.

[Ben Mandel]

Same writer, Stephen Schwartz hits again. It's a big Stephen Schwartz.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really good with those ballads. He is really good songs. Not great, I have to say, but he's good with those soaring ballads for sure.

[Ben Mandel]

I have to say there's something about seeing Britney in like, a bit like, dressed, sort of like stereotypical indigenous person, like, with like a buckskin Kind of dress and the long black wig and the little feather in the hair. I was like, of course. Yeah, of course. This is like. Like Brittany Bateman as Pocahontas. I was like, what is this world?

[Ronnie Karam]

This is like colors of the wind. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Unknown]

I'm sorry, everybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

John has returned to me, everybody. John is official. John took me to Costco, and we are now official. Okay, back to the song.

[Unknown]

Have you ever seen the wolf cry at the blue corn moon? No, seriously. Have you? Because I haven't.

[Ben Mandel]

I wasn't invited.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have you ever seen an Osmond in.

[Unknown]

A Costco with a ring?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Britney. Just look up Britney. Miss Saigon. That's her Miss Saigon number.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah, I watched that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was really good. That was fun. It was good.

[Ben Mandel]

But Pocahontas, I really recommend it. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I've been a Stephen Schwartz star before. I don't know if you knew this about me, but I played the role of Adam in Children of Eden in Austin, Texas, and it was a banger. I mean, it was pretty good. I got to sing one of his soaring monologues and nailed it. I was a very bad actor, though, because I had to be serious.

[Ben Mandel]

I saw Stephen Schwartz actually perform Colors of the Wind because his daughter. I went to school with his daughter, and so he came to the school and he played it on the piano.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I will be playing. Really? That's actually pretty amazing.

[Ben Mandel]

It's amazing. And of course, I was like, you know, not. I mean, I'm friends. I mean, like, it wasn't like. I'm not. I'm not saying, oh, it's even Schwartz, But I was just like, I want to do something else right now. Meanwhile, it's like, you know, no one loves.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone comes in and starts playing the piano, and I'm one of the people who's learned how to play the piano. And I don't even put my friends through that. You know, I'm not gonna do that to you guys. Okay, you know what? We need to do this, because we're here for.

[Ben Mandel]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Housewives of Orange County. We're nine minutes in. Like, we're.

[Ben Mandel]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ronnie Karam]

Over. Okay, it's not over.

[Unknown]

Every single person in this cast has come up to me saying, I could never do what you're doing right now, which is where? Very tight Spanx. Andy. I am in pain. Honestly. Please, can we wrap this up?

Filming in this situation with Alexis Molino, and Alexis is like, well, you know what, Shannon? It's not easier for me to be in here.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, you did it. But you're the one who came here.

[Unknown]

Well, so did you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You could have easily not signed your contract. Fuck off, Alexis. I know, like, who's not going to sign their contract because you're coming to work. You're like a five minute housewife. Anyway, get out of here. And so Shannon's like, this is my job.

[Unknown]

I've been here for 10 years, Alexis.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's when Alexis is like, oh, well, I've been on TV for 15 years and five different shows, including Below Deck, including say yes to a Dress.

[Ben Mandel]

Including a gas pump at your local.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shell station, including Wicked Tuna.

[Unknown]

You are not on Wicked Tuna. John used to watch that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I stood in front of the TV while John watched it and I said, I'm a tuna. Do not try to catch me defying gravity, okay?

[Unknown]

It's not about tuna fish. Sing Wicked. Sit down, Alexis.

Andy, let me just say, no good deed goes unpunished. So Shannon's like, oh, so you're a TV star? Wow, that's right. In case you may have noticed, at self checkout in Target, they always put.

[Ben Mandel]

Me up on the TVs.

[Unknown]

That's the security monitor. And everyone Don does still counts.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been on Television for 15 years.

[Unknown]

I'm television's Frasier Crane.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sit down, Alexis. Sit your ass down. So then Shannon goes, oh, Heather, let's.

[Unknown]

Pull up our IMDb. And Heather's like, let's not throw shade at the IMDb.

[Ben Mandel]

IMDb is actually producing television programs now and I'm hoping to book one. So let's be very nice to the organization.

[Ronnie Karam]

But just so we're all clear, that was actress Heather Dubrow, showing that she has comedic range.

[Unknown]

Welcome to Happy's Place.

[Ben Mandel]

We call that a back call. So Shannon's like, oh, God.

[Unknown]

So Alexis, like, you are so bitter. To Shannon, Alexis. I don't want to talk about you anymore.

Seal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bitter.

[Ben Mandel]

You're so bitter.

[Unknown]

Alexis. I don't want to talk about you anymore. Get married. Congratulations. You guys are perfect for each other. You know what? Stop talking about me. You're obsessed with John.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one is obsessed with John, you weirdo. Except you. And you're the first and last person to be obsessed with John, okay?

[Unknown]

And Shannon's like, I do not talk about you. She goes, oh, then why does his.

[Ronnie Karam]

Name ever come out of your mouth? You don't need to talk about him. And Andy's like, well, if he's suing her.

[Ben Mandel]

Oh yeah?

[Unknown]

Well, she said his teeth and his bad knees that he can't walk upstairs.

[Ben Mandel]

And then he, like, she.

[Unknown]

And then. And then she zooms in on his shoes, like, get over us. Like, move on. And she's like, oh, no, no. They said that. All they said was that he has a bigger smile, and it was because of his new teeth.

[Ben Mandel]

And then we see the new teeth, at which point Emily goes, new teeth.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got new teeth, too. In my hip now. My hip eats tacos out of my purse.

[Unknown]

New hip eating tacos out of my purse. This just in my hip is a lawyer. And I passed the bar way faster than Shane ever did. New hip, legal hip.

So Alexis is like, well, maybe he's smiling because he's finally happy. Maybe that's why.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shannon's like, oh, my God.

[Unknown]

I got. I can't. I cannot. All right.

Shannon Hayden from the sewer, says Shannon, real well. Good to see he got out for a little bit of light. Says Shannon.

[Ben Mandel]

You said the most important thing to.

[Unknown]

John is people thinking he's a good guy. How do you think he coached Alexis into creating that narrative? Well, I would like Gina to answer that question because she said she talked to Alexis and said, I have my own relationship with John, and he didn't speak very kindly to me at this party. Could you please show the footage of John cursing off Gina one more time, just for old times sake?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see the flashback of John Jansen going, who the fuck does.

[Unknown]

She think she is? And Shannon being like, oh, okay, sweetie. Okay, be quiet. Mama will get you a new pair of shoes. I need you to smile more. John, would you like some new teeth?

[Ronnie Karam]

Vicki's like, I'm not doing it again. I'm not doing it again.

[Ben Mandel]

Okay, Never again. Never again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never again. Buy your own teeth, John. Good job.

[Ben Mandel]

So then we now it's time for some unseen footage where I guess Gina was talking to Alexis about this, this time when John said that. And Alexis is like, you know what, Gina? Even though I wasn't there yet, like.

[Unknown]

He had not eaten at all that day, and he was, like, very hungry. And, you know, like, now what? There's always someone out there protecting this man and saying how important he is.

Well.

Well, maybe that's because he's a good fucking guy. You ever think about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Of all the rumors we've heard of Jon Jansen on this show. We've heard of him drunk being dragged off of a golf course. We've heard him multiple. I mean, I could sit here for days. Not one single rumor was John Jansen. This guy. Literally nobody has ever said that except you and Shannon, when she was still under the spell of Al Gore, when she still thought that one of those hanging chads might turn and Al had a chance at the presidency, maybe, but that shit's over. Alexis. Nobody's ever said that before.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah. So we come back and Alexis is like, you know, when I first got.

