#2654 Southern Charm S10E02: Easterring The Pot

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2654: Southern Charm S10E02 "Easterring The Pot"

Release Date: December 13, 2024
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2654 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into Season 10, Episode 2 of Bravo’s Southern Charm, titled "Easterring The Pot." As always, Ben and Ronnie provide their signature blend of praise, ridicule, and sharp commentary on the latest happenings within the Southern Charm universe.

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Episode Recap and Analysis

Character Focus: Austin and Hair Troubles

Ben opens the discussion by highlighting Austin's ongoing struggle with his hair—a "pride and joy" that’s now turning into a source of anxiety. He humorously notes, “Austin sucks when he's charming at the beginning of a season, as he is currently” (05:17). The hosts agree that Austin’s bickering and vanity over his appearance add layers to his character, portraying him as a flawed yet relatable figure.

Vanita and Charles: A Familiar Dynamic

Ronnie shifts the conversation to Vanita’s interactions with her dog, Charles, pointing out the repetitive nature of their scenes. Ben quips, “Come for Austin. He deserves it. What does Charles do to anybody?” (05:53), emphasizing the mundane yet endearing moments that Vanita brings to the show.

Shep, Sienna, and New Relationships

The hosts delve into Shep’s new relationship with Sienna, Miss Bahamas, analyzing the superficial nature of their connection. Ben mocks Shep’s attempts to charm Sienna, saying, “Shep just never understands where he's going wrong” (09:31). They critique the lack of depth in Shep’s romantic pursuits, suggesting that his choice in partners is more about status than genuine connection.

Gaston and Pickleball Antics

A significant portion of the episode centers around Gaston and his newfound relationship with Taylor, revolving around the sport of pickleball. Ben humorously laments, “No one is ever a jerk like Gaston” (14:20), as they dissect Gaston’s quirky behavior and his over-the-top enthusiasm for pickleball. Ronnie adds, “I still prefer it over the broccoli bangs” (15:42), referencing the light-hearted banter about Gaston’s eccentricities.

Craig’s Schemes and JT’s Struggles

The dynamic between Craig and JT becomes a focal point as Craig fabricates lies about JT’s interactions with other cast members. Ben criticizes Craig’s deceitful behavior, stating, “Craig is a compulsive liar” (65:45), while Ronnie highlights the unfairness JT faces due to Craig’s actions. They anticipate tension escalating among the cast as Craig’s lies threaten JT’s reputation.

Molly’s Identity and Euphonium Metaphor

Molly’s storyline introduces themes of self-acceptance and personal struggles. Ben empathizes with Molly’s challenges, noting, “It's sad to watch it in someone else” (35:38). The discussion takes a humorous turn with the euphonium metaphor, where Ronnie jokes, “If you've got a euphonium, we've got iconium for you” (37:52), highlighting the hosts' playful critique of the show’s character development.

Easter Party Chaos

The episode culminates with the Easter party hosted by Patricia, where tensions come to a head. Ben and Ronnie describe the chaotic interactions, particularly focusing on CJ’s (Craig’s) disrespectful behavior towards Whitney. Ben mocks, “Madison's gonna kill you” (86:26), emphasizing the heightened drama during the event. The hosts predict further fallout as Craig’s lies are exposed, leading to potential rifts within the cast.

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Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker (05:17): "Austin sucks when he's charming at the beginning of a season, as he is currently."
• Ronnie Karam (15:42): “I still prefer it over the broccoli bangs.”
• Ben Mandelker (65:45): “Craig is a compulsive liar.”
• Ronnie Karam (37:52): “If you've got a euphonium, we've got iconium for you.”
• Ben Mandelker (86:26): “Madison's gonna kill you.”

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Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode by reflecting on the intense developments in “Easterring The Pot.” They express concern over the mounting drama and speculate on the potential consequences for JT and Craig’s tumultuous relationship. The hosts commend the production's ability to maintain high drama levels, ensuring that viewers remain hooked.

Watch What Crappens continues to offer an unfiltered and entertaining take on Bravo’s Southern Charm, blending humor with sharp critiques. This episode underscores the intricate web of relationships and conflicts that keep the audience engaged, all while Ben and Ronnie provide their unique, no-holds-barred perspectives.

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Timestamp Reference:

To easily navigate the notable quotes and specific discussions, refer to the timestamps provided alongside each quote in the Notable Quotes section.

Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hello and welcome to Watch Rock Rapids, the podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today, the one the only Ronnie Carom. Hi, Ronnie, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello, Ben. How are you doing?

[Ronnie Karam]

Just fine and dandy. It's Friday here. We're here to talk some Southern charm. And of course, as you may already know as a listener, we are going on tour next year. The Mountain Hysteria tour starts in January and right at the beginning of it, one week into it, we have the Golden Crappies in New York City. That is our annual award show for all things Bravo. Although maybe this year we might allow in some peacock stuff a bit, I don't know. But either way, it's all. It's our award show where we give out the best and the worst on Bravo, on tv, in our lives, in the world, in home goods, whatever it's going to be. But we will have voting open in the new year. And most importantly, it's a live show. It's going to be in New York City at town hall on February 1st. So please join us. It's going to be great. We're all already working on some really exciting things for it. Going to try to get some very cool guests for it. It's going to be a night of music and fun and joy. So come join us, Watch crap dot com. Get your tickets and get your tickets just for the other shows as well because they'll all be wonderful and so fun. Be with your peeps. Be with us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be yourself. We're also on video today on Crappins on Demand on Patreon and it's also where we are recapping sold on slc, the new show on Bravo. So go check us out over and let's get into it. Today we are doing Southern Charm Season 10, Episode 2 Off the Peep and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Half the peep and I get it. So we're at Craig's house, he's written furniture and he knocks over something onto his flowers and he's like, oh my God, those are brand new flowers. Sorry babies. They're like, fuck you, Craig. Flowers are mad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then the show gives us a gift. And it's what I've kind of loved watching is one of the things I've loved watching on this show since it started, which is Austin slowly losing his pride and joy, his hair. So let's go to Austin staring at himself in a mirror. And you remember that how he used to like confidently stare in the mirror and be like, yeah, like kind of shape his stupid congressman hair. And now he looks with such worry in the mirror. And I love it. It just makes me feel so good. I think part of it is that it's not misery, but folically challenged loves company. Maybe as part of it, but it's also just that he's such a douchebag. And I know it's crushing him, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's crushing him inside. Just kidding. Maybe that's a little too mean for the start of a recap, but Austin sucks, okay? And never forget, Austin sucks when he's charming at the beginning of a season, as he is currently.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's correct. And then we go over to Vanita's house and Vanita is feeding Charles. It's our first Vanita feeding Charles scene of the season. They always shove these at the beginning of the episode because they don't really know what to do with Bonita after all these years still. So she is feeding Charles, and Charles is just as uncharismatic as ever. So there we go.

[Ben Mandelker]

How dare you Come for Charles. Come for Austin. He deserves it. What does Charles do to anybody? You know?

[Ronnie Karam]

All I'm saying is I go after all the dogs on this show, and there are many.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then we got a Patreon also, honey, tell me what's going on there. And he's like, up. I don't know. Not. Not much, mother. And he's just like standing there with some. Some brown liquor and a swirly glass. I'm too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor to know what kind of these glasses these are really. But he's swirling it around like he's on Masterpiece Theater. And she's like, well, I guess I'm gonna organize this Easter dinner with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she. He's like, mother. Son's fun mother. What kind of bourbon is that, Whitney? It's all 15 year Pappy Van Winkles. Oh, yeah, I used to be married to Pappy Van Winkles. He sure had it together a lot more than you did, Whitney. You can learn a thing from Pappy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Funny. You drink into 15 year old Pappy Van Winkles. I was 15 when I started dating Pappy Van Winkles. How things change. You enjoy that $2,000 bottle, Whitney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me tell you something. Being married to Pappy Van Winkles, I'll tell you, I certainly. I was the one who was asleep for 100 years in that relationship. Wow. Never met a more boring man in my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go over to Shep's house and chef. You know, it's a chef showing us chef again. Getting dressed. A getting dressed scene with Shep. And are there people are. They're obviously doing these for the audience. Like showing the men getting out of the shower and stuff. But is there anyone getting off on Shep and Austin getting out of a shower? Can we just stop? It's like just. It's one of those things on Bravo. I just need to stop. Just stop, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they're just, they're just trolling us. That's a, it's just a casual troll by the editors. They're just bored and they're like, they just know, like, it's just like no one wants to see it. And they're like, oh, my God, let's just make people squirm. Let's, let's, let's do that to, to the poor people who tune in to, to see this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

So little Craig is there. And little Craig, I'm going to say it again. Little Craig is tired this season. I don't know if little Craig has had enough. I don't know if he wants to run away from Shep. But little Craig has lost some of his spark there. Sorry, Little Craig.

[Ronnie Karam]

Craig is a child of divorce. So little Craig's gone through a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

You think that's it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Little Craig's, you know, we're starting to see it. We're starting to see that. We're starting to see the long term repercussions on little Craig.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's suffering. Yeah. And I think also ships him off to his parents most of the time when he's not filming. And then when he's filming, he gets the dog back. And so I think Craig is also missing his parent. His real parents are Shep. Yeah, Shep's parents.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shep FaceTimes a new face, which is Sienna, his girlfriend, who is gorgeous. And I'm don't know what she's doing with Shep, but he must have charmed her and mentioned that he owns like 5 billion acres. That's the only way I can imagine.

