Ben Mandelker (2:47)

That's R a K u T E.

Ronnie Karam (2:48)

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Ben Mandelker (3:12)

Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today for this Rony season finale recap, it's Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going?

Ronnie Karam (3:28)

Hi. Just can't wait to talk about this hilarious season finale.

Ben Mandelker (3:32)

I know. It's so nice to have something uplifting and refreshing. Before we get into that, we are excited because in just like two days we are going up to San Francisco. This Friday night we have our first show on the Mounting Hysteria tour. So come join us in San Francisco. The very next day we go to San Diego for our second show and we're doing something really fun, which is we are going to do the Salt Lake City reunion. We're recapping that across both shows. The first half will be in San Francisco, NorCal, then SoCal. So we always we know that re reunion's gonna have enough content to cover two shows. So buckle up everyone. Next week it's the Golden Crappies. It's the moment we've all been waiting for. There's only like 70 tickets left in the theater. So if you're in New York, you want to go see it, get your tickets. If you are not in New York or you're just anywhere in the world, you can stream it with Kiswee. So the streaming tickets you can get everything. Everything we're talking about go to watch crappens.com it's going to be a really wonderful show. Really excited for it. We're working on some fun stuff. I'm nervous as fuck but it's going to time and then after that the tour just continues. Plus we're on Patreon. We're doing our Traders recaps on patreon patreon.com watch crappens. We also do video there. You can watch us not just listen bonus episodes which is Traders. All the good stuff. And that's basically what's going on here in the world of Watch what Crap ends. It's a very hectic crazy next week and a half and there will be some surprises next week look out for us. Maybe on tv, who knows? But it'll be fun. Good week coming up next week.

Ronnie Karam (5:11)

When are we allowed to say that?

Ben Mandelker (5:13)

I'm just saying we're on tv. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying anything else.

Ronnie Karam (5:16)

I think we had to say it at some point. I don't know when. Okay, everybody, thank you. Yes. It's 2020. Yes, you guessed it. I heard you in your car.

Ben Mandelker (5:25)

Guess we're going up.

Ronnie Karam (5:26)

Correct.

Ben Mandelker (5:27)

I'm Barbara Walters, and that's you. Downs. We are resurrecting the ghosts. Oh, thank you.

Ronnie Karam (5:31)

Bringing them back, guys. We told you there was going to be some surprises. Okay, so Real Housewives of New York City. Wow. Definitely the most compelling episode they've ever put forth. Holy God. I was texting Ben during this, saying, redemption only because last week we got, you know, we got a little heat. I mean, I'm not gonna say listen, everybody has a right to their opinion, obviously, but we got a little heat for standing up for UBA so much. And this week I was like, redemption. Like, thank God, because, wow, what an episode. What a fucking psych. This was amazing to me. Not uba, Brynn. This was amazing to me because a couple things. One, it was like a mystery show where you watch a mystery. You know how those mysteries work now, where you watch 10 episodes and they dilly dally around until the 10th episode and then they reveal them. Everybody figures out the mystery, and it's amazing. And that's what makes those shows amazing. And this gave us that. I was really impressed that New York gave me anything, but I was like, whoa, they all solved a mystery. I mean, I love that. I loved it. There, I said it. I loved it. I mean, it was dark as hell and depressing and wrong. The whole episode was wrong. But I was like, wow, that's the most compelling thing they've ever done.

Ben Mandelker (6:48)

I mean, yeah, for this cast, for sure. I mean, this, I felt like, was probably one of the darkest episodes that's aired in any Real Housewives. I was like, I cannot believe this. This is wild. And there was, like, a lot of things going on in this episode. A lot of layers to it that. Layers that I'm, like, not even sure how to navigate through as a recapper. But, you know, we'll.

Ronnie Karam (7:12)

We'll jump at the gas. Maybe. You hit the guy.

Ben Mandelker (7:15)

Yeah, hit the guy.

Ronnie Karam (7:16)

Edit later.

Ben Mandelker (7:17)

Very, very meta like. And by the way, the show finally gave me what I've wanted from this cast for two years ago, which is at Last, a high camp moment, which is at the very end of the show when they're all doing their main credits and they're like standing and posing for the cameras and they use as their, like season wrap ups. And the way they would like freeze the screen, it was like a profile and stylized and the music was so intense. I was like, finally, camp. Why did it take them so long to add some camp to this gosh darn cast?

Ronnie Karam (7:54)

Yeah, that was pretty amazing. That whole sequence was really good. And you know, also the parallels to old Roni, you know, and most of the time I try not to say, oh, my God, old Roni. I don't compare them. They're not even the same. I mean, they're in the same city, whatever. So I try not to compare them. But, you know, old Roni was basically canceled because of problematic race issues and people just being so fucking problematic. And granted that was Ramona and to a lesser degree, Sonia, but still pretty problematic. And then this one, I don't think it'll be canceled, but it's interesting that they ran into the same wall in a way. I mean, it's not the exact same wall, obviously, but there are definitely parallels that I was like, wow, what the. And the characters are totally different, but for it to come to a head like that in both of the versions of the show, I thought was pretty cray cray.

Ben Mandelker (8:49)

Yeah, this one. This was. This, was this, was this what I. All season long that he's like, nothing will ever be the same. Oh, this big fight that happened in Puerto Rico, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, whatever. I was like, I expected the whole thing was gonna be about, you know, someone hid someone's purse or something. And then I was like, oh, no, they were right. Nothing will be the same. And this is up. And I don't even know how this cast goes forward with Brin. I. I just don't know. I don't know how Bravo goes forward with Bryn. I think that's like, it's pretty much like bottom of the. I don't want to say. It's just. It's. I'm not gonna say bottom of the barrel. I'm just gonna say it was really, really, really troubling, I thought. And I think that, like, Brynn is a. Is someone who has, like, she carries a lot of baggage. And I think we really saw that. We've always seen it, but we really saw it this, this. On this episode. It's. It was a lot.

Ronnie Karam (9:51)

Yeah, it was a lot. So where we ended up last time was, you know, Uba's having a fit basically, and oh, she's having a fit because these two keep poking, poking, poking, poking, poking, poking, poking, poking. And she's breaking down over the place. And so now Aaron and Bryn are in a bedroom and Aaron's saying, never again. She screamed in my face. Like I said, don't ever call her a whore and don't ever fucking talk to her like that again. And then she slammed the door in my face. You walked into a room while she was fucking naked, Aaron. You know, fucking Aaron. I can't. And out of all the people who pissed me off, Aaron probably pissed me off the most because Aaron keeps getting away with it. Like, why are we going to call out Bren when Aaron literally. Bren went too far? I'm not saying we shouldn't call off Brand, but why, why is it that Aaron can get right up to that point and nobody says anything? How's Aaron still getting out of here scot free? Makes me crazy.

Ben Mandelker (10:48)

She is slippery. And so Bryn's like, that was fucked up. And Aaron is like, and this is like a whole new fucked up thing we have to deal with. So Psy comes walking down the hallway and she's like, jessel, come on through. So Jessel and Sai sit down and. Because they're going to confront Aaron about the fact that Aaron, God, sometimes it's so hard to. To speak the plots. The plots in this show. So Aaron told Jessel that Aaron, Sai and Bryn were sitting together and Sai and Bryn were talking shit about Jessel but Aaron wasn't talking shit about Jessel. That's what Aaron told Jessel. So then Jessel told Psy, oh, Aaron said that you two were talking shit, but she wasn't talking shit. And Psy said no, she was talking shit. So now as I and Aaron and Jessel are going to talk, are going to sit down and talk about whether or not Aaron was talking shit when she was talking with Sai and Brien. And course we know she was talking shit. Like how are we even supposed to follow this thread? And this is what the whole season's been like.

Ronnie Karam (11:45)

Yeah, it really is. And you know, just to boil it down for you, Aaron started some shit to make some drama and now she's gonna fucking cry like she's a victim of said shit that she started and she started the shit and then ran and tattletaled on the other people that she started shit with because they weren't starting shit fast enough for her. And she's still gonna get away with it. So she goes in and, you know, s kind of onto it. She's like, well, Erin likes to leave out a piece of the puzzle that she' because if she puts that piece of the puzzle into the story, then she's guilty. That's how stories work. It's not an elephant till that last little piece makes the end of the trunk. And, you know, she's right. But they're still so easily swayed. So s just like, what did you say? So Aaron's like, well, she's saying that Psy told her that I was talking all this shit about her. And Jess is like, no, I said. She was like, who told you? And I said, sigh. And Aaron's like, shut up, Jessal. Also, Aaron's so mean to Jessel. Like, what's wrong with you?

Ben Mandelker (12:42)

So mean.

Ronnie Karam (12:42)

You're mean to the most liked person on this cast. Like, you're not only lame at this, you're stupid. You're stupid.

Ben Mandelker (12:49)

And by the way, Jessa winds up being kind of the hero of the episode. So. Yes. It just goes to show so for.

