#2682 RHOSLCS5E15 + Sold on SLC Part One: For The Record

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2682: RHOSLCS5E15 + Sold on SLC Part One: For The Record

Release Date: January 9, 2025
Host/Authors: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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1. Introduction: Navigating Real-Life Crappens

Ben Mandelker opens the episode by addressing recent wildfires devastating Los Angeles. Sharing personal anecdotes, he recounts his experience evacuating from Hollywood to Oceanside due to the raging flames at Runyon Canyon. Ben humorously notes their temporary stay at the same hotel used by the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills during their notorious "Duck Duck Goose" episode. He shares light-hearted observations, such as Tom Cruise's nearby property being transformed into a pastry cafe named "Top Bun."

[02:39] Ben Mandelker: "I literally saw the Tom Cruise house... they've converted the Top Gun house into like, a pastry cafe that you go."

Ronnie Karam empathizes, highlighting the emotional toll of witnessing such natural disasters and expressing concern for vulnerable populations, including seniors displaced from their facilities.

[03:18] Ronnie Karam: "Everyone was just... in their hospital gowns... I just felt so bad for... these elderly people."

2. Addressing Public Sentiment and Online Abuse

The hosts discuss the influx of supportive messages and, unfortunately, some offensive remarks aimed at Californians facing wildfires. Ben passionately condemns hurtful comments blaming residents for the disasters, reinforcing the importance of empathy during crises.

[07:17] Ben Mandelker: "Why would you ever send something like that? Get a life and go throw yourself into the wildfire."

Ronnie echoes Ben's sentiments, vehemently rejecting derogatory remarks linked to political or environmental blame games.

[08:04] Ronnie Karam: "Liberals blaming global warming. Go yourself. How about that?"

3. Transition to Bravo Drama: Recapping "Salt Lake City"

Shifting gears, Ben introduces the main content of the episode: a recap of a particularly chaotic episode from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and their bonus segment, "Sold on SLC." They tease potential extensions of the recap due to the episode's complexity and announce upcoming live tours and events related to their podcast.

[08:48] Ben Mandelker: "We are going to touch on Sold on SLC after the SLC recap on this episode... it's going to be amazing."

4. Deep Dive into "Salt Lake City" Episode Drama

a. The Coffee Maker Incident

The hosts kick off their recap with Brittany's struggle to operate a Keurig coffee maker, setting a tone of incompetence that foreshadows the ensuing drama.

[12:40] Ronnie Karam: "I could watch Britney try to work that Keurig for an entire season of shows like Give the Woman a Spin Off."

b. Dinner Table Tensions

A dinner scene unfolds where Lisa grapples with emotional fallout from previous interactions, leading to confrontations involving Bronwyn. Meredith aggressively questions Heather about her behavior, revealing deep-seated tensions within the group.

[14:01] Ben Mandelker: "She's like, 'so today I came up the boat, and I did not feel super close to you...'"

c. Britney's Secret Recording Scandal

The centerpiece of the episode's drama is Britney allegedly recording her friends without consent. This act sparks outrage, with cast members accusing her of betrayal and manipulation. Britney's attempts to justify her actions—claiming she was filming scenery—only exacerbate tensions.

[17:32] Ronnie Karam: "How dare you insinuate those things. That's right, girls."

d. Confrontations and Accusations

As revelations surface, Meredith confronts Britney about her recording, leading to a heated exchange filled with insults and accusations of dishonesty. The situation escalates when Britney's recorded footage is played, showcasing raw and unfiltered conflicts among the cast.

[20:53] Ben Mandelker: "After I introduced him to AirPods, he got very confused and put two Werther's Originals in his ears."

e. ATVs and the Collapsing Bridge

The drama continues with the group embarking on an ATV adventure that leads them to a precarious, untested bridge. While most cast members are anxious, Meredith remains unfazed, highlighting her detached demeanor amidst chaos.

[51:13] Ronnie Karam: "She's like, avoid wind. It will destroy you."

f. Emotional Fallout and Resentment

Post-ATV trip, the group gathers for lunch where unresolved tensions boil over. Britney grapples with guilt over betraying her friends' trust, while others express frustration and disappointment in her actions. The episode concludes with Heather attempting to mediate, only to further complicate alliances within the group.

[54:04] Ronnie Karam: "I have supported you, I've defended you. This is an indefensible thing."

5. Themes Explored

Throughout the recap, Ben and Ronnie emphasize themes of trust, betrayal, and the complexities of maintaining friendships under pressure. They highlight character flaws such as manipulation, dishonesty, and the struggle for personal redemption within the group dynamic.

[36:10] Ben Mandelker: "Don't record your friends when they're fighting in a sprinter van on a girls trip if you're not Bravo."

6. Conclusion and Teaser for Part Two

As part one wraps up, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the emotional turbulence depicted in the episode, setting the stage for a continuation of their analysis and commentary in the forthcoming part two.

[66:32] Ronnie Karam: "This is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker (00:59): "For those who may not know truly what's going on, there's like wildfires all over Los Angeles. It's like a hellscape. It's so incredibly scary."

• Ronnie Karam (03:18): "I just have to keep my... hand on your shoulder right now while I'm standing here?"

• Ben Mandelker (17:32): "She's implying that I would cut a lemon without my entire family presence. It's enough and it needs to stop."

• Ronnie Karam (54:04): "I've supported you, I've defended you. This is an indefensible thing."

• Ben Mandelker (36:10): "Don't record your friends when they're fighting in a sprinter van on a girls trip if you're not Bravo."

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Final Thoughts

In this episode, Ben and Ronnie adeptly blend personal anecdotes with their signature comedic critique of Bravo’s dramatic portrayals. They navigate between real-world events and the fictional turmoil of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, offering listeners both empathy for those affected by natural disasters and an incisive, humorous take on reality TV drama. Part one serves as a comprehensive overview, promising more in-depth analysis and entertainment in the upcoming segment.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

Wondry plus subscribers can listen to Watch what Crappens ad free right now. Join Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Watch what Crappins. Watch what Crappins. Guess what happens when there's so much what crappens. Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all the crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is the one, the only and safely in Texas, Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. That was a harrowing evening. Jeez, that was a harrowing evening last night. Oh, my God, the whole night. That was some scary. I hope everybody's taking care of themselves in Los Angeles. What ended up happening with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

For those who. Who may not know truly what's going on, there's like, wildf all over Los Angeles. It's like a hellscape. It's so incredibly scary. Like, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, we talked about it yesterday, and the devastation has just continued. And just, like, hearts go out to everyone who has lost everything. Basically last night, I live in Hollywood, and the fire broke out at Runyon Canyon. And, like, where we live is relatively. We're relatively safe from that, but, like, not like the evacuation zone was just a little bit too close. And just were. We were concerned that if it expanded into where we are, that if we get out on the road to evacuate, like, everyone else would be doing it and we'd just be stuck on the road. And there were these horrific visuals the other day of people getting stuck in a traffic jam in trying to get out of Pacific Palisades. So then my cousin called up and he was like, hey, we're down in Oceanside, California. We. We're in a hotel. We'll book you if. Why don't you guys come down here, we'll book you a room. And we're like, you know what? Yes, we're going to do that. So we packed up our bags. My cousin booked us rooms. We drove down to this hotel. And of course, because this is Watch for Crappens and this is the way life is, we are currently in the hotel that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills stayed at when they played Duck Duck Goose. We are here. That same hotel next to the Tom Cruise house. Like, I literally saw the Tom Cruise house. Not Tom Cruise House, the Top Gun house this morning, which, by the way, they serve hand pies out of. They've turned. They've converted the Top Gun house into like, a pastry. Like, Cafe that you go. And yes, I will be getting a pastry from the Top Gun house later today. But I was like, of course this is lice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hell yeah. Is it called Top Bun?

