#2653 RHOSLCS5E13 Part Two: Room Doom

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2653: RHOSLCS5E13 Part Two: Room Doom

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens by Wondery
Release Date: December 12, 2024

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Introduction

In Episode #2653 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the tumultuous events of Season 5, Episode 13 of Bravo’s Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC), aptly titled "Room Doom." This episode is the second part of their two-part recap, where Ben and Ronnie dissect the intricate dynamics, fierce confrontations, and underlying tensions among the housewives as they navigate their luxurious yet contentious villa assignments.

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Room Assignments and Initial Conflicts

The episode kicks off with the housewives settling into their assigned rooms, setting the stage for ensuing drama. Tensions rise as room assignments are scrutinized, leading to feelings of favoritism and neglect.

• Ronnie Highlights:
  "So now they sit on these couches and have some cocktails and they're talking about their sweets... they're talking about the rooms, and Angie loves it. Whitney's like, yeah, it is great."
  [04:09]

• Ben Observes:
  "It's not that crazy of a word, but that's okay."
  [04:27]

Accusations of Ungratitude and Slut-Shaming

A significant portion of the episode revolves around Bronwyn expressing feelings of ungratefulness towards Lisa regarding the room assignments. Bronwyn accuses Lisa of favoritism, leading to a heated exchange filled with personal attacks and accusations of slut-shaming.

• Bronwyn’s Confrontation:
  "I wanted to be comfortable with the only person here who I think really knows me and has my back and has been my friend for a long time."
  [12:13]

• Ben’s Commentary:
  "My turn, my turn."
  [04:18]

• Notable Quote from Ronnie:
  "Stop going back in time. Stop going back."
  [14:31]

The Fallout Among Housewives

As the argument intensifies, relationships among the housewives become strained. Britney finds herself caught in the middle, defending her actions while also being criticized for her behavior.

• Britney’s Defense:
  "I would just tell you how I feel, Lisa. You need to be mature enough to hear it without trying to tell me I'm a slut."
  [16:17]

• Ronnie’s Insight:
  "She's just the message that Lisa is trying to send to Bronwyn like, I'd rather have Britney than you."
  [07:18]

Introduction of New Conflicts and Rekindling Old Flames

The episode doesn't shy away from introducing new layers of conflict, with Britney and Angie escalating their feud. Accusations fly regarding Britney’s personal life and past actions, further complicating the villa's atmosphere.

• Angie’s Accusation:
  "You're doing three guys and you're drunk and you're claiming to be some sort of Mormon."
  [24:25]

• Ben’s Sarcastic Remark:
  "I don’t like, crotless panties."
  [34:38]

Hosts’ Take on Bravo’s RHOSLC Dynamics

Ben and Ronnie provide their unique perspectives on the evolving dynamics of RHOSLC. They commend the show's chemistry and highlight the standout performances of both veterans and newcomers.

• Ben’s Praise:
  "It's like, you know, the best that comes. Everyone sort of has a unique personality... that's why the show is so good."
  [44:14]

• Ronnie’s Support for Cast Members:
  "I actually like Whitney loud now that I'm kind of used to just how Whitney is."
  [44:14]

Bravo’s Ratings and Future of RHOSLC

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts discuss Bravo’s ratings for RHOSLC, noting that while traditional viewership metrics may not fully capture the show’s popularity, online chatter and social media engagement indicate a strong fanbase.

• Ben on Ratings:
  "Ratings were really the sole thing, and now they're part of the picture. But, like, chatter online is important and just other things."
  [45:24]

• Ronnie’s Optimism:
  "I've had so many of those with people just talking about whatever they're watching, you know?"
  [47:09]

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Conclusion

Episode #2653 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of RHOSLC’s "Room Doom," capturing the essence of the intense drama, strategic alliances, and personal vendettas that make the show a staple for Bravo fans. Ben and Ronnie skillfully navigate through the labyrinth of conflicts, providing insightful commentary and memorable quotes that resonate with both avid viewers and newcomers alike. Their analysis not only highlights the current tensions but also underscores the enduring appeal and intricate relationships that keep audiences hooked season after season.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie Karam:
  "Slut shaming me."
  [16:17]

• Ben Mandelker:
  "I’ve been preserving high body count hair."
  [31:10]

• Ronnie Karam:
  "Stay out of it. Stay out of it."
  [25:41]

• Ben Mandelker:
  "No game downloads, no special hardware. Just gaming."
  [02:00] (Note: This quote pertains to an advertisement and is included here for completeness.)

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[Ben]

Who cares what happens when there's so much happens? Watch what happens. Watch Crapons when there's so much that happens. Hello and welcome to Watch what crap Ins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

[Ronnie]

So now they sit on these couches and have some cocktails and they're talking about their sweets. Sorry, that just like swigged a cherry Seven up or a cherry Doctor? A strawberry. Strawberries and cream, zero sugar, Dr. Pepper. It was an adventure. I just had an adventure over here. So anyway, they're talking about the rooms, and Angie loves it. Whitney's like, yeah, it is great. And promo goes, I'll be the contrarian then, so. And Brittany goes, oh, contrarian. That's the word of the day.

[Ben]

It's not that crazy of a word, but that's okay.

[Ronnie]

Why? She's friends with Heather. What was the word that Heather was like? Oh, my God. Okay. Shakespeare.

[Ben]

Yes. I forget what it was. I mean, listen, it's no adjudicate. So still speaking. Still me.

[Ronnie]

Still me.

[Ben]

My turn, my turn.

[Ronnie]

Heather D. Bro.

[Ben]

Heather. Heather Dubrow and Bronwyn together. Now that would be a trip.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Heather would have her killed. So Brittany's like, oh, my God. Big words. Right, guys? God, my children would probably ignore her in two seconds. So Brom was like. So I was just surprised at, like, how the room assignments landed. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest about that. Lisa. Lisa. I'm gonna be honest about that with you. I'm gonna be really, really honest about that right now. Lisa.