Ronnie Karam (12:56)

Her, too, you know, because it wasn't just three weeks ago that I was like, no, no, not main character energy. I'm sorry. Like, I. Ben was saying she should be. Be the main character. They should just build around her. And I was like, nope, she doesn't have. She. She doesn't got it. But she does that.

Ben Mandelker (13:11)

Like, she's been crowded out by Eren and Bryn. I mean, I. I really started to. You know, we've been like, bryn was very annoying last season in my book, with some. A few moments of being compelling and then sort of the same story this season. But really, over the past few weeks, I've started to really home in on the idea that I think that Brynn is kind of responsible for why so much of the season doesn't work. I think she is the. I think she the rotten. The rotten. The bad apple ruining the bunch here. And, you know, you can make an argument for Eren, too, but I think it really is Brandon. I actually think that this episode kind of. Kind of bears that out, to be honest. So why am I going on a monologue?

Ronnie Karam (13:55)

Well, they both do the same thing. They take one little thing and then they twist it and basically lie and tell everybody something else that has, like, a kernel of truth. So if they're ever called, they can be like, but I did tell the truth. They both do the exact same thing. Bryn just went a step further today in what she was saying, and she got caught to the point where Aaron was like, I'm not going to be on her team anymore. Like, there's no coming back for this. But Aaron still does it too. All the time. The exact same thing.

Ben Mandelker (14:21)

Yeah. So Jenna, Rebecca, and Raquel are in the hallway, and Jenna's like, wait. Sigh. J and Aaron are. And they're all. They're like a little twister. And Rebecca's like, based on something that happened yesterday. Like, literally, if there's more drama, I am going to have diarrhea all over this floor.

Ronnie Karam (14:38)

Jenna's like, what? Rebecca, are you having trouble with that doorknob? I'm just squinting so hard right now that I can't see the door. Can someone help me through?

Ben Mandelker (14:47)

I'm trying to use my squint sp to move the door.

Ronnie Karam (14:53)

So then we go back to the bedroom with the other conversation, and Aaron's like, whoa, Jessel so why are you trying to go to Signow like a little creep and be like, oh, Aaron's saying, blah, blah, blah. I said, maybe your husband should apologize for calling her a fucking bitch and calling her bipolar. That's what I said. No, that's not all you said, you fucking liar. And second of all, no man should be calling a woman a bitch. So, yes, profit should apologize for calling her a bitch now. Calling her bipolar and everything else. I know it's not nice to, like, use people's mental stuff against them. He doesn't know if you're bipolar or not. He was just saying some random thing because you were acting crazy and you were calling him a sex tourist for how long and insinuate, trying to break up their marriage and everything else. And I know you've had a great year. Sigh. But please give me a fucking break with the victim act. That shit's not gonna work here. You started it, ma' Yeah, I do.

Ben Mandelker (15:43)

Think that Pavitt owes an apology for saying bitch and bipolar. But, like, we have totally forgotten this. And from. I had totally forgotten until really Jessa brought it up. And because Jess is like, hello. I mean, you said that my husband is a sex trafficker. And, like, that's not nothing. Also, you're going on TV and implying he's going to Vietnam to, like, fuck.

Ronnie Karam (16:03)

Underage people or whatever.

Ben Mandelker (16:05)

Yeah, it's like, that's very career damaging as well. So you guys both need to sit down and say, it was the heat of the mom. We got carried away. And I actually really do. Like, you blah, blah, blah, do the whole thing and go to Susan's bun afterwards and like, enjoyable noodles.

Ronnie Karam (16:21)

Yeah. So Aaron's telling us, yeah, that was a low blow. And if Pit wanted to insult sigh, he should have gone with something like, she acts like a baby when she's hungry or she dresses like a small boy. Well, he's not as bad at his confessionals as you are.

Ben Mandelker (16:37)

Like, Like, I mean, this is. This. Please tell me this is not how you got cast on the show, because this does not really.

Ronnie Karam (16:49)

See that audition tape. Like, what was she doing sorting the glass out of the recycling bin? Like, give me a fucking break. Who cast this person?

Ben Mandelker (16:57)

Yeah, everyone knows if you're gonna shade someone, you say she dresses like a small boy.

Ronnie Karam (17:05)

So now Sai, who has been so pissed at Pitt that we've had full clip packages of her ignoring Pave, it's like, well, he see me at your party. He stood right next to me. He didn't even say hello. So now you want him to say hello. Make up your mind.

Ben Mandelker (17:20)

And so we see that and jostle's like, well, I have told him a thousand times, please say hi to Psy. And then I also say, please, let's do therapy. And also, let's send our kids to the school that Tom Cruise's kids are in. And also, can we have more kids? Basically, he doesn't listen to me when I ask him questions. It's just the way it is with Pavit. You have to dress up, literally, like a piece of fried chicken and dance around until he wants to take a photo of you and put you on his Instagram. That's the only way to get through to him.

Ronnie Karam (17:52)

If you want him to say hi, you have to dress like a Banh Mi. So Bryn's like, it's not about saying, hi, honey. It's about saying sorry. Okay, try it.

Ben Mandelker (18:05)

It.

Ronnie Karam (18:05)

Try it once. You try it. Not you.

Ben Mandelker (18:08)

This is what. This is where Jessel says. And by the way, Jessel saying this while she's dressed with her, like, little hat and her collar and her, like, mesh top, she looks like, you know, a cute little kind of like, modern clueless, you know, to call back to her party. And I've noticed he's a little. Or Kitty Maloney. This. This. That shirt has been making its rounds on Bravo. But she has a little hat, though. That's what differentiates it. Yeah, so she has her little hat. Like, she's like, XOXO Gossip Girl. And she's like, may I just say, Psy was implying that Pavitt is a sex tourist. Shouldn't that cancel out? And I'm like, yeah, exactly.

Ronnie Karam (18:47)

Yeah, it's not a bad point. So then we see a clip of Psy, you know, being like, he's going to Vietnam for 24 hours. That's enough time to get into trouble. Yeah, but you can get like, illicit sex right in New York City. It's not like you guys live out in the boondocks. A man wouldn't have to jump on a plane to get into trouble.

Ben Mandelker (19:04)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (19:04)

So Psy's like, well, I just know it was very offensive and I'm over and I just wanted to keep my distance and that's it. And so Jessel's like, well, I didn't realize you were offended. Honestly, who am I supposed to know? I was like, it was so rough for someone to call me bipolar because she's dealt with bipolar people her whole life. And yes, the thing like, you can't. You just need to. What? You can't tiptoe around everybody's issues every time you want to insult somebody. That's what makes this show so difficult is you say one thing and they all put on a victim cloak of why you can' say that to them. And now you're a horrible person. And that's another thing that was good about this episode is UBA punched right through that fucking victim cloak. And she was like, no, ma'am. With what she found out. She was like, oh, hell no. Take that cloak off.

Ben Mandelker (19:53)

Bryn put on the biggest and thickest one and Uber was like, nope. And it feels weird. It feels weird to even say it based on what Bryn was saying. It feels weird to even almost be callous to be like, she put on a victim cloak. But, like, I think that's why everyone's actually so upset in this. In this.

Ronnie Karam (20:09)

Yes, it is. I don't mean any less smart ass way of like.

Ben Mandelker (20:12)

No, I know, like she really thing.

Ronnie Karam (20:15)

But she used it, she willed it as a weapon, you know?

Ben Mandelker (20:18)

Yeah, it was really bad. So then Sai is like, this is a really hard moment for me. And you know, I'm just in therapy right now and I've gone to a place with Jessel that I'm like, really happy with. And I just, I don't feel the same. Battle husband. That's it. So Bryn is like, sa is like so tough and like such a. But like, dude, she has feelings too.

Ronnie Karam (20:42)

And Jess was like, your feelings are completely valid. Completely valid. And she's like, all good. So they hug and they make up and then Bryn's like, oh my God, can we do one together? I need a group hug. Like fuck husbands. They suck so bad. They're so stupid. You guys. My whole brand is men suck. Since when is that your whole brand? You're basically a parking ticket only for men waiting for validation, like just waiting for that snap. Since when is your men suck your motto?

Ben Mandelker (21:15)

So Aaron's like, well, I just want this night to get better. Lol. Spoiler alert. It's not. Now that things have kind of calmed, maybe there's a chance. I'm like, I'm just glad on this episode they didn't try to do two truths in a lie or never have I ever. Because that's like. That just would have made this even worse.

Ronnie Karam (21:35)

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Ben Mandelker (23:47)

So they're gonna have a drink and everything, and Jenna and Rebecca and Raquel go into Jenna's room. And Jenna's like, yeah, we can go into, like, our room. It's like, not a party until everyone's involved. Let's hang out in my room. It'll be like a slumber party. It'll be so fun. Like, nothing could possibly go wrong this night. I think we kind of peaked with our drama, so it's gonna be all great.

