#2683 RHOSLCS5E15 + Sold on SLC Part Two: For The Record

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2683: RHOSLCS5E15 + Sold on SLC Part Two: For The Record

Release Date: January 9, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2683 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the dramatic happenings of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Season 5 Episode 15 and the second part of "Sold on SLC." True to their promise, Ben and Ronnie navigate through the chaos with a blend of humor, critique, and insightful commentary, offering listeners a comprehensive recap of the latest Bravo reality TV storms.

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Recap of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) Season 5 Episode 15

Angie and Mary's Tense Relationship

The episode picks up with a tension-filled interaction between Angie and Mary. Initially, the two share a warm moment where Angie assists Mary with her hair, displaying what appears to be a supportive friendship. However, underlying issues surface as Ronnie recounts:

Ronnie Karam [01:48]: "Mary says, 'I'm only telling you,' and Angie responds, 'It will not leave here.'"

This sets the stage for escalating conflicts, leading to a heartbreaking exchange where Mary accuses Angie of betrayal, leaving listeners worried about the future of their relationship.

Meredith's Suspicion and the Recording Device Incident

A significant subplot involves Meredith suspecting that someone is recording them without consent. Ronnie narrates the unfolding drama:

Ronnie Karam [02:30]: "Meredith is convinced someone has been spying on them, leading Angie and Mary to investigate by searching Meredith's room for any hidden devices."

Their search leads to a humorous yet tense discovery when Meredith realizes she has unwittingly recorded herself:

Ben Mandelker [04:07]: "So she's using my disability against me."

This incident not only adds another layer of conflict but also showcases the distrust brewing within the group.

Dinner Gone Awry and Workplace Tensions

The hosts discuss a dinner scene orchestrated by Lisa to bring some harmony, which instead ignites further disputes. Angie and Bronwyn find themselves in a heated debate about past accusations and alliances:

Ronnie Karam [07:15]: "We were going to throw you under the bus, but you threw us under the bus."

This confrontation underscores the fragile alliances and the constant power struggles among the housewives, leaving viewers and listeners alike anticipating more fallout in upcoming episodes.

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Recap of Sold on Salt Lake City – Part Two: For The Record

Matt's Controversial Actions and Marital Strife

Transitioning to "Sold on Salt Lake City," Ben and Ronnie focus on the tumultuous storyline surrounding Matt, a high-earning realtor. Matt's frequent visits to strip clubs and his emotional entanglements with strippers spark significant drama:

Ben Mandelker [20:04]: "This is why the Utah market is exploding."

Ronnie adds his take on Matt's actions, highlighting his manipulation and deceit:

Ronnie Karam [32:24]: "I did not feel bad about falling for it. This is a manipulating man who's now manipulating everybody."

Workplace Ethics and Gender Dynamics

The fallout from Matt's indiscretions leads to a company-wide meeting addressing misconduct:

Ben Mandelker [39:58]: "They cannot be bringing stuff up that's going to make the firm look bad."

This scenario exposes the underlying sexism and double standards within the workplace, with female employees feeling marginalized while Matt, the primary offender, continues to receive protection and support from management. Ronnie emphasizes the frustration with ongoing gender biases:

Ronnie Karam [43:02]: "You can't blame other people's reaction to his sin. Get mad at the sinner."

Leadership's Role and Company Reputation

The episode highlights the company's attempt to salvage its reputation by upholding a strict code of ethics, which ironically seems to protect Matt more than penalize him. Ben critiques the leadership's approach:

Ben Mandelker [43:48]: "He's smirking. Whatever."

Ronnie agrees, pointing out the inconsiderate measures taken by the management to shield Matt from the repercussions of his actions, further alienating the female staff:

Ronnie Karam [43:13]: "When it comes to Matt, she's like, Jen is in complete protection mode."

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Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie provide sharp observations on the duplicity and manipulation central to both shows. They criticize the lack of accountability for male characters like Matt, while spotlighting the emotional and professional struggles faced by the female cast members. The hosts underscore the pervasive issues of sexism and favoritism, making a case for greater transparency and fairness in reality TV narratives.

Ben reflects on the complexity of Matt's character, acknowledging his personal struggles but ultimately condemning his actions:

Ben Mandelker [35:05]: "We all suffer in our lives. It doesn't give us an excuse to do the kind of stuff he just did."

Ronnie echoes this sentiment, emphasizing the importance of confronting and addressing toxic behaviors rather than excusing them due to personal hardships.

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam [01:48]: "Mary says, 'I'm only telling you,' and Angie responds, 'It will not leave here.'"
• Ben Mandelker [04:07]: "So she's using my disability against me."
• Ronnie Karam [07:15]: "We were going to throw you under the bus, but you threw us under the bus."
• Ben Mandelker [20:04]: "This is why the Utah market is exploding."
• Ronnie Karam [32:24]: "This is a manipulating man who's now manipulating everybody."
• Ronnie Karam [43:02]: "You can't blame other people's reaction to his sin. Get mad at the sinner."
• Ben Mandelker [35:05]: "We all suffer in our lives. It doesn't give us an excuse to do the kind of stuff he just did."

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Conclusion

Episode #2683 offers a thorough and engaging recap of the latest developments in "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" and "Sold on Salt Lake City." Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam expertly dissect the layers of drama, providing listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful critique. Their ability to highlight key moments and underlying themes ensures that even those unfamiliar with the shows gain a clear understanding of the ongoing narratives and conflicts.

