Ben (3:21)

Okay, so Erica is talking about she needs a new start, blah, blah, blah. She just wants to. All she's been doing is surviving, but now she's coming out of it and she. She's feeling good and she's ready to rumble and she's ready to get a remodel. So then she's like, yeah, you know, Sutton gave this speech in Oceanside about sisterhood, and then she points me out because I made some comment to Kyle about what Dorit said, and then apparently it wasn't good enough where I should have brought it up to the entire group, you know, and whatever. Then she flips out all the time, so whatever. So then we get a montage of Sutton flipping out.

Ronnie (3:59)

She feels left out or something. Yeah.

Ben (4:01)

Erica goes, I mean, I'm not here to diagnose personality disorders, but I've got one, so we probably all do, let's face it. And she's not right. And then she just slurps her coke. Yep.

Ronnie (4:13)

And then she's like, you know, I've worked so hard to do, you know, this in the past. You know, you know, I just need to move forward. And why do I get, like, why do I get and hate this word, I hate saying this word triggered, but, like, why do I get so triggered by a sudden. And Dr. Jen's like, well, Sutton tends to trigger you for a number of reasons. First of all, everyone triggers you. Second of all, I think that anytime that you get a should, your knee jerk reaction is a you. And, like, don't tell me what to do. And how dare you judge me and fuck off. And I'm not paying for this therapy bill. I might as well get some fortune cookers for this sort of advice. I don't know, I think you just sort of say those things sometimes.

Ben (4:49)

And Erica's like, okay, well, that was an accurate call. And it was. It was an accurate read. And this, this entire scene, as I said before earlier in the recap, I was extremely impressed with this therapist. We're not used to seeing a level of therapy that works on this show. And so on these shows in general, it's usually just a waste. But Erica's actually, you can tell. Been going to this person. Actually been going. And I think her advice is good. Although I would say this is the part where I was like, she's triggered by Sutton. Cause clearly she has mommy issues. I mean, she's talked about her mommy issues on the show. She's from a Southern Bl. Woman from the same place that Sutton's from. And her mom, she considers to be such a bitch. And her mom seems pretty nice, but considered. But of course she knows how to Southern mom it too. I have a Southern mom as well. But she's triggered. And Sutton triggers the fuck out of her. And so I'm surprised her therapist isn't calling her on the mommy issues. I think she's touching on it by saying, well, whenever somebody bosses you around, you get mad. Right.

Ronnie (5:50)

And so. Well, I mean, because, I mean, that's the thing is that, like, the mommy is. It's not that, like, oh, this is a result of mommy issues. The mommy issues are a result of this, I would probably imagine. I don't know. You know, I'm. I'm. I have therapy later today. Well, meaning that, like, you know, the, the. It's not like. It's like, when she doesn't like to hear shoulds, I would imagine it's speak like. And her mom is the greatest example of that. But like, generally speaking, it's like, like on a more fundamental. I think it's just. It's more fundamental. More fundamental than just like, oh, an issue with your mom more fundamentally is you don't like being told should. I don't know. You know, I'm not a therapist. I don't even know why I'm acting like.

Ben (6:29)

Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I think she's touching on her mommy things by saying. Because, you know, that's what moms do. They say, you should be this way, Erica. You should do this, Erica. And I think maybe it's a wave. Maybe it's a way of not directly saying, like, you have mommy issues. Because she doesn't want to trigger her.

Ronnie (6:43)

Because she said it so many times and she knows if she says it one more time, she. And she in turn will become the mother in the relationship with her patient.

Ben (6:51)

So that's very. That's very good. Yeah, you know, that does happen. There's all kinds of. What do you call it? Transference. There's all kinds of transference for therapists, you know, and that's definitely one of Them.

Ronnie (7:02)

Yeah, I'm exactly. I got my therapy today.

Ben (7:05)

You need therapy for therapy? Like, I wonder what my therapist was thinking about me when I was telling her about my mommy issues. I mean, the way she looked at me. I will never forgive her. I will never. I'm gonna go back, though. I'm gonna go back. I know I shouldn't, but I'm going to.

Ronnie (7:19)

So she's like, well, you know, this is historical for you. I mean, less about Sutton and more about your history of shoulds in this group of women. And, you know, you have your own list of shoulds of what the woman should have done for you and what apparently you expect from a therapist and how much you think you should pay a therapist who actually comes to your house, comes to this beautiful sanctuary that you want to paint black and white and all the things you think you should be doing. And Erica's like, okay, okay, all right, I got it.

Ben (7:49)

I got it. Well, it's interesting to hear you say that, because Sutton threw a surprise pajama party, pizza party for Kyle. I played that five times, laughing so hard. Sutton threw a surprise pajama party, pizza party for Kyle. Sutton threw a surprise pajama party, pizza party for Kyle. Sutton threw a surprise party pajama. See, I can't do it. Try and do it multiple times. Sutton threw a surprise pajama party pizza party. I kept laughing shells by the seashore. Because she's.

Ronnie (8:19)

I'll give it. I'll give you Twister. I don't give a fuck.