Ronnie Karam (24:02)

Yeah, surely everything's going to be great now. So they gather in there and Jenna's like, aaron, what the fuck is happening? Because I was going to check on Brynn and then I get up and then you guys are talking and, I mean, I just don't know. Have I mentioned that I was entered into synchronized swimming in the sixth grade?

Ben Mandelker (24:20)

I can't believe I just did. I just admit that I think we had a breakthrough in that. I'm declaring it. Even though there's no tangible evidence that there was anything even approaching a breakthrough or an epiphany or sort of understanding about anything. I just made a gag face when J accused me of talking about her. And then we're done. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (24:42)

And Raquel's like, and everything with respect to Bren. And Uba's good. And she's like, listen, I love uba, but we cannot keep calling Bryn A. Nobody called Bren A. Just a reminder to the audience out there, literally nobody called Bren A. And Raquel's like, yeah, or say that she's giving blowjobs for work. Which also wasn't said. And Aaron's like, well, that's a soft subject for her, you guys. No pun intended.

Ben Mandelker (25:06)

No. I'm like, can we use our word? If you're a good defender on this point, can we use better words? She's like, I would like to erect an objection about this.

Ronnie Karam (25:16)

You guys seem to have a hard on For Bryn. So Jenna's like. And Jenna's like, if the. You know, the problem is if you try to jump in, then Uba's mad and she's like, it's none of your business. Has nothing to do with you. And literally, when we were all at your house, she had it out with Brynn, and then she wouldn't let any of us speak. And then we get a clip of that of people going, can I speak? And her going, no, don't speak. But you guys keep trying to jump in to defend Brynn, who's a fucking monster and who is coming for her constantly.

Ben Mandelker (25:48)

I loved this montage of UBA being like, be quiet. Can I say something? No. Be quiet. I need you. No, no, I need you to understand. But can I just say something? No, you say nothing. I'm like, yes, thank you. Thank you, uba, not only is it well deserved, it's also really funny. And, Rebecca, may I make just a suggestion?

Ronnie Karam (26:07)

No, no, Rebecca Minkoff, don't say anything. So Jenna's like, but actually, you know, like, I'm like a grown woman, and I'm not gonna get, like, a slap if I'm trying to talk. And then Jessel laughs. Oh, you are a grown woman. And so they joke about her baby.

Ben Mandelker (26:22)

Voice and stuff, which I didn't know was a thing. I didn't notice that Jenna had a baby voice. So Jessal is basically like, well, I think we should wait until UBA is in the room before we talk about her. So then UBA comes in and she's like, hello, darling.

Ronnie Karam (26:36)

Yeah, UBA just comes in, trying to reset again, which never works, but she's like, maybe if I just come in happy in the scene, it'll all work out, you know? So she's like, hello, darling. What are you doing? Is everything okay? What's happening? Why is everybody here? And Jenna's like, oh, you know, just hanging out. And so Raquel says they need to discuss things. And UBA's like, why are you combing the couch? I thought it was the dog. I'm sorry. I'm very stressed out. My squint just won't open. And.

Ben Mandelker (27:05)

Her squint. Her squint latched clothes Too stressful. It's like when your garage door breaks. She's like, it's like, I need to call a professional right now. Can't. Can't get it open. So Sa is Uber's like, what did I do? And Sa's like, well, you can't keep calling her a whore baby. And she's like, I did not call her A. And sai's like, well, you said that she sucked dick. I. Yes, I swear to Allah I did not. Just. No, you said, yeah, she needs a dick in her mouth. She's like, no, she said that. And do you want me to have a dick in my mouth? Rewind the tape. Just listen. And so now we see the clip where UBA says, go take a nap. And Brynn's like, oh, should I suck a dick while I take a nap?

Ronnie Karam (27:47)

Which says, that might help you shut up. So UBA did not tell her to suck a dick. Okay, yes.

Ben Mandelker (27:52)

And she had a funny. And she had a funny retort. I would even add. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (27:56)

And she's like, please can we remember things? Because this cast will not. Like, this cast is. Will literally believe the last thing that was told to them, you know, 100%. So now Bryn comes in and Uber's. UBA's telling us, I don't have to hurt people for me to feel better, because I'm better already. I wake up in the morning as Uber, Hassan, darling, look at me.

Ben Mandelker (28:18)

And. Which I love. Like, Ubers. Uber's gotten the memo about being a real housewife. So Uba's like, I didn't tell you to have you. I didn't tell you you have a dick in your mouth. You said, do you want me to put a dick in my mouth? Brink goes, it was sarcasm. Because I was, like, repeating the horrible thing you said to me yesterday.

Ronnie Karam (28:37)

Right, but she didn't say that to you yesterday. So Uba's like, I didn't. It's horrible. It's. It's horrible. I said maybe. And Bryn's like, and you don't think it's horrible to say to me, maybe you put a dick in your mouth to get a job? Well, she didn't say. And she's like, no, I said, maybe you slept with someone to get a job. I did not say a dick. And she's like, oh, maybe then. Maybe then right home. Much different.

Ben Mandelker (29:01)

Yeah. Ubu is like, you know, we see a flashback again of what UBA said, which is, so unless maybe she slept with someone to get this job. That's a different story. So, I mean, yeah, technically she didn't, like, slut shit. Like, technically she didn't say you slept with someone. But, like, obviously she's implying it.

Ronnie Karam (29:15)

Obviously.

Ben Mandelker (29:16)

It's also Shade in the middle of an argument. And Bryn has definitely latched on to this, maybe for good reason, because she does have trauma in her past. But I Don't know. This is definitely a case in my mind where Brynn has no problem casting st. But then when one comes back to bounce her in the head, as inappropriate as it is, she is acting like she has never been one to say such a shady comment or a shady implication. I mean, she makes implications all the time about people. You know, like, about people and the way they live their lives. And when it comes around to her, even if it is disrespectful, she's. I don't know.

Ronnie Karam (29:52)

I just feel like she also spent the first part of the season or the middle part of the season, whatever it was. It's all blurry to me now. But she also spent a good part of the season trying to convince everybody that Rebecca was fucking other men and got pregnant by some other random dude, which she later lied about and claimed that she was part of this inside joke, but she wasn't. So don't come at me with your slut shaming crying, because you've been doing it to other people nonstop, so shut up. So Jenna Aaron's like, same connotation. It's not okay. And it's uncalled for, okay, lady who is accusing some guy of sex tourism and then trying to break up a marriage and then everything else that you've done this year. Be quiet. You too. So then Jenna's like, you know, I mean, they both said shit to each other, but it's just become. It's just semantics now, and it's just. It's not really about the issue at hand, which I don't really. What is the issue?

Ben Mandelker (30:43)

The issue is that I cannot unsquit myself, and I really need some medical attention. Quiet, Rebecca.

Ronnie Karam (30:51)

So I slept with somebody to get a job. And uba's like, I didn't say it. And Aaron's trying to smooth it over going, uba, just say you love her. And Bryn's like, no, this is not your fight. Erin, who she just yelled at for not standing up for her enough, but.

Ben Mandelker (31:05)

Okay, that's so funny. Yes, you're right.

Ronnie Karam (31:10)

Bryn's just like chaos. She's like a chaos. She's a chaotic hypocrisy tornado. Like, she's just, like, keeping up with her is crazy. So she's like, when in my life. Tell me. Tell me. Does my LinkedIn say it? No, I want to hear it. Tell me Uber. Tell me this. I fucking love it. And she's like, of course you do, you narcissistic bitch. And Brin's like, when did I do Anything aside from work my ass off. I'm a marketer. Pr and she's like, marketing my ass. Oh, really? You're not. Naomi, you met. You model for Dress Barn.

Ben Mandelker (31:44)

And everyone's like, that's not nice, Brynn. By the way, if you could model for Dress Barn, if you get. If you can model for the Penny Saver, for crying out loud, that's like a paying gig as a model. Well, that's. You're fortunate. So I don't think there's any shade in modeling for Dress Barn whatsoever.

Ronnie Karam (32:02)

But, yeah, I mean, she didn't. I don't think she did. I think she was like a really. She was like a really successful model. Yeah, she was actually a really successful model. So Raquel's like, well, there's nothing nice about someone's saying that someone slept with someone to get a job. And size, like, it's both not nice. Both not nice. I like that size. Having a snack on the couch. She's just like, both not nice.

Ben Mandelker (32:25)

Of course. Raquel's like, there's nothing nice about someone saying that someone slept with someone to get a job. Not nice.

Ronnie Karam (32:32)

Not nice.

Ben Mandelker (32:33)

Bryn's like, it's delusion. It's delusion to think that I have slept with men to get a job. It's delusion to think that you're Naomi Campbell. You're delusional. And I'm like, please, please, producers, you don't have much time left in the season. Please, if you're given the chance, please roll the clip. Naomi.

