#2649 RHOBH S1404 Part One: Sister Act

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens - Episode #2649: RHOBH S1404 Part One: Sister Act

Release Date: December 11, 2024

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Introduction

In episode #2649 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the tumultuous events of Season 14, Episode 4 of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOBH), aptly titled "Sister Act." This episode offers listeners a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of the latest drama, with a particular focus on the strained relationship between Dorit Kemsley and Kyle Richards.

Overview of the Episode

The hosts kick off the episode by sharing their excitement for the upcoming "Mounting Hysteria Tour" of 2025, blending personal announcements with their characteristic humor. However, the main focus soon shifts to RHOBH Season 14, Episode 4, where tensions between cast members reach new heights.

Main Conflict: Dorit Kemsley vs. Kyle Richards

At the heart of this episode is the escalating feud between Dorit Kemsley and Kyle Richards. The dispute centers around perceived slights and broken loyalties, with both women airing grievances that have been simmering over multiple seasons.

Key Points Discussed:

• Dorit's Accusations: Dorit confronts Kyle about past incidents, including Kyle's alleged lack of support during tough times. Dorit emphasizes that Kyle has been a "terrible friend," especially highlighted during critical moments such as supporting business ventures and personal challenges ([10:03] Dorit Kemsley).

• Kyle's Defense: Kyle counters by acknowledging some past mistakes but defends her actions as being misunderstood. She expresses confusion over Dorit's accusations, questioning whether Dorit is "crazy" for her behavior ([03:18] Ronnie Karam).

• Garcelle's Insights: Garcelle Beauvais provides an outsider's perspective, noting that Kyle often makes excuses for her behavior while being inconsistent in her reactions to others' grievances. She critiques Kyle for selectively addressing conflicts, particularly pointing out Kyle's reaction to Erica Girardi's comments ([12:28] Ben Mandelker).

• Apologies and Interruptions: The episode highlights a rare moment where Kyle attempts to apologize, but Dorit interrupts, rendering the apology ineffective. This interaction underscores the depth of their rift and Dorit's refusal to concede ([24:25] Ben Mandelker).

Notable Quotes:

• Dorit Kemsley ([10:14]): "If heaven forbid, I make a little misstep, like PK stepping on a Pringles tin, you punish. And you won't speak to me for six months."

• Ronnie Karam ([04:02]): "I loved Garcelle getting her licks in today. You know, just always sort of stick it right in there with Dorit, which is so fun."

• Dorit Kemsley ([24:42]): "This is my fight song. My CD player's broken song, my folk in the microwave song. This is my fight song."

Reactions and Insights

Ben and Ronnie provide sharp and humorous commentary on the unfolding drama, dissecting the nuances of the conflict. They highlight Kyle's tendency to dismiss genuine apologies and Dorit's relentless pursuit of accountability. The hosts also touch upon the broader implications of such feuds within the RHOBH community, emphasizing how personal vendettas can overshadow the show's overarching narratives.

Additional Discussions:

• Behavioral Patterns: The hosts analyze recurring patterns in Dorit and Kyle's interactions, noting how Dorit perpetuates conflicts by rehashing old grievances, while Kyle remains defensive and evasive.

• Support Systems: Garcelle Beauvais points out the importance of having supportive friendships and how Kyle's actions have strained her relationships with other cast members.

• Humorous Takes: Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject with light-hearted jokes and observations, keeping the discussion engaging and relatable. For instance, Ronnie humorously misinterprets discussions about characters' interactions with food and everyday objects ([12:39] Ben Mandelker).

Host Commentary and Humor

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam masterfully balance serious analysis with humor, ensuring the summary remains both informative and entertaining. Their playful banter and witty remarks offer listeners a unique perspective on RHOBH's drama-filled episodes.

Examples of Humor:

• Mocking Apologies: Ben quips about Dorit's interrupted apology, likening it to a convoluted negotiation filled with double negatives ([28:32] Ben Mandelker).

• Booster Advertising Parodies: The hosts mimic commercial breaks, satirizing the often superficial nature of televised friendships and rivalries ([22:44] Ben Mandelker).

• Character Portrayals: Ronnie humorously exaggerates Dorit's behavior, portraying her as excessively interruptive and unyielding ([31:11] Garcelle Beauvais).

Conclusion and Tease for Part Two

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie tease the continuation of the drama, promising more in-depth analysis and recaps in Part Two. They encourage listeners to stay tuned for further explorations of RHOBH's intricate dynamics and to support the podcast through Patreon for exclusive content.

Final Remarks:

• Reflection on Friendships: The hosts ponder the sustainability of friendships within the high-stakes environment of RHOBH, questioning whether reconciliation is possible between Dorit and Kyle.

• Upcoming Content: A preview hints at more explosive confrontations and heartfelt moments, setting the stage for the next installment of the recap series.

Notable Quotes Recap:

• Ronnie Karam ([24:25]): "This is my fight song."

• Dorit Kemsley ([10:14]): "If heaven forbid, I make a little misstep, like PK stepping on a Pringles tin, you punish."

• Dorit Kemsley ([28:32]): "I'm sorry if you're mad. Stupid."

• Ben Mandelker ([04:02]): "I love Dorit. Just taking it to Kyle."

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Conclusion

Episode #2649 of "Watch What Crappens" offers a thorough and entertaining analysis of RHOBH Season 14, Episode 4, focusing on the strained relationship between Dorit Kemsley and Kyle Richards. Through a blend of insightful commentary and humor, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the ongoing drama, setting the stage for further discussions in the upcoming parts.

Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hi Ronnie, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. Good to see you. Hun. Everybody, welcome. This is Wednesday, December 11th for anyone keeping track. And it's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Day. We just went on sale for our Mounting hysteria tour of 2025. We began very soon at the end of January. So go get your tickets. We're going to all of the cities. Every place. We're going to every city in America. So to see the list of cities get tickets, go to watchwordcrappence.com for all the Texans and the Charlotte people wondering what the hell happened to us. Our schedule people made a little mistake. So sorry. We are going to those places. But those tickets will not be announced until the 17th. So check back on the 17th for Texas and Charlotte or right now and you'll know, you'll know, you'll know where we're going to be and how to do it other but. And we're going to keep adding cities. We're looking at different places. You know what? Because we're out. So we might as well just go every place. Shake hands, pet babies, etc. We're going to be the mayors of America.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, this is on Demand as usual on video. If you'd like it on video, go to patreon.com watch what crappins. It's also where you get our bonus episodes which currently is the new season, the the starter season of Soldiers on slc, which is a hilarious new show that five people Are watching. So go check that out over on Patreon. And I think that's all the announcements. Do you have any other ones?

