#2695 RHOP S9E16: Drag Ging

Summary

Watch What Crappens Episode #2695: RHOP S9E16 "Drag King" Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Network: Wondery
• Episode: #2695 RHOP S9E16: Drag King
• Release Date: January 21, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #2695 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into "The Real Housewives of Potomac" Season 9, Episode 16, titled "Drag King". Known for their sharp wit and candid commentary, Ben and Ronnie dissect the latest developments, character dynamics, and dramatic twists that Bravo has delivered in this episode.

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Episode Recap

**1. Opening Scene and Recurring Themes
The episode begins with Giselle and her daughters transitioning into college life, a plotline that sets the stage for interpersonal tensions among the housewives. Ben remarks on the sense of timelessness in the show's dynamics, stating, "the opposite of love is not indifference..." ([00:12]).

**2. Karen and Ray's Golf Outing
A significant portion revolves around Karen and Ray’s golf outing. Ray's dismissive attitude towards Karen acting as his caddy sparks chaos on the golf course, symbolized by startled deer and an earthquake-like disturbance:

• Ray: "You the caddy? You may never see those clubs again. They'll be at the bottom of a lake." ([09:22])
• Ronnie: "It was like yelling fire in a crowded theater..." ([09:47])

**3. Mazopro Drag King Ventures
Ashley’s venture into the drag king scene at Shakers introduces a new layer of drama. The hosts critique the authenticity and execution of drag performances, highlighting King Molasses' lack of rhythm:

• Ben: "King Molasses can't even do a box step on the rhythm." ([14:20])
• Ronnie: "The drag community's so amazing..." ([13:24])

**4. Giselle’s Family Drama and Custody Scandals
Giselle confronts her family about past lies and custody issues, revealing deeper secrets and fueling mistrust:

• Giselle: "You’re a known liar." ([89:31])
• Ronnie: "Mia, Karen just informed me about a whole lot of things..." ([85:01])

**5. Stacy and TJ’s Turbulent Relationship
The subplot involving Stacy and TJ's strained relationship is dissected, showcasing TJ's manipulative behavior and Stacy's resilience:

• Stacy: "I just want to continue loving each other and being best friends." ([71:54])
• Ben: "TJ is a loser. She thinks she's great..." ([73:18])

**6. Karen's Weight Loss and Ozempic Controversy
Karen’s significant weight loss attributed to Ozempic sparks debates among the housewives about health, ethics, and personal choices:

• Ronnie: "Everyone get healthy. You'll just be exhausted all the time." ([41:53])
• Karen: "I am on a semiglutide." ([83:29])

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Hosts’ Reactions and Insights

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide unfiltered reactions to the episode's twists:

• On Indifference: Ben discusses his feelings of indifference towards certain episodes, comparing it to time passing without emotional investment. "When you watch an episode...it's a real pain." ([08:39])

• On Drag Kings: Ronnie praises the talent in the drag community but criticizes the portrayal and execution in the episode. "After seeing King Molasses, you guys have a lot to catch up to." ([13:24])

• On Karen's Scandals: Both hosts express frustration over Karen's continuous lies and manipulations, with Ronnie emphasizing the lack of accountability. "She thinks she'll be cleared of everything." ([40:05])

• On Stacy and TJ: The hosts lament the lack of character development and the repetitive nature of TJ's manipulative tactics. "You're a loser. She thinks she's great." ([73:18])

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Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker:
  "The opposite of love is not indifference..." ([08:39])

• Ronnie Karam:
  "It was like yelling fire in a crowded theater..." ([09:47])
  "Everyone get healthy. You'll just be exhausted all the time." ([41:53])

• Karen:
  "I am on a semiglutide." ([83:29])

• Giselle:
  "You’re a known liar." ([89:31])

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Concluding Thoughts

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode by expressing their ongoing commitment to analyzing Bravo's drama, teasing future segments like "Southern Hospitality" and their live "Crappy Hour." They also promote upcoming live shows and encourage listeners to participate in voting for the Golden Crappies awards.

Ben: "Thank you everyone for being here. What a fun time talking about Potomac." ([90:46])

Ronnie: "We will be moving on to southern hospitality and then crappy hour later on tonight." ([90:52])

Their insightful and humorous take provides both entertainment and a critical lens through which listeners can engage with the latest developments in The Real Housewives of Potomac.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all that crap we love to talk about on Yule Bravs. How are you doing over there? Bam.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh my God. I am. I'm really excited. I'm really, really very excited. How are you doing?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. I'm Ronnie, everybody. Welcome to the show. It is Monday. We're doing this a little late today because I was traveling, but here we are to knock him out. Tonight is Crappy Hour. That's our live show every other Monday at 5:30 Pacific Time and it's where we talk Bravo trash with you guys. It's on YouTube live and we also try and stream it on Instagram. That doesn't always work, so just go to YouTube live. Also, it's available for free on our Patreon. You can also find all of our video recaps on Patreon, which is where you'll see my gorgeous face right now. And those come out for free a week later over on YouTube and Patreon's also where you find our traders recaps. Our website is where you can find links to all of that and links to our Mounting Hysteria tour which begins this week. We start this Friday in San Francisco and San Diego. We will be doing the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Reunion Part one. We're splitting them up in each city because we know we're going to talk 10 hours about it. So come see that. We're so excited to see you guys. Two weeks, weeks after that we'll be in Salt Lake City and Denver. But guess where we're going to be in between February 1st in New York City. We'll be on Broadway, a town hall doing the Golden Crappy Awards. There's like very few tickets left, so go get them. That show's going to be fucking amazing. We're working on it every day and we're really excited about it. Okay, that's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Actually, we just looked at the seat map. There really are like a handful of tickets left. However. However, you can still see it because we are proud to announce two things. One is that we have a streaming partner for the show that we just got it all set up and streaming tickets are on sale now. So now you can watch the Golden Crappies anywhere in the world. So you can find a link everywhere on our social media website, watchrockcrappins.com we are partnering with Kiswee and we are, we are so excited about that. They do great work. And so they will be doing a stream on February 1, Friday, February 1, and then afterwards if you miss that, it will be available as a video on demand for two weeks. So, you know, come, come watch it, whether in person or virtually. It's gonna be a great time. And then the second thing is that round two of the Crappies voting, like the big voting round has now begun. Now when you vote, there are five, sometimes six, six in a category, but there are five each category. Like a real award show. And who you vote for. Yeah, it is real. Who you vote for is going to determine who wins in each category. There's some real surprises, some real snubs like any good award show and it's also just really fun. So thanks everyone who voted in round one. And now go get your asses over to the Internet and vote for round two. Everything is on watchrockrappins.com yeah, and that's.

[Ronnie Karam]

A really fun streaming show too because it's a huge chat room full of, you know, a couple thousand people who will be talking about the show and talking shit during the show. So that's going to be super fun. So join us for that. And now let's get into Real Housewives of Pothumi. Pothumi. We'll be doing southern hospitality later on. For those of you who are wondering where the hell that is. I went to a 30 year reunion for a dinner theater in Florida with my fellow Apprenti from when I was 19. Can you believe that shit. So I did that this weekend. I felt really young still, because they're all still older than me, so that felt good. And so we're starting a little late today, but Potomac, we took off last week mostly because we were just so busy. We had too much stuff, and it pissed us off. The show pissed us off. Now I said in just kind of an offhanded comment, like, they're queer baiting. I got a couple of DMS that were like, it's not queerbaiting. Don't. By erasure, Ronnie. By erasure, those women are bisexual. I'm not erasing anybody's goddamn bisexuality. And I probably misspoke by using the word queerbaiting. Sorry. But what I meant was they're using fake lesbian. Oh, my God. It's a girl kissing a girl to bait you into giving a shit about this season where nothing is going on. So maybe I could have found a better term for it. I'll work on that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. Good work on that, Ronnie. I will say also, like, the last. More than that, like that girl on girl action, it was just. Was a. It was a kind of a boring episode, like, nothing really happened. And, you know, to people who are like, yeah, but Roni can be really boring. I agree. But you know what they say, the opposite of love is not its indifference. And I felt very indifferent about the Potomac episode, wherein I often hate the Roni episodes. So, like, when you feel indifferent about. When you watch an episode and you're like, oh, well, nothing really happened, I don't feel one way or another. I just feel like time passed, and I watched talking sort of like that movie, a real pain. Then it's sort of like, okay, well, you know, like, if we have to cut an episode, that's what it'll be like. Roni will make your blood boil. And we'll be like, ah, fuck this show. But then we'll, like. Then we need to talk about it, because we're feeling things. So, you know, that's some of the. That's some of the logic that we apply.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. But here we are. We came back with it. We're not leaving it. We would never leave Potomac forever. Just one little. One little moment in time. But we're back, Potomac.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're back.

