#2674 Southern Charm S10E04 Part One: The Isolation of a Pillow King

Summary

Watch What Crappens: Episode #2674 Southern Charm S10E04 Part One: The Isolation of a Pillow King

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: January 3, 2025
Podcast: Watch What Crappens on Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2674 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest installment of Bravo's Southern Charm—Season 10, Episode 4, titled "The Isolation of a Pillow King." Released on January 3, 2025, this episode marks a pivotal moment in the series, focusing on the unraveling relationships and introducing new dynamics within the cast.

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie kick off the discussion by highlighting the season's overarching theme—a reset within the show's structure. Despite the absence of entirely new cast members, the introduction of Sally and other fresh faces injects new energy into the series.

Ronnie (06:33): "Southern Charm continues to feel like a reset season, even though there aren't new people. It's weird in a way. They're doing it differently this year, and I'm not complaining yet."

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Cast Analysis

Sally's Journey:
Sally emerges as a standout character, balancing her demanding career with personal challenges. Her role as a spine surgeon introduces a professional dimension rarely explored in previous seasons.

Ben (12:02): "It's very surprising to know that she actually has not just a job, but a profession, which I don't think we've seen anyone have on this show ever."

Craig and Paige's Relationship:
The crux of this episode revolves around the strained relationship between Craig and Paige. Their differing visions for the future—Craig's desire to freeze his sperm versus Paige's career ambitions—serve as the catalyst for impending drama.

Ronnie (15:08): "I'm rooting for Sally. I like Sally, she's beautiful. I like her personality."

Gaston’s Introduction:
Gaston, a new addition, quickly becomes a point of contention. His presence seems to destabilize the existing dynamics, leading to heightened tensions among the cast.

Ben (18:17): "Girl, I see your path, and it's not a pretty one."

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Key Plot Points

1. Doggy Partner Party:
   The episode features a doggy partner party, a social event that sets the stage for introducing new characters and existing tensions.

   Ben (08:44): "It was everything and everything. So it was everything."

2. Show and Tell Day:
   A recurring segment where cast members showcase aspects of their lives, often leading to unexpected revelations.

   Ben (09:22): "Show and Tell day on Southern Charm. Remember show and Tell."

3. Sally’s Professional Life:
   Sally’s dedication to her career is juxtaposed against her personal life, highlighting the challenges of maintaining balance.

   Ben (11:54): "It wasn't too long ago... he's been lying about his career."

4. Breakup Rumors:
   The hosts delve into the swirling rumors of Craig and Paige’s breakup, examining the evidence and speculating on future developments.

   Ronnie (29:42): "I think they sold out of that stuff... I bought the X's blanket."

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Moments of Drama and Humor

Craig’s Faux Pas:
A comedic yet telling moment occurs when Craig attempts to discuss freezing his sperm, revealing his communication mishaps.

Ronnie (37:05): "Don't blow your load too soon, man. No pun intended, Craig."

Leva's Confrontation:
Leva confronts Craig in a dramatic power play, showcasing the toxic dynamics that often plague the cast.

Ben (53:34): "He was on such a power play that episode... so mean."

Sperm Collection Scene:
A humorous take on Craig’s attempts at responsibility spirals into mockery, emphasizing his incompatibility with serious commitments.

Ben (37:22): "Should I put this on the gram? No, Craig. Not our brand."

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Hosts’ Opinions and Insights

Ben and Ronnie provide candid assessments of the show's developments, often intertwining humor with critical analysis.

• On the Show’s Consistency:

  Ben (07:44): "Southern Charm has one of the most sprawling casts in all of Bravo... It's a reliable show. It just works."

• On Sally’s Role:

  Ben (12:02): "She is getting up so early. I'm just so glad that she thought ahead."

• On Craig’s Character:

  Ben (35:24): "He can be extremely likable, but he has some really shitty sides... he's shady, but charming."

• On the Potential Breakup:

  Ronnie (33:10): "No sensible person is like, okay, she doesn't want kids... Obviously, it's not going to work out, duh."

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Conclusion

As Ben and Ronnie navigate through the intricate twists of Season 10, Episode 4 of Southern Charm, they offer listeners a blend of humor, critical insight, and entertaining commentary. The episode sets the stage for significant developments in the upcoming Part Two, promising more drama, relationship turmoil, and character evolution.

Ben (54:39): "It's been a... couple years, and we started out after Covid, and we were digging a lot... it's like my board game storage. It's My podcasting space."

Stay tuned for Part Two, where Ben and Ronnie continue their in-depth analysis of Southern Charm, unraveling the complexities of its cast and their interwoven lives.

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Transcript

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast for all the crap that we just love to talk about on. Yo Bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben Uni. Hello, little Ben. How are you?

[Ben]

Hi. How are you? What's going on?

[Ronnie]

Happy.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So excited. I cannot wait for the Traders. I feel like I've been waiting months for this. Months. They announced the cast back over the summer and I'm like, why did they announce it so far ahead of time? I can't deal with it. But it is finally happening and I am thrilled. Also, Southern hospitality is back and we'll have a recap of that next week.

[Ronnie]

Monday. Yeah, starting Monday. All right, everybody, let's jump into. This episode of Southern Charm continues to feel like a reset season, even though there's not new people. I mean, there are some new people and we do get a glimpse of some newbies this year. It does still feel like a total reset, I think, just because they're really leaning into. Let's just not worry about people getting together in groups and just have them hanging out at home. And it's weird in a way. They're doing it differently this year and I'm not complaining yet. I. I'm enjoying it. What do you think?

[Ben]

I mean, Southern Charm has one of the most sprawling casts in all of Bravo, and they are. It's interesting this season because we kind of have drama happening with the old guard, but we also are meeting new people and I think they're doing a great job of kind of like layering the new people, but we're not, like, centering them just yet. We're not, like, forced to suddenly care about people we've only just met. We're just going to kind of like get to know them a little bit, feel them out, and then we're going to see who gets to stay and who doesn't make it to next season. But I think it's. I think it's really, really good. I was thinking to myself, I was like, I love this show. This show is such A reliable show. It just works. Even in kind of its crappy seasons, it was still good because it just. It's never been an amazing show. Sometimes there have been some seasons that have been more riveting than others, but because it never shown as bright as, like, a Vanderpump Rules Season 1, 2, 6, or Scandal season, it never had a season that then was like, oh, this is a shitty, shitty season. Because the last season was so amazing. Like, maybe once that happened, it just is like a steady show that just works. And I'm just really enjoying it this season.