[Ronnie Karam]

Just that I really enjoy you. I'm announcing that I enjoy Ronnie Karam. That's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, aren't you just a sweeter.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Peter.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to announce that I love Bravo too, and I think Bravo put on a great night of TV last night, including Real Housewives of New York. I loved that episode last night. And so we'll be recapping that. Yep. Huh?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Huh?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yep. I. Yep. You heard it from here.

[Ben Mandelker]

What? Maybe that's why I was psyched. Were you just. Are you in a positive. Are you just forcing yourself to be positive? Is it one of those things where, like, there's a manic breakdown coming and you're just forcing positivity or what's happening?

[Ronnie Karam]

I loved it. I don't know what happened. I don't know. Am I crazy? You know what? I woke up this morning, I told Ronnie. I was like, ronnie, I am on one today. I am on one. I am not in the mood. So maybe it's like, bizarro. Like, maybe I would. Like, I woke up salty. But then, because I watched New York this morning, so maybe I had to watch New York in a really bad mood to feel like it was the best.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe. Maybe compared to the world you're. You're currently living in, it was just amazing, you know? I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

But.

[Ben Mandelker]

But. Well, that's good. I mean, listen, you know, it's. It's. I love when people are unique. I love some uniqueness. And I think you're the only person in the country that I've seen with that opinion. This. So you know what? Let's go with it. I love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's hilarious. I really thought you'd be, like. I know, just hit, like, brick wall. But you know what? That's fine. That's for another recap. And that will be their next recap. But today it's obviously Beverly Hills.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's Beverly Hills, so. Man, I sure hope Dorit has a chance to get things off her chest.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was. Wait, am I okay? Here's another litmus test. I was totally on Dorit's side for this. I love Dorit. Just taking it to Kyle. Am I still a pariah?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no. You're back. You're back on the right side. Well, of course everybody likes seeing Kyle. Well, at least lately, everybody likes to see Kyle. Get it? It's just Dorit. You know? It's like.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Another thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, girl, it is episode four, and she's still on the same fucking. This is so Dorit, though, because Dorit began the Beverly Hills history. Well, I don't know if I would give this to dorit or Eileen of bringing one thing and making it last for 20 episodes of the season where it's every episode Lucy, Lucy, apple juice. With Dorit, it was like, erica, your vagina's showing. You know, that was the whole thing for that year. And then there was the Lucy, Lucy, apple juice year, where it was the whole one minute little thing every day for the rest of our lives. And now it's coyo, you know, you've.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Been mean to me, and I will.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not take it, Coyo, but, man, that dorit just picks up one thing and just goes. Goes for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She does. She does.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Grace time is over, Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? I really. You know, we've seen her be tenacious with all sorts of people season after season, and it's like, you want to pull your hair out. So seeing her be tenacious to Kyle is actually. That's. It's like finally she's using her energies towards the right person, you know? Like, you know, it was. It was tiresome watching her with Garcelle going after Garcelle when she was clearly in the wrong. Although I did enjoy Garcelle getting her licks in today. You know, just always sort of stick it right in there with Dorit, which is so fun. But, like, this is finally, like, it was put in the right. I have a lot to say. I'm not even. You know what? I'll just say it as it goes. I'm just going to layer in my thoughts today.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, that's good. Like a five bean dip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like a Rachel haircut. Layers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why have I been thinking of bean dip? This wasn't the first time I've said it. I mean, I've been saying it in my head a lot. I don't know why. Okay, so here we are. This episode is called Twisted Sisterhood. I literally had to Google why it was called this. Cause I didn't get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, I get the pun, but, like, I don't get the why.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because they tied the Sutton ties, that ribbon around their hands to make a sisterhood vow. But I thought it was a Kyle and Kathy fight, so I was waiting the whole time for a Kyle and Kathy fight. And the only person Kathy really fought with was a candle that she pulled up to her mouth and tried to breathe in. I don't know what she was doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't know. But you know what? God bless.

[Ben Mandelker]

God bless her. So we continue from the last episode.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

At the Valle restaurant in Oceanside.

[Ben Mandelker]

To read has just told Kyle, oh, did you see that interview with Lisa Vanderpump this week? There are these two girls where they're.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, so Lisa, Kyle is having some problems on this season of the Real Housewives girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's just so funny watching 20 year old people interact with Vanderpump. They're just like, what do you think.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Of Kyle and Dorit getting in a fight?

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, oh, Kyle's terrible. I haven't watched a season. I'm not watching that bullshit. But I'll tell you this, Kyle's a terrible friend.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They're like, oh, does anybody have cream for my tea?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then the two girls look down. They realize they're in like miniskirts and are holding little trays like, wait a.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Second, how do we become waitresses?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Magic. Don't forget from 5 to 7, they're not goat cheese bowls. The guilty empanadas.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will give you the scoop that you need, but in return, you shall be serving scoops of Lisa Vanderbilt, my stream your waitresses. Now she's like Ursula. She's like, I'll give you everything you want. Viral fame, retweets, likes, clicks, and all I need in return is for you to be my waitress.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they were pretty funny. But that's interview was good. She just let Kyle have it too. And I love that she just never bothers watching it. She's like, well, she's terrible. I've told you years ago.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Is there anything else that you need?