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Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

Wondry plus subscribers can listen to Watch what Crappens ad free right now. Join Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Watch what Crappins. Watch what crappins. Guess what happens when there's so much that happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go to a tchotchke place and they're shitfaced at this point, which is really funny because someone goes, where are we? And Heather's like, the market have to explain it to each other. So then they go get wacky gifts. One says, I've got a big dick or something, and there's like a big dick under it. And Heather's like, I'm gonna do this. This is hilarious. This is the one thing I'm gonna pass down to my children.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just gonna put a little bonnet on it for pioneer day. So Lisa's like, guys, we have an amazing dinner, so let's go back to Katrada. So they go back and Angie is. I mean, Bronwyn is in. She's in glam. And then Angie and Mary have this really nice little scene where Angie helps Mary with her hair. And it's like very. It's like, it's. It's comforting and warm. And Angie tells us, like, you know, that life is like, Mary is holding on to something right now, and, you know, she hasn't shared with anyone else, and she really wants to support it for her, and it's really important. And I'm. Honestly, I'm so nervous, Ronnie, because the way the episode began, they said previously, and we see a clip of Mary saying, I'm only. Only telling you, and Angie saying, I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I.

[Ronnie Karam]

It will not leave here. And then next week, we see the two of them crying and Mary saying, like, you betrayed me. And I'm like, oh, no, Angie, don't fuck this up. You guys have such a sweet relationship. I' nervous and sad for it already.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, not looking good. So then Angie goes to Heather's, and, oh, yeah, Meredith goes over there. So Meredith is like, so. Well, I'm getting ready, but let me ask you a question. Have you heard me in my room? She's like, well, I did hear a slight knocking sound, but I figured it was just your head hitting the headboard as you were talking to somebody on the phone. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

But still, I Haven't heard you. I haven't heard anybody on the adjoining rooms. And now that I know that this girl's been recording us on her iPhone. Do you think she left something in my room? No. Britney's way. Because stupid for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she is way, way too stupid because she's. Meredith is basically like. She's like. You know, because the other night I did have a coughing attack, which I think is what I presume she may thought was constituted me throwing up, you know, and so. So then they decide to go into her room because they're going to see. They're going to see if there's a recording device. So they're going. This is like, becomes a detective thing. They go into the. Into Meredith's room, and her makeup artist, Fernando, there. She's like. She's like, hi, Fernando. Okay. Fernando, as a witness to the crime was Meredith. Where was Meredith when she was throwing up with her eating disorder? Okay. That's all you know. I understand. It was a joke. I was a little too close. Too close of her comfort, Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Where were you? On the phone with Seth. So she's like, I was here. And so, you know, Heather's making a big joke out of this, but Meredith is taking it very seriously. Heather's like, under this lamp? No. Is it inside this lamp? No. Is it in the towels? No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait a second. I think I found the device. Where is it? Hold on. It's behind your ear. Oh, my God. She stuck. She took a hearing device. She took a listening device and stole it from behind my head. That's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's using my disability against me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold on. Wait a second. Oh, my God. Meredith, look. I got your nose. While that is awful. I can't believe she cut off my nose. But then my favorite is Meredith. She's like, okay, I was standing right here and I had a coughing attack, and this is what it sounded like. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, clearly she's very good at what she does because there's zero sign of recording devices in here. Well, it just makes no sense and. Just makes no sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, say nothing in this environment until you know it's clean. She's like, okay, good thinking. They're listening in.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they go to this dinner, and Lisa's like, after the craziness of today, I want tonight's dinner to be totally different. So we're eating it. We're dining in elegance, with peace and choir.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to clear up what was thrown out today in the sprinter van because obviously things went left and Britney sort Of became the topic, but we didn't finish the first argument.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, at least we're still diving in elegance. So Andy's like, yeah, I don't really feel like I got to address the conversation that you brought up on when it was messy. It didn't come out clearly. And I don't know if it's weirder that you spun the story or that you, like, said it and that you went running to Lisa with it or that you didn't put tzatziki on top of it before you did that. And you put me and Whitney in a bad position. And Heather also, because she was sitting there and she is not even Greek.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I did not. Lisa and I were trying to clear up what was happening between us, and I didn't say that to her. I didn't say, I'm trying to cause a problem between you and Angie. I didn't run to her with any issue of yours. I just merely said that you said that Lisa was probably the worst person in this group. That's all I said. Because you said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Bronwy's like, no, no, no, Angie. No, no, no, no, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

I let Anthony talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

I let Angie talk, so let me talk. Okay. I said my own shit with her first. And I said I was not. I said it was. I was not nice. And I said I didn't think that you were that supportive. I said it about myself.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, Bronwyn, you did it at my expense. It's like, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish, let me finish. Let me finish. Because when I. Whether I meant to be nefarious during our conversation. Wait, what is that? Is that Greek?

[Ronnie Karam]

Nefarious. That's evil. Conniving. Evil. Conniving. Thank you. I don't have my Google app with me right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just keeps a straight face, like, these idiots.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, if it feels like you felt guilty about something that was said in that conversation and then you ran to Lisa to clear it before we had a chance to talk to Lisa about it, you got there first. That's not fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

We were going to throw you under the bus, but you threw us under the bus. I don't like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's convenient that you waited. Wait a minute. You waited until we were gone to have that conversation.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then. And just like, I do, too. I was like, I don't. It's between Lisa and I. So I wanted a moment with her myself to throw you guys under the bus. It doesn't work the same way if we're all together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So I just went to Lisa and told her that you accused me of lying about Todd's affair and Heather's. Yeah, Heather's mouthing too faced to Whitney, and Whitney's like, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

What does that mean, though? How can you have two faces because you only have one head? So Brahman is like, I know that they don't appreciate that I went to Lisa, but this has nothing to do with them. This is about Lisa and I getting clear and getting on the same page. And I'm not going to get twisted into thinking that I've done something wrong here. But you did. The classic thing, which is, like, when people break up, is that you went and you. You complained about someone and they're like, sure, I guess we're going to pile on. And then you go right back to that person, and then you reconcile, and the people who pile on look like dicks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yep. Yeah. So Meredith's like, well, I have a question that didn't add up to me. And let me tell you, V plus I equals. Oh, God, here Meredith goes. Well, I've been in this villa for several days now, and I've never heard anything from any adjoining room. A boom, mic, drop, gavel, drop. Just drop the gavel. Get ready for prison.