[Unknown]

With Gian, like, Shannon, there were, like, so many negative things being said about him. And, like, I googled his name, but.

[Ben Mandel]

Like, once I feel in love, I, like, googled him.

[Unknown]

And, like, all the negative things that you lied about, like, they all, like, came out. And she was like, well, I, I never, I never said anything. I, I, I cried some things, but I never said anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes, well, ask him. Well, John's a liar, so why would we ask John anything anyway?

[Unknown]

And Shannon's like, in fact, I, I, I, I, I, I defended John. I defended John.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so we see a flashback to last season's reunion where Shannon's wig was about to walk away from her, for one thing. Yikes, that hair. And Heather was like, well, when Emily.

[Unknown]

Said, he called you a pig and said you were fat. And Shannon's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me just say, he would wake up. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And Heather's like, may I finish?

[Ronnie Karam]

May I finish?

[Unknown]

He was a pig.

[Ronnie Karam]

My turn.

[Ben Mandel]

Still me.

[Unknown]

Still me. I love her.

Still me.

[Ronnie Karam]

My turn, my turn.

[Unknown]

Well, when we slept together, and then.

[Ronnie Karam]

Andy's like, well, yeah, yeah, you did stand up for him. Yeah.

[Unknown]

And Gina's like, yeah, you've always standed up for him. Always.

[Ben Mandel]

I'm sorry. I'm just thinking about how I'm going to have to spend the next nine months randomly going, my turn, my turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

You've had your turn.

[Unknown]

Quit talking.

[Ben Mandel]

Still me. So, yeah, they were like, yeah, Shadow, you spent all of last season actually defending John. And, and Andy's like, yeah, she was.

[Unknown]

Defending him to the death. And when the other women were saying, this isn't good, you shouldn' in, and, like, it seemed like if you would forgive him that you confided in things, in all of them about your rel. I'm sorry. If you'll forgive me, it seems like you confided things about your relationship to all the women that you didn't want on the show. Is that correct? Well, the only thing that I confided with all these women is that I had a unhealthy relationship with buying Ferragamo.

Shoes for John Jansen. Couldn't stop doing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

All I said was that I buy him things. And I have the receipts. I have purses and purses full of receipts on paper, which is the only receipts that count.

[Ronnie Karam]

And does anyone need me.

[Ben Mandel]

I heard my buzzword. Does anyone need me to finish the phrase?

[Unknown]

And then what else? What else? Oh, and then you say, alexis. Oh, I keep getting shit on. How did you get shit on? How did I on you, Alexis. Now, not literally, because I probably did on some people in this season. We all know that I've had a rough season with my poo poo. Are we gonna have a segment about my poo poo? It's been years.

We need to do something. Shannon, this isn't about me, okay? I'm in the middle of this because you. Because of the lies you keep on continuing. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't understand what her lies are. Listen here, sister, I'm a lawyer.

[Unknown]

I want to talk to her. And Emily, you need to be out.

She's like, really? Because you get to butt in all the time with your. Not size 12.

But nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

I'd like to speak to her. Well, I need to speak with Shannon alone.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I need to speak with.

[Unknown]

Her as kind of my job. And she's like, well, we did have forensic accounting, and you did not pay for everything, Shannon. We had the numbers. So if you'd like to bring yours. I have the numbers, Shannon. I have the numbers.

Oh, well, then I will compare my numbers with John's numbers. No, I have the numbers, though. Of every year, the 365 days.

[Ben Mandel]

Like me had to do it, Alexis.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's not really interested in suing Shannon for a second time, even though she had nothing to do with the first time, even though there's proof that she did and she has no desire to sue her for the second time, even though she's collecting evidence for 365 days and hiring forensic accountants with John. You fucking liar, Alexis. Just go away, you sad fucking woman. I can't wait to watch you just fade the fuck out. I don't mean death. I mean a nice long life in Orange county of being ignored, okay?

[Unknown]

And I hope they keep checking in.

[Ronnie Karam]

On you every 10 years and you're not a smaller and smaller house and your wigs get cheaper and cheaper until you're just all shriveled up and you got nothing left. You've got the worst karma of anybody I've ever seen. And that's saying something. It's been a rough few months over here. Fuck off, lady.

[Ben Mandel]

And then when you walk into Trader Joe's with your hair all tangled up and people look at you, they'll say, that woman there, you know, she used to be a trampoline park owner. Yeah. I also love how she's saying, like.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I don't want to be in.

[Ben Mandel]

The middle of the Shannon. And then she's like, I have all the numbers. It's like, you actually have. You deeply want to be in the middle of it. And I, I, okay, I, I love to blame the man for everything, and I completely blame John Jansen for this whole thing. But, like, the fact that it did not become litigious until Alexis came into the picture makes me do a little side eye towards her a bit, I have to say. And then later on, when John jumping way, way ahead, when John's saying, like, he only will show these incriminating videos to Shan, the only personal show. And Alexis pipes and goes, and only if I'm in the room, I'm like, I think we all know who that, like, Alexis is. Like, behind closed doors, she's like, you.

[Unknown]

Know what, Gianni Jensen, I don't like.

[Ben Mandel]

The way that she's talking about you. And I think that, like, you need to sue her. You should see her, because it's not right, John. I think that she is a voice in his ear. I want to put all the, I do put like 99% of the blame on him, but I think that, that Alexis should not be discounted in this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Ultimately the blame is him because it's him doing it, but it's him doing, you know, you know, for her to be like, what? This is crazy.

[Unknown]

I just happened to come back on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your show and happened to start dating your guy and happened to start attacking it. You know, like, even if, even if she's saying that Tamra didn't bring her on the show or whatever they're going without. Which we find out the trut today, which is even weirder, or I wouldn't call it the truth. But they. We find out that Emily. Tamara's like, you're the one who brought her on the show. And Emily's like, no, I regret it. So that's coming up later. But no matter what it was, she still was like, oh, that guy used to date Shannon from Real Housewives. And I'm meeting him inside the Quiet Woman. I'm totally going to date that guy to try and get back on the show. You're just so transparent, you know? Like, I can't.

[Unknown]

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[Ben Mandel]

So then Alexis, like John, spent $350,000 on this relationship before he even paid the 75,000 loans. And so Andy's like, well then why.

[Ronnie Karam]

Didn'T he refer more $350,000. He lives in a shoebox. What? 350 on what? Where's your receipts? Ms. I've bags and bags of receipts Go ahead. You've been doing forensic accounting for 365 days. Where is it?

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah. And Alexis is like, well, he only wants the loan back.

[Unknown]

He's not, he's not going to try to go tit for tat for what he bought.

[Ben Mandel]

This is the definition of tip for time.

[Unknown]

Did she mention that? Did she mention that he wants his tits back?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, give him those.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandel]

You cannot say he wants to. He wants money back for plastic surgery and say it's not literally tit for tat.

[Ronnie Karam]

He bought her tits and offered to buy her tat.

[Unknown]

So Gina's like, so why didn't he take the offer? And she was like, well, when I wrote him the money, like, why didn't you take it?

[Ben Mandel]

And Alexis is like, well, you did not.

[Unknown]

First of all, you didn't offer it. That's like another, another lie that you're doing.

[Ben Mandel]

Everyone's like, what are you talking about, Alexis?

[Ronnie Karam]

It doesn't even make any sense. And Emily's like, how is that another lie? She offered the full amount.

[Unknown]

I'm a lawyer.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Alexa's like, no, you offered 15,000 with a three.