Ben (8:23)

We see a clip of that, and then it comes back and Erica's like, but I was not given a pizza party. I was actually met with a lot of judgment. And Dr. Ting goes, you didn't get a pizza party because your divorce wasn't clean. And then we see clips of that. And she goes, and it was also Lexapro and alcohol. And she goes, well, I guess that's not the best combination. And she goes, yeah, that's not pizza party behavior. And Erica goes, yeah.

Ronnie (8:53)

Maybe.

Ben (8:53)

It's definitely one of my favorite all time Erica scenes. This almost beats the one where she went to the fucking book place when she was selling her book and showed up in her sunglasses. I was dying at that one, too, but this is one of my all time favorite scenes. This is just so Erica, this whole thing. Erica's most mad that she didn't get a pizza party. So if anyone's doubting that Erica doesn't have mommy issues, here it is.

Ronnie (9:17)

I know. Really? She's like, I mean, the Party shows. Well, maybe at some point there is a pizza party with these women where they are able to acknowledge the that you took and you can further acknowledge the that you gave that you shouldn't have. Okay.

Ben (9:36)

Oh, maybe they can come over when we redo the house. What about that? And she goes, oh, yes, you should do a pizza party. God damn it. You're really trying me. Okay, well, I'll be on call for you that night.

Ronnie (9:50)

That will be fun when they order 12 pizzas and no one touches a single slice. So I'll go over there. So now it's finally time for Kyle's denim and diamonds party. And it's all being set up. There's the famous mini horse, etc. Kyle's getting her glam done. Kyle is. I can't stand Kyle's outfit. I have, like, an irrational hatred towards Kyle's outfit for this. For this party. She's wearing, like a black cowboy hat and, like a black sleeveless, like, vest. Well inherent. It's a vest. She's wearing a black vest. And then, like, she's wearing black pants, too. I don't know. There was something about this look that I just could not stand on, Kyle. I don't know.

Ben (10:38)

I didn't even really notice her look, to be honest. So I couldn't. I couldn't really disagree with you or agree with you because I wasn't paying attention, because I was just laughing so hard at the miniature horse because I was such a nod to Vanderpump. And then the denims and diamond diamonds was so Vanderpump sounding. And then how she goes. And I've got a crown, too. Well, I mean, this cowboy hat is my crown. I'm like, you even need to do the crown. You are so textbook that at this point, it's just fucking funny to me. You know, it's kind of cute. Like, that's a sis. It's another sister she's just always going to hate.

Ronnie (11:09)

Yes, the cowboy hat is heavy. So.

Ben (11:17)

So then we go to Dorit. So we go to everybody while they're getting ready, basically, you know, and Erica's, you know, Erica's like, pew, pew, I've got guns. And Laia's just like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. All right, you're just on minimum wage. You don't need to do a full guffaw on that one. Laia, I don't need too much effort from you.

Ronnie (11:38)

Ly, are you eating a slice of pizza? Not in front of me. Come on, you know the rules. She's like, sorry, my friends gave it to me because, well, I lost my pencil and they said, it's like, you divorced your pencil. And they threw me a pizza party. Oh, come on.

Ben (11:55)

Well, guess who the first person to arrive is. Thirsty ass Camille. Here comes Camille on time. Which is hilarious because that's new housewife behavior. I'm so embarrassed for Camille. So she comes and she's like, oh, Kyle. Oh, hi. How are you, Kyle?

Ronnie (12:13)

I know we're on.

Ben (12:14)

Kyle.

Ronnie (12:14)

We're separated because I need to show up, say hello.

Ben (12:21)

That's what you need to do.

Ronnie (12:23)

It's great seeing you and looking forward to this party.

Ben (12:27)

Yeah.

Ronnie (12:28)

And love the diamonds in the dad.

Ben (12:30)

Oh, yeah. That's a great night. So upsetting, Kyle. So upsetting.

Ronnie (12:39)

All right, have a great night, everyone. So, yeah, Camille is shaking her head.

Ben (12:46)

And doing that, like, I'm so sad for you, Kyle. She's just making that face like, poor, poor Kyle.

Ronnie (12:52)

Welcome to my house.

Ben (12:53)

Like, my party. It's like, hard doing without Mauricio, you know, for the first time. And Camille's like, yeah, Kyle, I get it. You know, because you think they love you, and then before you know it, they're just like, divorcing you. Fucking. Fucking flight attendants, you know, selling your house, selling your best friend, selling your tennis lover, your tennis pro lover. You know, all that stuff. Just. That's embarrassing you. I don't even own D anymore, Kyle. Do you know how embarrassing that is? And Kyle's like, I think she's projecting because, like, I have an amazing divorce and Camille's a pathetic divorce, so Carl's even competing to have the best divorce.

Ronnie (13:27)

She is competing because. Because Camille is like. She's like, oh, my God. Like, isn't it so funny because. Because Kyle's saying that Marisa's often a bachelor pad having fun, and she goes, w. Like, don't even have to deal with the day to day. It's like a party for them, you know, midlife crisis, fun girls, blah, blah, blah. And Carl's like, no, not really with my divorce. Sorry. My divorce is not like that. I'm like, yeah, it's because you're the one who had the midlife crisis, Kyle, not Mauricio.