Ronnie Karam (32:50)

Wish.

Ben Mandelker (32:51)

Giselle, Wish. Because that's like my favorite line of the season.

Ronnie Karam (32:53)

That's the best clip of the entire season. Naomi.

Ben Mandelker (32:58)

It would have. That would have been a quote of the year nominee if it had come out a little bit sooner. Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (33:05)

PR Piece of. Because she's not buying this horseshit just like the rest of us. So Aaron's like, don't go there, guys. And Bryn's like, we're dealing with the patch on the toddler. She says, six foot toddler.

Ben Mandelker (33:19)

Well, isn't that what you want? So Bryn is like, yeah. She's like, they see you all think I like dudes for money. And I was like, no one thinks that. We just think you're annoying, but no one thinks you dudes for money. And she's like, you want to show. You want to sell my network?

Ronnie Karam (33:35)

You want me to show your network?

Ben Mandelker (33:36)

They're like, no, no, it's fine. She's like, you don't want to go there with me? And they're like, what are you talking about? And she's like, I have net worth. I have pace naps. I barfolios. I get proof for years. I didn't suck up anybody.

Ronnie Karam (33:49)

And Aaron's like, you're making yourself sound crazy. Just stop. And Ruth's like, yeah, you're both making yourself sound crazy. And she's oh, now, because he's talking about my fucking character. And Aaron's like, bryn, we're defending you because Bren is really spinning out at this point. She's standing up, she's drunk off her ass, and she's just freaking out, you know. And so Raquel finally just grabs her and does a hug. Like the Tamara and the Shannon and Tamara hug in the van, where it's just like a real tight hug. And she's like, you know, Bryn is talking about how hard it is for a woman of color, an attractive woman, to be taken seriously and not be thought of as a whore. Yeah, but what did she just do to UBA literally two seconds ago? And that's kind of my problem with Brandon and why I can never feel anything for her because she's just such a hypocrite. Why is it okay for you to go on about how hard you've worked while you're totally discredit editing a black woman who has worked her ass off and an immigrant to boot and an, you know, a non white passing black woman, you know. Yeah, there's another whole layer of problematic that's, that's here is Brand is a white passing black woman and she's coming for this like, black immigrant woman and disparaging her career and coming after how she talks, mocking how she talks, calling her an angry black woman. It's up.

Ben Mandelker (35:04)

A lot of people on social media are talking about like, the colorism at play here and how Brin. A lot of people are accusing Brin of accessing like her. Her blackness when it's convenience, etc. Obviously, I'm a white guy. I'm not part of this community. I cannot speak with authority on this. But from what I can tell on social media, people who are part of the community are really, really angry at Berry for the things that. The exact same things that you're saying. And it's just, it's really, really, really problematic that she has this stance. And, but she goes on and while actively disparaging UBA and, you know, and she's saying how it's like really hard, Raquel starts talking about how it's just hard to under, you know, someone needs to Understand she needs to understand that someone else understands what she's going through. And Aaron's like, you know, well, I just screamed in her face she's never going to speak to me again. No one thinks it. And Jenna's saying, you know, know saying it's really hard to see Bryn struggle. It feels awful. And I think it's unfortunate because she comes from a place where she's so sexually provocative in her language that I think people make assumptions and that's not fair. And she deserves to be treated with respect and love and care. Well, I mean, yes, everyone should be. Just should be treated with respect and love and care. And I don't mean to do it like, well, everyone deserves it, but, like, she does. I mean, I feel in some ways I feel very badly for Bryn. I think she's gone. I think she's had a deeply traumatic childhood and life. And as they say later in the episode, like, she, she, like, I think she's kind of lost the thread a little bit here. And like, it's. I feel bad that she, her life has led her to this point because that's like, it's, it's a shame that so anyone would have to have a life that leads them to, you know, having to have fib all the time and do the things that she does in this episode.

Ronnie Karam (37:02)

Yeah, I mean, look, your past informs your present for sure, but it doesn't excuse your present present, you know, and it's up that she's doing this constantly. Constantly. And her whole, like, now she's saying, why can't a black woman make money? Why can't a black woman be successful? I don't know. Why were you just saying it two seconds ago to uba?

Ben Mandelker (37:22)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (37:22)

So then now uba.

Ben Mandelker (37:24)

And by the way, it's the thing that she always goes to with UBA as well. Like, uba, like, UBA had made this comment about, like, like, I don't know if you slept your way to be got on here, but I got here on the show because of me. But uba's like, go to is not slut shaming Brynn, but Bryn go to is always to shame uba's work. And not only uba, like, she's actually shames other women like Rebecca Mink out.

Ronnie Karam (37:46)

Against Rebecca Minkoff who has like a humongous company. Yeah, she's ridiculous. And also she was just in the last episode going, I'm kept all night by billionaires calling me so sorry. Like, that's her other go to in fights is to be is to brag about how attractive, hot rich men think she. Well, she doesn't say hot, but rich men think she is and how she has to stay up all night waiting for their calls. So I just. I can't sometimes. So then Eren. So UBA walks in and walks up to Bryn, and UBA goes to Aaron and she's like, one second, Aaron. Okay? Because of course, Aaron's trying to get in the middle of it. And so she's like, come here. So they both UBA and Aaron walk out. So Brynn is still going on, and it was probably smart to get UBA out of there. So Bryn's like, I worked hard, you know. She's still going on about how she doesn't fuck anybody for anything. So then we go to Aaron UBA and sigh in another bedroom. And Uba's like, she's plastic. She's fake. And Aaron's like, listen, there's good people on both sides. Quote from one of my heroes.

Ben Mandelker (38:50)

Uba's like, I never said she had a dick in her mouth. She said that. And Eren's like, I know, but can you listen to me for a minute? When you start saying things like, I don't know who you fuck to get this job, that's when she goes somewhere else. Well, you want it. You want to know why? And she was like, you don't have to say those things, but you want to know why I'm worried because yesterday I said in a corner. I was there in a corner minding my business. And we see a flashback again of like, UBA was feeling unwell at. At dinner. And by the way, we've kind of lost this whole thing. But she. She was due. She talked about over the season, she was due to have fibroid surgery. And she was anxious about her surgery. I mean, it was mentioned on this. She's anxious. She doesn't feel well. She was quiet at dinner. And Bryn started, like, basically picking on. And Uba's like, I've had enough. I'm just gonna step on this gnat.

Ronnie Karam (39:37)

And so I was like, he gotta stop reacting. Hello. You're still crying over something Pavit said to you last year. Like, you're literally having a fight today about something that was said last year, so who the fuck is reacting now? And Aaron's like, yeah, you just have to walk away. And Sai's saying, yeah, you know, she makes you say those things in front of everybody. So now everybody's looking at you like you're crazy. And this is true. True. Look, all this stuff that they're telling her is technically true. UBA flies off the handle and doesn't know how to confront things without flying off the handle. And so she loses her and she looks like an idiot. You know, she looks unbalanced. Okay? I think that they're right, and that's good advice to give a friend, but at the same time, I'm so sick of people like Brynn being able to get away with everything just because she makes the other person react. It's not something. Why is it, like, react so you are lost? Well, what has she been saying? She's been doing nothing but bullying the woman for the whole year, pretty much.

Ben Mandelker (40:32)

Especially in this trip. And it's also like, okay, they tell UBA, you have to stop reacting. Why don't they tell Brynn, you have to stop speaking, right? Like, you're the one who, like, why are you talking so much all the time? You know, like, you talk so much, eventually someone's gonna, like. Someone is going to, like, snap back at you. And they may not say something nice because they've taken it and taken it and taken it it because they can't.

Ronnie Karam (40:53)

Do it, because the modern rules are the biggest victim win. So Bryn's in the other room sobbing that she's never sucked dick for money, which is not even what UBA said. And so she's victim cloaked herself. So now they're like, look, she's got you. She's on the higher ground, okay? She's been slut shamed, and that's a trauma for her. So now you can't yell at her for bullying you all day.

Ben Mandelker (41:12)

And this also speaks to the insincerity of earlier in the season where Bryn told UBA off camera express some sort of concern about UBA coming off like the angry black woman. And yet Brynn is all too happy to poke and poke and poke, knowing if she knows that her friend can fly off the handle. And she's concerned that her friend may wind up looking like the quote unquote, angry black woman. Why are you. Why are you giving her an assist? Because that's what you've been doing this whole season and especially this. This vacation.

Ronnie Karam (41:44)

Yeah. So now Rebecca comes in and she's like, everyone needs to eat. Okay? I want you to eat this pizza. And they're like, that's a record, Damn it. Just very stressed out. All right? No one's eaten. Everyone's been drinking a lot. So the food's here. So whenever you're ready, you're Eating Crosby, Stills, and Nash. Ow, my teeth.

Ben Mandelker (42:05)

If you can't eat the one you want, want the one you eat. So she's. She's.