[Ronnie Karam]

So this one is season nine, episode 15, old rumors die Hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So we're seeing everyone's back from Panama, the really amazing Panama vacation, and we're seeing Karen and Ray. They're going to go play golf, and Ray's like, time for some golf. And she's like, oh, God, Ray, those clubs look heavy. Where's the caddy? And he's like, you're the caddy. I'm like, are you sure you want Karen driving that golf cart? You may never see those clubs again. They'll be at the bottom of a lake.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it was like yelling fire in a crowded theater. I mean, he said, you're the caddy, Karen. And then deer from all over the forest just started running. It was like a stampede. It caused an earthquake on the golf course. Okay. Those deer were so scared. Like, please, no. Don't give it the keys to anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then the most amazing part is, as they're walking, their car starts. And Karen's like, ray, you started my car again. He's like, oh, well, it's amazing. You know, it's so funny because when you start the car, we always have to blow into something. And me, I just touch this button and it just lights right up. Isn't that funny?

[Ronnie Karam]

Back in the day, we used to need oil for cars. But all you have to do is blow into a car. You've literally had so much to drink that you can start the cars with your voice. Ray. That's not why I blow into that thing. God damn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ray. If you hold down the button too long, it locks the car. No, it starts the car. So when you hold down on the button, the crank begins on its own. No, Ray, there's no crank on the car.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now, you guys, I don't know if you knew this. This is crazy. Something that happened in this episode. Because we haven't been reminded of this in a while. Giselle has daughters. Okay, so Giselle is out with her daughters right now. And they're shopping and stuff. And they're talking about guys in college. And she's like, so, what's your advice, Grace, for your sisters before they go to college? And Grace is like, well, first of all, these guys are gonna approach you. Cause they're, like, itching for girls. So beware the Ubers, the doordash, the bank account might look rough, but don't check. Just know that God has it on lock. Easy to say when you're literally the recipient of tithes through your father. I don't think you should allow your children, who make money from your percentages of tithes, to walk around saying, God's got it on lock. No. Those people are being tricked.

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle's like, no, no, no. Grace, stop. No, no. God does not have it Unlock. No. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. This by the way this episode's interesting because, you know, Giselle has two daughters going away to school, and we get to see it all getting teased out in one fell. Not in one fell swoop, but like this. You would think that they're just gonna be going off to school and be gone. But in this case, only one goes off to school. That means we have to get to do even more stuff with the second one later on as she goes to school.

[Ronnie Karam]

We'll get it. And it's cute because these girls are off making fresh memories. And then the next scene we go to, like, Melissa Gorga's old memories end up at Shakers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Shakers is a, I guess a gay bar, and there's gonna be a drag event, and Ashley is meeting with King Molasses, who's a drag king, and Ashley's like, you know, I've been watching you on Instagram a lot, and I'm, like, mesmerized. And King Molasses is like, appreciate that. You know, hopefully we'll be doing the very same thing on this day. I know it's a humble setup, but, you know, I've seen your show before, so it seems like this kind of matches the sort of events you guys do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shakers is the place that Melissa, like, was a stripper. Not a stripper, but, like, a go Go girl at. Right? Wasn't it called Shakers on the.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought that was Erica Jane. Was that Erica Jane? Was that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, did Erica Zane work it real.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or is it, like, Bombalonis or something?

[Ronnie Karam]

Shakers. Okay, prepare to be shaking. Physically shaking. Danielle Staub. Erica Jane danced at Shakers. Okay, so it was Danielle Staub and Erica Jane. Sorry, Melissa Gorga. Sorry, I forgot the name of hers.

[Ben Mandelker]

But, yeah, they just shakes it at Envy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I messed up my Bravo lore. So, yeah. So Shakers is this bar, and so Ashley does a lot of drag shows throughout the year, and so she is going to be a drag king. Now. Now, can I just say, you know, the drag community's so amazing. And I went to see RuPaul live when it came to Austin. It was so good. And I don't watch the show regularly because, like you said, it's like a Marvel universe where if you don't keep up with the lore, you don't know what the fuck is going on. But I was amazed at how talented these girls were. I mean, just the dancing, the high jumps, the splits. And now let me just say, after seeing King Molasses, you guys have a lot to catch up to. Because King Molasses can't even do a box step on the rhythm. Okay, King Molasses. Go over to RuPaul and check how they're doing it. They showed some King Molasses in action. I can see why you're called Molasses.

[Ben Mandelker]

King Molasses had, like, that kind of, like, swivel and then, like, point thing that. That he was doing, you know. Right, yes. Yeah, that's, you know. You know, maybe the drag king arts. I don't know much about drag kings, but maybe. Maybe we, you know, like, maybe those arts have not been funded as well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yeah, and I think that, you know, drag, traditional drag, is like men who are just wanting to be fabulous, so they become these fabulous women, whereas when it's reversed, it's like, you want to be a guy, like, who? Why? Because the guys are just like, hey, hey, I've got a number, everybody. I'm going to lip sync my dad explaining something to me that I already knew. It's like, what are you going to do? Mansplaining? Lip syncing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, and the other thing is now this. I mean, what I think is fascinating about being a drag king is that, like, women in, like, traditional sort of like, fashion or whatever, you know, women would wear dresses, you know, and men would wear pants. But, like, it's obviously not. No one bats an eye when you see a woman wearing pants or whatever. Like, women have been able to take on masculine appearances, quote, unquote, masculine appearances, but, like, for men, like, the moment you wear anything that, like, has, like, a slight twinge of, like, femininity, it's like, pussy, gay boy. You know? So, like, there's also, like, with drag queens, I feel like there's a way to be like, aha. To do it all in a way that you said I never could. Now, I don't know, because I'm not an academic about this stuff, so I may be just talking out of my ass, but I also am a podcaster. And, you know, that sometimes is what happens. It's an occupational hustle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it's interesting because the kind of the traditional roles, like you've said, are so upended now, but in the drag community, they're not necessarily in the drag community, it's like, women are like big body women and glitter and big boobs and big hair. And then the drag kings are like, I'm a sexy man in suits. And so I think it's funny that at the end of the day, the gay people are the ones upholding the rules set up by the patriarchy in the first place. You know what? I never thought about it like this until a scene from Shakers. So I would like to thank Professor Melissa Gorga. Wait, hold on. I have to apologize again. Let me apologize to the Academy of the school. I apologize to professors Erica Jain and Danielle Staub.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley is talking about how she likes singing and dancing and she did musicals and plays and music videos. And we see some of her greatest hits, including her performing Coffee and Love, a few different Pride events, and then most recently this like living and thriving song that she performed earlier in the season that, you know, forgot to put that on the ballot for most cringe. Cuz that really should have been on the ballot. Like her singing that song.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I guess cuz she sang it fresh, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was, yeah, because it was like her at that G event. She's like, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

That'S the best lyric.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So as she's like, I'm really. I'm like really also like getting into like my masculine energy a little bit too. And so King Molasses is like, so what are you thinking? And she says, I would really like to use something that's like in business attire. Like I want to like slick back hair. I want to be like American Psycho.

[Ronnie Karam]

Originally was like, so yeah, Ashley, you just want to sit on a counter. Just do that. That's a guy thing to do. Just like, do you have a kitchen counter that I could just come in here and sit on? It's how I'm raising my sons.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just sit in a chair and put your knees in opposite directions and take up everyone else's space. And that's like a very. I feel like that's a very masculine energy thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they work on some stuff and then we get a wacky slideshow of like lesson one, the slide. And King Molasses is trying to teach Ashley moves, but I don't know, it's kind of the blind leading the blind. Let's be honest. Molasses is no Fosse.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this, this was not Fosse. No, this was like one of the moves was okay. And now you will sit on the counter. It's like, here's a dance move. Hop onto the counter. And she's like, oh. I'm like, okay, I already taught my.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kids how to do this. So then they. It's a way. It's like some wacky practicing stuff. And so she's like, can I get some rip off pants because I want to throw them on somebody. And she's telling us that she invited everybody plus her mom, plus Josh, because. And then we see a shot of the flyer. Hi, beauties. I'm excited to share this flyer with you. And feel free to channel your inner masculinity too. Yeah, if I ever got that invitation, I would flush it. How dare you tell me to flash my inner masculinity. How dare you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, you know what? I already did my fantasy football draft of the year. Okay. I did it. I flexed my masculinity.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I watched the Traders once a year on Peacock. That's enough for me. And I also watched Love Island. I'm basically growing a vagina loving penis at this point. I'm probably going to turn straight soon. I've watched a lot of straight things this year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me tell you something. I just listened to one of my Dave Matthews CDs. So my masculinity, my straight bro is still here and with us. That would. That would be my. That'd be my drag king Persona. I would just be in like a flannel and like baggy jeans. Not baggy, but just like ill fitting jeans and being like, crash into me.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's kind of already me except Patti LuPone songs.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go to Kierina, who is at her med spa, which is exciting. And Giselle comes over. She's like. And so Giselle is like, you're not like the name on the wall and everything? She's like, yeah, welcome to Casey work. And she's like, wow. Wow, this is amazing. This is like a high, high rent district, Kieran.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we find out that she knows her. She's known her forever through California. And we see a flashback where she's like, wow, you've come a long way since you were using Kala as your guinea pig guy. I was like, really? Because you're the guinea pig for Cal now. Is that where gal got it? Because I've seen Cal try a lot of bad wigs on you over the years. But I do have to say that Cal has gotten a lot better over the years because have you seen pictures from season one? Like, whenever they reach out season one, I'm like, oh, my God, how is that even Giselle? Like, it doesn't even look like her personality. But yeah, he's done a good job. I think he's improved.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was, I was just watching some. Yeah, I was just watching some old seasons of Potomac like an hour ago. I was like browsing through them and I was looking through like season three or four and yeah, a lot of interesting looks and I also revisited Robin's. Her reunion hair that she had with the season where they were all dressed in yellow. I think it was season five and she had that like yellow hair that was, it was like, it was like spaghetti hanging on a rack. That was an interesting choice.