[Ronnie Karam]

She was a terrible friend to me. Yeah, that was good. So. So now, yes, we return to this dinner, which is at the corner of a. There's basically a promise. There's this prominent stop sign in the middle of the backdrop, which is both a good metaphor and also just shows that they're literally eating on like a street corner with pedestrians walk, walking by. Which I commented on last week and it still tickled me this week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was. It's eating on the ocean, isn't it? Where they're like, oh, wow, look at the beautiful view right next to you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Right behind this plexiglass is a man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shooting up heroin and masturbating. Wow, what a lovely meal. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I was sort of expecting someone to come by on like a, like a bike with like a boombox playing some song, trying to get people to like, pay money for him. To, like, drive them around or something, you know, like one of those touristy things or something to come by with a cart with, like, cotton candy and. Yeah, like, stuffed salted fruit.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Dorit's like, coyle, for whatever reason, you treat me in a certain way, and there's two set of rules, and God forbid if I don't have absolute blind loyalty. And I mean blind to a fountain. You're okay to make little comments. You do little digs. You digs. Might I say bully.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Little jabs. Little jabs. Jab alert. The jabs are happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Kyle's like, I actually always defended you and have loyalty towards you, except for all the times I'm not loyal towards you.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And treat's like, but if, heaven forbid, I make a little misstep, like PK stepping on a pringles tin, you punish. And you won't speak to me for six months.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Kyle's like, okay, that's true. And I acknowledge that. But, you know, if you had these things building up, she goes, I do have them building up, Kyle. I do. And let me tell you another thing. Kyle's like, um, well, it's not just the past couple of years. This is the way you treat me. This is where you've always done it. And I make one simple comment and then remember when I said, oh, and I have to save Kyle's fashion show?

[Ben Mandelker]

And everyone's like, groaning because, girl, you're bringing up Kyle by shahida. Yeah, that is. But that what this needs to take place on the Flintstone set. I need to see, like a dinosaur being rung as a workabout. This is a long time ago. She's calling back to, you know, what are you bowling with boulders?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but those fashions have been seared into our brains forever. So it's really. It's like it never went away.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And Dorit's like, it was a joke, big deal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because you made a comment about, like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I'm just thinking, I've got to save Kyle's fashion show from Coyle. So now she's like, it was a joke, Big deal. And you didn't speak to me for six months.

[Ronnie Karam]

Six months, Coyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Sutton goes, oh, my God, we're going back that far.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Drea just keeps going. And Kyle's like, well, first of all.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I was starting a business, and that was really. I was really hard on me. And, like, it was exciting for me. And you were putting me down, like, making fun of me. Like, I would never make fun of your business, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

You've made fun of every business that Dorit comes up with. Now, are you justified? Of course you were both justified. What show are you on? You're allowed to make fun of each other behind each other's backs. That's what this network is built on, ma'am. Okay, why don't you just take a sledgehammer to Bravo?

[Dorit Kemsley]

You've got to be joking me. You've got to be joking me. You can make fun. Oh, Buca di Peppa. Boop boop bok wrote the clip.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see, of course, a clip of Kyle making fun of the Capri room at Buca di Beppo, which, like you said, was worthy of mockery, but nonetheless, it was still mockery.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and you know her, what she said wasn't so bad, but she was just like.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I mean, do I feel like I've been transported to Capri, Italy? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I do, actually, because I just went to Capri this summer, as, you know, for a second. Like a hot second. Because honestly, the entire town is on top of a mountain that you have to climb to get there, but you get to the top, and it's just basically douchey people in fake Chanel walking all over. I mean, it does look like Dorian.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jesse Lally, actually, if you remember. He's like, I love Capri. We go there every year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and I saw plenty of fake ass lemons hanging from things there too.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, like, Jussie Lolly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Jussie Lolly. I can't wait for the ballet to come back, by the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gonna be so good.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So isn't it good? Isn't it? Kyle's like, it looks amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then it just cuts to Kyle going, no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So she's like, oh, it's okay for you. It's always okay. And another thing. Why is it funny for you but not for me? And another thing, When I had the book of the pee pee. How dare you. And another thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like she just keeps saying, and another thing, but it's the same thing over and over again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle's like, I didn't say it was okay, and I didn't say it was funny.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And Drew's like, well, and again, you've treated me a certain way for a sustained period of time, and I'm fed up with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Grace.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Time is over.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Carl's like, well, listen, I was a very good friend for many, many, many, many, many years.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I love that Dorit didn't even get off her neck for two seconds. She just Interrupted. She interrupts her and she's like, I'm.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Talking specifically about the way you've been a shitty friend in the last. The last year.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, oh, my God, in.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

The two years since I lost my best friend and I'm going through a fucking separation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Take off the victim cloak. You don't get to pull the victim cloak every time you're called out for being an asshole to someone. That's not how that works, okay? And in the words of the great Kyle herself. Oh, Lisa, we're all going through things. And Lisa Vanderpump's brother committed suicide.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Shut the fuck up, Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so Dorit's like, coil, I knew.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You were going through a hard time, and I was not going to give you a hard time knowing what you were going through. That's why when you said to me the other night, gee, give me some grace. That's what I've been doing for two years. And I've been taking it and taking it. Jabs. Coming inward, receiving jabs, little jabs. Taking it, taking it and taking it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Digging it, digging it, digging it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Tinks and tinks and jabs and chubs. Bullies and bullies and cheese and cheese.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Kibbles and bits and.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And another thing. Chi. And another thing. Chip. And another thing. Bully. And another thing and another thing.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Baby Bon bells has nothing to do with anything. I just would like to order one, please.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And then you decide when it's convenient and when you're going to be mad at me. And when I put one step wrong, you decide, I'm going to freeze Dorit out and I'm going to punish her. Did you get mad at Erica? America's like, oh, Jesus, why am I getting pulled into this bullshit?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, because when you go back to that reunion clip where Dorit read the email or the text message and Eric, and she's like, what would you think? And Erica's like, well, I would feel manipulated. So now she's like, well, why aren't you mad at Erica for saying that Erica would feel manipulated?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so, yeah, Kyle's like, oh, well.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But I was heard by that. Absolutely. However, that was the only thing that Erica did. It wasn't like all these little things built up. I mean, I've named like 20 things that you've done. I mean, there was that time when.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please listen, please, let's not go through the list again.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Seriously, because the list is really bad. The list is the Bravo con thing with the shot when she spilled. Like, when. When Dorit said that Kyle is no longer her favorite and that Dorit did not defend Teddy melon camp enough at Bravo con. So it's pretty 10. Like, let's not forget Kyle's whole reasoning here is built on bullshit. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I think. You know what I think her best reason was last year? What she originally said when Dorit was like, oh, now you're ignoring me.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Now you're not friends with me anymore now that you're friends with Mugen.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Carl's answer was like, well, I.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Work out now, and you don't like to work out. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because that's probably the closest to the truth that we're going to get, which is basically like, I don't like you now. I found other people to hang out with. That's the truth. Kyle just doesn't like her now. And I think that sometimes that happens, and I think sometimes you just need to say, you smell now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think. Listen, there's reasons to distance yourself from Dorit. All she does is talk, and she natters on and on and on and on. She doesn't stop. Kyle has mentioned that. Kyle should have just led with that. She should have said, listen, all you do is talk. And, you know, like, I need friends who can hear about the fact that I was in Halloween, and instead I'm just hearing about you and buca di beppo. And that's just, like, not. Not the friendship that I need right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Erica's like, wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Now Erica's like, no, I'm not in. I'm gonna speak for myself. I was speaking to Andy. I was saying, andy, I got eviscerated on my season, and Kyle's story is very big. Are you gonna do the same thing to Kyle? And Kyle's like, that's how I took it. It was totally fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Kyle, you know that if anybody. You know that if anybody else said that, you would be all over their ass. You're just afraid of Erica, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You can't be, like. You can't be, like, reasonable and rational with some things and. And not with others. You know, like the. Like the Teddy thing and the Bravocon thing are so, like, grasping at straws. But then with the Erica thing, and. And, like, I'm not saying that she should be mad at Erica, but then all of a sudden, she chooses to be reasonable there. And I feel like Kyle is smart enough to know when she's whipping up an excuse to be mad. And so this is definitely a Stronger.