[Unknown]

Something like it was a three year payment plan.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shannon's. Emily just starts yell across the room.

[Unknown]

Loans are paid back and payment plan.

[Ben Mandel]

It's such a. It's such a ridiculous thing for Alexis to state that. Even Katie, like, powers on for a moment and goes, are all loans paid.

[Unknown]

Back in payment plans in the legal system?

[Ben Mandel]

Okay, back to golf.

[Ronnie Karam]

And J's like, I don't know.

[Unknown]

I don't know because I'm not.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one's paying me back on loans, so what do I know?

[Ben Mandel]

They're just in their own corner. They're like, the storm has passed for them and now they can just enjoy it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jen so funny to me. And the thing is she never even tries, you know, she's just a cat.

[Ben Mandel]

Jen is great.

[Unknown]

Tease me back. It's really sad. I'll tell you what, if I ever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Got a payment plan, I'd say, thank you so much.

[Unknown]

Payment plan.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandel]

Jen is. Jen is wonderful. I feel like, well, when the crappies come around, obviously it's. The public is going to winnow down the group, but I feel like Jen is going to get a Bravo Liberty of the Year nomination.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hope so.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah. I'm not saying I'm going to influence the vote, but people, you should vote for her.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're an influencer. I'll give you $10 to talk about my coffee, my Starbucks. I just. My Ronnie Bucks that I Just made. Why am I unpacking Amazon packages while we're recording? I'm so sorry. You know, have you ever heard the term, if you see it, you'll eat it? That's true, by the way. I did learn that. I'm sorry to bring up Weight Watchers again. I won't talk about it at length. But that just means if you have food, don't leave it on your counter. If you have candy and you leave it on the counter, you're going to eat it, you're going to see it.

[Ben Mandel]

And you're going to eat it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I have an Amazon package on my desk and I'm eating it? No, I'm unpacking it. Okay. Point is, if a tree falls in the woods, who's going to open my Amazon packages for me.

[Ben Mandel]

At an even larger question is, have. Have you ever seen a wolf cry at the blue corner?

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that fucking song. Okay, so Emily, she offered a full amount.

[Unknown]

And Shannon's like, why don't you look at the emails? Apparently you're a business. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you too busy shooting television shows for 15 years? Liar. Flipping. I'm sorry, I meant to say flipping. That's my word. I would never say the F word. To me, the F word is flipping.

All right, well, Alexis Charmin from Paper Towels says, when you posted your engagement.

[Ben Mandel]

Announcement on social media, there was a.

[Unknown]

Photo that appeared to have lemons in a bowl in the background. And then John seemed to be wearing Ferragamos, and there was a big banner in the background that said, Shannon Bedor. Why would you go out of your way to be so petty and take a dig at Shannon?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see a flashback. Don, ti don, ti don. And it s Shannon going, david, David.

[Unknown]

David, there are lemons in the refrigerator, David, why can't I use these lemons from the bowl? Those are feng shui lemons, David. They need to be nine lemons in there at all times. Why are you running? Why are you running? Why are you running towards that blonde woman? David, get back here. Put that lemon back.

[Ben Mandel]

Alexis is like, I don't even know.

[Unknown]

What the lemons even mean. Like, he's got like five to ten fury gamos. Like, I don't see what the big deal is to be out of any of this. So Sharon's like, well, he should buy some new shoes. And by the way, Heather, they were not on sale. They were like $895.

[Ben Mandel]

She's like, I still me. It was my interview. I just googled it.

[Ronnie Karam]

My Turn.

[Ben Mandel]

My turn. May I say. May I respond now? Is it my turn to respond? My turn. I Googled it. That was the price. Still me of when I looked at it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Alexis is like, but, Shannon.

[Unknown]

I bought him $800 shoes, too. And I don't sit there and talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

About what I bought from you just did, first of all. And second of all, why is everybody buying John thousand dollar shoes? And you guys, thank you with this. Fuck this guy.

[Ben Mandel]

The point is, it's not about like, that. Shannon's bragging about this. She is supporting her case that she bought a lot of shit for John. And then when John buys something for her, he all of a sudden wants the money back, and it's tacky.

[Ronnie Karam]

How stupid is Alexis to say that on national TV when, you know, Jim Bolino is standing over there with a little notebook in his hand like, oh, she spent 800 on shoes for. Did she? But Mark. Mark, yeah. I hope he takes that to court and gets her money taken away.

[Ben Mandel]

Well, Alexis is like, I bought him $800 shoes. And Kitty goes, they weren't on sale.

[Unknown]

Oh, really? Well, he didn't even know what Ferraga Ferragamo was before he met me. He said, the Hulk makes shoes. I said, no, that's blue for bringing out. God damn it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also, Shannon really needs to stop with the lemons, because I think they're calling the wrong things into her life. Like, she's creatively visualizing this perfect feng shua. But you're using lemons as an example, and you've. You've dated two now. Okay, let's just get the lemons out.

[Ben Mandel]

I think the feng shui is not working. I think someone put it in upside down.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's fun. I never know.

[Ben Mandel]

I don't know. Fen. I think it's actually Fen. Is it Fen? I don't know. Either way, whatever it is, it's not working out.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's probably like Phil Schwein.

[Ben Mandel]

She. She crossed. She crossed the wires a little bit. Needs to. What you gotta do is. It's like a car battery. You gotta put the one cable into this side and the one cable into that side. If you do it the wrong way, you'll get a spark and explode. And she. She just plugged it in all wrong, so she has to take it down and redo it because it's all out of order. Is your dump truck here, Ronnie? Ronnie's expecting a dump truck.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just another. Just a normal.

[Ben Mandel]

Ronnie's expecting a visual metaphor. A visual metaphor of Alexis Blino to Arrive anytime.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's why I keep talking about taking out the trash and using Alexis. It's. Yeah, it's an actual dump truck. So I don. Are moving cars. I hear beeping. I hear things. I don't know. So let's see. So then she's like, oh, really? Well, where's the $10,000 necklace? In the Louis Vuitton. She's not scrutinizing. And she's like, he did not buy.

[Unknown]

Me a $10,000 necklace. How dare you? She's like, aha. We have it in the account. We have it. We have it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hate being put in the middle of this. Which is why I'm saying we, because it's my account too. We have it, Shannon.

[Unknown]

We have it.

He gave me a shitty necklace from something called the Prism Collection. I don't even know what that is.

[Ben Mandel]

Sandy is like, you're about them.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is Lisa Barlow. You're welcome for the gift. Okay.

[Unknown]

All right. Well, Elphaba from Oz says, Heather, last year, you threw John. You through? John just wanted to be in the spotlight.

[Ben Mandel]

Do you still feel or you said.

[Unknown]

That John just wants to be in the spotlight. Do you still feel that way since he is again, dating someone on camera?

[Ronnie Karam]

My turn. Excuse me.

[Unknown]

I'm still speaking. Well, do I think that he wants to be in the spotlight? Was that your question? Is that the question? Do we have that clear?

My turn.

I'm speaking, please.

Okay. You have the floor.

Yes, I do think that he wants.

[Ronnie Karam]

To be in the spotlight.

[Unknown]

Thank you for asking and finally letting me answer.

All right, well, we interviewed John and Alexis this season, and I want to.

[Ben Mandel]

Share his thoughts on a couple of these topics.

[Unknown]

Here is what John had to say about his relationship with Alexis.

[Ben Mandel]

Then we see them sitting there. She is dressed like Lady Bird Johnson, and he's there, like, in midlife crisis outfit.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like 100% sitting there like, I'm here to support my husband, the president, against these horrible allegations.