[Ben]

But what about them? What about them? What about the rooms? Because they're beautiful.

[Ronnie]

Well, I mean, you and I are the longest friends here. And then you put me in the villa with two people who aren't speaking to me at the moment.

[Ben]

Well, are you guys not why they're.

[Ronnie]

Not speaking to you? Because you literally treated them like shit and mean girl them when you had nobody else on your side last week because you had already mean girl them all. Like, you need to not mean girl the whole cast at once. Girl.

[Ben]

Like, yeah, you. They were on your side until you snapped at them at camp day. So then Bronwyn is like. She's like, I mean, we talked today because we're all in there together, so we got to figure it out, right? I mean. And Lisa's like, yeah, but you guys are just like next door. So I didn't think it was a problem. She's like, yeah, but it's a little weird. It's a little weird that you didn't care at all. Especially when where I am physically right now as a woman who is currently foaming at the mouth and seeing triple because I got bitten by a rabid dog. And you don't even care about that.

[Ronnie]

To make it feel like you guys are in a green pinto and I'm locked outside of it, just crashing my body up against her is trying to murder you all. Wait a minute. Is that Kujo?

[Ben]

You know what? You know what? I just. The room is totally beautiful. I just was surprised. She goes, well, I'm not. I'm just always going to be honest with you. And Brahman's like, you know what? And, you know, you and Britney are like new friends. And I have been, you know, you and I have been friends a long time, Lisa. So I'm just a little surprised, that's all. I'm always gonna be honest with you. I'm a little surprised.

[Ronnie]

Well, maybe she likes me better now. Stupid Britney.

[Ben]

Hey there, body count here.

[Ronnie]

And Lucy goes, no, I love all my friends. And Brahma goes, well, maybe she does. Well, fuck it. Mazel to you then. But wait, that was not an insult. Oh, you know what? I'm happy. I'm happy that I'm with you guys. No offense. No offense. No offense, guys. And Whitney's like, that is offensive.

[Ben]

Britney does. Oh, really?

[Ronnie]

Huge word, Whitney. Huge word. Am I right? What is everybody talking today? Do I get. Do I get a duolingo to sit at this dinner?

[Ben]

And Britney is so proud. She's sitting there almost like practically with, like, crossed arms, just smirking like, I'm in the varsity room. And Whitney's like, britney doesn't even realize that she's a pawn. She's just the message that Lisa is trying to send to Bronwyn like, I'd rather have Britney than you. And that is the ultimate dis to Bronwyn. And Britney doesn't even get it.

[Ronnie]

And Whitney's like, well, I think we usually pick our own Room we're not as. And Bronwyn's like, well, here's the thing, Lisa, here's the thing. You know when I felt a certain kind of a way when I did that?

[Ben]

Well, I'm hosting the trip differently. I'm hosting it differently than you.

[Ronnie]

Oh, she's not even gonna listen to me now. She's not even gonna listen to me. Guys, I'm listening to Listen, Lisa.

[Ben]

I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm listening. Speak.

[Ronnie]

Well, you're getting a little bit of bass in your voice, Lisa, when you're speaking to me and you tell me what rooms to be in and I shouldn't be uncomfortable. And poor Britney was so uncomfortable. And you know, Britney's like a base.

[Ben]

In your voice as a singer. I can tell you what that means. She goes, well, well, you're attacking me because you mentioned bass, which is a singing thing and I sing in Tokyo.

[Ronnie]

I'm not, I'm not. I'm speaking to Lisa. I'm not even looking at you, Britney.

[Ben]

Okay, I totally heard everything you said. And in my mind they're all beautiful rooms and like as far as I'm concerned, they might as well be connected and they're like right next door to each other.

[Ronnie]

Oh, oh, oh. So it's such a small deal and I'm misunderstanding. Then why don't you just say Bronwyn, it's a small deal. You're misunderstanding instead of being like, well, actually I gave you a beautiful room. Actually, actually, actually.

[Ben]

Because that's how I feel. Because that's how I fell. That's how I feel.

[Ronnie]

Okay, but you're not understanding how I'm feeling, Lisa. You're not understand because this is so ridiculous. She did, she did just say what you're saying it is. She is saying it's a misunderstanding, it's a small deal and she didn't mean it. And Bronwyn is still trying to spin every single thing and make it like some huge affront. So ridiculous. Okay, continue, Ben, continue.

[Ben]

So Lisa's like, bronwyn, I am your friend and I showed you that I am your friend. And it's weird that anyone has any problem with any of the rooms, okay? Especially since you brought blinged out passport holders on my group trip.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I don't have a problem with the room. I don't have a problem problem with the room. Okay? I have a problem with what's happening between you and I and I'd rather that as friends that you could hear out what I'm Saying and say, damn, I'm so sorry you felt that way. Let's fix it versus telling me to be fucking grateful that Lisa Barlow took you on a trip. Wow. Wow. She didn't do that. She didn't say, be grateful to have you on it. What the fuck are you talking about? She never said that. Oh, my God. This is crazy that someone can get me to stand up for Lisa Barlow this much, because I have to say Lisa Barlow is 80% wrong all the time. At least I don't understand how I'm this much on her side. But you're lying, ma'am. You are lying. You're flat out lying.

[Ben]

Well, I don't think I could do. I could. I could do. I could do, make you feel grateful compared to the other trips you go on. And I go on luxury trips, too. And she's, oh, so now I'm snobby.

[Ronnie]

No one said that either. But when I do a trap. But then Lisa falls for it and she's like, oh, really? You're going to call me snobby? So now I'll be snobby. Which. Why are you doing that? You know, like, this is where Lisa is standing on the high ground. And then she's just like, you know what? I don't like being on high ground because I don't look good from the angle where someone's, like, standing below me. So I don't want people to stare at my waddle. So I'm going to come down to the ground where they're standing. So she comes down off the high ground and she's like, well, guess what? You know what? I also do luxury trips, too. And, you know, when I do a trip, I like to make sure that every single detail is separate. Back shine.