Ronnie Karam (42:13)

So the girl starts laughing, basically, and Uba's like, get out of my room, you fucking bitch. This is dysfunctional, isn't it? I can't believe it. And so Aaron's like, just drink. Just drink this. Just drink this wine. You can diffuse it in five seconds. And she's like, I don't want to diffuse it. She goes, but you'll feel better. So she's like, okay, well, first of all, I don't care for Bryn, but I'll do it for the sake of everyone else, right?

Ben Mandelker (42:37)

So. So then Bryn is, like, being silly again. She's like, let's go tell your son, Jenna. Let's go tong send Jesse. Let's go tell them. Oh, maybe she isn't sorry. I thought she was being goofy again. No, she's like, let's tell your kids, by the way, let's tell all your kids that you guys all sucked dick for your job. And y'all. You all don't get it. My kids are gonna see this one day. So now she's worked herself up, and now she's crying because now she's talking about how someday she'll have kids, but she doesn't have the kids now. But they're gonna see this one day. And I'm like, well, they are gonna see the whole season, too, by the way. There's a lot for them to be cringing over.

Ronnie Karam (43:13)

Yeah, they'll see that nobody said anything that you're accusing them of and crying and having a histrionic fit. Anyway.

Ben Mandelker (43:21)

Here comes one right now.

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Ronnie Karam (43:36)

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Ronnie Karam (45:27)

So Raquel's just like, stop it. Just stop. And she's like, no, I'm dealing with shit. So she goes into, I'm in support groups about sexual assault, you know, and now you want to say I suck dick. I'm in support groups trying to deal with shit that happened to me. And you want to go there and ooh. And this is where she go. And by the way, and everybody in this episode says this. I'm not doubting one thing about what Bryn says about her sexual assault. Assault that would never even cross my mind that she would lie about that. But she is now using it as a weapon against somebody, which is bad enough. And then she takes it here. And UBA knows this. UBA knows. And Jenna goes. She does. And she goes, yeah, before Bravo Con, I called Uma and I was like, I. I was raped. And I'm still dealing with this. And UBA knows this. So now I, you know, now I have this six foot, petulant toddler being like, she sucks dick for work. And yeah.

Ben Mandelker (46:18)

And so when you hear this, you're like, oh, yeah. You know, because the thing is this. If she said, like, you know, I am triggered with these sort of comments when they come my way, because I have this in my past, and it's, like, really traumatic. It always digs up this thing fully. Would. Would get it. But she does. She doesn't just say that. She's basically saying, and UBA knew this, and UBA still decided to say it. And so this is why UBA is a terrible person.

Ronnie Karam (46:46)

And I'm.

Ben Mandelker (46:47)

She's basically broadcasting it to the world. And so it's horrifying. You see this. You're like, oh, my God. Because I think, if I remember correctly, she talked about her sexual assault earlier this season. And it's terrible. It's like the worst thing that someone could go through. And, you know, it also really does kind of, like, make a lot of what goes on in Bryn's life. Like, what the things that she talks about. It's like, things make sense. And you're like, oh, gosh. So when you hear this, you're like, oh, my goodness. This is, like. This is, like, really terrible, what she's. What she. She's going through right here. And it is really actually very insensitive of UBA that UBO, knowing this information would still, like, voluntarily hit Bryn's triggers like that.

Ronnie Karam (47:27)

Because even. Because if this was true, UBA is not just being mean. She's using someone's sexual assault against them, you know, and that's really, really low.

Ben Mandelker (47:38)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (47:38)

Now, of course, when she said that, I said I didn't believe this for two seconds. Yeah, I don't. You know, Bryn. So Fuller.

Ben Mandelker (47:45)

Meanwhile, also, this is.

Ronnie Karam (47:46)

This is another thing that Bryn does constantly, and it's a. It's a part of her playbook. Whereas if she's not getting the reaction she wants, she ups the Annie, you know, so she's been in there in histrionics, what, for 15 minutes, probably in Showtime, in real time. She's in there going on and on and on, and everybody's just telling her, be quiet, be quiet. Stop, stop. And so she's not getting what she wants. No one's going to yell at uba. There's no one screaming at uba. So what does she do? She's using her rape against me. She's using my rape against me. Yikes.

Ben Mandelker (48:16)

Yeah. And she tells us, you know, when I was gonna tell my friends, I didn't. I didn't want it to be like that. But it, like, you know, it's just out of anger to prove a point. But, like, this is why the Jeff Lewis thing upset me. I don't even remember what the Jeff Lewis thing was. It was like, he said something that.

Ronnie Karam (48:31)

She was getting money from somewhere else, meaning probably some rich sugar daddy after her first season of bragging about dating billionaires exclusively.

Ben Mandelker (48:40)

Yes. So she's like, it's not just an insult. It's because the fact that I'm dealing with something. So I don't want any, like, low blows that aren't true, but let alone about something that I'm still, like, wake up in the middle of the night and can't breathe over. So it's, like, really kind of gutting, right? And so she's just, like, crying, and she's like, I'm not okay after everything I've been through. She. You know, and they're all hugging and, like, Raquel is, like, crying in the confession. She's talking about how her. Her heart is broken for her, it's too common a story, which she's absolutely right about. And Jenna's talking about, like, what this. The. A violation. Like that is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And she just. Jenna's saying that she just can't imagine UBA would make a comment like that, knowing this information. And Jenna says that she would have thought that this was something that was sacred, and you just would never cross that line.

Ronnie Karam (49:31)

Okay? So now Raquel's just like, I can't even look at uba. So people have all believed Brynn again. So now UBA comes up to Brynn, and she's like, can I talk to you? Because UBA has just been told, go make up with Brynn, right? So she doesn't know that Brynn has just dropped this bomb, so she's gonna try it. So she's like, can I talk to you? Let's sit out. Let's sit down. And Jenna's crying. Just be nice. Just be nice to her. So then outside, UBA's like, you know, look, I'd like to apologize what I said. I didn't mean that. And she goes, well, what did did mean? And she says, whatever it is about you, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. She goes, no, you said that I sucked a dick to get a job.

Ben Mandelker (50:09)

Like, no, I didn't say that. So Aaron's like, maybe UBA didn't realize while she was saying it that this is a pain point for br. Like, when she didn't realize saying, a mother dying from cancer was a pain point for me. And so Jessel's like, no, wait, hold on.

Ronnie Karam (50:26)

I'm sorry, Aaron. This is also why Uba's flying off, because they used that against her and made her try to look like a monster. When she said that stuff in front of Aaron, could that have been more sensitive? Of course. But guess who else lost their mother? Uba. What do you think she was talking about when she was saying, sometimes you lose your family sometimes? I mean, it's just like, could she have been more sensitive? Yes. But I can also see why she's being hypersensitive to being accused of all this stuff constantly.

Ben Mandelker (50:53)

And to Aaron's credit, I thought, like, you know, Aaron was triggered and she went off and she cried and Uba went in, and then Aaron was like, this is why I'm crying. It was like a normal and mature, you know, exchange and resolution. So Jessel is has a big important announcement, which is, I'm doing cops because this is stressful. I was like, you're not the only one. As I dive into my Jenny's eyes. Scream.

Ronnie Karam (51:21)

So we go back to the apology, and Uber's just like, look, I'm here to apologize, okay? I'm just here to apologize. And she's, well, then do it properly. She goes, bryn, I didn't say that. You did that. And she goes, okay, then I'm good. I'm good. Then like, I just accused you of using my rape against me, so I'm not letting you off that easy. So gotta let this all play out. So she's like, it's performative. It's not real. Like, she said this and I know that she's not sorry.

Ben Mandelker (51:45)

Bryn talking about performative is hilarious. So Aaron is like, can you just say I'm sorry for insinuating it was like, I did. And Bryn's like, no, not for insinuating. Say, I'm sorry for saying that you suck dick to get a job. It's like, well, I'm not saying that because I didn't say that. So Bryn's like, see, there you go. So Ubis just, like, walks away. She's like, I've had enough. And Bryn's like, thanks for making this easy. And she's like, go yourself.

Ronnie Karam (52:11)

So Rebecca's like, don't worry. She will apologize. She will. She will.

Ben Mandelker (52:16)

Rebecca, you're talking to the wall right now.

Ronnie Karam (52:19)

I really am sorry. Just because someone faced me in the right direction. Direction.

Ben Mandelker (52:23)

It's like, I must have had, like, tears of gorilla glue or something like that. Like these Eyelids are not opening up. I've over squinted it.

Ronnie Karam (52:31)

So they're basically exhausted, right? They're like, look, this is so support Bran. Everyone's so sorry for you, Bran. Let's just all go to bed and maybe we can heal from the evil UBA overnight. So they all start going to bed. So dun dun dun. 10:56pm Knock on the door from a producer camera guy. And Raquel's like, oh, you're taking my mic. Okay, well it's cameras go down time.