[Ronnie Karam]

That gave me a hiccup.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Karena is gonna like, she's like, she's showing everything. And for a moment it looks. Yeah, well, for a moment it looks like we're gonna have a return of the vaginal rejuvenation segment that used to plague. Bravo. But it doesn't really happen, does it? It just, we just allude to it.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, they threaten us because she's like, oh, people get their hair waxed up, do they do their vajayjays? Yeah. So you've never heard of vajayjay lasering or whatever? What is it? Waxing or lasering or whatever. And Kieran was like, yeah, that's why people do it. It's like the number. That's like the number one value meal here is makuchi and macrac. Get it done. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. When it comes to winter, it's like survival of the fittest out there. And I'm willing to do or buy whatever I can to stay cozy for the ultimate cold weather necessities made from premium materials. You've gotta check out quince.

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[Ronnie Karam]

But then Wendy arrives and she has a flat tire. And she's like, oh, my God, what happened to the. What is this? Who do I even call about this? And so she calls somebody and she's like, I have a flat tire. And they're like, your account. Your credit card is expired. She's like, not expired.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, ma'am. Also, this is a Starbucks. Oh, my God. Can you fix this? Anyway, just put some cups around my tire. Let me drive on the street.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think I've ever actually felt like a Wendy before this episode when she's just like, who do I call? My tire is flat. And coming up at 2:00pm at Cinemark on 58th Street. It's like that 777 film. Who are you calling? That's movie phone from 1990.

[Ben Mandelker]

You called 1-800-M A T T R E S. You left the last ass off for savings. Wendy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone just comes and drops a bag.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of quarters like you saved 800-555-321, Empire today. I don't even know their number. I just know that stupid jingle.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like, leave your car on the side of the road for cars for kids to date. Not 1-877-cars-for kids. No. Why did they have a tire?

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone's got a brand new number. Someone's got a brand new tire for me. Food Emporium. Food Emporium. Wait, why is Food Emporium singing about my tire? I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just random people now. She's like a flat Tire. Hold the pickles, hold the letters. Special orders. Don't upset us. All we ask is that you let us have it your way. Wait a minute. How did I call you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Riley Auto Parts. Now, that's actually a little bit on theme. It's on theme.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. That would have been a good call, actually. So they're like, your credit cards expire, and she's mortified. I think I've had this moment happen to me multiple times. But here's a question. If my credit cards expired, why don't you send me a new one? What, I gotta call you and fucking beg you? Do you want me to spend money on your credit card or capital ones? Because I'll do. I'll spend my Old Navy card. I don't care. Just if it's expired. I'm not using it again until you send me one. So send me one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just want to clarify something. I think that what happened here was that her AAA account had expired, not the credit card. And so they're like, oh. So when. Then they're like, it expired. She's like, what? It expired. When it expired, Just renew me. They're like, yeah, we'll renew it for you. So chances are, she probably got. Got a million letters from aaa, because that's what AAA does, is that they just flood you with envelope after envelope after envelope. Like, you want AAA life insurance. You want. Oh, are you interested in vegetable dressing? Salad dressing? AAA does that too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, staplers are.

[Ben Mandelker]

You want one? Just fill out this form.

[Ronnie Karam]

Nothing to worry about here. Please be seated. We've got the balsamic vinaigrette for your salad. I know it's been a rough morning on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm glad we're here. Vinaigrette association of America. Yeah. So she probably ignored all her renewal notices, but that's what I think happened.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's now. She's now mortified that she's sitting here in the front of this. This day spa with a flat tire.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, yeah. You know, I mean, my tire light came on. I just ignored it like you do. And they're like, you ignored your tire light? I got into my car and my tire lights on, and I still drove. Tire light's always on. If it gets cold, the tire light comes on. If it gets hot, the tire light comes on. Tires are the new divas. They get a lot of attention. These fucking tires.

[Ben Mandelker]

That tire light, it's like it lives to be turned on. It's like, guys, I'm doing It.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm turning myself on 0.1 psi, lower than all the other tires. And I want justice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me, Mr. Mandelka, I just want to let you know that the front left tire is only at 26 psi.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything else is at 27. Know what? Take it as advice. Do with that what you will. I'm not your mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, do. All I'm saying is I just want you to know. But you know what? So wrong, so wrong that I let you know about your tire. I'll just go back to my work. I'm going to read the David Brooks column of the Times.

[Ronnie Karam]

My tire pressure could be better, you know, could be worse, but it could be better.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I want that in the, in the machine when you put the. When you fill up the tire and it says, like, what. What it is. It's like, could be better.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So happens I feel pretty good right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

We'll drive another day. So she says, meets the girls. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she. Yeah. And she says, ladies. So, you know, it gave me a notification that my tire pressure was down and I was like, okay. And I'm just driving on the highway and I pull up and it's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I mean, sure, there was some smoke, there was some fire. You know, I couldn't get my car above 25 miles per hour. It felt like I was driving over 10 million logs. But like, I had no idea my tire was flat.

[Ronnie Karam]

And this is such a 2025 thing to say, even though it was said in 2024. It's a modern thing to say. Giselle goes, the car should have stopped you. You know, that is so. No, it should not have stopped you. And that's what people say when they drink too much. They're like, I was overserved. No, your ass drank too much. Don't blame the bartender. Okay, you drunk. You drank too much. Gotta say that, though. Now that's one of those things that I've always hated that term. But I say that now. I'm like, I was overserved.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, this tire was overserved. It seems like with holes and. But I don't think. I don't know that that's a function that cars have that if you get like a flat tire, the car. Entire car stops. I think that sounds so dangerous. Like you're on the highway, you like get a flat and you just halt while every other car can just like ram you up the ass.

[Ronnie Karam]

I warned you about my psi. You did nothing. I'M just gonna sit here. You can deal with the ramifications.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am flat, and I want everyone just to go around me, okay? I'm not in the mood. I'm flat today.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they talk about her flat tire for too long because, you know, it's the season. So then the associate brings in champagne. I don't think this happens much at Kieran, as I just don't believe it so. Because you know why? Because we were somewhere where they never gave us champagne. Oh, HD Buttercup. They don't give me champagne, but on tv, they'll give people champagne, so. I don't believe this. TV champagne.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. I don't believe I've never been served champagne. There's one time. There was one time I went into a fancy store and was browsing and they. They gave me champagne. But other than that, no, never. It doesn't happen in real life.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they start talking about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pretty much had to crown the champagne also, by the way. I had to, like, tell a story. And they're like, do you want some champagne? I was like, sure. I, like, basically faked my champagne delivery.

[Ronnie Karam]

What was your story about, like, needing champagne?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I basically. No, this was last year when we were going specific. I was like, so I am building a restaurant and we're looking to get champagne. So, no, I. I basically. I went to a store and I was looking for a suit for when we went to the iHeart Awards. And I was. I was basically like, I'm going to an award show. And they're like, excuse me. Like these. As soon as you say award show, they pull out that champagne. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, I guess I'll have this champagne now. I'll pretend like I'm actually a Oscar nominee.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Hell, yeah. We should just go through life like that. Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to an award show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse us. Hi. Welcome. Welcome to Olive Garden. How can I help you? Oh, one moment. I'm going to an awards show later. What did you say again?

[Ronnie Karam]

I just have one request for this cast. Could you stop asking about Greg? Literally, nobody cares about Greg. Why are we asking Kieran about Greg five times an episode? Greg is stupid. Greg is boring. Greg doesn't want to be on the show. Get rid of Greg. I'm tired of Greg. And so they're like, what about your stupid relationship that nobody cares about? And she's like, like, oh, you know, I just don't know if I'm gonna. I was thinking of hyphenating my name, but I'm just the kind of woman. I would never hyphenate my name. I'm. I'm my name. Well, except he doesn't like that because he said a man should be a man and a woman should be a woman. So I'm just gonna take his last name, but I'll still pretend I have my last name on my business. I was like, well, I don't know if this is a feminism storyline. I think you need to just get rid of that guy. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he seems just like a lump. He's a lump in a polo shirt. Okay, you know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Say that on this show because we've got Uncle Lump who's.

[Ben Mandelker]

We actually have a good lump. Okay. He is. He is like an annoying low pressure light. He's like, I'm still a man. Hello. I just want to say, everyone, hi. I'm a man. My life just went on. I just want to tell you I'm not going to hyphenate because I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Where's my dinner? My favorite man question, like stereotypical man question. Where's my dinner? You're a lady. Where's my dinner? I don't know. Where's your fucking doordash, bitch? Open it up. I can't watch Greg storylines.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, you're also like, sir. You literally have a non profit that literally could stand to profit from the amount of publicity a show like this can give you and actually like do good with that. And you're still going to be like, like, no, it's women arguing. Oh, man, no, come on, get over.