[Ben]

Let's be real clear about who's ungrateful. Ungrateful about who's tripped first, Lisa, because it was you who bitched and moaned about the trip that I took you on.

[Ronnie]

Oh, because I don't want to fly coach. I don't fly coach. I would never fly commercial.

[Ben]

Okay, well, I flew commercial, did I not? I flew commercial here. Did you spring for a plane for all of us?

[Ronnie]

You first class. You. You flew first class. You first. You were first class. And no, I did not spring up a plane for you guys, okay? Because instead, I put the money towards a plane for. For me and my husband to go to London this summer. So there you go.

[Ben]

The lack of gratitude. Oh, my gosh. I put so much time into this.

[Ronnie]

And I have to say that Lisa's doing. She is saying these things, the lack of gratitude. But that's not until after Bronwyn is accusing her of saying this stuff, which she never said in the first place. That's what's so crazy about Lisa. It's like Bronwyn's lying about her. But then Lisa turns around and makes all of this stuff true.

[Ben]

So Bronwyn's like, you're missing the point. I'm not saying to you that I wanted a different room. She's like, I'm saying I wanted you. I wanted to be with you. You know how annoying it is to complain about you from a different villa? I want to complain to your face, like I'm doing right now. Imagine this experience right now. We could be having it all night long in our bedrooms.

[Ronnie]

You know what? You're next door to me. You're next door to me. You're next door to me. That's. That's how I greet my new neighbors on the streets I live. You're next door to me. You're next door.

[Ben]

Heather's like, she's in an impossible situation because, yeah, you're next door, okay? Other than sleeping and taking a shit, you're with me. And Heather's like. And it's not like we're together. We're all in separate rooms, you know?

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah, Well, I don't care about a room. I wanted to be comfortable. I wanted to be comfortable with the only person here who I think really knows me and has my back and has been my friend for a long time. Then you shouldn't have been on her ass all season long because you've been a shitty friend all season, I think. Also, I'm sitting and now you're acting like, oh, my God, we were best friends. And now you're putting me in a different villa.

[Ben]

Yeah, this is. This is wild. So Lisa. Lisa's like, I do. I do have your back. But, like, I have your. The thing is, in between me and your back, there's like a wall and a walkway and another wall and then you. So it's fine. But I still have your back.

[Ronnie]

I have your back because literally, I'm behind you in a better room. She goes, but instead of hearing me out, you've called me snobby. You've called me ungracious. She never said any of those things.

[Ben]

You're the one who said, oh, so now I'm snobby. So can I have another drink? Oh, so now I'm an alcoholic, too?

[Ronnie]

She called me an alcoholic, everybody. Great.

[Ben]

Okay. You need to calm down. Oh, now I have adhd. Okay, fine, fine.

[Ronnie]

So Ronan's like, oh, this has been a long time coming. You were just yelling at her two weeks ago. What are you acting like this, like you've been holding it in all this time? She goes, lisa has some really harsh opinions about me to say we've always been friends and she doesn't know why there's a problem and she defends me and she has my back. Well, no, that has never been the case. And I'm at my breaking point with it. I'm honestly at my breaking point.

[Ben]

Well, what can she do to make it right? Says Heather. And I don't know, Like, I know, like, what can I do better? What can I do better other than serving top tier tequila in this beautiful vill?

[Ronnie]

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm not trading Britney. Don't even look at me. I'm not trading shit.

[Ben]

When he's like, how about. How about just say, I'm sorry I made you feel that way? Well, I don't say things the way someone else wants me to say them. I say things the way I want them to say them and the way I feel. So if I wanted to say that, this is what I would say instead.

[Ronnie]

So wait, you're saying that you're never sorry, Whitney. They're just all gaslighting. So Lisa's like, wait, if I like, listen, don't shake your head. I'm telling you, we can't go back in time. Stop going back in time. Stop going back. I can't back in time.

[Ben]

So I'm a time traveler. Foxy. So I'm a time travel. I'm a time traveler now? Is that what you're saying? Oh, so now I look like. Now I look like Christopher Lloyd? You're saying my hair is draggly? Is that what you're saying? Am I like Biff? Okay, real.

[Ronnie]

Thanks.

[Ben]

Thanks so much. Okay.

[Ronnie]

So then now it's time to go to the table. And I love at this restaurant, they have to keep being interrupted. So someone's like, okay, ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies. Whoa, ladies. Okay, your table's ready, so let's go. They're okay, so they get up and usually this is where they kind of shift. Like, they kind of calm down. They walk to their table, they make small talk about how lovely their trip is. A couple of jokes, but nope, Bronwyn will not do it. So they start walking and Bronwyn's like, I mean, Lisa, I'm trying to tell you how I Feel. And you, A, keep talking over me and B, making out like I'm being ungrateful and then kicking me in the face by saying I'm snobby. And I'm just like, I'm just not up for it, Lisa. I'm just not really. For being kicked in the face, out my face. My face literally bruised. Like, she kicked me in the face. You all saw that, right? They all said that they saw you kick me in the face, Lisa.

[Ben]

So now you're saying I'm a kickball, basically, you're just going to kick me and, like, hope some child catches me and maybe, like, throws me at another child and you win a point, and it's all like, I'm just a sacrificial lamb. I just get tossed around. You don't even care because everyone only cares about people running around bases. But, like, who cares about the ball? That's basically what you're saying to me, right? Huh? Okay, thanks a lot.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, you know what? I'm just not up for shit from you, Lisa. And she goes, you know what? I. It's like, you're making shit out of nothing. You're making shit out of nothing.

[Ben]

So now I'm a magician. I just conjure up things. I'm just a magician. You're basically saying, I'm a magician. I should be burned to the stock. I steak. I'm like a witch? Is that what you're saying? Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot.