[Ben Mandel]

So he's like, I want everyone to know our relationship is real. It happened organically. I saw her giant boobs, and I just wanted to motor road her all night long. As someone who owns a boat, it was nice to actually be the boat.

[Ronnie Karam]

I saw her completely non organic. Everything but the love happened organically. Okay.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like. And I was single. I was single a year before we met. And Shannon's like.

[Unknown]

I'm sorry, I don't have a paper bag to breathe into, so I'm just gonna use Gina's dress. Gina. Oh, My God, is this polyurethane? I can't. I can't. Does anybody have something I can breathe into?

Too many toxins from Gina's rest. Oh, God. Oh, God. Gina, I'm just gonna cut your hand until it turns blue.

Am I growing polyester out of my ears? Gina, get that away from me.

[Ben Mandel]

So we go back to the video, and that's Alexis being like, you know, although other people have other things to.

[Unknown]

Say, we know the truth.

[Ben Mandel]

The truth is out there. Just follow. Do your research. So then John is like. And we weren't looking. I wasn't looking either. I. I just want to be single. And then I just saw two very big, round, plump orbs bouncing around in the quiet woman. And I said, the search is over. You were with me all along.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought, there's a woman who will probably go to two churches with me instead of just one. Let's make this happen. Never forget that. Oh, we go to two churches now. That's right.

[Unknown]

We go to service at his, and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Then we go to service at mine too. Oh, yeah, we're super good Christians.

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah, because, like, one was, like, the rock and roll church, Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, they're just so Jesusy that they need two churches. They're that much better than everybody else.

[Ben Mandel]

You know, these last several months with Alexis have taught me if we can make it through all of the chaos and negativity that people are throwing at us, we can still motorboat.

[Unknown]

Wow. Well, that's exciting, because he told me that too. Well, he didn't say motorboat. He said, I can paddle if I really wanted to. So that's great. She upgraded to a motorboat. This is not hilarious. Dying slowly over here. If anybody wants to see an incredible shrinking woman, she's over here.

If anyone wants to find out about the ending of Wicked, here I am melting in water. Just drop a house on me too. Why don't you do all the things you do to the witches? Just. I'll take it.

Oh, what, are we gonna move the house?

[Ronnie Karam]

Once you see my shoes. Were we see my shoes, will you be stealing my shoes?

[Unknown]

We might as well start calling Alexis Dorothy, because apparently she likes to steal shoes and use them for her own purposes.

Loves to hang around with a little bitch. Tell Toto hi.

That slut took a tin ban on a scarecrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Andy's like, so there's a narrative.

[Unknown]

Online that you were dating John to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get back on the show, and she was like, mm, mm.

[Unknown]

Well, you know, I'm in the middle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of that, but still, you Know, I have Internet. It's our Internet. My Internet.

[Unknown]

Johnny J's. We have the same Internet.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I was like, wow.

[Unknown]

John was texting me he loved me two months before he met you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see a text from John Jansen to Shanoni Bononi Bedori 9 19, 20, 23. And it says, I'm sorry I've upset you. Not my intent. I hope you can get some rest and I'll see you plenty tomorrow. I love you Greater, less than 3. Which means heart.

[Ben Mandel]

I love you less than 3% of my heart.

[Ronnie Karam]

Knowing him, he put that in there so he could be like, it says less than three, Shannon.

[Ben Mandel]

Or he's saying, tomorrow you get to eat a number three Little Pac Man.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've got a number three in my purse. Oh, Jesus Christ. How many.

[Unknown]

How many tacos can that woman fit in one bag?

No, three.

[Ben Mandel]

So Andy is like.

[Unknown]

He's like, well, so you said he was single for a year. Is that what. Is that what he said? And Alexis is like, you know, he admitted it. And by the way, like, being friends with benefits, like, that's okay. Like, you were a friend with benefits. It's fine. I'm like, okay with that. Like, my benefit is that I have free access to trampoline parks.

Wait, you were single for a year?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Alexa's like, friends with benefits. Just move on from it.

[Unknown]

She.

[Ronnie Karam]

And just move on.

[Unknown]

And she, wow, we got back together, didn't we? She goes, who cares, Shannon? Nothing matters. Except for 11-8-18th.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emily's like, they were a relationship for five years. You can't say they were friends with benefits under five years.

[Unknown]

They weren't lawyers.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I'm a lawyer.

[Unknown]

You were not in a.

[Ben Mandel]

You were not in a relationship for five years. Okay, he broke up with you.

[Unknown]

Like, I think, like, within the first.

[Ben Mandel]

Six months of you guys dating. And it's just all been a fiat ever since then. That's what he told me.

[Unknown]

J was like, no, he was like, texting her, I love you.

[Ben Mandel]

It's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I asked him the day because I knew you were going to see this.

[Unknown]

And she was like, wait, how do you know everything that happened before you were the aunt.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she was like, well, he broke.

[Unknown]

Up with you the day after Thanksgiving, 2022.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I got. Also a classy guy. I love that Alexis. Keep thinking. Keeps thinking. She's bringing all this evidence. I also bought him thousand dollar shoes. Also, he dumped you the day after Thanksgiving. Is this supposed to be making him look better? You're just making him look more and more shitty, you know?

[Ben Mandel]

I know were.

[Unknown]

And then Gina's like, oh, you're a time traveler. She's a time traveler.

[Ben Mandel]

I'm like, but that doesn't really make sense. But that's.

[Unknown]

Could you go back and ask me to change my confessional dress from the season? Actually, probably three of them. I would appreciate that.

Wow. Where we're going, we don't even need roads because we are time travel. And actually with this group, it's probably good.

[Ben Mandel]

We don't need roads.

[Unknown]

Shannon, you drunk drove the time machine. How do we end up here? Oh, God, I've got a scarlet letter on me. This is ridiculous.

Oh, God. David Bedor is the king of a gambling empire now.

[Ben Mandel]

Huh? David before Fedora is her Biff.

[Unknown]

If Barney eats one more chip in front.

Hey, Shannon, how you doing over there?

[Ronnie Karam]

The lemons from the bowls.

[Ben Mandel]

David Bedor's like, dear I hate manure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Federal horse poop.

[Ben Mandel]

Is that. Isn't that like Biff's big thing? I hate manure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, right. I don't remember Barney Rubble. Sounds like Barney Rubble have to do with manure.

[Ben Mandel]

I'm going down a path I really shouldn't be going down. We've got work to do. We got work to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shannon's like, we got back together in April. And Alexis like, Andy, Andy.

[Unknown]

They can all not all three king up on me. This is between us and I'm not taking a three gang upon. Okay?

[Ben Mandel]

I love that three gang up on.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes, bullies. Tweedledee and Tweedle Thumb can move away and let me handle it. Now Emily doesn't even care that she was just called a bully. She goes, you know what?

[Unknown]

Don't you ever call me dumb.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a smart bully. You dumb.

[Unknown]

You're dumb.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're the dumbest girl I've ever seen. I've never met someone as dumb as you my entire live.

[Ben Mandel]

It's. When does someone break the news to Emily that Tweedle Dum is actually part of is a? Is a is a proper name. It's not actual D, M, B. But the fact that you say that, like with the fact that she projects the dumb onto the Tweedle Dum is kind of the dumbest thing you can do.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can add a be if I want to. I.

[Unknown]

Don'T you ever call me a Tweedle either, while we're at it?

[Ben Mandel]

No, but I think she was just looking for an excuse to go at Alexis because like she said Tweedledum and it like takes a few seconds. Emily's Just sitting there, and she's like, wait a second.