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. I'm like, of course I evacuate wildfires and wind up on the set of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But in all seriousness though, I mean, you know, there's still. Winds are supposed to pick up again tonight. Like, it's still going to continue on. It's. It's so scary out of the woods. Yeah, I was very scary for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was over here just kind of watching it and then everybody's calling like, are you sure you're okay? Because, you know, no matter what's going on, my general attitude is like, like, what can you do? And it was on the yesterday as we were recording. It was on the west side and it was blowing west, which got Malibu. I mean, it got the palaces.

[Ben Mandelker]

It got so much. So crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. But everybody's telling me, no, don't worry where you, where your house is. It's not even close. I mean, when the wind's blowing west, there's no way it would make it that far east. And so I'm like, okay, you know, what can you do? And I'm just checking on my friends course all on group chats and stuff. So just checking in and I'm getting all these videos from people and I'm like, ah. And then before you know it, of course, look where it shows up. I'm putting a picture on for People On Demand. This is my house.

[Ben Mandelker]

The little house isn't running.

[Ronnie Karam]

And this is the fire. This is the fire, okay? This other fire down here, this is the Hollywood Hills fire that broke out. So it breaks out in Hollywood Hills. And I'm thinking, well, I'm still okay because it wouldn't jump the hill and move down. That's not how fires work. Right? And it did. So this was me. So I ended up sitting on that ring cam because I have a ring cam that faces the hills. So I'm watching the helicopters go over my house and pour water because it was down the street. It was like a mile and a half down. So I was. Saw what they were doing through the ring cam and I'm just sitting there watching. Like, are you kidding? Am I going to watch my house burn down two weeks after I finished it on the ring cam? This is so me because, you know, I lived in New York for 911 and I happened to be visiting Texas when 911 happened. I wasn't. I wasn't in New York. So when I finally got to travel back, because there were travel bans and all this. So when I finally got to come back, we lived in Brooklyn on Kent Avenue, right across from the World Trade center, right across the river. So that was. That was it. That was like I came back to just devastation and that smoldering still. And I mean, it was just crazy. And I was like, wow, I'm just repeating history. I don't even know the idea of what it's going to look like when I come back. But the pictures and the videos are just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's. It's horrifying. So sad. Shocking to think that the town of Pacific Palisades is just like. That entire downtown area has been reduced to ash. It's crazy. The videos of people driving through that. And then Eden Canyon, everything happening over there. I watched some really heartbreaking footage of like, a whole senior, like, facility where all the seniors had to be moved out. And they're all sitting in a, like a 711 parking lot. And they were just in their hospital gowns and some of them were on hospital beds or in their wheelchairs and was cold. And I just felt so bad for, you know, these. These elderly people who, you know, and the air is so terrible. And luckily, like, people came out and then they were. They were safe. Everyone was. The good part was I was safe. But it just sort of, you know, we have so many vulnerable citizens and, you know, we were fortunate in that we were able to come down here, but other people are not fortunate. And so it's just. It's so scary. I'm so glad your house is okay. The fire that broke out near you was actually, like, extinguished, I think, or it was like, contained very quickly, which was like a rare. Felt like a rare win. And then I also seen on the Internet and I have not verified.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just all those thoughts that are going through your head at first because I can't tell. I'm on the app. So I'm just seeing, okay, well, there's another one because they're popping up all over the place. So the map was just like, okay, well, I'm surrounded. Because they were in Pasadena or Altadena, rather. And then. So that's to the east, and then they were to the west, and then they were to the south. And it's like, oh, Jesus. You know, and so when this popped up right there, I was like, well, yeah, fucked. You know, so it's just watching it and writing it out. Just spending the night talking to Friends and making sure everything's okay. So. And everybody is okay. Everything is not okay, but making sure everybody. It's so scary seeing, you know, what we can do to help each other. I had two friends, like, go move to my house. And then they couldn't do that because, you know, then this happened. So it was. It's nuts. So, you know, everybody bless you. And, you know, we record this show when national, when natural disasters are going on all around you and us and what. No matter what it is. So we're going to do the same today, honestly. So when in pain, so many people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Reached out to us and really, like, thank you so much. We are very, both very fortunate. One person did tweet at us and said, like, well, California wanted this to happen. And then I say you. I immediately. I immediately yourself. Who the do you think you are? And don't like. Why would you ever say that to anyone, whether it's California, whether it's in any of the states that are, like, dealing with horrific, horrific natural disasters which are happening more and more frequently. Why would you ever send something like that? Get a life and go throw yourself into the wildfire. How about that? But to everyone else, thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Liberals blaming global warming. Go yourself. How about that? Go yourself long and hard. Like, who says that? Who says like that while somebody losing their houses are.

[Ben Mandelker]

Our people are losing their houses. And, you know, luckily, luckily it has not turned into like a crazy casualty event, but people have died. And so, like, you know, go fuck yourself. Person on Twitter who I. Yeah, seriously, yourself.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fuck yourself long and hard in a bad way. You know, the good news and, you know, the rest of you who are fucking yourselves in a good way, you're fucking something good that we all need that right now. So, yeah, so our hearts go out, you know, obviously to everybody. And does it seem kind of macabre that we come here and laugh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we do.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we are going to continue. And yes, that's what we're. Gallows humor is coping mechanisms. That's what we're doing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mechanisms as we will probably discuss later on. You know, people have different coping mechanisms. So today we're talking, obviously we're recapping, by the way, a totally bonkers, of course, episode of Salt Lake City. And we had been recapping Sold on SLC as our bonus episode. But as people say, our dance card is very full. We have so many shows with the traders coming back. So what we're going to do is we are going to touch on Sold on SLC after the SLC recap on this episode and because by the way, the sold on SLC episode was great and so it was amazing. It was really wonderful. So for those who've been who are.

[Ronnie Karam]

Going to this might be a 10 part episode. It might be what we're saying. So also we. I just got some golden shoes in the mail. Very excited for the golden crappies that are coming out, you know, coming up in a couple weeks on February 1st in New York City on Broadway. We've got a big Broadway show, so we know a lot of. We're almost sold out there. We cannot wait to come. If you haven't gotten your tickets, this is not one that you want to miss. It's going to be amazing. We're also starting this tour and a couple weeks before that, I mean, we're starting in a couple weeks, basically a week from tomorrow.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, right. Two weeks from tomorrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