[Ronnie Karam]

And let me tell you something about this villa, or should I call it Viola? I did not throw up, okay? I was on the phone with my husband crying about slut shaming, and there was no vomiting. I did not have a. I did have a bit of a coughing attack at one point where when I was coughing, liquid came out of my mouth and into a toilet bowl, but that was the extent of it, which is maybe what you heard or not heard, but I find it to be very perplexing that I haven't heard one thing from Heather's room or your room or anyone else's room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, wait, Heather, I just don't even know what you're getting mad about. Like, are you just trying to, like, look for things to be mad about me? Mad at me about? No, I'm sorry. I said mad about me. About the cut. Mad about you. What a show. What a good show. Glorious.

[Ronnie Karam]

I auditioned for it. You know, I. I have great chemistry with Paul Reiser, they said. But unfortunately, that Helen Hunt just beat me out. Still don't like her. Won't watch any of her movies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm the only one that's ever supported you. And she goes, until today, until you came after me like a raging beast. Telling everyone false stories about me. And here's why I'm questioning you today. Because you chose to record us without our knowledge. And why would I not start to question you if you put something in my room at this point?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my gosh, are you serious? Are you really serious? Yes, I am. And I think it's a reasonable and rational question when I have heard zero anywhere else. And Mary's like, whitney, Whitney, can you hear me? Yeah, what do you want? No, no, in the villa. What about the villa? Can you hear me when we're in the villa? When you talk to me? Yes. No, through the walls. What walls in the villa? Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

So answer the question. Did you put a recording device in my room? And she's like, yes or no? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Yes or no? Absolutely.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Very convincing, Britney. Very convincing. So, Meredith. Mary's like, but there's no benefit of putting a recording device in Meredith's room. I mean, she's so boring. I mean, no offense, but I'll fall asleep.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is absurd. Well, I guess that's enough fun for tonight, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's go. So they all head back to the villas, and Angie is like, this whole Bronwyn thing is blown out of proportion. Was there anything bad said that day when we had lunch at the table? And, like, not bad, but we just said that they were the only two that, you know, took Todd's side, and there's a million reasons why.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so we back that. And then Meredith is like, well, wait, what can I have done to be more supportive? Well, she said that you blamed her and that you said that she had been guarded and that's what drove her husband to emotional fair. You know, all that stuff. She goes, no, I didn't say that. I asked a question to try to help.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I asked the question and I asked that if. What is it might be a problem. Just trying to be helpful. So what was. What was said about me? Oh, well, you know, we said, because you know, about tumultuous marriages, that, like, you might just. You might be saying, it better be kept. It's better to keep it quiet. And, you know, who cares? We just were like, you know what? She's cheated. She understands. She says she's sympathetic towards Todd. She slept around all of Salt Lake City and apparently all of Manhattan. So she's gonna be a little more sympathetic. Anyway, have a great night. I'm gonna go off to my bed now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Way better to keep what quiet? She says. Emotional affairs, you know, like the Ones that you have. I never said that. And so now, like, wait a minute. So these bitches were talking behind my back. What the hell?

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather. Heather basically is like. She. Heather's like, owning up to what she said, but in such. She's saying it so, like, oh, it was like, nothing. And she's like, okay, see you later. She, like, hops out of the golf cart. Like, she didn't just drop a bomb on Meredith.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Meredith, of course, is getting pissed, and she's like, heather, Heather, Heather. And Heather's just going through the hall, like, no big deal. Nothing to see here. Heather, we were getting out of the car. Did you say, Bronwyn did not feel my support because I co sign emotional affairs, or did I misunderstand that? And she's like, oh, you totally misunderstood that. I was just saying, because you have emotional affairs. Yes, you probably understand it better. It's like, wait a minute. What did you say? So they're all down the hallways to get back to their rooms, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