[Ronnie]

I wish you were. I'd get a white tiger in here immediately. You're making me crazy. And you know, my intention was just to come here and have a great time with you.

[Ben]

Oh, so now I'm like a slut? I'm like a hooker? You're just going to pay me money and have a good time? Like a good. Have a good time for a night with me. Thanks a lot, Lisa. Thanks a lot.

[Ronnie]

You know what, Lisa? I'm already bruised in the face from you kicking me in it. And you know what? I can also have a tell you how I feel, Lisa. You know, and you. You need to be mature enough to hear it without trying to tell me I'm a slut. I'm a moron. You know, I'm an idiot. I'm a horrible human being. And, you know, then kicking me in my face. That was my face.

[Ben]

And on top of that, I have an impairment, I'd like to add. So Lisa's like. It's like, I didn't tell you. You're wrong. Not one Time. Did I say you're wrong? I'm just expressing my point of view. She goes, well, you did.

[Ronnie]

You implied that I was wrong. And then you said that I have five parking tickets on my windshield, which is really crazy. So now I pay for parking tickets, and now I'm being ridiculous. And now I'm being snobby and I'm an asshole. Now I'm a slut. Now I'm a whore. Now I'm a whore. Lisa. I'm a murderer. Lisa. A child murderer. Lisa. Oh, now I'm a child murderer, everybody. Great.

[Ben]

Oh, oh, and by the way, thanks for accusing me of keeping a giant gorilla in my basement. I don't do that. Okay. Do I love Tonki Bee? Yes. But is he in my basement? No. Okay, I think you've really lost the thread here. Ron Whitley.

[Ronnie]

Don't Tread on Me is all I'm saying.

[Ben]

So Britney is like, I just. I. I just think, you know, it just feels like ungrateful. And Brahman's like, I'm sorry. Britney says, I think she just feels ungrateful. And Brahman's like, britney, I'm just not. I'm not going to hear that from you. Like, don't butt in.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, you're insulting. You're insulting. You're insinuating that I switch rooms with you and I don't want to. She never did that to you either. What are you talking about? So then Lisa, now they're all talking over each other, and Lisa's like, you know what? It's ridiculous to hear your friend tell that she tried to give you the best Rome and make you most happy and then not appreciate it.

[Ben]

And then basically, the rotating Les Mis set of this turns and this fight swivels out to backstage, and in comes Angie and Meredith, because Angie now sits and sees that there is a tote bag, a Brooks Marks tote bag on her seat that has stuff. And she looks in it, she sees it, and her face, she has this look on her face, like, this fucking bitch.

[Ronnie]

Because at first she's like, oh, my God, did you get me a gift? She sees it's a Brooks Mark's bag. So she's like, oh, my God, Meredith is apologizing to me. This is huge. I'm putting this on my IMDb, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah. So Angel's like, did you get me a gift? And Brahman still. It's still petering off. Robin's like, I never once insinuated that you switched ribs. Yes, you did.

[Ronnie]

Yes, you did.

[Ben]

You called me out you did.

[Ronnie]

You did.

[Ben]

Martha's like, guys, guys, there's a new fight starting. Hush. Hey, why does she have a Brooks Marks bag? As if.

[Ronnie]

Why do I have a Brooks Marks bag? And Meredith is like, I love the sound of you shrugging.

[Ben]

Angie goes, oh, I love that. I love that. You're making everything a merch moment. Have fun. I'm like, you are literally made your Bat Mitzvah give to merch moments.

[Ronnie]

It's your merch. Like, you're. She's literally returning your merch to you in her merch.

[Ben]

You guys should be both part of the merchant Marines, because this is a lot of merch back and forth.

[Ronnie]

Angie, didn't. Didn't Angie win the Golden Crappie? Did she win the Golden Crappy last year?

[Ben]

No, I think she was nominated.

[Ronnie]

I think canceled out each other's votes, right? Because there were two from Salt Lake City.

[Ben]

I think Monica may have won best.

[Ronnie]

No. Monica. No, no. Somebody else won. I don't remember who won. Anyway, I don't know why it matters. Bath bomb for her, but you know what? That's dead. That joke's dead. Okay, so she's like, you think I came to your Bat Mitzvah with all of this shit for you? And it was passive aggressive. Is that what you are saying? And Mary's like, well, I heard you wanted everything back. This whole episode is people accusing each other of saying things that were never said. It's so funny. It's. Every single one of them is doing.

[Ben]

It, so and so. Yeah, that's like, well, I heard you wanted everything back. They promised. Oh, here's everything back. Is that what I said? Is that not what you said? Is that what I said, Meredith? That's what I was told you said.

[Ronnie]

That's.

[Ben]

Is that what I said? Is it not what you said? Isn't what you said? Is it what I said? What did I say?

[Ronnie]

And Heather's like, oh, my God, I swear I've heard this argument before. And then we see the clip to the bangs Party, the Audrey Hepburn bangs party, and it was this exact same thing. So Heather's like, at least they're consistent. Sorry, everybody. I just peed on the ground. I just didn't want to sit.

[Ben]

So awkward.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Grinch]

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[Ben]

So Angie's like, you know, I was very emotional and very hurt and very heated and I said, I brought a gift. And Britney's like, you know, and I would have. And you also said, I would have given it back to you and you want to give it back to you. And she's like, Britney, stop it. Because Britney's like, she has a little bit of a walk now she's in the cool girl villa. So she's like, I'm gonna butt in on every argument now. And that's stake my claim.

[Ronnie]

I guarantee you at the reunion, Britney's gonna do that, where it's going to be like, well, Meredith, what do you think about your relationship this year with Seth? Well, I'll tell you what, I didn't believe it. That's right, girls. I said it. So, yeah, so they're fighting. So Andrew's like, you know, I was emotional and hurt. And he did. I said, I brought a gift. And Britney's like, well, I would have given it back to you. Shut up, Britney. She's like, well, I was part of this. I was part of this. Just like, stay out of it. But I'm the reason you got kicked out in the first place because apparently you have a history of slut shaming. Am I right, girls?