No. Okay. Two weeks from tomorrow we start in San Francisco and then the next day we are in San Diego. And then the following week after, the crappies will be in Salt Lake City and Denver. So find your tickets for all of that at watch what crappens.com and that's also where you'll get video, which we're on today. So join us there. Thanks for your support, everybody. Let's get on with this recap of a brilliant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh my goodness. I mean, my goodness. If there was anything like, if you need a distraction from anything going on in this world, whether it's wildfires or not, turn to real houses of Salt Lake City. So we are in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talk about giving you hope. I mean, yesterday, our second recap that we did was Real Housewives of New York that came out this morning. And I was just a bitter, bitter. I was so horrible. I apologize to anybody who had to suffer through that. But, you know, like, we're watching the world burn down and we're talking about, about these vapid idiots, Brynn and Aaron. And I'm like, you know what? I can't take it. So I'm sorry, that probably wasn't very pleasant for you guys. And I was thinking this morning how I was checking the fire. You know, I was up all night, so I slept through the morning. So I woke up checking the fires and everything. And I was like, Aaron and Brynn. And I was like, you're more upset this morning about Aaron and Brynn than you are about a fire. I mean, does that say where my priorities are? I was still mad this morning.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, you've got, it's like Dumpster fire. What can you do? But believe it or not, I actually. I enjoyed the Roni episode. I mean, it was not an amazing episode, but for them, it was a pretty good episode, and that there was stuff to be interested in and be engaged in. So actually, I was all right with that episode, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's good. Listen, I'm happy that it brought my friends some happiness, you know? So thanks, Shel, but I don't need to open that can of worms. I'm just saying because I thought it was so funny that I was still. And I felt bad for doing such an angry recap. But then I watched this, and I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was like, but then you see how.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'S really done, you know? So we still got it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, Salt Lake City, so good. So we're on day three of Puerto Vallarta, the Puerto Vallarta trip, and we start with Brittany trying to turn on the coffee maker. She doesn't know how to do a Keurig, and I think that really does. We didn't realize it, but now saying it, it really sets the tone for the episode. It really says so much about Britney that all you have to do is drop a little thing into another little thing, and she can't do that. So it just really speaks of her ineptitude on all fronts.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could watch Britney try to work that Keurig for an entire season of shows like Give the Woman a Spin Off. That was the best I've ever seen. I rewound it. And was there milk in the Keurig? What kind of Keurig was that? I think there was milk.

[Ben Mandelker]

She probably poured milk in it. Knowing Britney, she probably did it. And then when this hotel staff was.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, ma'am, Jared likes lattes. I have an announcement. Jared likes lattes.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was like. Like, she probably called up the hotel, was like, I'm sorry, my Keurig isn't working. They're like, well, ma'am, you poured milk into it. You broke it. Okay, well, I just want to say something. Jared and I have been making coffee together. Like, ma'am, that has nothing to do with this situation.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Angie and Lisa and Bronwyn eating breakfast, and Bronwyn is saying, you know, how'd you sleep? I said, fine. Whatever. So then we go to Lisa, and she's like, you know, I didn't sleep great last because I took everything that was said at the dinner table, and I had to, like, work through it. And then it was really difficult for me. And just when I thought it Couldn't get any worse. At that dinner, Bronwyn came into my room and let me know that she was talking about me with Angie and Whitney and Heather. Fucking Bronwyn, man. Starts it and then goes to turn it on everybody else.

[Ben Mandelker]

Immediately. Immediately.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a little snake, man. What a little snake.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see a flashback of her. She's in her pajamas and she's in full. Full. She's in full frown nod mode, right? She's like, so today I came up the boat, and I did not feel super close to you, and I did not feel like everything was great after last night. So there was a conversation that I was a part of and where, like, not nice things were said, and I regret it, and I'm not happy about it. But, like, all you have to say. All you have to say is, listen, I felt bad. I went and I kind of talked about you afterwards. And I think I was reacting, like. But, like, she. She loops in everyone else, and I don't think that's fair. She should have just died on her own sword and then moved on. But she's like, no, I'm going to take accountability for this, and I'm also going to drag other people in who probably won't take accountability because they'll be blindsided, and they're gonna look like, well.

[Ronnie Karam]

But she also lied, which is her usual MO Which I know people still don't want to face in the fandom, but this woman is such a manipulator, and I love her. She is such a liar. She went back and took lies to her. That's not fair. You know, that's not fair. If she just told them we were talking, whatever, this is what we said, that's one thing. But she went and she lied about it. I mean, she is. She is the worst. But I have to say, I'm used to her now, so I was cracking.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Of course he did. You know? Of course she. So Lisa's like, you know what? We're gonna have a conversation about this, and it just sucks. We have to do it on HVs because, like, I. I googled luxury experience, and ATV came up. You know, I should have Googled, like, how to bury bitches.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honestly, maybe it's my own bias. I kind of feel like ATV writing sometimes leads to burying bitches. I don't know. I feel like everyone gets flung off them at all times. So then we cut to, have we.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not watched Real Housewives of Orange County?

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you not watched Invite Only Cabo? Excuse me. That's like, my main reference. When the girl got flung off that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, there are a lot of people flying off ATVs on this.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we cut to Mary, and she's in her room, and she's have. It's a nice moment where she basically is like, normally on a trip, I check on Robert, and I can't do that. And so it's, like, torturous. But at the same time, it's comforting knowing that he's somewhere that's safe, which is nice. And then we go to Heather. So we go to Heather's room, and Meredith walks in. Meredith is really on one this episode. I mean, she's always on one on vacation anyway, but she's really on one this episode, which is great. She's really. For someone who's really bothered by the rumor about her, she really does a great job of amplifying it and putting it in the center of this episode. So she's like. She's asking what Heather's gonna wear. And then she's like, well, by the way, I wanted to check in because, well, last night, what was a little odd was, you know, what was going on with Brittany. Her behavior towards me was weird last night. She kept being like, how are you feeling? How are you feeling? Which was just weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see a flashback where Britney's like, meredith, how are you doing? I heard you crying last night and throwing up and possibly slitting something. You okay? You okay? What's going on? What's going on? And so Meredith is like, well, I felt something was off there for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, the implications of Britney's statement seem to be that I have an eating disorder or that I'm bulimic or that I'm emotionally unstable or that I don't even know how to bring the airplane into the hangar for my toddler. It's enough and it needs to stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do people without strength cut one lemon with an entire family?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's implying that I would cut a lemon without my entire family presence.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like. And then what was so weird is that she went to everyone, right in front of everyone. She asked me, finding the sleeping pill. And I said, no, I don't need anything from you. I mean, are you talking? Are you kidding? It's like asking Big Pharma if they need a cold medicine. You know, if they need cold medicine. No, she doesn't need anything. She's got that running through her. Her veins.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you need. I mean, I don't take living pills. I mean, maybe two flight or something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, the fact that she did literally do that. She's like, I don't even take sleeping pills.

[Ben Mandelker]

Slurred, say, maybe two times a year, Maybe early this evening, I talk. You mind if I go take a little nap on your shoulder right now while I'm standing here?

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like. It seems like everyone thinks it's okay to talk behind me, behind my book, but I'm a woman now. I've just become a woman, so I will not stand for this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not a girl, but I'm not yet a woman, okay? And it seems like everyone thinks I have been bought.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mansfud. How dare you?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know. You know, it's not some. Everyone thinks it's okay to talk about me behind my back and spread lies and intimate things that are not true. And the thing is that when the same story keeps coming up, you know, sooner or later, people believe it. By the way, Angie, Greek mafia, am I right, everyone?

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, I freaking threw Angie out in support of her. And you threw Angie out because you wanted to and you had an excuse. And it was also the best episode of the season, so let's please not try and get any apologies for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

One of the best episodes of all time across all franchises, the Bat Mitzvah. So she's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

And now. So she's like, oh, so I'm unstable because I was on the phone sobbing with my husband because I was upset about slut shaming.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was crying because the slut shaming.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like that she dropped the slut shaming thing because I thought that. I wish she'd kept the slut shaming thing because I love that I was crying because there was so much slut shaming going on.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they're gonna. They all are hopping into the sprinter van to go to their ATVs, and, you know, they're sort of pattering. Brahm was talking about how she's like, whenever Todd sees something that I'm wearing, he's like, is that new? And I'm like, no, I've had it for a while. You just haven't seen it. He's like, no, I was talking about the iPhone. He's like, what is that thing? And I'm like, todd, Palm pilots are in 2002. Okay, time to get with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

One time he picked up a phone book, and he said, is this new? I said, no, Todd, there haven't been phone books for 20 years. Todd.