And there's like, guys, guys, guys. Okay, let's deflect away from the truth bomb I just dropped on Mary Meredith. Okay? So, guys, before you go to your villa, let's do a little experiment, a little audio testing. And Heather. Heather literally tells us. She goes, can we get over the whole emotional affair thing and get back to the real important issue? We have a real conspiracy to uncover. We have bugs to search for. We have audio tests to conduct. We've got to crack this case wide open.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Meredith's like, well, you can do what you want. I'm more interested in what you said as we were getting out of the golf cart. No, we're gonna do a wacky scene looking for bugs. And Heather's like, I just thought it was projection of having been through infidelity, you know? That's was no infidelity. My husband and I were separated. How dare you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why are you yelling at me? Oh, my God. There's a recording device.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, everyone run.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why are you yelling at me? And she says, because I don't know who's starting more rumors about me. And she's like, well, it's certainly not me. I mean, we're doing an audio test. It's not a rumor that you cheated on your husband. Everybody already knows that. Move past it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm. I'm not interested. I'm going to bed. I've had enough of the lies from everyone. Get your story straight. Treat me with kindness and respect. Mary is like, like, what did you say? Heather? She's like, don't. Heather's like, don't look at me. Like, I didn't say anything. Like, don't look at me. I didn't say anything except that, you know, you co sign emotional affairs because you had emotional affairs because you have infidelity. That's all I said. Meredith.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, don't tell my story. I don't condone. I don't co sign on affairs and infidelity. And Mary's like, wait, who are you talking to? Meredith just walks to her room. So she goes into her room and Lisa comes in with her. And Heather's like, you know, I mean, she just lost her mind. She lost her mind. I don't know what to do. So now we cut to Lisa and Meredith in the room, and they're standing kind of by the door, you know, like the little corridor by the front door. And all the other girls are listening, listening to this clear as day. And Lisa's like, what happened? Well, what happened is they're all talking shit, and I'm not gonna let him offend me anymore. And I've had enough. And I offer my own experiences just as a way to give support, which I think to me is a big deal. And I didn't have to open up to anybody. I mean, just like you don't have to open up to anybody. And Mary just goes, no wonder Britney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Heard her, because you could hear them right in the hallway.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't need a damn listening device. Britney was doing what Whitney is currently doing, which is standing at the door with her ear to it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You shouldn't open up to anyone in this group. I was honest. I talked about my marital struggles, what it's like to raise a toddler for 22 years, and what has been done. Lisa's like, weapon. Weapon. Their weapon. Yes. Weaponized against me. Buzzword on Bravo this week. Don't bother. And the aud. You think I care about that? We all know exactly what's going on there, and I'm sure she can hear me now. Peasants at the door and everyone knocking it off.

[Ben Mandelker]

The whole thing is fine. And she's like. Goes to the door, and you just see Whitney running away, like, ah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was amazing. It was a great, great Meredith episode. It's funny because in the beginning of the season, Meredith's storyline was not so. It was not so present. So people were like, meredith is barely staying on the show. Is Meredith gonna be fired next year? Meredith is not gonna be fired. Meredith is an icon. She's amazing. She is one of the pillars of the show, and she will be on as long as this show is on. Or she deserves to be.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Plus well, great episode. So let's move on to Sold on Salt Lake City.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sold on. So if first of all, if people are not watching this show, it's really good. I think that maybe it was launched at perhaps the wrong time of the year. Maybe it made sense to sort of dovetail. This was Salt Lake City. While Salt Lake City is really heating up, I think December is a hard time, but we've Been watching it. We've thoroughly enjoyed it. We did a full recap on the first three episodes on our bonus episodes on Patreon. So where we left off before it had its sort of winter break, it's Christmas break, was that there was this party, this Cinco de Mayo party that Malaysia was holding. And Malaysia's friend, who looks like Meghan McCain was like, guess what? Hey, you know how, like, all my sisters are strippers? Which is really a great way to start any sort of interaction.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love it. You know how four out of five of my sisters are strippers?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I. You know how I come from stripper heritage? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

From a long line of stripping.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, so. So my. So my sister, she says Matt has been, like, coming into the club for years and is, like, obsessed with her, but he had to. But he. But she. He basically told her he's gonna have to stop seeing her because the show is starting up, and once the show airs, everyone's gonna know who he is. So we can't be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Babe, they're gonna know who you are anyway. You're a regular at the strip club, you dummy. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

