#2655 RHOP 0911: Virgin Lagoon

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2655 Summary: RHOP 0911: Virgin Lagoon

Introduction

In Episode #2655 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the latest installment of The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), specifically Episode 0911: "Virgin Lagoon." Released on December 16, 2024, this episode focuses on the tumultuous interactions and drama among the Potomac housewives as they navigate personal relationships and social gatherings. Ben and Ronnie provide their trademark witty commentary, highlighting key moments, character dynamics, and the often over-the-top antics that make Bravo's reality series a fan favorite.

Overview of "Virgin Lagoon"

"Virgin Lagoon" centers around a themed party hosted by Karen Huger, aptly titled the Love Lagoon. The episode showcases the housewives participating in an obstacle course, bonding over meals, and engaging in revealing games that test the integrity and transparency of their relationships. As always, the Potomac ladies bring their unique blend of glamour, drama, and occasional chaos to the forefront, ensuring that viewers are kept entertained with each twist and turn.

Key Scenes and Discussions

1. Obstacle Course Antics ([05:26 – 07:57])

   The episode kicks off with Mia, Jeremiah, and Juju tackling an indoor ropes course, reminiscent of "Squid Games" but with considerably lower stakes. Ben humorously critiques Mia's outfit, noting her "tramp stamp" as a focal point:

   Ben ([06:06]): "She really bought one that really just showcases that one spot on her lower back."

   Ronnie adds her take on Mia's emotional state during the course, confessing her own vulnerability while baking cookies:

   Ronnie ([02:59]): "I've been singing that song like ten times in a row... on the verge of tears for no good reason."

2. Lunch at Fig and Olives ([08:00 – 12:16])

   The housewives congregate at Fig and Olives for a seemingly harmonious lunch. Karen emphasizes the importance of sisterhood, while Ben and Ronnie mock Giselle's protective "shell":

   Ben ([10:06]): "She's wearing one of those really, like five feet tall things... it's not to protect herself. It's to hurt others."

   The conversation turns to Arabella's swimming prowess, stirring friendly competition and playful jabs among the ladies.

3. Planning and Tour Announcements ([04:09 – 18:04])

   Ben and Ronnie discuss their upcoming "Crappy Hour Live" segments and tour dates, promoting live shows and the Golden Crappy Awards. This meta-discussion provides insight into the hosts' plans and offers listeners a glimpse into their behind-the-scenes activities.

4. Love Lagoon Party ([49:19 – 71:23])

   The centerpiece of the episode is Karen's Love Lagoon party in Panama, a grand event filled with themed decorations, games, and unexpected twists. Ben and Ronnie dissect the housewives' interactions, highlighting instances of jealousy, suspicion, and outright confrontation. Notable moments include:

   • Mermaid Mishaps:
     Ray's ongoing paranoia about harming mermaids becomes a recurring joke:

     Ben ([49:25]): "It's called trafficking, Ray."

   • Sexual Transparency Games:
     The housewives engage in uncomfortable discussions about cheating and dominance in relationships, leading to heated exchanges:

     Ben ([57:09]): "Well, last year, they at least had the whiteboards, but this year they're like."
     Ronnie ([63:29]): "He's still sticking with a guy who had a baby behind your back."

   • Jacqueline's Surprise Appearance:
     The unexpected arrival of Jacqueline with balloons sets off a flurry of reactions, culminating in confusion and tension:

     Ronnie ([70:12]): "It's Jackie as a to be continued."

5. Game Segment ([57:02 – 67:48])

   A controversial game where the housewives question each other's fidelity leads to explosive revelations and accusations:

   Ben ([63:43]): "It's just weird when you see somebody else, like, oh, go. They get to do it."
   Ronnie ([65:04]): "You just love that old time rock and roll. What can you say?"

Character Analysis and Reactions

• Karen Huger:
  Karen remains the central figure of contention, orchestrating events and often being the target of skepticism. Her attempts to foster sisterhood are met with mixed reactions as other housewives question her sincerity and motives.

• Mia:
  Mia's vulnerability and her complicated relationship with Gordon are dissected humorously by Ben and Ronnie, who poke fun at her emotional displays and questionable decisions.

• Giselle:
  Giselle's interactions, especially her protective nature and competitive streak, are highlighted, showcasing her as both a fierce competitor and a nurturing friend.

• Ray:
  Ray's paranoia about mermaids introduces a running gag, with Ben and Ronnie emphasizing his over-the-top reactions to minor incidents.

• Stacy and Jacqueline:
  Stacy's confrontational style and Jacqueline's dramatic entrances add layers of drama, providing ample material for Ben and Ronnie's comedic commentary.

Notable Quotes

• Ronnie ([02:59]): "I've been singing that song like ten times in a row... on the verge of tears for no good reason."
• Ben ([06:06]): "She really bought one that really just showcases that one spot on her lower back."
• Ben ([57:09]): "Well, last year, they at least had the whiteboards, but this year they're like."
• Ben ([49:25]): "It's called trafficking, Ray."
• Ronnie ([65:04]): "You just love that old time rock and roll. What can you say?"

Insights and Conclusions

Ben and Ronnie effectively blend humor with critical analysis, offering listeners both entertainment and thoughtful critique of the housewives' antics. Their observations on the fabricated nature of reality TV relationships and the pressures of maintaining appearances provide a deeper understanding of the show's dynamics. The hosts' ability to sift through the drama and highlight underlying tensions makes the summary valuable for both avid fans and newcomers.

Closing Thoughts

Episode #2655 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining examination of Real Housewives of Potomac’s "Virgin Lagoon." Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam excel in balancing humor with insightful commentary, ensuring that listeners are both informed and amused. Whether you're a die-hard Bravo fan or just dipping your toes into reality TV, this episode provides a thorough and engaging overview of the latest Potomac drama.

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[Ronnie]

Hi. Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ben]

Good. How are you doing today on this Real Housewives of Potomac day?

[Ronnie]

I'll tell you one thing. Today I'm defying gravity because I finally watched Wicked. It took me forever to get to see it because I was traveling, but I finally watched it and of course I loved it. And I've been singing that song. I listen that song like ten times in a row. Yesterday I was making cookies, listening to the song on the verge of tears for no good reason. I mean, there's nothing more embarrassing than like, mixing together sugar and flour and like semi crying to define gravity at the same time. And I was like, why am I crying?

[Ben]

I was right there with you at the end.

[Ronnie]

I was like, wow.

[Ben]

Like, I was wooing and cheering like a crazy person. And they don't woo in Texas. Okay. For a movie. But you just hear this dude in.

[Ronnie]

The back like, yeah, I'm walking around Durant. I'm like going up to potted plants, going, so if you care to find me, look to the west. I'm like, my plants can't speak. If they were, they'd be like, we need to no longer be in a gay man's household.

[Ben]

I know the Tom Sandoval, Tom Sandoval's girlfriend came out like, tom Sandoval cheated on me. All this stuff which we will talk about tonight on Crappy Hour. But that, I mean, everything, it's like it comes out and I'm like, I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy now.

[Ronnie]

I'm happy now.

[Ben]

It's like singing show tunes at people. Thank you, Wicked. Well, today is Real Housewives of Potomac Day. It's also Crappy Hour Live, which happens every other month, Monday at 5:30 Pacific time over on YouTube live. Just find us on YouTube. It's also where you can stream our videos a week after they're released. If you want them fresh, get them on patreon.com watch what crappens. It's also where our video podcast or our bonus episodes are right now they are the new Bravo show sold on SLC recaps. This will be our last crappy hour of the year. So join us. Okay. It's going to be so. Got lots of stuff to talk about. Also, we're going on tour. We start in January in San Francisco is our big opening show. We're so excited to be back in San Francisco. Go get your Tickets, also, the Golden Crappy Awards are February 1st in New York City on Broadway. Speaking of Broadway, So we're psyched for that. Go get your tickets for that. And all of our dates are up. They're not all linked yet. Like, we're missing some links, but they are all announced [e-mail] so go buy your tickets.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

Yes. Okay. Welcome to the Real Housewives of Potomi, buddy. It's the Blue Lagoon. The lagoon episode. The love Lagoon. Ooh.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Very exciting. So the episode opens up with Mia, Jeremiah, and Juju. They are at an obstacle course. It's kind of like an indoors ropes course. And they are tangling with various contraptions and rope bridges. It's kind of like a low stakes squid games. Like. Like squid games if you don't die. Which I guess is just any ropes course, but that's what they're doing.

[Ben]

Squid game. It looked very easy to me. I mean, they were walking. It was for kids. So they were walking across, like, bridges. It wasn't just a rope, you know, But Mia's like, I also like that Mia wore a kind of like workout leotard thing that just carefully featured her tramp stamp. Like, she really bought one that really just showcases that one spot on her lower back. I was like, you know, there is nothing like just really featuring that tramp stamp on a kid's day. Like, kids day out.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. She. This was all for bonding, you know? And she says, the children obviously know what's going on between me and Gordon and our divorce and or separation. But I also want them to know that their voice was heard and their opinions matter. I'm like, except they weren't. Because last week the kids were like, don't marry Mr. Inc. Stay with daddy. And why do we have so many apple crates in this household?

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. She didn't listen to. So Jeremiah is my favorite because he's like, well, you know what? If you fall, we'll survive, but you're probably gonna be in a coma. She's like, what? He's like, yeah, but at least we'll all be in a coma together. Like, at least now we're not just waiting for dad to fall into one.

[Ronnie]

He's like, the family will be inside the hospital. It's like, oh, God, this kid's gonna keep his family together no matter What.

[Ben]

I love poor Jeremiah is just like, growing up with Gordon as a dad. He's, like, been preparing for a parent to be in a coma for years now. He's just as an inevitability. So dark. Sorry, they're just doing. It's like he's thought a lot about comas, this kid.

[Ronnie]

Well, maybe he's seen a lot of soap operas. That's a common trope.

[Ben]

He lives in one. He lives with.

[Ronnie]

He does.

[Ben]

He lives with these two people.

[Ronnie]

I never said I was the best mother in the world, but give me some credit for trying, okay?

[Ben]

So she's like, yeah. So Jeremiah's like, well, I can tell you, never gonna do this again, but once you find out you're alive, when you get to the end, then maybe you'll do it again. If you really are alive and you didn't slip into a coma and are just dreaming in a world where you think you're alive. Can you hear me, Daddy? Walk towards me. Don't go towards the light. Oh, my God. Jeez.

[Ronnie]

I feel like this is also what Mia told herself the first time she had sex with Gordon. Like, well, I'll probably never do this again, but if I get through it, maybe I will.

[Ben]

So they do this. Then we go over. She makes it through. So she made it. Yay. So then we go to lunch with Stacy, Giselle, Karen. Eating at our favorite place, the Fig and Olives.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I hadn't thought about picking olive, and so I'm so glad that you highlighted that. I was like, oh, they're going to figure out if I'm like. I remember one time I went to Fig and Olive here in Los Angeles. I got invited to it, and I sat at a table with Rennie from Big Brother. It was like an opening party. It was so weird. Like, Lionel Richie was there, and, like, I was sitting with, like, Rennie and then some other random reality star, and Rennie got drunk. You would have loved hanging out with Rennie because she was drunk, and she would just say doll every five seconds. Like, pass me the Brad doll. All right. Yeah. They say now I was great on Big Brother. They're gonna give me another TV show. It's a wonderful moment for me. Anyway, we are here at Fig and Olive, and Stacy tells us. When I joined this group, Karen said that this was about sisterhood. And I feel like Giselle has this outer shell to protect her from people, but inside, she's soft and cuddly, and we're gonna be besties. I was like, she does have a Shell on the outside to protect her from people, because on the inside are spikes. She's protecting people from her.

[Ben]

Yeah, she's not protecting people. She's wearing one of those really, like five feet tall things that cops use to go into crowds and just beat everybody down. What are they called? Like, batten boards? You know what I'm talking about? Like, this, like the life size shields that when they go into riots, they, like, start stamping their shields and then they knock people down and stuff. That's what she. She's covered in. It's offensive. It's not. It's not to protect herself. It's to hurt others. Okay. Jeez.

[Ronnie]

So Karen, like, says hello and everything. She's like, how have you been? She goes, oh, I am good, thank you. I've just been chasing after Bella. She is swimming and winning every race. And we see that Arabella is swimming. She's like, swim meets and everything. And she's just like a killer butterfly and breaststroke and freestyle demon.

[Ben]

So they order food and Karen orders a burrata, and so does she. And then the waiter's like, oh, do you guys want two paradas or do you want to share? And Karen goes, I think Stacy should stand by burrata. And she's like, oh, my God, Karen, thank you. Thank you so much.

[Ronnie]

I have been invited to share a burrata with Karen Huger. This is a huge moment, and it verifies this idea that this is a sisterhood, a sisterhood of the traveling berrada.

[Ben]

So Karen's just so proud of herself. Like, look at me doing good deeds just to prove I don't only drive drunk. I also do things for people that need soft cheese that doesn't taste like much.

[Ronnie]

What is this strange line that's in the middle of the burrata? Oh, that's my tire mark. I may have driven over it by accident, but, you know, it time for me, very tough time.

[Ben]

It's actually not a burrata at all. I hit Michael in the parking lot and just served him on a plate.

[Ronnie]

It's just some of his pale whiteness.

[Ben]

Floppy ass Michael makes his return as a burrata.

[Ronnie]

Some of his whiteness.

[Ben]

So they make small talk about TJ and all that. And she's like, oh, TJ's doing so great. He'll be coming back from LA for the love Lagoon. And we see him working in la. She's like, he's on ER today. And he's like, hey, I'm on ER today. Or whatever it is not er. Grey's Anatomy show is still on it?

[Ronnie]

It is.

[Ben]

Has it been 20 years? How long has that show been on?

[Ronnie]

I don't know, but that's a lot of singer, songwriter music. They voice it on this World. That's a lot. Like, every time on that show, it's, like, about to lose a patient. Then all of a sudden, you hear, like, a guitar.

[Ben]

My aphid broke. My broken singing about Afibs.

[Ronnie]

Of the eight.

[Ben]

All right, so Giselle's like, what are we doing at this party, Karen? Why is it called the Love Lagoon? And we see the invite. Karen and Ray's Love Lagoon. You and your special someone are invited to join us for some fun in the sun. And also, 20 minutes of editors getting to play this music. I saved up all their sexy music.

[Ronnie]

I hate love parties. I'm sorry. I. Listen, I love this season. I think the season's a total rebound for me. I've been enjoying every episode. But, like, a thing that I don't like on the Real Housewives is when the couples all get together and play games where they talk about how much sex they are having and what they do in the bedroom. It's not that I'm a prude. I just don't find it interesting. Like, it's just. It doesn't move the needle on any storyline. It's just one. To me, this is like, okay, everyone, we're gonna give the producers a day off. Let's just, like, do something simple, and we can put some graphics on screen. I'm not coming from a place of hating. I'm just saying, in general, when we talk about certain tropes that we don't, like vaginal rejuvenation, cryo, whatever. Which we haven't seen in a while. Never have I ever.

[Ben]

Throwing the axes.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's like when the couples get together and answer questions or they hold up signs. Like, I didn't like it on Salt Lake City either. But luckily with Salt Lake City, it was very quick, and it led to drama very quickly. But, like, when there's, like, 15 minutes of it just not my favorite thing. So I'm already kind of like.

[Ben]

Well, it's especially funny with Karen because, you know, Ray's not. Ray and Karen aren't fucking. Like, that's pretty clear. And, I mean, come on. And Karen's been cheating for years, and everybody knows it. I mean, there have been rumors for years. So the fact that Karen's like, let's get together and talk about our sex lives is just. Okay. Just have. Just call it my vagina still works party. We'll all buy you a candle and just be done with it. You know? Why do I have to sit through it? I don't care if your vagina works. I literally do not care.

[Ronnie]

I don't care.

[Ben]

You want to hear about me and my FUPA and our journey? Nobody wants to hear it. And I guarantee you, if I started going off about it on this show, we would immediately lose hundreds of viewers and listeners. Nobody wants to hear it. And I don't blame you. I don't even like to see it. Okay. I get mad. I mean, coming out of the shower.

[Ronnie]

People may want to hear about the fupa.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie]

I just. I. I also have never seen or I've noticed. I. I don't know if this is something that happens in real life. Maybe people can tell me, but is this something that couples do? Like, you go to someone's house and then you all answer. Like, couples jokes about, like. Like, what's your favorite position? And, like, are you dominant? Are you submissive? I just have never. I've never been invited to a night like that. And I don't think I'd want to go either, because I don't think it's anyone's business. But also, it's just, like. I just don't think it's interesting to me. But then again, I'm also someone who loves playing board games, and people look at me like I've got five heads when I talk about my board game collection. So I guess every. Every pot has a lid.

[Ben]

Yeah. And a fupa. But, you know, nobody wants to hear about the FUPA part. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Every fa. That's just it.

[Ben]

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I love having sex. I just don't want to. And I don't even mind talking about sex. I just don't want to hear about yours. That's. That's my thing. I'm a prude. I'm not a prude for myself. I'm a prude for everyone else in the world. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So Karen's like, well, my love theme parties are meant to talk about love, Sex, happiness, sadness, joy, pleasure. Not pleasure. Running walking tiles. Wood. Water. Soda. Bricks. Concrete. Clay. Wow. You're doing great. We're all glad you're back, Karen. We're all glad you're back with our Love Lagoon. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Yes, exactly. Love Lagoon. And Karen's like, there'll be libations. You'll have a full bar. I mean, not full bar, but. Because I don't want anyone getting lit. But you'll have a bar and giselle's. Like, I want to get liti. And Karen's like, no. Why? Okay, well, you can get lit if you want to, but I shall not be getting lit because I'm going through so much. That's where I crashed into a median because it was too much for me, what Ray did that caused me to track crash into the. Into the grass, the road and the play and the rocks and the Monopoly board games and such.

[Ben]

So Stacy's like, oh, my God, I hope there's games. Cause I'm so competitive. We're gonna win so many games. And so Giselle immediately just starts giving her the third degree. About this guy. Does he work here? What does he do? How big is it? When are you gonna have sex with him? Why aren't you have sex. Why aren't you having sex with him? So they both tell her like, drop this guy. He's a loser. Go get dicks. Lots and lots of dicks, you know? And Karen's like, what do you like? She goes, well, I do what I like. Well, what is that? Well, I really like TJ. Oh, Jesus. Hopeless.

[Ronnie]

Giselle's like, well, we want you to have more penises. Penises. Or is it called peni. Ah. And she's like, oh, my God, Giselle, stop it. And they're asking, like, how long have you known tj? And Stacy says she's known him for about a year. And K's like, well, girl, nobody knows nobody in a one year.

[Ben]

Yeah. They're just not buying this whole, like, well, I'm a virgin and. Or, you know, we're being virginal. And she's like, well, you've known each other for a year. Nobody knows each other in a year. I mean, listen, don't. Don't be looking for your connection in the church, because those men are looking for a connection, too, for a woman. You know what I'm saying? They go to church on a Sunday. I guess she's telling her, go to church, keep going to church, but keep looking for men, you know? And then. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Giselle's like, my husband. My husband found plenty of. Or plenty of ass in church. He's still doing it, and he's the leader of it, so.

[Ronnie]

Exactly. And Karen. So Giselle's like, well, if he ain't getting it from you, he's getting it from someone. I'm just here to tell you that. And Stacey goes, oh, why would you say that? He is an actor on Grey's Anatomy. He has a very important role where he says, there's a phone call for you on line three. That's pivotal. Of course he's not going to be cheating. He takes his role and his sex life very seriously.

[Ben]

One person in a place that is not going to cheat is an actor in Los Angeles. California would never happen.

[Ronnie]

Just because he's across the country where no one knows where he is or who he is, and just because he's in the entertainment industry where there are famously non attractive people in it, it doesn't mean that he's going to cheat.

[Ben]

So Karen's like, oh, he's got a whole life in la. I'm just saying, I'm sipping now. Hold on, let me, let me just process that. And then Giselle's like, we can leave her alone now. So then Stacy's like, why are you guys looking at your watches all of a sudden? They came to Virgin Shane you and now they're out of here, you know.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, they literally. Karen goes, well, it's time to go because you're a lost cause. So it's like talking to a wall.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

She's like, I've got a chic little haircut and I'm not going to waste it on these idiots.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

So that women start showing up to this boutique, I guess they're getting free clothes, which is why the entire cast shows up.

[Ben]

And yeah, basically no one knows it's a Wendy party. So people are like, why are we doing this? Does anybody know why Wendy has brought us here today? And guess what it is. Hi, everybody. Remember last week when it was my 40th birthday? I'm like, are you fucking kidding me with this? You had another party to announce that it was your 40th birthday.

[Ronnie]

I know. So yeah. So people are showing up because people, because she tells everyone, she's like, come to this. Come to this shop on Thursday. There's big news. And Giselle just all texts back, another birthday party. So they are, they're gathering. Mia is wearing her blonde, her new blonde look. And so Wendy's like, all Right. Mia Targaryen. So Ashley, they're just all gathering, and they're just sort of chatting back and forth, and I'm a little lost in. In their banter. I can't tell what's a flashback and what's not a flashback. They're just.

[Ben]

No, they're talking about the love again. And Ashley tells them she's dating Beavis. And Jacqueline comes, and then she's like, oh, we haven't seen Jacqueline for a while, Ryan. And Jacqueline's like, well, I know I was not invited to a lot of Yalls events, but okay, who cares? I mean, I know you wouldn't want to invite the most popular person here, but whatever. I'm not insecure about it. Does anybody have a camera? You should put this on Instagram.

[Ronnie]

Tag me number one friend. Tamia. So now Wendy addresses everyone. I think this is actually what you were saying before. I may have gone backwards, but Wendy is like, hello.

[Ben]

No, I jumped forward. So I was like, this party should be over, Dal.

[Ronnie]

Let's just. I think let's jump to.

[Ben]

And Wendy. Let's jump to Wendy. At the end of the episode, the credit. And then the credits rolled. Just kidding.

[Ronnie]

That was the. I think you had the right instinct, because literally, I backtracked us that way. I could then announce on the podcast that I was lost in the notes that I could have just gone forward from.

[Ben]

That was my fault.

[Ronnie]

I did it, you guys. We're so sorry to each other.

[Ben]

It was fun.

[Ronnie]

Sorry. I'm sorry. So Wendy's like, hello, ladies.

[Ben]

It was worth it. It was worth every lie I told. I'm sorry for.

[Ronnie]

This podcast is about sisterhood. So, as you know, I have recently entered a new chapter in my life, chapter 40. And everyone here has something going on in their life. So I was thinking that we could do a liberation celebration in Panama. And everyone's like. But secretly they're all like, panama. Like, Panama, Panama.

[Ben]

Everybody's like, was that a thing? Isn't their canal clogged? I don't want to go there.

[Ronnie]

Listen, I'm sure Panama is wonderful, but it's just.

[Ben]

I'm sure it's beautiful.

[Ronnie]

I don't think anyone was expecting Panama.

[Ben]

You just don't hear that. You just don't hear that much on House 5. Guess where we're going, ladies? Panama. Are we hiding something? What are we. We hiding? Some. Some cash? Like, what are we doing? Are we there to buy some Tommy Bahama hats? Like, what else is there?

[Ronnie]

Then they start interviewing people. We used to get interviews with People's reactions. And Ashley's like, I'm very excited to go to Panama. I mean, the Panama Canal.

[Ben]

Hello.

[Ronnie]

I didn't see it. I was like, was that on your bucket list to see the Panama Canal?

[Ben]

I really want to see a lot of Amazon shipments trying to get through you.

[Ronnie]

Are you talking about Amazon, or do you think the Amazon is in Panama? Because it's not. She is. Yeah.

[Ben]

Their reactions were all pretty funny. Kieran is like, well, Panama's not really my style. I like big Europe cities. Oh, okay. Do you?

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, I hate it.

[Ben]

I like big Europe cities. Sorry. Sorry. Panama. Only big Europe cities for me.

[Ronnie]

But, you know, it's. They. They probably all were thinking that, right? Because, you know, Karen is like, I. Like, somehow, for no good reason, I wound up with a champagne flute. I became a real housewife. I'm only on about five, like, one scene per episode, and I don't seem to interact with other people. I don't seem to have a lot of scenes with other people. But, like, I'm finally on this show, and I get my first cast trip is the Panama. I wanted to go to Paris. I would be bummed, too.

[Ben]

Yeah. So now they start talking about the love lagoon. And Mia's like, well, I thought about inviting Jacqueline, since she's my lesbian lover, because Jacqueline's not invited. And so she's asking people's opinions, and they're like, karen's gonna kill you. When he's like, karen's gonna be mad as hell. Have fun. Have fun with that. So she goes up to Karen's, like, karen, I have a question for you. Do not try and get me to blow into another straw, Mia. It's not funny.

[Ronnie]

Mia's like, well, I know that your invite says, bring a special someone, and I know that you'd asked me to bring Gordon, but he can't make it. And in can't make it either. Oh, yes. Because you have to be a certain height in order to get on the plane. No. And that's not a thing anyone can get on a plane. But anyway, I wanted to know if maybe I could bring. No. No. I'm just gonna say no right now.

[Ben]

No.

[Ronnie]

Karen already knows. No, Jacqueline.

[Ben]

But also, Mia is saying the reason that Ink can't come is because he's getting honored with an award. Oh, okay. Okay. Why are people getting awards literally every week on this show? What is going on? I mean, just desperate for fucking events to charge people $100 a dinner for what's going on over there?

[Ronnie]

How could Wendy Plan this cash trip at the same time as the Pulitzers. I mean, that is just so wild.

[Ben]

So Karen's like, don't do this to me. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Now, listen, I'm pouring into Karen, then I'm drinking out of Karen. I'm somehow falling down in the street, which I don't really understand why that happened. I'm not drinking. So I just admitted to drinking, didn't I? I demand a recount. Objection.

[Ronnie]

Stop pouring into yourself. Karen is what got you into this mess in the first place. I know.

[Ben]

I was waiting for the. No pun intended. But it never came.

[Ronnie]

She's like, I. I am doing unbelievable things to be incredible. I like to say I am dying, and right now, I don't have time for Jacqueline.

[Ben]

Now, listen, my home is my peace. My peace is my home. My home is my peace. So let me pour into being. And she's like me asking me if Jacqueline can come to my house after the horrible things that Jacqueline said about me. And then we see flashbacks of just her saying, not that much. Just that she had called her drunk, which, I mean, I wouldn't have liked that either. But Mia has said way worse. And she gets to go.

[Ronnie]

MIA this season was like, well, Karen had an opioid addiction, and she's going to be. Has to go to rehab because she also went to the. She also went to a foreign country and slaughtered five people and also killed the last rhinoceros in Angola.

[Ben]

Sorry, that was me with the opioid addiction. But the rhino and the murdering of people was true. That was optional.

[Ronnie]

She is. People blamed that dentist for Cecil the Lion. It was Karen. I have to say it. I have to say it.

[Ben]

So then Mia's like, well, are you okay? Like, I'm so lonely. And she's like, absolutely, Mia, of course. So then Karen's like, they better not try me. So then Mia's telling Jacqueline, okay, Jacqueline, I did ask Karen right over there. I don't know if you heard anything thing. It was a shoulder, you know, one shoulder away from you. And I said, can Mia come? Because me is so nice. And I promise you, she's dressing better now that I helped her. If today is not a good example, but can she come? And she said, no.

[Ronnie]

No, that's right. I said no, because I'm pouring into myself. So, like, it's her home, and she doesn't want any negative energy in her home, you know, aside from the fact that she's invited the entire cast, which will be Full of inevitably terrible energy. Anyway, sorry, you're left out.

[Ben]

So, of course, Jacqueline's like, well, I mean, who cares? I don't want to go. Why would I want to go to what, Panama? Where even is that? And you know what? I'm good. And I don't feel wrong in any way, in any fashion. So I'm not going to extend any olive branch towards Karen. So there. So there, everybody. You're just going to have to deal with it. I refuse to go to Panama. There, I said it. I will not go.

[Ronnie]

And I wouldn't go anyway because I scheduled a block of time at Color Me Mine. I will be painting clay. And it's so. I think I kind of am the winner in this situation. And so then Stacy goes, by the way, store owner. Someone said that I asked for a thong. Should I get a thong? And then people just talking about going to Panama and everything. And Jacqueline's asking about, like, is Wendy. Does Wendy have any Happy Eddie for the trip, et cetera? I don't know. Maybe you should check the rules about if you're allowed to bring Happy Eddie into the country before you ask for it. Just as a safety measure, by the way.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, no, I think they're talking about the lagoon party first. Because Eddie's gonna come and bring. I think so. Then. Oh, no, you're right. Cause Wendy's like, no, no. But he did say he's gonna bring something for the lagoon. So then we go to another Kieran a scene. You know, listen, I can understand the wanting to film Kierana. I cannot understand them keeping this shit in the show because it's really like, what are you guys doing?

[Ronnie]

Why do they insist that every scene with her is, like, behind her kitchen counter? Like, this is like the rebirth of Cynthia when she. Remember that one season where every scene was at her kitchen island. Kieran is always standing. It's always. They stand at the one kitchen, and then they go into Greg's office every single time. I kind of feel like they filmed all these scenes after the fact. And they're like, okay, we gotta do a whole bunch of Kieran pickups. So have a whole bunch of looks in your bedroom, and we're gonna shoot them all in your kitchen.

[Ben]

Well, we find out in this that he does not want to be on tv and he's pissed off about it. So that's probably why. He's probably like, here's where you can shoot. That's it. You know, here's my garage. Have fun.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So Keanu's There and her hot brother Brian, by the way, what a good looking family. Kieran is like, drop dead. Her brother's hot. Like God bless good genetics. You two are killing it. I mean you may have who knows about your personalities but looks are the only thing that really matter in this world, right? So they are hanging out and Greg is like cheers to Panama. And Karen's like, thanks. So like this should be like a fun, fun this time around. And like I didn't really know what to expect and I don't know why, I just assumed. It's just like, I just thought it was like a little place outside of Florida because she thought it was Panama City, Florida in the panhandle.

[Ben]

No wonder she wanted to go to a Europe city.

[Ronnie]

So Southern hospitality. No, you're getting out the country.

[Ben]

So Greg's like, no, no, that's a different Panama. That's Panama City. So are you going to the country or are you going to the city? She's like, I think the country. I mean they said South America, so that's the country. And the theme is liberation. So we've got three divorces, we've got Giselle being an empty nester, we've got Wendy turning a new chapter being 40. And he's like, three divorces. Is that because. It's not because of the show? Right? It's. That's a lot going on. That's a lot. And then it's really awkward where she just stares at him like, you, you're doing this to me again. Because you know after every time they shoot she's like, you are embarrassing me and talking down to me on television. And if you fucking do it again, he's like, I won't, I won't. Then he does it again like within five minutes and she just looks at him like, I'm going to kill you.

[Ronnie]

She's like, she's like, I'm like a 10 and you're Greg so how about you stop giving me this guff right now. But it was also kind of surprising because kind of an unspoken thing every now and then it does get brought up on a reunion is how this show precipitates a lot of divorces. You know, fame gets in the way or like whatever you have to do to be on these shows, it like is like a poison and it just kills all these relationships time and time again. And so for him to kind of voice that was and for them to air that, to acknowledge that was pretty like, I thought that was actually a pretty significant moment in the history of The Real Housewives.

[Ben]

It was brave. It was pure babe. It was pure bravery is what it was. It was brave.

[Ronnie]

That's what I thought. You know what? Greg was pouring into himself at that moment.

[Ben]

The show is Bravo's like, you know what, guys? Guess what we're doing this season on Potomac. Bravery. Get in here, everybody. So now she makes them do the packing scene with her. So they go to do the packing, and these guys could not be more bored. You know, she's like, should I take. Take the Gucci or should I take the Louis? And they're like, oh, my God. And, you know, his mother's at home, like, well, I wonder who bought that Louis. I'm gonna check the records.

[Ronnie]

And Greg is. Greg. So the brother is like, in Brian. He's like, hey, Greg, how are you doing? You settling in? And Greg's like, well, it's a transition. I have to see female stuff. And Brian's like, oh, so she's cooking. She's feeding you? He's like, yeah, I got turkey legs in the fridge right now. I'm like, sir all. Yeah, you have turkey legs in the fridge right now. So let your wife go on vacation. Not even let. She can go on vacation if she wants to, but stop giving her attitude when she's giving you turkey legs in her. In your fridge.

[Ben]

Yeah. So then we go over to Stacy with her Aunt Dora. Hi. And even Aunt Dora is trolling her about not getting any dick, which is rude.

[Ronnie]

She's like, aunt Dora, it's so great to see you. You can put your backpack down now. And please, your little cat friend is so adorable. What places have you been traveling to across the world? She's like, not the cartoon. So she's like, dora is my father's youngest sister. She's not that much older than me. So our friendship was more sisterly than Anthony's. It's almost like we have a sisterhood. Oh, my God, everywhere sisterhood. So I don't even call her Auntie Auntie Dora. I just call her Dora because she's like my sister. She is my everything. I love her.

[Ben]

So then Dora's like, oh, you know, this divorce needs to end. It's just. Just going on and on. And, you know, she goes. And it's a year. It's a long time not to get in now. I don't know if I can last that long. I was like, yes, Dora. I love Dora. I love a spicy. Auntie Stacy's like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

Excuse me. The tea is so hot in this sisterhood right now. Dora goes, well, how is. So how is that going? Have you met somebody? Are you dipping your toes in the water? Just. Well, I have met someone. A very good friend of mine. He is a famous actor who has one line on Grey's Anatomy in about three months. So keep an eye out for that one right there.

[Ben]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. She's like, is it that hottie from qvc? Tell me it's a mother. So. So on that guy. Aunt Dora, my goodness, is T. And Dora's like, tell me that man. Tell me that man. I've imagined ripping his shirt off, pulling it over his head after I ripped it off, strangling with it a little bit until he climaxes all the.

[Ronnie]

He's shaking. You've got to calm yourself down. No, I won't calm myself down until I motorboat his man boobs because they are made of iron.

[Ben]

I've never seen more Grey's Anatomy than I have when I've watched that five seconds of him showing up over and over and over. Oh, my God, Adora, you're climaxing at the table.

[Ronnie]

I love what she's having. Quiet. Rob Reiner's mother.

[Ben]

So no one's talking to you, meathead. And Dora.

[Ronnie]

Oh, there's actual Rob Reiner. So. Stacy, Rob Reiner.

[Ben]

Rob Reiner was like, I'm so mad at Republicans. Oh, eat your. Eat your pancakes, Rob.

[Ronnie]

Please, please, please. You're Michelle Lolly. Okay? You should be happy.

[Ben]

So she's like, well, you know, we're just saving ourselves. And she's, oh, okay, you know, you're doing the right thing. I am. Aunt Dora. She's like, yes, that's what Jesus wants us to do. So congratulations. I'll have to fucking watch some pornhub when I get home. I'm getting nothing from you. So you're buying this lunch?

[Ronnie]

Well, I think that if TJ and I were sleeping together, I would just. I would lose myself. And Dora goes, I can understand that. You know, if TJ and I were sleeping together, I would be more me than I've ever been in 30 years. Anyway, TJ, God, I love the rage behind his eyes. It's just a real turn on for me.

[Ben]

So then we go to Giselle, Giselle's date with Namsa at Hoxha, and they greet each other and start getting settled in and all that stuff. And Giselle's asking him if he likes to salsa, and he's like, well, actually, I used to live in Miami, so I took some salsa lessons. Huh. Can't wait to show you a little salsa. Oh my God, I can't wait for you to sh. Auntie. Wait, what's her name? Andor get out of the.

[Ronnie]

So they, the bar that they're in is some sort of salsa bar. It looks like a normal, I shouldn't say normal, but it just is like, it looks like a regular non dance themed bar. But there's like this one couple that is very aware that there's a camera there because they keep salsa dancing in direct eyeline of the camera. And so this entire scene's happening and there's this one guy who's like. And I'm like, no one else in this restaurant or this bar is dancing. What are you doing? Later on in the scene, people start to dance, but they're the only ones. And everyone's sitting at like high tops drinking beers. And these people are going so above and beyond with their salsa dancing to be on tv. It was driving me mad.

[Ben]

Yeah, the thirsty regular people. People, the normals.

[Ronnie]

Thirsty salsa. Well, you know, okay, here's the. You know what's the most annoying is that one couple that takes a dance class and then has to do the dance class everywhere they go. And that's what these people are. They clearly took a salsa class and then they're like, okay, we're going to do this salsa dance at this restaurant and there's a camera there. It's like, then they go to a. It's like the, the people who take one dance class and then they go to like a wedding and then they like, like do like over the top dancing.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And then people circle around them and clap and. But you're like show offs, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, no, I'm actually never like that. I'm usually so grateful because I don't have to dance. You know, the more that, the more people there are like that in the world, the less that my family is like, ronnie, why aren't you dancing? You know why I'm not dancing. You all asking me what an idiot I look like when I dance. That's why I'm not dancing. Okay? It's embarrassing. Last time I danced at a wedding, someone prayed tongues over me. Literally.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

Why do I feel like you dancing at a wedding is like you doing like singing in the rain? I just feel like you'd be hanging off of like. Like you would actually pull in a light pole somehow. You'd be like, all right, everyone. And a light pole would just glide in and you'd be like, I would.

[Ben]

Tap dance a lot. I can tap dance. I could do that. No, I got in trouble for doing a risky business dance. Cause that song came on na na na Old time rock and roll. I've told you this before. But for those of you new, this Risky Business song came on at a really religious wedding. And I came out in my boxers. I was like, it was just boxers. I mean, they do it on TV all the time. And I slid across the floor and people were laughing and I got in so much trouble. And one of the. My grandpa ended up. We found out he had a stroke, so we all had to leave. My whole family starts leaving and then this lady pushes me up against the wall with her husband and put her hands on my head and started praying over me in tongues. She was like, taka taka tika taka taka. Please, Lord, save this man. This deviant, this deviant soul. He doesn't know what he's doing. And literally kept me. My dad was never so mad because we were missing the stroke while I was getting tongue sprayed. And I couldn't be like, fuck off, lady. Cause I had just made this huge infraction at a religious wedding. So I'm never dancing again at a wedding is the point.

[Ronnie]

You just love that old time rock and roll. What can you say?

[Ben]

God, not even anymore. I'm traumatized every time I see Tom Cruise. I'm like, no one's prayed tongues over his ass.

[Ronnie]

Well, a lot of us are traumatized when we see Tom Cruise, but that's a whole other story.

[Ben]

I mean, that's true.

[Ronnie]

I saw a trailer for the. The latest Mission Impossible and I'm like, wow, Wow. I think I want to see it, though. I want to see it.

[Ben]

Well, just like his running. It's this. The running that he does. Like Shannon Beador in the tap dancing scene in Real Housewives of Orange county where he runs like this all the time.

[Ronnie]

He just runs so aggressively. I'm like, dude, like, get a scooter.

[Ben]

He's an aggressive. Yeah, he's. But also, he's not just saving. He's not just saving a country this time. He's saving the entire world.

[Ronnie]

Some sort of submarine under an ice shelf. And you know, typical tell you, those trailers, not great in general, Terrible trailers before this. Wicked. So anyway, we're here on this date. Giselle is with Namsa, and he's talking about taking salsa lessons. And Giselle's talking about how she met him at speed dating. And you know, he said, let's go dancing. And she was like, okay, let's. We could do this. So then she's joking about how she's not a good dancer, which then begets a sequence of her dancing, which is accurate. She's not a good dancer.

[Ben]

Well, here's one thing I'll say for Giselle. She's a terrible dancer. And here's another thing. This is the first time I've seen any kind of chemistry with her and somebody on. I mean, it's Giselle, so I'm assuming this is just a fake storyline to promote their dating show that they're gonna be doing. But whatever it is, they found someone hot enough that she's actually feeling it. She's like, wow, this guy's actually hot. I never. I've always felt like she's faking it, but this time I at least got some, like, she's alive kind of a feeling.

[Ronnie]

I actually agree. I thought there was chemistry. I feel like it's not that he's hot enough. He's. He is. Is. He's in the. In the proper hot range, which is that he is hot enough to be hot, but not too hot to have no personality. Like. Because, like, Jason last year is, like, smoke show hot, but, like, there was no chemistry because all he is is hot. Right? Although I have. I actually like Jason, but I could. We could see there was no chemistry between the two of them. But here this guy is hot enough to be like, okay, get the tingles going. But not, not. Not so hot that he has to rely solely on hotness to get by in life. He had to develop some personality.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, we'll see what happens with those crazy kids. Now let's go over to Karen's Love Lagoon party.

[Ronnie]

Karen's Love Lagoon party. Let's go over to there. So somebody.

[Ben]

Hilarious. Because Ray's like, there's mermaids in the pool. There's ladies with tails. Get your hands off the mermaids, Ray. This is the 90s.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

He's like, putting one in his trunk. I saw it in a movie that's. You can't do that in real life, Ray, all right? It's not Daryl Hannah. You'll go to prison. It's called trafficking, Ray.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, because they get in the water, the mermaids go hopping into the pool. And camera goes, there she goes. There goes the mermaid. Yay. And Ray goes, yay. What do you mean, yay? No, I'm just. Just touching the temperature of the water. She goes, stop that. Don't touch the water that has mermaids in it.

[Ben]

Ray. He's like, I'm not going to hurt the mermaid. Like, I love that. Ry is like, being accused yet again of hurting a mermaid. It's like. It's like this has happened to Ray before. He's like, I Told you I'm not going to hurt the mermaid. Why is everybody always accusing me of hurting the mermaids?

[Ronnie]

So Giselle. Giselle and Ashley are riding in her car with their speed date people, which is Josh and Namsa, and they are war. They're giving, like, the heads up. So Giselle's like, all right, so Karen is the elder statesman of our group. And. And Ash goes, yeah, she's the season one. And yes. And then her husband is Rey, and he is very seasoned. Very, very seasoned.

[Ben]

Ah, he's beef jerky covered in adobo. The man is dry you out.

[Ronnie]

He is like a mole. A lot of ingredients and seasonings.

[Ben]

So they're nervous because they're taking these dudes. Basically, it's like a second date, and they're, like, going to a couple's party where they have to have games and stuff. And Giselle's like, don't worry. I'm not going to let them bother you. And then we see the Love Boat. You know, we see this, like, Love Boat montage of, like, wacky things. Okay, so they're making these blue drinks with dry ice in them and martini glasses, and the martinis are just frothing over, over. So they start playing the sexy music and then showing these martinis literally every two minutes for the next. It's so funny. I don't know if they just didn't get enough footage that day, but then they're like, okay, another couple's coming in. Foaming martinis. Foaming martinis. We get it.

[Ronnie]

The Grandamtini also, by the way. You know, I feel like we never really give any love. We usually are pretty good about giving love to recurring side characters. I want to give some love to Robin. That's. That's Karen's, like, event planner slash publicist, like, helper. Robin always shows up with a big, big, old long wig, and she says, like, okay, I'm gonna help you out. I'm gonna help you. We got some grand damn teenies. And she doesn't really do anything this episode, but I just want to give a shout out that, like, Robin, I see you, and you're doing great work over there. I love your wig.

[Ben]

You're doing fantastic, fantastic stuff. So everybody starts coming in, and Mia shows up alone. And Stacy's like, it takes a confident woman to show up at a couple's event alone. It's like, well, actually, I'm happy coming to us couples. Why am I talking like Meredith? Actually, I'm very happy coming to a couple's event solo. Dolo.

[Ronnie]

Also, she's invited Jacqueline to make us a surprise appearance later, so she's not really solo. And then Jassy shows up. We have a return of Jassy, which makes me happy because I really enjoy Jassy because Jassy is so ridiculous. And she's like, hi, here's a bottle of wine from my family's vineyard. It's a 23 year old bottle. It doesn't have any wine in it, but it's a bottle I found. So enjoy. You can put on your shelf.

[Ben]

Wow, that's. That bottle's young enough for your husband to impregnate while you're dating. For your boyfriend, rather. So then she's not married to him, right?

[Ronnie]

No, I. You know, they're not. They're not.

[Ben]

No, they're not married. So Karen's like, you, you are the best gift giver. And Wendy looks around at the decorations and she's like, I'm not gonna say I spy with the ghost, but baby. And then we see a clip of Wendy's birthday, which had white flowers. So there's some white things at this party. So this must be a copy girl. This is nothing like your party. I don't like what you're talking about.

[Ronnie]

You did not invite flowers and a table runner. That's standard decor.

[Ben]

This has blue martinis.

[Ronnie]

So pay attention to Elise Lisa Vanderpump, and you could even say Taylor Armstrong with her Mad Hatter tea party back in 2010. But you did not invent it, Wendy.

[Ben]

No, ma'am. Sorry, ma'am. So then Eddie brings, you know, his stuff and happy Eddie stuff to pass around to everybody. And they're like, so, Ray, you have a pool. How often do you go in the pool? He's like, if the mermaids are in there, I'll go every day. Ray. I didn't touch a mermaid. Okay, Ray. God.

[Ronnie]

Then Karen starts talking about Nam Namsa, and she's like, I like him. I just think he won't last a moment with Giselle. He's too nice. Okay. You know, and Josh. Josh is gorgeous, but he looks like he's on a milk carton. A baby on the milk garden. Just. Just gorgeous. Like he's got carnation milk on his breath or something.

[Ben]

And he really does look like this, by the way.

[Ronnie]

I still feel like he looks like Lance Bass with a poof on his head. I'm gonna stand by that.

[Ben]

Well, once she said that, he's like, you can smell the formula on his breath or whatever. I was like, oh, my God, he is a baby. He's a baby with Beavis hair.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he is a baby.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So then Wendy's like, oh, my God, is that Jack Hollow? Where did this middle school Jack Hollow come from? This is a lateral move. Okay. Which seems like it actually is true. So this more.

[Ben]

This was not a lateral move. How is this a lateral move from Michael?

[Ronnie]

Maybe we'll talk about out of Crappy Hour tonight. Actually, this is.

[Ben]

This is scaling.

[Ronnie]

Old queen of the bar chimed in about this person and. Oh, I will say. I will share what they said on Crappy Hour tonight.

[Ben]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So then they make some small talk. Whatever. Should we just get to the game or was there something important happening?

[Ronnie]

Wait, no. What about the part when they said, oh, my God, hi. Just kidding. No, let's get to the game.

[Ben]

They're like, hi, mermaids. Okay, let's go to the game. So they play a game and wait, I do have something to say.

[Ronnie]

Say. I just have something stupid to say. But it bothered me. It's clearly hot out, and they're all sitting in the shade. And I felt bad for Josh because Ashley, like, insisted that she would sit on Josh's lap. And I was like, if I were Josh, I'd not that be annoyed. But it's like, it's hot out, and then you have a human sitting on your lap and you're on camera for the first group thing. You know, you're gonna sweat. I was like, I felt you're gonna.

[Ben]

Have some sweaty balls.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. You know, he's gonna be sweating soon, so.

[Ben]

Well, as long as she's not. Because then you're getting someone else's butt sweat on you.

[Ronnie]

You know, that would not be good.

[Ben]

Yeah. So. But they're new. You know, that's what you do when you're new. You're, like, sitting on. And also, we're gay, so we don't get to do that stuff at parties. Really. I mean, unless we're at a gay party. But usually I don't think even we do that there. But yeah, we're not used to being able to sit on each other's laps in public like this. So it's like, what? That's just so weird when you see somebody else, like, oh, go. They get to do it.

[Ronnie]

It was. Took us to a dark place. We have to pour into ourselves, Ronnie. So, yeah, the game. The game is afoot.

[Ben]

Okay, so the first question is, who has cheated on each other? What kind of game is this? What kind of game is this?

[Ronnie]

She acts like she pulled that. That question out randomly. She's like, all right, everyone, I'm gonna pull the first question. Oh, my God. What are the odds that I pulled out this question for first? Who's cheated? So now they're gonna go around the horn, and it's like, the question is.

[Ben]

Like, I think it's newlywed, right? So they asked for each other. So, like, Wendy has to say if Eddie. She thinks Eddie's cheated and vice versa.

[Ronnie]

It's not even Newlywed Game. It's just like, answer the question. All they're doing is answering the questions. So they're going around.

[Ben]

Well, last year, they at least had the whiteboards, but this year they're like.

[Ronnie]

No, unfortunately, we left them whiteboards on the traffic median. And, well, we know what happened over there. So, yeah, run them over. So they're just asking, like. Like, have you ever felt like your partner has cheated? And so Karen's like, well, I don't feel like you've ever cheated one day, baby. Except over those mermaids. But that does account as cheating if you're sleeping with a merfolk fictional character. I don't think so. So, yes, I don't think you ever cheated.

[Ben]

Also, because if you had cheated, I probably would have seen the mermaid again at some point. I didn't do anything to the mermaid. All right, Ray, calm down. So he's like, you are correct. I never cheated. And she's like, oh, hallelujah, everybody.

[Ronnie]

Hallelujah.

[Ben]

And Jaz goes, what was he gonna say? Wendy goes, yeah, what's he gonna say? I cheated in 1986.

[Ronnie]

And Ray goes, and I also do not feel like my partner has ever cheated. And Giselle's like, did you see the smile on her face? Like, you're acting like you haven't cheated on Raymond. No, ma'am. No, ma'am.

[Ben]

No, ma'am.

[Ronnie]

We see flashbacks to all the cheating.

[Ben]

Accusations of just them being like, wait a minute. Why are you acting like you. You weren't fucking Blue Eyes the driver? And then we just cut to Karen at the reunion being like. Just sucking on those dentures, like. Like, guilty as hell. You know, Karen is guilty when she starts taking all the cilantro out of her teeth with her lips. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So then they're asking Stacy, and Stacy is like, well, despite what Giselle has said in the past, Giselle and Karen the other day at lunch said they feel like when you're in la, you're doing your own thing, tj. Like you have a whole other separate life. And then Giselle's like, yeah, but I thought you guys weren't a couple, you know? And. And she's like. Like, you're not a couple, so this doesn't even apply. It doesn't even matter. You're not a couple couple.

[Ben]

So TJ's like, I have to agree with her. And they're like, oh, my God, burn. And she goes, wait, so what are you, friends? Are you friends with benefits? Friend with no benefits? Are you sleeping with anyone in la? Tj, are you? And he's like, well, my Bugs money that's on my bed.

[Ronnie]

Everyone's like, what? What?

[Ben]

Gosh, as if. Do you guys not have enough ick? Okay. Do you not have enough ick, Dick?

[Ronnie]

Oh, man, that was a terrible. That was a terrible pivot. Like, you tried to. You tried to cover up, like, some. Something that would make people go cringe, but you just replaced it with something else that I think actually makes people cringe more. Like, it would have been just, now.

[Ben]

They don't think you're gay. Now they think you're a pedophile. So nice work.

[Ronnie]

Just like, why do you have a Bugs Bunny plushie on your bed? No one has that. That's not a thing.

[Ben]

It's just weird. And so I like that they all boo him. Just. I was like, not a good answer. Ra. Not a good answer.

[Ronnie]

Bugs Bunny, not an answer.

[Ben]

So then she's like, oh, well, we did have lunch together, Karen and I. Yeah. And we did tell Stacey that we should find a bunch of penises, all different shapes, sizes, colors. And do what? Penis do. That is what she needs to do with penises. And she goes, well, why did you have to tell the story like that, Giselle?

[Ronnie]

Jeez. Like, well, what I'm just trying to say is, get some man inserted in her vagina, and now she's, like, riding some Bogo sticks. Like, get. Get it done. Get that vagina all licked in and stuff in it. Oh, stop it. Stop it. It's while they're saying this right in front of TJ, like, yeah, and he.

[Ben]

Just loves being on TV. He's like, yeah, TJ is just. He's bungling this so bad. So then TJ's like, well, I get that. And listen, if you guys weren't her friends and you weren't looking out for her, you wouldn't have said that. Right? So I'm putting everything into being transparent and not having something on the side. So it's going to answer the question. Like, yes, exactly.

[Ronnie]

He's like, I'm just here to be transparent. And as a person who landed a one line spot on Grey's Anatomy, I just want to say thank you for giving me another television gig. It's great. It's great being here in another group event and not being ignored by Stacy.

[Ben]

And just the way he worded this. I'm putting everything into being transparent. Not having something on the side. Well, what does that mean? You're putting energy into not having something on the side. But do you have something on the side or not? Answer the question.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Stacy's like, well, this is a very intense game. Can we go to the next couple, please? So now we go to Darius and Jassy. And Darius is like, do you feel like your partner has ever cheated? And she's like, do you? He goes, no, I don't. She goes, oh, okay. Well, I do. I do think you've cheated. I don't have the proof, but I do feel it.

[Ben]

You think he's cheated on you? He just laughs like, haha, of course I did.

[Ronnie]

He's like, I'm in the NFL. Have you seen me? Me, I'm in the NFL. And I feel like Jassy was trying to have a moment. She was having a moment where the music goes boom, boom. And it cuts a commercial, but the show just keeps going.

[Ben]

Jesse's doing this thing where she's like, look at me standing up for myself. I know my man has lied before about a whole. About a whole child. And although I never caught him, I. I'm also not an idiot. I am not. Ma'am. He had two. Two of the children while you were dating him. Yeah, you. You are an idiot. You're still standing right fucking there. What are you talking about?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this is not a court of law. You don't have to have, like, you don't have to have the hard evidence. Okay. You don't have to have the videotape. You know, he lied to you. He had a baby behind your back.

[Ben]

Two. You have two. Isn't that the thing? Am I getting that wrong?

[Ronnie]

It feels like. It feels like every episode there's another child. The point is, don't say that. You're not an idiot. But then you're still sticking with a guy who had a baby behind your back. Back.

[Ben]

And he goes, well, you know, when things are on break, I'm not going to deny that maybe things happened when we were on break. I'm like, what, are people still using that from friends? We were on break. Two children later. Okay, let's just take the two out of it, because maybe it's just one. A child later.

[Ronnie]

I don't know.

[Ben]

Come on, man. Come on.

[Ronnie]

So that's funny about Darius is that Darius has this goofy smile. He's like. He has, like. He literally looks like an emoji when he smiles. And he just has this voice. He's like. Like, yeah. He's like a total himbo. And he's just like, yeah, I had a baby. Like, Jassy, come on now.

[Ben]

Yeah. So then Greg is like, I'm gonna say no because she's being followed, so I would know. And they're like, ha ha, ha, ha. Which probably isn't a joke. So I didn't laugh, really. So then Mia's like, well, I'm not going to. Well, I'll speak for Gordon, because I'm still legally married to him. And the answer is no. He does. I do not think that he's cheated. And Giselle goes, wait, wait, wait, Mia, stop. And then we see mia revealing in 2021 that she had a threesome. And Mia's like, that's not cheating. If I said you can sleep with her, it's not cheating because I knew about it, you know? And Stacy's like, oh, my God, Aunt Dora. Oh, my. You're even worse.

[Ronnie]

And then Karen's like, but have you ever cheated on Gordon? She goes, oh, yeah, I have. Anyway, next question. She's just like, yeah, pass the cheese.

[Ben]

She also had a child with who she's cheating on, which was Ink, possibly. Maybe. We don't know yet.

[Ronnie]

Who was just honored, by the way, thank you very much.

[Ben]

With an award that I'm not naming here because I would like to maintain Ink's privacy about public awards that he's receiving.

[Ronnie]

But it was a cleo. And you're welcome. Cable.

[Ben]

A Cleo. He won the Cable Ace Award.

[Ronnie]

That's right. So our cleos are for advertising. Cable Ace Award is. Oh, remember the Cable Ace Awards?

[Ben]

I sure do. So weren't they on, like, usa, The USA Network. The Cable Ace Awards. They're like, here's a pack of gum for winning this. Best Wings cast member of Wings reruns.

[Ronnie]

It was all like that.

[Ben]

Oh, so then now they talk about, like, who's more dominant and who's more submissive. And Kierna is like, tj, this could give some insight into you. Basically, they just all bag on him for being a virgin still. And he's like, but I'm not a virgin. And so Kieran is like, oh, so you can let Stacy know how you like it when you get there, I guess.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so. And then they're all talking about who. Who's. Who's dominant. Who's. Basically all the. Pretty much all the men say they're dominant. Pretty much all the women say they're submissive. Although in the case of Ashley, when she dips into the lady pond, she's actually more dominant, etc. And then we get to this like, really awkward moment where like. Like there. Stacy. And it gets to Stacy and. And tj and he's basically like. He's like. She's like, well, she says that like, well, I. When I'm in the bedroom, I'm definitely more dominant. And then all of a sudden he's like, like, yo, fam, just cuz I ain't sleeping with you now, don't mean you're ever going to be more dominant than I am. And everyone's like, it's like, what is like TJ suddenly becomes a little bit more affected and everyone's like, okay, tj, just stop. Just stop trying to. Stop trying to. To. To make this happen right now.

[Ben]

It's like, fine when they think that he's not having sex, but to suggest that he would be a submissive in the bedroom is extremely offensive to his manhood. Like, okay, yeah.

[Ronnie]

And so now all of a sudden he has to suddenly act like, oh, I'm very, very dominant or what? It's not even like, like whether he's dominant or submissive, who cares? But it's more like that he suddenly has like, this is the moment where he. You sort of sense that he's trying to defend his manhood in a way. In a way. And it just feels so, like.

[Ben]

It just feels so like you're sad and pointless. So Mia's like, my. I laughed when she goes, well, with Gordon. Gordon. I was dominant with Gordon. Because you have to be mania, am I right? But Ink, like, he likes to choke me, so I'm gonna give him dominant. Stacy goes, oh my God, it's 12 in the afternoon.

[Ronnie]

I like, Giselle goes, me, Arabella's still awake. And Giselle's like, yeah, Mia, of course he has to strangle you. That's the only way he can hold on to you.

[Ben]

Oh my gosh.

[Ronnie]

So wrong in so many ways.

[Ben]

But I laughed so funny. So then, oh, this is the moon. Move on. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

No, but Karen goes, yes, I'm sure Ink has to use 12 apple boxes just to get to the neck.

[Ben]

I love that she just keeps saying it. And I laugh every single time. Like I never don't laugh at that.

[Ronnie]

DJ Applebox is still one of the funniest things. We have to make a mental note that that has to somehow be nominated for a crappy in some form.

[Ben]

It's so funny. So then, you know, they start talking about Ashley's lesbian, you know, dips in a lady pond. I shouldn't say lesbianism, but bisexuality and stuff. And then Wendy talks about how Ashley showed her her bits in Mexico. And then Darius starts talking about how he also likes to choke. And it's, like, not cute from you, Darius, because you're a cheater already. Look, we don't want to hear it from you.

[Ronnie]

So then Ray mentions that he was like, Karen was more dominant than he was, and she used to tear her up. Tear him up, I should say. And then they ask, like, hey, by the way, Karen, you retired your mouth. Ray, do you want. Do you want Karen to come out of retirement? And he's like, yes, absolutely. And they're all just, like, laughing. And then all a sudden, music, the Jaws music starts to play, and we see, like, cam the camera work from inside the pool, like, the mermaids are in danger. And then this tiny, adorable dog shows up on the lawn. And they're like, karen, you don't have a dog. Do you have a dog? And she's like, no. And then here comes Jacqueline with a whole bunch of balloons. And Karen's like, absolutely not.

[Ben]

No. Go away. No.

[Ronnie]

No, Jacqueline. And it's.

[Ben]

You know how stupid I am. I did not. When I watched this last night, I don't know if I started scrolling on my phone because I just thought it was over or what, but I was just scrolling, and then I heard, do you have a dog? And they were playing Jaws music. And I was like, are they playing this? Because they're so terrified of the dog? I didn't even notice it was Jacqueline coming over.

[Ronnie]

It was Jacqueline as a to be.

[Ben]

Continued again, I was like, that's hilarious that they're making all this big to do about this little tiny dog.

[Ronnie]

You know, when the. The rule is if they put to be continued on the screen, that means you don't get to see what happens next episode. They don't put up a next episode on. So we had this low stakes to be continued. Like, no one cares that Jacqueline showed up. We, like, it doesn't matter to. Why was this a tv? Continued why?

[Ben]

Don't know. So silly.

[Ronnie]

Potomac, come on.

[Ben]

Oh, my gosh. All right, everybody. Well, thanks so much for being with us. We will talk to you tonight at 5:30 and every other week at 5 Pacific time for Crappy hour. Go get tickets for the mounting Hysteria tour at watch what crappens.com also the golden crappies. And we will see you next time. Bye bye.

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