[Unknown]

This is a way in. Don't you ever fucking call me dumb. I've got a new hip. Do dumb people get new hips? No, they stick with their old ones. It's called updating for the future, you dumb bitch horse.

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

How can I be a dumb? How can I be dumb when I have a smart hip? I get Bluetooth on this thing.

[Unknown]

Hold on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop playing.

[Unknown]

Stop playing. Not right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Now it's going off again. Please, no one say our word.

[Ben Mandel]

Her hip is just like. The temperature is 85 degrees.

[Unknown]

Quiet. I didn't ask you.

Excuse me, hip. Can you please bring me receipts for John Jansen?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry, I cannot do that while you're driving.

[Unknown]

I'm not driving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please blow into this.

[Unknown]

Oh, God damn it.

It's hip to be square.

[Ronnie Karam]

A Bluetooth hip with Sirians side commercials.

[Unknown]

Here comes one right now.

Etsy knows these aren't the sounds of holiday gifting. Oh. Or.

[Ben Mandel]

Ah.

[Unknown]

Okay, thank you. Well, they're not the sounds you're hoping for. You want squeals of delight like this.

[Ben Mandel]

Ooh.

[Unknown]

And spontaneously written songs of joy. I am so happy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Emily's like, you're an idiot. Don't call me dumb.

[Unknown]

And Shannon goes, oh, you are an idiot. You don't even know what a complaint is. Is.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emily's like, you. You're the dumbest girl I've ever met.

[Unknown]

She goes, oh, what, are you gonna hit me now?

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm like, no, I don't want to hit you.

[Ben Mandel]

That she tried to pull what Tam Tamara did before on their vacation. She's like, she's just gonna, like, gaslight violence into it.

[Unknown]

Oh, okay, well, you know what? Don't. Don't hit me. Ow.

[Ben Mandel]

You just hit me.

[Unknown]

She's like. I'm like, didn't even literally hit you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is so pathetic. She's just coming up with random lies now.

[Unknown]

I never lie, Andy. I never Lied.

[Ben Mandel]

Alexis is like, I'm not dumb, okay?

[Unknown]

I graduated with a degree also, baby cakes. And I was like, shut up. And she was, oh, really? Where'd you grow? Where'd you graduate from? University of slot. And Alexis is like, I know I graduated with a degree, so you can shush it because I have a degree. Oh, actually, sorry, degree deodorant.

[Ben Mandel]

I own degree deodorant.

[Unknown]

And Emily's like, what degree?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because I know a lot of dumb people with a college education. And Andy's like, I just want to.

[Unknown]

Have Shannon and Alexis respond to this. So Al Gore, Al Snor says that he was single for a year. And she was like, right, well, we broke up after Thanksgiving today. After the day after. That's what I said. Alexis, November 22, Alexis, there was turkey served. Well, I just, I don't remember. I don't.

I have a degree. I have a degree in post Thanksgiving date.

[Ben Mandel]

So don't try to even come for me with this. Don't do a three person gang on.

[Unknown]

So then Shannon's like, okay, well, we still did things. We still went on trips together. We did things together. We would go buy Ferragamo shoes together, mainly for him. He would go to Costa Mesa and I would show up and I'd be like, how much do you need, sweetie? And he'd be like, get me five. And I'm like, okay, this is a gift for me. Don't worry, you never have to pay me back because that's how I am. And then we would have sex afterwards.

But not in a relationship, I guess.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she says that they even went to the Family Feud weekend together when the OC Housewives rather. But that's serious. That's really serious.

[Ben Mandel]

That's what he.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm wondering if this was the trip where she went and took the whole family and they stayed in the London Hotel or whatever. But she like, it probably was.

[Ben Mandel]

Also, by the way, is Family Feud just destroying relationships on Bravo? You know, Summer House went on there. Carl and Lindsay D Done. Vanderpump Rules go on there. Sandoval Ariana. Need I say more? And now we have Shannon and John Jensen. Family Feud is truly living up to its name. All this time we thought it was just this fun show. Steve Harvey. But I would like to see. I would like to do some forensic accounting on all these nameless families that come through and see how many of them are still together. Because I guarantee you, based on the Bravo track record, all these families have been destroyed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Definitely a show where you really realize how much you hate the other person. You're like, wow. Wow. I always thought he was kind of down, but, God, he's a fucking idiot.

[Ben Mandel]

Exactly. Because, you know. You know, there's, like. When you. When you get to that bonus round and you wind up with only 188 points out of 200, it's like, why did you answer turkey for the question? For your favorite type of car.

[Ronnie Karam]

Favorite type of car. Exactly.

[Ben Mandel]

Name an airline.

[Ronnie Karam]

Divorce.

[Ben Mandel]

Name an airline that you wouldn't want to find yourself on. It's like cherry pie. It's like, what?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I'm sorry. Can I take that back?

[Unknown]

Mustache.

[Ronnie Karam]

Survey says you're a fucking moron.

[Unknown]

Can't believe you have a wife. Please leave.

[Ronnie Karam]

So a picture of Shannon and John from that weekend. That weekend at Family Feud appears on.

[Unknown]

The screen, and they look so happy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And cuts back to Alexis, and she.

[Unknown]

Goes, yeah, okay, but did he ever ask you to be his girlfriend?

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're like, oh, my God. What are you, fine?

[Ben Mandel]

Even Tamara is like, whatever you in kindergarten.

[Unknown]

And so, Alexis, I'm gonna tell my therapist that tomorrow.

[Ben Mandel]

So Alexis is like, you know what?

[Unknown]

I broke up with my ex. And also, we, like, kept on talking.

[Ben Mandel]

For, like, a few months, too.

[Unknown]

So, like, because you. Because you do love somebody, and, like, you just don't get over people that fast. You just don't get over it. I mean, like, free access to a trampoline park. It's hard to give that up. So there is, like, a breakup time. Doesn't mean you're still together, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. But they were taking trips together, and they're.

[Ben Mandel]

They were going to Family Feud together.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's texting her, I love you. I think you were the other woman, Alexis. I think he was kind of doing you both.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Okay, I. I'm sorry, but do you say. Do you send a text late at night that says, survey says I love you to someone you're not dating? I don't think so.

Survey says Southwest. The question was, what kind of cat would you fly to Vegas if you had the opportunity?

We. We were talking about that Family Feud weekend at Thanksgiving, and I was laughing about how I. I really messed up that bonus round. And then John turned to me and said, maybe you wouldn't have messed it up if you weren't such a mean person.

[Ben Mandel]

And we broke up the next day.

[Unknown]

Really did destroy our relationship.

And Shannon's like, But we were being intimate. And by intimate, I mean I was buying him shoes. He was sticking his pe. Listen to them, and then he was calling me fat in the morning.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emma was like, yo, how are you, Tamra? How are you even friends with this woman? And Tamara's like, she's got a big, hot.

[Unknown]

Really, really huge. It's that big.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emily's like, no, she doesn't.

[Unknown]

She does. She does. It's just this John step.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a. She's a idiot.

[Unknown]

Tamara, you're friends with her?

[Ronnie Karam]

We were socially friends.

[Unknown]

You're the one who brought her on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, well, I regret it. So we find out it was Emily. I don't think so, because we've never heard that before. And even I think she was just the one who was saying on the show, like, oh, I brought Alexis back on. Right? Yeah.

[Ben Mandel]

I don't know. That was a. That was a surprise to me. I thought it was Tamara that brought her back.

[Unknown]

I don't remember.

[Ben Mandel]

I have to go back.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it's Tamara. But then Tamara said it wasn't, and she said it was Heather. Right? Wasn't it Heather who got her on?