[Ben Mandelker]

One time he asked me why I was wearing such funny little Christmas ornaments in my ears. I said, Todd, they're called AirPods. Everyone has them.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I caught Todd having an emotional affair with somebody. You know how I caught him? He left papers in the fax machine. I said, todd, you left papers? He said, well, it was new technology. What the hell am I supposed to do about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

The best part is that after I introduced him to AirPods, he got very confused and put two Werther's Originals in his ears. Oh God. Required a visit. Urgent care to melt them out.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that you have a Werther's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Original every week ready for you know what's gonna come. Let's just get out of the way. Red top every week so that way I can say it 12 more times awkwardly. You know I love to kill a horse.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're like I am. Every time I saw my meme, I always made sure I was loaded up with the butterscotch. Every time it's time for a commercial, it's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so Bronwyn's. She's talking to Heather. So Heather's like, oh, that's an old tactic, right, girl? So Lisa's like, okay, I have questions. Okay, everybody. So Bronwyn brought something up last night. And everybody just looks at each other like, here we go. Here's another Bravo. Another sprinter Van Bronwyn. Drama.

[Ben Mandelker]

Drama for slc sponsored by Bronwyn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you guys had, like, a conversation with Bronwyn. Like, what did you all say about me? And Angie's like, well, what did she bring up? And Brahman goes, well, after dinner, I went into Lisa's room to make sure she was okay because she was crying at dinner. And I said to her I was upset about how the conversation went. And when I was talking about my marriage and we were not in a good place after I got off the boat, and we all talked about whether, you know, you were defending me or not. And Angie said, maybe everyone's mad. Mad at me like, that maybe I'd made this up or something like that. So, you know, and I.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's the lie. That's where she comes from.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I barely said anything of that bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry. You're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angie barely said anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. And then we see the flashback to what actually happened. And Brahm was saying, you guys, you saw last night, Lisa's much more supportive of Britney than me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Lisa and Meredith kind of stood up for Todd. Well, this is all. All this. Is he. This. Well, is this all he can do? I mean, what have you done to make him this way? Remember when they said that? And Angie's like, well, maybe she didn't take it as serious as it is. I don't know. I am Greek. And Bronwyn's like, so you don't think she believed me? She. You. You think she don't believe me? That's what you're saying?

[Ben Mandelker]

That is.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, she never fucking said that. But now you're saying that she said it because it came out of your mouth and kept nodding, so you affirmed it to yourself with your own fucking nod, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

And didn't she do this earlier? She affirmed it with her own nod. Didn't. Didn't she do this earlier this season about what was it where she, she, they were sitting at a table. Maybe it was at the, at the Audrey Hepburn thing where she's like, oh, maybe I'm like a snob now. She definitely did the same thing all the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's how, that's how she operates.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then confirms it to herself. And then that becomes the narrative so well.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she'll confirm it out loud, which is the funny thing. No one has learned that you have to jump on Bronwyn really fast and say, no, that's not what I'm saying. Because she's just nodding the whole time. And so she's like, assuming consent. It's the weirdest form of manipulation. And I'm gonna steal it too. Like her whole like, oh, so you're buying this, right? You're buying this for me, right? You like this on me? You love it on me. Great. You're sorry. Right? Great, great. Assumes that consent and it's. It's very tricky. Hilarious. And it works on these ding dongs for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Angie's like, okay, let's back up here. By the way, she actually, she goes, what do you mean transparent? Because Bronwyn says, I said, I want to be transparent always. What do you mean transparent? There was nothing transparent about having a conversation behind closed doors. It's time for Todd to buy you a dicks. And they're.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that dictionary. So Angie's like, okay, let's back up here. Beep, beep, beep. That is how Greek trucks sound when they back up. There is nothing transparent about having a conversation. Oh, no, you already said that you didn't feel supported by everyone. And that's how it started first. Okay, that is how it started. She goes, well, I didn't, I didn't. No, I said that I didn't. You know, and I. It was less warm with Meredith and Lisa. That's what I said. Well, that's what I said. That's what I said. I'm telling the truth about everything, you see? Cuz. Cuz that part.

[Ben Mandelker]

But that's fine. I'm sorry you feel that way. And Lisa's like, oh, the point is she came and sat down and told me that you two, Angie and Whitney, but not you. Heather came and talked to her about me.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said that we all talked. I said, that's not how that happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen And I have receipts, proof, screens, timeline, screenshots to prove that that's not what that happens.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, if you would shut the up, we can tell you what happened. Lisa, you're not the only one that gets to talk. Listen to what Angie has to say. But Angie has to what? What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you want to finish your sentence, Whitney?

[Ronnie Karam]

I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Huh?

[Ronnie Karam]

Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no. So Lisa's like, okay, you know what, Winnie, don't do this. You're not the only one who gets to talk, okay? You guys keep getting away from the bar, and the point is, there's no Vita Tequila in this van right now, and I'm getting really upset about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You asked a question, and you won't let us answer, so shut the up. No, you shut the up.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, you're a cut fitness.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's too far. That's too far. I just. Todd just texted me and said too far. Okay, simmer down. Todd says, simmer down.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? That's your trash mouth. That's why I call you Trashy, okay? Because that's. That's a step beyond betch, which is what I called you, okay? And she's like, oh, my gosh. You know what? I really want to address us, but maybe I should have waited until we got to our excursion, because now I have to listen to her. Oh, my God, you're a cut fitness, like, for another straight hour. Like, I don't want to hear Whitney talking. Like, I mean, can someone give her a gag? I'm sure she's used to using a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gag with, hey, I've been in your inner space.

[Ronnie Karam]

You've never been in my inner space.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I shrunk down, and then I was, like, injected into your blood, and then I was all into your veins because I was in your inner space.

[Ronnie Karam]

Meg Ryan's husband is so nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

We almost crashed into your liver. So Whitney's like. Lisa's like, what are you even talking about? Well, when I was your last resort, I was your friend. No, Whitney, no. I'm not listening to you. I don't respect you, so I'm not listening to you. Remember when I said that you have a trash mouth and that's why I call you trashy? Yeah, that's why I love that Lisa said that you have a trash mouth. That's why I call you trashy. It's like her inside the actor's studio. Why did you call her trash? Why'd you call her trashy?

[Ronnie Karam]

There's the reason I call you trashy. Do you wanna Know what it is? So Whitney's like, wow. Oh wow, wow. Well, the truth is. And Angie's like, wait, wait, really quick, quick. Britney. Why? Wait, Britney, Britney, why are you recording our conversation? Cuz we. What we didn't mention is we see Britney recording the back of her seat, like, what the hell is she doing? It's like, turn your phone off. And then I. When I tell you, Bronwyn almost jumped over the seat to kill this woman. Wow. I. She went crazy. Bronwyn went the craziest out of anybody. I was like, get her, Bronwyn. I thought Braun was going to beat the crap out of her. And Britney's like, what? I'm not recording the conversation. Yes, you are. And she's. I'm just sitting. Sending a video to Olivia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please tell me it was Olivia Aiden. So then we see a flashback to two minutes earlier. So they. They clock her. And we see Britney starts recording the back of the seat two minutes ago. And she holds up the phone and she looks back at the girls like it's. She's obviously recording, you know. And then she's like, you are doing this with people arguing in the back. She's oh my gosh, no. Like she just got like 100% on her math test. And you know, we are talking again. So anyway, I just wanted to give her a congratulations. I was like, here, since got 100% on your math test. Let me send you two minutes of footage of old ladies bickering.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Brahm was like, so send her a facts like Todd would do. And then Angie's like, no, you were recording the fight. She. I did not. You guys. And then they just all got. And they're like yes, you. Let's see the. Meredith is like, let's see the video.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would like to see the video, please. Let's see the video. She's like, guys, like, listen, I was trying to get something off the video to say. That's it. I was just trying to say, I don't know what this is. I thought this was a Snickers bar. Turns out it's a camera. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's see the video. And Angie go swipe to the left like you do on Tinder. And then press play and play it on full volume.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now if you happen to have a clip of me saying receipts proof timeline, please, you can play that at full volume too.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, but I had the camera backwards. I mean I was trying. And he's like, wow, Britney, wow. Delete. And then delete. From your Deleted. Okay. Delete. Deleted.