[Ben Mandelker]

Reason to be mad at Erica for saying eviscerate her ass at the. Like, it's Kyle's turn to get eviscerated.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Get her.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right. But like Erica's, you know, but at the same time, like, a rational person could also say, like Erica was saying, like, hey, I was held. I was like, don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are we all.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was held to the fire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So like, don't be unfair to me. Right. And so Kyle took it that way, but then she's willing to be totally ridiculous about the other things. So then Kyle's like, that's how I took it. See, I took it. I'm smart. And she's like, why are you saying I should be mad at Erica now?

[Dorit Kemsley]

It's like, no, I don't think you should get mad at her. But if I did something like that, you sure as would get mad at me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Kyle's like, well, but she apologized to me. I'm like, I can't. With Kyle, I can't. Yeah, I. I can't.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Dorit Kemsley]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then Jennifer. Jennifer Tilly is like, the only thing.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I understand is this is some sort of beef that goes back and years and years. It's impossible to keep up. I'm just hoping it'll die down soon so I could have my dinner.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was wildly. Too inaccurate, Ronnie. Too accurate. Too accurate.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's amazing. But that was.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then it just goes to her.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Going, food tastes better when you eat it with your hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she eats a taco. Like, it's totally crazy for her to be eating a taco with her hands.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Bose goes, I don't know what the fuck is going on. Let me just eat my food.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, let me just eat my food. I love Bozo's reaction to everything. It's just like, why am I with these losers? I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did I leave corporate America for this? And she's like, look, none of these women give you what they think at face value. They're not direct. There's something underneath. Underneath. You pick up a stone over here, and there's a rock under that. You pick up a rock and there's a toad. Is the toad sitting on something? Absolutely. Another rock. And then under that rock is a frog. And then the frog and the toad sort of have a homoerotic relationship. And you think you should be in a picture book, but instead, under the picture book is a mushroom. And under the mushroom is a pebble. And under the pebble is an Eminem. And under the M and M, it's like, okay, Bubbles, we get it. We get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And under the M and M. And I told those M and Ms, I came up with your first campaign.

[Ronnie Karam]

I invented M. M's. Before me, it was just M. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then Sutton's like, well, I just. I want to ask for a second. I, too, have experienced the punishment where Kyle has not spoken to me for months at a time. And we've just, you know, we've talked about it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And I say, kyle, this is something.

[Ben Mandelker]

You should work on. And then about seven months later, she.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Said, okay, I will. So I think that's how you deal with Kyle, Kyle, Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why is my face covered with a napkin right now?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Kyle's like, be like a bird. Be Quiet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so you said you were right and this is something you're going to work on. So Kyle's going to work on it. I just said, pretend it's a script from ER and then she was like, okay, I'm in. I'll get to work. So I think this is fixable. I mean, I hope, I mean, not Kyle's personality that's long been broken by her mom, but I think your relationship may be fixable.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You sound more angry than I knew, though. Really angry.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm angry. I'm angry. I am. And another thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, look, Kyle, it's hard to hear when someone's angry at you, and you don't like people to be angry at you. This is something. This is something you know. And she's like, well, nobody likes to feel like. I know, but you especially don't want to feel. Even though you make people so angry all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

All the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

You make people angry and then you get upset that they're angry at you. God, that is a hard thing to live with. Isn't that, Kyle?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But she is willing to work on.

[Ben Mandelker]

That part of her personality.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, it's not just that one part. It's another thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, come down, Norma Ray. Okay, let's just calm down over there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I honestly, Dorit, I have never seen you this angry in five years. I mean, the way you've been thrusting your little hand puppet in people's faces, it is out of control. I, I, I'm, this is. I'm stunned.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is pretty amazing, though, because Dorit does not let up and she doesn't let Kyle get away with her. Oh, my God.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Blessed of her trauma, but, oh my God, it hurt my feelings, but oh my God, I'm hurt.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't let her get away with any of that shit. So Kyle apologizes, which is very, very rare. I mean, that's a rare damn thing. Is it groundhog's day? She's never apologizes properly. She usually gives the apology. Dorit just gives in a second, which is like.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But I'm sorry if you're mad. Stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's usually a Kyle apology, but this time she actually did one. I was impressed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, because Dorit is not letting up because Dorit is like, excuse me. You know, we're both here performing at Lilfair, and your set is up. You had last season, and now it's my season to go through a separation, and you're still performing on the stage, so I'm going to need you to get off the stage. And you're not off the stage yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this is my turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. This is ceremony, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Misery. Get the hell out of here. P.K. and I waited. Waited in a fucking canister. What do you call it? In line, in queue. We waited in queue for this and now we've got to fucking deal with you taking up the stage still. Get off the stage.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dorit's got, like, the broom from, like, TV's bloopers and practical jokes. Those guys in the broom, she's like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