[Ben Mandel]

Oh, I don't know. I think Heather probably advocated for Heather. Probably liked it. But, I mean, Emily said. Emily just said.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right here.

[Ben Mandel]

She said, yeah, I brought it. I brought her on. I mean, yeah, but I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

If she actually brought her on or if she was just, like, the one who. You know, they always thought. It's like, this is my friend.

[Unknown]

Huh?

[Ben Mandel]

Right? Yeah. So Heather goes. Heather shushes them. Quiet. My turn.

[Unknown]

Learn to listen.

[Ben Mandel]

So Andy's like, alexis, okay, hold up.

[Unknown]

If you're single for a year, you're not gonna. And you're not going on trips with.

[Ben Mandel]

Your ex and being intimate. No.

[Unknown]

Andy, you can. Okay, we surveyed 100 people, and there was only one correct answer.

[Ben Mandel]

The answer is, survey says single.

[Unknown]

Oh, but after four years, you're not friends with benefits, though. And Tamara's like, yeah, well, he picked her up in jail and took care of her for 10 days after. Look at that. For Shannon. Is it okay, America, Forg me. America, I'm a good.

Forgive me, America, forgive me. I did also mention once again, that Shannon went to jail. Stupid. She went to jail.

I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it.

Okay, the dy. Okay, the dui. So Snuggles from the bear says, what exactly is Shannon doing to John that is so bad that it's ruining his reputation?

[Ben Mandel]

What am I missing?

[Unknown]

You keep speaking in code. Yeah, that's a good question.

Snuggles, no codes. Well, 5,000, 972 star. Was that an actual code? Was she asking for my door code? No. Why are you speaking in codes? I don't know what you mean. Well, Shannon knew it was alone. That's one thing that she did. Okay, so it's just about this lawsuit. Well, no, no, no. Lying. Because she lied, and she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

She never knew it was alone.

[Unknown]

That's number one. Okay? And then lying. Lying, because though he paid or she paid for everything. Lying that he paid. You know what I'm saying?

I don't. I don't. I don't know how that's hurting John, though. It's just.

And then when you go through receipts.

[Ronnie Karam]

And John spent almost half a million dollars in the. Okay, so now it's half a million dollars in their relationship.

[Unknown]

360. But that's. Okay, that's. No, I have it. It's 383. 380,000 plus 75,000.

[Ben Mandel]

Plus another 200,000 for storytelling purposes.

[Unknown]

And he's like, all right, okay, well, so stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is she talking about? If John had any money, sh. Wouldn't have shown up wearing a Ziploc bag as a weave last year. Okay? Sean did not have any money. You're never going to get me to believe otherwise. I do not believe you, ma'am. I will not.

[Unknown]

From Barry says Tennessee. Why did you assume these lump sums were gifts? They seemed incredibly generous when given how contentious your relationship seemed to. Are you just using so many selection eyeballs to confuse me? Because I'm gonna need a moment.

We were still together then. Okay, let me explain this by putting my hands forward like I'm catching rain. And then I'm gonna open them wide so the rain goes through my hands, then close them back again. Okay? And then I'm gonna sort of scoop it all towards you with my hands. All right, so we were still together then. And that was midway through. And Alexa's like, okay, well, you know what? Your hand movements are very scary to me, okay? And by the way, like, one of those loans or you were together and, like, one of them, you were broken up.

She's like, oh, zip your flipping mouth. Zip your flipping mouth.

Okay, I'm not going to do a three person gang on. I'm not going to do a three person gang on.

All right, let her speak. Excuse me?

Not you, Heather. My turn. We're literally not talking about you. You already. You already attacked Katie pretty savagely last time.

[Ben Mandel]

My turn.

[Unknown]

Still me.

Well, why are you saying that?

[Ronnie Karam]

To let her speak. You don't do that for me.

[Unknown]

Andy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I was like, jesus Christ, are.

[Unknown]

You friends with her? And I'm just like, well, I'm gonna do it for both you then, Alexis. Okay, okay. So you thought they were gifts. You were together and sh. Like. Well, in my belief, it was just. He had sold a sliver of. He owned a sliver of a percentage of his company. So he was the largest owner.

[Ronnie Karam]

Alexis, he's rich.

[Unknown]

Let us speak. Well, oh, my God. He wasn't the largest owner. Everyone else got 55 million and he got 5.

[Ben Mandel]

Okay, let. Alexis just. Just let her talk. You got. My turn.

[Unknown]

Let her talk.

[Ben Mandel]

Let her talk. She's like, sorry. Shannon's like, sorry. So Alexa's like, you don't even know. You just want it.

[Unknown]

You. All you want to do is just say these things. Alexis, let her speak.

God damn.

Like, we just had this conversation. I'm gonna let you speak.

Oh, my God, have you even been together a year? Because every detail I know about John. And she's like, well. Well, we've seen each other's bank accounts forensically. Oh, geez. That's a mistake.

That's a mistake.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just saying.

[Unknown]

I'm saying it quietly because I'm a therapy now, kind of be. I'm in pre therapy right now.

Okay? We're getting married, so you can just, like, butt out or so just move on. There's the. The stage door. Shannon. Bedor. And there's the camera. Tamra. And there's a feather.

[Ben Mandel]

Heather.

[Unknown]

Okay, I'm gonna roll now. Hey. And there's a. There's a lady. Katie. And there's a. Oh, God. Okay, you could do Emily. You could do it. There's a. There's a copy of. There's a VHS copy of the movie Amelie. Emily. Okay, who's left? Okay. Jen. Hey. Hey, there's a. Hey, there's a pig pen. Jen. And there's a. Huh?

My favorite plant is a fern. My turn now. Loved it.

She was like, I feel bad I didn't get one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, we forgot you were there, Gina.

[Unknown]

So let me understand. I understand that she's dating John, right? I get it. But she did have a long relationship with John. Like, she had. She had not one minute to be sed. You know, like I said, shannon, have you had a chance to feel bad? And she said, no. I said, have you had a chance to feel sed? And she said, know. I said, you know what? I feel so bad and so sand. And she said, thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, and then watching that montage.

[Unknown]

Of how happy you Guys are and all of that. It's, like, very difficult for her, and it would be very difficult for anybody. Okay, look at poor, poor Shannon over here. Shannon. Look at her. Droopy, sad makes up running down her face. Nobody knows who did a hair today.

[Ronnie Karam]

A shoe.

[Unknown]

She's missing a shoe. She's missing a tooth. I'm not missing a tooth. Well, kind of.

[Ronnie Karam]

In my.

[Unknown]

My head, when I think back on you, I always think of you kind of toothless. Is that weird?

I. I may be homeless, but I'm not toothless. Like. Okay, well, Andy, I think the best thing that we have to do to save this relationship going forward, I think.

[Ben Mandel]

We should build a wall in the middle of this sets.

[Unknown]

Anyone mind if I divide the set.

[Ben Mandel]

In half with the wall?

[Unknown]

I feel bad.

I feel bad. There's gonna be a curtain right here. My kids are going to be living on the other side of that. No minds, right?

[Ben Mandel]

Alexis, did you hear what Gina said? Did you just finally get through to you? Alexis is like, yes.

[Unknown]

All right. And that's. I was surprised. I did not think you were gonna say yes. Also, Emily, what is your take on.

[Ben Mandel]

The promissory note that John gave? Does it technically make it a loan?

[Unknown]

Oh, no. Attorney at law speaking. You can't send a promissory after the fact. It can't be retroactive. Then we would all do that. The only way you could make that work would be if you had a time machine.