[Ben Mandelker]

You need to leave. I've had enough of me. You need to leave. I remember what she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Meredith head. I don't know how Meredith didn't hit her head on the back of the seat because she was. Or the camera because she was like, you need to leave. You are. I was like, oh, my God. Get your forehead out of the camera. Are you insured? The camera. Is the camera insured?

[Ben Mandelker]

Girl, I love. I love Meredith Banning. Britney from a moving vehicle. You need to jump out of this vehicle right now. So this is insane.

[Ronnie Karam]

Punch her out. My forehead vein's gonna push her out if somebody else doesn't. Her name was like, boom, boom, boom. It was like a fist coming out, trying to hit something.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're recording us.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're vile.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Mary's like, yeah, she recorded it. The only one who's like, chill is Mary. Because Mary's already like, I told you, this girl sucks. I don't have to even get mad because I already knew Mary clocked her along.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Mary clocked her a long time ago. I have had enough. And Brahma's like, we are talking about something that I said that's so private and whether or not she believed it and you're going to record me? Are you recording me now? Are you recording me now? She's recording me now. She's setting up a light kit. Look, everybody, she's doing it. She's producing a film.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm, like, in shock. It's not on purpose. I was just merely trying to do, you know, put myself on tape. You know, I heard that, like, Pocahontas, there's an opening in, like, the Ozarks. I just need to get on tape for the audition. That's it. Guys, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Out.

[Ronnie Karam]

She needs to go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, you guys, it was a accident. I was just, you know, that was.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was not an accident. Three videos. That is not an accident. Is not an accident.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her first water slide. I wanted to congratulate her, guys. I mean, I don't know what you want from me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Imagine being your kid, being her kid and getting a hundred on your math test and your mom just send you a video of ladies screaming you C word to each other. Well, just wanted to make sure you know that I love you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brittany, that was not an accident. Okay? When I wore a bolero jacket to my friend's wedding, that was not an accident either. Okay, I understand when people do terrible things on purpose. And Angie's like, Britney, you have to take accountability. PETA Spanakopita.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, I am. I'm trying to delete it. Did you post this or send it to anyone? She's like, I never. I have never done that. Which wasn't the question, and which means she probably has been doing it this whole time. So Bronwyn's like, so did you do it or not? And Heather's like, well, what if she's recorded us at other times? Did she record us last night?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's literally the worst invasion of privacy that we can imagine. Even though we are actually all being recorded by Bravo, we are deeply traumatized by friendship, betrayals, and something like this just brings it all up to the surface.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, now you brought up something interesting, because part of the online discourse about this is, why are they bitching? They're being recorded on tv. Who cares if she's also recording on her little phone? I think, you know, I think the argument that I like the best against it is that it's consent. You know, they know they're being recorded for the show. You know, you have the. The show can cut very personal things out, you know, or something that you don't want. I mean, I don't know, they probably never do do that. But the show can cut it a different way than you could. Getting all this raw footage and making it look like however you want and selling it to whoever. Selling it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Selling is also part of it. Well, there's also an intention and the selling. So part consent is number one. Number two is that they know how bra. They know Bravo's plans for this footage, which is that they're going to turn it into a show. And the show elevates their profile. They get paid for being on this show. And even though they may not have control over how the show is edited, it, they understand what they're in for, versus Britney, who may be profiting off of them, and they're not getting a cut out of it. And on top of that, more importantly, is that she probably is sending it to tabloids, which creates noise in their lives. And they have to, like, now deal with rumors. They have to wonder how this rumor got out. And they have to know, wonder if there's betrayal. It's so like, I totally get it, but it is still. There is something funny about saying that this is a private moment when it is still being broadcast out to America, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Britney's like, I never record ever. And Bron was like, oh, how do we know that now? And Lisa's like, we haven't even done that to each other. And we hate each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Whitney goes, yeah, even when we're hating on each other, Even though I think Lisa is the biggest cut fitness in all of this sprinter van, we still would never record her privately and sell it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, well, obviously there's a trigger here, so look through my videos. And Heather's like, a trigger. And Meredith goes, it's not a trigger. Cut to Heather going, this is such a trigger for us. This has happened to us before. We are still traumatized.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't record your friends when they're fighting in a sprinter van on a girls trip if you're not. Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Clearly, we see who has issues here, and it's not me. I did not take a sleeping pill or vomit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now it's the only one who's vomiting here. Is your thumb vomiting onto the record button on your phone.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I love that Meredith keeps bringing it back to herself every single time. Like, how dare you, Brittany? How dare you insinuate those things? That's right, girls.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I am vindicated. So Heather's like, who are you going to send that to? She goes, no one. We were saving them for later. Or we're just, you know, Olivia and I, we're just gonna laugh about my friends calling each other the C word. That's all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Guys, do you think that's what she meant? Because I think that was a little slip when she said, we're saving them for later. And I thought maybe I misheard that, but they. They did. They played this again later, and she definitely says, we're saving them for later.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, there's part of me that does wonder if she, like. I'm not trying to give Britney any credit here, because I do fully believe she was selling them to the tabloids. But, like, I could also imagine that she has, like, a friend who's like, not on the show, who's like, you have to tell me about all these crazy fights that have. She's like, okay, I'll, like, I'll record the next one, and you can, like, hear what goes down. So I can imagine. Like, in fact, she should have. Maybe she should have said that. And she was like, honestly, my friends are curious, but I still think she's selling them. But I can imagine a world where that's the situation.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Bron was like, no, no, no. Her story's changing. Her story's changing. That's not what she said. And Meredith is like, I'm not lying. I'm not dishonest being taxation for representation.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're here. We're here recording us. So Britney's like, guys, if you hold up the phone, if you hold up the photo button, it could take a little video. And I was just like. I was holding it too long. I was so scared. It was like so much was going on. I mean, guys, what if I don't get Pocahontas?

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen up, Steve Jobs. I don't need to know. I don't need to know how the iPhone works.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right? When Brahman said that, she's like, I don't want to video this. This is. I am so disgusted I had you even in my home.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Candid Camera punks all happening at once at my table near my toddler.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, guys, just look. Just look. You are fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary goes, get her, Meredith. So Heather. Heather's like, there are YouTube channels dedicated to cyber. If you get caught. Secret recording. Did you know that? And Britney's like, I don't know. I don know. I don't even know what. I don't know what it means to record. What does that mean? I've never recorded anything in my life. What does that even mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't know that? You could see, you can't secretly record people. There's wiretapping laws now. That's different than regular tapping, which is when a Mormon puts his penis on a doorknob and then has someone start tapping on the door until he ejaculates because it's illegal to have sex with doors tapping on.