All right now, Kyle, get off the stage. I'm going through separation. Pk, I've got to talk. I've got to. This dinner was supposed to be about me telling everyone that PK is such an alcoholic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on, Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I didn't handle.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It right and I'm apologizing. Okay? And I acknowledged it's something I need to work on. And I acknowledge I shouldn't have said what I said on Amazon Live, which is live every once in a while. Everybody should be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you want to hear me say.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Mean shit like this about doritogene so I can sell more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Those Amazon lives are crazy. I was listening to a podcast called Shameless. It's these three Aussie chicks and I. I love them. They're very funny. I've only listened to, like, three of them, but I really like them. And they were talking about another podcast called the Goodbye Kyle Podcast, which is a hilarious name for a podcast. And I guess they did a deep dive into these Amazon lives and how they're making money and basically. Have you ever watched one? I've never seen one before.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think maybe once I've seen clips.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of them, you know, when people put the clips up to go viral. But it's really smart. They' just. Basically, it's a home shopping network, but they're talking shit while they're selling stuff. It's like, hi, I'm Kyle.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I have this jacket. I really love jackets like this. Like, my sister used to wear one when she was filming Disney movies. My sister's on drugs, by the way. You guys should all, like, pray for her. Y'all take some questions about Kim right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, whoa. And she's just. And they have the jacket up on the screen and they're just trying to sell the jacket.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's great.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's really. It's very. I feel like modern day America, you know, it's like, here's my traumas.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But also, while we're going through that Corning wear, am I right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's a. I'm surprised that Bravo did not. Has not actually started to copy this because.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why don't we copy it?

[Ronnie Karam]

What, should we just sell stuff in the background while we're doing the podcast?

[Ben Mandelker]

100%. I mean, I guess we already do. We have ads and stuff, but I think we should just take it further and get an Amazon storefront. And when I have, you know, using my little face red light or whatever, just be like, you know, you know, Kyle's a dick and she deserves everything she's fucking getting. Thank God for this red light I'm using, by the way. It's really helping me with the stress of dealing with another season of Kyle. God, thank God it's only 2.99@ Amazon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Would anyone like a tissue box? This tissue box comes to you. Discount it at $2 since it's semi used anyway. Please use the link below, smash that like button and this will go right out to you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Would anybody like a snoring cysty dog? Well, he's right here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gorilla tape still in the package. Great to use, not just for gorillas.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, so she gets an apology.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Daria's like, well, I appreciate that and let me calm down a minute and let me just choose one accent for now. Koya, I'm sorry that the text message that you sent me that I read it with Erica and I showed her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Spoke about it and Erica turns to.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Bose and goes, always keep your text messages. Don't erase anything with these bitches.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And coil one more thing. The thing at Bravocon was a joke. It was a joke. As everyone knew it was a joke. It hurt me and I am sorry that it hurt you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a minute.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's not negating an apology. It's not genuine what you're saying. Your apology is not genuine at all. Okay, I feel like you never owned anything and it always comes with this like, fake apology.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Kyle, I am very, very happy to own anything except maybe our house whenever ever I have done something effort. And you said to eat this hurt me. And the first thing I said is, gee, I'm so sorry, Kyle. I'm so sorry that you're thin skinned and can't take a joke and are kind of stupid and like, I mean.

[Ronnie Karam]

Excuse me, can I speak?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I wouldn't agree with that.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You wouldn't agree with what?

[Ben Mandelker]

With what she was saying in terms of like you just can't say you're sorry.

[Dorit Kemsley]

So you, you don't agree with me or with Kyle, you agree that I can say I'm sorry, correct?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You. You don't agree with Kyle that I don't say sorry or I don't say sorry?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, correct.

[Dorit Kemsley]

There's a lot of double negatives going on here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold on one second. Let me bring another word into this.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Wow.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Wait, Mayor Atterwood.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gee.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Dorit Kemsley]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Dorit Kemsley]

What are we saying?

[Ronnie Karam]

No goys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Boy George, I agree that you don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Say you're sorry, but I have to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Say, Garcelle was very confusing at this at first because there's so many double negatives. Because it's like when she's like. When she's like, darius, like, I own. I own anything. And Kyle's like, no, you don't. And Garza goes, no. Even I was like, are you saying which one are you saying no to? And just kept on saying, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I just like it, because it's just where you're so fed. She's not even talking about the actual sentences. It's just, like, the whole idea of Dorit. She's just like, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She just. It's like junk mail.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You see a dog sitting on a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Carpet, and that's just all you do. No. You know, there's no. There's no, you know, negotiating. It's just no. So she's like, yeah, I don't. I'm not. She goes, I don't agree. You don't do that. And Dorit's like, don't say sorry. Yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, at least it's a new word. Well, I'm not surprised that you agree with that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And let's be honest, Garcelle, she goes, okay, good.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, I am not your favorite person, and you're very clear about that. Hashtag littlejabs. I wouldn't expect you to actually not agree with what she has to say. Wait, did I say that correctly? There was about three negatives in that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Okay, well, then we're on the same page.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Are we on the same page? Correct.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mm. Beautiful.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gotcha. Gotcha on that one.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Wouldn't you agree that we're not ever not on the same page?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

No. But wouldn't you not agree that you don't own things?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes, but.

[Dorit Kemsley]

No. I'm lost.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. So then it just cuts to Kathy, who's holding a candle up to her nose, and no one really understands. Maybe she's trying to warm her face. I don't know. Wouldn't get my. I wouldn't get a candle that close to the restylene. In your face. Move it back.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know it could. Listen, things can go awry. So then Dorit's like, it's. It's quiet for like a minute and no one knows what to say. So Dorit's like, guys, I'm going to turn in to what?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Just. No, I'm just going to bed.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought you were about to get interesting.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

A pumpkin. What do you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

That would be nice.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Does anyone else here want to go to bed?