Ben Mandelker (52:56)

Mm. And so Eren's like, this is when shit gets real. As in Abe sold another one of my bitcoins. Like, what the fuck, man? So then Raquel is like, the whole night was just insane. And Jessel says, well, I go into Uber's room because I feel like it's important to share with her what Bryn told us. And so she does that. And then Raquel says that they were something.

Ronnie Karam (53:21)

I also love that she did this off camera. I mean, who, what housewife does that? Normally they wait to have a camera to tattletale. And Jessel just went as a friend after the cameras were down to be like, listen, this is what's going on, you know.

Ben Mandelker (53:35)

So UBA loses her mind because uba's like, I did not know that. And now I'm being set up to look like the biggest that's been on Bravo. So she just starts screaming and we can't. It's hard to even hear what she's saying. But like she, she's. She tells us, you know, Jessel told me, like, uba, why. Why are you speaking to Bryn this way when you know that she was raped? And I said, what? I don't know that at all. So UBA is like, you know, I'm sure also like UBA is like first of all mortified because she didn't realize this. And then she's also probably feels she pro. It's probably like triggered all sorts of multiple multifaceted emotions. And so now she's really just like.

Ronnie Karam (54:20)

Well yeah, I mean first your father was raped, so that's not great because you feel fearful, friend. And you know, you're also like, oh my God. Now she's trying to make it look like I'm using her rape against her, which is really what's going on. And she can't take anymore. I mean she's just like done. Like how many times do you get to do this to one person? So she basically has a breakdown and she's in the corner shaking like a ball. And this is as it's described by the other ladies. And UBA is saying, I just want her to tell me when she told that. Told me that so I can remember before I deny it. Like, just tell me when you said it. But she does not seem to have known this at all. Like, I'm buying that she didn't know it, you know? So then UBA is, like, freaking out at Bryn. She's like, bryn, you said on camera you were raped. And I knew about it. This bitch. Bitch, Are you kidding me?

Ben Mandelker (55:11)

And Jessel's like, man, Vesuvius just erupted. And I was like, I put the plug on it. So Uber is. She's. She's. Is like. She's seeing red. She's like, I'm gonna kill this girl. She said, I knew she was raped. She said that. And she just, like, she goes into her room, and then Raquel is saying how, like, UBA came right up to their faces and starts screaming, like, if you believe. If you believe this. And Jenna was like, okay, calm down. Like, apparently UBA was just, like, livid about this and right in their faces.

Ronnie Karam (55:44)

So then Jenna's saying, you know, she's just at the core of her being just trying to convince me and just make sure I understand that she didn't. No. So then Raquel is saying, you know, and then she proceeds to tell us, may Allah strike me down and kill my firstborn if I did this. And no one would say something like that if they weren't telling the truth. So now the ladies are starting to believe uba. So Aaron is like, well, how? Aaron is just talking about. She's like, how would UBA know that she was raped? Like, I didn't even know that she was raped. And Raquel says, well, this is fucking crazy, this whole thing. And Bryn comes down. She goes, now what are we talking about? She's saying, she didn't know. Oh, right, she didn't know. And.

Ben Mandelker (56:28)

And yeah. So then Aaron talks about how, Brin, there's all this commotion, and I don't know what the hell's going on. And Bryn starts telling her the story about what she went through. And Bryn. Brynn says, I told uba. I said, you know, I got raped three years ago. And UBA said, I will get a car and come get you. And she goes, I don't lie. And we heard the sort of different versions of the story over the course of the season that, like, there was a point where Bryn was really low and Uber got her a car and, like, propped her up around Bravo Con and so Bryn, Bryn's like, tells us, you know, last year before BravoCon, there was a suicide attempt with a loved one. And she was really upset. And uba, she and Uber were really close and that Uber was one of the first people that Brennan called. And she was like ranting and being like all this stuff. And she's screaming and crying and she was saying things like, why does this keep happening to me? Like my childhood, my thing. And she was just saying, she basically went through this list of everything that had happened. And she's like, I was so hysterical, so I don't know if she remembered, but in my mind she knew.

Ronnie Karam (57:30)

In my mind, she knew. And that's pretty much all you need to know about Bryn right there. She can cry, she can throw her fits, she can list off every single thing she's ever been through. But that I think illustrates Bryn perfectly. In my mind, she knew. No, you know, your caught. You know your ass is caught. And you see how Uba's reacting. And now you're gonna try and reel it in in your confessional. Unbelievable. So now the producers are trying to calm people down and uba, still losing it. She's like, I got, I got. Are you insane? Like, she's crying, she's sobbing, she's yelling, this is lying. You son of a. You lying. And she starts going towards her room screaming, you psycho. And she's like, and you told, you told Jenna not to tell me this. Like I'm supposed to sleep with this. And she's telling, this is to Raquel. She says, and you told Jenna not to tell me this. Like I'm like, I'm supposed to sleep with this information? Are you insane? So they're like, damn. And Jessel says, I've never seen her this way. You know, she's throwing up and UBA is just sobbing to the cameras. And she's like, only three people know the truth. God, me, and her. And I wish I knew I. What I did to her to do. For her to do something like this, right?

Ben Mandelker (58:41)

So UBA leaves because they basically take her to a hotel. And Jessel goes with her good friend. That's a real friend right there, everyone. And Jessel is, she basically says, like, it's a really impossible situation because Bryn shared a trauma. But in the present, UBA is experiencing her own trauma. So it's not like I value one friendship over the other. It's literally in the moment. I wanted to make sure that UBA felt supported.

Ronnie Karam (59:05)

So now the ladies are gathering the next morning, right?

Ben Mandelker (59:11)

No well, not quite yet because the producer says, what happens next? So Brynn, I'm sorry. So Uba leaves everything, everything seems to settle down. It's now 12, 17. And the girls basically go to Jenna's room and Bryn walks in and the only people who are not there are Jessel and uba. And Aaron says that Bryn starts talking about her story, this like terrible thing that hap. Well, I guess her story about telling uba And Jenna says, says she's like, the whole thing breaks my heart. It was like a little kid looking for someone to comfort her. And so Sai said. Sai tells us that she said, brynn, did UBA know about what happened to you?

Ronnie Karam (59:53)

And that's when Bryn says, come to think of it, maybe she didn't clock it. And Aaron's like, yeah, everything I thought about brand changed in that moment immediately. So Bryn knew she went too far and started trying to reel it in so size. Like, yeah, not clocking something like that versus accusing her of knowing. Yeah, those are two different things. So this is when the ladies are like, nah. And Raquel says, yeah, I'm not doubting her experience, but it's clear to me that her story is just not lining up. You know, I checked out within a couple of minutes. And the producer says, why? And she says, because I realized that she was lying, you know.

Ben Mandelker (60:30)

And Aaron is like, I will bet my life on the fact that UBA did not know. And I will tell you that, that this is not in her character. She's a lot of things, but this she not know about. And Sai saying like, we're at a point where we just don't know what to do. They basically, she's like, we're just gonna go, we're just gonna go to bed. But then she says like, we start whispering and talking and she comes back in the room and she's like, hi guys. And basically Bryn like has comes back to be like, are you guys mad at me? Or whatever. Cuz like at this point Bryn now realizes that she's massively up and she's now lost the support of all her friends and size.

Ronnie Karam (61:05)

Like, yeah, her mistake was normally she goes and talks to one or two people and then gets them going. But this time she had us all there and she couldn't spin it. You know, we were all there watching this. And so Aaron's like. And that's when everything changed in this group of girls. So the next morning, so we see the producers kind of sitting around. This is before shooting time. And Brent's just lying on the couch with the producers, talking and laughing, going over the schedule for the day. And it's awkward as hell watching her just act like nothing happened, you know, like, oh, here we are for another fun day. Horseback riding. Yeah.

Ben Mandelker (61:47)

And they're all kind of, like shocked. And so Bryn's gonna leave and she. She decides she's. She's going to leave. And the producer's like, okay. And by the way, there's also a screenshot where the producer had texted Bryn or was texting with Bryn, and the producer said, hey, just FYI, we have had around the clock security at the villa for this trip, and our female will be inside the villa for tonight. Which is again, problematic as, you know, like, oh, gotta watch out for violent uba. She's just gonna come and invade the villa and attack Brynn when it's like, Bryn is the one who is weaponizing this horrific chapter in her life against uba. It's just so sickening.

Ronnie Karam (62:27)

But she's also texting like, I want to go, you know, so they're like, okay, we found a 12:30 flight to JFK. And Brent's like, yeah. I was like, I've got to get out of here. And they're like, okay, we'll make it happen, you know? So I wake up the next morning and that's that. So she's. She's just telling the ladies, I'm out of here, you know, so side knows. She's like, bryn knows she fucked up, you know, and she can never just take accountability. Like, I'm so sorry. I mean, say something. But Bryn's like, we have horseback riding. We have things to do, and like, let's just get it done and figure out stuff later.

