#2678 Below Deck Sailing Yacht S05E13: Drag Her!

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2678 Summary

Below Deck Sailing Yacht Season 5, Episode 13: "Drag Her!"

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Introduction

In Episode #2678 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the latest drama onboard Below Deck Sailing Yacht Season 5, Episode 13, titled "Drag Her!". This episode centers around the tumultuous interactions between the yacht's crew and a particularly challenging guest, Daisy, whose behavior sparks significant tension and conflict. Ben and Ronnie provide a lively and critical analysis of the episode, highlighting key moments, character dynamics, and the overall impact of Daisy's presence on the yacht.

Episode Recap

Daisy Under Fire

The episode begins with guests Jillian and her friends expressing their dissatisfaction with the yacht's amenities to Captain Glenn. Jillian voices her frustration, stating, "When you come for this level of luxury, you want what you pay for," referring sarcastically to the quality of services provided ([06:00] Ben). Their complaints set the stage for the ensuing conflicts among the crew, particularly affecting Daisy, the yacht's chief stew.

Daisy's Struggles

Daisy is portrayed as a thin-skinned, easily agitated crew member who finds herself at odds with Danny, another stew. Danny confronts Daisy about her apparent lack of motivation and poor attitude, stating, "You have been doing mind games since you've gotten on here" ([35:56] Ronnie). Daisy responds defensively, insisting that she cannot create passion in Danny and accusing him of manipulating the situation to make her look bad ([36:21] Ronnie).

Conflict Escalation

The tension escalates as Daisy continues to clash with Danny, leading to a series of confrontations. Daisy admits to spilling champagne on a guest's lap, attempting to start conversations that are met with indifference and irritation ([31:12] Ben). Danny expresses his frustration with Daisy's behavior, highlighting her negativity and its impact on his motivation ([36:34] Ben).

Guest Dynamics

Amidst the crew conflicts, Daisy attracts attention from multiple guests, including Keith and Chloyce, leading to romantic entanglements that further complicate the onboard atmosphere. Keith becomes interested in Daisy, while Chloyce attempts to woo her with his dance moves ([41:32] Ben). These interactions add another layer of drama, as Daisy navigates her relationships with both guests and crew members.

Leadership Challenges

Captain Glenn faces the challenge of maintaining harmony onboard while addressing the guests' complaints and crew tensions. He attempts to mediate the situation by holding a tip meeting, where conflicting opinions about Daisy's performance and the overall service quality are aired. Despite his efforts, Daisy's ongoing conflicts with Danny undermine the team's cohesion ([52:00] Ben).

Character Analysis

Daisy

Daisy emerges as the central figure of conflict in this episode. Her inability to manage her emotions and interactions with both guests and crew members creates a hostile environment. Daisy's confrontational nature is evident when she refuses to acknowledge specific complaints about her behavior, instead deflecting responsibility onto others ([43:30] Ben).

Danny

Danny's relationship with Daisy is fraught with frustration and disappointment. As the chief stew, Danny expects professionalism and dedication from his team, but Daisy's negative attitude and defensive responses challenge his leadership ([35:56] Ronnie). His confrontations with Daisy highlight the difficulties of managing interpersonal conflicts in a high-stress environment.

Captain Glenn

Captain Glenn attempts to maintain order and address both guest and crew concerns. His efforts to mediate conflicts and improve service quality are evident throughout the episode, but Daisy's persistent issues make his task increasingly difficult ([52:00] Ben).

Hosts' Reactions and Insights

Ben and Ronnie express significant frustration with Daisy's behavior, describing her as "a threat to the position" and criticizing her lack of professionalism. They highlight the unfairness Daisy faces in the service industry, where crew members are expected to maintain a façade of friendliness regardless of personal feelings ([12:32] Ben).

Ronnie emphasizes the double standard between male and female crew members, noting that while women are required to be flawless and customer-facing, men often receive more leniency for their actions ([13:27] Ronnie). This imbalance exacerbates the tension between crew members and contributes to the overall stressful environment onboard.

Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam ([07:07]): “That's trash box fucking sardine cam, you know, with this modified cigarette butt, ashed out in it, just kind of, you know, floating along the sea.”

• Ben Mandelker ([13:03]): “The guys do work, but like, then they're always like, oh my God, we did so much work.”

• Ronnie Karam ([23:41]): “I've been getting really super, like, artistically inclined lately and, like, listening to culture.”

• Ben Mandelker ([43:30]): “But the fact is that like, really, I listened to this like three times and the first two times I really thought she said farting, not fighting.”

• Ronnie Karam ([61:36]): “So she's like, this is like a cheese stick in ball.”

Conclusion

Episode #2678 of Watch What Crappens offers a scathing and humorous critique of the latest developments on Below Deck Sailing Yacht. Ben and Ronnie effectively highlight the challenges of managing dysfunctional relationships onboard, particularly focusing on Daisy's disruptive behavior and its ripple effects on the crew and guests. Their candid analysis sheds light on the underlying issues within the service industry depicted in the show, emphasizing the need for better leadership and more equitable treatment of crew members.

As Daisy continues to stir conflict and draw attention from guests, Ben and Ronnie remain skeptical about her ability to contribute positively to the yacht's environment. Their anticipation for future episodes suggests that Daisy's storyline will likely escalate, promising more drama and entertaining commentary for their listeners.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, man. I go through every closet, I go through every bedroom. I Virgo out in the new year and it feels so, so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I can tell you something. I am actually in the process of trying to revamp this room that I'm sitting in right now where I record the podcast and I want to get some chairs and I am going to go to Wayfair to get it done.

[Ronnie Karam]

I actually just did that. I just designed my deck and was finishing it all up and I actually got most of my stuff on Wayfair. I got these amazing, huge deck like lounger chairs. They look stunningly gorgeous. I mean, they look fantastic. And I got them for an amazing price.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

What happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens. Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today here on the yacht of life, Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello, how are you? You know, in luxury experience, I expect more. I would appreciate it if women could be as kind as men. Welcome to this episode of Below Deck Sailing. Oh, my God, a bunch of dopes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Um, yeah, nice big fun episode today of Below Deck Sailing that we're going to recap in a moment. And before we dive into that, in case you missed the news flash yesterday, the voting is officially open for the 2025 crappies happening on February 1st in New York City. Get your tickets. Actually, most of the theater is sold out. Actually most of it sold out, which is really cool. Thanks to everyone for buying tickets. Again, go to watchcrafts.com to get your tickets. That's also where you'll find the ballot. We've got a lot of really fun categories. Really, really fun. So thanks to everyone who's already voted and you know, go and send it to your friends. Send it to anyone you know who loves Bravo because honestly, it's just like fun. It's just like fun to do the ballot. So that's going on. Hang out with us on Patreon. Really excited because Traders comes back this week. We have done a two part cast breakdown for the Traders on our bonus episodes. Part one went up yesterday. Part two is going to go up, I think on Thursday. And then what we're going to do is we're going to recap the Traders sort of the way we did Love island over the summer. And we're so, so thrilled because that's like, honestly one of my favorite shows of the year. So can't wait to get back into that. And you know, we got tons of other bonus episodes and crap is on demand. You can watch us. You can watch Ronnie's back back home in Texas. So there'll probably be a Bueller cameo coming up soon. He's been drinking a smoothie today, so you might see that cup.

[Ronnie Karam]

Healthy guys got to get them vitamins in for 2025.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get the vitamins in. Okay. So we're just really amped. It's like a really fun week. So much good stuff on Bravo and on Peacock right now. And I'm just, I'm just excited for the crappies. I'm not going to lie. We know what's going on behind the scenes. We are keeping a lot of it as a surprise and we're just like, we're excited.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's going to be a good one. Also, we're doing San Francisco and San Diego first. We're going to be doing those in just a couple of weeks. We're so excited. Go get tickets. Watch what crop. And then following the crappies that week, I mean, right after that, we're going to be in Denver and Salt Lake City. Okay. So come. Also, you've been asking about Southern hospitality. We are recording it right after this episode, so it will be up probably later. Today or tomorrow morning. And normally going forward, that show will come out on Monday afternoons. Okay, so that's when that one's coming out. Guys, great show. Watch it. Let's get into Below Deck selling Yacht Season 5, Episode 13, Mid Strife Crisis.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a great episode. I just want to say. I mean, not of our show, but of below deck. I mean, ours. Maybe it'll be great. Who knows?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's gonna be one of the greatest all time episodes of Watch with Crappins ever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, we're 3 minutes and 31 seconds in and I can tell you right now, this episode of Crappin is great.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is already the best episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

So good. Previously. The guests are meeting with Captain Glenn prior to their departure to register their dismay. So this lady, Jillian, she's miserable and all her friends are miserable and they've come on the boat to be miserable and now they're mad that people have reacted to them being miserable. Now she sort of has a point here because honestly, if you're on a seven star yacht, no matter how miserable you are, you still need the staff to be like, yes, whatever you need, whatever you need, Smile, smile, smile. Unfortunately, they confused getting onto a seven star yacht with this floating, you know, heap of garbage.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's trash box fucking sardine cam, you know, with this modified cigarette butt, ashed out in it, just kind of, you know, floating along the sea, you know. And I get it, you know, when you're in a luxury experience, you want to be treated like the 1%. Unfortunately, you're not the 1%. And we know this because you're a one day charter. You're one day charter people. So you can drop the attitude. And you know what I can say as a person who's been in service my whole life, not the service, you know, God bless you America, service people. But I mean the service industry. And let me tell you, we get sick of people like this real fast. And it is part of our job to not let them know how much we hate them. But sometimes that mask slips a little. Now, I don't think that it really did. I mean, I think that everybody was pretty nice to them, you know, considering I don't think that anybody really reacted and they even said it. So here's the scene. We've got Shari and her friend Jillian down there telling Captain Glenn how much everything sucked. And Jillian's saying, when you come for this level of luxury, you want what you pay for, which is 50% of discounted, you know, crap drinks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. First of all, basically, you're getting A cheeseburger?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You're getting what you paid for is half price, so let's not bring how much you paid into this one day charter person, okay? And she said, I feel like the guys went over and beyond to kind of help us have a good time. But the girls were all really friendly. But some of the things that came up is that they weren't attentive. They weren't as attentive as the guys. Bullshit. The guys didn't have to bring you drinks. The guys didn't have to listen to you diss them over and over again while you complained and complained and acted like serving you an aperol spritz, which you asked for, was a sin against nature.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Also, Diana can't help it that she has, you know, resting bitch face. Okay? That's just like, she's been through a lot. She's had to. She's had to stew on, like, an oligarch's yacht. She's. It's rough. And people. This week, people are like, you guys know that she's Portuguese, not Russian, right? We're like, yes, but we also feel like she's Russian. She has.

[Ronnie Karam]

Feel like she takes enough pride in being in that community now from working for Putin for so long on the yachts or whatever. And listen, she doesn't have resting face. I don't think that's even a nice thing to say about her. She has resting. I worked for Putin for a long time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is like, you can with me, but I can have you killed if I get Putin in the right mood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She has Putin proximity privilege. She's like, I'll still work. I'll still be in the service industry. You know, I'll be at the low end of the ladder, but I can have you murdered by the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I can say, like, instead of my Christmas bonus, can you murder these assholes, you know, who remain to me on the yacht?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they're like. Then Shari is like, well, yeah, you know, she thought the girls were friendly, but they were just friendly in front of us. But then as soon as they turned around, they were just rolling their eyes. Well, you can't get mad at me for what I do when I turn my back. I mean, what the hell? Isn't that part of freedom of speech that I can turn my back and roll my eyes at your stupid ass? You're lucky they didn't do it to your face. Frankly, I think this cast deserves a medal of honor for not doing it to your face. The fact that they did it behind your back. They deserve a Tony award.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm very, very sorry for that because that should never happen. Obviously, we dropped the ball here. Could I offer you as Compensation, a 45 minute lecture about life in a cave, growing up, spending time being near nurses, et cetera?

[Ronnie Karam]

Cut to a black and white picture of him with an afro in the 70s. And so Sherry's or Shari's like, you were great though. You made up for everything. He's like, oh, thank you. And I appreciate you saying that and that's very nice. But you know, we're a team, so, you know, if one person falls, we all fall. We're like dominoes. Like the pizza. God, the nurses love pizza. Geez, I wish we could have had that delivered in the cave. I'd be married by now. What are we talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

And by the way, in case you haven't seen the season trailer, we do fall quite a bit. It's kind of hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't sit on the ground for about 10 more minutes. You'll get to see the cabinet door open.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Gary's like, what's going on in there? I'm feeling quite uneasy. And Diana's like, it's taking too long and days. He's like, oh, I think I'm gonna be sack. So yeah. And Clarice is like, what could they be complaining about? Just like they had a seven star meal last night of wedge salad and cheesy, cheesy oysters, crab cakes and Mac and cheese. And more Mac and cheese. And more Mac and cheese and lasagna.

[Ronnie Karam]

And poor Daisy, chicken fingers. And poor Daisy just thinks it spilled champagne. A girl. No, they are, they are ragging your whole existence in there. Like, take out the trash. Her name is Daisy. So now the guests come out and it's awkward, you know, And Daisy's like, oh, they were complaining. We knew it. I can see it on their face. Look at their complaining face. And Shari is like, thanks, everyone. There were just a few little hiccups. We felt a little tension between some of the girls. Hopefully we didn't work you too much. Yeah, you did. And you felt it. You didn't see it. So get the fuck out of here with your non complaint. Okay? I deserve them. Employee of the month for you not seeing me roll my eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I also love this move by Sherry. She's like, yeah, we all just felt a little frustration a little bit towards us. And then she turns to her friend Jillian and goes, and what else? Like, you take it from here, you know? I'm not the only one going down looking like a on tv. And so Jillian's like, oh, okay. Well, I was trying not to confront these people to their faces, but I think the main thing was I feel like the guys did such a great job of making us try to be happy and you know, just a few hiccups that we already shared with you and can share with your crew.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, I'm passing this to Glenn, he can fucking do it. This isn't my job. But this is giving me notes of like, you know, good dad, bad mom type thing where the dad is always the good guy because he works all day, nobody ever sees him, he comes home. And this is like in old style families. I know what I'm saying sounds like sexist from the 50s, but I'm old. And so, you know, it's like my dad always got away with everything because he was always at work. And then my mom had to discipline me in the day, so my mom was always the bitch. And my dad's, you know, like the hero because he just takes us out for pizza. That's all he has to do, you know, and that's giving me a little bit of this. Like, oh, the guys get away scot free because all they have to do is really walk around and like flex their glutes at you a little bit. And the girls are the ones who have to deal with you bossing them around all day. That's not fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, this has always been an issue with this show because the guys, admittedly, like the safety of the boat is in their hands, but like, I don't feel like they are necessarily. They're not as consumer facing, customer facing, client facing as the women are. And the women have to be like sort of flawless all day long, whereas the guys can goof up, they can smoke cigarettes over here or there, you know, dock the boat, get the toys out, make sure no one drowns. That's, you know, that's, that's good. That's an important thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not nothing. The guys do work, but like, then they're always like, oh my God, we did so much work. And meanwhile, the students are doing at the same amount of work, if not more, the whole day long. You know, comes dinner time, the guys are all just sitting around all the time. They're just loafing around down in the, in the, in the mess and the girls are always running around like crazy. So. Yeah, I think you're totally right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that. Yeah, it's my favorite thing It's a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great episode of Watch what Crappins.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a great episode of Ronnie. I think you're right. That's what we should call the show. It's my favorite thing to hear. It's, you know, it's few and far between, but, God, I just love to hear it. Okay, so Glenn's like, guys, that was a tough one. Was nor easiest charter. We'll chat about it and come up with solutions, but for now, let's get everyone changed. And so Daisy's like, oh, God. Oh, Josh. Yeah. I'm also not going to take it when you're giving us so much hostility and we're working all these hours. I'm going to talk to Glenn. We're going to work on this. And Keith is like, I think you did a great job. Not that I was there for any of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. By the way, note that Glenn did not give these ladies a. A horn goodbye. He was. He did not go rushing in together.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're right. He didn't give him the. Wait a minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

They definitely also would not have liked it. Sherry would have been like, why are they honking at us? That's kind of rude. I feel like that's a lot of hostility. We're taking some of that tip back. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shara would have been like, that was probably one of the girls. Get him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I was very happy with the charter. They said us guys did great. So thank you so much for your hard work, everyone. And Daisy, meanwhile, is like, I don't want any guests to walk away feeling like they had an experience like that. That's why I'm not here. I'm here to yacht my underlings. And I certainly didn't want them to feel like we didn't like them. I just wanted them to feel like we didn't enjoy them or want to be around them, but perhaps we would like them in some way. Like, you know, she has, like, a nice shoe or the size of her pocket, seems good and comfortable for putting keys in. You know, things like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I certainly don't want to feel like. I don't want people to feel like I don't like them, but frankly, I don't. I've had this problem many, many times. I mean, you know how many times Daisy's had this problem in her life where she's. People are like, I feel like Daisy hates me all the time. You know, let a woman live.

[Ben Mandelker]

The only person.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's called our personality. I mean, Jes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. By the way, there's literally no Chief sue we've ever seen on this show who's been able to to hide their disdain. I mean, from Hannah. The way Hannah would flare her eyes at a charter guest she hated. Or the way Kate would be like, okay, so are you idiots done with your meal yet? Oh, sorry, did I just say that out loud?

[Ronnie Karam]

So did you? Oh, I can see you're all still living after your meal. I was actually creatively visualizing you choking on your chicken bones. But here we are so even clear.

[Ben Mandelker]

That even Asia last season clapped back at a. At someone she didn't like. Remember, the person was like, this is. This knife is a butter knife. Actually, it's a fish knife, you fucking idiot. Get off my boat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, an education in fine dining isn't on the menu for you, dear.

[Ben Mandelker]

I live in a van, and I still know more about luxury than you do. Get off my boat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I have to say, too. I don't have to say. I don't know why I keep saying I have to say. I have to say, guys, but I will say no. I don't like that either. I'll try on different things, but for now, I'm going to say that Daisy did a very good job in this episode because they really did ram Daisy this. Maybe Daisy really got it from all sides. And Daisy's very thin skinned. You know, a long time ago, someone said, do you listen to crappings on one of her Instagram lives? She goes, oh, God, they hate me. No, we don't. We absolutely don't. But she's very thin skinned. You know, she can't listen to a lot of this. And I don't blame her. I'm thin skinned, too. I'll cry at the drop of a hat if someone talks shit about me. And don't, don't do it in comments just to see if it's true, because I will cry. And she handled all of this really well. I mean, I think that a lot of people would have been like, fuck those bitches in their testimonial or whatever, confessional. But she was like, no. You know, at the end of the day, it's my job not to let them see how much I hate them. And I failed. So I feel bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I, like, love Daisy and I feel guilt that we did not put her on the ballot for Bravo Liberty of the Year. I'm going to say that right now. I feel guilt. Like, I kind of want to go on. I kind of want to go into the ballot right now and just add her in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do it. Add her in.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to do it. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, not right now. I mean, after work, but yeah, I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can do it while we're podcasting. I'm very crafty.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so interior goes down to change, and Danny pulls Daisy to chat. Now, we know that Danny has just been told. We've just been reminded in the last week on Blow that selling. God damn it, Gary. We saw in those clips where Daisy told her, told Danny, basically, if you've got time for peeing, you've got time to clean. Now get off. Get off. Chase and go do some cleaning. Right, so now let's watch how Danny turns this around to be. Daisy's a monster. Because God forbid anybody tells Danny something like this. You know, we've all known children like this, or we've been children like this. Hi. Hi, everybody. Hi, mom and dad. So we see it coming from a mile off, and she does not disappoint. What a dick.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well. And also, Danny has been mad at Daisy ever since Daisy, like, clapped back at her and said that Danny was not being nice when she was talking shit about Keith. So Dan is like, daisy, I'm personally, like, losing my passion and motivation, and I'm not speaking on behalf of Diana, but you'll be on your phone sometimes, and then you'll come up and then you'll just, like, shoot at us for something. And I'm just, like, so confused. Daisy's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I shouted you. I shouted you? Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who do you think you are saying I shouted at you? I speak in a very calm tone at all times.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's what I was expecting. But she surprised me. So she's like, well, sometimes you do. She goes, oh, oh. And she says, well, or, like, you'll snap at us or you'll snap at me in particular. And she's like, oh, I snappy you in particular. And she's like, well, yeah, sometimes, you know. And then, like, you know, I don't feel like we're always, as a group, performing at a hole to our peak because of it, you know, because sometimes we're lacking, like, we have no fucking clue what's going on and things have gone a bit smoother. But, yes, because we've taken initiative and we've done stuff because now we know the program. This is all such bullshit. I don't know how she doesn't grab her by the hair and throw her off the side of the boat because this is bullshit. She tells you what to do. That's your problem with her. Whenever she tells you something to do, you get upset with her and want to go cry about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You cannot say that you are taking initiative when she is the ones who's catching you flirting time and time again. You're sitting there chatting to Chase and whatever piece of dick is floating by on a raft instead of doing your work. And then you're not trying to get.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ahead, you're trying to get head.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, yes. And by the way, try to get that head. But do it after you clean the head.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get. Yeah, get that head, you know, after work or. Well, I mean, get it at work. It's kind of like what Daisy's in trouble for. Do it at work if you can, but don't get caught. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

We've all been exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, John's Pizza, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just. Oh, I just added Daisy to the ballot. She's officially now in the running to be. Although she's at a disadvantage because there's already been a day of voting. So, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's great. You just confessed to that guilt. And I just confessed to giving blowies at John's Pizza when I worked there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pepperoni, am I right?

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So Daisy's like, I'm sorry you felt like that, or you felt like a snap at you. And secondly, if you don't know what you're doing, come and ask me. I'd like to think I'm very approachable.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, maybe on the heat of the moment, maybe I'm direct. Which is funny when people say that, it's maybe I'm direct. I mean, I can only make someone care so much. You have to want to care for yourself. And as far as I can tell by the way you carry yourself on this boat, you don't care about anything. Get to work.

[Ronnie Karam]

How about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

For initiative. Sorry about that. I'm a little direct right now, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been getting really super, like, artistically inclined lately and, like, listening to culture. And so I was listening to Sabrina Carpenter, the Sabrina Carpenter song, because it was being broken down on that podcast song Exploder, which is so good. Anyway, I was listening to it and they were talking about the meaning of stuff, and she has this lyric, and I'm not quoting it directly because I didn't write it down, but it's something like, if you don't want to cry to my music, don't make me hate you prolifically. And that's just, like, so beautiful. And I think that's what Daisy's saying right now. Like, if you don't want me to be direct with you, don't be stupid. If you don't want me calling you stupid, don't be Stupid. Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yep. Mm. Be better. How about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Which came first, the chicken, the egg, or the stupid person who didn't want to be called stupid by a chicken or an egg? Okay, stupid people. You don't want to be called stupid. Stop being stupid. Stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was really. Watching her say this, watching this idiot, this spoiled brat who's been slacking all season, who cried because she couldn't put, like, a doily where she wants to on a tablescape. To sit here and do that, have this moment, was hilarious. And again, I've said this before, like a real. I do feel a real privilege in what, being able to watch these shows with Dom. Because watching Dom react. Because, you know, Dom, as a choreographer, he's, like, in charge of people, you know, like, he has. He has to order people around. And so he. He's like. He's like a dancing daisy. He has to be like the Daisy of, like, a people of dancers. Yeah. And it's just so funny. What. The way he just can roll his eyes at these people. I'm like, I feel really privileged just to watch someone just be so utterly disgusted by someone's work ethic on these shows. More than one.

[Ronnie Karam]

As a choreographer, especially his level, he's in a position where people are working so hard for their pat. Like, they have passion. They come with passion. And passion doesn't win you anything. And that's. Most people in his business are like, but I have so much passion. How could you think that I'm not good enough? And it's like, your passion doesn't even count here, you know? And then this. Here comes this girl. Like, I need you to give me some passion. That's not how passion works, you dip shit. Nobody's going to. Nobody's going to be able to inspire you about being excited to clean shit off a seat. That's just not how life works.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can complain about your boss not creating, like, a good work environment, and you can talk about how your motivation is low because your boss sucks. That's fair. But you can't expect your boss, like, ultimately it has to come from you. And honestly, a lot of times my experience has been that if you are just. If you, like, buck up, and you're, like, a really good worker, your boss. Boss usually responds that. And if they don't, then they are really a piece of. But in this case, Danny is not like, you cannot tell me that Danny, you know, just flirting with Chase in the. In the wheelhouse does that is just not going to be the thing that's ever Going to get your boss happy with what you do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's no one's job to make you want to be there, you know? So then Danny's like, it's just hard to care when it just feels like you don't. Oh, hell no. That's when I heard all the chairs in the saloon scrape against the floor as they backed up, up, you know? And Daisy's like, well, I'm sorry that I give off the vibe that I don't want to be. And then her Popeye eye is, like, almost completely closed. She's got one eye, like, completely like this, like, cockeyed. It's like, I think I'm a very pleasant groomer.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Danny's like, well, I'm not having a go. No, no, no. Absolutely not. I'm just a bit. I'm a bit blindsided. And I mean, obviously, I'm gonna have to go and re Evaluate how I can create passion in what you're doing here. Let me think about it. Get to cleaning here. Was that enough passion for you?

[Ronnie Karam]

When she walked past her, I died. She's like, let me go. Think how I can create passion for you. Okay. And then she gives her this big creepy smile and then pats her on the leg, like, got it. And I was like, oh, no. Daisy's gonna go fucking crazy on this girl. Daisy is gonna find a way to make this girl a living hell life. A living hell. And I was wrong. Thank God. But I was like, oh, my God, this does not look good for this poor young girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

If this girl thinks that she said her piece and it's gonna be over, she's sadly mistaken. So Daisy's like, she's a fucking billboard for Gen Z. She thinks that I'm her equal. I'm absolutely not her equal. I'm her superior in every way. You're a 23 year old who knows absolutely fucking nothing. Sit there, shut up, and learn from it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Danny's like, well, her headspace is very different. It's millennial. It's like they try to rub in our face, like they're so much older and wiser for us. This is so funny being so old and listening to because, you know, we've had these fights a decade ago, and it was the Xers versus the millennials. It was the same thing. The millennials were like, you need to inspire us to do work. And the exes were like, yeah, well, we're tough and hard and we can make dinner out of a matchstick and a garbage tie from a Trash bag. You know, like, we weren't known for being the laziest fuckers in the world during our age. Don't you remember Reality Bites with Ben Stiller and Janine Garofalo? Like, what? Like, shitheads we were. And how we were, like, the laziest do nothing generation? That's just how it is, you know, the young people hate the old people. They hate the old people hate the young people. God, it just feels so good to watch it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what was so funny to me is that, like, you know, we. We lived through the anti millennial phase. We lived through those where it's like, oh, my God, that's so millennial.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ugh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Millennial pink. Oh, my God. Millennials are so.

[Ronnie Karam]

Look how great they're doing now.

[Ben Mandelker]

But what was funny is that, like, all the hate for millennials came from older people doing the typical thing that you talked about, which is, like, old, older people punching down on the younger people. So it's kind of funny to me to hear a younger person getting mad at a millennial. Like, almost the same energy as being like, okay, Boomer. I'm like, ooh, that's weird to think of millennials being in a position where they're like, the old folks. Like, to me, millennials are still, like. To say, like, millennials to me are still, like, 22 years old, but they're all like, 37, 40. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. How do millennials get to be. Be mid to upper 30s?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, we're old bitches. Look at your ball sack. That's how it happened. Look at your ball sack. How did it get so low? How is it even doing that? I didn't even know there was that much skin there. Sometimes I'm like, where are you going? Are you carrying a jug of water to a small village? Who are you even?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't have to look at my ball sack because I can just look at Gary. So Glenn is like, gary, the world's ball sack.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just watching it drop year by year.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like a sundial in ball sack shape.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lord knows. So then Glenn comes. So she's just, of course, wrecked by this whole Danny thing, you know? So she's about to. Her head's about to fucking pop off and. Or cry. She goes to the bathroom, right? So then. Which we all know means you're gonna cry or you're gonna fuck somebody or take a giant poop. If you're Gary. If you go into that bathroom and they get you on camera. So then she Goes in there. But then Glenn comes, and he's like, daisy, have a chat. It's like, oh, for sake. God damn it. So she comes out to chat with him, and he's like, guys, you know, listen, Daisy, I had a chat with them, and they just felt a little like the service wasn't up to the level that they should expect on a super yacht. Can we play the song? It's a super. He's a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Daisy is like, well, there was such a bad vibe, and I will take full responsibility for that. I mean, I felt like I always had my manners. I think I tried to start conversation, and I laughed in their face, but I spilled three bottles, three glasses of champagne on the primary's lap. I thought that was charming, but the looks. I was getting a conversation. If I tried to start it, it was, like, stonewalling. And it got to a point where I was like, I don't know. I don't want to be around them. Like, well, when was that point? I don't know. About three minutes into the charter.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, is there anybody that you do want to be around? No. Great. Well, at least you're consistent. Okay? So you get points for that. So, you know, you set the tone for your apartment. So how can we come up with a way that if we get the exact same mood from the next guest, but this time with really terrible wigs and tons of makeup, what can we do different? She's like, oh, my God. This day. Now you're telling me it's coming back, but in heels.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she pulls an Emma, and she's like, I gotta get out of her. So she, like. She's like, okay, go get. No, don't get yourself upset. No, it's not you, Glenn. I'll be back. Oh, me this day. I'll be back. Which, by the way, that's. Now, that would be great if the Terminator said that instead of like, I'll be back. Like, it's not you. Well, you know what? Me, this day, I will be back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can't take this right now. Millennials don't be back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you. Me just, I'll be back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, you know, her temper is like. She's going to cry and scream and everything. So she does the best thing. She walks away. And he's like, don't get yourself upset. But she leaves, and he's like, okay, take a moment and come back. I'll just be here waiting. And then he crosses his legs and sits on the bed. Like, I'm literally gonna sit here and wait. I have Nothing better to do. I will almost crash this boat in about 30 minutes. But for now I'm sitting on this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bed, just gonna pretend this room is a cave. So Danny is. So then Danny, the Daisy walks up there when they see her and Danny's like, well, I told Daisy that I think she's unmotivated and not pitching it and doesn't give a fuck. And Diana's like, you'll said that. She's like, yeah. I mean, what am I supposed to do, Diana?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll tell you what.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're supposed to do your job. You're supposed to sweep and not supposed to assass your boss and say that she doesn't give direction and she doesn't seem to be in it and she's not inspiring enough passion for you. How about you, Shammy? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You got time to weep? You got time to sweet lame ass?

[Ben Mandelker]

You got time to complain? You got time to explain why you're not cleaning?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And I said it's very hard work for somebody that doesn't give a fuck. She's doing that thing where she's like a badass because she told off the boss. So she's like gonna go brag to everyone that she like told off the boss, but it just makes her look so pathetic, I think. So Rihanna's like, well, work wise, she's not the worst chief Stew, because she's actually like, she's. She's comprehensive and stuff. She's like, well, I've not seen that all. So kudos to you for noticing that. But I've not seen that. Now I look like a. So she's going to on me and. And make my life a fucking hell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's your boss. What do you expect her to do? You just told your boss that she doesn't really know what she's doing and her head's not in the game. What do you think your boss is going to do? You just said, hey, boss, you always are yelling at me. So do you. What do you think your boss is going to do? Not yell at you. She's going to yell at you times two, you idiot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Idiot. But also, this is another reason I was really proud of Daisy, because this is probably what a lot of people would have done was make her life a living hell. And I think Daisy was tempted to, but Daisy's smart enough to see what this idiot's doing, which is manipulate her into looking like a bad boss in front of everybody else and getting revenge and doing all that stuff so that this girl would have a complaint so she could go to HR or whoever, and at the very worst, get a payment of some kind, some kind of settlement of some kind for complaining and at best, just make her look stupid and ruin her up reputation in the industry. Because God forbid, she told this girl to stop making out instead of cleaning, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's like she knows. She just knows that that's what she's gonna do, and she doesn't play into it, even though she wants to punch her in the face.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Danny goes, this is, like, so mind gamey. I don't do mind games. It's just like, facts. Like, you literally have been doing mind games since you've gotten on here. So Diana tells us, on my last boat, we would get punished by our chiefs too, if we left a little bit of dust here. Or like, you forgot to take this bag out. Have you ever. Stuck in a closet with nothing but frozen borscht on every shelf is horrifying.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought Siberia was a saying until I left underwear on the floor.

[Ben Mandelker]

One time she made me shower in goulash, which I know is so.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I love Daisy. Yeah. Diana's like, I haven't lost a finger, so I love her. I mean, I know this is great. Leave a speck of poop on Putin's toilet and see how that works out for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what I'm saying? Ye. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Daisy comes back and she's like, I'm sorry for walking off. And Glenn's like, well, I'm sorry for just sitting in this bed, but God damn, it's comfortable. Okay, let's get, you know, let's talk. So this is not about chewing you out, Daisy. This is about the fact that I lived in a cave. Thank you for the shot of me with an afro in the 70s. No, it didn't go great in your department. I know you can do it now. Take that on board. Realize that, hey, I can do better, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's like, okay, give me a hug. So Danny, then upstairs is like, that was absolutely terrifying. Ooh. What happened? Well, I was just telling Daisy I think it's hard. It's hard to work for someone who doesn't care. And she was just, like, very condescending and said, I can't bring your passion back. So now Danny, who's like, not about mind games or anything, she is now quietly going around and launching a campaign against Daisy. She's, like, trying to find her allies and, like, like, get ahead on the narrative, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

And saying how terrifying Daisy is. And this girl's so stupid that she's going to go to Gary first when she knows that Gary is totally in love with Daisy. But it's a double because she, Gary chose Daisy over her. So she was dumped that way. So she's going to keep trying to turn Daisy. I mean, sorry, keep trying to turn Gary, even though she's already got Chase. She's just so fucking pathetic. And I have to remind myself this girl is 23, you know, and so that I do think is part of it where you're just young, you know, she's doing like young, stupid baby things. But listen, I chose not to have children for a reason. And at this point I'm just like, spank your children, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Chase goes, well, all you can say is how you feel. And she's just gonna be defensive. And Gary's like, yes, she's probably. Yes, of. Yes, of course she will be because she probably wasn't expecting that either. And I don't want to say anymore because I feel bad for days. And so then. Okay, everyone, okay, come over here for the tip meeting. So they gather around and he's like, all right everyone, another charter done. And then they just show a picture of him with his afro. We. I don't even understand what prompted that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't even say caves. Flashes up again. Okay, okay, I got. I deserve that time. All right, well the tip, you know, you can't expect other people. Just because they're miserable doesn't mean we have to be miserable. We've got to give good service no matter what. Now here's our tip. Tip five thou, $15,000. Which is actually really good for a one day charter.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so everybody's like, wow, I can't believe it. What a relief.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr. Contessa remains the cheapest tipper of the season. Cuz she wasn't 15 is about 15 or 18. But it was like a three day charter. I think this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ouch. I'm still mad at Contessa about that. And I've never really loved her on Married to Medicine anyway. As you know, I'm still pissed they brought her back. But I watch Marriage Married to Medicine every week and every time I see her I'm like, just shut up you lame tipper. I will never forgive her. She can never do anything to get back in my good graces. I'm like, get her, heavenly. Get her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I used to really like Contessa. She was one of my favorites in the beginning. But I don't know, she just really wore me Out.

[Ronnie Karam]

She sucks now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then watching Dr. Scott do his. Do his rap on the season premiere. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. There's no coming back from that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no. Okay, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you know, they're all appreciative because. And Daisy's like, we weren't expecting that. And they didn't get a good experience and that was very generous. So we appreciate it there. Do I have a smile in my eyes? Like, no. Well, I tried. God damn it. I need a moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Chase and Claus are talking about going out tonight. And like Chlois, Chase is telling Cloy to like, woo Daisy with his dance moves. And Chase is like, I'm gonna shave my nuts. See you in a minute. Huh? So then Daisy is making a drink with Keith and she's like, well, I've had a bit of a day. He's like, oh, really? It's like, yeah, I'm next on Danny's witch hunt. She completely assassinated my character. He's like, yeah, well, she assassinated my character too. And like I was saying to you, like, am I the problem here?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she picked the wrong person. I'm gonna get that. That bit so good. And he's like, got a boner. I've got a boner. All I see is a piece of toast coming out of your. Out of your fly. That's it. That's the boner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Boss bitch. Daisy, I'm so angry. I'll handle this one. I'm karma. Hold on.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm calmer now. Get over here, Danny.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I'd like to have a good night because I have the best night when you're having a good night. So I hope that you have a good night. Night. It's me. Good natured, Keith. I've been in plays in high school.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm not going to let it ruin my night. So Chase and Danny show up and everything. So everyone goes to dinner and everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've got to stop doing Daisy because I'm getting legit cockeyed. I can feel my face. I'm going to have like a mini stroke Bell's palsy situation making that face. And it's going to get stuck like that. And that's going to be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't blame me for it. It's not my fault that you don't have the passion to keep your face. Face straight.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to walk around like this in life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, look, Daisy's got three different guys pining after her, so maybe there's something to it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She does. She really does. She's got some kind of magic there. So let's see. So then cl, you know, cuz Daisy's still like, that was the worst charger I've ever done. And CL is like, I think you did an incredible job, all things considered. She's like, you're very sweet little one. And he's like, I like the psychology of an older lady. Yeah. That's why I would kill him if he said that about me.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, so yeah, I'm a bit flirty with Daisy. When I was 17, I met a girl at the swing club.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't. Can we stop at the swing club?

[Ben Mandelker]

Lind. Her name was Lindy. And she hopped.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was 23 at the time and.

[Ben Mandelker]

We had a little thing and eventually came down to the fact that she wanted to get married and ultimately it didn't like work out. But I remember on our first date she had to like come to my house to pick me up and she was like, oh my God, this is legal. And I was like, not yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Daisy is like, cheers to being better. She's talking, they're ordering drinks and food and stuff. And she goes, we're not perfect, everyone. We're human. And it's hard to be self aware and to know what your flaws are and then to hear them back. And you're like, yeah, I know my flaws. And it's kind of double edged because she could be talking about Dany too. So Dany, who's not winning this war, she's been trying to start a whisper campaign and it's not working. So then she's a little defensive and she's like, actually, I hate fart. I hate farting. I thought she was saying farting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Farting.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I actually hate farting, but when somebody hurts my feelings or disrespects my boundaries to say something hurtful, what did she say to hurt your feelings, disrespect your boundaries, or that was hurtful to you? Not one. You cannot name one thing, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

But the fact is that like, really, I listened to this like three times and the first two times I really thought she said farting, not fighting. And when you hear this entire sentence, this entire paragraph as a, as a commentary about when and when she doesn't fart, it's pretty hilarious. I actually hate farting. But when someone hurts my feelings or disrespects my boundaries or says something hurtful, I will let you know about it, but I won't fart for the sake of farting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Disrespect her boundaries. She's farting on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

My farting is very intentional. Like, I'm making a statement about how I feel about you when I fart.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's when that's the one. We know that she and Gary are definitely not compatible because she can only fart. She can only com. Fart at you when you've hurt her feelings. And Gary will just fart on you to show his love. You know, they have an incompatible fart love language.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're. They're not fart compatible, but they're not twin farts. But I will say that she says this thing about fighting. She's like, well, I hate fighting. Like, you know, I'm not gonna fight unless I'm not gonna fight for the sake of fighting. And it's just like silence, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

And everyone just kind of ignores her because she's obviously trying to start a fight. And Daisy's like, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ben Mandelker]

We then cut to Glenn in bed watching a telenovela. Was he crying when he was watching it?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, he was watching it. And the guy's like, I can't be with you, Maria, because I am your brother. And he goes, whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

He thought that he was crying, which I think is really sweet.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

He might have been. It could have been all the other.

[Ronnie Karam]

That shit was hilarious. I was cracking up at this, watching the telenovela. So Gary is talking to Keith and asking him about what's up with Daisy. And Keith's like, I don't know. At first it was more decided she was being a really good friend. But I think more recently, like last charter, it evolved. I was Going to ask you, Gary, because I know you guys have history, so I have musical theatre history, you know, you can't get a man with a gun is what I always say. So I value both of you a lot. Last thing I want is to have a friendship out the window because I hook up with something like that, you know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna keep lifting my hands and my arms in question pose like I'm saying a question.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, if you guys hook up, I won't feel bad about it. I'm all for it. I'm absolutely, really, really happy if you hook up with Daisy. My Daisy, sweet as the summer breeze. What was that? What were you saying? I'm sorry, I sort of fell into a fugue state there.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we all know that this means Gary is going to go into full guilt mode with Daisy. Like, how could she let their relationship go like this? So now Cloys is flirting with Daisy because she paid for dinner. And we all know Cloyce is a cheap ass because the only time he almost cried this chart, this whole season is when he had to pay the bill. So he loves a woman who pays for dinner. And he's like, so, Daisy, this is at the club now. He's like, daisy, I just couldn't help but notice you noticing me noticing you. I just saw those kind of cataract eyes of yours, kind of bluish gray, just kind of looking off to the distance like you couldn't see anything. But then suddenly seeing me and thinking, is that a train? It turns me on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, you're very endearing. And I wish I were more like you when I took criticism, you know, dumb and American.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, so you tawny dick little foul face. That was a good one.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Keith outside, then some of them go outside and Keith is like, well, I'm very into you, Daisy. Well, I will say that I like that you're into me. Oh, well, I feel like we have such a good. We've become such good friends and then it evolved from there. Yes, and I like you too. I think you're the kind of person I've never met before. Like, not farting in my face and slurring your words and just being a disgusting scab of a human. Sorry, Gara, no offense, I'll never Ya.

[Ronnie Karam]

That'S all I heard. And Keith is like, I'll take it. And to be honest with you, I'm very into you. You're a good vibe. You're fun. I want to see you after this. Well, I feel the same way. I really do enjoy your company. Are we done here? He's like, let's kiss. I'm like, how does Daisy win? Like this. I love that. Daisy is a chain smoking drunkard, you know, and she's got three dudes after her. She's just fully making out with him with wine and cigarette breath. Good for you, Daisy. Daisy's my fucking hero after this episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is a hero. She really is.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's an international treasure.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I like them. Dare I make the pun? I ship them.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I do actually, I want to. I mean, I'd like Keith, but Daisy, she needs somebody more exciting than Keith. I just. She looks like Tyler when she's with Keith. She looks like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think, I think, I think that I just am always happy when Daisy makes out with someone. I think, I think I was like, oh, my God, Daisy and Colin. That's so cute. I think I was like that last season and we saw how that turned out. So I just, Yeah, I just like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Comes to life when she's with Gary in a way that I haven't seen her come to life with other people. So that's what I'm basing it on. So let's see here. Then of course, Chloe sees it and he's bummed. And then now it's time to go back to the boat and Daisy's telling Gary, of course, who already knows is like, daisy was the most fun. Was the best part of your night, Daisy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I kissed the Keith and I liked it. This is name starts with Kate. Yeah. Did you not hear my parody song? Oh, sorry about that. So, yeah, yeah, you kissed Keith, didn't you? Reverse, reverse.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes, she's like, yeah, I kissed someone. It was nice. I'm so tired. Goodbye. And Diana's like, yeah, you've had the beat of a roller coaster. She goes, I have had a bit of roller coasters. Thank you for acknowledging that I'm going to bed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you for acknowledging I've been emotionally to Magic Mountain. So close to like, it's kind of funny to have that vibe transferred. But whatever, I'm along for the ride.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Chase and Danny go to bone. There's a lot of butt slapping and sounds and that was my favorite one when he just slaps her butt and she goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was very almost Elphaba.

[Ronnie Karam]

Commercial.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gary is hooking up with Key. Oh, Gary is talking. He's so. He's making fun of Daisy being like, oh, you're hooking up with Keith. And she's like, is that okay with you? And he's like, hey, tell me you wanted to be just with colleagues, and that's what we're going to be is what colleagues? I just didn't think you were gonna hook up with someone so soon. Oh, I'm hurt, Gary.

[Ben Mandelker]

G. So Claus is like, keith, that was it. He's like, what? And Diana's like, the keys. Are you all right, Cloy? See? And Chloe's like, yeah, I'm great. And Diana's like, I actually feel bad for Cloyes. If he really liked her, I get it. Because I've been in that situation with Danny, that and Chase. It's just. I'm gonna call up Vladimir and see what he can do about situation.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Daisy is talking with Keith, and she's like, you know that Gary and I have a very complicated. He farts on my face. I tell him I'm gonna murder him. I put Drano in his drinks. He barfs a little bit. We make out, we hate each other again. We start each other's houses on fire, you know, that sort of thing. And Keith is like, I find that intriguing. She's like, oh, all right. Well, he's not okay with us kissing. He says he's okay with us kissing, but he's not. He's like, I'd love to hear about your Gary drama.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, all right, here's what I'm trying to. Here's what I'm trying to say. Gary's trying to pretend to be sober. He's already fallen off the wagon five times. I just want to be when he falls off for the sixth time. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I can't be distracted by you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, all right, let's make out. And she's like, you're still going to make out with me. He's like, love it. So she's. She's into it, you know? She's like, he's got self confidence. I like that. So. And I can still bitch about Gary every day, and he's not going to mind. I mean, win, win.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Gary and Davide are in the hot tub, and Davide is like, so what do you think about Daisy and Keith? And Gary is like, well, I just don't understand, bro. I do not understand it. He's like, I can't believe she would actually be attracted to or would make out with someone who doesn't treat her like total garbage. And Daisy is basically like, well, coming off the breakup With Colin, I think I learned a lot, and I think he deserves honesty from me. And Keith is very secure in himself. He was in plays in high school, so I think that says a lot. He's just so emotionally stable.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gary is doing his whole, like, well, she's made it very clear, which is work colleagues. But I have such feelings for Daisy, which I'm not falling for for two seconds. So then Daisy and Keith make out in bed, and then Gary and Daisy wake up the next day, and he's like, are you gonna have a little chat this morning? And he's like, I just want good vibes for the rest of the season. And she's like, oh, God, if someone came at me, and I was absolutely awful and led me to tears, that's what you care about, is me making up on her?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Dan is incredibly manipulative, and you're playing into her manipulation. And Gary's like, yeah, well, maybe I am, and maybe that's why I want you two guys to sort it out. Probably take her for an ice cream and a chat for her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Absolutely not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Take her for taking a fucking toddler for a little treat. Absolutely not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gary.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not taking enough ice cream. Not. Not for one second, not one sprinkle, not one smidgen of fudge. She gets no ice cream. Not from me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'll get planned for that, bitch. So then Daisy passes by the girls, and she goes, dani, do you know what you're doing, or do you need some directions? She's like, we know. Just good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fucking moron.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Diana turns. Diana goes, well, I hope the energy gets better. And. No, I think Dany says that, right? Dany says, like, I hope the energy gets better. And Diana's like, well, our energy's up there. She goes, no, our energy is good, but her energy. I was like, oh, shut up. You did what you wanted and it didn't work. Okay, just stop. Yeah, you're like. You're really wanting to this girl who you just jumped on the peen that she wanted after jumping on every other peen that she wanted for the whole season. And you really think she's gonna jump on your side? No, ma'am. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So Chase is, like, talking. Joking with Keith about making out, Daisy and stuff. Stuff. And he is like, yeah, well, maybe it'll be another one. And Chase is like, well, has Gary said anything to you? And he was like, yeah, no, I spoke to Gary before, and he was like, no. Good. We all have our histories, but it's all good. He's like, well, I will tell. You know, I'll tell you. Him giving you the go ahead doesn't exactly mean what he says. He's like, really? He's like, yeah. And we see a flashback to Colin asking Gary if he was okay if he pursued Daisy. And Gary be like, absolutely. No problem whatsoever. I absolutely will not undermine this relationship in any sort of way.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Keith is just like, good to know. So then he's like, yeah, I don't want to piss off my boss, but I like Daisy. There's something there. And so he's like, daisy's her own woman. And Chase is like, we're all incestuous, disgusting pigs at the end of the day, huh? And Keith goes, we're all just winky cousins, eh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Winky cousins. So then, now it's time for a preference sheet meeting. Okay, everyone, the primary. Her name is Detox, and this is a world famous drag queen superstar from Chicago. She's thrilled to finally be taking a vacation. And she's bringing along her sister Heather, along with fellow drag queen Lola lacroix and three other friends. Her friend Mark is an adult film director. It's his first time back in Ibiza. Hey, why are you guys funny? Someone make a joke about King.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh. So Detox has a million followers. That's crazy. 1.1 million followers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was detox on RuPaul?

[Ronnie Karam]

Huh? On RuPaul season five and All Stars season two or three. I can't tell because there's an exclamation point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

The founder of Fluorescence Supplements. Who was that? What does that do supplements about our ingredients? I can't read all that. Have you gotten your 10 serving bottle of After Party yet? When you're doing Dry January, but your bestie asks you if you want to get $8 espresso martinis. What's fluorescence? I need to know what it is. I'll take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm asking. So my friend who's like obsessed with RuPaul Drag Race, I'm saying, do you have any thoughts on Detox asking? They will be. They will be aired on Watch a Crappin.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Glenn's like, well, this is a famous drag superstar thrilled to finally be taking a vacation. She's bringing along her sister Heather, along with fellow drag queen Lola lacroix and three other friends. Her friend Mark is an adult film director. It's his first time back. And wait, why is that funny? And they're just cracking up and they're like, oh, my God, porn. Porn. He's A porn star? No, he directs it. He says, go in, go out, go in, go out.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess I'm in the wrong industry. You should have seen that telenovela last night. It was pretty close. So Gary says one day the guests would like to enjoy all the boat has to offer before dinner. That will blow their minds. So that way they can make many puns about blow jobs. And Daisy goes, oh, at Fortnite 2, they want an intergalactic metallic themed everything. After, they hope to bring some of the crew with them for a night in the town. So Gary's like, yeah, bb. So they're gonna figure that all out and everything. And that's the plan for. For this charter.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Keith and Daisy are hanging out in the galley and. Or not the galley, but, like, the snack room or whatever. And he's asking where Chase slept last night. And she says that he was in one of the guest cabins. And he's like, oh, I thought that was a big. No, no. They're the ones that clean it. What do I care? And listen, one thing I trust Danny with is clean. And like, how do you not care when you know it's Danny? She's probably leaving fluids all over the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Place in there, but I'm seriously concerned, taking away the privilege. And Keith is like, really? She's like, I just need to calm down. I need to talk to her. And Keith is like, well, I lost my passion for yachting because of you. I don't know how I'm going to continue in the industry. You're such a negative boss. I guess he's just, like, making fun of Danny. So there's. He goes, all right, all right, Danny, it's time. It's time to have our talk. Okay, let's just sit down here. All right, you sit there, I'll sit here. We're gonna have a nice, calm chat where I'm going to inspire you and bring back passion into your life. Okay, here we go. So I'm taking the time to reflect on what you've spoke to me about yesterday. And I know we're tired and emotions are running high, and yes, of course I want to finish the season strong. So thank you for coming and speaking to me about it. I think you're a great stew. I think you're a great asset to the team, and I. I think you're also the biggest idiot I've ever met in my life. Get off the boat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. I was doing so good. Strike that last part, however, saying that it's not my Job to create passion in you, you dumb little hooker. I was like, all right, there we go. But she actually stayed pretty strong. She did the whole, like, started off easy, and then she just ripped her. And she was like, you know, I'm not going to create passion in you. And you saying that this season's only carrying on because you have initiatives, that's very undermining. And yes, we fucked. We get fucked up charters, but that's not fair to put on me. And to say that you feel hard done by, I'm really not okay with it. I'm your manager. I'm good at my job, and I think it's important for you to understand your rank. I've given you extra liberties, like letting you. Do you want to get off from the. And then that's when Danny's like, I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. Please don't take away my, you know, my splooge.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, she's like, oh, you're not feeling passion. Well, so you're not going to be feeling an orgasm too, if you don't get it together. Understand your rank, little person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So you're going to be having some. Some closet if you don't. If you don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Apologize really quick. So she's like, I'm so sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She literally like, yeah, No, I mean, I'm grateful for all the things you do, but yeah. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Please don't take away my. The Castro privileges. I need the dick. I need it so badly in ways you don't even understand. She's like, that's okay. Okay. I know it's a high intensity environment, at least for those of us who actually do the work, and I appreciate the apology. Hopefully we can go forward and finish this season strong.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please don't take away my penis. She's like, all right, get off me now. So then she's like, I think Danny lost sight of what her role is. She's here to do beds and heads and set the table. If I allow her to. She's like, ooh, I'm gonna cut off her sex life and her artistic passion.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Almost the same thing. So Danny's like, I think Daisy hates me because I'm a threat to a position. Okay, lady, you are not. Okay, let's. Can we have this lady just walk the plank at this point? I mean, come on, Danny. A threat to the position. Whose position? I don't know what position. She's a Threat to. But it's definitely not Daisy's.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no. She's got three guys after her. You have one who probably would still be after her. Given. Given five minutes, you know, because he hasn't let up on Diana yet either, by the way. Yeah, so I love that, by the way. That's another thing we didn't mention is Chase does his. Like, I'm just a flirt with girls, but it's really only Diana and Danny. He's not doing it with Daisy or anybody else. So. Yeah, I don't know that I'd feel so secure over there, Danny. So then, yeah, I think he's still keeping those options open and who can blame him, you know? So then Keith is in the mess with Glenn and he's looking over the preference sheet, cracking up, and he's like, Mark is an adult filmmaker. Then his first time back since filming an award winning adult movie. This is his IMDb sweet meat. You asked for it. Train my hole. And you're in Ibiza. Here it is. It's called. Called is spelled. You're in urine. You're in a pizza.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, first of all, I admire the word play. I. I mean, look, there was a show called Urinetown, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it wasn't like trying to say something. It wasn't like a pun. It was literally, you're in town.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it just, it's. Listen, everyone has different kinks. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna king shame. But I do think it's funny that someone's like, I want to get off tonight. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're in Ibiza. That's. That's going to be how I get there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just getting so tired of watching people pee on each other in like local places. There's people peeing on each other in Ibiza. Yes. Boner.

[Ben Mandelker]

So changing to the whites. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

The.

[Ben Mandelker]

The guests are coming on board and. Which means cue the raunchy puns. So Detox comes on and she's like, daisy, are you gonna be able to come out with us? I don't know. Yeah. What? Well, I'll have to talk to Glenn. What's the best way to convince him to let some of you guys come out with us? And Lola goes anal.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're like, of course.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, that literally makes no sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what you have to say, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

But that's in gay. Honestly, when you're around a bunch of gays, you just say anal. Like when there's like a question mark, you answer with Anal. And then just. It always, like. It just always looks.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's just how we are, you know? I wish I could say me and my gays were better. We are not. We are not.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are not better than that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm always like, oh, my God. So cross. But then when we get around the gays, it's like, who. What does anyone want for dinner? Anal. Has anyone checked the mail? Anal.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Keith is like, so we all getting dragged for this charter. And Davide is like, I actually won a competition back in the day. Men dressed like women. Women dress like men. I was hot. I was hot. I was young, 18, 17. There were people watching, cheering, urinating on me, filming it. I just smashed it. What can I say? And then we see a picture of it, and it's so cute. It's just. It was like, such, like, boy drag, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

But it was weird that they put up the picture of Glenn in an Afro first. I was like, excuse me. I guess, wrong photo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why did you dress like Bea Arthur in Mod? This is the wrong photo. That is Glenn O.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that the mom from Miss. Mr. Belvedere. Oh, sorry. I submit the wrong photo to production.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're like, well, what did you win? And he goes, I can't remember. Probably some free ice creams. I'm Italian.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're not taking Danny for ice cream. Sorry, different subject, different type of ice cream. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then now it's time to sell, guys. And meanwhile, the gays are eating fruit. A fruit trail. Great. And one of them's like, oh, my God, this fruit tastes like garlic. And Lola's like, garlic. Oh, my God. Let me try it. This tastes like anal.

[Ben Mandelker]

So turns out the fruit was cut on the same cutting board that a red onion was cut on earlier. So. Because Cloy was like, I haven't. I haven't cut with. I haven't cut with garlic at all today. But then he remembered there was an onion. And then he tells us, after last night, I feel like I'm not in the right headspace. Okay, don't blame Danny choosing Keith on your. You cannot. I'm sorry. You cannot blame your bad cooking on Danny and Keith. I'm not Danny. Daisy. Daisy and Keith.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but he does. But he takes ownership kind of behind their backs. So then Lola's like, I really want that dragon fruit. Need it. So the new plate of fruit comes, and Danny's like, you know, everything was cut with a new board and a new knife, so I'm hoping for the best. If not, it's probably the fruit. Well, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, the fruit wasn't inspired to be passionate by Daisy, so apologies for that. We're having a little bit of an issue with leadership on this boat. So. So they. Yeah, they're. They. They sail. It's fun. Then they. They stop sailing and they start doing water toys and everything. And Daisy has Diana to set up for dinner and everything. And Cloy is putting together dinner. He's not sure what it's gonna be just yet, but meanwhile, Danny is like, did Daisy say we have. We have to. We have to. What is. What is that? We have to hurt them? I don't know, but we have to do something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, are we letting her do this one? And Diana's like, well, I mean, she was doing it. She was putting it down. And she's like, well, it looks like a grimo. So then the guests sit for dinner, and Cloy is making croquettes. And he's like, little Spain, as we know, is famous for croqueta. You have Spanish spice lemon aioli. Enjoy. And so he hasn't brought one yet. He's behind with one, but he gets one back. And Lola is not liking it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I want to say one thing. So when Lola is out of drag, Lola was, like, very funny. And, like, Lola was like, I'm so sorry. We have, like, a million suitcases. I'm so sorry. Like, he was, like, being, like, funny and so nice, the staff and everything. And like, he was just, you know, fun gay. And then the moment that he got into drag, he became a terror.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

He just became then, I should say she then became, like, awful. And she was like this croqueta. This is basically a mozzarel. Like, fancy mozzarella. I'm like, yeah, it's delicious. Now, was it a very elegant presentation? Absolutely not. It was like three giant fried balls on a plate. This was not like a high end relation. What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

There was mayoli.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was an Ailey. But would I have ate the fuck out of those things? Absolutely, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was kind of embarrassed for Lola because that was actually a good thing to serve. Like, I don't think he was out of pocket serving them croquettes. Like, that's crazy. And then they look great. And she looked kind of stupid being calling it a mozzarella stick. I felt I was like, no, you poor thing. Like, you may be rich, but you're still kind of trashy in this area. But I will say I agree with you that it was so funny watching her go from. From man to woman and then becoming such a. Because there is something about power. You know? It's like when you get so much power so fast, you don't really know what to do with it. Because I'll tell you this. That is a beautiful woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, oh, my God, she looked.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like Jenny McClellan when she came out. I was like, who is that? She is fucking gorgeous. That is amazing. The other one, Detox, that wig didn't fit. That one was a mess. But this one, I was like, damn.

[Ben Mandelker]

I liked Detox because Detox decided to. I don't know if this was intentional, but Detox came out to dinner looking like Angelica Houston.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, she was an Angelica Houston drag queen. I was like, I don't think I've ever seen that. That's so bold. I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I so appreciate that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she looked great in this outfit. But the one that she was in earlier, when she was wearing, like, the kind of Patsy stone blonde hair, the. You know, her other hair was shiny, coming through on the bottom and stuff, I was like, okay, this one's a little messy, but, man, Lola. Damn, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

But Lola, yeah, Lola came out looking like 1997 Jenny McCarthy and was just, like, on one, like, she was not happy once she became Lola. And she's like, it's. This is like a cheese stick in ball.

[Ronnie Karam]

Form.

[Ben Mandelker]

Form, which was totally dismissive of basically, you know, the croquette. And Daisy's like, I pass it along. What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

And cheese sticks. And Daisy was like, you know, yeah, I'll pass. She's cracking up, though. She's like, I'll pass it along. And then the rest of the guests are like, no, this is actually amazing. She's like, no tax. But they're like, you're crazy. This is really good. So she leaves. She's like, I'm out of here. If we're gonna wait forever, I'm just leaving anyway. And they're like, what? What's wrong with Lola? So I thought there was going to be some story. Like, Lola was just going off the rails, and by the end, she'd be snorting coke off, you know, Captain Glenn's ass or something. I was like, something? Lola's going down.

[Ben Mandelker]

But there was like. And then there was, like, a guy in, like, a sheer shirt who was like. He just was obsessed with making jokes about how young Cloy was. He's like, is he up past his bedtime? Is he allowed to even talk to us? Does he have his homework to do. He's got to do some algebra. Where's dinner? Is he watching the Flintstones? Change his diaper. Come on, guys. Come on. Yes. And me. Someone, please. I can't be the only one.

[Ronnie Karam]

The first two were kind of cute, but then it got to be like, you sad old queen. You know what I mean? Like, just stop. Like, you're literally so Botox and so filled up and so sucked up on everything that you're trying to be young that when you see an actual young person, you're this mean to them. It's just weird. Like, you can't be this mean and steal their spinal fluid later. So pick a lang. You know what I mean? Be smarter.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Chlo is like. He's so. Next, he brings out, like, an arugula salad. And. And so they're going to. And then they're going to, like, do some smoking or whatever. Like, smoking the next thing. And so he's basically. The arugula salad goes over better. They're like, oh, my God, he's still in diapers, and he knows what arugula is. Am I right, guys? Am I right? He's young. Anyone? Anyone? So then Cloy is. Is. Then for the next one, CL is going to do a thing where he has, like, closures over all the. All the dishes, but he's going to fill them with smoke. But the smoking machine is, like, broken, so they're waiting. And at first I was like, okay, whatever. Like, nine minutes between courses is not, like, the end of the world. But then it gets to be 15, 16, 17, and then it's like, oh, my God. Come on, hurry up, hurry up. We got to get the food out to them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dun, dun, dun. He's very consistent in his inconsistencies. And at this point in the season, I need someone that I can depend on. Does anybody know someone I can depend on? Anal. And that brings us to the end of Below Deck Sailing. Yawn. Good episode. Really good. Daisy Under Fire episode. I enjoy it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it looks like next week's episodes can get real messy when Gary's vow of sobriety hits a bit of a speed bump when he goes out on the town with the crew. I mean, with the guests in Ibiza. So that I'm sure is going to be a spicy episode. Looking forward to that. Thanks again to everyone for listening. Be sure to go vote now that Daisy is on the ballot. Go give Daisy some love. Love. And. And get your tickets to come see us at the Crappies. See you on the next One Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

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