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, of course you don't want to go to bed.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Garcelle. Not giving a fuck and just being like, I hate you. And that's it. I'm always gonna hate you and I'm never gonna like you. So that's all. That's all. That's all I require of you. And wasn't it last year where Dorit's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, please, can we please just be friends? I'll do whatever it takes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, no, the end. It's like, I just don't like you. There's no coming back from this. Leave me alone. You know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kyle now tells us, and she does that thing with her hands like she's serving a little platter. She's like, I came in here looking for resolution. And like, she came in tonight looking for a fight. I mean, that girl that just, like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Sat there screaming at me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is either, because I. Last time I checked, Dorit was not screaming at you. You. She was mad, but she was not screaming at you. But it's kind of funny because this is exactly what dorit got into trouble with with Garcelle last season was that it was like, you just attacked me. And now Kyle is doing it to Dorit, saying that Dorit was yelling at her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So Dorit is. You know, she says bye to everybody. And Erica walks her out and she asked her if she's okay, and she's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, I'm uncomfortably cool.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then back at the table, Garcelle's like, where. Where do we go from here? Where do we go, my lovely?

[Ronnie Karam]

Do do, do do. No, no more singing.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's just like bobbing her head to the side very slowly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So anyway, yeah, Dorit just walks Erica back to her room and Dorit's just like, o.

[Dorit Kemsley]

So, yeah, so now it's the next.

[Ronnie Karam]

Day and everyone's getting ready for their afternoon activity. And, you know, people are like, Kyle's blow drying her hair. Jennifer Tilly is trying on a hat.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And she's like, ooh, my initials are on it in case I forgot who I am.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Bo's FaceTimes with her daughter about packing so much, and she's like, well, I'm gonna have to pack again when we go to Brazil. And they just talk about that and cute outfits and stuff like that. And Boz is like, we should match every single outfit. And her daughter just stay silent. She's like, okay, that's, I think, way too much. Silence.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think I'm ready for Bravo to retire this trope of people FaceTiming people on vacation. I don't. I, like, I literally never care. It's. It's rarely ever been interesting to recap. It's just not what I'm tuning in for. Personally.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I think we could just skip these.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not you and I. I'm just saying Bravo can skip these scenes because does anyone. Is everyone like, oh, God, I can't wait for someone to call their six year old. I know that Boza's child is not six, but I'm saying, like, a lot of times we usually see the version where someone either FaceTimes their dog or FaceTimes like a toddler. And I just. I think it's time to move on.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Bravo.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't mean either. But you know what? In real Life, I like FaceTiming with dogs. My niece Aubry got this new puppy. She's a cockatoo. She's named Maple. And Aubrey is facetiming me this dog all the time. She started an Instagram for her dog. So I'm going to tell people so you can go follow this dog's Instagram. Okay? It's called Maple M A P L E. Like the tree dot the Kavapoo puppy on Instagram. This dog is so fucking cute. It's already got like 2,300 followers. This dog is killing it and live. So go follow Maple the Kavapoopup. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like the cutest tapu.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, they're allergic to everything. My family's allergic to 97 different things. And so they have to get like, hypoallergenic dogs. And I guess this is a mixture of a King Cavalier puppy. Is that a thing? A King Cavalier puppy. I'm gonna look it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

That sounds like a Chevrolet Chevrolet King Cavalier.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It does.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Dog breed, I guess is what they're called. And so it's a mix of that and a poop, right? Kavapoo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Anytime the oodle Is there? It's going to be some poodle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So it's pretty cute. It's just a fluffy little dog that won't make you allergic. Isn't that cute?

[Ronnie Karam]

There was a Chevrolet called the Chevrolet Cavalier. I was like, wait a second. That actually sounded too accurate.

[Ben Mandelker]

This dog is actually a mix between a poodle and a Chevrolet. So it's great. It's not great for the environment, but what is these days? My right, guys, just give into it.

[Ronnie Karam]

See the USA with your Chevrolet Poodle hybrid.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Sutton's room, and she's hanging out with Garcelle, and they're giggling about stuff.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Sutton's like, no slippers in the bed.

[Ben Mandelker]

No slippers in the bed. And is there vodka in your coffee?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, to quote you, no. So carousel's like, well, last night, Missy, how explosive was that dinner? Or let me ask it this way. Could you believe how explosive it wasn't last night? Correct or incorrect? Okay, Garcelle, you have to stop with these double negatives. It's really confusing everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Well, I was like, are we allowed to eat? Because I just felt like we were in divorce court. We were in divorce court, and she's saying, I don't know what's going to happen between Kyle and Dorit, but this fight is definitely different. I mean, it's not just, you talk too much or you didn't come to Kemo Sabe when I wanted to. This feels like betrayal. This feels like hurt by both.

[Ronnie Karam]

It also feels incredibly stupid, so I'm just gonna sit here on the sideline and laugh.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that's what I like Garcelle for on this show. I like when she's just on the sidelines commenting on things, like she's watching something that she's not in. Like, well, Dorit. Dorit and Kyle's fight. Let's discuss it. Brutal. Feels like betrayal this time, Dev. I hate it. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, I'm sorry. You guys are all fine, but do.

[Dorit Kemsley]

We all have to be involved? I wanted them to shut up so.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could eat my food and enjoy the beach. Although as much as I could enjoy the beach, considering it was nighttime and all I could see were tourists taking photos of us through the window like we're at the Today show. But either way, I'm getting riled up about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Erica's in her room, and Dorit comes over, and Dorit's like, oh, I.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Feel like last night was the first step.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, oh, Jesus, we had to listen to you all night. Poor Erica. And listen, have you ever heard me say poor Erica? Never. But whatever she's doing this season, just being quiet and pretending she's innocent of everything and, like, being nice. I think it's fun for her in a way. But it's all. Dorit's taking advantage of it. Dorit is really just showing up in every scene and talking about herself the entire scene. And Erica's gonna lose her mind soon and beat the shit out of Dorit, is what I think. Cause Dorit, you already took up everybody's night, and now you're gonna come in and start the morning this way, too, girl. Hmm.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Let's discuss this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Girl.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Look, there's stuff with Kyle, but to me, I'm concerned about your refrigerator. It is on the fritz. No, about your compact disc player. I mean, what do I use it for now, these days?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, your mental health. Because I've been there. You know, I've got a lot of experience with difficult husbands and difficult situations and difficult separations. I mean, just recently. Microwaves are difficult, difficult, difficult things. How do they even work? How are some containers made out of metal? But you're not allowed to put metal in the microwave? Riddle me that one, Robin.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I fear that my stapler is broken. I tried to staple two welcome mats together and it wouldn't go through. What do I do? I am fearful about that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, the most important thing is your mental health. I don't know what you're talking about. Can I put a fork in a microwave or not?