1.1 gigawatts. I feel bad, by the way.

You'll get it back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Alexis is like, john sent me a text.

[Unknown]

I sent the loan documents the next day.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we see a text from John. And it's like, I sent you a simple loan document. And Shannon wrote back, I sent you.

[Unknown]

A heartfelt email the other night and would like for us to come to a resolution. And the next day, she answered. And I've seen it with my own eyes. And it said, I sent you a heartfelt email. And then says, this is not a business transaction, John.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a loan between a girlfriend and boyfriend of two and a half years. And then we see the email, the.

[Unknown]

Bombshell email from Shannon on the screen saying, thank you for wiring me the money this afternoon. Your generosity is greatly appreciated. I don't know what to say about your request for me to sign a promissory note, something that was never discussed. And I'm caught off guard by the timing. I don't need to pay an installment.

[Ben Mandel]

So it sounds like it was not acknowledged to be alone when she received it. Because she's like, what a promise.

[Ronnie Karam]

She literally said something that was never discussed, and I'm caught off guard by the timing, so. And then she said, you just proved her point, Alexis, you big, dumb fucking monster.

[Ben Mandel]

Yes. And then Shannon continues to write.

[Unknown]

I am incredibly insulted, not, not necessarily by you, but by the fact that they added oat milk to my latte. I am anti Otis, as we all know. And the addition of 10% interest rate on this promissory note and a $50 lead fee leaves me speechless. Hash.

Varing.

Amos. Hash. Look down at your feet. Hashtag. That was me who did that. So this is not a business transaction. This is a loan between a girlfriend and a boyfriend of two and a half years.

[Ben Mandel]

So it's, like, clear that the proof.

[Ronnie Karam]

Has changed to prove that Shannon did.

[Unknown]

Acknowledge that it was alone.

[Ben Mandel]

So, like, I. In my mind, she probably never thought this was going to turn into a legal situation. So when she said, this is a loan between a girlfriend and a boyfriend, I don't think that she even meant like, like. Like a formal loan that needs to be paid back. I mean, I shouldn't be speaking for her.

[Unknown]

I know, but it sounds like the.

[Ben Mandel]

Way that she is so shocked by all this stuff. She's like, whoa, whoa, this isn't like a formal loan or anything. This is like, you're just, like, lending me some money to. To get this thing done. So she is. Now her poor use of language is being used against her. It makes it sound like she's saying, like, no, this was 100 a proper loan. But I honestly, personally still think it's a gift. It's a gift.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's see what John says about it. So John's like, shannon needed money to pay her bills in her times of need, and she came to me for loans. I said, shannon, I'm going to help me. And this quote. I said, shannon, you know how volatile our relationship is. Even if you come to hate me, you have to pay me back. And in tearful voice, she said, of course I will, John. The first loan of $40,000, her promise to me and Shannon was like, this.

[Unknown]

Is Shannon. Sorry. God, your outfits are terrible.

[Ben Mandel]

She said that she would pay it back in two months. And I actually sent her a promissory note. And people need to understand the relationship was really volatile. I mean, it was so horrific. You won't. You don't even know how horrific it is. It's almost like she was protecting me all these years. Oh, the slander that this woman has against me. Anyway, if we go to trial. There's no doubt in my mind we will win. Collecting the money from Shannon could be another story.

[Unknown]

I'm like, listen, you don't get to.

[Ben Mandel]

Say how terrible this, really, how up and down this relationship was for all these years, and we're only finding out about it now. Now, I don't think. And then, like. And then you're going to say that there should be a, like, non dispar disparagement clause.

[Unknown]

Like, earlier they said she was protecting you.

[Ben Mandel]

Like, we. This is like, news to us. That was so volatile until last year.

[Unknown]

When she was like, well, sometimes we have arguments that paralyze me, but you know, who doesn't?

I'm sorry for being paralyzed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he. Gross. So, look, it does sound like she said, okay, fine, it's alone or whatever, but ultimately, I'm still team Shannon because the way he's going about this and dating Alexis and then having Alexis chase her around on camera. And then of course, they magically settled right after the reunion aired and he doesn't need any more fucking attention.

[Ben Mandel]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, immediately after. So off you attention, whore. You two need to ride off into the sunset and just be trash together. You know?

[Ben Mandel]

Be trash together.

[Ronnie Karam]

Learn. I mean, they won't last, but. No, no, he'll dump her. He's going to dump her in two seconds. I'm surprised he hasn't yet. He's going to wait to see if she gets a contract, and when she doesn't, he's going to be like, yeah.

[Unknown]

So, Shannon, what is your reaction? Reaction to that? It is. It's insane to me. I don't. I don't want to tear up because John Chanzen isn't worth any tears, though. I am going to cry, but it's like I'm in the freaking Twilight Zone. I mean, this is like, oh, my God. There was a person on the wing of this reunion. Everyone, believe me, there's someone outside that window. God.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Emily's saying, well, honestly, I don't understand. She made a full offer. If it was about the money and it was a loan, she was a.

[Unknown]

Full offer within non dispirit agreement, which.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was still filming, which when the show.

[Unknown]

Would have aired, he could have. She could have said seven more lies.

[Ronnie Karam]

About him and he could never have.

[Unknown]

Had any chance to talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but then you address it at the reunion where there's a lawyer present me.

[Ben Mandel]

And then Gina's like, oh, my God.

[Unknown]

Well, like, why didn't. Why didn't he wait to sue until after that? And Shannon's like, yeah, well, he said it was a statute of limitations. And I said, you're. You're a man of limitations.

Emotional.

And so G's like, oh, is there a statute of limitations? Oh, my God, I didn't know that. How long did it take to make that a statute, not a statue? Jesus.

[Ronnie Karam]

It. It kind of makes me crazy that Emily keeps yelling about how she's a lawyer, but doesn't argue against this statute of limitations thing, which is obvious to me. I mean, I need proof that there is a statute of limitations. That's a year or whatever. Crazy.

[Ben Mandel]

I mean, I thought most statutes of limitations are like, like years and years and years. So even if this happened early in the relationship, it's what, like five, six years ago?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I do not believe you people. So Andy's like, well, I guess the.

[Unknown]

Question is the show' we're at the reunion, she's offered the money. Why not accept the money? And Alexis is like, fine, offer it again then.

[Ronnie Karam]

Offer it again.

[Unknown]

Fuck.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, this woman is terrible. This woman is terrible. And Shannon's like, oh, really?

[Unknown]

Well, according to my attorney, you think you're going to get the full amount if he wants more? And you had your chance. You had your flipping chance. And you can tell John I said the same thing. Watch this. Ten walk by you.

May I speak?

[Ben Mandel]

Okay, my turn. Andy, I have a question. Jen and Katie, you guys have been very close with Alexis all season long.

[Unknown]

Still me.

[Ben Mandel]

And even after the season, you guys post a lot of pictures and whatnot. My turn. Still, can you speak to anything for her?

[Ronnie Karam]

This is funny of Heather, because she's the one totally sticking up for Alexis, but she's like, okay, these two are looking good at the reunion. And I didn't slam Katie as badly as I wanted, so let's just throw them under the bus. It's like, so you're best friends with Alexis? Although this, it does work because this diminishes Jen and Katie for me. I'm like, gross. You guys went through this whole season and now you're hanging out with Alexis? Bad, bad move. It's like a very newbie thing to be like, oh, really? The OGs are going to exclude us? Then fine, we'll just be our own housewives and we'll see, you know, we'll show them that we have a real friendship. You are teaming up with the wrong bird. Bird. Wrong bird.