[Ben Mandelker]

What? I just think this was. I thought. These are words I don't understand. Guys, have a big, really big audition.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, don't record your friends. Seek secretly to mock them. Okay, so that's sorry. She's like, say you're sorry and be done.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Britney's like, you see? I mean, you guys are putting intentions into my head. It's like, don't secretly record your friends. She was done. Done. And Heather's like, done. We shouldn't have to tell you this, Britney. I've been fighting. I've been defending you. She goes, well, what you do then, Heather? You do. You do. And Meredith is like.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, then stop defending me. I don't care. And Meredith is like, well, are you defending her commentary on me? Is that what we're defending? Oh, my God. Meredith is still back there on the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pulpit because let's not forget this is truly about rumors and nastiness, about me vomiting and crying. And so Heather's like, well, I didn't know she was secretly recording us. She is vile.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Heather's like, yeah, she really fucked up. I mean, I've defended her. I've been her friend. And now I'm feeling ashamed and embarrassed that I introduced her to all my friends and I put them in this horrible situation. And this is, like, indefensible.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a bad look on Heather because Heather has been the one who's really led the, like, the anti Monica crusade. Like, this is a violation. You know, she cannot be in our group. So she's really been, like, anti mole. And so the fact that the person she brought on is doing this behavior, it's like, it's bad for her, at least in her mind. I mean, I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

But she's also the person who brought on Angie Harrington, whose husband had that secret account that he was attacking. You're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

This really does happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Other people from. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

So actually, we know. Actually, you're wrong. Technically, it was Lisa. Angie came on through Lisa in season two, because, remember, they had, like, the. The cater.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

They had a catering fight, remember? Like, you stole my caterers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Ben Mandelker]

But either way, Meredith is like, you are vile. Stop it. Stop it. No, you stop it. You record your friends. You make up lies. You make character assassination nations of people. You utterly disgust me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will never trust you again. I will never, ever. You know what, Brittany? I will be worried every time I'm with you that you're recording. Are you kidding me? Now I look really good. Record this. Record this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I am so worried that every time I'm around you, you're gonna record me and you're gonna hear such things as Vita. Tequila is the most popular tequila in the United States. It's beating out Casamigos by George Clooney. Oh, my God, that's terrible that you would leak that onto the Internet. Internet. You are just keep saying that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Bron background went like, why the do you need that video on your phone? On the heels of saying, you know how concerned you were about Meredith's mental and physical health?

[Ben Mandelker]

What is that? I am concerned about it. I mean, on the heels of also you saying Angie's marriage is up, or maybe she's a. Are you nuts? Let me tell you something. I would like to buy a V. I'll solve the puzzle. Fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is also another thing that Bronwyn started. I mean, Britney did say that behind her back, but she thought she was just talking shit, you know, because Angie yelled at her and Bronwyn went back and made that a whole thing too, calling her a commercial. Here comes one right now. So Meredith is like, are you not. So Britney's just her problem with, you know. Now Britney's in a full on SOB So they stop the sprinter van and she runs and she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She has this amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me get this on Instagram. She has the colors of the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you ever seen the coyote secretly record the blue corn moon? So she does a full on Leanne lock in been caught. So now I'm going to do a melodramatic sobbing out of speech. I mean, it was so amazing. She's crying out of the sprint. I mean, the fact that this lady comes sobbing out of a sprinter van at an ATV rental place and she sits in the corner and she's like. And hyperventilating. Oh, this is like gay dreams right here.

[Ronnie Karam]

And of course, they all fall for it immediately because she grabs the victim Cl as she should, you know, she starts crying. So you can't yell at somebody when. When they're crying, right? So Angie's like, oh. Oh, guys. Oh, no. Oh, God. Oh, you guys, that was. That was a lot. You guys. That was a lot. Mary's like, oh, who cares? We've all been through that. She's like, you know, even if you're a hard ass, that would have been hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary goes, no. Like, you can. You guys can feel sorry all you want, but she deserved that. Mirror is so unbothered. She's like, this is like nothing. She's like, I told you guys. So. So Whitney gets. She's like, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Whitney goes to comfort her. You know, Whitney's like, I'll do it. It. So she's like, britney off Absolutely violated our trust. But that was a lot of yelling for one person to take. And we probably took.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can do it, Whitney. You can do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Two.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did it. What? Well, I think that she just doesn't think it's a big deal. She doesn't. I'm not trying to be rude, but she's not the sharpest tool in the ship. And they go, well, that's rich coming from you, Einstein.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was such a sitcom line in that moment. I loved it. So Whitney goes over to Britney. Britney's like, she has, like, her hands on her face. So Whitney's like, I know. That was a lot. Are you okay? She's like, no, I'm not okay. I'm so sorry. I feel like you're now one mom. Take a deep breath. I broke everyone's Trust and I think mean, I'm not doing anything. I don't have a bad. I don't have bad intentions. It just breaks my heart. It breaks my heart.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what was your intention on filming the back of the seat then? And Britney's like, I swear on my life, I wasn't trying to record the girls. I was trying to flirt with the. With the back seat. You know, I just have to keep. I have to keep my. I have to keep what's his buns odd? Osman? Jealous. I just said, look, I'm dating the back of a back seat. What do you think of that? I mean, is that so wrong?

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that you don't understand there's so many pressures now that Jared is back into my life, I want to make him feel comfortable. So I'm thinking about, like, reupholstering all my chairs. That's it. I just want to reupholster my chairs. So he'd look like, I don't know, a tour bus. Cause he's from a musical family that tours. So I was like, how can I get sprinter van fabric onto my chairs? That's all guys. That's why I was doing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's telling the producers, I swear on my life, I'm not trying to record the girls. And the producer's like, well, but it is weird that you're recording the back. The back of the seat. So. But where did you hear that? I mean, why was I recording the back of the seat? And she's like, well, I know. I mean, it was for a while. And she's like, no, it wasn't. It wasn't for a while at all. Just for one second. Dong flashback.

[Ben Mandelker]

24 seconds. I mean, the back of the seat was like, literally for like a second and a half. Like, maybe. I don't know, maybe it wasn't even recording. Like, I'm facing forward. Like, I don't know. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I was. I wasn't leaving. I don't think I was even in Mexico. I'm pretty sure I wasn't there. I was at an audition. So no.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's telling Whitney the camera was turned around at that point. I mean, I was just trying to get it, you know, while I was holding record, I was trying to get it to flip on my face so I could do like, I love you. I'm proud of you, I'm thinking of you. Someone just got called to cut fitness, but it wouldn't turn. And so I stopped recording, not realizing that a video Was also recording audio. Videos. Record audio now. What is this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you. You. Did you send it? Send it, Kyle, get out of here. And Britney's like, no, I didn't even send it. Send what? You can send videos. I didn't even know you could do that. And when he's like, had.

[Ronnie Karam]

But wait a minute. How do we know that you haven't already filmed it, deleted it, and then sent it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Look through everything. Look at all my hidden photos. Look at all my deleted. All my deleteds. I'm like, is that even a thing to say, that you're deleted?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but look at my deleteds. Well, it's hard. It's hard to say, look at my deleted. Because you could delete a deleted.