Ben Mandelker (63:01)

Yeah. And so I was like, yeah, just have a fun, super fun day. She's like, yeah, let's just like, have a fun day. And Bryn's like, yeah, I can do like a 180, man. Like, I'm actually like a psycho in that regard and size.

Ronnie Karam (63:13)

Like, well, you're honest sometimes.

Ben Mandelker (63:16)

And so Bryn is like, but I. She's like, I just need to leave. So basically the trip ends early. So Bryn's gonna. Bryn leaves and everything. And Jenna says, like, I get it. She just wants things to be normal. That's her coping. And you know that, like, her waking up in the morning and saying, like, the best thing for me to do right now is pretend it didn't happen. Like, that's how she gets through life, right?

Ronnie Karam (63:39)

So now the. The ladies sit outside, Bryn leaves, but the other Ladies sit outside and they're talking about Jessel. And, like, have. Have you guys talked to Jessel or uba? And Aaron's like, well, Jessel called me a bunch of times this morning, but I'm, like, mentally not well from this. Like, I couldn't even eat anything. And so they're talking about how stressed they are about it. And Jenna's like, I think we can all agree, though, that it's pretty clear that UIT didn't know about any of this stuff. And they're like, yeah, yeah, no, no.

Ben Mandelker (64:09)

No, she did not know. And then Aaron, of course, is like, now, you know I didn't call you poor, right, Jenna? Right. I might as well relitigate all the lies that Bryn told. Finally off the hook for that one.

Ronnie Karam (64:20)

Even though you've insinuated it like, 10 times on camera to us, Aaron.

Ben Mandelker (64:25)

And Raquel's like, or that she was in on the prank. I mean, look, we have to look at it all differently. They're all like. They're like, checking off their list of arguments they can retroactively win now.

Ronnie Karam (64:35)

So basically we get that all of the women now believe Bryn is a complete, compulsively lying, crazy person. Like, they're just like, fuck her. Like, everybody is now backed away from Bryn and just completely dropped her in their minds. Like, they're just like, she's done. You know? So then we get one of the best editing pieces of the season, which is the Bryn Langman. And it's so good. I mean, it's. It's just so good. And I. I'm almost jealous of the person who got that job of, like, just sit here all season and collect Bryn's lies. Thanks.

Ben Mandelker (65:09)

Yeah, it felt very much like Kaiser. So say, like, the Kaiser. So say reveal. We just go through all the times where Bryn just started saying things that were kind of like, at the crux of lots of controversies and. Or the beginning of rumors and gossip or feuds. And she could be here, the cheese thing. And then, like, it's so weird. He, like, wasn't wearing his ring and then he's like, I don't know what's going on. Like, talking about, I think Povett from that season from that year. Then Bryn talking about the Connecticut guy and Uba's life. She's just going through all of it. And it is. It is a pretty amazing montage.

Ronnie Karam (65:42)

I mean, it's pretty much every storyline, it's every point of discord on this show. That's just Bryn lying, lying, lying, lying. Now they Cut out the parts where Aaron was with her most of those times, helping her, because of course her henchmen going to get away, but I'm going to have to get over it, so. And of course, the audience also knows all this, right? The audience has seen her doing this, but hopefully seeing it all cut together like this, people will finally get it, you know. But it does sometimes take a good finale to like just squish it all into your brain and be like, wow, were they setting this up the whole time and just kind of let letting Bren go.

Ben Mandelker (66:16)

This is kind of like a very, very dark and gritty, like, sort of, what's the right word? Companion piece to like the reality of aunties and Monica of it all.

Ronnie Karam (66:28)

Right?

Ben Mandelker (66:28)

Like, that was like the high camp, silly, low stakes version. This is kind of the oh, but this is the. Oh, it's much sadder when it swirls around, you know, big trauma and like someone who has really, you know, been damaged in their life through whatever childhood sadness. So I don't know how to say it in a nice way. I feel like I'm just making it sound terrible. But psy basically is like, you know, she changed the situation to work in her favor. And then she says it in a way that sounds so believable that people will take. Take a side. And Aaron's like, I believe that the truth always comes out, like with bitcoin sales. And Jenna is like. She's like, yeah, last night, the conversation we had in the room when we're all together, she went on about the story. I believe her. I believe something happened. And we all believe, like you said, Ronnie, like they said, like everyone says, we all believe that, that Bryn is the victim of, of this horrific incident. Like, we 100% believe it, but what we don't believe are the various stories she tells in her life when she spreads gossip and the disruptions she creates.

Ronnie Karam (67:36)

Right? And so Jenna's like, well, look, clearly something went down and she's hurt, you know, but I feel confused and I also feel a little taken advantage of. And so I was like, you know, I believe it too. But I think she also lied so much as a child to cover up a lot of her trauma that it bleeds into her adulthood, which I thought was 100%. Yeah, pretty right on. And I also like that kind of compassion coming from them. Because one thing I was thinking while I watch this, besides, Bryn, you fucking compulsive liar, you're finally caught. I mean, there was definitely that part, but the other part of it Even through to the end, because it just. It doesn't get better for Bryn through the end of this episode. But even through that, I was thinking, oh, my God, this poor thing, like, she sucks, and she deserves a lot of what's coming to her. But this is going to be hard, especially for someone emotionally unstable as Bryn and so sensitive to, like, oh, Jeff Lewis said some. Some joke about me on his show. I mean, this is gonna really hit hard because you know how Housewives fans are. I mean, the public in general isn't great, but you piss off the Housewives fans. The shit that they're probably saying all over her Instagram, she's not gonna live this down for a long time. And that's really difficult for kind of a weak. It's difficult for anybody. But I think it's gonna be really, really hard for her. And I don't. I don't love that.

Ben Mandelker (68:57)

You know, it's hard with people like this. And I draw a strange comparison to James Kennedy, too, where we hear the context of their lives. Lives. And your heart kind of breaks for them because, you know, they've had. They were. They. They had so much pain. They had so much, like, trauma, so much damage in their childhood that really informs their present. And so your heart breaks, and then you see them doing things, and like you said, it doesn't excuse your behavior in the present. And so then we all. We get mad at them. But then you also, like, part of me also feels like I'm just perpetuating a cycle, but she's perpetuating a cycle too. Like she's doing things. Things. We get mad at her, and it makes me feel like if the. Whatever cycle's going on in her life, it just keeps going, you know, and it's. I. I just feel like it's such a. It's so sad. And I think that's why I came away from this episode. Like, yes, it's dark. My heart breaks for the pain that she's gone through. My heart breaks also for the pain that UBA had to go through in the situation. Let's not forget that. But, like, the sadness is like, this is just like a sad person. Person who is going to go through this cycle over and over and over again. Just the way we see it happening with James Kennedy, someone who's like, will try to maybe break out of it, but they can't. They just can't do it. It's like. It's really like. It's a sad commentary on the human condition, which sounds very lofty but it's true. It really is.

Ronnie Karam (70:19)

So, yeah, basically they're just commiserating about all of the stuff that's gone down. So they're like, well, we have to do main titles in a couple of days. What. What are we going to do? And Jenna's like, are we still. I just thought we wouldn't have an opening anymore. Can we just. Can they use puppets? Can they just use puppets?

Ben Mandelker (70:39)

Can we just have Rebecca Minkoff stand on screen and bump into things? Guys, not funny. Okay? I've missed out on two days of this vacation because of my squint.

Ronnie Karam (70:50)

Rebecca, you just answered the iron. I'm sorry.

Ben Mandelker (70:55)

I thought, why am I getting in bags?

Ronnie Karam (70:57)

S. Like, listen, she's going to be calling Aaron the most, okay? So watch out. And she's going to try and rectify this situation and act like nothing happened. Which beep, like, right on cue. It's Aaron. It's Brent texting Aaron. And she's like. She texted me, are we. Are you getting out of here today? And Raquel's like, yeah, because she's concerned that we're all staying and she's not. And she says, yep, I've seen it before. It's like Narcissism 101 that she's concerned. She's all. She's only concerned about that and not about the madness that she unleashed, you know, and it's not whether UBA's okay. You know, that was not a text out of concern. That was only concern for. For herself.

Ben Mandelker (71:32)

Yeah. Which is what's so up. And please, with my little rant about the human condition, etc, please don't confuse that to, like, we gotta help out Bryn, and. And, like, show more compassion to her when, like, UBA is right now the one who I think is the victim in this situation, and let's not forget that.

Ronnie Karam (71:51)

So, okay, so now Aaron's like, yeah, I do kind of feel bad for her. And so I was like, well, I mean, she has issues. She needs to talk to somebody. And so they're all getting ready to go. And so UBA comes and they just hug uba and they're. And Raquel's like, I'm so sorry. I did not know what was going on. And Jaisal's saying, oh, you know, it's okay. Like, we get how it looks with the optics and stuff. And Aaron says, I'm sorry for assuming that was true. And Jenna's like, you want to talk a little bit? And she's like, I'm just worried to go back to last night. And she goes, well, you don't have to. You know, we truly believe that you did not know. None of us believe that you knew. And Aaron's like, yeah, you know, when she called you to tell you something going on, that she had said it, she was like, but. And an hour later, she goes, yeah, maybe she didn't clock it. And Uba's like. She looks at them like you. Of course she did. You know.