[Ronnie Karam]

And even if you're not in it for the soul money of it, and you're not like a, you know, money hungry, shallow person like 90 of the rest of the world, I mean, it's still got stuff that it's giving you. I mean, it's handing you Mia on a silver platter if you're really just in it to do good. No one needs social work more than Mia's family. So be thankful for what the Lord has given you. You know what I mean? Greg, stop complaining, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kieran is like, well, as long as I can be publicly hearing from sworn parsley, I don't have real meaning. So Kieran is like, I grew up in like a very middle class household and both my parents are military and they got divorced when I was very young. But like, you know, my dad and I have a relationship and my mom's so independent and we See her mom coming through the spa and saying, like, starting at Thanksgiving, we should talk about collecting cans and giving back. And we want to do more B2B. I was like, yes, independent lady. But this was very much like, bravo. Like business lady. Like, I'm holding a manila envelope cuz I care about business. I want to do more BNB. It's like, okay, sure. Business.

[Ronnie Karam]

B2B. We're getting down. B2B. What does B2B stand for?

[Ben Mandelker]

Business to business.

[Ronnie Karam]

Business to business.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's how you know she's like a businesswoman. B2B.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not a business person. I didn't know what that IKR, BTB, IRL.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I right? To BH. This is very B2B.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Come on, honey. We're doing more for this Christmas. We're collecting cats. Mom, why did you take that bag of cans away from that person? Without a house, I win. So Merry Christmas from the caroms.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kieran is like, saying how it impacted her as a grown woman because she's like, I'm not gonna take your. And we see a flashback to Greg being, you know, a jerk, as usual. And Kieran just sitting there like, this guy. I'm way too out of his league. How much, by the way, also, Kieran, on top of. On top of everything else, you are literally so far out of his league. I mean, he is really punching up with you. So, yeah, know your worth. Know your worth.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And you know, he wants her to hold a broom. I want her hold of the broom, too. I just want her to shove it up his ass. Like, I can't take this guy. So he's like, yeah, I need to take care of you because I'm a man and things need to go like this, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, I'm like, don't retire me. You need to leave. He's not going to change. He's not going to change. So Giselle's like, well, I think it's a conversation about respect. He needs to respect the work that you have put into BK Stuart.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's just stored.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, you weren't the Vampire Diaries.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Panic room. Speaking of which, I'm going to panic if I stay in this small room much longer. What's the deal with that broken down car out front? Front. Sawyer. That's mine. Flat tire.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it wasn't. It wasn't Vampire Diaries. It was Kiss of Vampire. Yes. Twilight.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kieran is basically like, you know, she just wants him to see that. It's like Whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

She keeps talking. She needs to stop. They need to stop this. Okay, change the subject. So then we.

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle does it really well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Karen. Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle changes it really well. She goes, we haven't discussed Karen, by the way. We're 30 minutes into talking about this person. Greg. We haven't talked shade about Karen, and we just went on vacation with her. Let's make fun of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And they're like, oh, my God, I'm so worried about Karen. You know, like, this is taking a toll on her. I mean, she looks strikingly different. And they talk about how different Karen looks. I don't think Karen looks any different, do you?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think maybe a little skinnier. That she looks as different as any of them do when they come back from a season. If anyone looks different as Mia, Mia is always one. Shape shifting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. How can you tell when Karen's different? She always looks like different parts of, like, a Chuck E. Cheese animatronic character shutting down. You know, in between shows at the. At the restaurant where, like, one of her eyes is flickering for a minute and then it just, like, closes and the other eye is still open. And then the mouth is kind of, like, still half open. She's always. Different states of Chuck E. Cheese shut down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Karen always gives me, like, sock puppet with googly eyes, you know, like. Like, I just feel like. Like, if you put it, she just has different socks on at any given time, but it's still like that same, sort of. Especially when she does her mouth and she starts doing the sucking thing. It's very much like the way, like a sock puppet, the fingers will come over the thumb. And I think, you know, it's like the sock can change, but we recognize our. Our. Our sock puppet nonetheless.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they talk about, oh, my God, Karen's getting skinny. Okay, first of all, Wendy, didn't you just have a full body makeover, like, two years ago? What do you. What are we skinny shaming people for on this show? People are always getting skinny. You're Real Housewives. That's the, like. That seems to be the. The running theme.

[Ben Mandelker]

Actually, I mentioned that to her. I said, karen looks like you're getting skinny girl margaritas while you drive. You should probably stop doing that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she said she hasn't been eating. But Wendy's like, well, something is happening. And she goes, well, she's lost a lot of weight. But don't worry, everybody. We don't have to call the police. It's not Ozempica. Ozempica. Ozempica. And then Kieran tells us, I think it's Ozempic. And it is Ozempic. But Karen in one of her, like, I'm gonna be slammed by the public. Everybody hates Ozempic users. Instead of just saying she's on Ozempic, everybody was accusing Ozempic people of trying to kill diabetics because they were stealing their medication. And so Karen's doing that thing where she's like, well, I'm partly diabetic. I was raised half diabetic. My father comes from a long, long line of half diabetics. I'm actually an eighth diabetic. I need it. I need it for my health.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, one thing that we like to do in Surry county is we like to do a little bit of the gambling. And so one thing we do is we bet on ticks. We bet to see which tick is gonna go the farthest. So in that way, I'm sort of a die hard bet betting tick sort of person. So hence diabetic.

[Ronnie Karam]

I bet ticks. And you know what's so sad?

[Ben Mandelker]

Apologies, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

I lose. I lose often against these ticks.

[Ben Mandelker]

These ticks are so crafty. I roll my dice. I roll my dice. I say, okay, get a higher die number ticket because I'm playing die or bet dicks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Karen's losing to dice games to ticks. She's losing dice games to ticks. So now it's the big Ozempic scandal. Dun, dun, dun. And Giselle's like, well, I don't think it's Ozempic. Gah. Because I asked her about Ozempic. Gah. It's Karen, though. Why are you believing Karen at face value?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Wendy's like, well, I noticed on one of the nights in Panama, she went to bed really early. She looked really tired. I'm like, part of it is that you're on vacation. Part of it is that everyone around her is exhausting. Part of it is that she's in her 60s and maybe she's getting a little tired now. And part of it is also like, actually, yeah, like they're acting like it's crazy that you might be stressed out about a case that might send you away for two years in jail. And they're like, she seems really worried. She seems. Seems like something's on her mind. It's like, yeah, no shit, Sherlock.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and also getting worried that somebody gets tired of hanging out with you lot. I guarantee you half the audience went to bed before Karen did. Did.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kieran was like, no shade. Everyone but it could really just be a weight loss side effect. Like, it makes you sleepy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Giselle's like, no way to sell it, Kieran. Jesus. Doesn't losing weight sound fun? Everybody get healthy. You'll just be exhausted all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's like a Kieran and Greg scene. So Giselle is like. She's like, well, I thought it was stress over her case. See, what I'm trying to do, girls, is use this as a way to get into talking about her case and how she's going to go to jail and why won't everyone talk about that? You guys keep talking about oic. We need to talk about Karen going to jail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here I am thinking that Karen is stressed out because she's. She's about to go to the clinker for running into a tree, and now you're. Nope. You're taking shots in the butt. That's why you're upset.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Karen was like, yeah, well, you know, Karen is. I mean, Karen's my girl, and we share beauty tips all the time. So let me just say that this. If it's for diabetes, I understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So when, like. Well, I don't know how to navigate it without feeling like I'm overstepping. And so they're going to have this big talk with Karen. Nobody gives a. Everybody's on Ozempic, and if you guys aren't admitting it, you're going to get caught soon anyway. You're fucking housewives. You're all on it. I don't believe it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And since when does anyone ever care about overstepping on this show? So when you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Karen. You guys have been dragging Karen for weeks. The only reason you're not dragging her more is because she just bows out. She's like, I can't speak about it. It's a very big case. So may I may, may or may not have murdered my parents after possible abuse, and Ryan Murphy may or may not have made a show about it. Karen, you are not the Menendez brothers. Prove it. Prove it. We'll see in court.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, like, I don't want to overstep with Karen. However, here's a basket full of Uber cards that she can enjoy. And I left a pizza on her doors. So Wendy's. Wendy's phone rings, and it's like the tow truck guy. And she's like, oh, you outside? He's like, yes. She goes, oh, my God, thank you so much. And he goes, my pleasure, love. And they all just, like, crack up. They're like, whoa, whoa. We need to see this guy. We never. How did they not? I needed to see who this person was. I could not believe they didn't show us the guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, love. Humby right outside ready to stick my hook into your bumper and drag you through the city like the gorgeous beast you are.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, oh, well, we'll just have to imagine commercials.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here comes one right now.

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[Ben Mandelker]

Now, this is funny. We have a scene with Ray and G at a restaurant called Ms. Toyas.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is also Ms. Toyas.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just Toya.