Ben (13:53)

Yeah, you're the year. You're both the ones with young girls at this point, you know, so. And that's. I think that's something for a good couple, you know, like Kyle and Mauricio. I still think Kyle and Mauricio are a great couple. And I do hope that they get back together because I think they're a good couple, damn it. And I still see them occasional when they're together now. I think they're a great couple. So whatever. I don't care what anybody says about that. I hope that they get back together because I think it says something for people who they're so close that they even go through their midlife crisises at the same time and both start fucking young girls. Yeah, listen, if they were gay, they'd be doing it together. You know, it's just straight people have all these stupid walls up that they can't live like us and they won't do it together. But if this was gay, we'd be like, this is the best gay relationship ever. Look at them out there banging young people together. I mean, what a dream.

Ronnie (14:42)

What a dream. But, yeah, I still think it's hilarious that Kyle is, as you said, competing with Camille about her divorce. So Kyle man's going pretty cute.

Ben (14:53)

Yeah.

Ronnie (14:54)

So then more people that.

Ben (14:55)

I'm starting to find Kyle cute because she's just so ridiculously herself. It's weird, right? I'm, like, actually enjoying her this season when normally she makes. She triggers me. I'm actually enjoying her because she's just such a car. She's just such a caricature of herself at this point that I'm dying laughing every time we can't get out of her own way. It's so good. So then we see all the headlines about Mauricio, even though Kyle's denying it, we see all the headlines of Mauricio banging young people. And then Trixie Monocle is brought in for her new hit. Cowgirl, cowgirl Come on we go on a ride Put your saddle on the horse yeah, we sit and hide Moving in the city yeah, we gonna bring the vibes Having fun in the sun Trixie, that is too many lyrics. Now, you know this isn't the real Trixie Monaco, because Trixie would have just said, I'm a cowgirl. I'm a cowgirl.

Ronnie (15:48)

Yeah, this was. Repeat this. This is not someone. Someone brought in, like, Kelly Pickler or something to do her. Like, it's not right. Is this.

Ben (15:56)

This is Folksy Monocle. Folksy, Folksy. Fake a call.

Ronnie (16:01)

Yeah, I would say so. So Garcelle shows up. She's like, oh, there's a little pony look. And cow's like, oh, yeah. Oh, my God, you look gorgeous. And just, you know, there's a place over there to get tattoos. And, like, the guy there is, like, apparently very, very cute. And she's like, why are we doing.

Ben (16:18)

This again at another party in la. Stop doing that to people. People should not have to be permanently scarred from coming to your party. They did this on the Valley, too. Stop.

Ronnie (16:26)

Yeah.

Ben (16:26)

What a weird thing to make people do. I mean, I know you're not making them, but you kind of are. There's peer pressure. Stop. I don't want to have to remember your stupid diamonds and rose party for the rest of my life.

Ronnie (16:36)

I know. That's the thing, too, is, like, when people ask, where'd you get that tattoo? You have to say, well, I was at a. I was at a diamonds and a denim and diamonds party at Kylie Richards house, and the tattoo artist there. So I got the tattoo.

Ben (16:49)

I don't know.

Ronnie (16:49)

I feel like it kind of devalues the tattoo. I feel like there should be a story about how you thought about it forever, and then you, like, had, like, went. You know, you drew up plans for what it was going to look like, and then you went to the tattoo parlor. Or on the flip side, I got wasted and went to a tattoo parlor. But I just feel like the origin story is that there was a free tattoo artist at Kyle Richards Denim and diamonds party is just, like, the least fascinating way to get a tattoo.

Ben (17:13)

It totally is. Like, where'd you get that? Oh, it was, you know, Kyle's party. There was a ripoff horse there. Camille tried to fight with someone. You know, Kyle was pretty sad. Great, great story, Ronnie. Love the tramp stamp. So the people are arriving, you know, and Sutton's brought Porter. So I'm really hoping that Porter makes a splash, because Porter looks like she's been kidnapped. Every time she's with Sutton, she looks like she's always. Her eyes are always darting towards the door, like, can I run? Can I run? Like, is there a bracelet on your ankle? What is Sutton doing to you? Run, Porter. You look terrified.

Ronnie (17:49)

I know. And then Jennifer Chili is there, and she's like, I want to do a picture. Picture, picture, picture, picture, picture. Okay, I have to make myself look skinny. Okay, do it again. Do it again. People always say to me, why are you. What. What are you wearing to the party? And I always say, don't go by me, because I'm going to be egregiously overdressed. When you have so much money, you don't know what to do with it. You just buy the most expensive dress that you can find. Life is short. I have a fabulous jewelry. I have fabulous clothes. And if I want to wear my fabulous jewelry and clothes to the local Starbucks, so Be it.

Ben (18:28)

Your Jennifer Tilly is very good, by the way.

Ronnie (18:31)

I was really.

Ben (18:32)

I'm enjoying it. You can tell that you did something and it sounds great.

Ronnie (18:35)

Well, I feel like I wasn't. Well, I. Sometimes I have takes a moment like I was the past few weeks. I was like practicing it, but then when it came time for the podcast, I was like, hello, I'm Jennifer Tilly. I was like, what happened? But I finally locked it in and I have to say, like, your Jennifer Tilly is amazing. And you know, yours really sounds like her, though.

Ben (18:54)

I'm just making up my own stupid thing. No, you really do sound. You're. You're. Because her accent's crazy. Because it's like English but also old Hollywood, but also then high, then low. It's like crazy what she's got.

Ronnie (19:06)

She like rounds all her work. No, you're so excited, Ronnie. Don't be. Don't. You're.

Ben (19:11)

You're having fun. But yours you can tell you've been working on. It's very good. Okay.

Ronnie (19:15)

We worked on it last night, but it's great. Okay, so then like congratulating ourselves.

Ben (19:21)

Yeah, Just shot talking like, hey, guys. Hey. Let's go on coffee break.

Ronnie (19:24)

Ben.

Ben (19:25)

Oh my God, Ben, I was so proud of you today. Okay, so let's go.

Ronnie (19:31)

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Ben (22:24)

Okay, so then anyway, Eric and Dorit come. They try and convince us that they're this wacky, hilarious friend couple. I'm not really buying it and I feel really bad for Erica. I feel like Erica losing Rinna has been hard and she needs someone that she can have fun with, like Rinna because Dorit ain't it. I don't think Eric even really likes Dorit, so I'm hoping she finds somebody soon.

Ronnie (22:45)

Dorit shows up dressed like a park ranger, like a haute couture park ranger. I thought she was gonna give out tickets for entering Yellowstone. She I mean, I'm sure people will be like, what? How could you say that? That was lv. That was ysl. I don't care.

Ben (22:59)

I don't care. It was pretty cute. I loved the like kind of nod to chaps or whatever. It was doing. Yeah, it's pretty cute.

Ronnie (23:08)

It was cute. Like, it being cute is separate from the fact that she still looked to me like a park ranger.

Ben (23:14)

Are your kids smirking? In the first.

Ronnie (23:19)

Can stops forest fires, PK. So no more flaming.

Ben (23:25)

That was PK's wedding vows to me. Some more, Some more, Some more. Do you promise me some more? Do you promise me some more? Basically, I didn't even have to put a ring on his finger. I had to put an onion ring on his finger. Then he ate it off. I said, what kind of commitments is this? Children do not make forest fires. Like, wow.

Ronnie (23:43)

I said, pk, you cannot eat any more of those flaming hot Cheetos. We have a forest fire prevention program here.

Ben (23:54)

Okay, so Kyle and Dreet greet each other. Everybody's saying hi. Everybody comes there. Bo shows up, and it's like, oh, my God, I can't believe you, Travis, so much. That's crazy. She's like, yeah. Lael and I were just in Brazil to celebrate her 15th birthday. I've trademarked Brazil, everybody. Don't try to name your country that. Cause I'm way ahead of you.

Ronnie (24:15)

I've already sent a cease and desist of Donna Brazil. Too close.

Ben (24:19)

So the Brazil nuts is. Are now called peanut number two. I don't give a. But I own it. So good luck.

Ronnie (24:29)

And enjoy getting your newly branded down there waxes. So. So Bo says, every year, I take her. Take my daughter away to a destination in the world, wherever she wants to go, but she has to. First she presents an idea, and then we see her daughter literally standing, presenting, like, a thesis. She's, like, doing her oral presentation with, like, slides and a PowerPoint on where she's gonna go. And she's like, you have to speak up. Speak up. Okay, I'm not interested. Next slide, please.

Ben (25:04)

Next slide. This was so funny because her poor kids, like, I want to go all over the continents. I want to see the whole world. What world? Our world. Good enough. Next slide. I can't take it anymore. Can we get her some charisma, please?

Ronnie (25:21)

So, you know, Bose is admiring Dorit's outfit and everything, and, you know, that's all nice. And then there's. Then Sutton's talking to Bose, and Sun's like, oh, wow, look. Hey, I'm gonna go watch Garcelle get her tattoo. And Bose is like, oh, Garce, you're getting a tattoo. What are you getting? She's like, one, one, one, one. My favorite numbers. And if you say it backwards, it sort of sounds like, no, no, no, no.

Ben (25:48)

It's so funny. Those are her favorite numbers. I mean, I guess they're angel numbers. We find out later. But I was like, why are you putting every parent's security code to the alarm system in their house?

Ronnie (26:04)

I'm getting a tattoo of how I rate Kyle's performance in any movie I. 1, 1, 1.

Ben (26:15)

So they're talking about, like, how wacky it is to get tattoos. And Bose is like, I'm thinking about something to get. And Garcelle goes, I know what you should get, badass bitch. And she's like, you're off the voting committee. That was terrible. Can we get Lair in here? You give it a try, Kyle.

Ronnie (26:31)

I hope you don't mind. I brought a slide projector. We're going to do a presentation for my tattoo. Just give me a moment.

Ben (26:35)

You're making my kid almost look good at this.

Ronnie (26:39)

So Garcelle goes up. The tattoo artist is like, I'm thinking about doing one one, one, one. I just don't know where.

Ben (26:52)

So he's like, I'll help you. So another person employed by the housewife. Gay economy. Thank you, housewives. So they talk about this. And Sutton's like, wait a minute. One, one, one, one. That is the devil's numbers. And they're. And Kathy goes, oh, that's 666. Thank you, Kathy. So something's like, I was just.

Ronnie (27:12)

As we all know, I'm not getting 666. I'm getting 1, 1, 1.

Ben (27:20)

No. She's like, I'm not. I wouldn't get 666 anyway. I'd get no, no, no. Which is 999, which is 666. No in German. Sorry. Bungled that. Okay, so Garcelle and Sutton start gossiping, and Garcelle's like, well, I guess I've burned through my storyline. So did I mention the PK robbing his own house? Okay, so listen, I didn't tell you this, but I had a really. She does that thing where she raises one eyebrow like her Days of Our Lives. She's got a lot of Days of Our Lives effects. So she does her John Black. Racing God and rip John Black. But she raises her one eyebrow, and she's like. Which. It's not really raising as much as usual because I just got Botox. Can you tell? So she's like, wow, I had a really heartfelt talk with Kyle, and I felt like we were on the surface. So we finally went deeper, and I said to her, I would like to go deeper. And she said, okay. And I said, did you know that I cried when I saw that. I'm the executive producer on black girl missing, too. My mom would be so proud. And then Kyle said that PK is texting her and insinuated the PK wants to her. What do you think of that? I feel terrible for Kyle.

Ronnie (28:39)

And basically, Garcelle's like. She's like, you know, I would have a problem with that. My possible ex husband is texting my girlfriend. And son's like, oh, well, Kyle told me that Dorit knows that they talk. She's like, I mean, come on, son. Trying to have a scene here. Come on, let's get some. Let's get some momentum going on here. Can we get this feud going? Come on.

Ben (29:01)

Sutton would not do it. She was like, I'm not pissing off Kyle. Nope, nope, nope.

Ronnie (29:07)

But I wonder if Dorit knows the. The what that communication is like, because Kyle tells Garcelle. Told Garcelle, OPK texts me. But what Kyle did not tell Garcelle is that she also initiates. And I wonder if that's what Dorit like, I wonder if Dorit is aware of that. That Kyle is an initiator as well in the banter.

Ben (29:31)

Yeah, I don't know. I think that Kyle. Dorit probably wouldn't care. I don't really think. Well, I mean, I guess we'll find out. I doubt that Dorit really cares. It's just that Kyle is spreading it in a way. She's spreading it to Garcelle on purpose because she knows Garcelle is going to try and use it as ammunition against Dorit. And I think that's just so shady of Kyle, you know, and we talked about it last week when she first did it about, you know, Kyle probably mad and taking revenge that everybody loves Dorit. The Internet was saying that the, you know, Dorit and Mauricio were probably hooking up. So now she needs to make it look like PK is really attracted to her just to get back at Dorit. And I still do believe that, but I don't think Dorit would give a shit about any of this. I mean, of course PK's gonna text any pretty woman that he can, especially. And they're all friends, so I don't know. Did I answer your question? I forgot what we were talking. So. So Garcelle's like. And I've always known that PK and Dorit and Kyle and Mo would hang out. I know Kyle thinks PK is so funny, you know, but once that dynamic Shifted between Dorit and pique. That should stop. And that's what I have to say about that as I await my new film, Black Girl Missing, Part two. Wow.

Ronnie (30:44)

Wow.

Ben (30:45)

Ow. Ow.

Ronnie (30:46)

And coming as a tattoo.

Ben (30:48)

It's a tattoo I'm getting.

Ronnie (30:50)

Coming soon to a television near you. Black Girl Missing, Part three, Colon. That should.

Ben (30:56)

No.

Ronnie (30:57)

Oh, no, no, no, Comma, that should stop.

Ben (31:07)

Sorry. I'm bungling a lot of them today. What can I say? No, no, no. Okay, so then we go to Porter, and she has a sip of her drink. She's like, well, this taste of tequila just startled me. And that was what Porter's one line of the episode. And I was just like, run, Porter, poor thing. Go to a land where you're allowed to drink margaritas freely without mommy touching you.

Ronnie (31:33)

And then Kyle Richards ran up behind Porter and stuck her fangs into her and says, I'm just trying to suck out our youth. Give it to me, Porter. Give it to me.

Ben (31:44)

So Bose comes to sit with Erica and Dorit, and they start talking about Sutton, raising her voice to me, the sprinter Sutton. And Sutton and I have known each other for eight. For a few years now, and we've never settled into a friendship where it's consistent, you know? I mean, we like each other. And Erica's like, yeah, but it's good that she just slips out. Which Erica would know nothing about, you know? Thank God.

Ronnie (32:11)

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Suppose is like, well, I have a thought. Do we need to call a tribal council? Because I have a portable display for some PowerPoint. Or if it makes you more comfortable, we can merely use Keynote anyway, bring everyone together. Do we need that? I worked in corporate America. We can do this Netflix hashtag, hashtag behind it. Because that's what I do. I do. I do my hashtag after the word.

Ben (32:36)

I created post hashtags.

Ronnie (32:38)

I'm a disruptor in the hashtag industry.

Ben (32:43)

So now they're talking about Jennifer's jewelry, and she's like, oh, yeah, it's so good, Chanel. I love the diamonds. And so it's like, okay, y'all guys, I have to make a speech. A ding, a ding, a ding. And everyone's like, oh, God, something's like, all of a sudden, you know? And both in the after show was like, what is this lady like? Like, house mother of a. Of a sorority? Like, what is she trying to do? And that is what she's doing. She's trying to control everybody through, like, mama. Mama ing them. Then, girl, you are nobody's mother. You are so well I was going to say you're probably like a lot of Southern mothers. You're neurotic, you're pill popping, and you're drunk.

Ronnie (33:24)

But then I'm right on tv that.

Ben (33:26)

Mothered me, and it's I'm happy, so.

Ronnie (33:30)

And we're all happy, too. Trust us. So son's the like. I feel like we are all talking behind each other's backs. I don't know where I got that sense. Probably when I was hanging out with Jennifer, Chili and Kyle talking about dorit at her house. Anyway, I just really want us to feel free and open and honest with one another. Well, I appreciate the sisterhood moment, I really do, and I think it's sincere. But the one thing I would like to say to you is. Where the is my pizza?

Ben (34:01)

I just been sitting here for four years waiting for pizza Chucky sleaze is what I call him. Everybody else gets a pizza besides me. You, Chucky.

Ronnie (34:10)

Avoid the noise. I'd get down on my knees and give the Nord the best night of his life if it meant I could get a slice of pizza already.

Ben (34:18)

She goes, well, if we're gonna be open and honest, which, by the way, can we just retire that phrase? It's the dumbest phrase of all time. Thanks, Kyle. Kyle invented that phrase.

Ronnie (34:28)

Hashtag disruptor. Hashtag.

Ben (34:34)

As long as I'm being open and honest, you're volatile, Sutton. And Jennifer Tilly goes, I don't think she meant that as a compliment. I think she meant it as a put down. But I do think it's a good description of Saturn And Erica. Erica's slowly figuring things out as her sentence goes along. She just keeps discovering new things about what's happening in the world.

Ronnie (35:01)

Yeah, you know, it's bad when your friend who has a doll drinking wine in her living room is calling you volatile. But Erica, to her credit, Erica says it very calmly and in the tone of open and honest, like, I think you're volatile. And to prove that she's not volatile, Sudden goes, no, I'm truthful, and I'm just calling something I'm not. Way to go.

Ben (35:27)

She does get that she does turn into angry drunk mom in the car where she's like, I'm pulling this car over. She's like taking the wooden spoon out of her glove compartment and just swinging it in the back seat like my mom used to, trying to hit anything that she could.

Ronnie (35:39)

I'm not volatile.

Ben (35:41)

The kids are crawling over the way back to get the very back of the fucking station wagon to stay away from that wooden spin.

Ronnie (35:49)

And then Dorit's like, please don't raise your voice, Sutton. I am not in a place where I appreciate that and had a strong reaction when you did it last time, so please enter that. I just would like to finish by saying g. And so, Eric, do you.

Ben (36:02)

Know how many times that I have not appreciated where people yell at me in the scrip? And her, she's doing that thing where her eyes turn into slits and they're kind of crossed. I mean, she gets so angry so fast.

Ronnie (36:14)

She's like, everyone, I want us all to be open and honest, but if you have anything open and honest to say to me, just keep it in your pie hole, because I don't want to hear it.

Ben (36:21)

Yeah. So Erica's like, well, have you thought about what you say to get them to yell? And she goes, oh, wait, hang on, hang on. Then I will talk in this soft.

Ronnie (36:31)

Voice for you as this Annabelle turns to Jennifer Chilli and goes, mommy, I'm scared.

Ben (36:42)

Just talk normal. Just don't raise your voice. I'll talk normal for you.

Ronnie (36:48)

Please, Sutton, talk normal. Just normal voice with a slightly British accent that can't be explained.

Ben (36:54)

Come on, how's this for normal? Well, if you can't be open and honest, you can't lead the charge, can ya? Treat? Sometimes you don't listen. And Erica's like, oh, God, but that's been 10 years. She's not gonna start listening now. I love how Erica just completely jumps off the dorit boat immediately.

Ronnie (37:16)

She's never gonna listen. And Garcelle's like, well, we've been trying to get Dorit to shut up for years. I mean, talk about leading the charge. That's like dorit. Dorit with a credit card. No, thank you.

Ben (37:27)

I was laughing so hard at this scene. This was so fucking funny. And so Kyle's like, okay, well, what's the point that you want to make then, Sutton? What's weighing on you? My point is that we need to be honest. And Erica goes, lead by example. I'm trying to. No, you're not. Yeah, you're not. You're talk. Walking to talk, but you're not walking to walk. Talkie, talkie, walkie, walkie. Do you talk? Do you walk? Do you walk? Talk to talk. Walks.

Ronnie (37:50)

What is this? I am trying to reach like, she is so possessed when she draws her, like, calm voice. I am calm. Sutton's track. Okay, here we go. I am going to speak in harsh tones to help you. No, Andre goes, this is not genuine. Not this Is. Says the lady with a pan European accent. This is not kind and this is not real. And only you can prevent forest fires, don't forget. And son's like, it's as real as it gets. It's like, is it. Is it really real? Is this the real real? And Erica's like, oh, baby, no, no, no, no, no. I'll tell you what's real. Eating Taco Bell at 2 in the morning because you just tried to jerk off to the memory of the time you saw AR Hammer once naked. That's real.

Ben (38:44)

Something through a surprise pajama party. Pizza party. Sudden threw a surprise drama party. Pizza party.

Ronnie (38:55)

It's like Beetlejuice. You say the phrase three times and Erica, literally, Erica's head turns her. She turns her. She turns her house into Beetlejuice. It's Beetlejuice themed.

Ben (39:04)

Worms start coming out of her ears by.

Ronnie (39:09)

Oh, can't even hit that note.

Ben (39:14)

Okay, so let me concentrate because I'm just giggling at this stupid scene. Okay? So then. No shit.

Ronnie (39:21)

What? Huh?

Ben (39:22)

So then she's like, listen, you're angry and you're not angry with me. You're angry at your own life. And everyone goes, ooh. And Post goes, oh, no. And so she's. She goes dirty goes, ladies and gentlemen, meet Sutton Struck the woman. Sutton. I'm sorry. Sutton struck the woman who loves to support women at the lowest.

Ronnie (39:47)

Don't take it out on me. Don't take it out on me. I am not in a good place. I. I agree. I'm currently in an awful party wearing denim, dressed like a park ranger, while Kyle here is dressed like. She's in the 1992 Victoria's Secret catalog in the non lingerie section.

Ben (40:03)

And Kyle's like, sutton, I mean, tilo, low blow blow. I mean, I completely agree with you, but I wouldn't say it.

Ronnie (40:13)

Okay? Don't say that. You're gonna regret. I don't know, things like, I don't need a pizza party.

Ben (40:20)

And so it's like, I'm not. No. Well, you've been wanting to say that, haven't you? Listen, you're not wrong. And she goes, I know I'm not wrong, but you actually came to me saying, I really am wrong. Wrong. Emma. She goes, you know what? Really, Really.

Ronnie (40:37)

I am being honest and open and truthful and transparent. How about that fur remix? My life sucks right now. That. Now the read's at that point where she likes. She likes to punctuate her senses by like. She's like. She's like pecking it in with her. With her head. She goes, my life sucks right now, and I am not in a good place at all. And I have zero tolerance for more. And it's as simple as that. How is that for transplant? And I. Honest and open.

Ben (41:01)

Great. Well, what else do you want from me? And sounds like dorit. I'm not angry with you. I raised my voice in the sprint because you were not listening and understanding the bigger part. I was like, is it. Is it sprinkling on a tin roof? Why are you talking like that?

Ronnie (41:23)

It was not about you. It's about. About all of us being able to talk and understand that when we're having a moment, that we can still be friends afterwards. Especially. Especially if you don't say, I'm basel.

Ben (41:36)

Andrea's like, well, I understand that. And Bose goes, you know what? She goes, you know what? Can I say something here? We also can't weaponize in moments of vulnerability. Hashtag. And Sun's like, wait, who's weaponizing you? She goes, when? She goes, now, when you said, I'm not angry with you, you're not angry with your life, that's weaponizing. She and Erica's like, y. Yeah, that was low. Which I don't really think it was.

Ronnie (41:59)

It was not weaponizing.

Ben (42:01)

That was Sutton being immature. Yeah, it was Sutton trying to turn the situation around, but I don't think she said anything particularly mean. And Bose was like, you know, you take a horrible situation. I mean, this is happening in somebody's life, and you turn it back around, you sharpen it, and you stick them with it. Ooh, that's war. Absolutely out of bounds.

Ronnie (42:23)

Hashtag. Actually, it's literally the most inbounds it could be. This is Real Housewives, so.

Ben (42:30)

But it is what? Yeah, it's. It is Housewives, but it is what Sutton generally does. She. She acts like she's there for you, and then she, like, takes. She does take it and twist it and then stabs you with it. She's like, so you think your divorce isn't going to be bad? Well, it is, let me tell you. But I'm just here to help you. You know, it's like. I know she can't really help. It's kind of like a Vanderpump thing. And I'm not saying she's like vanderpump, but this quality is similar where it's like. Like she needs the broken bird. Like, if you're not broken, she can't help you. So if you're not broken, she'll help break You.

Ronnie (43:04)

So Camille's like, hi, I'm sorry. I'm gonna butt into. But I'm gonna butt in right now. But years ago, my house burned down. Oh, my house. I lost my assistant of many, many years. And I didn't get a lot of compassion or empathy from some people, especially dorit. And Dorit's like, like, honey, you are total C word from to me. You are fitness to me.

Ben (43:27)

Oh, damn.

Ronnie (43:30)

Oh, my God. Where did that come from?

Ben (43:35)

Right out the gate. Dorit. And Satin's like, dorit. Must we use the c word? Even though you're a being one, let's not use it. Well, you were a total gut fitness to me. You know why? And Kamia goes, you called me a cut fitness. No, I called you a stupid cut fitness, not a wow, wow. No wow, wow. No wow. No wow, wow. Slap her on the back of the back.

Ronnie (44:07)

1, 1, 1, 1.

Ben (44:10)

We see a flashback to that dinner. Where do we goes, come here. You're a stupid cut fitness.

Ronnie (44:20)

She's like, I said, you're sitting back to present. She goes, I said, you're a stupid cut fitness. As a joke. You knew it. You always knew it. No, not at the time. You didn't know it. No, I didn't really know at the time. She's like, no, you used. No, you just used it because you needed a moment. You always need a moment.

Ben (44:38)

And Dorit tells us, once upon a time, I regretted calling Camille a cut fitness. Now I feel like Camille is a stupid cat fitness. So she's like, you just needed a moment. You always need a moment. You're just digging, digging. Bully, bully.

Ronnie (44:57)

Little jabs, little jabs, little jab, jabs, jabs, Moment. Jab jabs, moment, moment. G.G.

Ben (45:06)

P. You know, the person that takes selfies all the time, they have to wait for hours for you to show up to events because you're always taking photo shoots.

Ronnie (45:17)

Good one, Kyle. I'm glad. Kyle, by the way, Camille, when you come tonight, can you please say this to Dorit? Thanks so much.

Ben (45:23)

Yeah, I know you can tell everything that Kyle's been bitching about. So Sutton just nods, well. And Dorit goes, and, well, but you put them on hold. Who's them? Your friends. You put your friends on hold. What are you even doing here? Do you need a moment? Are you out of moments? Have your moments left? Ya. Welcome. Can somebody bring Camille a moment?

Ronnie (45:46)

You're still condescending. And that's my point. You've always been condescending to me since day one. I did feel bad for you. The first day I met you, when you came to my house, when it was still standing with her. And then she points to Erica, and Erica's like, my name is Erica. Her. She couldn't remember Erica's name. Erica. The name is Erica Pizza party girl.

Ben (46:10)

The one that everybody wants to get a pizza with her name on it.

Ronnie (46:14)

And Erica just looks at the cat. Well, in her confessional, she looks at us and just goes, C Fitness.

Ben (46:24)

Well, you're a different person now, Dorit. I don't know what happened to you, but you're changed. Well, you just said that she's always been the same condescending person, and now she's different. I mean, Camille's not doing great at this. And Erica's like, camille, you know what she's going through? And she's like, well, I feel bad because I went through a lot, too. Does anyone want to take this moment to feel bad for what I went through when I lost my house and my assistant? Yeah.

Ronnie (46:48)

And Erica's like, well, we've all gone through a lot. Which is funny, because earlier this episode, Erica's like, now, why doesn't anyone tell. Why isn't it apologize for what they put me through? And now she's saying to someone else, well, we've all gone through a lot. So it's funny. Funny how she wants to. She. She wants to basically do what Camille's doing right now, but then she's totally dismissing Camille at the same time.

Ben (47:07)

Yeah. So.

Ronnie (47:10)

Yeah.

Ben (47:11)

So then Camille's like, no one feels bad for me. And I went. I went to Helen, Back hell and back. Garcelle's like, we've all gone through a lot. Not a competition, but hell. Hell and back, though. And Sutton's like, well, really? And I meant what I said. I will always be there for you when you need it. Thank you. Not you. Why are you here? Wait a minute, Dorit. But listen, you know, when you need me, I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be here. Okay? Okay. You might as well get Pokey on my side, because I'm going to be here. And Dorit said I would walk 500.

Ronnie (47:44)

Miles to be there for you. Yes.

Ben (47:46)

Was that Gumby's friend? Was it Pokey? What was Gumby's friend's name? Pokey.

Ronnie (47:50)

Gumby and Pokey. And there was another one, but the other one lacked charisma.

Ben (47:53)

Yeah. So then, by the way, nevermind. I was going to get dark. I'm not going to. Okay, so then Tarit was Like, well, I would love to believe that, Sutton. My actions are going to speak louder than words.

Ronnie (48:09)

I think I speak for the audience when we say what. What was going to get dark from Gumby and Pokey? Like Gumby's best friend's pokey, Right? Yeah. You know what? I'm going to get dark. Never mind.

Ben (48:28)

It was taking me down a spiral of other things, you know? You know, because you know how my brain works. It's like one big pinup board with. With yarn running from one pin to another. So it went from Gumby and Pokey really quick to other things. Other dark, dark things.

Ronnie (48:42)

So I trust it.

Ben (48:43)

Durie. It's like, I don't think Su gives one fuck about me, what I'm going through. I think something cares more about looking sincere and empathy talk more than being sincere and empathy. You say empathetic, I say empathetu. Who's correct?

Ronnie (49:01)

Tomato to me, guys. Everyone can work on their actions and their delivery and not holding on to a garage. I was like, I know. Meanwhile, you know, cut to Kyle Richards not talking to her sister for three years. No.

Ben (49:20)

Right, Kyle.

Ronnie (49:21)

It's a wonderful party. Thank you for inviting us all.

Ben (49:27)

Kyle, not holding a grudge. You're literally calling your party Denim and diamonds and Apple Mini Pony. I can't. This show is so goofy and so funny. I think it was very much back in its top form last night. I was cracking most of this episode. Really, really funny. And it's really not people trying to be funny. It's just people being. Just ridiculous. People being themselves. I mean, the whole Erica being upset that about the pizza party killed me.

Ronnie (49:57)

Oh, my goodness. That was. That was amazing. Who knew that she had such a craving for pizza? But I guess she's human.

Ben (50:04)

Yeah, well, you just. It's the pizza party, you know. All right, everybody go have some pizza. We sure love you guys. We'll be back tomorrow, probably, or later today, who knows, With Real Housewives of New York. Then we've got Salt Lake City. We've got Southern Charm. We've got tickets available for the mounting Hysteria tour. TV Texas Dates and Charlotte Dates links coming very soon. And we will talk to you guys next time. We'll see you later. Bye.

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