Ben Mandelker (72:42)

Yeah. And Jenna's like, I'm sure if you had clocked it, I'm like, you know, like, I'm sure you would have circled back and been like, hey, can we talk about what you mentioned to me on the phone? Like, it wouldn't have been just, like, a passing comment. It would have been something. Something that, like, UBA would have, like, stopped at and, like, had more of a discussion about. And UBA's like, you know, the outside people, they're gonna say what they're gonna say, and they know things or they don't know things, as you know. The fact is there's people, there's three of you that were out there believing that I knew this. And she's trying to leverage how I said she slept with someone, how she's trying to put you against me. And they're like, yeah, we know, we know. And Rebecca's like, there's no doubt in your main tuba. And UBA is basically. It's actually a really nice moment. It's so rare that you see, like, full redemption, redemption so quickly on these shows.

Ronnie Karam (73:28)

And she was like, well, I'm glad they finally see it, you know, and they have integrity because they could just take Brin side. And there was one. And UBA says, well, the most important thing is, is she okay? And Raquel's like, she's okay. And I was like, wow. And that's just what Raquel said. Like, Bryn didn't even say, is UBA okay? She didn't even ask about uba. But Uba's like, is Bryn okay? Even though she's been hurt by this person over and over again? And so Jenna's like, yeah, there's something more going on for her. She's shaking, she's crying. And I think she just realized she fucked up, you know, so now it's time to head to the airport.

Ben Mandelker (74:10)

And there, now this is where they're all saying, like, oh, well, you know, Bryn's not a horrible human being, blah, blah, blah. And Aaron says a lot of stuff about, like, she just messed up. So now they go, now we have the opening credit shoot. This is so meta that now like we are like about like the episode is now about like how are they all going to react when they shoot the opening credits on this TV show? So they all are getting ready and Raquel tells us that when they flew back, Uba was talking about how scared of what Mr. Connecticut was going to think and how she could explain this with that and she was afraid that she was going to look crazy to him. And so she's all concerned. And Raquel's also spiraling because she's realizing that she can still be manipulated after all these years where she thought she had grown wrote out of that.

Ronnie Karam (74:52)

So then we see Raquel's end card as she poses and does her like, Raquel and Mel still haven't made it down to Puerto Rico, but they have been to the Hamptons where they're buying a home close to Aaron and gay B Gabe, Gay Gaba, Gab. So then Sai goes to talk to Aaron and she's like, are you talking to Brandon? She's like, I texted her this morning. I was like, are you okay? And she was like, no know. Great story. Great story. Aaron. You really got a lot of charisma telling that one.

Ben Mandelker (75:24)

I don't think Brand is a bad person. Good people do bad things too. And I think it comes from a place of pain. Oh, really? You think so, Aaron? Aaron is done with pranks but not surprises. She surprised Abe with a baby bump. And the baby's gender is a secret they're keeping together.

Ronnie Karam (75:43)

Their baby's gender is bitcoin. It's.

Ben Mandelker (75:46)

It's a dogecoin. It's.

Ronnie Karam (75:48)

It's a doji. So size like, yeah, that was pretty up. That was bad. And I think it's like maybe she's starting to realize and size like, yeah, I don't see Brent as the same person. That's sad. I mean, Brun was so fun and bubbly, but it's like things have changed. You know what it's like. Have you ever been to a house with no lunch? You never go back to that house again. Brenna's a house with no lunch. She's a lunchless house. There's nothing could for me there.

Ben Mandelker (76:15)

Sai is still on her Zen journey and has even taken up meditation. She's better at taking deep breaths but still struggles with taking.

Ronnie Karam (76:25)

So then now it's Aaron and Jessel and Jessel's like, I mean, I'm worried. I texted her. I mean it's just Bryn, you know, just being brin like, pleasant. But does she remember what happened? I mean, I hope she's okay. And she says that she doesn't think Bryn understands or is aware of the gravity of this, and she just hasn't had the opportunity to be in front of Bran and to kind of explain the context of everything. So Bran still doesn't know that everybody knows that she's just a flat out compulsive liar now and that they've all turned against her. She's just like, whatever. Coming to work.

Ben Mandelker (76:56)

Yeah, I don't think so. So Jaisal and Pavitt recently celebrated their 10th wedding anniversary, and Pavitt got her a gift. It was upon me, but it wasn't a baby girl. So then. Then we have, like, Jenna and talking about, like, she has tenderness towards Brynn and she has 10 towards UBA. She cares about them both and hopes that people give Bryn some grace and she didn't do it maliciously. And I don't know. And I hope that she didn't. And then it says, Jenna has made room in her home for Cass and her kids. Her heart is full just like her bush. I was like, well, okay, all right. Well, just throw that right in this very serious ending.

Ronnie Karam (77:36)

Okay, great, Right? So now it's uba. And she's like, I hope I have Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad and God. And the whole weekend I was literally just healing and taking care of myself and thanking God that I'm Uber Hassan. And I think I'm in a very good place because I'm actually sending love to the other side. And so I was like, but what if she talks to you? I already asked him not to be mic'd, which was very smart. She's like, I'm not wearing a mic in this shit. So she says she showed up to work because they worked really hard for this show, and she's not gonna let down the girls because of Bryn, but she does not want Bryn having a chance to be like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. And I'm sorry specifically about saying dress barn and then not take responsibility for everything else. And she's like, if she did that, I would not be held responsible for whatever I did.

Ben Mandelker (78:27)

So then that Bryn is arriving and stuff, and she's like, hey. She's like, it's just like, a weird vibe. Like a weird, awkward vibe. But, like, I'm very much about, like, work. And, like, this is, like, work. And, like, we gotta do this shoot and, like, suck it up and whatever. It's like, Bryn maybe choose different words after that. Entire fight. Thank you very much.

Ronnie Karam (78:50)

So, uba, I wish I had a groan. Sound effect.

Ben Mandelker (78:53)

Grr. So UBA's like, towards Brynn or towards both? Towards you.

Ronnie Karam (79:01)

Towards both, actually. So Uber's like, I can't even hate Rin. Like, if I hold grudges for her, I would never trust and she would cut my wings. So I forgive her for me to move on and for me to live my life with wings like pigeon. So then she does her, you know, beautiful movements or whatever for her photo shoot, and she is moving forward with fibroid surgery, and her recovery plan involves lots of foot rubs from Oliver. So now Bryn and the ladies are all taken to the set, and they're on. Brandon and UBA are on opposite sides of the, you know, lineup, and they have to do their final poses. And Brand's like, UBA doesn't seem bothered. I mean, UBA doesn't seem upset. And everyone's just like, oh, my hair and makeup must be nice. Like, I'm over here, and I want to die inside. Nobody gives a. The one thing I learned is that these girls really don't give a. Everyone say cheese. Yeah. Enjoy that hole you dug. Yeah, dummy.

Ben Mandelker (80:02)

Bryn spent some time in France learning how to cook, but she swears she's done stirring the pot, and I hope.

Ronnie Karam (80:09)

She learned better than she did chess. I will never forget that scene when she's like, I play jazz. And then she lost, like, in one move.

Ben Mandelker (80:17)

They just show her, like, do, like, move one pawn. And then the guy she's playing with just, like, sends his hand, like, good game. Yeah, exactly.

Ronnie Karam (80:25)

So Aaron, you know, they finish the show, and Aaron says bye to her. And Aaron gets the last line because she's inexplicably the lead of this show. And again, I just want to point out one more time, we made it through a whole finale again of Aaron not taking any shit from anybody for all the shit she stirred. So she owes a huge thank you bouquet to Bryn. So she's like, you know, Bryn should still be okay. I mean, there's still a path for all of us if Bryn can really own the this cackling hags.

Ben Mandelker (81:00)

I don't think so. I don't think so. I think. I think Bryn needs to focus on herself right now, and, you know, God bless. But now we have our reunion coming up, which looks like it'll be quite something. Jenna wears a robe and a turban, which is great, and we'll see how this all shakes out. I am preparing to cringe through a lot of it.

Ronnie Karam (81:24)

Yeah. Amen. Well, you know, compelling last episode. Weird show.

Ben Mandelker (81:29)

Yeah. I mean, it was something.

Ronnie Karam (81:31)

It definitely gave us a lot to think about and a lot to talk about. So thanks. And we'll still be talking about you for the next five weeks of your reunion or however long you decide this. This reunion needs. But we'll be back next week. Thanks so much for being here with us, everybody. We sure love you.

Ben Mandelker (81:49)

Bye.

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