[Ben Mandelker]

Here. Hi, this is Garcelle calling Dorit. May I speak with Dorit? I just wanted to say one thing.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Yes?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So can't you not put a fork.

[Dorit Kemsley]

In a microwave or.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm leaving.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, I want to be around people that make me feel good, that I like, trust, that I could laugh with. And that's where I am in my life right now. I've got enough to hold up. I've got enough that I need to be strong for.

[Dorit Kemsley]

This is me putting my foot down. It's the same with Kyle. I put my foot down with PK and I unfortunately stepped in some marshmallow. But, you know, that happens, and I'm not going to do it anymore. I can't. This is my fight song. My CD player's broken song, my folk in the microwave song. This is my fight song.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, this is Garcelle calling it again. Just to say it one more time.

[Ben Mandelker]

No commercials.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Here comes one right now.

[Jennifer Tilly]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then Jennifer Tilly comes into Kathy's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Room and she's like, that was so much fun yesterday.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, I know. Kyle, Kyle, get in here, please.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Kyle's like, what? It was fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is where she's trying to make her get makeup for her or something.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is when the insanely rich ladies in caftans summon Kyle so they can like paw her around or whatever. Because Jennifer Tilly is basically at Kathy Hilton level now with that Simpsons money, I have to imagine also with her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Looney Tunes ness, you know, she's really out there.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She's like, you know when you and got into It. You know what? Oddly, this sounds really awful, but I was kind of enjoying it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kathy's like, it was like tennis.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It was. It was wonderful.

[Ben Mandelker]

We just.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's why I didn't interrupt. You know, first of all, I have too much respect for Yvonne Lendl to interrupt any tennis match. But also, I would also have a little conversation today.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Be bold, Kyle. Kyle's like, oh, well, if I feel like it. And she's like, yeah, but, you know, just let your feelings kind of, you know, lead the way, but don't be annoying about it like you usually are. Just, you know, just talk about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know what Kyle really needs to do? Show her feelings on this show. I don't think anybody's really used to seeing that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Kyle's like, but I did. You know, I don't need to keep doing that. I just want to go have fun today. You know, let's just let it digest. Like, we'll just see where what happens. We'll see what happens.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to go get my shoes on. So now they're putting on final touches because they're about to go on their excursion. Everything. And they're going to go to. They're going to go on this boat and everything. So they are. They all start arriving down at the bar, you know, and of course, it's like, here their looks. Hear their looks. And Sutton is like. She's like, hey, are you holding court, Jennifer?

[Dorit Kemsley]

And she's like, oh, look at you. Look at your little jojo siwa hairpiece. Oh, my gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was really channeling Grace Kelly. I don't know what jojo what a jojo siwa is.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Grace time is over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, okay. I guess so.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Jennifer Tully Tilly sees Dorit and she.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, hello, Stevie Nicks. You look gorgeous. What do you want?

[Ronnie Karam]

Nothing like Stevie Nicks. I'd like to add, there wasn't even from. Yeah, There was not even a single element that looked like Stevie Nicks.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Kyle's just standing there looking at everybody like, oh, my God, Dorit's here.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Awkward, awkward.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, making subtle Kyle faces. And she's like, I just feel incredibly.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Awkward, but, like, I'm just ridiculous to go back to punishing again.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, ladies, I have a little surprise since we're running late. Thanks, Kyle. We're going to arrive in style, so follow me. So they go out to these little kind of like mini cars. They're like. It's like those golf cart things that are turned to that Made to look like little Jeeps. And so they're going to drive those to the boat. So, like, yay. Since we're running late, we're going to drive smaller, less safe versions of cars. Like, okay, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they just kind of make small talk in these cars. And Bose is like, so have you been on a boat before with these ladies? Garcelle? And she's like, oh, yes, I have. And she asked her how they behaved, and she's like, oh, God, Mexico. Erica was trying to figure out the balance of pills and alcohol, and Bo is like, I'm sorry, what? And she's like, we're all a mess. All of us were a mess. I've said too much.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's all right. I invented messes. So then Kyle is with Sutton and Jennifer, and she's like, you know what's so funny? You guys will not believe this. My sister, she comes in, she goes, do you have an extra toothbrush? And I was like, I went in, and she was, like, brushing her eyeshadow. Brush. She was brushing with it. Okay. She was, like, polishing her teeth with the toothpaste. Is that, like, hilarious? And we see Kathy is brushing her teeth with the makeup brush.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then, let's see, Kathy passes by. She's like, hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's just waving at random people on the street.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I thought she was talking to them.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it was like a random person on the street. She's like, hello, I'm Kathy Hilton. I just bought you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then they go to the marina, and there's a big old boat there for them.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Sutton's like, I'm going to say this is a 90 footer.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's my guess.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then they meet Captain Theo, the stud. Captain Theo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Sutton's, like, hot for him and everything. And so they're just, like, walking around. Kathy. Everywhere Kathy Elton goes, she goes. Kathy Hilton. Nice to meet you. Kathy Hilton. Nice to meet you. I'm like, we know you're wearing a bucket hat, and you're very wealthy, and you're also famous, so. Kathy Hilton. Nice to meet you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Sutton's in love with the captain, you know, and so everybody's making fun of Fun of her, but Kathy's like, ladies, please pay attention. She's like, ladies, please pay attention to the captain. So he's like, I'm Theo. I'm your captain today. I just need to go over a few safety things for you, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

And Sutton's like, captain Theo. He's got very large biceps and, like, a Beautiful voice. And we're seeing, like, these shots of him, and he's just, like, not being sexy at all. He's like, we have life vests underneath the seats, and there's seats upstairs and seats in the back. So all. Also, please do not put any toilet paper in the toilets. Please put them in the trash, because they're sensitive systems, and they do clog very easily. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna ride.