So first off, this was kind of good because Matt's such a little shit on the show. We call him. He's a shit and little squish face is such a undermining piece of crap on this show. He's horrible. And the first second this show came on, I said, that guy's cheating. Thank you. Thank you very much. He's just got cheating face. He's got cheating eyes. Little squishy face. Cheating eyes. And of course he was. And it sounds like they try to make this sound like it was just going to strippers, but the girls were like, well, he came to see me. So this is why. I don't understand, for the stripper point of view is they said he kept coming to see me, and then when he stopped seeing me, he was seeing my sister. Well, does that mean he's you and you guys are hookers? Or does this mean that he was just coming in to get private lap dances from you, or was he seeing you outside of the club? Like, what's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I'm just gonna say that based on what happens later in the episode, what. What he says, I'm gonna say there was some of that, you know, back room in the champagne activity.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what it sounds like.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what it sounds like. Whatever that may entail. I'm not sure, but I think there was probably some champagne room.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this Leads to a couple questionable things that just happen on the show because it's reality tv, and reality TV is messy. And obviously, the stripper sister shows up to start some. To be on tv, wears a bright green dress, so everybody can call her the girl in the green dress, and she becomes a thing on the show, right? So it worked for her. I can see where she's coming from and doing it. But then Malaysia's left with this, like. Well, now she's told me, and she's told me on camera, so what am I supposed to do about it? Do I tell him? And at first it seems like she's gonna kind of do. Because it's not just him. I don't think that the problem is outing Matt, that guy. The problem is what it's gonna do to the wife and kids to have this outed on national TV when you live in Utah, right? So it becomes this big moral dilemma. It's like, what is this girl gonna do with this information?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Malaysia is wondering, and I think that, like, a proper reality show is she sits with this information for about two or three episodes. She talks with everyone else about it. What do I do? It builds up. It builds up to finally confrontation. But I don't know, maybe they just don't have enough of an episode order to have that to waste that time. So clearly a producer was in her ear saying, you should probably talk to Matt about this. You should probably talk to Matt. You should probably talk to Matt. Talk to Matt. Talk to Swish face. So she goes up to him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she doesn't really. A first first she. Oh, yeah, because the Portuguese girl, right? She's Portuguese, right? How dare you call me. How dare you call me sugar baby or whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's like shakura and Kate McKinnon. Yes. What? Wait, I have a question. Did she. I was confused about this. Did she text her or did she text Chris, or is it that. Was it that, like, Megan McCain talked to Chris and then Chris told the.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she texted. She texted the wife. She texted the Russian chick or the. Sorry, I don't remember it, European chick. And she texted her and was like, oh, my God, you won't believe what's going on. Right? She texted somebody else about it to where it was very quiet. Yes. So she's like, what do I do? I just got this information, but nobody really knows what the information is. And she starts going around the party, and also, she's kind of drunk now. She's had a lot of tequila shots, so she's like, oh, My God, what do I do? So finally they're like, oh, my God. And meanwhile, the wife senses some and she's out of there. I don't know if she knew this was going on. Has the wife was like, this feels really weird and really dark. I don't like this. I have a stomachache. Can we go home in the car? Car. So that shows you what kind of he is. Just go lay down. Yes, babe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Leave with your. Leave with your wife. Go home. Take care of her. Exactly. To be fair, she was also very unhappy with the churro temperatures. She was like, these churros are cold. They're supposed to be warm. So she goes off to the car to lay down because this piece of won't. I mean, could you even imagine. So. So she. So he's there and so. So Malaysia at first was not going to say anything to Matt because the wife is there, and that's. She's like, I'm not going to cross that line. But when she's talking to Matt a little bit later, she discovers that the wife. Her name is Nicole, right? Is her name Nicole? She has Nicole energy, whatever the wife's name is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just call her eyelashes because those eyelashes, they're like cut off thumbnails that she's. To her eyes. I know. They're so weird. You need to get. You need to get eyelashes that fit you, that you're like wearing a child's eyelashes on top of adult eyelashes. It looks cray. Cr. Get. Get proper eyelashes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her name is Nicole. So Nicole has actually driven home because she's like. She probably realized, why the fuck am I lying down in this car? I'm just gonna drive home.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, when she got into the car, you saw her press on the brakes, which, I mean, I guess you could do while you're getting comfortable in the car. But I was like, no, that's what you do when you're ready to put the car in.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I'll lie down in the car at our. In our own driveway. So when Malaysia finds out that. That Nicole's not there anymore, Malaysia just kind of. She does this weird thing where they'll talk about, like, you know, you've been a dog. I've heard you've been a dog. He's like, what are you talking about? Come on, man. What are you talking. She's like. She's like, you know what? I know. He's like, what are you talking about? Listen, dude, you know, you're holding onto a scandal and you're on reality tv. And these things always come to the surface. And the fact that he's. He, he should have just said, I think. I know. He should have just said, I think I know what you're talking about. And I think you've got it completely wrong. But we'll discuss that later. But instead, he does the most guilty thing of all time, which is that when she finally like whispers in his ear, like, like, I know. He's like, well, no, she doesn't even whisper.

[Ben Mandelker]

She just says, she just says, like, don't say it. She's like, this is a bad position for me to be in. Basically. Don't make me say this. Like, you know what is going on. I want you to just say it. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. But he does know the stripper sisters there. So he does know that something's coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

I, I wonder if he realizes that she is related because then she finally has to say, well, you know how like the green dressed girl who looks like Megan McCain, you know how she comes from a family of dancers? He's like, huh, dancers. He's like, huh, dancers. Then he's like, I'm out.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, bye, bye. It's like, see ya. And so he gets out and he's pissed basically at production because they're about to ruin his marriage on tv. Which, I mean, I guess I understand that fight orf. Flight response. But you're caught. You're caught, buddy. And I'm not going to feel for you. And surely no one on this show, especially the women, are going to start feeling for the man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

And surely the patriarchy is not going to take over on this show. Surely not. This is also about girl power and it's run by a girl and she's going to totally have the girls back, by the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

This idiot. How does he not have an excuse ready to go on just in case his secret comes out? How does he not not, like, how was he just not prepared? Like he, he. That just shows that kind of like, bro, not. It's not just like idiocy. It's like the, it's like that privilege or that, like that cockiness of like. No, everything works for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, well, it's also the innocence of having been on reality TV and thinking like, I'm gonna go project this image and nobody's gonna bring me down. I'm not gonna act mature, immature. And when she, when this lady is accusing me of trying to bring down her relationship, I'm just Gonna gaslight it and crazy. And I'm gonna. You know, he thinks he can control it. It's. It happens to every season winner, you know. Poor thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So he leaves and then the, The. What's the short guy's name again? Kenny. He's like, God, dude, where are you going? Where? He's like, no. He's like, I think, ah, I'm not gonna talk to you unless your mic is off. Not until. Unless your mic is off. So he storms off and then you have Jen yo. Who is in a Frida Kahlo, like, headdress. And is it a Frida Kahlo or is it just. I don't know, because she was like, look at.

[Ben Mandelker]

Anyway, but I know the head, the headdress. I was like, you guys are still getting away with things in that town that you don't in others, but, you know, you go, girl. And so she's wearing that. And so she finds out that this is going on because it's become this huge drama. And she's like, wait a minute. What? I don't believe it. Matt would never do something like, he's Matt. He's just a gorgeous person who fails at everything, but still somehow has given everything he wants. I just don't believe he would do this. This.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, no, I just. I really don't. No. And so now she's like, mad at Malaysia. And then Tina comes over and she's like, yeah, that sucks. But now you see how, like, a rumor can actually really, like, can be really devastating. And like, honestly, he did it to me, so I honestly just don't feel bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