[Ben Mandelker]

How does one delete the deleted? So Brittany is like, but you're going to see a lot of embarrassing stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

So if you want to, like. If you want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you want to, like, to delete the deleted, I would have to deleted those two. Because, like, if I'm going to delete the deleted, I will also delete and deleted the embarrassing stuff. So, like, why would I. Why would I delete this deleted but not delete the other deleteds? And so, like, what I'm saying is, like, look through my phone. Look through the deleted deleteds. Look through. You're gonna see a lot of stuff. You're gonna see a lot of scandalous photos of Jared Osmond. You might see me singing an impeccable serenade from Miss Saigon. So what? Just look at it all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you get the impression that she so wanted her to look through her phone? She's like, do it. Look through my phone. And it's like, no, it's okay now. Look through it. It's so embarrassing to me. I look amazing in these pictures. Just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Will you see archival footage of me as Ariel in Disneyland? Perhaps? But that's gonna be on me. That's my Crusta Bear.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I feel bad for Brittany, but I'm not buying this. Little naive. I didn't know how to flip a camera around, but I can delete a deleted video with 0.2 seconds. Yeah, like, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's true. Because let me tell you something. If you don't know how to turn a camera around, you don't even know that there's, like, a deleted, deleted section of your phone. Right? You probably think you hit trash. It's gone. So the fact that she knows that there's a whole deleted section and you can go in there and you can delete, delete it. She knows all the functionality there, but like doesn't know how to turn around. And based on the number of ridiculous selfie videos she does, I would say I think she's pretty aware of how to turn the camera around.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And it sounds like she knows very well what her deleteds are and that she looks through them. You know, it's like it's your way to keep a file on your phone that's not public facing when you open your phone and public people aren't seeing or, you know, pooty videos.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what's amazing about this cast, which is where it shares a lot of DNA with Roni, is that they can have this crazy fight in the sprinter van. And then they're like, okay, let's go on the ATVs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, next scene. So now is the ATV thing and nobody will pair up with Britney. And so Heather's like, well, we can all go in this one. Come on, Britney, come over here. And then they're like, nope, sorry, ma'am, only two per thing. And she's like, oh, God, now I have to. Now I have to ride with her. She's the least popular person here, which we know is Heather's kryptonite.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what she hates.

[Ronnie Karam]

She wants it to be with the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Big dogs, you know, okay, I'll go with Brittany. But I want her hands at 10 and 2. Not secretly recording the back of the chair or the dash or me screaming for my life.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Mary is like, where are my goggles? Have you seen my goggles? And Bronwood's like, they're behind your neck.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Angie's like, I don't love my hair blowing in the wind. And I don't love the wind in my face. I think it causes wrinkles and split ends. Ends. I don't know why that's funny. It's like this is her life hack. So Heather's like, wind.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, avoid wind. It will destroy you. So then we go to Heather and Britney just riding in silence while everybody else is having fun. You know, everybody else is like, woo. But then it's just silence with them. And Heather's like, well, this is fun. Sitting in silence with the most hated person on the trip. Oh, look, here comes a wobbly. Never been stress tested bridge. The hits just keep on coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come to this rickety bridge. Drive across. I don't like that would be.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would not have done it. Okay, No, I know that. I'm sure several, several go karts or ATVs have gone across It But I don't want to be the one that like causes the bridge to go out because that bridge is not lasting much longer. Okay, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we haven't had a full on disaster yet on Housewives. We have had the New York Cartagena trip which was, you know, pretty bad with that boat. But we have not had like a full on falling off a bridge. Dis. But if any cast is going to do it, it's this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, you know, seriously. So they're all freaking out. The only one who's like not freaking out seems to be Meredith. She's like, well we're almost done girls. Meredith seemed fine with it. So they get to the other side.

[Ronnie Karam]

Meredith, who's never taken a pill in her life, was like, it's fine. So now they go to this cave, this like waterfall thing and they have to walk to this waterfall thing and they're all jumping off this little cliff. And Mary's like, wow. Wow. Brittany, your turn. Your last jump, babe. Your next one's going to be on a plane.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she's like, good luck with your diarrhea. Throwing up after you jump in there. Both of you. As like Whitney and Brittany jump in. So Lisa is like, guys, do you think she, if she jumps off the rock we're going to forget that she recorded us and just like, yeah, it is wild to me how quickly she bounces. Yeah, that's why Jared feels it's okay to break up with her and get back to her because she bounces, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? It's like Britney's living in a parallel universe where everything's all rainbows and unicorns. But like, just because you look super hot in a bikini doesn't mean I forgot you were recording us an hour ago. But she really does look good in her bikini.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's really all that matters to Lisa. So now they all go. And they arrive at lunch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa's like, I don't want to forgive this girl because she's hot, but I'm glad going to. But I'm forgiving this girl cuz she's hot. Like how can you not?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they all sit down at lunch and you know, they're all like, oh, this is nice, you know. And Mary goes, britney, why are you so quiet down there? Like obviously she knows. Britney goes, I'm just internalizing. Internalizing what, babe? Everything. Why? What part? What part? The part where you got caught.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was just such a violation of trust. Like absolutely. Like I've supported you, I've defended you. This Is an indefensible thing. And Britney's like, oh, my gosh. Scenery, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

The beautiful Mexican seatback scenery.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, I did this. And she starts making poses like she was just trying to take pictures of scenery behind her head, which is an obvious lie. And so they're like, oh, my God, stop changing your story. You know? And Heather's like, I cannot help you if you continue to lie. Lie. And she's like, don't defend me then. I've already told you my intentions.

[Ben Mandelker]

The story has changed, like, four times now. And we really. They show a montage of how many times the story has changed and we've witnessed the story changing. But even. Just. Even having witnessed it, seeing it lined up four times in a row is so hilarious. And how clunky she is at lying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Meredith is like, is this a joke? What are you doing here? Because it feels like you're starting all kinds of stuff with everybody. You started all kinds of. You said horrible things about me that were false, and she was like, horrible things? Seriously, Meredith? Well, I don't know why you tell anyone I threw up. Because I told you I didn't throw up. Let's be clear. You are a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, I want to say I didn't mention this earlier, but, like, when Meredith is like, that's implying I have an eating disorder. I believe. I. When I heard it, I thought it was like, oh, Meredith got wasted and wound up throwing up. I did not take it to that place. Did you take it to that place, Please.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I thought Meredith. Like, she's saying that Meredith is going through withdrawals because she couldn't get her drugs on the plane.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, we'll just leave that alone. So Meredith is like. Well, I don't know why you, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I think that Meredith is smarter than that. I think you can take pills on the plane. And if she's popping pills, those are most likely prescribed.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't pop pills. Losses, an irrational flight, Guys. And ugly. We are domestic, right? No, we're in a different country. Oh, well, then I probably took a pill. So Meredith is like, I don't know why you tell anyone I threw up. Because I told you I didn't throw up. And let's be clear. You are a liar, and I'm not okay with it, period.

[Ronnie Karam]

But there's only one thing that I haven't come clean about on this trip, guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

And I dare not even say it, because I just want to go home. I want to. To go home.

[Ben Mandelker]

I Wanna hear it? Okay. The one thing I've not been truthful about is his. His. Jared. Jared and I, we. We do have a physical relationship. I was laughing when I was watching.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mary just goes, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I was watching it, I just. Like, I was speaking back to the laptop, and I just. As a joke, I said, jared and I are back together. So then when she actually said Jared and I, I was like, oh, my God, I was just joking when I said that. But of course, it was about Jared.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's. She's a joke. So then Mary. Mary's so funny because mostly on the show, I think the criticism. Well, there have been a lot of criticisms of Mary over the year, but I think one of the biggest ones is that she's so checked out. Like, she's not paying attention. She doesn't want to be there, but she is so checked in this year, it's hilarious. She's the only person actually listening, and she's like, what are you talking about? Like, that has nothing to do with recording us. Like, are you okay? But everybody else immediately falls for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

My.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, I wanted to keep it private. Heather, you understand, right? And Heather's like, give me your hand, Angie, I totally get the point of this in a way you'll never understand everybody else who doesn't have two books about escaping Mormonism.