[Ben]

And then it's correct. There is a history of slut shaming with her. And Angie's like, why are you stepping into this? I mean, quite literally, Heather's pool of urine there. And Britney's like, because not. Because I would have done the exact same thing. Angie goes, you know, take the shampoo because your hair is fucking fried and it looks like shit. And then she takes this tote that has two big heavy things of shampoo and like, basically does like the half toss across the table. Because you know Angie, she can only hold onto her prop for so long before she has to, like, toss it behind her, above her, or in front of her.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's the carrot top of this. She's like a WWF carrot Top. And so she throws it and the. And this drink knocks over. And everyone's like, whoa. Because it was really heavy. It's like, thump. You know? And Meredith goes, I may not have heard that, but I felt the vibration. And Britney's like, oh, that was a whole new low, Angie. That was so low. It was an accident. I handed you that bag. I did not know the bag was upside down. You drove Rama Queen.

[Ben]

No, you threw the bag over the table. Everyone, everyone, ting, ting, ting. I have an announcement. I've been assaulted by shampoo with sulfates in it. No less than assault.

[Ronnie]

Keep your mouth shut. That was just so rude. Stay out of it. Stay out of it. So she's like, but it has to do with me because you slut shamed me. Ow. Ow, it hurt. I got slut shamed.

[Ben]

I got slut shamed by shampoo.

[Ronnie]

And Brahma's like, wait a minute, what happened? That's not what happened, guys. That is not what happened.

[Ben]

That is not what happened. Britney. Brittany.

[Ronnie]

Somebody's going to ask me for my.

[Ben]

Brittany. Brittany. Well, you. First of all, you said I was effing 15 people at the same time. I'm like, you cannot keep adding five people to this tally every episode. It's like, is there interest on this?

[Ronnie]

Even. Even Meredith has to change it. And Meredith is like, no, she said three, actually. Well, at my Mormon family, though, my. That Mormon family night at my house, I had flowers on the table from someone I was dating. And she said, oh, yeah, that's from someone else that she's effing. Heather was standing right there. And Heather's like, I do not remember her saying effing.

[Ben]

We see a flashback to Mormon night. And Angie is like, you know, Britney's like, look at these flowers, guys. And Angie's like, oh, which guy is that from? And Heather's like, it's from guy number one. Yeah. Aaron, does your dad know that you're doing three guys?

[Ronnie]

And she's not even offended. She just laughs and goes, yeah, well, he's dating three women. It's like the same. I mean, where do you think I get this? So it was all fun back in the. And by the way, she didn't deny that she was doing three guys either, which could.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Easily lead somebody to think that she's doing three guys. So then we cut back, and Angie's like, so you wait until another religious event to say that I was slut? Because that is how important religious events are to you. Just. I did not call you a slut. You called me a slut. You started it. No, you started it. We all heard it at Mary's house. All of us harm it.

[Ben]

By the way, the best newbie at the crappies last year was Jessel. Jessel was best newbie. Angie lost out to Jaisal. Just putting that out there in case anyone's. You know, in case anyone's banging their.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Head on. Zero. So. So we have a splashback to the Tiffany's party with Britney complaining about the wine and Angie responding. And this is when Angie says, you're. You're doing three guys and you're drunk and you're claiming to be some sort of Mormon. And Angie's like, you went over and you told her that I was slutty. And Lisa's like, but why did she say you were a slutty. Stop. Always sticking up for everyone else, Lisa, stop doing that. Lisa. She's like, no, I'm just like, it's like a horse. Horse, horse. Voice battle. H O A R S E. She's like, yeah, no, I'm thinking for everyone else.

[Ronnie]

So, yeah. So now Angie's like, you're not sticking up for me now, Lisa? And Lisa's like, no, I'm just trying to speak in facts. And Britney goes, amen. Facts. Britney, who's sitting over there, like, compulsively lying for screen time.

[Ben]

Right?

[Ronnie]

And Ron was like, well, you know what? I've said that you're not sticking up for me right now either, Lisa. So that's what I'm also hearing from Angie. Am I right? And I'm also saying it, and I'm also hearing it. So that's. That's multiple people saying and hearing the same thing. My nose is bleeding right now from where I've been kicked. Are we all agreeing? We're all agreeing with that? Okay, great.

[Ben]

Anja, I have had your back more than anybody at this table. And she's like, I know, but right now it's. You're not. And that's fine. That's fine. That totally. Why can't we talk about.

[Ronnie]

Why can't we talk about. Hi, guys.

[Ben]

I have an announcement. I just got a fax machine. Fact, not facts. Oh, sorry.

[Ronnie]

Oh. So why do we have to lie? You know, you said to her, it was about a bottle of fucking wine. Who fucking cares about the wine? And then you said, you're doing, like, three guys. Are those not the same thing? Angie, it's not. And you know what? If you said that to me, it's enough. It's enough. It's below the belt, and it's over. It is over. Britney's like, you said, slutty tits.

[Ben]

And then Carlos, the waiter, arrives, and he's like, sorry, everyone. Can we. Can I tell you about the specials?

[Ronnie]

You said, I have slutty hair. You seriously said I have porn star tits.

[Ben]

You started it. And then I got kicked out. Okay, can we order from Carlos and then move on? I'm sorry.

[Ronnie]

Tits.

[Ben]

Carlos. She means in America. That means you. You have a pretty face. That's it. We do not have hate at this table.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh. So Angie's like, brittany, I would like to get through this conversation with Meredith. So Meredith's like, well, I do wanna understand, because I understand. With everything that went on the past couple of weeks, I was confused why I even wanted to be there. I mean, I'll be honest. Why? And she's like, because I wanted to be. So she's basically like, look, I Wanted to be on a path of support. I wanted to continue a positive trajectory. And that was great. And you invited me. And it was my first bat Mitzvah. I was just so grateful to be dressed like a mother. And then I was blindsided. And then I had no idea you would kick me out. There were security guards. And when you yelled at me in front of your children, Heather's daughter, your mother, your sister, Heather's oil change person.