[Ronnie Karam]

Every time an order's up, you just hear, UV get the food.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have the Nomad MD appetizer. So. So they sit down and they're saying hi and everything, and they're just joking. It's like. It's like, you know, old guy talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right? We have to talk about the old guy talk because it is so funny. First of all, how did the scene even happen? This show's come to a dark place when they're like, ray, we need you to film a scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, I'll just hold Karen's purse over. No, Ray, not Holding Karen's purse with another guy. How do I do that? I don't think we've ever seen it before. So they actually send G and Rhea to a restaurant. And so Ray is like, so have you been out and about at all? And G goes, well, mostly in air conditioner because my big toe starts to ache.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have scouts do more of this. He's like, I have gout. So we've come to the pool a couple of times, but we don't go until it's like four in the afternoon. And Ray's like, oh, yeah, these days it's actually warmer. Which it wasn't that way in the old days, in my mind at least. You know, 12:00, 1:00, high noon, 2:00, 2:30, 1:45, 1:15, 1:05, 1:13, 1:37, 1:56pm Those were all the hottest times.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my toe. Sorry, sorry. It's just my toe. And people won't stop talking about times. My toe just starts flaring up.

[Ben Mandelker]

His toe has maniac.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everybody call Kieran his company. Yeah, here's why. Because I'm a cheap guy. I bring the kids out when it's shady so I don't have to buy sunscreen. Yep, that's how to. That's how to watch the pennies.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they order food and GS like, so, yeah, some stuff I saw going on in the papers and, you know, I called you and Ray's like, oh, yeah, that's right. Well, so the good news is that Karen, you know, Karen's physical. And you could never tell that she had an accident or anything like that, you know. And you know what? She didn't hurt anybody, you know, So a traffic median got torn up. No big whoop. A tree fell down. Who cares? A lemonade, sand flattened, but no one got hurt.

[Ronnie Karam]

She thinks. She thinks she'll be cleared of everything. After all, she is Thomas Jefferson's concubine and she already got another car, so. And she's like, so did she get a Rolls Royce this time? And they start laughing. And so Ray is talking about how he's controlling less and less, you know, and he's like, I don't know if you have that feeling, but yeah, I'm sure. And G goes, yeah, Is the Pope Catholic?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, you know who you're talking to. Shit we're going to do. We're doing a great job co parenting. I mean, I had the kids 25 days out of 30 days in June and everybody's like, so you add them 24, 7. At that point, even during the hottest hours of the day, like 12:00 or 1:00 or 2:00. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, Karen told me something that you had the kids when Mia went to Panama.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Ray is basically there on a fishing expedition for Karen. And I love that, Ray, because normally the women on these shows order food but never touch the food. That's the rule. Ray, Ray and G are going to eat this food. They do not give a. And Ray's eating like a huge piece of shrimp. And he's like, so Panama. Panama. Just go. Go with it. And he's like, well, there were a couple of decisions that I made that were questionable or that were made that were questionable. So I picked up my kids. And so Ray was saying, you know, like, Mia was so concerned about it. But I'm thinking, well, if he's the dad, what's the problem with him picking up his kids? And Ray, I'm sorry, but can I pull you aside and let me tell you about a little friend I have. Have. His name is Mania.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Ray goes, I mean, I. I don't see why there'd be an issue unless you were to do something crazy like take the kids to Charlotte, which I did not know anything about. You definitely didn't take them to Charlotte or anything like that. Right. And he's like, well, you know, early in the period when we separated, she was with another guy and had the kids there. And Ray's like, is that ink? Hold on, let me just pull up my pen. I'm just really trying to write this all down for Karen. One second. Ink, right? Inc. Or ink.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, yeah. So basically, you know, I had to go to Atlanta to get my kids back because Mia was just taking the kids over, like, here's your new daddy. And Ray says, well, I thought you were amicable. And he's like, well, it depends on who you ask, because the factor of the matter is I don't know him well enough to like or not like him. What I do know is that he's had several affairs with his wife. And I put my foot down the first time, the second time, the third time. And at this point, I'm basically my own tap company. And I will tap dancing because the music lives within me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ray's like. And like a mature adult, if you will. Sometimes we just raise ourselves above it all. Am I right? That was Ray giving a little scold there. And G is like, no, that's hard to get by. I mean, I don't think I can adequately do what you suggest. I can't rise above it all, Okay? I married a trash box, and now my life is filled with trashbox. So I'm gonna move it, move beyond and move above, because I got myself to deal with.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they break for prayer, which is nice. And then they go back to talking about whom he is fucking. And he's like, you know, and this really frost my ass. He brought it up initially, thinking that my son was his son. And Ray's like, oh, yeah, I like that story. So which one? Is it true or is it not true? Or did they already take the skin off of this shrimp? Because I've got something crunchy in my teeth. I think I just swallowed a tooth. And he's like, yeah, actually, I did get a paternity test and my son is a shrimp. Damn this shrimp. No, my son is my son. Oh, well, good for you. Can I get a tiny fork down my throat?

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's true. G is Jeremiah's father. It's official. So Ray's like, oh, that's beautiful. I was hoping to bring something back a little more salacious for Karen, but that works. That's okay. That's fine. And G's like, yeah. So I waited a couple weeks and I showed it to her. And Rhea's like, so Mia hasn't told anybody this. And he's like, I don't know. It's a dead issue now at this point.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So it's confusing. And Ry also didn't get the good deets. Like, we need to know the timeline. When did you get this paternity test? How long has Mia known? Has it been the whole season that she's still trying to make this. You know, at least half the season that she's been trying to make this a thing because Mia shady. You know. So Ry goes, well, that's good. Yeah. You know, it was interesting because when Karen was pregnant with Raven, she said, now, you know, sometimes I have, like a little blue eyes and gray eyes in my family. And I'm like, no, you don't. I was like, damn, Ray just dropped way more than I thought he was going to drop. This is turning into a really good scene. Karen was telling him, now, listen, if our baby comes out with blue eyes and blue hair, it's because of my great, great grandfather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I wasn't sure what Ray was getting at here because he's basically throwing Karen under the bus, right? Saying that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because he was, like, saying, like, bear.

[Ronnie Karam]

With old blue eyes the whole time.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I think what he also said is because he. Because he says, you know, I said, no, you don't. And I'm not going to be looking for any blue eyes or gray eyes. So maybe the implication is, if you have an affair, if you had an affair and there's a child, like, this child's mine. Like, I'm raising it. I don't care if it has blue eyes. I'm not gonna be looking to see if it has blue eyes. Like, this child will be my child. I think that's sort of what he's implying. I couldn't quite tell. Or is just Ray just kind of nattering?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think so. I think Karen was like, this could possibly be Frank Sinatra's child. And he was just like, so then. And rhe still doesn't seem to quite get it. I'm not really sure what's going on in the scene, but I'm really liking. So G is like, okay. Yeah. So let me tell you, you know, there's some really good things coming out of this. I took a good, hard look at myself. Listen, what I've done. I've printed my own pamphlets, and I've arranged them on a countertop so I don't need her. I don't need her anymore. I'm a new man.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And, you know, he's like, with my bipolar medicine, we'll only take you part of the way there, and you have to do the rest by yourself. And what I suggested to me, and most recently is, let's have some postmarital counseling until you're serious about getting married. Married. Or I'm serious about getting married. Like, why even get a divorce? So then it turns out that. Well, actually, the first thing that happens is the server comes over and like, do you have bread pudding? Because I'm not gonna eat this cornbread if there's a bread pudding option. Okay. Just wanted to see, like. Yeah, but so it seems like they're not even getting divorced because it seems like they're still in a kind of like, let's see what happens phase according to G. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Stacy. Going to talk to a lawyer. Well, she's interviewing a lawyer. And so she's like, well, first of all, let me say that I've been married for 16 years. Can you believe it?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know? And the lawyer is like, so you're currently separated? And she says, oh, over a year now. I've already sought out a mediator But I want to make sure that I'm making the right decisions. For instance, the decision to bring these beautiful earrings now available for the low, low price of $59.99. They look like they're $3,000, but they are less than 60. That is a good decision. Make your phone calls now, because they will not last in stock.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, sometimes you have to look deeply at marriage and say, this isn't only a tennis shoe. It's also a water bottle. Eight pavements of $9.99. You could have it, too. Do you know how many. Stay on focus. Stay on focus. You're not on PVC right now, right? Let's talk about your divorce. So she's like, yeah, you know, I'm just in the dark about some things. And so we see a flashback of her telling the ladies, like, well, I guess there were some surprising things. Like, suddenly there were bank accounts I didn't know about and businesses in my name. And they're like, whoa. Or whatever she said, you know, those are not exact quotes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So the lawyer's like, okay, so going forward, what are the top three things that are most important to you? And she goes, goes, well, number one would have to be Arabella, and I will have her during the school year, and then he will take her during the summer months. And then the second thing is that I waived the right to child support, because, as we all know, men keep their word, and they're always going to support their children no matter what.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's so crazy that she's doing. I don't understand what she's doing here. I groaned audibly. So she's like, so, did you sign a prenup? No, they did not. And how do your incomes compare? Are they similar? She's like, no, no, no. He makes a substantially larger amount of money than I do. But now, if we weren't counting money and we were counting ability to cut a Diet Coke can with one knife that can literally cut through steel. I mean, I'm pretty rich in that department.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, where I have a lot of wealth in my ability to throw to weather. Okay, Chuck, tell us about what's coming down the pike this weekend. There's no weatherman here. And yet I did that anyway. Just shows how good I am at that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so she's like, so, what about alimony? She says, I will go forward with alimony. So she's like, okay, so are you. Before we get all the way to finances, let's just make sure on custody that we've Got everything covered. And she's like, well, he takes care of everything that Orabella needs. There's nothing that I ever have to pay for, so why would I need child support? Surely it's going to be exactly the same when I'm living with another man in his home and the home that we bought together as a family.