And rubbing her hands. She loves this. She loves that. This is like gleeful that this happened to Matt, which is, you know, okay. But, you know, it's also kind of tasteless. I mean, at the moment, like, it just happened. His wife is going to be. And she's like, good. So Jennifer gets mad at her and then she gets mad at Malaysia for doing it on camera, basically. She doesn't say that, but the implication is like, why would you do this on camera to somebody like, Matt is. Yeah, we're on the same team. So I mean, now she's our ready.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, Matt is our highest earning realtor who has brought in $50 or less to this company. Okay. In the $50 and under tier, he is our highest earner. How could you do this to him?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a big deal. So, yeah, so she's decided that no matter what, she's gonna believe Matt and stick With Matt, because poor Matt, you know, which really disappointed me with Jen. And it led to kind of an interesting conversation, I guess, with the audience that she had, where she was explaining, you know, what Matt did. I know that it seems like horrible or whatever, especially to people in Utah. Like, that's like. But that growing up, LDS has so much shame attached to it that people act in crazy ways because they're rebelling against that shame or they have to. It's almost like you get used to leading a double life because every sin could send you to hell. So you're just like, I'm not a sinner. And so you build up this whole. And I get it, you know, being raised in an extremely different religious way, all the shame that comes with that. And I kind of understood what she was saying. In an odd way, I got it where she's like, sure, he was doing bad things, but you have to understand. Brought up in such a shameful way that it killed him inside until he started acting out in this way, which when she explained it like that, I kind of got it. But at the same time, everyone else was raised that way, and they're not strippers behind their wife's back and lying about it. I have no pity for this guy, and you're not going to make me have pity just because he suffered shame. We all suffer in our lives. It doesn't give us an excuse to do the kind of. That he just did. It's not cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

It explains that it doesn't excuse it. But I think she was excusing it. And so then we go. But then also. But then Matt has his whole. He has his whole thing, which is. So after. After the fallout of this party, then Matt is, like, talking. The producers are asking him about, like, the relationship, and he says. He said it went on for like 10 years. And he goes, you know, there some years, sometimes I'd see her like twice a month. And then I do have a year without going. I'm like, but 10 years. And then he would say, and I think what's also up is not that he went to a strip club, but it's like he actually was. He developed a relationship with the stripper on some level. You know what? Even if it wasn't even physical, there was someone that he went to that was like giving him. It wasn't just like looking at naked bodies. It was like he really connected with someone there. So he's like, you know, here's the thing. Like, growing up, I never had friends, and I would go and I would go into the closet and I would. I would scream in the closet. He has this whole story about the reason why he went to the trip Club club is he didn't have friends growing up and he would cry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he was talking about being an extremely insecure person and being raised with so much shame, and he never fit in with anybody and he couldn't make friends, and he would lock himself in the closet and just berate himself with all the negativity that he was feeling. And, I mean, it was actually a really sad story. Bad for him because I was like, oh, like hot people have trouble too. Like, maybe he wasn't always working out this much. You know, he was like, had insecurities. I mean, I kind of felt bad for him. But then I had to keep reminding. I did not feel bad about fall for it. This is a manipulating man who's now manipulating everybody. He's sewing his victim cloak, and he's sewing it very thick and heavy for himself, and he's wearing that, so we can't say about him. Well, I'm sorry, sir, that's not going to work. Okay, I'm burning your victim cloak. It is out.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're an adult now. You're an adult now, and it's called therapy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, here's another thing I wanted to ask you. Do you think that his wife knows? Because I think his wife knows and she's keeping Jill. I think. Yeah, I think she's known all along. But it's one of those, like. Well, it's a strip club. It's not the best, but, you know, I get that he's a man, and men have needs, and at least it's just a strip club and it's not an affair. And as long as he doesn't get caught or embarrass our family, then it's fine. Because she talks about how divorce is just something you don't do. And this is you stay with each other no matter what. Malaysia has a whole thing where she's like, once you're married, that's not only your husband here, that's your husband in the afterlife and on your own little planet that you get when you're Mormon and, like, you guys stay with each other forever. And so I think that the wife knew. And I think when the wife saw that girl there, she knew what was about to happen. And she's like, I'm out of here. You guys aren't using me for this. Like, you've humiliated me enough. You're not going to get me to sit here and scream at some stripper sister on camera. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that's. I think that's a. A fairly strong conspiracy theory because what happens is. So Matt tells this whole sob story, which, like you said, the story itself is sad, bad. But if I'm not gonna let Britney Bateman off the hook, I'm not gonna let this guy off the hook. Okay? Like, people like, like, we know, we, like, you can give me a sob story and you know, I always fall for a sob story, but. But, like, I'm not gonna fall for this one. It has nothing to do. Or, like, you can't really tell me that you can't blame 10 years of going to strip club knowing that it's like a violation of the relationship that he has developed with his wife on. On his childhood trauma in this way. I'm sorry, I just. I just don't think that's fair to her. So then. And by the way, when they asked him about this relationship, and they're like, has there been kissing? He goes, nah, not gonna go there. Well, that would be the easiest no. So that's clearly a yes. You were. It wasn't just, you're going to strip club. You. You made out with this stripper at least once, if not multiple times. So that's up.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then it's weird that he. And it got me thinking, but why is he not lying? Because he's lied this whole time. Why is he not lying? Like, who cares? Who's going to prove him wrong? You know what I mean? Yeah, but it's like he wants to. He has that kind of. It's. He's getting the punishment and that's like another kink, you know, where he's like, getting caught. He's doing something bad and he's getting caught, and that's another thing. And so he's just going to keep like. Well, it's like he's confessing to get in more trouble. I don't know if that makes any sense. But you see it a lot of times with people when they get caught on purpose. You know what I mean? Or they're leaving little hints around so that they finally get caught. I don't know if it's because they'll feel relieved that they're not carrying the burden around. Like, I don't know what it is, but you see it a lot with people doing shit like this, this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the. So Matt and Nicole sit on the bed to have a talk, and she's like, I'm gonna. Because this is an emotionally raw Moment. I'm not going to put on any makeup except the darkest mascara I can find. So they sit there and Matt is like. He's like, I know. Like, we just worked hard to get back to a place of, like, trust, and I've ruined it. And I'm like, really sorry. And. And he starts to do, like, the sob thing, and she's like, well, what I learned, aside from the fact that there are monsters in the world that would serve cold churros, is that I can stand on my own two feet now because I went to an MLM conference and a lady hugged me. And now I know protein in my.