[Ben Mandel]

Wrong bird.

[Unknown]

New hip. Wrong bird.

[Ben Mandel]

By the way, Ronnie, I just noticed that we are 100 matching today. We are literally wearing this look at us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, we're Maroonie banoonies. I love.

[Ben Mandel]

So Katie's like, well, I think I understood a lot more when she talked about the non disparagement. He wanted to speak truth after this air. Weird. And. But I see both sides. I'm like Joni Mitchell. I see both sides now. And it's just really hard to be in the middle of this. I just. I see her hurting, and I'm thinking, God, I wish I could be playing golf right now instead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brilliantly. Because I'm really a good golf player. Cut the Katie Whoops. If I'm not really very good at.

[Ben Mandel]

Golf, maybe not so good after all.

[Ronnie Karam]

What if he signed a non disparagement at the beginning of the season? She wouldn't say anything the rest of the season. This doesn't make sense. So. But what she's saying. And I hate standing up for Alexis, but I think what Alexis is saying is they probably would try not to count that as disparagement because they were still shooting, so by the time they aired it, they would be like, well, we already shot that, so nothing. That doesn't count, you know, But.

[Unknown]

Well, nobody knows that. Nobody knows what.

[Ben Mandel]

What she's gonna say. And I was like, but what do you mean?

[Unknown]

You don't know that she would have signed kind of thing.

And then you could have sued her again, like, you love suing. You could have had another lawsuit if she's disparaged you.

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

You think he wants to do that? You think he wants to be in another lawsuit? Yes, I do. Because it would get him another season of this show, and you know it. And you want another lawsuit too. You probably trick on trip on sideway cracks all the time. She's one of those who just tries to sue suit.

[Unknown]

And she's like, he just wants his $75,000 back.

And was like, but that doesn't make sense. She would not have been able to talk about it or him.

[Ben Mandel]

And so Jen's like, okay.

[Unknown]

And I asked. I asked John at dinner. I said, first of all, thank you so much. And then I said, john, would you ever wear denim with paint splatter all over it? No. Okay. I was just hoping to get Build some consensus about this. All right, well, and then I said, john, the timing, it just looks so bad. You and Alexis are together, and now we're on the show. Why are you seeking this money now, John? And can I have a little bit of it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, the timing really did. It just looks strange. I mean, it's Just so.

[Unknown]

It was just so planted. It was just so planted, Andy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I said that a long time ago. You said that very late into the season, too. And it was because this lady smarted off to you. You were totally fine with her doing all the. Pulling all these shenanigans more than half the season, Emily. So let's stop trying to come in like, last minute hero. Like, you've been on the right side of history this whole time. You didn't get mad at Alexis till she made some little smart ass comment. And now you're going scorched earth at her because she didn't stand up for you on the size 12 comments in that fashion show. So please.

[Ben Mandel]

So we see this clip and Emily's like, why did.

[Unknown]

Why did you guys wait until. You guys. Until we were filming?

[Ben Mandel]

Alexis is like, well, it has nothing to do with the filming, okay? It has nothing to do with filming whatsoever.

[Unknown]

I mean, were cameras on right now?

[Ben Mandel]

Did he get an erection every time?

[Unknown]

I said, we're gonna go shoot right now? Maybe.

[Ben Mandel]

But, like, he just wants his money back.

[Unknown]

It just. He happens to be now, like, our camera's up. Yeah. So be it. Does he want his money back?

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Is he gonna get his money back? Yeah.

You're being really defensive right now.

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you know what forensic accounting is? Yeah.

[Unknown]

Do I? Not really.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Unknown]

Do you have a degree?

[Ben Mandel]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Jen cut back, and Jen's like, I don't know.

[Unknown]

He explained it to me. He said, there's a statue that has limitations. And I said, well, you know, it's because the rest of them are hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they can't put boners on statues. And he said, no, not statues. Statutes.

[Unknown]

I said, I don't know what you mean. Why would you misspell statues? That's not nice to the statue. Be kind to the statue. Thank you, statues. Thank you for everything you do. I wouldn't even know who donated that park.

I mean, just because Venus de Milo is missing her arms does not mean that she's limited.

[Ben Mandel]

I don't know why people keep saying that. So Alexis is like, he had.

[Unknown]

He had.

[Ronnie Karam]

She thinks his statues are limited because they have little wieners that can't get hard. Yes, Jen. Yes, my made up Jen. You're my kind of girl right there.

[Unknown]

You know what? He had two days to decide.

[Ben Mandel]

And Emily's like, then why didn't he.

[Unknown]

Just ask for the money when he broke up for her?

Well, he did.

[Ben Mandel]

The attorneys were in negotiations.

[Unknown]

That's when. That's what she's leaving out he was.

[Ben Mandel]

Single for a year, and during that time, the attorneys were having negotiations with him.

[Unknown]

It all makes sense to me right now. And, like, she's deciding to leave out.

[Ben Mandel]

The most pertinent information that they were in negotiations.

[Ronnie Karam]

You see, I said pertinent.

[Unknown]

College. That's called college right there. Pure dm.

It's also my favorite shampoo.

[Ben Mandel]

It's like, no, that's just per.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Alexis. So Shannon's like, no.

[Unknown]

When John broke up with me, both times, if I owed him money, you say, hey, by the way, there's a loan outstanding. And he never said it. Oh, so when you broke up, there was no conversation?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Alexis is like, nope. They were in negotiations before they ever got together, or I was on the show, so. Or they. Before we got together, or I was ever on the show. And she's like, oh, she got a demand letter in January.

[Unknown]

So she got a demand letter for the loan in January when we were filming.

And that was after we broke up. John had never asked me to pay him either amount ever. And Andy's like, okay, so there's been a lot of conversation about the videos. And the videos possibly being viewed used as some kind of extortion. Here's what John had to say about that.

[Ben Mandel]

Let me be perfectly clear on the videos, it was my intent for no one to ever see them, unless, of course, I needed to release them if I wasn't paid. Not saying it was extortion. I'm just saying no one's gonna see them unless you don't pay me for free.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, there's no. The small extortion. It's just what I'm saying, you know? Know, no free rides. You know what I mean? Do you have to pay when you go see a movie, Andy? You do. You do, right? So Heather's like, then why keep them?

[Unknown]

Aha.

[Ronnie Karam]

And John cut back to John. He's like, it was extremely traumatic night for me, my two adult children, and it's very unfortunate that Shannon has not taken accountability for traumatizing my adult children and the people that she harmed that night. And I would say if Shannon would like to. I would. The person I would show the videos.

[Ben Mandel]

To would be in the room with.

[Unknown]

Me in the room.

[Ben Mandel]

Okay, okay. Guess what?

[Ronnie Karam]

In the room. So she can.

[Unknown]

Someone with a degree has to be.

[Ben Mandel]

In the room, and I have got a degree.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want Alexis to be there rubbing her double crucifix as we watch the video, really bring it home. And it would be Shannon Bedor so she could see what a monster she was that night. Oh God. Well I hope you're watching this video right now to see what a douchebag.

[Ben Mandel]

You are to tonight do John Janson so traumatized by Shannon crashing into a house and in like Shannon's the one with blood coming down her face. Shannon's the one who has to deal with a a DUI nationally publicly shamed and go through all the things and perhaps rightfully so. But it's John who is the tr. Who is the victim of trauma because she punched him or something like that. Which is what we find out later. But like no, I don't condone violence but I'm also imagining like I just you trying to pull the trauma card when Shannon's the one who's been going through all this shit. I don't know, it just doesn't land well with me. Probably like Shannon's punch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay. This the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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