[Ronnie]

Well, good. Right on. Okay, well. Previously on Southern Charm. JD had the face of a hatchet, a beaver, a munchkin, and a walrus all rolled into one and thought that I would let him stick his peepee in my baby. No way, Jose. I'll tell you that much.

[Ben]

Have you seen my husband?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, have you seen him? Have I seen him? Well, it's been about six weeks, but he's got a job somewhere else. I'm glad today that she actually told her husband, wow, you got a sister wife somewhere? Because I'm convinced this man has one. I'm convinced he's got a family. And everyone keeps emailing us about how normal it is. And, you know, it's totally California, he's not going to quit his job. There's a good pension coming and all that. I get all of that, you guys. I still think he's got a secret life somewhere. I can't help it.

[Ben]

It's fair. It's fair. So, yeah, so basically, we. There was this dog, this doggy Parton party and everything and everything. And so.

[Ronnie]

Everything and everything.

[Ben]

So, yeah, guys, that's like a doggy partner party. And, like, everything and everything.

[Ronnie]

Everything and everything. It was everything and everything. So it was everything.

[Ben]

Everyone was there except for JT and.

[Ronnie]

Then we met Sally in her puppy boots. And, you know, I don't trust a person who brings a fresh puppy onto the screen because I feel like it's just manipulation when people bring a puppy. But here she is, and then Shep brings a girl to the party. You know, she brings. We got Sally bringing a puppy, and then a new girl bringing an old, you know, dog about to be put down.

[Ben]

Show and Tell. Show and Tell day on Southern Charm. Remember show and Tell.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, of course. I still do it.

[Ben]

I feel like. I feel like that's half this podcast sometimes for me. I'm like, guys, look at this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I still do it all the time, and I love the new addition to the music in this one, it was like. And then Shett brings a girl to the party and we just hears. We just hear. And she'll spill the tea.

[Ben]

No song has been remixed more than the Southern Charm theme song. Like, it is out of control.

[Ronnie]

I think it's just a many lyrics to it. I don't remember that.

[Ben]

And she'll add, I swear they're adding a little lyrics that were never part of it. Just, I mean, they always have the don't you know, don't you know? I mean, by the way, Trixie Monocle can just relax. Okay? We know, we know by now. Don't you know?

[Ronnie]

Don't you know?

[Ben]

We know, we know. We've been watching for 10 years.

[Ronnie]

And the ladies go loco. That's my favorite one.

[Ben]

So this time, this episode, it's dark, classical music is playing and people are sleeping. Like, we see Madison's house, Madison sleeping. She's like sleeping. And we hear her in her sleep saying, have I seen my husband?

[Ronnie]

Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, corn. And then we go to Sally's house. And Sally's up at 4.30am, fresh as the days, looking around in the dark, getting boots out of her little crate to go pee, pee. And she's like, my day starts at 4:30. I let the dog out, I do yoga, quick shower, I put my scrubs on. And then at 6:45, I go to the hospital. And then I'm surgery till 1. I feel like I'm in Grey's Anatomy. First of all, let me just confess to assuming Sally was an idiot, not because she's blonde and gorgeous. It's not necessarily internalized misogyny or whatever it is. Although I'm aware that that could be a thing that could be an issue. It is that she banged both Joey Marbles and Gaston in one episode of Southern Hospitality and then showed up on this show linked to Gaston. Still, it's hard to. It's hard. It's hard. When you start out, you can't get response. You can't get respectability by showing up on Southern Hospitality. You know what I mean? I'm sorry.

[Ben]

It's a tough path. It's tough path.

[Ronnie]

I wouldn't let you do my robot. My robot surgery because you've been on Southern Hospitality. Get your robot hands away from me, robot surgery lady.

[Ben]

It was very. It is very surprising to know that she actually has not just a job, but a profession, which I don't think we've seen anyone have on this show ever. And she is getting up early. I Mean, she wakes up so early. I'm glad.

[Ronnie]

Is that an actual point? Because I think that is a point that you just made. I laughed it off, but have we ever seen anybody with a career on this show? Let me think.

[Ben]

Well, I mean Madison is. Madison does cut hair and so did Chelsea, but no one's had like, like a, a, a, a profession that has required maybe an advanced degree or something like that. I'm not, I'm not trying to sound elitist.

[Ronnie]

Like a white collar. Like a white collar, yeah. I'm not accusing you of anything. I was just like, wow, that made.

[Ben]

Me think about it. Or not like, yeah, like, as opposed to a trade, I guess you could say. I don't know. I'm not trying to be dismissive of people who, who do hair.

[Ronnie]

Whatever. Do it. Hey, here's what I want you in 2025 from you in 2025. Dismiss. More fuckers. All right then.

[Ben]

Okay, you know what? We haven't seen anyone with a fucking really cool job on this show. How about that?

[Ronnie]

How about that?

[Ben]

We haven't.

[Ronnie]

I want more pride in your bitchery. That's what I request.

[Ben]

We all know what we're talking about here. All right, Everyone. Everyone. No, we haven't seen anyone with a fucking big deal career on this show ever. Okay? Yeah, no one. Not a single person. We've seen people who've had big deal careers and then cocaine their way out of them, but we haven't seen people who've actually are maintaining them at the moment.

[Ronnie]

So she's, but by the way, she.

[Ben]

Has, she has such a busy, I mean she has a busy. Waking up at 4:30 in the morning. I just have to say, I'm just so glad that she thought ahead and went to sleep with her mic pack on. Because just one less thing you have to focus on in the morning when you wake up.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so she tells us. Her whole thing, frankly sounds boring, but real pretty. And she's been trying really hard to get on the show apparently. So let's see what she's got. And obviously has the best job ever on the show. So you know what? In this episode, I was like, I'm rooting for Sally. I like Sally, she's beautiful. I like her personality. I feel bad for her now for having to start on Southern hospitality because that's a shame. But you know, we all got to start somewhere. So, so far, rooting for her. So she's talking to Daniel, her co worker on the phone. She's like, yeah, you know, I gotta go here because Dr. What's his buns is in surgery, so I gotta cover him for that thing. And then she tells us. Yeah. People are always shocked when I tell them I control a robot and spine surgery. Excuse me, Do I look like I do that? I'm sorry, Do I not look like I do that? I know. Bombshells. Not usually controlling robot. Now here's my question. Controlling a robot, what does that mean? You tell the robot. What is it like, me asking for Siri for directions? Because I'm not exactly like a tour guide when I tell Siri to take me to the home goods. You know what I mean? Or, like, what does it require? I want to know. It's probably hard.