[Ben Mandelker]

When he sees my special friend TJ in his mess mesh shirt, I'm sure my ex will say, give more money to Arabella. Nothing could possibly go wrong. I'm sorry, lawyer lady, but you're sadly mistaken about the status of my ex husband.

[Ronnie Karam]

And the lawyer is like, yeah, so when you're divorcing, it seems like people are one thing, but then they get mad and then they changed. And she's like, oh, what? That's crazy. I'm gonna have to think about that. I'm 100% sure that you're wrong, though. I guarantee you're wrong. Did you know that if you have this toothbrush, you can use Coca Cola to clean a toilet? Only $6 a month.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the lawyer is like, so what's your reason for wanting to waive child support but not the alimony? And she goes, well, in terms of Arabella, we've just made the decision that he would take care of that, and I'm confident that he will do that. Almost as confident as I am that this new wet dry vac will take care of any stain in your carpet. Available now for 175.99.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so the lawyer's trying to explain to her gently, like, okay, so you're. You're making sure that it's in writing because you don't trust that he will take care of you. You. But you do trust that he'll take care of Arabella. And she goes, maybe that is what I'm doing. She's like, okay, so don't you want to also maybe ensure that your daughter is also going to have that level of support moving forward, you know, in writing? And she's like. I'm looking at her, and I can almost see the terror in her eyes. But she is a hundred percent wrong about my husband. He's a good, good person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No, I mean, listen, people who excel in corporate America are famously pretty chill, nice, not very cutthroat people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I wouldn't worry about it whatsoever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're also good with their morals.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sure he's not going to do anything like, you know, show your daughter the high life when she's living with him. And then, you know, now you have to go back to Mom's house or living in a bed made out of old scrunchies. And. And I'm sure he wouldn't do anything like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

The lawyer's like, have you ever heard of a book called Cinderella where there's, like, an evil stepmom, you know? Have you thought about that? She's like, yes, yes, I have thought about that. And I would be so excited if Arabella wound up with glass slippers. That's all I want for her. It's like, yeah, no, this gig got really bad very quickly, Stacy. Listen to the lawyer there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And also, I wish the lawyer was like, listen, I work on commission, so if you don't want anything, what's your husband's number? I'll go work for him because he's going to take you to the fucking cleaners, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now we go to the Container Store, which is such a delightful twist. I was not expecting that. And you know what's so funny about the Container Store, I find, is that I feel like everyone universally loves the Container Store. You talk to people, they're like, oh, my God, I got to go to the Container Store. People love the Container Store. And yet every time I go into the Container Store, it looks exactly like it does in this scene, which is just, like, empty and strangely quiet. And you're like, there's nothing about the Container Store that should actually be fun. It should feel oppressive and sad in there. But I always have the best time.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just am always mortified at how much things cost to contain things. Like, you want to charge me $50 for a plastic box? No, I'm not giving that to you. I can get it to Target. Even at Target, it's 10. And I'm like, this is a plastic box box. $2. I'll give you $2.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Container Store also has such a strange way of organizing their goods. For a store that's all about organization. If you're like, hey, I'm looking for, like, a small box that I could put some pencils in. They're like, oh, yes. So we have some on aisle three in the office supplies. Oh, and then also aisle 43 near the pet supplies. And I think we may have one over by vehicle storage. Like, why are the pencil boxes scattered across. Across the store?

[Ronnie Karam]

Different themes. Because they have different themes of plastic boxes, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Flash Giselle's like, I'm an accomplished woman, and every accomplished woman needs a trip to the Container Store. Ding. So she walks through there with her kids and she's talking about her dad's will, which is completely fucked up, because as she told us in another episode, what it seems like she's saying is that his new wife, or his new werewolf wife went in and changed his will when he had brain damage and is trying to pass that off as a new will. Is that kind of what she's saying? I shouldn't say wife. Maybe like his new family or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's someone. There's someone in there who, like, took advantage of his ailing state and was. And put in basically, like a. A bunk will. So it's all being contested.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, you know, and I wanted to make sure that I'm passing that on to my children. Generational wealth is important. Important. So we're storing it in plastic boxes.

[Ben Mandelker]

That are too expensive. So now we're going to lose our generational wealth because we spent all that time trying to contain it. So, yeah, so she's just trying to deal with this. So one of the twins has already gone off to school, but it doesn't mean. Now, normally you would buy the stuff for both twins at the same time, but, no, we are staggering the. The buying the dorm goods. So now one twin is off. We still have one twin left over. And they're looking around and they're just joking. Giselle's talking about coming to visit for a party, and Adora's like, no, God, don't come. You'll just be like the crazy old woman at the party. She's like, excuse me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Stacy and TJ on a date. And of course they have to go to a place with a childish name because she's taking her child, T.J. to lunch. So they go somewhere called Treehouse.

[Ben Mandelker]

Treehouse.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is everything infantile about this man? For Christ's sake? Is there no BOA in this town?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, what would be the adult name instead of Treehouse? It would be like the Container Store.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm trying to have a conversation with you. Could you please come out of that box?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if that phrase is welcome around tj. So TJ is like, yeah, wow. We never get a chance to hang out. And so I wanted to do something that I thought I would enjoy, especially because we're outside and there's sunshine and something I think you would enjoy, because we don't. We don't get to do anything. And I don't know, I just thought, like, maybe since we don't ever get to do anything. I would just start things off on kind of a passive aggressive note.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. This whole scene, TJ has decided that he's gonna be a huge victim now. Like, what the hell? He, like, changes his whole plot in this scene, which is really weird. So she's like, well, isn't this a treat for us? Do you like treats? I love treats. Okay, watch out. A treat's coming into your mouth right now. Meatball on the train. Meatball. I was coming up to a tunnel. He's like, no, I want to talk about serious things in the treehouse. Can I get a menu I can color on?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think the reason why TJ is spinning this on to Stacy when you know about, like, where he's becoming the victim is because he's getting flack from the other women. And he'll know. He'll get it from the audience about the fact that he is actually withholding intimacy from Stacy. And so this is kind of a. I'm gonna flip that and put it on Stacy, which is. You're withholding from me. You're not giving me Stacy to time.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's true. And he's also doing a thing which is a. You know, I mean, as a working actor, but he's not a rich working act. You know what I mean? He's like a blue collar, I guess you would say working actor. And the minute she says, guess what, my husband's going to move out. Which she does. Tell him. He's like, oh, why aren't we closer? Can I move in? Like, babe. No, you. No, you janky. Go get your own apartment, sir. Okay. This is not a holiday in.

[Ben Mandelker]

He just wants to shoot more scenes with her. He wants to make more of a splash on the show about. And I love that she's actually seems to be relatively unfazed. She just sort of smiles. Has this blank smile on her face and doesn't really. I'm not going to say she doesn't fall for the tricks, but she seems like she's like, oh, oh, well, you feel that way. Okay. Like it's not your. He doesn't get, like, he doesn't need to get a rise out of her if that's what his intention is. She just keeps on sort of like robo, like fembotting through the scene, which.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is what I love is. And so he's basically trying to get into her house. And for now it's just visits. But I don't believe it. I know he's got a pack a bag packed in the trunk of his Honda you know, and so she's like, you know, while we really. Well, I love tj. It just doesn't feel right to have TJ at my house yet. That's where Arabella sleeps. It's my sanctuary. It's Arabella sanctuary. My husband and I have been very cordial and respectful, and I don't want to mess that up, especially for Arabella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, I just don't think it's fair for TJ to be pressuring Stacy when she says she needs time. She. She doesn't want to rush this. When, again, sir, you are the one who is withholding, like, even the lightest, like, not even booty. You're, like, withholding any sort of, like, touch or anything. So, like, you can't ask her for pat, but then when she asks you for patience, you get all pouty at the treehouse.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he's doing this whole weird thing now. I don't like it. And he's like, it just feels like you're hiding me. Since when? She's brought you on to TV 10 times, and you've acted like a jackass every single one of the times. What, are you mad that you didn't get to go on the girls trip? Because that's really all that's happened between the last episode you were on in this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, do you remember your at home pizza making thing? Oh, I would hide you too. I would hide you too. Yeah. They showed a clip of him last week at one point. I don't remember the context, but at one point they referenced TJ and they just. The producers are just, like, mocking him because they do a flashback to the pizza party moment, and they just show the most ridiculous clip of him, like, sort of prancing to the kitchen. I was like, oh, these producers don't like him.