[Ben]

I did everything right. I showed up. And Meredith is like, you didn't do everything right because you slut shamed her hashtag no hate with an 8 in the middle.

[Ronnie]

Angie, who was stomping around the party going, classless, bitch.

[Ben]

I know I did everything right. Having held back high body count hair. Do you know how many times I just said high body count hair? All week long, I'd just be standing there like, high body count hair.

[Ronnie]

I think that that is. The Bravo fandom has been walking around saying that. And also I've been saying, but what about me? Which I do kind of say a lot in my regular life anyway, so no one's really noticing.

[Ben]

Missed so. And so Andrew's up. Everybody was fighting. Everybody was kung fu fighting.

[Ronnie]

Let me tell you something. It was fastest lightning, okay? And Brown was like, that's not what happened. That's not what happened, Lisa. No, it's not. No, it's not. Hey, everybody, I'm shaking my head over here. We need to get some facts dropped.

[Ben]

I. I have an announcement to make. I did not start it. She's like, she called me a slut before. I didn't say one thing to her.

[Ronnie]

She goes, I called you the slut. I didn't. And Bronwyn's like, well, I'm gonna tell you this honestly. It was her who started the slutty conversation. Her meaning. I mean, Britney. And Brittany goes, wait a minute, did I? She goes, okay, here's the timeline. Britney called Angie a slut outside to me at the bat mitzvah. Then I tattletaled to Angie that Brittany had said it to me. And then Angie tattletaled to Britney and said it to her. And then Meredith only heard that very part of it.

[Ben]

Brahma goes, and I'll just make it simple. Britney said it first. Britney said it meanest. And I like Britney the least. She's the most in trouble.

[Ronnie]

So she's like, honestly, it went too far. I mean, Angie was wrong to say, you look like a porn star. Whatever. Angie goes, let's not insult porn stars right now. Okay?

[Ben]

So Lisa's like, ang, you know what? Fix it with her. You don't want to slut shame anyone. Say you're sorry. Have this. Like, she wasn't slut shaming her at all. She was calling her a hypocrite. Because it's hypocritical to, you know, not accept a bottle of wine when you drink wine. It's hypocritical, you know, to pretend your body count is equal to the men you married. When you have a boyfriend, it's hypocritical to say you're the cleanest person in the world and then you piss all over an airplane bathroom. Wait, sorry, that was me. Sorry, I take that one back.

[Ronnie]

And Brittany's like, but look, we're not sleeping together. I mean, my boyfriend and I aren't sleeping together. And even if we were, that's my business. And then she's like, oh, then so why does he buy you thigh high lingerie? And you're like, look at this. In the bathroom, Jared bought me this. I mean, he just bought you that? And you're not having sex? And she's like, well, I'm. And Brahma goes, yeah, at the drag show, you were running around the bathroom telling me Jared picked it out and you didn't even have underwear on when you said that to me. I mean, wow, wow, wow.

[Ben]

What did he pick it out for? Just tell me how you look in this and text me. And Britney's like, it was an amazing outfit. It was perfect for Belle. I was doing a revival in Milwaukee.

[Ronnie]

And then we see a flashback. The camera's behind the door, obviously, or in front of the door. They're behind it. And Britney's like, hey, look, no one else can appreciate this because they won't show it, but look how freaking sexy this underwear is. And Heather's like, oh, my God, I'm seeing what Jared Osmond is fucking literally into. She's like, he bought this for me. And then we cut back, and Bronwyn's like, I'm just telling you that no one's brought me crotchless panties. That's not fucked me.

[Carlos]

Not one.

[Ronnie]

Never.

[Ben]

No one's ever brought me crotchless panties, fucking or otherwise. That's Heather. She's like, carlos, could you do me a favor? Could you bring me some. Some crotchless panties? You don't even have to fuck me. I just want to know that someone brought them to me once in my life. Thank you so much.

[Ronnie]

My husband literally brought me panties made out of a wooden bucket from the garden.

[Ben]

I don't like, crotless panties.

[Ronnie]

Here's a barrel.

[Ben]

You could put that on instead. Okay, Todd. Thanks.

[Ronnie]

Oh, no, I was being Heather, Heather's husband. It's like he literally bought me curtains that never open as big velvet curtains.

[Ben]

Is there Crotalus Mormon underwear? Like, you know. So what do they call them? The garments? We can ask Jen Affleck.

[Ronnie]

The thermals? Yeah. Oh, the special garments.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

What are they called?

[Ben]

I think they're just called the garments, right?

[Ronnie]

What are they?

[Ben]

Just garments. Aren't they just called garments?

[Ronnie]

Undergarments, you know?

[Ben]

A girl. I was so proud. I wanted to say something. Okay, I have a question while we pause to look this up. On my flight back to la. Yeah, the. The girl next to me was. But she was across the aisle. Not adjacent to me on my. But she was like. We were both on the aisle. She was on the other side of the aisle and she was watching. She was binging Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on her phone. And I wanted to. And she was wearing a hat. Hat that said, thank God for. For monster trucks, queers, and like, something else. And. But it was like. It was good. It was. It was funny. It was like a funny hat. It wasn't like a homophobic hat. It was like. She was like, I'm a lesbian. And so, like, a homophonic ad. Yeah, it was kind of like. Like a. Hey, I'm a lesbian. And like, thank God for these things that I love. So I wanted to kind of like, lean over and be like. Like, you're on. You're on a great journey. I hope you enjoy it. I wanted to be like, I've seen this. It's so good. I wanted to, like, bond, but I felt like that would be intrusive and actually just downright annoying. Did I do the right thing by not saying anything?