[Ben Mandelker]

That she is Miss Bahamas and she wants to get the out of there. And so she is going to be on a TV show that Shep is on that that is exactly what she's doing with them. And it's so obvious too, because the second we see her, she's like, hey, honey. Hi. How are you doing? She's like, good. Do I look clean? I just got out of the shower. I shaved. Which is so sad to need a award for taking a shower and shaving. She's like, yeah, you look fresh for once.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like combed his hair down. Like he does that thing with his hair like he's about to do a book report. He's like, look, at me. Okay, everyone, here's my book report on the Vietnam War. A transcript that I did all by myself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I like your hair. I like it like that. Wow, look at your hair. She's like, yeah, I washed it and floofed it. Whoa. Did you cut it, too? Oh, I'm just the kind of guy who notices stuff like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Sienna and I met on this dating site called Garsh for Garsh. And I was enthralled by her. Basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

Plenty of Garces.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It just didn't work out on. Okay. Gar. So I moved on to Gar Gar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because he's talking about Raya, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

I assume anyone who's, like, a celebrity or wealthy. I just. Whenever they say a dating site, it's like, first rule of Raya, don't talk about Raya. Otherwise, you'll be kicked off. You won't be able to match with people like Shep Rose.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're gonna have to get your chlamydia locally from non celebrities.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'll have to go to match.com.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ew.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ew. Disgusting. Who are you, Gail Simmons? So we see them all together and everything. And Chap's like, I just think she's so sexy. And there's nobody else that looks anything like her. And the whole country of the Bahamas would agree because she's Miss Bahamas. G. So we see her. She is Miss Bahamas.

[Ben Mandelker]

And of course, she has to be dating a Miss Bahamas. Shep. I swear to God. Like, Shep just never understands where he's going wrong, you know? You don't deserve a Ms. Bahamas.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. I was like, wait, I think that's actually. I think that's a great choice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's just like, of course he has to date, like, a beauty queen. You know what I mean? Because he's Shep. He has to have, like, a trophy on his mantle. He can't just have a normal conversation with a normal person. You know what I mean? He's. That's. I'm saying that he's always looking for some kind of trophy instead of something real. Because this girl's clearly nodded to him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, why not? Like, why not give a shot to Mitzi Goldberg? How about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, why not?

[Ronnie Karam]

Down at CPA's office, when you're saying who.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I'm asking who's watching those shower scenes at the beginning, that's who. Mitzi fucking Goldberg.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is there Mitzi Goldberg? Rachel Goldfarb, all the. Anyone whose last name starts with Gold, Judy Gold, the comedian. Never know. I think she might be a lesbian, but she might turn for you, Shep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh. Oh, God, she's so sexy. And then we see her in her gown and sash, and he's like, I wish you were here. She's like, yeah, I do want to spend some more time with you there when there's cameras there. Just don't try and have me come there again when there's not cameras there. That was really annoying. He's like, oh, she's so beautiful here right now it's 70 degrees. There's just a little. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's 110 now. Oh, gosh. Course, course hyperventilating.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's part of the fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on. My armpit hairs are sticking to my chest. Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Taylor with Gaston, and she's like, are you ready to pickle? And unfortunately, they're not actually pickling vegetables or anything, which would have been semi interesting. Instead, they're playing pickle ball. So Gaston's like, yeah, let's do it, baby. She goes, wow. Look both ways and hold my hand when you cross the street. And he's like, get out of here. And she's like, oh, man, I'm glad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor got over her infantilizing relationships kink. Yeah, look both ways before we cross the street. Hold my hand, say a prayer for fuck's sake. Just cross the street, Taylor. Okay, so we finally see Gaston. Gaston. Listen, we've taken some shit for making fun of the name Gaston last week because we're Americans. And so to us, it's a Beauty and the Beast name. And that's the douchiest name from Beauty and the Beast. But people are like, hello, that's an extremely popular name outside of America. So sorry, outside of America. We're not making fun of you. We're making fun of inside of America. Okay, currently, we're gonna hold space for.

[Ronnie Karam]

The name Gaston right now. Okay, so we're just gonna. Like for all the Gastons out there, we officially apologize. We know this was probably a tough thing for you to listen to last week.

[Ben Mandelker]

All the actual Gaston's out there, you know. Sorry, guys. They wouldn't be Gaston. Tell you one thing about Gaston.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

No one works like Gaston. No one twerks like Gaston. No one ever is ever a jerk like Gaston. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

If I knew any of that song, I would. Yes, and you. But I actually don't know any of that song. I just know of the song.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what song you're talking about, but no one is big like Gaston. And no one is a kingpin like Gaston okay, that doesn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one is a. No one is a. Someone who walks across the street like Asan no one's a pickle baller like Gaston no one is a man with an interesting.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one pickles like Gaston no one shaves his hair so close to the sides like Gaston Gaston what are you doing with a beard? And then you shave your sides of your hair all the way down to the skin. And then you have more hair on time. Gaston's a mess. Can I just say. And Gaston's been working to get on TV for a long time. He's been fucking people all over. Bravo. To try and get on here. And you're finally on. And this is the hair you show up in to Pickle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, he has a vertical mullet, which is. It's party on the bottom. It's like. It's like party on the bottom and work on the top or something like that. Or maybe it's the other way around. I just made that up right now. But the point is, it's a very popular style amongst, like, men his age, which is like your shave, shave, shave, shave, shave. Then all of a sudden, lots of air. It's kind of like the mushroom, but it's not the mushroom. It's just a thing. It's like this weird, choppy. It's like intentionally choppy. But I have to say I still prefer it over the broccoli bangs. So, like, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, let's. Let's not. Let's not forget the real enemy in our lives.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I'm being a dick. But you know what, you guys? At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. And no one's Slick as Gaston and no one's Quick as Gaston. So who the fuck am I? Okay, I'm not Gaston.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's for God damn, you're Jean Valjean.

[Ben Mandelker]

Two, four, six, Gaston. Okay, so here we are pickling, which I guess we're saying pickling now about pickleball because it's not obnoxious enough without adding pickling to the mix. So it's. No, it's not a facial treatment at Patricia's house. It's an actual game people are playing. So they go to Pickle and Taylor, who's all smiles these days, is like. Gaston and I have been dating for about seven months. We're friends and we just went on an accidental date because my friend ended up backing out. So it's just me and Gaston. Read the Stand in for your friend. What. What is she talking about?

[Ronnie Karam]

It was probably her roommate who had to sit and listen to endless stories about Shep for all that time. And then she was like, you know what? I don't think I want to go to dinner with Taylor anymore. So, yeah, they had this dinner, and then four hours later, he asked if he could kiss her, and she said yes. And now here they are playing pickleball in love.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's how it should. You guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just someone doesn't want a piece of chicken. You eat the piece of chicken, you marry the piece of chicken. That's. That's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Isn't that how it worked on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? I feel like that's. I feel like that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like we've heard this story a lot lately. Yeah. And, I mean, I do. I'm not being sarcastic that it's. It should be that easy. It shouldn't be like, oh, my God, I gotta go on plenty of Garcia and find somebody. Oh, how's this gonna work? No, you should go to the leftover bin, see what's in there, see something you can handle for a little while, and just marry it.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, yeah, it's like, thrifting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we see the producers, like, how does this. How does Gaston compare to your last relationship? And then, of course, they trot out that famous clip of Shep yelling at Taylor about the broken egg during games. It's like. It's a clip that will live in infamy. And they're going to trot it out whenever they can, as they should.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You fucking idiot. Course. And she's like, it is night. And look. Look at this example of our love. Back to the pickleball court. My hair is falling out all over the place. Well, that is like Marilyn Monroe style. Yeah. Hey, do I have a comb over it? Like Trump? Yeah, it's great. I love. Don't say it. Oh, sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're Umbrella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait till season two.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then the producer asks, Shep, what do you think about Taylor's boyfriend? And he has a really specific take. He's like, gosh, he looks kind of like a villain from the Bourne Identity. I haven't seen the born Identity in a long time, but do the villains walk in shorts?