[Ben Mandelker]

And by the way, I just want.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, with someone with a book coming out in about three weeks that covers this topic, I just want to say cue up a Heather monologue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heather's like, oh, good Lord, here's. I found a way in an angle where I could possibly redeem Brittany. And I don't have to. I don't have to be embarrassed that I brought this woman onto the show. But by the way, before we get into that, I do want to give credit to Angie, who tells us, I mean, Jared sleeping with everyone else in Salt Lake City. Thank God he's sleeping with her, too. Like, at least she's not left out.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Heather's like, she's the only person who can't get that Costco sample.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Heather does. She clasps Brittany's hand. Because I do believe Heather's like, oh, good, we can redeem her. We can fix this. And so she's like, I totally get it, in a way you'll never understand. And Mary's like, what is she talking about? Like, we already know that she's in a relationship. No, but for her to say she's in a physical relationship with Jared even after she's been married twice, had two daughters. Don't speak to her. And is basically a heathen on all fronts. Oh, God. This is the last straw on the heathen wagon. And. And she's about to throw. She's about to throw it out. And that's a lot, guys. It's a lot that she's going through.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it's so hard for her to say that. And her saying that. It's like coming out of the closet. And she's coming out of the closet with some very split ends. It's just humiliating, guys. And Angie goes, the Mormon closet. And she goes, it's a big deal, Angie. Oh, please. You do not get the same thing. You're. You're coming out of the closet is a totally different, different thing, ma'am. Okay? You're acting like you being a hypocrite about your religion and professing how religious you are and then going behind everybody's back and doing this. It's not the same.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not gonna be out of the closet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. You don't get that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Especially when I think you're the only one who saw. Thought you were in the closet. So Heather is like. She's like, it's a big deal. You know, it's a big deal. You know, it's a big deal, fellow Mormons, because you got exposed because you got pregnant, Bronwyn, and everyone knew you were doing it. And bro was like, mm, mm. Britney's like, I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather's doing this very serious thing and she's doing her finger in the whole thing. She's like, you did this, remember? You remember the shame, Bronwyn, from your finger going in that hole like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fellow people who were shamed by the Mormon Church, you understand that Britney's about to get shamed, and therefore this exonerates her from eavesdropping. Britney's like, you guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's smart Heather, because she knows, like, she's trying to help Britney. And so she's trying. And she got Bronwyn where she wanted her because now Bronwyn can make this about her the self and have a monologue about.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's also giving Britney a very good. Because I guarantee Britney did not even think this far ahead in. In, like, her distraction. I thought Britney thought she would just say, guys, we are in a physical relationship. And I'm. It's. It's just really hard to keep this on the inside. That was probably the extent of what she was going to say. And Heather's like, no, let me Add some more heft to it by saying that, you know, you're coming out of the Mormon closet and you're about to be shamed by the church and your life is going to be ruined. Right now she's like, here, run with this instead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather, thank you so much for standing up for me. Why is there a QR code on your head? Oh, it's a pre order for my book. Okay, just. Just sit back. I got it from here. So Brittany's like, you know, there's so much shame. Guys like to grow up active LDs and everyone in my family's LDs. And I've got two brothers that are bishops, and I've got, you know, nieces galore that look up to me. And I just. I have the whole ensemble of Miss Saigon to Ring Company. It's just always looking forward to seeing what Ellen's up to. And I just. I have a whole congregation. You just have no idea what a big deal it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bishops and nieces galore. I've got a whole congregation, too, but I want more. Britney, come on. Stop singing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why are you. Why are you combing your hair?

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop combing your hair with that fork.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shut up, Mary.

[Ben Mandelker]

Britney, are you talking to an eel right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

And saying it out loud is going to change my life forever. Here's my deepest, darkest secrets. Take it or leave it. I don't. There it is. It's gonna change my life forever. Well, a little bit more than me saying that I was dating about 10 guys at a time and how much I loved wine is like, I'm on camera. But still, this is awful for me, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, guys, I just got a text. I've been dropped from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's version of Moana. Oh, it's terrible. So Whitney's like. Like. She's like, britney, I completely understand. I was shamed for leaving the Mormon Church for having an affair with Justin. Like, I understand completely.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was myopic. Your church is myopic. Yeah, it's my opec. It's my.

[Ben Mandelker]

What did you think people were going to think when you were drinking margaritas and showing up in red lingerie dresses to dinner? Ha. Slut.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll tell you what I thought.

[Ben Mandelker]

My back. And so Bronwyn's.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Whitney's like, yeah, you were drinking margaritas. And she's like, oh, my God, I'm so screwed, you guys. I'm just so screwed. And Bronwyn's like, okay, everybody gather around. It's Bronwyn time. I understand what it feels to be shamed. And with my daughter, nobody was happy for me, nobody supported me, but I did it. They wanted me to put her up for adoption, but I didn't. And the best thing that ever happened to me, the proudest thing that I ever did, was get a 4 million dollar ring on my anniversary to a man I can barely stand. But also, I had a daughter. And that was pretty great too.

[Ben Mandelker]

The best part of waking up everybody is having a daughter in my cup. I say it's not Folgers. Okay, let me tell you something. The most thing I'm most proud of in my entire life is the thing that almost cost me my relationship with my family that I've had to explain for my entire daughter's life. So I actually do understand, and I'm saying this to you with all the sympathy and love in the world. You've got to stop internalizing that shame. But you've also got to really stop saying I'm gonna shame other people to keep a secret for myself. And another thing, I still hate you, by the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also, please stop calling Lisa a stupid. Remember when you called Lisa?

[Ben Mandelker]

You did.

[Ronnie Karam]

You did see Lisa.

[Ben Mandelker]

She.

[Ronnie Karam]

She admitted it. She admitted it. So then Heather's like, these are the women. Heather is not going to be out monologued. You know, she's like, I'm the monologist on this show. Excuse you. These are the women that gave me a bridge out of the space where you're in, where I was rejected by everyone. My neighbors are Mormon. My best friends are Mormon. My grandparents, my extended family. I went to buy a puppy at a puppy mill and they were Mormon. They wouldn't even come.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guess what? I got an Uber the other day. Mormon went to Reebok. Mormon. I went, tell you something. I went to Cava and I said, excuse me, could I have some extra sauce on that? She said, sure. Because I'm a Mormon, everyone. Mormon.

[Ronnie Karam]

I tried to join the mermaid movement and they wouldn't even have me. I was kicked out by a merman. A merman. A Mormon merman.

[Ben Mandelker]

I went to an Ethel Merman convention and guess what? Everyone there was a Mormon. I couldn't believe it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mormon singing merman. Do you know how hard it is getting kicked out of a room when someone's singing? There's no business like show business. Actually, I do. Okay, Britney, you know what? We're not going into your IMDb right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was sort of a weird rendition because they said, there's no business like show business. But then they said a Business full of queers and heathens. It was a strange new addition. But you, you know, it's fine. I rolled with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And like, these are the women who stuck by me. Yeah, this is our good time, girl. It's like, yeah, there's an example of Lisa being there for somebody. Slut shaming them the first episode of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Their season because no one understands who we are better than each other. And Brittany goes for that. I really am sorry, you guys. I am really, really sorry for being a wonderful performer and part of the Disney family. And Heather's like, well, I don't think you have a mean bone in your body. Do you have a working brain cell? But I think you've messed up.

[Ronnie Karam]

You do have a very douchey bone in your body, though. And his name is Jared Osmond, so there's that. But, you know, and she's like, well, sorry. I'm sorry, Meredith, if you feel like I've betrayed your trust. And Meredith goes, not feel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm sorry if you feel like I construed something into insinuating that you have an eating disorder. Heather's like, you guys, let's take a breather. Let's go shopping. The power of tchotchkes to bring us all together.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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