[Ronnie Karam]

They don't. So she's like, what do you need for me to make you feel good about this? That word is xylophone. Just circle it. Oh, my God. I got one. You're welcome. Are we good here?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I just want you to play the glockenspiel. All right, well, you're in luck. I brought one. Arabella, I'll have the glockenspiel now. Bring it in. So he. That's when he says, like, well, let me get out my chalk. And he pretends he's, like, gonna write on a board and everything. And he's basically like, yeah. He's like, I want you to tell your husband that we're dating. How about, like, you. How about, like, since. Why does she have to do that? When you literally just told the whole group of people that you're not dating and that you're, like, seeing someone in California?

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, he said that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Didn't he say that when they said. Or at the very least, he did tell the group that they're not dating?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he said. Yeah, it was that game. And they're saying, you can't say that you're dating him because you're. Technically. He hasn't said you're dating yet or something like that. And he said, I have to agree with them. Right? Is that what you're. You mean. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? At this point, who. Who the hell cares? I don't care. My case is. I don't know. My case probably had a lot of. I don't have a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Trying to remember what happened. But, yeah, he's basically now this big, white, mopey, whiny guy. And also, why would you want her to tell her husband that that's going to infuriate him and try and get. Be more ruthless in the divorce. And if you're a user and want to use her money, you're going to need that money. So you're just. You're just bad at this, T.J. okay? You're bad at being a fuck boy because you don't. And you're bad at being a mister because you ruined the divorce. You're no fun. You're bad at this, okay? You need someone better to bang. Ma'am, go find him. I believe in you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she tells us TJ has never been married and he doesn't have children, so it's hard for him to understand. But for the last 16 years, I had a husband who would never wear a mesh shirt on tv. And I also had a life and a social standing in my community, and I just don't feel like myself. I can't move any faster because then I reflect on the fact that I did used to have social standing in the community, and now I have tj.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, well, I think I lose sight of all the things you have to deal with because I've been so patient and understanding all this time. Oh, really? You're dating a married woman? Sir, first of all, you are not patient and understanding, okay? You're just keeping all the wrong things in your pants. Okay, you know what we want also to come out of your pants? A wallet every once in a while. Tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then he starts to do his, like, hey, I had. I was an extra on Grey's Anatomy, so I can cry. So he goes, like, I just. I don't want you to feel like you're in limbo, and I. I have your back, but if you did me, I could do that too. You won't be by yourself.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. So she's like, oh, babe, this is why I love you. But I think she's getting slowly turned off by this. I don't think she's gonna like this role reversal. Although I think they're still together. That said, they were on what Happens Live a few weeks ago together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's true. They were. So she goes, TJ has been anxiously waiting, and I just want to continue loving each other and being best friends, and let's just see what happens. I know he'll wait for me and for Arabella.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's, like, all distraught. He can't even walk. She's like, look at tj. Such a good person. So basically, she's like, I know he's anxiously waiting. I just want to continue loving each other and being best friends. Okay, this girl, this is the third time she's changed her storyline. At first, she was not, like, this character at all. She was, like, more forceful and like, I am leaving. I'm not putting up with this. And then three episodes into it, she's like, I'm gonna play this kind of, like, rose nylon, and, like, sweet, innocent, naive person. And now she's changing her whole relationship status to pretend that she's been the one not wanting things to go further with TJ this whole time when the whole plot has been him. You can't just change the plot. Is there no storyboarding here?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. This is one of those rare relationships where I actually am just, like, whatever it is. Like, if this. This week, it's this dynamic, I'm just, like, sure it's fine. Fine. Because I'm like, it's weird. Like, I don't care about them, but I don't get mad by them. I'm amused by them, but I'm not. Like, I don't get worked up by them. I just feel like he's a loser. I feel like she's great, and I think that she's funny, and I just. I think that she will ultimately move onwards and upwards. I think that she just comes slumming it with TJ right now because she doesn't know what to do with her life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean, I hope he's just a placeholder. Co Learn. Okay, so now we go to Karen and Ray's and she's doing that thing where it's like, oh my God, honey, what should I wear? And she's showing him all these outfits and she's like, well, as she's doing a show, typically it's my, my queens, my drag queens. But she's tapping into the masculine side of herself, whatever that means. I guess she'll be grabbing a few asses of cameramen. Watch yourselves out there, boys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ray's like, oh, is she part of the show? She's like, yes, Ray, she's part of the drag. But she wants us to tap into a masculinity. I don't have a masculine bone on my body. My favorite fragrance wasn't called La man, it was called La Dame. So now I went into your closet and I took this out. A shiny golf shirt with the logo about some sort of title. He's like, oh yeah, my title is shirt. But she's actually taken like a, like a button down shirt and everything. And so, you know, they're just like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talking about masculine bone in my body. I thought I was pregnant with a blue eyed baby. Get it right. I don't. Good. You never will, Ray. You never will.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's talking about this stuff and then eventually like after this chit chat, he's like, oh, by the way, I went to lunch with Gordon the other day and she was like, oh, really? I had no idea. I wasn't totally sitting in the parking lot waiting for you to come out and tell me everything. How was that?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, well, let me give you the tea. He. So he's basically telling her everything that he said, which basically is that she's a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, she's the father.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's the father of the kid.

[Ben Mandelker]

And like, why shouldn't he be there with the kids? And Karen's like, but she also said that she has full custody. And he's like, yeah, I don't know how that would be then. And we see a flashback of that when Mia said that she had full custody, which, remember when we were recapping it, we were like, if Mia has full custody, why is like, why is he picking the kids up? You know? So Ray is like, well, the custody thing. Unless the judge says you got custody or you've got part custody, I don't think that that's happened because he's saying he's had them the whole time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, fishing. Not surprising. But it always is kind of surprising with me. Even though I know she's a compulsive liar. But this is a really. These are really big lies. But then it's a. Are we going to believe G on everything, too? I mean, it's not, like, exactly worthy source either. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, these people really are. I mean, it's hilarious. But they. I mean, I don't know. I think they're both lying, but the question is trying to figure out when they're lying and when they're telling the truth. Seray is like, yeah, like. Like that. Basically, G doesn't like that Ink is around the kids without Mia. And Karen's like, well, Mia told us that they're like the black braid bunch. Ray is like, well, I was surprised and I didn't ask, but he volunteered that he had a paternity test. She's like, oh, thank God someone finally got to the bottom of this. What's the. It's Ink's child. Is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's Ink. It's a little link. He's like, no, it's actually G's kid. She's like, wow, well, that's good. That's good. You know, G wanted this baby to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Be his, so she's like, well, nobody brought it in your life, Mia. You opened it. And the fact that you knew about this some time ago. Hold on, let me suck my teeth real good for this one. Withholding information after making people pray over you. Pray over you. I've wasted a prayer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And we see clips of where, you know, Mia's like, guys, Gordon's in Mania. And Karen's like, and you're not gonna give them the truth? It actually tells me everything I've been thinking. You're a liar.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Ray's like, yeah, he's not happy. And he's like, you know, he was saying, why? What's point of even getting divorced if we're not getting remarried? And Karen's like, oh, well, she's acting like the divorce is almost done. And he's like, well, he's acting like shrimp is supposed to come without the skin on. It really hurt, Ray, what are you talking about? Sorry, go ahead. Me, Ray, what are you talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

Shrimp with skin. This is ridiculous. Ray, stay on task.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's over it. So now we go to Ashley's Drag King show at Shakers. Don't Understand. Done. And the girls start arriving, and it's one of those, oh, my God, you look amazing. No, you look amazing. And then they settle in to have a drink, and then it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Kieran had a Fight with Greg.

[Ronnie Karam]

You look great, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kieran had a fight with Greg because, you know, he. He basically doesn't like that she's filming the show. And Wendy's. Wendy's. Like, whoa. Well, that's terrible. Gosh, I would feel terrible. I would just hate for this to be a situation where she has to make a choice between being famous and on television around fabulous women or being with Greg, who sits in a windowless office with fluorescent lights in a polo shirt all day. God, what a terrible choice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Giselle's like, he needs to respect your hustle. Who do you think she's going to choose, you or a TV show? Yeah, she's going to choose the TV show, dummy. Okay. Like, she's already been on here in your stupid polo that you wear as your uniform at your job. I mean, that's basically for someone like K. Like a really fashionable person. That's the most selfless thing a person could do for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. Exactly. When she was in that polo shirt, I was like, oh, she just made a sacrifice. She appeared on TV wearing a polo shirt. And she looked great, by the way, because she's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn't she also wearing a hat? Or is that just in my head that she was wearing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think maybe she had hat energy that day. I don't think she had a hat.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I mean, with logos on them, because I feel like she was.

[Ben Mandelker]

She dressed like a hand and walking down the street like the hamburger Helper person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did she have a big magnetic logo on her car of his company?

[Ben Mandelker]

Was she wearing a sandwich board thing that said, get your social work two for one today?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So they're like, yeah, it's not gonna work out. And they're correct. So then they start talking about their masculine sides, because they're supposed to be tapping into their masculine sides, and I don't really think they did. I think maybe Giselle wore, like, a hat, a cowboy hat or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

There may have been some cowboy hats, but they basically were like, no, we're not gonna do this. And then Ashley shows up, and she starts talking to some other queens that are there. And there's a drag queen there named Drew Sedora, which I like. I just died. I was like, I love. I love that someone said, let me go for the lowest hanging fruit off of Atlanta.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it doesn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

The biggest scammer.