[Ben Mandelker]

That was hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Taylor's like, gaston is sexually inclined. I'll say that. Well, I would have to imagine. I feel like you cannot be named Gaston and not be sexually inclined. Like, I feel like he's probably like a. Like a show pony in there. Or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a numerology for lots of sperm, for sure. And he's like, I can see him screwing on a silencer and breaking into a room. But I'll tell you this. I know that her mom and dad wish she was still with me and her grandfather and grandmother and her whole family. And she put out an Instagram response to that or something that was like, you, like, literally emotionally abused me on national TV for years. And you really think my family wants me to be with you? Oh, my God, did you see our farm?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Shep is like, well, hey, so Sienna, I can jump on a plane and head to Nassau anytime. I mean, God, Sienna, I would love to come and hang out there for an extended period of time if you let me. But I know you're busy, so I don't want to monopolize your time. And she's like, no, it's. It's fine. We just have to plan it ahead of time. You know, I just have to send all my relatives that I'm too embarrassed to admit that I date you. I just gotta send them to a different island and then, then you can come over. It just takes a little bit of work on my. I have to basically tell everyone, hey, I'm going out of town. And then I'm actually not out of town. I just hide on a different part of the Bahamas, so that way I don't have to, you know, cross cross paths with anyone while I'm holding your hands. That's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

At the very least, I need to start telling everybody now that my uncle's old drunk friend from college has been Facebook messag me. So they're not shocked when you show up.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shep is like. Sienna is very smart and driven and independent and, you know, she's flying here and there and modeling. She got into med school and she's like a lot of things that Taylor wasn't. And she wears better sweaters too. Even though. Even though Taylor is younger?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, even though she's young.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry. Sorry. Sienna's younger?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this chick's younger. And so it says. We see a picture of CNN Shep, and it says 44 ding.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Shep likes that. That was. The whole thing is that Shep likes a well traveled person and he likes to travel with them. That was a whole thing with her, with Taylor for several seasons. Like, but I want to go to Paris. So Chef with a child.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to go to Paris with somebody that I could be the father of. That's it. Also, who could possibly take care of me and fix ruptured spleens and such and. Etc. Etc. I got the best of both world. I got someone to pass STDs on to and then somebody to nurse us through it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gorse. And you know, as far as having your own thing and, and going on and being a big baller a little bit like she just survives that. Taylor's like, yeah, Gaston and I, we're like a similar age and our relationships feel more like a partnership. And like Gaston really makes me feel like I'm good enough. And that's like different from me because now I can play pickleball and not get yelled at like wow, your bar is so low right now. Shepard Lee did a number on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm good enough to play pickleball with. Gaston made me know that much. Whoa, marriage bells are ringing, girl. So Gaston beats her, which I like because there are shades of. There are shades of Shep already in Gaston. First of all, because don't you remember in the beginning Chef was like, hey sweet poogie dookie. Like he was like that too in the beginning. That's how Gaston is. Hey bab babe, you know you want a pickle. Hey, great job babe. You did a great job on that pickle hit. And then it ends with him kicking her ass and being like haha. Beat you. Like well I see shades of your past here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, enjoy.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

To JT's Airbnb property, the Ann's, and his mom, Bunny is back, and she is just as disinterested with JT as so many other people are right now. And so Bunny and his sister Nicole, they're walking around and he's. Because they're going to be doing some work in there or etc. And Bunny's like, wow, this is way bigger than I envisioned it. Sorry, jt, not talking about you, sweetheart.

[Ben Mandelker]

One thing no one's ever said to my son, it's way bigger.

[Ronnie Karam]

Way bigger. He's like, oh, mom, mom, remember this? This was just a bunch of dirt back here. Remember? Remember when I showed you this? You and Poppy seed were on FaceTime and I showed you the dirt. Well, the dirt's gone. Mama, am I the best little son in the world?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, I need my Navy SEALS here, if you will, of design and creativity. My mama, Bunny and my sister, what's her face. So, you know, if you look around, you'll notice this is the biggest Airbnb in all of this part of this block of downtown Charleston.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bunny's like, well, that's a feat. Congratulations. You know, it'd be even more impressive a Starbucks. Okay, I'm your mother and you just greet me with empty arms and I'm holding a canvas on my shoulder and you can't even get me a venti anything. Thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like I don't identify as rich, but I do feel like I'm doing well. You know, I had, like, eight other Airbnbs. They're very valuable. And this one. This one has hotel zoning, and that makes it very popular, which is why I bought myself a Cake Pop with the money my left my mama left on my Starbucks card.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you, Mama. That was my Cake Pop. So the sister is. They're just talking about doing this, like, this painting, whatever, and they're going inside, and we see a flashback to some of Bunny's greatest hits, which is last year, her saying, oh, jt, these pillows are just fine for a fishing cabin.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the mom and Nicole have made him a painting for his new place. And he commissioned it. He commissioned it. You commissioned. You. You asked your mom to paint something? Hey, sorry, Ben. I commissioned my mom to give me a ride to the airport. Gotta go.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's Bunny original.

[Ben Mandelker]

I commissioned a bowl of soup from Mama, so. Thanks, Mama. This is delicious.

[Ronnie Karam]

I commissioned a painting of a marsh in Charleston. I was like, oh, how beautiful. Everyone loves to look at a marsh. It's like, well, I saw an oil slick the other day, and I was like, mama, can you make that into a painting for the Airbnb or. Stinks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mama, remember when those ducks got stuck in the marsh after the last flood and they came out covered in oil? Could. I'll get a painting of that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Mama. Remember when they found the dead body in the marsh and they had to close it all down? But I've just gone waiting through there, so I may have gotten an infection from a cadaver. Keep doing painting of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, he really loves the Charleston marsh. Guys. Tourists. Tourist. That is such a tourist thing. Like, wow, what is that? It's a marsh. That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It's a lot of mud, kid. It's a lot of mud. So he's like, the cherry on top of this house is ultimately. It became this hotel. And so they, you know, they make him close his eyes. They could surprise him. And it's a marsh. It is a painting of a marsh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Marsh.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what Seth knows. He's found his soulmate. When he meets somebody that's like, oh, Marsh Gorge. No, Marsh gorse.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, okay, J.T. okay, close. Garsh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ross. Ross.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. Sorry, J.T. okay, Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Okay. We're gonna reveal this painting. Okay. All right. Open your eyes. Guess what? It's not a painting. It's a list of things that you owe us, starting with a Starbucks. Okay? Once we get the Starbucks, then You get the marsh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he puts the painting on the ground. She's like, oh, it's killing me that that painting is laying on the floor. He's like, well, actually, I need some advice, y'all, because every. I've apparently disrespected Ms. Patricia. What do you think of that? Because they gave her a cane, and they're like, oh, my God, a cane. Why the would you give her a cane? He's like, because everyone got a cane, you know, to be supportive of me. And they're like, oh, you idiot. You're not even walking with your cane right. You're walking with your cane on the. The.

[Ronnie Karam]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

The healed leg. He's not even walking with his cane on the hurt leg. Has anybody else noticed that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Bunny is like, okay, you know what, honey? You know what, honey? I would like a cane. I would like a cane. Okay, you know, give me that can. Give me that cane. That's what you get. Why do you. Mama, you just hit me up the side of the head with the cane. That's what you get for giving an older lady a cane. Shame on you, son.

[Ben Mandelker]

I tell you what I'm about to do. Raise cane. How dare you. How dare you speak to a woman like that. He's like, whoa, I thought it was cute. She's like, it wasn't cute. I thought it. It wasn't fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, I guess it was a dumb move. So then Bunny's like, well, you could always write an apology letter or at least have your sister do it. She's got better penmanship.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Jessica, or whatever your name is, just draw a picture of a marsh and send it to Patricia. Okay? Everyone loves a marsh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Marshes fix everything. I think that's a well known fact. Okay, so can you get. Can I commission a small marsh picture? We can put an envelope and send to Ms. Pat. Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

She actually does give the best idea. She goes, you should never give her a cane, honey. You should only give her a martini. He's like, oh, good. Good idea, mama. That's all you need to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's all you needed to do. So now we go to Molly's house, and her dog is barking. Her dog, Zoe. And she calls her mom, and her mom just sends her to voicemail, which is hilarious. And Molly's like, God, why don't you love me, old people? All right. Okay. All right, well, I guess I'll just do my makeup. So her mom then finally calls back, and she's like, like, oh, sorry, you couldn't catch me. I was cleaning out my closet of all the memories of you. Sorry, did I say that part out loud? My bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Molly's like, I figured you were doing something really important if you're going to ignore me. So I just have like a cute little mom daughter relationship. And we find out a little bit about Molly. She was born in Barnwell, South Carolina, which is just the most Southern thing I could. Could ever hear of. I was born in a place called Barnwell.

[Ronnie Karam]

They do Barnes well there.

[Ben Mandelker]

And my evil brother was born in the town over barn sick. Everyone knew he was trouble. Knew.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was adopted by two attorneys. And so she moved there when she was three days old. And she loves her parents and she feels like she hit the lottery. But the most interesting part about this, I think, is she's telling her mom about she. How she missed some notes. So automatically you think like, okay, she's singing. No, she plays the miniature tuba. It's called the euphonium. She's a euphonium, Stan. And when she was 10, I guess it was time to pick out an instrument in school. And she said she couldn't make. No, she couldn't make a noise until she got to the trombone, but the trombone was too short, so she wound up with the euphonium. And now she's like, it's funny because it's too short. And now I'm gigantic.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see basically Molly's trajectory in this story settling, right? She tries one thing. She. It doesn't work, so she just moves to the next thing. And the first thing that even kind of works, even though it's not necessarily her passion, she just jumps on because it's easiest. And I think we see her love. I think we see her love trajectory playing out on this show. Here it is. Thanks for being so on the nose, Molly. And also, watch out because I kind of like you and you're like settling to the degree that you have settled to in this episode is so fucking sad. I can't. It's like a tuba song. It literally is like a tuba song. God. Molly's whole story is going to be played by a euphonium. Her whole. It's going to be scored by a euphonium. Just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also, I. I'm realizing that this is. This is settling a debate that we had when we. When we did our trailer. Huge, huge debate.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a downstream. I didn't speak to your ass for a week after that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

For a week? For a week. I. Well, part of that was I did give you A cane. So I was like, a little awkward, but to be fair, you gave me a painting of a marsh and I was like, excuse you. No, but we. I seem to remember we had a discussion that was a bit. But I was like, that's a tuba. And you were like, it's a French horn. I was like, it's a tuba. You're like, it's a French horn. And we sat there and actually discussed this for a while, and little did we realize there was some other sneaky brass in there called a euphonium that snuck right in. And that's what it was all this time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was a euphonium. And we actually had a listener that was like, that's a euphonium. And I was like, oh, God, stop making a word. Words.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, stop just inventing instruments. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop trying to make me look stupid. Made up words. I repeating that. You're not getting me again, mother. She talks about how she likes to chill, which we know. And she doesn't like to stand up like her mother. Her mom's like, I hate standing up. She goes, what are you doing, Mom? She goes, you know, we're just chilling. I'm lounging on my sectional sofa. You know me, I like to sit because. Yeah, me too, mom. I wonder where you got that. You, mama, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Molly's like, yeah, I chilled out a lot. And, you know, I used to be a wild child in my early 20s. I moved around, lived in LA, Miami, New York, for modeling, you know, and we see pictures of her on Top Model and everything. And she goes, but now that I've gained weight, I've just not been modeling, you know, I've got, by the way. And she. This is. You would never look at this person and be like, wow, wow. She's. Look at her, like, out of control. She's like, it just shows how cruel or how, like, rigid the modeling industry is that, like the way she looks now, it's like, we gotta put her out to pasture. It's wild one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also just body dysmorphia in general. What it does to you is crazy because whatever she's seeing is not what we're seeing, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you know, I get it. I have all of that stuff, so I get it. But it's sad to watch it in someone else. Like, for me, it's fun. Like, for me, like being self deprecating about it and stuff like that is my hobby. But seeing somebody else do it, I'm like, oh, no, stop. No, girl, no, stop. Because obviously she's stunning and gorgeous. And even if. Even if she's not, it's like. I don't know. Stop it. Just stop. Stop being mean to yourself. You've got a mother who loves you and who likes to sit. What more do you. Yes, Molly.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you've got a euphonium. You got it. You basically have a. You know what? You know what's nice about a euphonium? It's like. It's like having a child that doesn't, like, talk or be annoying. It's just. Can sit on your lap and you can be like, oh, my sweet little child. I can tell it stories and I can. I can kiss it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your euphonium, maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is not a great metaphor. This analogy lost its way. Like the euphonium in pop culture.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the euphonium in pop culture, you know, look, just, you know, stop beating yourself up. There's this ice cream place I really love, and I'm trying to remember if it's Lewins. I think it's Lewins, however you pronounce that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Van Leeuwen Lewins. Not to be confused with Pappy Van Winkles.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And they have, like, a lot of fun sayings about eating ice cream. Like, counting calories is hard if you do it or something like that. You know, like, don't count calories. Count ice cream pints that are piling up in the back of your room or whatever. But it's like, very pro. Like, eat it and shut up. And I like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I feel like it's kind of my therapy, oddly enough, which is super weird, because I'm getting therapy at my other therapist's office, which is ice cream. So it's like I'm getting two therapies in one. That's great, right? That's nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

That works out very nicely, I would say. You know it does.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm looking for. Okay. Van Leeuwen ice cream motto. A life without anything good is bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

See, you know, they really. They really just. They really nail that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

A life.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have a flavor. I like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you've got a euphonium, we've got iconium for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so then Molly just. Molly's back because her parents are getting older and stuff. But also she's not modeling, so she doesn't know. We've got kind of a Landon storyline here coming up is what I feel. Except I like her. She's not as immediately greedy as Landon was.

[Ronnie Karam]

But is landing. Is Landon going to be working in the White House? Because she was an early Adopter of rfk. The RFK campaign. I'm just imagining Landon just. I'm just imagining the D.C. landon walking around D.C. being like, Finally, I can start the Rome website.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rome fk. Am I right? So Madison's house family's making breakfast. I have to say, we are always giving kids shit about their hair. Hudson has the best kid hair I've seen on Bravo. Best kid hair. Love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Very strong.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a little like Flintstone. It's a little like Pebbles Flintstone mixed with Justin Bieber back in the day. Love it. I think it looks great on him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Madison's not gonna allow him to have bad hair. That is her job. And she is. Takes pride and she's on. She's on top of everyone in that household. She's like, now listen to me. Listen to me, Hudson. I know all your friends have the stupid broccoli bangs, but guess what? You're gonna get handsome bangs, okay? Because you're not leaving this house without proper bangs. Do you hear me? Do you hear me? Now put on this robe and make me some pancakes.

[Ben Mandelker]

You better get your hair cut how I want to or the second you walk outside, that neighbor boy is going to bully you again like he did last time. You got a stupid haircut. Wait, did I say that out loud? Damn it. Damn it. Dang it, honey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Beta son. So, and Hudson does have a very smart little robe on. And they're making very good, good looking paint. Like very, very good pancakes. I was like, they know what's going on. But in the middle of this and Brett is looking hunky and his arms are, you know, pop in. It's like the, you know, after, after you see like the Austin in the morning, semi shirtless and chef, by the time Brett comes along, you're just like, oh, thank God. Thank God I needed this right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, it's so nice to see that there are just a real good men around. Like, he's hot. He doesn't speak. He makes pancakes.

[Ronnie Karam]

He fights fires for fun. You know, he, he, he like tend, like, listen, he's. Oh, he's earned so many bonus points in my book after he tended to Hudson when he did get beat up last season. Like, Brett is like, can do no wrong in my book until he does do wrong. But for right now, he's killing it. So. But then he also, he like kind of coughs and it turns out that he has, he has or had, but he was diagnosed with thyroid cancer at the end of basically last season. And so it was removed but it sounds like there's complications, maybe scarring or whatever. So it feels for him. It feels like there's a marble in his throat. It's like, damn, that is. That's. I'm glad it's. I'm glad it's gone wild. Well, also wild that we have two thyroid cancer mentions on Bravo in one week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that is weird, right? Yeah, yeah, Like Male Thyroid Cancer Prevention Month, because we saw it on Potomac as well, which is super coincidental. So, you know, she's upset about that. He got it taken out. Now he has a little spot there that still hurts or something. And then they talk about how Patricia is going to host an Easter lunch and he's got to leave. You know, I really do hope that this man is a fireman and does not have another family, because at this point, it's starting to feel weird. I'm just gonna say it right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're like, really? I mean, honestly, how many fires are there really in California? There really a lot of fires in California. I mean, really.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on. They really need even people at the office there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, no, listen, I was gonna say about him, I don't know, but Madison.

[Ben Mandelker]

You heard it here. First met.

[Ronnie Karam]

What'd you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

Separate family. Here first.

[Ronnie Karam]

Another family. They all play propertubas. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we then feel like secretly he never speaks. You don't know, like, his secret plot lines. Like, he's really in competition with Molly ever since America's Next Top Model. He's like, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna have a whole family that plays the euphonium.

[Ronnie Karam]

Madison's like, oh, hey, Molly, nice work with your beta brass.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now let's work with your little tubonium or whatever it is you're playing over there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like my. I like my tubas to be alpha. So my boyfriend's. He plays an alpha tuba while I eat my alpha corn. What do you eat?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're born for corn. Foot corns.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, the lesser version of corn.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, everybody, It's Friday. Okay? This is what you're.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's Friday, and I haven't eaten breakfast yet. I rolled up out of bed. I rolled up out of bed and got onto this microphone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Ben is doing this early today because I got to go get my testosterone pellet. Okay, so this is a very early morning. An early morning.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is good. This. No, no. This. This podcast is the only thing standing between me and McGriddle. And I'm hoping that we teach this out long enough that the McGriddles are will no longer be sold. So that way I've prevented from making a bad decision.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we should. We'll make it. We'll make it. We'll make it. We'll do. We'll do that. Okay, so. Well, the rate we're going, we will. Because we're like, wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's talk about a little bit. Second scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what, let's make some euphonium fanfic.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Molly gets so excited every time she looks at her cable guide and she's like, oh my God, they're finally doing a show about euphoniums. Damn it. It's euphoria again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thought this was going to be about teenagers doing drugs with euphoniums.

[Ronnie Karam]

Finally, someone captures the high school euphonium player's experience.

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Where is India's breast promiscuity drugs and euphoniums? Here comes one right now.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it stands for come have stupid time. Leave off the less tea for savings. So they. It's indoor golf. It's that thing where you fall star. Too early for me to make an acronym. I apologize. So children having slime. They love that slime.

[Ben Mandelker]

Coin hating celebrity. Tibets.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cockatoos. Heaven. Silence. It's Christians holding space, so. Oh, that's good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

CHS Christian's holding space lyrics of Holy Night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I'm the queer media, so I can say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so it's Christians having sundown.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to jt. So it's the boys golfing. It's the boys in indoor golf. JT's there, he's like, I just need to check in with some friends. They all clearly hate this guy. It's Shep and Craig, whom he hate him. Yeah, they hate his guts. And you can see why he just comes in. He's like sitting crisscrossed applesauce on top of the counters. I mean, he's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's very like sitcom neighbor kid next door that the kid, the teenage kid that comes over next door and sits. Sits in a cool way and like, so what's going on? And tosses an apple and then eats a bite out of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, 100. You're like, that was my apple. So. So they're playing the Valhalla Chorus, guys, which is funny because that's where Vikings go to when they die.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Watch a lot of Netflix shows about Vikings, guys. Yeah, I Am Uhtred, son of Uhtred, daddy of Uhtred, grandpappy of Uhtred, Uhtred van Tootred iii and baby of Uhtred. I am Uhtred. Love you.

[Ronnie Karam]

So euphonium.

[Ben Mandelker]

So utridium.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I play the euphonium. I bring the euphonium to Norway. So they're gonna play golf. JT is actually a very good golfer. He apparently has beaten Shep quite handily. And so he tries to take a swing, but he can't because his legs messed up, and he's like, whoops. So then. Then Craig is telling us, last year, JT yelled at Austin all the time, but now that he has handed his olive cane branch to Austin, we can be civil and not tear each other's lives apart.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so sorry, but I said Uhtred. And then so I started looking up pictures of Uhtred shirtless. So if you guys don't know who Uhtred is from that show, the Last Kingdom. Oh, my God. I think that's what it's called. This is him. I am Utrecht. Yeah, Uhtred, I can high pants. Love you, Uhtred. Okay, so where are we golfing? Okay, so, yeah, golfing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So taking swings and, you know, JT trips and everything. And he's like, no, I'm not going to do this anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so Chef's like, oh, you get kicked off of most courses for dressing like that, jt. And he's like, oh, you trying. Getting in my head right now. You trying? And, okay, he's like, I'm done now. You guys play. You guys have. You play. I haven't missed a ball in a while. And well, tell you this much, with two legs, I beat him 18 straight holes.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then JT's like, so, by the way, what's the feedback in the men's locker room? Did my olive branch at least move the needle with Austin, or is it going to require some more? And this is just.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's so cringy. Everything he says is cringey. Guys, what's the feedback in the locker room?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well also, just take Austin out to get. Get some drinks and, like, squash it there. You made the first gesture. Say, hey, let's. Hi. Look. Come on. Hey, you thought about maybe, like, mama go down to the local watering hole? Like, literally at the marsh. I love a marsh. You want. My mama made a real pretty painting of it. You want to look at the painting of a marsh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Austin, he's really trying to make up with Austin. Obviously, he's here to do what a very ham handed housewife does when she doesn't know what to do, which is she. It's like, let's come in and improvise storylines. Just come in, just throw a bunch of shit at the wall. See if anybody grabs onto anything. He's just making up a bunch of shit. So that's what he starts doing. He's like, okay, well, okay. So you know, I gave him his Patricia Kane. I didn't realize it at the time, but she took offense to that cane. And they're like, yeah. And he goes, but one thing I wanted to talk to you about was Madison. So she invites me to her event and I'm thinking it's going to be a friendly event, but then she doesn't speak to me at the event she invites me to. Is that weird? Is that weird to anybody else that she's not speaking to me?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, she probably just doesn't want to talk to you. She thinks you're annoying.

[Ben Mandelker]

She had to invite you to an event because it's on television and you're both on a television show, but nobody actually likes you on this show. So you're going to be getting that a lot this season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you're an outsider and you tried to. They, they sort of gave you an opening to come into their world, but you went after, you went too hard and too hot after one of the people, which would have been fine, but like you acted like a fool at the reunion and this world will close its doors on you. And that's what happened. So JT's like, and then I remembered something. I Remember that Madison FaceTime me when she was in the Dominican Republic and I'm like, why is Madison FaceTiming me? And do you remember in Jamaica when she put on my Blue stripes and we see the trip last year, she put on JT's shirts and like made fun of him and everything. She. And so she. He's like, well, I think it made Brett, Brett get a little weird when that all went. Went down.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it didn't work for him to suggest that Madison just hates him. So now he's suggesting that Madison really wants to have sex with him or.

[Ronnie Karam]

That Brett thinks that, that Brett is.

[Ben Mandelker]

That he's secretly in love with jt.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shepar's like, is this a theory that you've developed? Carsch, that's crazy. Craig's like, I don't think he's that worried about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

But then why would you, Sorry, would you say, what was the end of that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Man, he fights fires. I don't think you're really something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, but then why FaceTime me with your wife to ask me if we hooked up in Jamaica? Wait, did he actually use the words, did you hook up in Jamaica? Well, he was like, you left the beach and you went where? And I'm like, this is weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think that has anything to do with hooking up. I think it's. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but I. I don't think he has a very strong case here. So Craig's like, I'm a sucker for a good conspiracy theory. And, like, I don't even like to use the word conspiracy theory because I think it's derogatory to all of us who have to walk backwards because we took a vaccine. But, man, jt, he really tops me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that's hot, actually. So then JT's like, well, you know, I think it's weird that Brett's potentially weird about me. No one's weird about you. But I received a FaceTime call. Hey, JT, I'm here with Braves Madison. Hi, JT, I'm here With Brett. Well, he wants to know what happened in Jamaica. And I said, well, Taylor was upset, so we went to your hotel room, we ordered some room service, and we all went to bed. And she said, thanks, jt, Have a good rest of the day. And then that was it. And. Oh. Oh, so that's not working for anybody. All right, let me. Let me look into my storyline bag here. Okay, got some more. The other strange thing is, why is she matching polka dots with Austin?

[Ronnie Karam]

This is even more of a stretch. And Shep is like, gosh, the way that the gears turn in JG's head, I'm not sure I want to know about how that goes on. And he's like, at the Carolina Cup, I'm looking at Austin, and I'm looking at Madison, and I'm seeing matching polka dots. And my mind was going, I don't know what's going on. I'm like. Like, jt, just say it. You're connecting the dots. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's right there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Say it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, they both wear the same polka dots. And we see a clip of it. And JT's like, well, Madison never misses a beat, man. She matches her ex boyfriend to the color of the polka dot. And he's like, oh, my God, you sound absolutely nuts right now. The four wheeler landed on your head, jt. But I get it, because I've Connected the pyramids, the aliens, the panda bears. But this is way crazier than anything I ever said.

[Ronnie Karam]

Craig, you just said connected. Why can't you say connect the dots? Come on, someone make the pun. You're one person saying connecting. One person saying dots. Come on, connect your own dots.

[Ben Mandelker]

On another note, here's. Let me look into my bag here. Sorry, Law bag, sort of back. Well, the Austin thing, do you know how hard it was for me to bring an olive branch? Because he's still doing the same shit. Levis said that he had a relationship with another girl for a few months. Oh, my God. None of this has to do with you. Like, literally none of this has to do with you. What is wrong with you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Craig's like, that's not true. Yeah, that's not true. He's like, well, I'm just saying what Glover was gossiping about. I just want to get Ronnie Karam really mad by talking about love in the middle of the show out of nowhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, love is pretty good, though. She's got it. She had to do zero this season, and she's already gotten herself in 100% of the episodes. That's pretty good.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Craig's like, I don't care about Leva because Austin and Audrey are great. And JT's like, no, look, I love you guys, but you don't hold them accountable. And jt, do you want to be friends with us? Because that means you got to stop picking fights with Austin and making up lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I'm not. I'm not a one beer friend. You're so pathetic and sad to watch. It's hard to watch it. So they're like, just listen. Just calm down and love it. What? Leva's lying, okay? And he goes, then you guys need to address it with Leva and say, stop it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, no, I don't. Well, she ran her mouth on the whole bus. He's like, so are you gonna take my word? Are you gonna take Leva's word? She's like, well, I'm just saying that. What? While Rodrigo and her talked about get mad at Leva, someone got mad at someone around here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, this show is seeing what's happening here, and I have to hand it to production because they nipped this in the bud right away. J.D. is it JT? JT comes on with a bunch of. He's spinning. Shep is sober for a day, and Craig is not playing with this. So they're screwed. They have nobody to get messy with. They Know, Rodrigo is not that favored right now in the audience because last year he called an audience member a C word or whatever and he's got some issues. And then Levin never shows up to work. So what are they going to do? They called the messiest gay they could and they say, get your ass down here. We need you. They hired a new guy. Congratulations. Thank you. That's all you guys needed to fucking do. By the way, spoiler alert. We haven't really seen him. We've. We saw him a little last week, but we're gonna meet him. We're gonna meet him today.

[Ronnie Karam]

We meet him later. Yeah. He's very soft spoken and very nervous.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, give him time. He looks. He looks a mess. And isn't he a main gay? Isn't he a main cast member? I think I see him on all the posters. Right, right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think he is. Yeah. It's funny because he's been in the. He's been in the background for ages. So now he's actually. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, I. Those bangs. He has like a sort of like a block of. A block of hair on. I've always noticed it. So JT is like. He's like, well, I'm just saying. What love is set on the bus. And Chef's like, son, where telling you, knock it off. I just told you, if you bring it up again, you won't see me again. And they're basically. He's just like going. And they're like, this is like, stop at jt. This isn't going to work. We've decided that we're going to circle our wagons around the very sad campfire that is Austin, so stop it. And Craig's like, I'm going to get out of here. I can't hang with people who are against my friend Austin. Shep, I love you, buddy, but this isn't healthy for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am leaving. So he gets his and walks out. And Shep's like, craig, come on, don't make me film with the extra. And JT's like, what? What I do? And so Shep's just like, listen, words matter. Words matter. Love your cans.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go out to Austin, calling his mom from the car, and he's like, she's like, hey, Austin, got a job, got a life, got a career, Got anything going on? And yet what do I have to pay for?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Austin, I didn't know if it was you or another fraud alert, but I guess, same difference. What's going on, honey?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, oh, well, you know, I was just in Charlotte doing some trop stuff. Oh, that's fun. Still playing house with that beer that went out of business two years ago. Okay, what else is going on?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you don't have to remind me Trip hop still that I get an Amex bill every month, honey. So he's like, oh, wow, Mom. I'm, like, dating this girl. It's been like four months. It's, like, amazing. It's, like, amazing, Mom.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Amazing that another guy has found love with somebody probably 20 years his junior. Well, he's not. He's not as old as Chef. How old is this one?

[Ronnie Karam]

What the girl? I'm gonna say between 22 and 22 and a half.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna give it a really wide range between 22 and 20 and a half. Okay, let's look at that Austin Kroll girlfriend, her name.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he says.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, go ahead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, he. While you look that up, he's like, it's so strange, Mom. It's like. Like, when I leave Charlotte, I miss her. Like, wow. Wow. Austin experiencing the. The. The basic. Basic levels of being in step one relationship. Congratulations. So he's heading to Craigs right now. Did you find her age, by the way?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I remember this, actually. Now that I'm going, you know, I really am just so predictable. I'm sorry, everybody. But of course, I already went off on this, I guess on our preview recap, which is on Patreon, if anybody wants to listen to it. The. We talked for an hour in the trailer trash about this show. So I'd already looked her up before, and I think she's 26. Okay. She looks really young, but, I mean, he's not that old. I mean, I don't even know how old he is. I just. These boys, you know, these boys. Okay, so here we go. Austin is. What are we talking about? I'm sorry, I can't pay attention today. I just want to Google every. Every person we talk about. I'm like, but I want to see their picture now. And, you know, what's uhtred been up to you?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Austin is. He's talking about, you know, like, you know, he's growing up, so he's like. He's like, I could take pointers from Craig. Like, he's doing so well. And we see, like, we see Craig in slow motion, like, posing with pillows at, like, a photo shoot. And then he's like. But on the other end, I'm like, he's so far up his own ass. It's like, he almost likes the way it smells insane right? Right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Craig's house, and he's like, well, I want to grill sausages, hot dogs. And then he just pulls out a huge Ziploc freezer bag out of the freezer, and it's full of hot dogs. And he just pours it all over the grill. There's like a hundred sausages there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and they're frozen, too. He's like. He's like, well, here we go. Putting the frozen just right from the freezer to the grill. I was like, okay, enjoy that. So Austin comes over. They say, say hi and everything. He's like, you know, you have 100ft of cable on your front porch? Did you know that? Yeah, I left it there for chicken. She said, why did you leave this here for me? And I said, I don't know. Do you want it? And then she said, no. And I was like, well, I left it there for you. And she's like, but I don't want it, Craig. Why do I want the cable? And I was like, I don't know. Do you want Craig? This is a stupid story. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

But the real answer. So Craig, too. I got a vacuum for my putting green.

[Ronnie Karam]

Does he know about. Do you know? Does he know about cordless?

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, oh, I'm glad you're here to be in the hot tub with me. Like, hopefully that'll get me out of my head cold. You invited me over to soak with you in head cold juice, man. Who does that?

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't. I hate when people do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, oh, because you're a very germ germ. Not loving.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't. So, like, my whole thing is this. I'm not, like, such a germaphobe where I'm like, you know, like, I. Like. I'm not like Howie Mandela or anything like that. But it's more like. It's. You know, I've never liked being around germs. But then after the pandemic and everything, I'm more just, like. I'm just more aware, I think, with a pandemic, Nick, I'm aware of the steps you can reasonably take if you're under the weather to help other. To prevent other people from getting sick. Like, I now have an awareness that, like, if you're under the weather, put a mask on so that way you don't transmit as many germs. Okay. And so, like, when people don't do that, when people willingly put me in harm's way, that's when I get frustrated. So it's less about the germs. It's more about, like, the lack of consideration. So if I get invited over and then you're sitting there, like, coughing, and you've got snot coming out of your nose and, like, oh, by the way, I have this cold. But, like, no big deal. I'm like, it's, like, not contagious. You know what? People always do that. They just, like, declare themselves not contagious. I'm kind of like, you. Like, you could have either told me or put a mask on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So he's like, come on, let's soak in my juices. Yeah, it's gonna be great. So he's like, so, dude, me and Chef went to hang with JT and he was like, do you think I apologize to Austin? I was like, you know, it was the right thing to do. But then he was like, I think it just reflects poorly on me. And we were like, what? Which he didn't say. And here comes back Craig. You know, Craig can improve his life, and he can sober up a little bit, but we can never forget that Craig is a compulsive liar. He doesn't have to lie. He's not lying about anything important. It's just, like, fun for him. Or do you think he actually remembers things this differently? Because it seems like he's just lying for fun at this point, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Like, he is fully fabricating things. Because now Austin's like, seriously, for him to say, I treat her horribly, like, we're so great. We're so happy, blows my mind. What a. He is like, yeah, but you are, too. So now JT Is, like, setting up stuff in his. His. In his apartment. He's moving into a new place. And Vanita comes over, and she's like, hi. How are you? Because she's lost her voice. So apparently everyone's like, here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it this whole cast? Are they all making out? What is going on? It's so weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're saying it's pollen or whatever. I'm like, no, you guys are all. Y'all got a cold.

[Ben Mandelker]

You all did a batch of the same.

[Ronnie Karam]

You all gave each other a cold. Yeah, something happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

Basically, they're. They have a very, you know, kind of boring conversation. And she's like, I don't like that you moved, because now we can't go have coffee. And he's like, well, you can still have coffee, pretty lady. And then we start talking about his thing with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, he's looking out. They go On. Yeah, because they look at the balcony, they look at all the steeples, and there's like, this moment of, like, it's the city of church or whatever. So. So Vinita's like, I have to be honest. I'm a little. Oh, yeah, we can't get coffee. Etc. So then Vinita's saying, like, you know, it sounds like you were trying to start anew, and, like, let me try to be friends. This is what I would do. And people, you know, with people I want to be friends with, you ask for help.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, well, you know, I had a conversation. It was heavy because they got in my face. They got my face, man. Wish they did not get in your face, guys. They're all just liars. When I mentioned Austin's gray area girlfriend thing that Levin mentioned on the bus, they're both coming in so, so hot, you know, like. Like, I'm. I'm talking foaming at the mouth, you know? And I was like, okay, okay, hands up, hands up, hands up. And she's like, yeah, you know, it sounds like you were doing the right thing to me. Which obviously it wasn't. And then back to Craig. Craig's like, hey, dude, I'm not doing this with you. And I was like, austin's one of my best friends. We've never heard Austin. I will dive for Austin. I laid down on the road and I was like, here, Emmy, run over truck. Someone run me over. I would do this for Austin. Crawl.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just funny. That's the other thing with these guys. You can't, like, get in the middle of their mess because, like, one season, Craig will be saying, like, Austin's like, a piece of shit. Like, I don't want to talk about. I don't want to, like, hang out with Austin anymore. He always treats everyone like shit, and he needs to be accountable. Then someone comes in and is like, yeah, he does need to be accountable. Let's go after him. And then all of a sudden, Austin's like, the best. Like, don't make fun of Austin. He's like, my best friend. You can't come between us.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, ultimately, they're bro. Right? So bros before, you know, I don't want to say hoes, because JT's not a hoe, but Marsh, whatever. He would be. What is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Bros before Marshes? Actually, I'm not sure about that. I'm gonna do marshes then bros.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're ultimately bros, and they're the leads of the show. So they're like, listen, we're the lead. Like, when Austin came on the show, look how resistant Shep was to Austin. He tried. He was so mad about Austin being on the show. Literally, probably still is. It was so hard for him to finally accept Austin, and now they did, and now it's just the three of them. They're not going to let anybody in here, especially someone like that. So I think ultimately, even if they hate each other, they're going to stand up for each other in front of him. You know, it's kind of like the ladies on Salt Lake City. They're kind of doing that right now to. They're. They'll ban. They're like, I hate you, but I'll band together with you against Ronwin right now, because she's coming for one of us, you know, so it's birds of a feather.

[Ronnie Karam]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't have the right feather.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get out of here. Bird.

[Ronnie Karam]

Difference is that Bronwyn can hold her own much better than JT can.

[Ben Mandelker]

Much better.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. Although he thinks he can, but. But he can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not comparing Bronwyn to jt. I'm comparing everyone on the show, how they're reacting to newbies, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So back to JT's apartment. And he's like, by the way, Benito, remember when Madison threw on my pinstropped outfit in Jamaica? It's kind of like an iconic thing. Broke the Internet, you know? She's like, oh, yeah, that was funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a theory about that that makes it holds a lot of water. So. So when I. Well, it was posted on social media and her husband saw it, so I thought nothing of it. And it was kind of funny, you know, But I get a FaceTime call and questions were happening, like, hey, what happened in Jamaica with the two of you? I'm like, this story also keeps on changing. It's like, it's. Was it accusatory? Was it a light, funny question? Like, what's. Like, everyone here is just lying on this show, I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then we go back to Craig and Austin, and Craig's like, yeah, he said Brett called him and thinks Madison and him fucked in Jamaica, which is not technically what he said. And I was like, no one thinks that, you being Madison. And he's like, well, Brett does. And I was like, did he accuse you of banging Madison? And he goes, nobody said it in so many ways. And Austin's like, madison, he's gonna like, real. She's gonna like, free. That's bash, bro.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then he Was like, clock this. Madison wore polka dots to the race and guess who else wore polka dots? And Austin's like, whoa, this is insane. So we see a flashback of that and then Craig is like, like, at this point it's like, dude, like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? Austin's like, jt, he couldn't hold up, you know, he couldn't hold up an I'm changed man facade for. For long. I thought he was gonna fake it for a few more weeks before he went off the deep end.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought I was in the twilight zone. Dude, I don't have any more time for that. Let me right now. And so he's like, you know, coordinating polka dot outfits. Like, I gotta give him creativity points that's at least good, you know. So then we go to ding ding ding, Patricia's house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor Rand, by the way. I just feel so bad for Randy, don't you? He looks like a prisoner. He looks terrified. He looks like Martin Sheen. Just confused. On a cul de sac is the best way I could. Like, I thought this was a street. When did the street become a cul de sac back?

[Ronnie Karam]

Poor Randy.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a tough journey for him. So Whitney is like, oh, mother, I think tonight the Chateau Neuf we'll do this. Yes, mother. Also, I think people are going to want binis, but we've got champagne here. So Patricia comes down, it's the Easter party. And she's setting up, of course the table which has all sorts of chocolates and bunnies and kind of like, like gy pink, you know, Easter things on it. And it's for the first dinner party of the season.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's got a bunny rabbit on the table that's left little black jelly beans behind it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, turd palace. Mother. It's been a tradition since we started, Whitney. I do like a big extravaganza for Easter. I order candy from 10 different places. Sees candy maison du chocolate and all over the place. And jelly beans from the teeter or grocery store. I wonder how long this segment was of Patricia just naming off candy stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got M M's, I got Cadbury. I got Mars bars. I got a hundred thousand grands. It goes on and on because I was really expecting.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was expecting like, I don't know, like really fancy ones, but I mean, I don't know any really fancy. Any really fancy ones. But I thought just to hear it be like, yeah, ten different candy store C's. It's like seas.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mars and Mars. What are you talking about?

[Ronnie Karam]

Duty free shop at the Charlotte International Airport.

[Ben Mandelker]

Found a couple under the couch from last year. Those count, don't they?

[Ronnie Karam]

We did our equivalent of dining and ditching at the local restaurant. Except that our version is we go in, we grab a handful of Andy's mints from the bowl, we run out of there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, this one's not a store, but they do somehow taste better when you have Randy stand outside of middle school around Halloween and then beat kids overhead with the fly swatter until they give me a can. Candy. That's delicious candy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we went to CVS in March and got some leftover Hanukkah candy that no one was buying. So if you see some gold coins around, that's what that's about.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they're getting this, the table set, and Whitney's reading the names that she's put out, and he's like, austin, Craig, Ryan. Molly. Oh. Oh, Molly. How can. How coincidental, Mother. Well, I mean, Whitney never tells me anything, so let's get that right off the bat. But people have told me they've hooked up five or six years ago, so I know he likes her, and they remain friends. So let's just hope for some egg fertilization somehow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I know it is a holiday about Easter eggs. So. So then. So Patricia is like, all right, let's have a cocktail. And Patricia's like, by the way, as per your instructions, I have decluttered. Thank you, Randy. I've shoved all of my clutter and tchotchkes and junk into Randy's bedroom. So he is gonna have to climb over piles of newspapers from 1987 in order to come serve me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, I've kept the largest piece of junk in the house. Randy. Yes, ma'am? Put these clamps on your nipples. No, ma'am, please, not the car battery again. Do it. No. Happy Easter, junk.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, Mother, I'm going to upgrade your audio system. I mean, look at that. It's something out of the Dark Ages. And we see like, a 1995, like, hammer, slimmer bows, you know, audio thing on top of a stack of CDs. And Patricia's like, well, I am out of the Dark Ages and I like it. Listen, you're gonna have to throw me out of here before you get rid of my DMX CDs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whitney, take a long, good look at that old, broken down stereo. This is exactly what you look like to the girls you date. Think about that. So Craig comes over and he's like, hey, Ms. Batman, you sound a little congested. Are you sick? The pollen is just pollen. Nobody cares, huh? They're just like, bring it. Bring me all your illnesses. Come on, sit on my lap.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Everyone's just like, snot coming down their nose, hacking up their lawn. Like, bond this bond. It's like, you are green. This is Bond allergies.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they make small talk, and then hopefully, this season's new gay bone carrier walks in. His name is Ryan. He's like, hey, Patricia. Whitney, how are you? How's it going, Craig? Patricia, love your dress. So pretty. I brought you some French chocolate. It's like, okay, that's a good start. Now sit down and spread something.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hate French chocolates. So I was like, oh, okay. She goes. So then she says.

[Ben Mandelker]

She tells us, I hate chocolates, especially French chocolate chocolates.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, that makes much more sense. I was like, trisha. So Patricia's been friends with Ryan's partner Eddie since 2008. And he's like. He's always been in the background on the show. And then. Then Eddie and Ryan got married, and then Patricia became really close with Ryan as a result.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And so they start tasting some liquid, and then Craig starts talking to Shep. Shep comes in. You know, it's like small talk, because everybody comes in, and it's like, wow, very Easter of you, Whitney. You look like you're about to go on safari. Because everyone else is in pastels, and Whitney's in, like, a dark, you know, duster and animal print.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like a. It's like a black animal print shirt. It's just like, not. Not very Easter read.

[Ben Mandelker]

Duster. I saw some animal print, and I made him Lisa Rinna all of a sudden, because he's all got that mother, mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, Shep. I love. Okay, I can give it back. Did you get those glasses at the gas station? He's like, gosh, yes, I did, but they're Easter. Look, they're pastel. So Molly shows up and everything, and people are drinking, saying hello, all the usual sort of small talk, because they mill about and everything. And Molly tell. Tells us. Patricia makes me nervous. I'm just like, is she gonna think I'm weird or not classy enough? Probably. Then I remember who her son is, and they show a clip of Whitney in his renob days. Now that's a duet. I would love to see Whitney on guitar and Molly on euphonium.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Renob reinvented reunob phonia so she would.

[Ronnie Karam]

Play well in Brooklyn.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Austin brings a bottle of wine. He's like, sorry, it's not the best bottle of wine. It's Patricia. And Ryan's like, well, you'd probably enjoy it more than you would as a cane. Than a cane as a gift, wouldn't you, Patricia? She's like, oh, a cane. Why would you give an 80 year old woman a cane? And Molly's like, oh, God, I thought he thought it would be funny. Well, it wasn't funny. It wasn't. They're all cracking up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Madison's like, that's the sort of joke a Beta would make. So then Craig's like, well, I don't know if Whitney is going to talk to JT after he finds out what he said about his mom. And everyone's like, what? He goes, he called you a. This is just like. Now this is just a bold face lie. Like, this is like, this is a bald ass.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a bald face, right? Why do people say bold face? Isn't it bald face?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it b. Is it bald? It probably is bald. But it's a bald. But it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've heard, but I thought it was bald.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I think it's bald. But I. But I'm saying it with bold face. I'm saying it like, like my words were bold.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is AA Face lie command.

[Ronnie Karam]

Btica.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wrong. It's Helvetica. You see, Hel. I don't know how to pronounce fonts apparently.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it's Friday. It's hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a Comic Sans face lie. Yeah, this is just some. This is typical crap. And when he's like, wait, wait, hold on. What? What. What the is wrong with this guy? And I was like, oh, my God, Whitney's gonna kill him. So the fact that he can impugn mother, all bets are off. He can go himself. Impugning. Impugning my mother. And Madison's like, what an idiot. He's crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And like, you know, Shep is like, gosh, I don't remember him saying that. That I did not hear. JT Called Patricia a for the record. And the producer asked because I, I honestly, I. Here's what I thought was gonna happen. Craig says this, we go to commercial and we come back, Craig's like, no, just kidding, Just kidding. But it was not. He was just fully lying. And so. And Craig backs it up. Like he's not backs up, but he, like, he doubles down to the producer. And so then they, they show the footage and they, they basically like, no audio found, which is that Craig fully lies and it's probably going to start a season of. Because of it. And this is how JT wins because. Well, I'm not sure if he's gonna win. He loses. This is like. Well, he does leave, but, like, this is. It's like JT is being a douche and stupid, but, like, Craig is actually just making up a blatant lie and attacking his. Like, that's. That's. So this is. This is where JT's gonna find his way back in.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I think Craig's just like, I don't like him. So he's got to go. If they're not going to fire him, then we'll kick him off the show. I'll find a way to get him kicked off the show. Show. It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's brutal.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I kind of like it because Craig's always pretending to be this, like, I'm just such a nice guy now, when at the end of the day, he's still fucking Craig, but he's Craig with a twist now because he's, like, twisted Craig, because Craig was never really mean. He was just a liar, you know? But this is mean. This is just like, all right, let's just fucking ruin jt. But JT is like, someone that no one really likes, including me. So I don't know. I don't know where I stand on it, but this is messy, Craig. Mess. Mess.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it is. It's more like. You know how you always say, like, you. JT can now play the victim card, you know, and, like, he was sort of trying to do the victim card, and actually Craig just gave it to him. I don't know if he'll do it successfully, but this would be what. Like, I would say this in, you know, all. In all, episode long. I'm, like, rolling my eyes at jt, like, oh, God, this guy's really lost his way. But then Craig does this, and I feel. I feel bad for JT because. Because he gets made to look like he said something totally mean, and he's going to incur Patricia's wrath. And it's, like, actually kind of not fair because Craig is. Craig totally lied about it. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah, I see what you mean. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with this, because this was pretty crazy. This was pretty low. And now, of course, the whole cast can see that he's lying. So it's going to be interesting to see how they react because they're all going to lose it on jt, you know, so are they Going to apologize? Or is this going to be something where production ultimately shows us that he did mutter it under his breath or something. And Craig heard it because, you know, production sneaky. So they could. They could slip that in. In, like, the reunion even or something and be like, no, we got all of you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think what's going to happen is they're going to, like, laugh at Craig. Like, craig, you're a fucker. You made us all believe that. And they're like, well, we know that JT now, he didn't call Pusher show a bitch, but he still was extremely disrespectful. So we still stand behind that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, all he really had to do was what he does next, which is continue. Well, that was only the tip of the iceberg. He basically just was talking a whole bunch of about Madison, Brett and Austin. And I was like. And Madon's like, wait, back it up there. Back it up. You better back it up. You better clip it. You better clip, clip, clip. And Craig's like, well, basically, he thinks that Brett thinks that you and JT are having an affair and slept together in Jamaica. And he was dead serious. And we were like, nobody thinks that. They're like, oh, God. What?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Molly's like, that's a joke. And so Matt goes, you can't talk about me all day long, but you start talking about my. You. You can talk about me all day long. You can talk about corn. Actually, you cannot talk about corn. You can only talk about me. Because the moment you start talking about my marriage or corn or my husband, you are done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so, yeah. Well, he was like, brett thinks that we had sex in Jamaica because she was wearing my clothes. And I was like, oh, God, Shep, help me out here. And she was like, well, I was like, I'm a pretty intuitive guy who knows a lot about Ken Burns, and I don't even know what you're talking about. Out. And then he started sliding off the screen very slowly and was replaced in another with another gorgeous black and white seabia toned picture.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what's so funny, by the way? I can't believe I didn't even connect this. Connect this dot was that this morning that I was reading the New York Times was like, things that stuck with our pop culture reporters. And by the way, none. No mention of Bravo. Once again, I'm back and I'm angry again. But one thing was there's a new Ken Burns documentary out called Leonardo da Vinci. Gosh. So maybe. Oh, God, I've Been in this Vietnam War up for so long. Finally I can move on to da Vinci. Oh, I'm so glad Sienna knows about da Vinci. She's traveled.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just a little boy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just a boy who loves. Loves art.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. So Madison's like, well, he's gonna be the little when I'm done with him. How about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Which, by the way, is just what she says at any given moment. I just want everyone to know. Like, if you thought that she was just coming on hot for jt, she's. She says that at Starbucks, too. Like, ma'am, would you like any sweetener with that? I'll tell you what what I would like with that. No more betas, because he'll be the little when I'm done with him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ma'am, can we get your name for this coffee cup? I'm gonna kill you. Okay, well, got it. We got a coffee for I'm gonna kill you. You better watch your meth or I'm gonna take you out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can I get an old Fashioned, please? Let's all say a prayer for JT Because I'm gonna him up. Which now that's an actual line here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I told him, Madison's gonna kill you. And Patricia goes, let's tag team him. Which is also another thing that no one has ever said about J. I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was about to say mother, I don't think that means what you think it means.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Madison goes. Get the kinds. Get the canes. Austin, like, told you so. Told you so. Guys, do I feel that this is a beautiful sense of vindication? You damn right I do. You damn right. And then we can't see the rest of the scene because the spit covers the camera.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we have to wait five minutes for Randy to wipe it off the camera. Randy, hurry up with the rags. The camera can't shoot us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honey, don't. Don't spit on the camera. Spit on Randy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So now then they're going to start going, now it's time for dinner. So they're going to sit down. This is where Madison's like, can I get an oldfashioned? Because I want to. I want to JT yet. So they all sit down, and everyone's like, wow, it's so pretty. It's lovely and everything. Oh, wow. Yeah, just like. Yeah. Well, we're having Easter fair H and some crispy macaroni and cheese and green beans, which go really well with a ham.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I get an Old Fashioned, please? All right, let's all, join hands and say a prayer for JT because I'm gonna him up.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shep is like, okay, well, I love. I'd like to talk about why we are here. Because they say, shep, will you do a toast? Because I'd like to talk about why we are here. And that is Easter. And Jesus exists. And Jesus was a guy who was trying to do nice things, but he was crucified like me by Taylor. And it's. And let that be a lesson to some of us. You are punished for your kindness, like Leonardo da Vinci was after he drew that guy with all the arms in the circle. So anyway, that's a bad message. But bonus, Pilot. He's a pilot and he can fly us to the Bahamas. So that's cool.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't be mean to Jesus. The end. Thank you, chat. That was very eloquent. And he had also brought up Pontius Pilate betraying Jesus. So Ryan was like, oh, the fact that you know who Pontius Pilate is is impressive, though. He's like, it's a miracle.

[Ronnie Karam]

I heard the Pontius Pilate actually had, like, really good legs. I mean, he has the origin of Pilates, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, he had a really big stomach. That's where the term punch came from. From Craig, stop. It's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pontus Pilot culture Bible. Pontus Pilot said, patricia's a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, someone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Serving too much Pappy Van Winkle.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they're eating. And chef's like, I can't eat all this. I lost 15 pounds. And Molly's like, well, I lost 15 pounds, but I got 20 to go, cuz I gained 45 like a year and a half ago cuz I have hormone problems. So I fluctuate every couple years. But then I'm also on medicine and it causes binge eating. And he's like, oh, my God, it's like the opposite of oic.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, literally, we're having dessert. No one listen to Molly. So they all get served a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we not talk about eating? The sod is at the table. We're about to have dessert. Molly, suck it up. Give Molly four, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So they got cupcakes. And Austin's like, hey, Patricia, have you ever seen this thing where you take off the top and you make a sandwich out of the cupcake is insane. Look at this right now. Which you know, Patricia's like, poor person. Everyone knows we a cupcake with a fork and a knife in the first place bought all the problems that way.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Molly's like, oh, I was about to do that. And he's like, sorry, chocolate. You snooze, you lose. She's like, no, I was going to do it, so I'm going to do it anyway. And she says, yeah, you do that so you don't get icing on your nose. And Whitney goes, it's like a sandwich. You don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You eat like a cupcake sandwich. You know what, Molly? That's the last thing that you need. And everyone's like, whoa. And her jaw drops. And Patricia's like. Patricia's face has literally never moved this much on the show. She's like, whitney, Whitney.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were supposed to tell her that the cupcakes are not for eating. They're for throwing at Randy. Now you've insulted her and said, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is really gross. And Molly's like, so he's calling me fat? And he goes, I'm not calling you fat. She goes, no. And Madison's like, no, the. You did not, Whitney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, oh, no. I've known her for, like, 10 years. I can say these things. And Maya's like, can you, though? I don't think so. And she's like, what the hell, Whitney? You know, I had. I don't have the best relationship with food. So it's like, don't be a dick. I'm like, he's gonna be a dick if. If you. If Whitney has a choice, he's gonna be a dick.

[Ben Mandelker]

And his thing is. Well, I've known her for 10 years. I can say that she needed to smash that cupcake in his stupid face. Although, also, Chuck. Chucky, I wouldn't be. You look like you've just been. Got your makeup done at the morgue. So I don't know who you're making fun of over here with your Chucky hair, but you need to shut the fuck up, sir. She should have shoved that cupcake right in his goddamn face. Patricia would have just laughed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's like, well, I mean, you're eating it like a. Like a fucking Big Mac. Well, it's not like. Sorry, I hate to break it to you. It's not like a cupcake in its natural state is, like, representative of, like, hood cuisine. It's like, oh, my God, I can't believe you ate a cupcake. Like a Big Mac. It's kind of a lateral move. It's a cupcake. They're brought in for children's birthdays, okay? So they're. They're sold in vending machines around LA and probably other Places.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this was pretty. And it's amazing that Winnie's a producer, so he can kind of protect himself on the show. And this still makes it in. Imagine the shit that is cut. You know, like, yeesh, Yikes. So she's like, I'm going to beat him up. Is that okay? Patricia? She's like, mm. So Patricia's like, I'm giving up. As far as grandkids are concerned, I think I'm just going to get a kitten.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And that's pretty much where it ends. They put up a title card saying, in loving memory of Michael Kelse, who of course you may have.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Michael R. So RIP Michael. And that's the end of the episode. So thanks everyone for listening. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend. Make sure to buy some crappin tickets for Christmas gifts for all your loved ones. Bring the whole family. The whole ended first cousin, third cousin, grandma, grandpa. Anyone? Randy, we'll see you on the road. At the very least, we'll see you next week. Bye, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

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