[Ben Mandelker]

Him like a private seat on an airplane. Kick back his knees and relax on him. Meanwhile, he's like, we shouldn't drown, but if we do, just grab onto that lady's lips. There's something going on there. Kyle's just like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Excuse me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kathy's like, all right, should we enjoy ourselves? So then they are like. They go sitting. They go. They're gonna go sit down and have lunch and everything. And this food. Oh, they're. They're sitting down for lunch, but the food is being cooked. And there's a chef, and he is working the grill. And of course, Kathy goes right up to him, and he's like, you know, say, I'm a barbecuer. So maybe if we put that. Put it on the top thing there. Yeah. Since what does Kathy Hilton. I'm a barbecue commandeer. A barbecue. Why is she a pit master?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Carl's like, oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed. Why did she tell the chef how to cook? And Carl's like, kathy can be very bossy. Like, is it on the right temperature? You know what you should do? Add a little, like. What is it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, salt, like, okay, normally I'd say this is extremely unprofessional of Kathy to be doing to people. I'm kind of gross and cringy. On the other hand, you really still need to figure out how to learn salmon. So maybe just have Kathy over and let her do it to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe, like, maybe Kathy's not bossy. Maybe it's just that she realizes that her sister doesn't even know how to open a door in her house and is like, I have to help. I need to intervene.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then now they take their seats and stuff, and Dorit's in the back bar at the yacht bar, ordering her drink and stuff. And she's like, I'll do a bit.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Of a deal with club soda. Three limbs. Lemons. Lemons out. I'm sorry to disappoint everyone, but it's a new era of drink ordering. I've decided to stop confusing the pores.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yeah. She basically is like, I'm on a booze cruise in, like, the San Diego suburbs. They're not gonna understand what carcass is. That's what she's saying to herself.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was very disappointed in hearing the street corner. I did not like it. Yeah. So then a lot of this episode is just, like, fun, fun times. You know, It's a fun times. Epis.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're sitting down. They're like. They're. They're, like, eating their lunch and everything. The chef comes and makes a presentation, etc. And Kathy, after they start eating, Kathy is like, so, you know, you've been talking a lot. You've been talking a lot because sudden's getting allergies. And so Kathy's like, you've been talking a lot. And Kyle's like, yeah, your throat must be so sore. And son goes, well, speaking of sore throats, the two of you, Kyle and Dorit talking, like, two streptococcus bacteria in the back of a throat given someone strep. Okay, you talked a lot last night. You. You. You bacteria people.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just curious, y'all, because since nobody.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

On this show has anything going on, how are you feeling? Would you like to fight again?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I. I really don't feel like it today.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Bo, do you want to have your first fight today?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Garcelle?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Anybody want to do anything today on this show? No.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, no, no. I don't want. Kim.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're not on this trip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kim.

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone please take Kim back off the boat.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hey, Kim.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Well, I. I don't think I have anything to say. I think I pretty much said everything I need to say.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I think that I said everything because, you know, Kyle, she's probably going to die.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, you know, got my D photo, and I put it up in the office, and, yeah, pretty good.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Obsessed. So Kyle's like, okay, well, you know, Dorit, you go first. So Dorit's like, well, I needed to get a few things off my chest because it was building up, and once you release it, you feel better. And I'm angry, I'm frustrated. I'm hurt. It's from a deep, deep place of tragedy and cornucopia, from which springs the mystery misery that I've been infected with thus far. Bully. Bully. Jab, jab.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I love you. I don't hate you. I don't not love you.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, wait, no. Kyle's like, well, I appreciate that a lot. I mean, this is where I get, like, both of us are going through so much, and, like, I'm somebody that if I care about somebody, it weighs on me really heavily. But that's only if I care about somebody. But, like, as we know from Amazon Live, we're really not even closely friends, so. And I just don't. I don't, you know, like you. I don't. And you don't need to be thinking about this right now. And, like, I don't need to be thinking about this. And, like, I'm just trying to grow my bangs back. And we have really important life stuff going on, and we really need all of our energy for that. So what I'm trying to say is I'm just trying to put energy into fostering a better relationship with Jamie Lee Curtis. She has an Oscar now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And to read.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's like, you do know the ironing of it all.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think you mean irony.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

No, I really don't. I could use an iron here. This is disgusting that I'm dressed like. Like this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do. But no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes. No. Well, the ironing is that our husbands are closer than ever indefinitely leaning on one another. And you and I are so far apart, Kyle. I even asked for three lemons out of a glass.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, I forgot to mention Mariso asked me to tell you to tell PK to stop leaning on him because he keeps falling over.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kyle is like, actually, Mauricio and PK are close. Closer than ever. And also Kyle and PK are closer than ever. The only one kind of left out here is you. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yep, yep. And that's going to come out, I think, next week. So Kyle. I mean, it starts to come out this week. So Kyle is like. And by the way, and I apologize once again for hurting your feelings in any way. And I know there are things that I can learn from this. Will I learn from them?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I know that they're there. I'll leave them, though. I'll leave them there.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, this is me and Coyle turning a corner. And I do feel hope to mystique that we can potentially put the pieces of our friendship back together. We've got more conversations to have, but they don't all have to be toxic. Intimal truth. We'll get back to this in two more scenes.

[Ben Mandelker]

If everyone's like, oh, God, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hate to break it to you, Dorit, but you're turning a corner into a cul de sac. Okay. It's a day end.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that was a storyline, though. A cul de sac storyline. Just going over and I just passed.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

This house, didn't I?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's just going in a circle around the cul de sac, not realizing that there's an exit. Yeah. So they, they all cheers to her. And Garcelle's like, well, I want to see what the bottom of the boat is like. Which is my feeble excuse from getting away from you idiots. So she's like, okay, I'm going to go. And Kyle's like, yeah, I need to get, get on my phone and check on my children. Like your kids are like 26 and out of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Literally have you on block. Like they're old.

[Ronnie Karam]

Except for Portia and she's definitely not answering her call.

[Ben Mandelker]

Portia's 16. She doesn't want her mom calling her.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just a school day. She's at school.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

[Ronnie Karam]

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