[Ronnie Karam]

It doesn't even make sense as a drag name. They just spelled through D, R, E, U, X, sudora.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look, I know it does make sense, but it's. I think there's no pun. I think it's just. Just a funny reference. Like, who would ever make tribute to Drew Sedora? Like, someone really enjoyed watching the pass, but I just thought it was hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Super basic person who doesn't understand how cameras in your house work. That's her whole shtick. Where is the ring cam? Where is the ring?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley is like, I can't forget my lyrics. And they're like, you won't. In fact, if you want, you don't have to sing at all. In fact, maybe don't sing or lip sync or actually don't take the stage. You just stay back here, we'll let you, Sedora, do this instead.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous because I screamed like five times. I mean, I've had bubble guts all day. And the drag queen Crystal Edge is like, I pray you don't shit yourself on stage, girl. It'll be good. It'll be good. You're not a drag queen unless you take a shot. So they do. And then Ashley goes, well, no one's shit themselves before, right? Like, you'd be surprised a lot of in here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I really think of myself as, like, a Casanova. And, like, my utmost goal for this performance here is to knock everybody's panties off in the audience. Sorry, Mom. I don't understand what that has to do with being a cast. Oh, I guess the Casanova takes off women's panties. Maybe. I don't. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Casanova. Sexy. It's very sexy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Casanova.

[Ronnie Karam]

She goes to get test, and Karen is telling us, well, Ashley's family is not surprised. Surprised by her exploring her sexuality. I mean, as a top, it's a. Or something like that. What did she say?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, ass. A. As she's like. She's like, here's an ass. Here's a ass penis. Here I'm an assh Is doing her art, and a mother is here, and her mother rocks. And she's probably also saying, ashley, get yourself together.

[Ronnie Karam]

So let's see. So now some more small talk. And Giselle is saying, like, listen, you know, Karen's not eating, guys. She's not speaking. She's not doing anything. What is wrong with Karen? And so they talk to her, and Wendy's like, yeah, we're all concerned about you. And she's like, well, well, with what I'm going through, it makes total sense, don't you think? I mean, that deer almost murdered me on the road that night. And the way that they constructed A fence just to impede my driving. Extremely offensive. I'm having a talk with the city about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shell's like, well, K. K tells me you're on oic. She goes, well, you know, everyone in my family is diabetic, so I am pre diabetic. So I. Yes. I am on a semiglutide. And Giselle's like, so that's a form of oic. She. It is not a form of oic. It's just something that's mostly what OIC is. So. So that should clear that up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you call toothpaste toothpaste just because it's made out of toothpaste? Yes, Karen. Well, you got me there. Fine. I'm kind of on Oz epic because I'm 1.1.3% Apache diabetic there. It's in my family. Look it up. 23 me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, am I taking. Taking on Ozempic? Yes. So what, Is it suddenly wrong to be a patriot? Is it suddenly wrong not to support our swimmers in track and field? People? No, Karen, not the Olympics. We're not asking if you've taken on the Olympics. Asking if you're taking on the Olympics.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it's been very difficult for me. You don't understand how much money I've lost betting against ticks. It's embarrassing at this point.

[Ben Mandelker]

She says, well, I don't want diabetes. And people lose their limbs. People lose everything. So Stacy is like, it's preventative care, everyone. So Wendy's like, oh, I'm not a medical doctor, but aren't there other ways to prevent diabetes? So Giselle's like, it's fine. It's fine. But don't have me thinking you're not eating and that you're stressed out.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Karen's like, no, I'm 142 pounds. And when he's like, chicken wings. Let's get some chicken wings over here. So now Jacqueline and Mia come. So they start gossiping. Karen pulls Giselle aside, and she's like, listen here now. Thank you for being transparent and honest and trying to call me an anorexic on national television. And that was fun. Now, on a serious note, Ray had lunch with G. First of all, they were both given many, many cloth napkins. One of them was so tied so tightly around Ray's neck, he couldn't breathe for a while. He almost choked on a chicken. Why are shrimp covered in clothes? Can you tell? Ray couldn't explain what he was talking about. Get to the point, Karen. Me is a slut and a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

The point is this. A man, a plan. Panama, like, what? Karen, what are you doing? It's called a palindrome. I just learned about it. It was very, very important pertaining to our vacation. And when we were having that man with a plan in Panama, G, he got the babies, and Mia implied that he had gone off the deep end and that there was something manic happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

But he did not.

[Ben Mandelker]

That ain't all. The custody thing doesn't exist. He took his son to get a paternity test, and guess what? We called security on it. And the baby is. Jeez.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. And Karen's like, yes. And so she's like, but Ray asked if they're still doing divorce, and she said no. That's on pause. She's been lying this whole time, Karen. And so Giselle's pissed. You know, she's like, that girl goes too far. And she's like, we're gonna tell them right now. We're telling everybod about Mia's lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. So Karen's like, I am blown away. So now in my throat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Eat it. Shut up, Wendy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy is like, oh, my goodness me. I have never seen so many ones. So we're just gonna go up and tip her. I've never. Wow. Is this, like, what they do at a strip club? I am scandalized right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mia, Karen just informed me about a whole lot of things as it relates to the conversation that she and Ray had. And it's very clear that you've been lying to this whole group. And I got a fluted wooden box for $5 under retail value. Thank you very much.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're like, wow, what are you talking about? And Giselle's like, everything. So Karen's like, the divorce is on pause. Nobody. Nobody's divorcing anybody, according to G. And.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know that they're telling the truth. This is where. This is where I was like, oh, so G was telling the truth? Because you just see Jacqueline's face. Look at me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, oh, what am I supposed to say? Just tell me. Just say. Say the word. I'll say something. Number one friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mia goes, well, when is Gordon's word more important than mine? I'm your friend. He's a literal maniac.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because, Mia, you're a known liar. She's like, no, I'm not. Giselle's like, yes, you are. When he's like, wait, guys, hold on. It's too loud. If we're gonna fight and do something that could be in the season trailer, we should do it outside with the audio is better for Bravo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, if we were in a. If we were in a drag queen night, they would love that in here. But this is drag kings. They're just gonna dance. Are off. Off rhythm a lot. They don't like this kind of fighting. We have to take this outside. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Samia's like, gordon didn't download me on the conversation with Ray, because that's his conversation with Ray. So I'm, like, not going to run back like I'm 12 years old and say, hey, guess what Ry said about you, Karen? But, you know, there's different standards of etiquette and Potomac.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you know the standards of etiquette and Potomac.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be quiet, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love when they. When they go out to fight, the drag kings are like, oh, my God. Yes. They're going out to fight with each other. Icon. Father. Father.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mia's like, please explain yourself. She's like, no, I don't have to explain myself. This is your life. And she's like, well, hold on. Tell me what you know about my life, because we haven't talked about your life. You're drunk driving. We haven't talked about your DUI eyes and talked about every. And you. Every man that decides to open his dick up to you. Yes, I did say open his dick up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And just I was like, oh, God. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, we get it. She ran into a tree. She's waiting for a trial. We get it, Karen. We all know Karen's doing her thing on the side. It's not even a jab. Like, we've been on her for five months. You don't get to slut shame, Ma'am, we've already covered that ground.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Karen's like, last month alone, Mia watched her kids for five days, and he watched them the rest of the month. Is that that true, Mia?

[Ronnie Karam]

Lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lies.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, G told Ray that he had his son paternity tested and that you've known for quite some time that this is G's baby. I should have known when I met that child. And he did this to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jacqueline's like, excuse me, representative for Mia Thornton here. Okay. She wasn't ready to discuss the paternity test with the group yet. And if she was going to, she was going to discuss it with me first because I'm the number one person in her life. Get in line. Every one.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Giselle's like, excuse me. This has been her plot the entire season. What do you mean she's not ready to discuss it? She literally made everything about this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, you know what? Gordon did a home test, okay? It's not even a real paternity test. So we know this. I I call for a mistrial. Jacqueline Esquire says mistrial guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, Gordon found that that baby had no DNA in common with Ink, but they did both recently eat a hot dog and had some leftover on their shirt. It is crazy what these things can find on you. Mia, shut up. Shut Jacqueline up, please. So Mia's like, I'm not gonna have this conversation. And so everybody's, like, trying to go at her, but Mia's just, like, walking away. She's like, going back into the drag show show. And Kieran is like, this is too much. What will Greg say? And that's the end of that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yep, that was the end. Thank you everyone for being here. What a. What a fun time. Talking about Potomac.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Good times. All right, everybody, thanks for being here. We will be moving on to southern hospitality and then crappy hour later on tonight. And we'll be back all week with lots of fun stuff. Go get your tickets for for the San Francisco, San Diego, Salt Lake City and Denver live shows coming up in the next two weeks as well as our Broadway show over at Town hall in New York City on February 1st. Okay, go to watch whatcrappens.com that's it. If you want our traders recaps, those will be up every week over on Patreon as well. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you later.

[Ben Mandelker]

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