[Ben]

I don't know. But don't act like you're the first one to come on this show controlling a robot. Randy, get in here with the martini. He's on wheels now.

[Ronnie]

Hey, could you do something about Randy Spine? He's a little bit shaky with martinis.

[Ben]

So she says. Sally says that when she was 15, she thought she would have three kids by now. And she grew up in Greenville, South Carolina, very southern. Did the whole cotillion thing, but it just wasn't for me. I wanted to be a boss. I make close to $400,000 when all is said and done and I feel like I finally become a strong, independent Southern woman. I don't need a guy to have a house or have a kid. I can do all that on my own.

[Ronnie]

I'm going to do it with. With the robot who does spine surgery.

[Ben]

I've got a robot in there. Yeah. She's like, my boyfriend is Wally. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Good for her. So I like her. I respect her, and I don't think we see any more of her. I think that was it. So bye, Sally. Good. Good to meet you. They're like, hey. They're like, sally, would you be on the show? We want video of you getting ready for work. And then that's it.

[Ben]

Wait a second. A lady who is not dependent on some awful man's approval on Southern charm. Get her off the screens.

[Ronnie]

I know. Did she bang Whitney to get on this show? I don't think she's even allowed here. Get her off the set, people. Get her off the set.

[Ben]

So then we go to someone else who formerly was in the medical industry and then went into, I think, what was it? The seltzer industry.

[Ronnie]

What's that restaurant called? Boots and republics and bubbles.

[Ben]

Oh, Bubbles and Republic, you're right. But it was bourbon and bubbles over at the. At the Spin off restaurant. That's not as cool.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and it's Taylor. It's Taylor. Here she is, guys. Taylor with that charismatic personality. She's like, hey, Penelope, you're looking good today.

[Ben]

Penelope is like, can I go to Craig's house? So then Rod comes over and he's like, hi, personality. Off here today, huh? So a lot of these.

[Ronnie]

A lot of really fencing with noodles, these two.

[Ben]

I love a high energy scene. So she's like, I don't know who has ever used the door knock, but you just did. He goes, well, you know how formal I am.

[Ronnie]

It's your first time here, isn't it? I wanted it to be a beachy theme. And he's like, am I gonna see shells in the bathroom though? Because one thing I'm so sick of is rope. I'm so sick of rope, I'm gonna hang myself with it next time.

[Ben]

Haha. I'm a funny gay, huh? Anyway, Gaston wants me to move in with him. And I'm like, oh, thank God, please do it, because I'm sure he does not have rope decor, you stupid. What I mean, sure sounds great. Pump the brakes on that one. You're already getting the milk.

[Ronnie]

What was that? What kind of thing is that to say, by the way? Like, what's what? What the hell? You're already getting the milk for free. What the hell? Who says that? And she's like, well, I'd rather be engaged rather than just live together. And then every three months be like, is it gonna work out? Is it gonna work out? Is it gonna work out?

[Ben]

You'll be asking the same question if you're engaged. I hate to break it to you. Well, how long have they been dating? Like nine months or something like that. And this guy already has like assorted past Rodrigo on this one. Listen to your local gay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you marry a man like this, we don't even know Gaston yet. But I can already guarantee he sucks. I can just guarantee you he sucks. And because he's on this show and 9 out of 10 men do suck on this show. So that's how I know. That's the evidence I'm going on, okay? History I'm using. History is my evidence. So let's just assume Gaston sucks. Everybody who gets engaged to sucky men, guess what you're asking yourself every day. Is this going to work during the engagement? And then guess what happens when you get married? You start questioning that. Is this gonna work every day? Is this the day I find out he's been cheating on me this whole Time. How much do I forgive in this relationship? Girl, I see your path, and it's not a pretty one.

[Ben]

No. No, it's not. So they sit down for some snacks and champagne, and Taylor's talking about how Penelope's pooped from the party. And she's also says that Shep called her. And we hit. We hear Shep's voicemail, which is like, hey, Gar, we should get a cup of coffee or ice cream or, I don't know, sit somewhere and watch the Vietnam War. It's a wonderful documentary.

[Ronnie]

Why wouldn't you ever watch that with.

[Ben]

Me when we were together? Come on now, Taylor. Gosh.

[Ronnie]

Yep. Shep up to his old, old self. Shep, who just said that a couple weeks ago, that he keeps having a recurring dream about Taylor where she's a bird who just keeps flying to a window without him there to control her.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then she's like. She's like, so your new girlfriend doesn't care? And she's like, well, I haven't run it by her or anything. Okay, well, that's great. That's great.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Doesn't sound. Doesn't sound healthy, but.

[Ronnie]

So Rod's like, so you met the new girl? And she's like, yeah, she's great. But one thing she said to me, though, and then we see a clip of the newbie going like, well, I've heard mostly good things about you and Rod's there. Like, well, do you think having Gaston there would be helpful for you? Because, you know, you were at that party all alone. Where's Gaston? Where's Gaston? Gaston, Gaston it's the Beauty and the Beast sequel where suddenly everyone in town cares about Gaston instead of Belle. Gaston, Gaston, Gaston, Gaston Gaston's just walking down the street reading a Popular Mechanics.

[Ben]

I have to say, I respect Rodrigo for pulling this messy move of trying to get Rodrigo. I mean, getting Gaston into the mix. That way, he can cause fights. Taylor's like, no. Do you want to be mad at him a little bit because he wasn't there to have your back? No.

[Ronnie]

No.

[Ben]

Well, okay, how about this? Sally and Shepard being really negative about Gaston.

[Ronnie]

And then it cuts. Sally just going, I hate Gaston.

[Ben]

Cut back.

[Ronnie]

And Taylor goes, but nobody else knows him. Nobody else has gotten to be like, I'm going to get to know this human being. Yeah, but you don't bring him to parties, so how are they supposed to get to know him?

[Ben]

Yeah, and that's exactly what Rodrigo says. He says, well, he needs to come around so we can meet him, and he's like, I feel like that's an important thing that they're not doing. I think they need to own their relationship and, like, walk forward in that so we can start getting into arguments about it. Come on, now we're doing a TV show.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And then it just cuts to Taylor giving her best soap opera look well in her head, but really it just comes off like this. Taylor is like that last drip of water coming out of the kitchen sink after you turned it off. And you're just like, are you gonna stop dripping? And then it's like, blip, bloop.

[Ben]

Last drip energy.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, the final drip energy. It just takes forever. And so you assume it's interesting, but then at the end of the day, it just drips.

[Ben]

You're like, this drip is holding out, so it must have something to say.

[Ronnie]

It's gonna be.

[Ben]

It probably has something on its mind.

[Ronnie]

This is gonna be the first thing.

[Ben]

That probably happened in the f. It's kind of. It's. It's late for a reason. It's like, so drip. What? What happened in there?

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

And Austin's like, you know where that's popular? You know where that's popular in Australia?

[Ben]

The worst word you ever want Austin to say to you, I mean, that is just like three loogies just coming right at you.

[Ronnie]

And chef goes, yeah, they've got the matcha tea. And he's like, oh, I don't think it's. It's. I don't know. He goes, it's because they've got the matcha tea. And Austin's like, I don't think it's because of the matcha. So he's like, we'll do the matcha. So Craig comes and he's like, wow, I can't believe that you guys didn't come over yesterday because the water was like 83 degrees, you know, like, it was amazing pool weather.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, we need to get into better shape. Like Australians who drink matcha. So then we see them all. They're all like. Like, they could another gym session with them, because that's the way they communicate is at the gym. They're like, yeah, nice. Nice set, bro. Thanks, man. Like, that's their version of saying, like, I miss you. So then Shep is like. He's like, craig, oh, I'm sorry. You. You Missed Sienna at the party. Gosh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

I was flying back from Cali, and I was wondering if she went to the party. You know, I was in Cali doing business. Business. I think of business a lot because, you know, paperwork and business. Staplers. So is she still here?

[Ben]

Gosh, no. She wants me to come to the Bahamas, though. Gosh, I'm grown up now.

[Ronnie]

She does not want you to come to the Bahamas, by the way. You're like, maybe I'll come to the Bahamas. And she's like.

[Ben]

No, I have my real boyfriend there. So then Craig's like, would you have kids? Well, there are. Yeah. Yeah, I would have kids for a few days, and we could, you know, send them back. Okay. You know, she's always talking about it. It's got me thinking about what kids would look like and how I wouldn't want to be there. It's awesome.

[Ronnie]

So they ask Austin if he wants kids. And Austin's like, well, I always thought the answer to that would be yes, but. But who the hell is it saying who is to discern?

[Ben]

Well, Paige and I have decided to freeze my sperm, and it's not usually the way it goes.

[Ronnie]

And I think he's just seen too many housewives. So he's like, my spirit this season is freezing my sperm. No, nothing is happening with your sperm, sir. Okay? It's just not like. It's not like the egg storyline. It's just not the same. Yeah, men are still spouting out sperm at 90 years old. Look at Al Pacino still making babies. Look at Alec Baldwin. Okay? Those guys are just chumming it out.

[Ben]

My biological clock is ticking like this. Stomp, stomp, stomp.

[Ronnie]

Craig, what are you doing?

[Ben]

You're making our matcha shake. Sorry.

[Ronnie]

Oh, wait, I just came. Damn it, Craig. Sorry. So we get a clip of him going to the sperm place, and he goes up to the lady at the desk, and he's like, so how secure is this collection room? And she's like, it's secure. And he goes, yeah. Do people break in and steal stuff? And she's like, oh, wait, no, not in the collection room. I mean, where you store the samples. Yes, Craig. They walk into the collection room and steal lotion and Kleenex.

[Ben]

And then they just grab a vial of your sperm while they're at it, too, because they want some of your loser sperm. Pillow.

[Ronnie]

They really want compulsive liars sperm.

[Ben]

Yeah. So pillow Maven sperm.

[Ronnie]

That's actually good spro. I shouldn't call it losers for he's Not a loser, but, you know, it would give you nice pillows and lie to you a lot.

[Ben]

Yeah. So he goes in there and he, like, leaves his mic.

[Ronnie]

Wait, how have we not even talked about the big news of Southern charm?

[Ben]

Hello.

[Ronnie]

Breaking it, not breaking news.

[Ben]

Chicken news.

[Ronnie]

What, did this happen on the 31st or the 1st?

[Ben]

It was like, the 31st or 30th or the 33rd. It was right before New Year's Eve, so it was hidden. But, like, yeah, big news in chicken world. Why did the chicken cross the road to get rid of the other chicken? We're broken up.

[Ronnie]

The chicken crossed the road so that the other chicken would follow the chicken into the road, and then the first chicken could run fast to the curb while the other chicken got run over by a pillow delivery truck.

[Ben]

So why the chicken crossed the road? To get as far away from Charleston as possible. Like, literally the worst.

[Ronnie]

The chicken flew the out of Charleston. That's what happened. The chicken cross the road to jump on an airplane, to never return to this dump. Yeah, Craig dumped Paige. No, Paige dumped Craig. I shouldn't say dumped.

[Ben]

I don't know who dumped. They broke up. I heard her clip on Giggly Squad. She said that basically, like, this was not, like, a plan for publicity to set up summer house or anything. It just is the way it was. And. Yeah, and she was like, I'm not gonna cry on the Internet, but I will cry in a podcast. Just kidding. I'm, like, laughing, to be honest.

[Ronnie]

There were rumors circulating. There was some Dubois rumors. There were rumors all over the place that one couple was gonna break up and that she was cheating, supposedly. And then there are all these rumors that she's been. She's dating the dude from SNL who plays Domingo, and she's saying no. She's saying no. She's like, I'm obsessed with all these rumors. And then somebody else said she cheated, and she's like, well, have fun getting sued. I'll see you in court or something. So, you know, I think they said allegedly, so you can't sue them, but I don't know what's going on. I honestly hope that it's juicier than. They just wanted different things because that's so mature.

[Ben]

Well, Craig took off Paige's pillows from his website, so no, he.

[Ronnie]

They sold out of them because there were rumors of a girl. I've been following this. That's why. I can't believe we didn't bring it up, but I've been following this for days, and apparently they sold out of that stuff. But they did have a limited X's blanket, and it's called X's. Isn't that Crazy? And now they're exes. So I bought the X's blanket. I'm waiting to see, you know, if it shows up. Unlike other Bravo things I've ordered in the past. But, yeah, I bought. I bought some of that because, you know, that's going to be limited edition one day. I'm going to be like, guys, I bought X's the day after their breakup.

[Ben]

So I know now I'm. I'm just waiting for the Paige and Naomi scene because it'll be so good now that they can join forces. Ugh. It's all I've wanted all this time.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

My two favorite snarky people on Bravo. Yes.

[Ronnie]

All of Craig's girlfriends. Hopefully, by the end of the run of this, we can get all Craig's girlfriends lined up. And of course, the Internet's going crazy. Like, oh, my God, but he was sexting with Molly. Maybe he'll be with Molly. She's so cute too. Which would be cute, but that would be too much of a. Like, did they set this up for the show where they just brought him on a new girl to jump to?

[Ben]

Yeah. I don't know. But I'm team Paige because I'm always team Paige, and I. I'm. I'm fascinated to see where this goes. I wonder if it's going to stay amicable or if it's going to go in a dark place.

[Ronnie]

I think it'll stay pretty amicable. But one of the rumors was wait until he. Well, this was a tweet, so this is. Yeah, this is a rumor. But they said, we'll wait until Craig sees what was happening behind his back on Summer House, and then he's not going to be so amicable anymore. I don't believe it.

[Ben]

I'm not gonna make Craig the victim here. It's not gonna happen for me. I will bet. Even if. Even if that is what happens, I will bend the narrative. I'm not gonna allow it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Look, I think. I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I feel sad. I don't like when couples break up, which is weird because I'm super cynical. But once you're a couple, I think you're going to be together forever. I've said that a million times. And I. I think we kind of maybe saw this one coming. I mean, look, no sensible person is like, okay, she doesn't want kids and doesn't want to leave the East Coast. He desperately wants kids and wants to stay in the South. Like, obviously it's not going to work out, duh. But I don't know, I think we.

[Ben]

All thought that he was eventually just gonna like, cave in and just go up to New York and just do whatever Paige wanted. And so we don't know if this was truly the breaking point of it. But, you know, we'll find out. But now, of course, Summer House is going to be. It'll be like the Carl and Lindsay breakup. Although the Carl Lindsay breakup season, it was not like we had to look for, like breadcrumbs. But this, I think will be more like Scandal, where the scandival season. We watched it knowing where it was headed and we were seeing, like all the cracks within it. So now I'm sure with Summer House, we're gonna see many, many more cracks with Paige. And I'm sure they're going to re edit and really amplify that part of the story.

[Ronnie]

Well, every scene Paige is on this show with Craig is a crack. Literally.

[Ben]

Look at the last episode.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Remember where she's just on the phone completely ignoring him by the pool and she doesn't even turn on until Madison walks in. And then it's like someone flipped a switch and she's like, oh, my God. Hi, someone I care about. Please have a seat.

[Ben]

Yeah, I. Craig is really leaning into the homebody thing. And I'm not sure that Paige is as much of a homebody as Craig is. I feel like Paige enjoys in Summer House being in the bed and watching Love island on her laptop. But, like, that's different than being a full fledged homebody. Like, having moments in bed and appreciating the value of watching a show in bed is different than, like, just not going out at all and being stuck in a suburban prison when you're down in Charleston.

[Ronnie]

Well, and Summer House is a show that's based on the week. It's a weekend show. So it's after a week of going out and working all week and going out at night. So that's why they're in the bed. More on that. I mean, I don't know. Who knows? I'm sad to see it happen with these crazy kids. I don't know. I didn't know that they could make it, but I was hoping they would. I wasn't. I wasn't hoping they got. I wasn't hoping that they broke up. I was hoping they got divorced, Meaning I was hoping they would get Married. And then one day you just see her realize slowly what an idiot Craig is and then divorce him. But, you know, I like Craig, too. I think he just needs to find they're just too different.

[Ben]

I like them both. I like them both. I think that Craig. I think you mentioned last episode. You know, Craig can be extremely likable, but he has. He has some really shitty sides that we sort of. It's easy to forget about. And then they come raring, not forgetting.

[Ronnie]

Like, yeah, I'm not forgetting. It wasn't too long ago. That's what I was talking about last week. It wasn't too long ago on Winter House when Craig was just, you know, flipping money at everybody saying he's too rich to clean and all of that stuff that he was doing.

[Ben]

Like, he literally was like a pathological liar and probably still is for the first half of this series. The show's run for, like, years. It was. He was studying for the bar, and then all of a sudden, oh, I never took the bar. Or, like, I never was. Like. He was all sorts of lies. And then people were frustrated with his lies, and he always winds up looking really great. And they. Other people look like the monsters for being frustrated with him because he does a little boy act. But the truth is he's like. He's shady. He's shady, but he's charming. Yeah, but he's charming.

[Ronnie]

Well, everybody, that's the news on that. So that's pretty sad for those two crazy kids. So anyway, now this. But now back to the Shep and Austin pretending that they're actual good people who give a crap and guilting Craig for actually doing something with his life scene. So they're. They're talking about kids and stuff. So we just see Craig going to give his sperm, and they actually see him. We actually see him go into the room and they show him the porn. They're like. They're like, here's some porn. Please, you know, wash your hands before and after and everything like that. And then he closes the door, and I'm like, they're gonna shut. They're gonna show him. They're gonna show the sounds of him jerking off. But then he thinks and takes off the mic and puts it out because.

[Ben]

Jerry probably called him. Was like. Jerry was like, craig, take off your mic. Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

Craig. Listen, Craig, the only way we're going to keep you in the sperm place with your mic on is if we've got dish towels to sell, and we don't have them ready yet.

[Ben]

Craig.

[Ronnie]

All right, you're gonna have to do that later. Get rid of the mic.

[Ben]

All right.

[Ronnie]

Don't blow your load too soon, man. No pun intended, Craig.

[Ben]

Should I put this on the gram? No, Craig. Not our brand. So Craig is. So Craig has just told the guys that, like, Paige and I have decided to freeze my sperm. But what we find out is that's really Craig, because he says. He tells them. So I read about this person in a car accident, and he survived but can't have kids anymore. And I. I would be remiss, which is a word to say that becoming a dad is probably like. Like, I don't know. What's it called when it has to happen? Certainty. Prerequisite. Yeah. One of those words.