[Ronnie]

Or should I say, if you have an instinct to talk to somebody in a friendly way, you should always do it. That's what I say.

[Ben]

Okay. But I mean, next time with me.

[Ronnie]

That's literally how I am your baby.

[Ben]

This is like, literally. I. I have said this before. There was a flight where one time I looked up and Ronnie was literally holding someone's baby and, like, throwing it up in the air, like, in the eye. You're, like, up and down. I was like, ronnie is full on playing with a stranger's baby in his hands right now.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's always good if you're. If you're in life and you ever feel the urge to speak to somebody, especially if it's something Fun. Even if they ignore you or treat you like you're an idiot, it's still worth it, you know?

[Ben]

Okay, so watch out, everyone. If you're watching one of our shows near me, I will now say something to you because I really wanted to. I wanted to, but then I was afraid I'd be annoying.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I've made so many little, you know, quick friends, you know, in life. Like, you just meet people and you have like a good friendship for two minutes and then it's over forever. You never see them again. I've had so many of those with people just talking about whatever they're watching, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. Now it's a missed opportunity. That's a bummer.

[Ronnie]

Come on, guys. Let's bring each other together. Let's come together. So then we're still talking about Britney's stupid underwear. And so then Britney's like, wait, this is a sex forward world. Everyone can do whatever they want. And the other goes, sex forward. She goes, yes.

[Ben]

Ron was like, she meant sex positive sex forward world. Britney's like, you know, there should be no shame. There should be no shame in abstinence, and there should be no shame in anything you want to do behind closed doors, including fucking an Osmond or not an Osmond. Whatever. I mean, I didn't say that. Either way, I can do one guy. I could do 10 guys, but I only did one guy. Not 15, not 20 guys, like Angie keeps saying.

[Ronnie]

But literally no one's shaming you. They're saying, how are you acting like you're such a puritan when you're, when you're, when you're bragging on television about multiple people. Like, you can't have it both ways. Like, she's like, well, you did it at a religious. You did it at religious night. Okay, but so you were also joking on the same night with Heather and her about how many guys you were doing. So get out.

[Ben]

So now that it, now that it's teetered in total pan into total pandemonium and is so ridiculous, Meredith is like, okay, okay, all right, all right, that's enough. Okay. I just want to say. I want to say something to you, Angie. I got very triggered when Britney came up to me and said that you were slot shamming her. Perhaps I don't have the whole story. Perhaps I do. Perhaps I just have a bath bomb that I'm going to give to every. Each and every one of you, including Rudy the Butler. And I don't know. But I was hoping for a different outcome. I really was. And I'm sorry that it ended the way it did.

[Ronnie]

I am, too. Thank you for saying that. I was devastated. I was hurt. I have always respected you as a mother, which is why I came dressed like a mother. Family is everything to me. And seeing you in that light as a family, I was devastated. The way that it. Please hurry this up. All the pauses are really. My hearing aids are pulsing in my ear, actually. Just hurry up.

[Ben]

So I don't want to.

[Ronnie]

Because I was devastated. I love Auntie Angie's acceptance of an apology. Isn't. I'm sorry, too, that I screamed and made a scene at your. Your thing.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I screamed about somebody being a slut and a. Instead, she's like, thank you, because you really devastated me.

[Ben]

Okay, we can eat now.

[Ronnie]

Oh, bye.

[Ben]

This whole situation with Angie has been very hurtful for me, and I didn't start or spread any of those rumors about Sean's sexuality, but they've chosen not to believe that that's what's been festering there. But hopefully now we can move forward.

[Ronnie]

And Heather's like, I love you both very much, and that was really hard. So I'm glad that you were able to make resolve. And they're all happy. And Angie's like, let's just stay in this moment for a minute. And Brahm was like, okay, well, no one mind my bloody face over here. Okay.

[Ben]

Heather's like, this has been two really great episodes in a row. So to that end, I just want to say receipts, proof, timeline. Just wanted to get that in there because I feel like people are forgetting about that a little bit. Like, I'm getting overshadowed a little bit. Okay.

[Ronnie]

You know who's really been relegated to the sidelines? Whitney.

[Ben]

Whitney.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh. And Whitney is trying and just know she's trying, but they. They bought Whitney times 10 in with Britney because Britney's doing the same thing that Whitney does, which is taking one little thing and twisting it. But Britney does it, like, times a hundred. You know, it's like putting Whitney out of a job.

[Ben]

You know, the thing is this. Is that this show is actually on such hyper drive. There's such big fights happening with everyone. They just can't focus on everything at once. Because earlier in the season, remember, people were like, where's Meredith? Meredith is, like, barely holding on to that snowflake. She's really been on the sidelines because in the beginning of the season, it was all about Lisa and Whitney. And so it's just like, people are just having their different moments, but they're all kind of, like, bringing it in fact, arguably. Really? Really. And, like, the. The ones who have been the most consistent, I feel like this season, the ones who've been really front and center have been Bronwyn and Angie, I think. And you could even say maybe even. Even Mary. Mary's not even in these fights, but she's been, like, a lasting presence. So when. When the. The. The images came out of the cast and Angie was in the center, it was sort of shocking. It's like, Angie, but she kind of has been in the middle. I think she and Anne Bronwin have been holding down the season, and the vets have been the ones who've been cycling in with their fight. It's sort of surprising.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, because you really do see the newbies coming in and taking it over, you know, because it's really rare that happens. And they're all kind of teaming up to do it. And Britney is just, like, fearless because they're just like, shut up. I mean, everybody. The whole audience is like, shut up. And she just. She is unflagged. That woman does not care. I mean, to see how much confidence she has and, like, how campy. She's just made it all on social media. Like, she's just like, I'm a joke. Okay, great. I'll sing Wicked on an escalator and cringe everybody the fuck out.

[Ben]

You know, semi green makeup on.

[Ronnie]

Or I'll do a skit in front of Eve Saint Laurent about owning the jacket that Andy or that Romwin claimed there were only three of. You know, she does not care. And the newbies are taking. They're running the asylum at this point, you know, especially mainly keeping up are Lisa and Meredith. Lisa and Meredith are like, I don't give a shit. Heather tried for a second, but then she got scared when she got. She got Top Dogs by Ronwin. She, like, backed down. But Meredith and Lisa are like, oh, hell no. We're staying. You're not taking out. We have. We need money to rent our houses. Be. You're not taking our snowflake.

[Ben]

Now, that being said, I hope Bravo really appreciates that. They have lightning in a bottle here, and. And they, like, don't. To me, I'm not saying don't make any changes for next season. I say keep it exactly how it is. This group has great chemistry. This is, like, on par with classic Rony. And I think that, like, they got to keep it. It, like, you'll know when it's, like, going long in the tooth. And you have to make some changes. But I think that right now, just because some people are taking a backseat at different parts of the season, it doesn't mean that we throw them out. So, like, Whitney has sort of, like, disappeared a little bit, but, like, let's, like, let's not be like, okay, well, she's got to go. Okay. She's just, she's in the mix as much as everyone else, and her stuff is impacting things, because if she weren't having a fight with Lisa, it would not have had ramifications with Bronwyn. So the balance is all really working so well. I, I, I just can't believe how good this, this show is. Weekend and week out. It's so good.

[Ronnie]

And I agree that they shouldn't get rid of Whitney either. I think they should keep Whitney. Like, I actually like Whitney loud now that I'm kind of used to just how Whitney is. And you know that she's just gonna lie and she's just gonna, like. I just love. I just love it. I love all of them, really. I think I, like, really all of them.

[Ben]

And they all have, like, a. They all. Yeah, and they all have, like. It's like, you know, the best that comes. Everyone sort of has a unique personality. Obviously, the Golden Girls, you got, like, four personalities there. You could say it's about friends, but, like, like, here, they all do play a certain specific role that, like, works. And that's why the show is so good, because they're not all trying to. They're not all trying to do the same thing. They, they all kind of have a different vibe. Bronwyn, as this easily offended person who also sasses back really well, is really carved out a great niche for herself. And then you have Meredith, who's, like, the classy one. It just, it works so well as an ensemble.

[Ronnie]

It really does. It's really good. I was looking at my phone because I was looking at Bravo ratings on Twitter or X. Who I love. Thank you for your service ratings. Bravo, you do a great job. But they don't have Salt Lake City up yet. Last Week's was at 4.484 million, which is just a tragedy. It's a tragedy. This should be the top rated. I think this should be one of the top rated Housewives shows for sure, and it's just not. And that was a season high in total viewers. So.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't, I don't. I just don't understand how Bravo ratings were. I think, I think it's just. I don't I should say I don't understand how ratings work.

[Ronnie]

Ratings, it's.

[Ben]

Mike. I don't understand how it works in 2024 in terms of.

[Ronnie]

Well, here's some comparison.

[Ben]

Eyeballs.

[Ronnie]

Here's comparisons. Beverly Hills is 0.714 million. So it's what, 80% more. It's almost double. So Beverly Hills usually is around a million or more. So everything's falling, I think, because of streaming and everything. So everything's coming down a little bit, but it should still be way higher. I mean, it should be.

[Ben]

But the good news is this, is that all these networks across the board, they're not relying on. On ratings as much anymore to determine the success of a show. That's what actually Bravo has been saying, but also other networks have been saying it too, that, like, that now ratings are not like it used to be. Ratings were really the sole thing, and now they're part of the picture. But, like, chatter online is important and just other things. And there's also, like, people watch things at different times, so I think they have a more complicated way of. Or complex way of assessing whether show is successful, which is a good thing for us, because when we look at the numbers on something like Salt Lake City, and we're like, oh, my God, they should be higher. The good part is that Bravo is considering other elements. And I think it's just hard. People have so many things to watch, and if, you know, certain people have been watching Beverly Hills since the beginning, so, like, well, I'll stick with it. But they don't want to take on a new Housewives show. And they may hear over and over again that Salt Lake is so good. But I get it sometimes the idea, like, I hear about all these other Going circling all the way back to the top of the episode. I hear about all these prestige shows that are so good, and I'm like, I do want to watch it. I theoretically do want to watch it. I know it's supposed to be great, but, like, I kind of have my roster set, and I kind of just want to live in my roster.

[Ronnie]

Oh, gosh. I have a list that I keep in my notes about shows that people suggest and show, you know, shows to watch. Basically, it's probably 70 to 75 titles long, and I'm just like. I go through it whenever I need something else to watch, and I'm just like, but I don't want to. You know, everybody's telling you it's so good, but something really has to call to you. And there's just so many options now. And most of them just don't. Now granted, when I do watch them, finally I'm like, oh, my God, that was amazing.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie]

But, you know, who knows? I just. Because so good and it's so rare and every time I think, oh, my God, what's going to happen with Bravo? Because things are going down. We've got New York. They're still sticking behind you. You know, when things like that happen, I'm like, oh, God, what if they're just losing it? You know? But they ain't losing it. You know, you just got to keep the faith because they're still pumping out shit like this. Like when they have a season like this on and we've had a season of good shows, really, if you think about it, we've had a year of good seasons, then there's nothing really to worry about at this juncture, you know, always be, always be cautious, but have some faith. Come on, guys.

[Ben]

I mean, isn't this show about that? Yeah. All right. Well, actually, that was fun.

[Ronnie]

Like, literally none of that. I think all of them have left their faith for the most part. I mean, not mitzvah me, I'm a Mormon. Bat mitzvah. I'm a Mormon bear you. All right, everybody, we are going to go over and record our bonus episode which is sold on slc. So if you stuck around Bravo to watch that crazy show, you should stick around Crappins to listen over on our patreon. That should be and you should warning. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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