[Ben Mandelker]

System now every morning that I can.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stand tall because guess what? Not only can. You can pack your bags and go. And I don't have to pack my bags because I've got go girls. That's right. I'm now selling gogurt five for one. Or you can have a monthly pan plan. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go grip. Mlm. I forgot to tell you that. Anyway, I can support myself.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't need you, but I am. Probiotics.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then she tells us. And, you know, I actually have liked Nicole, but then she tells us, you know, I mean, stripping is not illegal. I wish it were. I don't think that women should be able to sell their bodies for money. But whatever. It is what it is. I'm like, excuse you do. People could do whatever they want with their bodies. So then of course, then she's like, I. Because then she's like, well, why wouldn't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

If there weren't men like her husbands, there would be no need to sell their bodies. There would be no market for it. So please, let's keep the guilt in the house. Okay, ma'am?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then she's like, I just wish you would have spoke to. Spoken to me about it, about, like, what you were going through. I wish you would have come to me. He's like, I didn't. And she goes, you didn't want to because it was the fear. It was the fear because of it. I didn't. I didn't want to come to you. And she said just like, listen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and also, who's going to come and be like, hey, honey, I'm going to strip clubs and having emotional affairs with strippers at the very least. Okay. How was your day?

[Ronnie Karam]

Through it.

[Ben Mandelker]

He didn't want to stop doing it. That's why I didn't tell you.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was like, I thought I could fix it by myself. She goes, that Is like, what Satan always does. He, like, puts terrible thoughts into your head and makes you think that you can take care of it yourself, but you can't. You have to tell your wife.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Satan needs teamwork.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know the only thing worse than teamwork? Strippers. Satan loves strippers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically, we don't really know where they.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's the thing, though. With all of her, I don't need you. I can stand on my own two feet. I'm like, you are not leaving this man. So cut the plot. Like, cut the platitudes. I can just tell she's not going to leave this man. And I almost, you know, I. And you have to have sympathy for that, too, because they've got how many? Four kids or something? It's like, yeah. She's like, what the.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I don't even think she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was saying she was gonna leave. I think she was just saying, like, I could. Like, this is your warning. Because guess what? I can. I could do it on my own. But, like, we don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so hard. Oh, it just made me hate him that he's sitting there crying, making it about himself when he just did this. So what? This guy's a total piece of. Right? So I thought, well, at least he's kicked down. And now there's going to be a little humility added to the mix because this is plainly an. Nope. Nope. Sure enough, Jen Yo. Calls everybody into the office for a meeting. They all get this text, and it's basically like, okay, everybody, we need to go because of something that transpired at Cinco de Mayo. And we're going to talk about this. How we've disrespected a male in our.

[Ronnie Karam]

Office, and the full C suite is there. So it's not just Jen. It's also, like, her CFO and some guy wearing. In a American flag tie. So they hand out this, like, code of ethics. And she's like, kenny. Oh, no. She goes, could someone please read code of ethics, bullet point 51 BC. And everyone raises their hand. She goes, kenny, you read it. So he reads it. It's like, thou shalt. He's like, thou shalt not talk about strippers that Matt has seen. Or whatever it was. It was like, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was basically like. Like, we cannot. They. She's basically accusing them. The way it was worded was like, you're purposely bringing something up on camera against someone in our firm that's going to make the firm look bad. So you guys shouldn't be bringing stuff up that's going to make the firm look bad. Well, he shouldn't be doing it. I mean, listen. And also, they didn't bring it up on camera. The stripper sister did. So where is she in this meeting? That's who you need to. I mean, look, having a meeting with. And also, at the end of the day, it's Matt who did this. So sorry. Where's the rule against, like, hey, guys, we live in Utah, and if we're going to keep a decent relationship here, we can't be around on our wives with strippers and getting caught. So we need to stop doing. We need to stop not. We need to stop getting caught. We need to stop doing the behavior. I mean it. I wouldn't love that either because it's none of your business what people do outside the office. But you can't blame other people's reaction to his sin. Get mad at the sinner. What the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, I understand from a leadership point of view, you want to gather everyone together and say, look, we are a team and we have to have each other's because the moment we have discord, that's gonna be bad for the business. But the problem is, as what's her face mentions, I forgot her name. The Brazilian girl. She's like, yeah, that. Like a year ago, what you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

Brazilian. Thank you. Yeah, I couldn't remember.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she was like, by the way, a year ago, I was basically slut shamed for all sorts of stuff. And then Tina's like, yeah, and I was also the victim of. Of of, you know, rumors and like, it would have been nice if this meeting had been held then. So it's like, like you're only standing up. There was a total double standard. And he's sitting back there and he's smirking. Matt is just like, smirking. Like, he's smirking. Whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, and also, just to expand on what you just said, that girl was saying, I was shamed a year ago, Matt went to my clients and people and was telling them that I was just some gold digger. You know, I was just some girl sleeping with a rich guy. Which we hadn't heard yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so that was one. And she's like, nobody cared about.