[Ronnie]

Donut holes. That doesn't even make sense. Craig. Well, it's gonna be like, three or four years, but you're gonna be, like, 40. And he's like, yeah, well, so we see a clip of him telling Paige he's gonna freeze his sperm. And she's like, I got a freeze on my tv, and her face froze in this face. It was like, what the fuck, Craig? Like, I could hear the dialogue, but her face is just frozen. I was laughing so hard. Is she wearing a wig? What is looking so different about Paige? Someone pointed out that she got bangs, but it's different. This is a wig or something. Is there something going on? I don't even know if this is Paige. This is probably just some AI person.

[Ben]

No, I think it is. I think it is Paige. Maybe. I mean, maybe it's like Madkin Amic or something in a wig. But, like, I think it is his Paige with just bangs. I think because the bangs come forward a lot. They just create that. That sort of sense of air that you get with a wig. You know, the wig sort of always sort of sits on ahead, and so, like, maybe that's what it is. I don't know.

[Ronnie]

It looks like a wig.

[Ben]

I mean, maybe it's a wig, but either way, she's like. When he's like, I want to freeze my sperm, she's like, what the Is wrong with you? I like. He's like that. He says to the guys, paige and I have decided to freeze. Freeze my sperm. And then when we see her reaction, she's like, what the.

[Ronnie]

You're an idiot.

[Ben]

She's like, you're stupid.

[Ronnie]

And he's like, well, but what if my testicles get chopped off? Oh, my God. So he's like, the version of what I saw. My life living isn't really what I'm living, but, you know, like, I want to live the stable life like where I grew up, you know, like, I had a mom. I had a dad. They cleaned stuff. We caught fish. They encouraged me to lie a lot about being a lawyer. You know, typical. Typical life. I was like, I don't know that they did the best job. I don't know that I would say I want to be just like your mom and dad. They raised a compulsive liar.

[Ben]

I know. So Austin's like, tell me something. Did you decide or did Paige decide to wait three or four years? Well, she did, but I agreed. And so the guys laugh because Craig is full of it, right? Because Shep is like, well, it's like, I doth protest too much. Like, protesting. But it's like, agree. He doth agree too much.

[Ronnie]

No, he didn't say doth. He said doubt. Shep is so dumb. He tries to talk like he's this really intelligent person, but he can't even pronounce half the shit he says. He's like, wow. It's like, what is that saying? He doubt protest too much? Maybe I'm the idiot. And that's really how people like Shakespeare realists will come at me. I don't know. But I've never heard that. And then he repeated it.

[Ben]

It he doeth. So Craig's like, we're going to do it one day, but, like, why not make as much money as we can now by making pillows and, like, jerking off onto our new tea towels? Craig, we're not doing that with our brand. Oh, sorry. Jerry says I should redact that.

[Ronnie]

Why is Jerry on sp. Why is Jerry on speaker phone? Sorry.

[Ben]

Jerry's my new chef.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, yeah, you know, like, we just want to, like, make as much money as we can right now. And Austin says, well, I just want to make sure that my buddy is doing what he wants. And that's it, because that's what a real relationship is. The man making himself happy.

[Ben]

Okay, have I ever told you I want kids now? Or did that come from someone else? Because I never said it. Allison's like, what?

[Ronnie]

What?

[Ben]

Ever since I've known him, he said he wants kids. And we see this clip of him, like, making a pillow with the name Penelope on it. And the producers are like, what's the Penelope for? It's the daughter I'm apparently not having that I want right now at this moment. I want a daughter yesterday.

[Ronnie]

Penelope, you can put a tooth in it. They're not believing it. You know, commercials here Comes one right now.

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So then we go to Pat's house and she's just looking around her room, making a list. She's like, hold on. Randy, hand me that pen. Here you go, ma'am. Ow. Why'd you stab me in the eye? Well, it's not like you're using it very much now. Feel around until you feel the cold, hard sweat of a shaker.

[Ben]

People always say the robots are gonna rise up, but as long as you keep them in their place, they never will even think about it.

[Ronnie]

So Whitney comes down and he's like, mother. Hello, mother. Hey, honey. Well, your birthday's this week, huh? She's like, yeah, I'm 83. When people remind me of how old I am, I think, that can't be right. I still feel like I'm 43 years old. Me and Georgette Mossbacher painting the town red with actual red pain. Actually, we got in a lot of trouble for that one. We were bad, bad girls. But I always said, you know, bring a little style to the street. Sorry.

[Ben]

God. Georgette Mossberger. God, her graffiti was horrifying. She would just write, fudge you fudge the cops. I said, georgette, now's the time to say the full f word. She said, I don't care. Doesn't matter what I do. I'm not gonna curse.

[Ronnie]

The only thing she ever did was one time on my birthday, she ran around putting the p word all over town. I said, georgette, I'm so proud of you. Until I actually looked at the word. It was pierogi. Well, all those years later, she ended up being the ambassador to Poland. So good on her poor.

[Ben]

So they're sitting there. Whitney has his sunglasses on inside while he's about to receive to do list from his mother, which I like, and.

[Ronnie]

I'm still coked out of my mind. And our whole agreement is that I wouldn't have to do anything with my life. So could we get this over with? Thanks.

[Ben]

Well, I want to go over to this list now. Now that you own all this, I have these things for you that need to be responsible for and hasn't been as organized as it could be, much like your life.

[Ronnie]

Now, listen, a few months ago, we talked to the financial planners and such, and, you know, when I kick the bucket, all this house and everything, Whitney's gonna have to pay 40% or something awful. And the point of generational wealth is not to give it to the government or the pores. This isn't a cheese line. Ow.

[Ben]

The poor. Sorry, Randy.

[Ronnie]

I didn't even mean to kick you in the head that time.

[Ben]

The point of generational wealth is to give as much money to the person in your family who's doing the least with his life. So, Whitney, it's all yours.

[Ronnie]

So they've decided to move all their money into a trust. She had Whitney buy the house from her, and then they moved it into a trust so the government can't get any of it when she. When she dies. And so she's like, you know, I mean, some things are seasonal. You have to pay the gardeners, you have to pay Randy when he behaves. Well, how often has Randy been paid? Well, never. Sometimes I'll pay him in a fork to the spine.

[Ben]

You know, there's a million things to keep up with in an old home. I mean, you got that. You know, in the spring, you have to buy new lilies at a certain place for the lily pads. And then you've gotta buy lily pads for Randy. Cause he likes to throw them on his wall. He does strange things in the servants quarters. I don't get it. But it brings him happiness and makes him not ask for more money. So we make him happy where we can.

[Ronnie]

There's only one place in town that sells lily pads big enough to also be used as bandages for Randy. So nobody can find any evidence in trash cans. So there's that. There's interior guys, exterior guys, painters, bricklayers, foundation founders, facelifters, nose tweaker, elbow redoers, pond excavators. It's a lot.

[Ben]

When he's like, mother, this is a lot of work. It's like trading a museum with public funding. That's a commentary on the state of the arts or government. Yeah, well, when I die, just have an auction. Just make sure no one's stupid gets all my precious art. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

Oh, so it's like, I can't imagine a world without mom. It would be like a world without dumps. Don't hearing yell.

[Ben]

Did you ever guess this house would ever become so much of a money pit? Or did that evade any sense of logical reasoning? Quiet, Whitney. Just get the lily pads already. I'm tired.

[Ronnie]

I think it's so sad that it's Patricia's birth birthday episode and she's just given everything to her son and the nicest thing he can compare her to is a fucking glass of champagne. Okay, so White Duck tacos. That's a place. It's a place called the White Duck. So it's a Levousine. Lev is still here? Why? I probably just to do shit like this. Because this is what Leva does on the show. She sits and talks to the people that nobody else would talk to, and then says things like. But don't you think you should shoot a scene about it? Okay, gotta go.

[Ben]

So she arrives, meets up with jt and she's like, I'm on antibiotics. He's like, allergies? No, just having a child. And also working in close proximity from the entire staff of. Of Southern hospitality. Oh, okay. Hey, I love small dogs. It feels like I'm sort of Persona non grata. By the way, Madison sat me down and lit me up real good. She lit me up so good, I almost wonder, did Brett get jealous of how much she lit me up? Kind of feels like there's a vibe there, right?

[Ronnie]

Oh, you call Patricia a. You're the. I see a little clip.

[Ben]

Have you seen my husband?

[Ronnie]

And then love is like, Well, I was trying to stand up for you. I was like, I have never even heard JT Use that. That word. I mean, I don't think I've really talked to him that much, but still, you guys, he didn't do it.

[Ben]

Yeah, I never use the B word, the P word, or the V word, and sometimes even the DT word. What's that word down there? I just don't know how to use that.

[Ronnie]

That's why I wanted to talk to you, because, like, I know you were just upset Patricia didn't accept the cane. Right? Is that what's on my card? Card? He was upset Patricia didn't accept the cane. I mean, that's what it says. Doesn't make much sense on the face, but can you take it from there? Great. Go for it. I'm gonna eat a bite of this.

[Ben]

He's like, well, I wasn't upset. It's just this whole game of telephone is so twisted. I mean, this just screams Craig. And then JT Tells us, I need Craig to walk all this rhetoric back, and if that's too incendiary, I'll die on that sword, too.

[Ronnie]

Why does every man on the show have to talk like that? None of you. None of you are even saying correct sentences. Like, what does that even mean? He needs to walk his rhetoric back, and if that's too incendiary, I'll die in that side on that sword. What's incendiary? It's what he. What are you saying is incendiary? That he's walking his rhetoric back. Am I not getting.

[Ben]

No, I think they. They just. They like to talk like they're very educated. I think it's because. I think it's because Patricia is there on that cast, because whenever they're around Patricia or just know that she might be watching, they just try to be a little classier and more educated. I mean, no one does it more than Austin. Austin, who is really not that bright except.

[Ronnie]

Does it a lot, too, though.

[Ben]

Shep does a lot. But I feel like Shep is right. Although maybe his. His pronunciation of Dolph is his baby goes the other way. I do think that, like, Shep. Shep is, like, I think, very educated. Because what else is his family going to do with him but send him to school? But like, with Austin, Austin, when he always. He always tries to puff up and. And try to be very witty. Like, he's, you know, what's his face. The guy who's in Oscar Wilde. Thank you. I was like, I love me, me. I love me. Slamming someone about trying to be witty while I'm trying to make an Oscar Wilde reference. And I can't even do it myself, but at least I know I can't do it. I can't do it sometimes Took me a while to get the Oscar Wilde out there, but I got it out there.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben]

Anyway, the point is this. Austin is not sitting at the Vicious. Vicious. He's not Dorothy Parker at the Vicious Circle. I don't know why I keep doing this myself. Why do I keep making these references that I'm clearly doing wrong? I'm like, why? Why? Ben, stop making references. You're no Gertrude Stein. Stop. Myself, Stop.

[Ronnie]

Stop with the incendiary references. So Leva's like, yeah, I mean, Craig does tend to exaggerate. So then we cut to the finale party where Craig is kicking Leva out for talking shit to his business partners about what a loser he is. And he's like, go then. Go. Go. She goes, I'm going.

[Ben]

Go.

[Ronnie]

Go then. Do you want me to run, Craig?

[Ben]

Go.

[Ronnie]

Leave now. I forgot that part where she was leaving, and he kept telling her to go, and she's like, I am going. Like, am I supposed to run out? Like.

[Ben]

And he was on such a power play that episode, Remember? He had every single person and just like anyone who was like, a tertiary member of the cast sitting at one big long table, and he put Naomi and Leva at a separate table. That was so mean.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So never forget. Anyway. Never forget. Leva's like, well, I. So, jt, I thought you and Madison were friends. Well, we were. You know, I just took it. I sat there with my cane, and I took it. Me, a cripple being attacked. She's like, okay, well, you should just call Craig. He's like, what a jacked up situation.

[Ronnie]

So now Craig and Paige are talking. Hey, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken. So I'm gonna tackle the last room of the house now. She's like, what? Is that the frog? And he's like, are. Are you laughing? The chicken?

[Ben]

No, I'm chicken. No, I'm not saying you're. I'm saying frog. The room's called frog. Are you calling me a frog? No, we're gonna have to break up.

[Ronnie]

This is what. This is what caused a breakup. So he's like, what does frog even stand for? Paige? Like, you know, and she's like, front room over the garage. So he's like, what are your goals for this room? She's like, don't worry about me. We won't be together by the time. Time that's finished.

[Ben]

So it's like, well, I just don't want it to be a podcast room. Please make it just a podcast room, because I can't imagine what else you might put in there. It's already tough enough looking at all your stacks of fabric.

[Ronnie]

So he's.

[Ben]

It's been a. It's been a couple years, and we started out after Covid, and we were, like, digging a lot, and, like, there was nothing else to it. We go on tour now and, like.

[Ronnie]

Oh, they were drinking a lot. Sorry. That was my drinking. I. We were dinging a lot also. Did you like how I spelled rhetoric up there today? I did the first half of notes. It was funny. Ben did the second half of notes, and I wrote. This is how I spelled rhetoric before the scene where we went in on how stupid all these guys are. I spelled it R, E, T, O, R, I, K. I was gonna let it slide.

[Ben]

Cause I knew sometimes. Sometimes when you're typing these notes, you just wanna say. Just type what it sounds like.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I swear to God, every single time I have to type. Every time. Single time I have to say I. Ayahuasca. I still don't. It's like a Y, O, U, S. It's like. It's so ayahuasca is, like, the hardest word. And I looked up the other day. I was like. I was like, how do you spell this word? And people. People are just always writing. This is like, the common thing. The suggestion is, how do you spell ayahuasca? And people write I W, A, S, K A. And I'm like, I get it. I get it.

[Ronnie]

I. Yeah, I get it too. It's hard. It's hard life.

[Ben]

Guys, Craig's talking about the origins of his podcast with Austin. I just started with them drinking during COVID and now it's turned into a business. And so he's like, but chicken. Look, I want this to be a multifunctional room where I can craft. She's like, oh, we're crafting. What are. What are we crafting? I don't know, but I have a cricket. She's like, oh, a cricket. Okay, Sorry, I'm just drafting the Press release for our breakup in a few months. Sorry.

[Ronnie]

Could you spell cricket? Is it spelled like the actual bug?

[Ben]

No, it has a U in it. Oh, even better. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Oh, Craig, could you make me. Could you make me an iron on for a shirt with your cricket? Yeah, I'd love to. What do you want it to say? Okay, I want it in Wing Dings, and I want it to say, I'm breaking up with you.

[Ben]

I guarantee the moment he mentioned that he had a cricket machine, she was like, I'm out of here. I. I can't.

[Ronnie]

I'm never getting another boner. Hey, do you have a 3D printer? Could you make me a boner that I could possibly use on our next day? Cuz I don't know how I'm going to fake this.

[Ben]

I. Listen, Craig, I don't know how to break it to you, but I'm a fashion influencer. Cricut is our cw.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, well, I need a room. If I have a room for just my sewing machine, it's just, oh, okay, why don't you do this? Do one wall with your chairs and your microphones, and then do your other stuff everywhere else where nobody has to see it. And he's like, okay. She goes, and why don't you guys record in the same room? That's crazy. You live in the same place and you don't even record in the same space. Hey, watch your ass. Okay? I took that very personally. And I know Ben took a little note on that, like, yeah, Ronnie, because I don't. It's harder to get out of bed and roll out. You don't get the same. Same joie de vie as you do when you just roll out of bed and you're like, here's. Here's what I think. You know, driving well, also, having to.

[Ben]

Be someplace at a certain time is more annoying. And on top of that, parking. Well, parking is not an issue for Craig and Austin, but in Los Angeles, you know, for many years, Ronnie lived a mile away from me, and we still did it remotely. Because honestly, parking. Parking is an issue in la. Like, if you can't. If you don't have guaranteed parking, if you have to hunt for a spot, thought you might as well just stay home. So I get it. But I will say, this whole conversation about what to do with the room and, like, multifunctional podcasting space, I was just cracking up because that's literally what I'm doing in this room here. It's like my board game storage. It's My podcasting space. It's gonna be a video podcasting space. It's where I have my. My peloton. Like, I am doing this, and I'm constantly, like, bringing Dom here, down, down here. And I'm like, what do you think about this? I'll see that from this angle. This looks, like, really good. He's like, yeah, it looks great. I'm like, I was thinking about moving the fake plant over here. What do you think about that? He's like, that looks good too. Now, what about this? I was thinking about, like, I could put a board game over here. He's like, yeah, sure. I'm like, totally the Craig right now. To Dom's page.

[Ronnie]

Yep. So she wants him to. He has an embroidery machine now, so he wants to do that. And he. She wants him to hem pants for her because he's never hemmed a thing for her. And basically he wants. Wants a lot of things. And he gets down to the wrapping paper wall, and she's like, what? And he's like, you know, people have wrapping paper walls. And she's like, no, I guess you've never heard of that. She goes, no. And he goes, you know how people have wrapping paper roofs? And she's like, yeah, those people are fucking weird, Craig. Okay.

[Ben]

How about a room where I can store all my Prada? Thank you.

[Ronnie]

Hey, Craig, I'm giving you an imaginary gift right now. Do you see it in your head? I do. Thank you so much. Much. Open it, Craig. Okay. I've. I've had this wrapping paper in my house. Open it up. Okay. I'm opening it. It's a box. Okay. Untie the string. I'm untying it. Open it up. What is it? It's a poster. What's it a poster of? Says I'm breaking up with you. God. We're good.

[Ben]

Hey, now that I'm no longer going to be in your life, you can embroider that onto a pillow broken up.

[Ronnie]

With the only thing that will sell out out in your entire collection.

[Ben]

So now we go to. It's now we're at, like, a golf club place. Golf course, whatever. So Madison and Brett and Hudson all show up, and they're just, like, checking in for tea time. And Madison's like, hey, you don't have an age limit on who could drive golf carts, right? I'm just imagining Bobby from SLC come sharing. Goddamn right.

[Ronnie]

There's no age limit.

[Ben]

Give me some soda.

[Ronnie]

Hey there, mister. I just had a Mountain Dew mixed with the Diet Coke. A little grenadine and whipped cream on it. Let me tell you what I think about your height requirement. I don't give a F. By losers like, oh, my God, that alcoholic child is stealing one of the golf carts.

[Ben]

Ma'am, she's not alcoholic. She just had a lot of sugar.

[Ronnie]

Oh.

[Ben]

So now they hop on the car court cart and they're going to the course and everything and master like, so what are we playing for? Who's got the money? It's gonna be corn. I'm playing for corn. You know, I kind of felt like Hudson was never going to be a little punk. And he is.

[Ronnie]

He's a little punk.

[Ben]

And I'm like, what the hell's wrong with you?

[Ronnie]

And he's just making noises like to mess up her swing and stuff like that. She's like, oh, my God, he's a preteen. I think I just have seconds before he don't want to hang out with me. Maybe a few years before he's saying Madison and grabbing his wiener. Coming out of the bedroom after being confronted by by somebody. It's just so sad. Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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