[Ronnie Karam]

She didn't bring it up. Up. She let it slide because she didn't want to cause. Cause waves.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, so we're. We're only standing up for the men here. And Matt's just like, well, it's not that. We're just it's not about me, guys, it's clearly about you. The rule is worded to be what happened around it. The party was even mentioned, sir, and you were the only drama there. It's clearly about you. Off. Why are you even talking right now? So he's like, well guys, she's right. And then she's basically taken aback that the women have just called her out, but she's sticking to her guns and she goes, I'm just talking about everybody, guys. So we all have to aware of this stuff. No, you're sticking up for the wrong person. And if anybody's ruining your company, it's you with this bad, stupid anti women decision making. Shame on you. But her whole thing is basically like, listen, if we're doing business in Utah, we can't be known as people who are going to start shaming men who are going to strip clubs because I guarantee you, 80% of men are doing something wrong. Like, let's face it, we've all known a man in our life and we can't go around tattletailing on men when we need them to buy our. Just say that. You know what I mean? If, if you're going to be that lame about it, just say it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I think that Tina has a great point when she says I don't understand that like when it comes to Matt, she's like, Jen is in complete like protection mode. But when it comes to like any of us, it's like you, you, you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So because Matt is the epitome of Utah perfection, he is youngish, he's got four children, a perfect little blonde wife, He's a little blonde guy guy. And he's like perfect. He's like the perfect thing that they look up to and that they all want to be. So to ruin that, to ruin that reputation of him or that image of him hurts the company because now they're, he's just going to be known as a dirt bag instead of like that vision of perfection. I think that's the only reason she keeps him on and puffs him up like that. It's like he may not be the best, but he's, you know, he's what everybody strives to be in this town.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like not selling houses, he's not getting listings. He's just failing upwards. And it's just like sad because it's, it's frustrating because you actually know there's like a lot of people like this across the country in all sorts of industries who fail upwards because they have the Same sort of protections that other people just don't have, which is annoying about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's one right there on the couch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bueller is one failed upwards onto the sofa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at. There was some other little stuff is doing right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like there was some other little stuff on the episode. Like Lisa Barlow came in and she's like, I want to buy in Blizzard Ganyon or whatever. Whatever. Because she's like, Bieber's there, DiCaprio's there. Barlow's need to be there. And then the other. They were doing some like, Kenny. Kenny decided that he wanted to do a video where he's like, guys, we're gonna celebrate houses being cheaper. And he throws a cake on the floor. I was like, excuse me, prices are dropping.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he drops a cake.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't splatter a cake on your listing. And then.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, people love action. And that's why this video is going to do well on Tiki Talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, wow, you really nailed it. There was something with the Brazilian girl and her mom, and I forget what it was, but it made me laugh. So if you guys laughed at something with that, that was probably what it was. And then. And then there was also. I think the last thing that struck me was that Malaysia at one point, like, I think it was Malaysia or Tina. They went to a. They went to a house listing and there was a climbing wall in this house. House. I just. I'm sorry, I think that's a terrible idea. Do not have climbing walls in your house.

[Ben Mandelker]

No crap. As someone who's like, actually fainted in my home a couple weeks ago onto a step stool, like, that's not fun. I can't imagine. I was like, oh, my God, what if I had a climbing wall? That would be terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

Scared when people have saunas in their home.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it did make me want to move to Utah in a way because a. The guys have so much shame and they're hot, which, you know, is my kink. And have houses like that for $1.5 million. That's how much that house cost. That is crazy. That was an amazingly humongous house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like a house that has so much extra space that you can have a giant room the size of like a school gym that's tall enough to have a tall ass climbing. Oh, my God. Now I know why the Utah market is. Is exploding. Okay, we're moving to Utah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Well, everybody, thanks for being here. It's going to be interesting to see on sold on slc all the reactions because it looks like the other are like this, I quit. Which I hope they do because that's. Go back to stage after that. Yeah. To like victimize the women after he did something, you know, she should have just left this alone and had a talk with Matt about getting his together. That was a dumb. Dumb.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's what, that's what it should have been. And then she could have had like a little thing like let's all come together. You know, it could have been like a, you know, Matt, you were making rumors, saying rumors about Tina. Malaysia, you were spreading rumors about Matt. Like, there's a lot of rumors going, going back and forth and we all just need to move forward. Let's do a reset, like not be like, guys, let's rally around Matt or whatever. And she denied that she was rallying around Match, but she basically was.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she was, she was 100%.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guys should all watch the show. It's so good. And you know, we are going to slc. So if there are people listening from SLC who are watching both of these shows we talked to today, come see us when we return to Salt Lake City for a show in about, you know, I don't know, about a month or so. So we can't wait. Wait and we'll catch you on the next episode of Crappins. Bye, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye, everybody.

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V. Somebody get us 10cc's of Betsy MD she's got a leg up, up. It's Beth Ani we're taking the gold.

[Ben Mandelker]

With Brenda Silva don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Emily sides Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall we got our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh She's Jill Hirsch She's a little bit loony Juni, my Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo we love him madly It's Kyle Pod Shadley.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let'S go on a bench Fender with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lauren Fender we're ride or die for Lisa Rider Baron she's a whiz It's Liz Sarthy always killing it It's Lola.

[Ben Mandelker]

Al Kalani the incredible edible Matthew sisters She eases our woes It's Melissa St.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rose Give him hell Ms. Noel Put.

[Ben Mandelker]

On the kettle for Rebecca Weddle she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

The queen bee It's Sarah Lemke Shannon out of a cannon Anthony, let's take off with Tamla playing She ain't no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shame Shrinking Violet Coutar we love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey.