Ben Mandelker (2:40)

I know. I really needed this episode.

Ronnie Karam (2:42)

Me too. Pure fucking stupidity. Oh, my God. This show's so dumb. I love it. It's so dumb. They literally talk about nothing, and then Carl's fit about nothing made life worth living. I loved it.

Ben Mandelker (2:55)

Kyle having a tantrum because she's so caught and she's so wrong and she's so cornered, so she just goes to whatever she knows best. She pulls out a tantrum. I mean, this. This is what I tune into for Housewives. This is more like it. And it was a much needed salvo after that Rooney finale.

Ronnie Karam (3:14)

Yeah, that was a wreck. Okay, so we start with a brilliant Trixie Monocle song. I mean, Trixie was killing it in this entire episode. Great music she's putting together. She's putting out some great work this season. But this one is. I leave it to the haters. I never want to be like that I never want to be like that I leave it to the haters why? Because I'm bigger than that. That's right. That's right. Now let's see what the ladies are doing in Beverly Hills. Take it away, Sutton. I'm putting on lipstick. Great. All right, I'll sing another verse.

Ben Mandelker (3:47)

All the imitators trying to be my enemy I leave it to the haters I leave it to the haters it sounds like you're hating on your imitators, so maybe you're leaving it to yourself. Trixie. Think about it.

Ronnie Karam (3:59)

Let's see what Garcelle's doing. I'm putting on a shoe. Wow. Great. On the greatest. They see my face. It's everywhere. What's Dorit doing? And Dorit's talking to her poor friend Ploy, who probably hasn't been paid in 10 years. And she's like, today is all about meditation and healing and forming a sisterly bond.

Ben Mandelker (4:22)

Yeah. So it's kind of like what you need today, right, girl? And she's like, yes. Only it doesn't tend to be relaxing with this group of women. Girl.

Ronnie Karam (4:35)

Then we go to Boses, and they're setting up. She's got a whole staff there setting up for Bose's serenity gathering. So Nico comes in. He's like, bose, quick question. When the ladies get their robes and the slippers are right under them, what if the slippers are wrapped in, like, ribbon, like a big bow? I've been working on that all night. She's like, you know what? We should do the Waist has. The waist is the bow. And the slippers are tucked in there. He's like, okay, well, I. I love that. Really glad I expended all of this creative energy to be slapped down again. Thanks. I'll be in the kitchen, I guess, making you a keurig.

Ben Mandelker (5:12)

Don't use excess ribbon. We already have straps around the robes. I invented that. Okay, spray, spray, spray. Get the spray on my face, everyone. So poor Nico. But by the way, I did notice that when the robes were laid out, the slippers were below the robes. They were not tucked into the robes. I noticed that. That was a little bit of a failure.

Ronnie Karam (5:32)

Heads are rolling. Nico's head is rolling down the hill, probably wrapped in one of those fucking bows he tried to pass off.

Ben Mandelker (5:39)

So, speaking of bows, Bows herself says, I decided to host the Sisterhood Serenity soiree because I was inspired by Sutton's idea of sisterhood. And I just want to say a bunch of words that started with Susan in the beginning.

Ronnie Karam (5:53)

Here's the real reason I'm doing this. In the corporate boardroom. Sometimes somebody will have a really good idea, but they don't know how to execute it. And we see Sutton's disastrous sister party where she started yelling at everybody and having a fit, and she's like, so now I gotta come and do this mess. You think Microsoft Word invented itself? No, before that, it was Microsoft letters. I came in and I turned them into a word, and there you go. Now it's in everyone's computers.

Ben Mandelker (6:22)

It used to be called Micro hard. And I said, no, Microsoft. That's more approachable.

Ronnie Karam (6:31)

So Dorit comes in and Bose is like, well, I wanted to call you real quickly because Garcelle came over, and one thing she brought up that disturbed me is I think there's more to the texting between PK than maybe I thought. And then we see Garcelle telling Bose, Kyle read the text.

Ben Mandelker (6:54)

Wait, I'm trying to think of the right words to express my reaction. Might I suggest, waa, wow.

Ronnie Karam (7:02)

And it sounded like there's more to it than just, oh, we're sending friendly memes back and forth. And she's like, well, I literally just spoke with Erica, though. And then we see 30 minutes of Erica being like, yeah, she showed her phone. It's nothing bad. Trust me. I got a lot of more dicks in my phone than she ever have in hers, so don't worry about it, honey.

Ben Mandelker (7:20)

Well, I wouldn't think it was. It was her reaction that made me go, hooray, sir. Bose is like, well, she was sending on business saying she wasn't going to talk about or read the message. Right? And in the corporate boardroom, when you say you're not going to read a message, you don't read the message. But guess what? She isn't in the corporate boardroom. She's on the playground. And I respected her for a moment, but now. Now she's going to read the message in the corporate. Corporate playground than to some people. Then I don't know why she can't read it to the entire room of the conference.

Ronnie Karam (7:51)

And she's telling us, yeah, there's something to the fact that Kyle chose a moment when I wasn't there and Dorit wasn't there to show that message. And she obviously just wanted to show it to people who were like, oh, it's okay, girl. You didn't do anything wrong. And she goes, oh, you did. You did.

Ben Mandelker (8:11)

She chose that moment. She said, I am going to reveal these text messages within the presence of an animatronic ra. And that's what she did. And there was pizza there too. She knew she'd be insulated. But not for me.

Ronnie Karam (8:23)

Why am I the last one to know when it's about me? I know, I know. We'll get her. So then we get my favorite musical cue of the night. We just hear Trixie go, my life is great. That's the whole song. So then we go to Kyle's house, and she's trying to FaceTime Kathy, but Kathy lost her phone, so she has to FaceTime Rick instead. And Kathy's just like, oh, hi, Kyle. What are you doing inside Rick's phone? Kyle, come out of there.

Ben Mandelker (8:56)

She's like, oh, my God, Kathy, I am so jealous of your trip. She's like, oh, yeah? Well, that's nice, sweetheart. What's going on? She's like, well, I had the biggest fight with Dorit. She goes, again, you gotta stop fighting with the people who are close to you. She goes, yeah, but all these years we've been friends and she's always loves PK that PK and I are brother and sister. And then all of a sudden, she decides that that bothers her. Yeah. All of a sudden, I wonder what changed. It's almost like, oh, that's right. Dorit and PK are going through a divorce. Just that small thing.

Ronnie Karam (9:27)

Yeah. You know, PK and I like brother and sister of that girl that you hardly know. Oh, okay. And she decides to make it weird about PK sending me memes on Instagram. I mean, are you fucking Kidding me, Kathy. So I'm going to go see her today, which sounds like very relaxing, but whatever.

Ben Mandelker (9:43)

Well, don't let her ruin your day, you know, by the way, also, everyone in America buy my tequila. Bye, Kathy. Bye, Kathy. So Kyle's like, yeah, they're just probably gonna. I'm probably just gonna ignore her. Do not bring your misery to me.

Ronnie Karam (9:59)

Yeah. So now they're doing party setup, party setup, party setup part today. I've got a great afternoon planned. I've got a chef that's got a 14 course meal planned. 14 courses. Have you ever. I've got fluffy robes, fluffy slippers, manly hands, who can give massages. I mean, this. This is healing. This. This is healing.

Ben Mandelker (10:19)

I'm also going to have Nico cup some water in his hands and stand very still until a hummingbird lands on his palm. We'll all get to watch. So. So now they're like, oh, this is nice. Everything. Oh, my God. And Nico's like the queen of the castle bows. She's like, okay, all right, is everyone ready? Flower arrangement. Oh, yes. All this stuff, everything I just talked about, it's all happening. Okay, who's knocking on my door? Like, it's the police. It's Erica. She's like, oh, it's me. I'm the one. Don't say the word police around me. It's a little triggering still. I just barely got through 2020.

Ronnie Karam (10:51)

Yeah, yeah. People start coming. Erica comes, Kyle comes. Jennifer, Grace, Sutton are riding over in an suv. And Jennifer is like, you said you heard from Kyle that she's raring to go. Like, what does she say? Well, you know, she's just so vehement about. Well, there's just no text or line. Etc. It. Etc.

Ben Mandelker (11:16)

Garcelle's like, incriminating. She goes, huh? So Garcelle says, after the Viper Room, I thought we crossed a line that will never be uncrossed. And the line is literally the line in Kyle's forehead as her vein pops out.

Ronnie Karam (11:33)

Well, I hope they can find a way back, because right now it doesn't look like it. So I just don't know. Well, I feel like he was texting her more. More than Mims. And she's downplaying it. Like, he's texting me memes. No, Mims. No memes.

Ben Mandelker (11:54)

No. Yes, memes.

Ronnie Karam (11:58)

And so they're laughing at Jennifer. And Garcelle's like, but she showed the text and read the text and what were they? Well, you know, and then we see her reading it and Kyle's like, I know. You have a lot of friends, but you know, I'm also here. I'm also your friend if you need me. And I've never repeated anything that you've shared with me. And I never would, I never would be gay.

Ben Mandelker (12:20)

So that's, that's. This is not just memes. This is, I mean, memes. Memes, Hogart. I always get it a little bit wrong. And Sutton's like, she says, ma'am, she's Canadian driver. I apologize in advance.

Ronnie Karam (12:33)

So now Dorit shows up at the party and she's like, I don't know how Coyle is feeling coming in today, but truth be tooed, I don't give a shite. The fact that she showed that text message to the other ladies and not to me tells me she's not thinking with the right mind. Sweetheart, you're always telling people to be honest and face things head on. Lead by example.

Ben Mandelker (12:58)

I'd love when Dorita's angry in the confessional.

Ronnie Karam (13:01)

So both likes popping out of her head.

Ben Mandelker (13:08)

Nico, can you help me put down that hummingbird? Help me out here. So Dorit is like, nico, lets do read in and everything. And it's like, oh, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. And then Bose is like, I'm not going to keep getting up and down anymore. I'm not coming. I'm going to stand for you, Doritaxia. Don't stand up for me. Please don't.

Ronnie Karam (13:30)

So Kyle says, and there's some awkwardness and everybody else is in pajamas, but Kyle's in kind of like an evening dress kind of thing. Andrea goes, oh, yes. Hello. Hello everyone. Hello, Suzeraine. So Kyle, is this your comfortable.

Ben Mandelker (13:45)

So comfy wardrobe? Kyle? And Kyle's like, Kyle's so mad. It's a great. It's in Beverly Hills. That might as well be. Be like, you're a bitch. Just be like, oh, is that your comfortable wardrobe?

Ronnie Karam (14:02)

Margarit's like, well, babes did say dress code comfy. I mean, the dress is from 20 2004, so I suppose it's been worn in enough.

Ben Mandelker (14:13)

I thought you looked sexy. Kyle's like, yeah, actually this dress is very comfortable. And I'm like, not so bored that every day has to be a fashion show for me.

Ronnie Karam (14:23)

Yeah, but you're dressed up. That's the point.

Ben Mandelker (14:26)

Your entire storyline is that you're bored at home this season. Just so you know, we saw you.

Ronnie Karam (14:31)

Couldn'T carry a chair through a door.

Ben Mandelker (14:35)

You only just opened the French door. And that's because like, someone came over. Help. So then in Comes Jennifer Till. She says, hello. Your house is so gorgeous. And Garcia's like, oh, who do we kiss?

Ronnie Karam (14:48)

Hello.

Ben Mandelker (14:48)

Where's. Where's someone to hold this? Where's Nico? And Jennifer Tilly's like, hello. Oh, I'm Canadian. In Canada, we remove our shoes too, and they're like, oh, good. More hellos. You know, hellos on this show take 10 minutes every time someone walks through a door.

Ronnie Karam (15:02)

All right, everyone, now. I'm so glad that you're here. I thought it was apropos that as I'm healing, let us all heal together. There, I said it. Now, Jennifer. So we're going into the family room, where robes are lying, and you can meet the chef and everything. Let's go. 14 courses, girls.

Ben Mandelker (15:21)

So they get the robes, which are not tied up with the. With the robe belt. And it's like, here you go. The robes. I invented these robes. I designed them, and I came up with it. I'm gonna call them something called bathrobes. Enjoy. And Carla's like, well, I'm already so comfy and healed. This is wonderful.

Ronnie Karam (15:37)

Here's our amazing chef. Tell them what they're having, boys. So the chef's like, well, we've got some caviar, and we've got slices of watermelon. It's the amuse bouch. He says something like, amazbouch or something.

Ben Mandelker (15:53)

He says, amazbouch.

Ronnie Karam (15:55)

And this explains how you're doing 14 courses. Because I was like, who's making 14 courses? It gave me instant agita because of below deck. I'm like, no, not 14 courses. But he's like, here's your second course, watermelon. He's like, wait a minute.

Ben Mandelker (16:08)

And Jennifer Chili's like, well, it means it moves the math in French. Yes. And Bose is like, garcelle, don't try to say it in a sexy way. Because Garcelle's like, oh, amuse bouche. Huh? Amuse, boosh. Amuse. Like, Garcelle, don't try to say it in a sexy way. I heard you. Because Garcelle's giving him the eye because he's cute.

Ronnie Karam (16:30)

Like, who's more beautiful? Who is it? Chef? Who's more beautiful? We're all available. Jennifer Tilly's like, we're in heat. So he. He's giving them berry antioxidants, Then a salad with some watermelon and his amuse bouche, which is a gift from the chef. Dun, dun, dun. So Sutton's like, oh, Garcelle, we know you speak French. I never. What's amuse bouche. Listen to her. Listen to her. What is it? Tell me what it is. So Beau's like, leave the chef in the kitchen, please. Thank you, chef. Thank you, chef.

Ben Mandelker (17:03)

In corporate America, this is the time when we would go outside. So let's go outside like the real corporate raiders do. So they go outside, and there's like, you know, like, these guys, they're called, like, hands. Man hands. What are they called?

Ronnie Karam (17:18)

Manly hands with a z at the end instead of an S. Like, manly hand.

Ben Mandelker (17:23)

Manly hands. And Garcelle, of course, knows them. She's like, oh, well, talk about an amuse bouche. Hi, boys.

Ronnie Karam (17:31)

And there's, you know, it's going to be a bad episode for Kyle because she literally hired a masseuse team after Kyle's nickname.

Ben Mandelker (17:44)

Well, neck and shoulders. Are you down? He's like, yeah. He's like, I literally do that for my job. And so I was like, I have neuropathy, so I don't feel my feet right now, and they're really bad, but this might actually help. And they all just sit down.

Ronnie Karam (17:58)

And it was funny because Garcelle knew all of the masseuses. She's like, oh, hi, Ricky. Oh, hi, all. Hi, Al. Hi, Alan. Like, how does. How does Garcelle know every single massage person? And she's like, oh, these hands have been all over this body.

Ben Mandelker (18:17)

This is the calm before the storm. It's the quiet period before the shouting starts. Don't worry. I own the Simpsons. This means nothing to me.

Ronnie Karam (18:27)

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

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Ronnie Karam (20:36)

So, you know, small talk while they're getting stuff. But Erica or Garcelle's like, finally, I'm relaxed. I'm ready for a massage. I'm dreaming of beautiful thoughts. Can I speak with you while you're getting a massage, Garcia? She's like, God damn it.

Ben Mandelker (20:52)

Why?

Ronnie Karam (20:54)

Well, the other night in the VIPA room, I got a screaming match with Quail. And when you turned around and asked me, dot dot DOD dooley doot doodly doot. Flashback to one week earlier when Garcelle goes, how are you doing? Do you mean it genuinely? Do you? Do you?

Ben Mandelker (21:12)

Well, I wouldn't have asked if I didn't want to know. I mean, it's like going up to manly hands and saying just the neck and shoulders. Am I right? Who would just ask for that alone? Right, right, right.

Ronnie Karam (21:24)

Well, my reaction was far less about you and more about me. You know, I'm just so lost. She goes, wow, stop there, please. I'm just so sorry. I feel so sad for you. It's almost like you're a person about to get a massage and then it's interrupted and that's Terrible thing to happen to somebody. So I just don't want the kids to have adult trauma. So if there's any insight I can get you, please wait over there while I come up with it.

Ben Mandelker (21:50)

Please do a Internet search for the letter I wrote all of caa. You can just copy and paste that and send that to whoever you want. Enjoy.

Ronnie Karam (21:57)

Well, I know that you and I have had some bumps. Oh, honey, if we had had some bumps, we might actually get along. Go away.

Ben Mandelker (22:06)

Flashback to 2021. I feel like the past couple of months, you've been making lots of jabs. Little jabs at me. Little. Let me just sprinkle some water at you. Little jabs. Jabsy jabs, jabs.

Ronnie Karam (22:20)

Then 2023, you just me. I didn't attack you. For you and your privilege. I can't. I can't. I'm. I so wish they had. Turn in. It's giving bully.

Ben Mandelker (22:34)

I know I've done things that have hurt you, and you felt like I have not been receptive to hearing you in your soul. And for that, I just want to say I apologize to whatever it was. You don't have to go back and say it because I probably won't listen again, but I know I should apologize right now, so I'm going to.

Ronnie Karam (22:51)

Well, thank you for saying that. You could have said it in less words, but I appreciate it coming out all the same. Now please go away. And she's like, well, I'm surprised that Dorit's taking accountability. That has never happened. But I welcome this to read. I welcome it. So now Bose and Jennifer are talking about how chic the sunglasses are. And then Bose moves over to Kyle, and she's like, now, you know, I'm feeling better than I thought I was gonna feel. But now a question for you, Kyle. So Garcelle came over yesterday, and we talked about this now infamous text, you know, between you and what's his name, the guy who eats chips so you don't want to read the text? And I'm like, okay. Well, it just sounds so scandalous. I know, because of course, because now, I mean, right? And then I'm talking with Garcelle, and she's like, oh, well, Kyle and I read the text to everybody, and I'm feeling like, why the fuck didn't she read the text to me?

Ben Mandelker (23:46)

And Kyle's like, well, you know, I'll tell you exactly what I said. I think if I have a good remember memory, I think it said, like, you have a lot of friends, pk, But I'M also one of them. I'm here if you need me. If you want to talk shit about to read, like, I won't tell a soul. It's. She's like, really? It's like, I know it's like low hanging fruit, but we all need to eat fruit sometimes. So, like, just talk. Your. It won't go to any single person. And like, you can trust me if you want to send a meme too, they'll be good. And then in return I'll be like, tell me more about Dorit. And so it's like, I think a pretty benign tax pose.

Ronnie Karam (24:19)

Oh, you just made that sound. So, like, I mean, I just saying, like, you know, you can continue to send me funny meme. I won't forget the laughing emojis and Dorit. Am I right? Did I go too far there?

Ben Mandelker (24:32)

So, Sutton, did someone unlock a car?

Ronnie Karam (24:38)

Or like when the ambulances don't want to wake everybody up so they just go.

Ben Mandelker (24:44)

Or when it's like an ambulance is like, get out of the way. I just need to.

Ronnie Karam (24:50)

So Sutton sees them talking and scoots right over. And Sutton's like, you said more than that, Kyle. You said more than that. She goes, what? And she goes, in your text, you said more than continue sending me funny memes though. She goes, yeah, I'm talking about that. You just stepped into the conversation.

Ben Mandelker (25:06)

Yeah, you can't like, come and do that. She goes, but I was just getting up off my chair. She's like, well, someone's got to stop making it seem like it was weird. My God, this is like really getting dumb. This is like, so dumb. And booze is like, in my opinion, when it comes to a conversation that Kyla's having with pk, Dorit needs to know, tell, do, reach.

Ronnie Karam (25:25)

Yeah. Kyle's like, well, it's so weird that I went to the person who wasn't involved in this and told them instead of the person that was involved so that eventually it would get back to the person that wasn't involved involved, and then everybody could keep talking about it for another few episodes. I'm just so mad about it.

Ben Mandelker (25:40)

So Kyle's like, I just don't know why Bose is like, taking this upon herself to tell me that I need to share my messages with the group. Like, she knows nothing of my relationship with Dorit and she certainly doesn't know my. My friendship with pk and I feel like it's inappropriate that she's like, putting me in this position, that it's insulting to me anyway. I Just let me go back and watch the Denise Richards season, because that's such a fun season to watch. When we made Denise read all her texts on the air, and we forced her to explain her relationship that we didn't really understand with Brandi Glanville. Oh, my God. What a fun time in our lives.

Ronnie Karam (26:07)

Where have all cowgirls gone? Am I right? Why do you think I'm gay? So then Sutton's like, well, no one asked you to pull out your phone, Kyle. You did it. She goes, oh, my God. Why do I owe this to every single person? So now Erica's eavesdropping, and she goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sutton, Sutton, Sutton, no, no, no. Let's not do that. Let's not do it. When we start opening people's phones. Oh, Jesus Christ. I sent Armie Hammer a picture of chicken meat and told him it was my arm. So, you know, nothing's more embarrassing. I still about so him. He's coming back.

Ben Mandelker (26:38)

I mean, I'm not afraid to open up my phone. Look at this. Erica texted me. I live with a man who's got one foot in the grave and one foot on a banana peel. I mean, wow. Oh, you know what? This is from the wrong person. Never mind.

Ronnie Karam (26:49)

Wrong show.

Ben Mandelker (26:50)

Wrong show, Wrong show. I mean, what a contrast between Salt Lake City and this show, where you have on this show, like, no, we don't do that. We don't go into each other's phones and salt, like, say, read the worst text you ever wrote about someone and then read five more. Okay, Youth car, starting with Mary Cosby.

Ronnie Karam (27:07)

If you haven't said something disgusting and violent in your text, take time to compose it now and then screenshot it. We'll be reading in a little while. What'd you say?

Ben Mandelker (27:19)

Make it extra big for Lisa.

Ronnie Karam (27:21)

So Kyle's like, I can't take this anymore. I don't want to talk about it. I just don't want to talk about it. So she's, like, starts dabbing her eyes, you know, and licking her lips crazily. And Bosa's like, hmm. So now she's upset. So it's like, yeah, I just. I don't really understand that. Of course you understand. People can make it into something more than something than it really is. I mean, these are my earrings. And now people are saying they belong to some orphans I've never seen before. So that's all I'm talking about.

Ben Mandelker (27:51)

The rest of these women are pressuring Kyle, almost accusing her of having done something wrong. She has not done anything wrong with. By communicating with a friend. I'm like, the. The way that Erica is trying to, like, pretzel her logic to make it seem like Kyle was not violating girl code. I'm sorry. Is a fail for me.

Ronnie Karam (28:15)

Well, she's choosing her. She's choosing her team. You know, if it's going to be Kyle versus Dorit, you know, Dorit's the only one who gives her the time of day, but she's herself said that Kyle is the queen bee of the show, so she's going to keep that check coming. So she goes to Kyle.

Ben Mandelker (28:28)

Yes.

Ronnie Karam (28:29)

There's no.

Ben Mandelker (28:29)

Well, it's also. It's also indirect. Continued case building for herself. Like, I wasn't given the grace in 2020 when you guys all attacked me for Tom Dorado, so I'm gonna give.

Ronnie Karam (28:42)

The grace to God that I never received.

Ben Mandelker (28:44)

It's like, we gave you the pizza party already. Okay, relax.

Ronnie Karam (28:49)

Kyle helped with the pizza party, and Dorit did nothing. So. So Erica goes to check on Kyle, and Dorit's like, well, I was sitting in the sun, and I feel like I'm not gonna sit in the sun. I'm gonna sit over here. But if I'm over here, there's no sun. Where's the sun? I need some sun. Maybe I'll move over there. Oh, the sun. Oh, God, it's too much.

Ben Mandelker (29:15)

The master at work. Dorit, what are the things you think about when you design things? Like Beverly Beach? Well, I was sitting in the sun, and I was taught I don't want to sit in the sun. So now I've decided I'm going to sit over here. Wow. Thank you. Thank you for that insight.

Ronnie Karam (29:32)

Guys, this is fun. Can we play Trixie's greatest song for the episode, please? My life is great. Okay, let's go on with the scene. So Erica. Erica goes to Kyle, and she's like, what's going on, honey? And she's like, I just can't do this anymore. I'm like, I really can't. I'm just gonna. I've been standing here dabbing my eyes, and, like, no one's even come over except you. Like, I'm not gonna do this. Like, everyone's trying to make it look like there's something wrong with PK I just don't get it.

Ben Mandelker (29:59)

You've done nothing wrong. That's what I said.

Ronnie Karam (30:01)

All you did was just be made to do this. Like, I mean, every time we come up and do this, like, we go through this. Like, why would I want to, like, be here. I'm wrong to read the text. I'm wrong because I didn't read the text.

Ben Mandelker (30:13)

Listen, you're never gonna satisfy.

Ronnie Karam (30:16)

I'll put it back in your mouth.

Ben Mandelker (30:19)

I explained verbatim what the text said, and now I've gotta, like, show it to the group. Like, how old are we? It' like, Kyle, you're the one who is trying to do, like, the mean girls, cool mom with your daughters every single episode. So they're about to pull the maturity card.

Ronnie Karam (30:33)

You're crying, a party and having a fit.

Ben Mandelker (30:35)

So, yeah, yeah. So now the other women are outside, and Dorit's like, why are they having a conversation about the text message without me? And she says, I don't understand how this text message can become a topic of conversation for everybody but me. Is anyone going to. Have you. Have you spoken? Anyone's gonna say, hey, have you spoken to Dorit? Have you shared with Dorit? Have you told Dorit? Have you asked if Dorit is still sitting in the shade or has she moved back to the sun? What about me?

Ronnie Karam (31:02)

What am I, a child? I have to go to the fucking principal's office. No, you know. You know, I don't believe in principals or offices, and I don't think that you owe anyone here an explanation. Except for Dorit, maybe. Probably Dorit. Well, by the way, I don't know where anything, but I'm gonna come out here, I'm gonna read this, and then I'm leaving. And you know I did nothing wrong, right? Erica, you know, it's like. I know. Hey, did you get that picture I just accidentally texted you of a chicken breast? Could you just delete that from your phone?

Ben Mandelker (31:33)

Oh, I already put some text over and sent it as a meme to pk.

Ronnie Karam (31:38)

I said, hey, pk, this looks like that time I caught you coming out of the shower.

Ben Mandelker (31:46)

So Kyle says, chicken breasts.

Ronnie Karam (31:48)

A raw chicken breast is PK's body type.

Ben Mandelker (31:53)

So Kyle's like, all right, I'm gonna say something, and then I'm leaving because I don't know this all. How this all went wrong, but. Okay, I'm gonna say this. Okay.

Ronnie Karam (32:01)

Coil. Please sit down. No, no, no, no.

Ben Mandelker (32:05)

I'm really. I can't do it.

Ronnie Karam (32:06)

I gotta do this. Please just let me say this, because I'm gonna leave.

Ben Mandelker (32:10)

I'm trying to get to a good place in my life, okay? I just want to say the following. I've been in movies with Jamie Lee Curtis. Okay, I'm gonna go, guys. I've said It.

Ronnie Karam (32:20)

Come on, Coyle. I'm fucking leaving. Please. Okay? Cause. Okay. Cause I love you and PK and your kids. Lady I barely knew and had lunch with maybe twice and doesn't work out, so I don't talk to her. But I'm like, you know that I love you. You know that. You know I love you. She's like, I knew, Kyle. And I've been made to feel like I've done something wrong, you know, like sending a text to bk. So I said, I'm gonna read this once and that's it. And then Bo said something today that made it seem like it was something weird. So obviously I'm showing it because it's Bo's fault because I' I'm gonna just read it, guys. I'm gonna read it.

Ben Mandelker (32:54)

Kyle. Kyle, do you want a juice box? Would you like a juice box?

Ronnie Karam (32:58)

If I was there, I would have just thrown a bucket of water on Kyle. Like, what is wrong with you?

Ben Mandelker (33:05)

Give her a juice box and some Ritz crackers. Give her a snack. Let her sit in the corner. Like, now. Do you want to play checkers? Shoot some ladders? What do you want, Kyle? How can we make this better for you?

Ronnie Karam (33:15)

God. So she's like, okay, okay, okay. So it says that he made a joke in April, okay? And then the next text is not until the day that you guys got separated. And I said, I know you have a lot of friends. I'm also one. And if you need me, I've never repeated anything you shared with me, and I wouldn't. Meaning? Meaning, because she knows how that sounds now, you know, she's like, should I just not read that part? There was like a long pause where she's like, I can't skip that part because I already read it to everybody else. God damn it. I have to read it. But meaning. Meaning, Meaning I don't mean regarding you. I mean, I think that's what you're taking it as, like. But I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about this, like, production. Okay?

Ben Mandelker (33:58)

So. So then we see all the cameras, and the camera's like, hello. So I was like, I mean. Which I can say, cuz we're filming, we're in production. Okay, bravo. Bravo. Bravo. SC's like, I don't get what. What her talking to PK has to do with production. I mean, if you're having private conversation with someone and you want to say, I will never share what we talked about with production. You'd write with production. She didn't say that. I mean, she's sort of right. Not the strongest case, but it is true. She's right.

Ronnie Karam (34:28)

So funny. Of course you would write with production. No one else is disgusted any other way. Otherwise, how would you know when it's production? You don't beat around the bush. Wow, Kyle. Wow.

Ben Mandelker (34:42)

That was a double entendre. Because. Still want to talk about last season? Kyle also. So Kyle's like, well, I just thought.

Ronnie Karam (34:49)

But I'm sorry to interrupt you, because Giselle Garcelle said she adds this. She goes. Because either way, it doesn't look good, because obviously it means it was more than memes and jokes, period. I mean, if it's memes and jokes, share them. Production likes to laugh too.

Ben Mandelker (35:08)

By the way, I was. Sorry. I got a little distracted because I was looking up something when Kyle's like, guys, so here I am. I'm messaging with pk, okay? And that was in April. And then, like, I didn't even message him until you guys announced your separation. They announced their separation on May 9, 2024. So, like, you talked in April, and it could have been anytime in April. And then you talked again in May. So it's not like it was like five months went by. You guys talked again. Like, you're not proving. She's just not making a very good case for herself.

Ronnie Karam (35:36)

Yeah, that's Kyle, though. She. She can't make a case for herself. The fun part is just watching her cry and freak out over she caused.

Ben Mandelker (35:44)

So then she says, yeah, she's like I said, keep sending memes, and I won't forget the laughing emojis. Because, you know, he gets mad if you don't respond. Like, I have to respond. It wasn't my fault. I wrote to him. He got mad at me. I'm like, what? Now all of a sudden, this is PK's fault? And she's like, oh, that's all. And that's all I fucking said. And I'm done. I'm done. I'm not gonna be made to feel like I did something wrong, okay? I loved you and your family, even though we were really never very close at all. Like, we really weren't close friends. Friends at all, as I said on the reunion. But, like, I loved you and your family, and I'm done with this. I'm done crying over someone that I really don't even know. What's her name again? Doria.

Ronnie Karam (36:17)

What?

Ben Mandelker (36:18)

I don't know. I don't know who this person is. Why am I crying over her coil?

Ronnie Karam (36:22)

I loved you and your Family. I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I'm done. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not. And she storms out of the house just, like, floral fluffing her hair back. And wow. They just kind of walk. They just kind of watch her walking out. Like, what the is wrong with her? And Mose clocks it. She's like, the louder Kyle protests and cries about the situation, the more that I know she's wrong.

Ben Mandelker (36:49)

It's also the mall. I know that it's time to invent something new called tissues. Nico, write that down. Tissues. Give it to people who cry.

Ronnie Karam (36:56)

So Kyle is like, people in tizzy that have issues. Meld those together. How are we gonna do it?

Ben Mandelker (37:03)

Tizzy issues. Tizzy tissues. Nico's like, issue tissues. No, not is your issue tissues.

Ronnie Karam (37:10)

Shut up, ribbon man.

Ben Mandelker (37:14)

I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. By the way, Kyle's been done for, like, 35 minutes on this show. I am not doing this anymore. Everybody has bigger problems, and yet this is all that they can focus on. Okay, Kyle, you're the one who's hyper focused on everyone else's marriages going to. And then the moment it comes comes to you, we're doing something wrong. All of a sudden, it's like, oh, everyone's focusing too hard.

Ronnie Karam (37:34)

She's so hilarious. So I was cracking up this whole scene with Kyle because she's just standing there in front of everybody going, I'm done. I'm leaving. Now I am leaving, but not leaving. And then now she's like, I am leaving. I'm done. But she's still standing there. She's just standing there for the cameras, like, I'm done. So Sutton just rolls her eyes, and Tariq's like, let me go, Erica. Well, she's not gonna listen to you. Oh, let me go, Erica. She will. Erica. She will. So now Erica and Dorit follow Kyle, and everyone else is being nosy, you know? So then the manly hands have been listening to Kyle's meltdown, and one of them goes, that woman was right. She said it would change in a minute, and it did.

Ben Mandelker (38:18)

That woman, excuse you, that is Oscar nominee Jennifer Tilly. And we see 30 minutes earlier. This is the combo for the storm. You're gonna have a lot of memes to send out from this party. I love when staff members, like an slayer staff members make little comments on these shows. It's my favorite thing.

Ronnie Karam (38:38)

Yeah. So they come. Kyle and Erica go to Dorit, and Kyle's like, no, no, it's Disgusting. Every day to be made to feel like this. Are you kidding me right now? Are you kidding me? So then back inside, Bose is like, let's go watch. So it's like. It's so dramatic. I want to watch. She goes, let's go, Sutton. Get up.

Ben Mandelker (38:58)

So they all follow to see what's going on. Kyle's doing. She's back to her classic line, are you kidding me? Drew's like, first of all, take a deep breath. Okay? Let's go for a little walk, okay? She's like, I mean, literally, look at all of us, all right? Look at our age, what we're doing. All you women in your 50s, me at 35. Look at us. We're too old. Or you're too old, and I'm still a little too young for this. That sort of behavior, I mean, honestly.

Ronnie Karam (39:23)

Everybody should be ashamed of themselves. Seriously fucking ridiculous. So Dorit takes her off alone, and she's like, goys, can I have him a newt? So they walk off, and every time Carl runs away, everybody just keeps circling around her to watch her break down more. So funny. So she goes, let's just not talk about this for one second, and let's take a deep breath.

Ben Mandelker (39:46)

So Jen inside, Jennifer's like, you guys, what? You get this. And Erica's like, well, all of it's been building, the whole thing. Like, all of it. She's had enough. And I don't blame her. I mean, I get why Kyle's upset. Her marriage is falling apart. Her life is falling apart. Her relationship with the group is falling apart. The doorknobs out her door are falling apart. At least that's what she says. Why she can't open it. Everything's falling apart.

Ronnie Karam (40:08)

One eyes flittering open and closed again. The veins popping out of her head. One of her hands is bigger than the other one. I mean, the girl's the best. What are you gonna do? Isn't it hilarious?

Ben Mandelker (40:17)

The neon sign in her foyer starting to flicker and die out? Everything's falling apart.

Ronnie Karam (40:23)

And Garcelle's like, does this scream I'm guilty? Yeah, it does.

Ben Mandelker (40:31)

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Ben Mandelker (41:42)

So Doreen is like, kaya, nothing is going to go away just because you walk away from it. She's like, are you sure? Because I've walked away from a lot of things. She's like, I'm going to. Okay. I'm just going through a lot. Okay. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna come for a relaxing day and be accosted every time. We were, you know, like, we were in a good place, and then you said to me, listen, things are not great, and, like, will you do me a favor and can you off contract contract with PK right now? Because if you had said that, like, of course I would have. Okay.

Ronnie Karam (42:10)

Of course.

Ben Mandelker (42:11)

I mean, like, obviously PK is like a brother and you'd be asking me to, like, stop speaking to my own brother. So it's kind of on you for, like, coming between me and my family. But, like, for you, I would have done it person I really don't know very well.

Ronnie Karam (42:22)

And Dorit tells us, wow, coil. It's a little late because the GO would have stopped talking to my husband without having to be easy. A Goyle's Goyle would have done it the right thing right away.

Ben Mandelker (42:37)

One of my biggest issues, if not the biggest, is the way PK would speak to me and the yelling at me.

Ronnie Karam (42:42)

It's just.

Ben Mandelker (42:43)

He's a trigger coil.

Ronnie Karam (42:44)

Yeah, but, like, I can't even picture him, like, I mean, doing that. You know what I mean? Because he's just so, like, whoa. I mean, if there was like a sound effect for PK, like, walking up a beach, it would be like, no, you don't understand.

Ben Mandelker (42:58)

He yells in that voice. It's very terrifying. And I used to call him the monster, like, when the monster comes out. And I protected him for a very long time because he's not that person. He's not, but he can be that person. And he is with me, so he is that person, but he's not that person. So I can't be sued for saying he's that person, but he is that person. He's all the people. He's everyone and no one. He's behind you right now, Kyle. He's right behind you. What? Just kidding.

Ronnie Karam (43:27)

I can't pass a bowl of sour cream without saying, oh, it's a rough life, Kyle. And so Kyle's like. I mean, like, I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I always saw Dorit wearing the pants in that relationship. So, like, it's just hard for me to visualize that dynamic. I mean, is Dorit taking advantage of this moment so she can paint a picture of who PK is and he can't defend himself? I mean, I'm just saying, I've never seen that. So, like, then again, I've never seen this like a dream either. Oh, wow. So now you're just not going to believe her and you're going to take PK side and run off and text PK about this later? I mean, this is like. This is the base of the problem, Kyle. You're on PK's side. You don't even believe that PK was mean. How can you not look at everything that PK's. Look at how PK talks to her on camera and then tell me he's not capable of being a dick off camera. What a. This is so shitty person. What a shitty person. Same.

Ben Mandelker (44:22)

This is shitty. This is from the same person who wants us to believe that when cameras are down, Kathy Hilton is a total, total monster. And yet now when Dorit is saying, by the way, when cameras are down, PK is a monster, and Kyle's like, I haven't seen that. I mean, I don't think Kyle would appreciate us saying that about Kathy. And I believe. I believe Kyle when she says that about. About Kathy. But. But Kyle wanted us all to believe that. She was very adamant, like, you have to trust me on this when it's down. And yet she does not extend the same grace to Doris. But maybe that makes sense because grace time is over, Kyle.

Ronnie Karam (44:54)

Well, it's also, like, kind of believing like a victim of something. Yeah, of course. I was just like, no, I'm on the man's side immediately. You know, it's just fucking disgusting. And let me tell you also utterly not surprising because it's Kyle. So back inside. Eric is getting her feet. Miss, are they still talking? Has anybody checked? Go check. Tilly, go. Go. Look out there. They won't hit you. You're new. Go. You're. You're too rich for Kyle to hit. Go.

Ben Mandelker (45:26)

It's like, okay, I'm going to go look. She's like, well, I'm pretty sure that they are still talking or they're dead. So she goes out there and she just looks and turns around and she's like, yep, sit out there.

Ronnie Karam (45:40)

Well, obviously to read, we're like, both going through a hard time because I don't know if you remember my storyline, but it's a really, really rough. Rougher than yours and my. Like. Like, we're in that place and we're both going through difficult times separately. Mostly because I won't call you because you don't like to speed walk.

Ben Mandelker (45:53)

So I just want to say that, like, in this moment, I just want to remind you I'm going through a really tough time. But I also want to say we're having the best divorce of all time. That's going, like, really well. But right now, I just want to say it's a tough time right now.

Ronnie Karam (46:08)

Because it benefits me my divorce is not going better than yours, but it will be back better than yours tomorrow.

Ben Mandelker (46:16)

Jennifer comes back. She's like, well, they are deep in discussion and Dorita's gesticulating and says like, oh, God, it could be a while.

Ronnie Karam (46:24)

I died. I died. When she's like, oh, God, I'm gonna be here all day.

Ben Mandelker (46:29)

She's gesticulating. She's gonna blow any moment.

Ronnie Karam (46:31)

Well, you know, when you write things like, you know, I'd never share anything. You don't. You know, that just doesn't feel right, Kyle. Just. Well, but you're like, I mean, I'm leaving. PK doesn't talk about. Doesn't think about it like that. She goes, no, but, like, he knows what we're talking about. He knows what we're talking about it. She's. Well, but you would never say. I'd never say it on camera. You wouldn't say. I'd never repeat anything. You just say, I would never say anything on camera. That's what you would say. But I didn't mean it's about you. I mean, it's like, not about you. We're talking about, like, for sure it's not you. Like, it's like lots of other things.

Ben Mandelker (47:04)

But in other words, what he shares with You. You would never share with me. She's like, no, like, that's not. It's not about that, though. It's like, it has nothing to do with you. I don't talk about you. I only just, like, make jokes about you and say, what's going on with Dorit? And then he tells me, but I don't actually talk about you. Like, why, Are you crazy?

Ronnie Karam (47:24)

And she goes, well, I don't talk about you like, he doesn't talk to me about your relationship. And she goes, yes, he does. No, no, he doesn't talk about your relationship with me. Just, yes, he does. Coil, about your. I mean, what are you saying about your relationship? Yes, Coyle, I swear to you, he doesn't. PK shares things with everybody. So Kyle's like, well, I mean, if you know my character and you have a brain. Yeah, both. And you're a fucking liar. You've always been a liar. You're not a good girl's girl. You're not a good friend to anybody. And of course I believe everything that that dodo bird Dorit is saying. I mean, when you're making Dorit 100% correct in an argument, you've really fucked up, Kyle.

Ben Mandelker (47:59)

Yeah, you really fucked up, Kyle. You really fucked up. As far as we can tell, you're in a feud with one of your sisters at any given time. You three of you can never be friends at all together at the exact same time. And what this tells me is that, like, at a certain point, I don't know if I trust any of the sisters with being good friends anyone, if they can't even be good sisters to each other.

Ronnie Karam (48:24)

So she's like, yeah, I mean, we've talked about things in the past, like about Lisa Vanderpump, the show, like, how do you get a chair through a door, etc. But my point was, I know never repeated any of those things that we've discussed, and none of those things have ever been about Dorit. But then we hear Dorit and Dorit's like, PK doesn't pick up the phone to Carl to discuss our issues. But after dinner with Mo, when Carl and Mo used to live together, he'd go back to the house, and I know he would see Kyle, and I know all the conversations they used to have. Coil would talk to him about her issues with me, and PK would talk about his issues with me. And you know how I knew? Because PK told me. Because, of course, PK is one of the biggest gossips on this show. Of Course he came home and was like, here's what Kyle said about you tonight.

Ben Mandelker (49:09)

Yeah. We've been watching this for eight years on this show or however long they've been on, like, from the very first season. It's like, well, by the way, I saw Erica Gerard is under. She was. Or lack thereof, if you know what I'm saying. I mean, like, that was what PK was built off of that about gossiping. So of course he's gossiping. Of course he's trying to get the gossip. Of course he's trying to spread the gossip. So Carl, she. She's like, I don't know if Kyle got so used to, dare I say it, Lying through her teeth with me. That is second nature.

Ronnie Karam (49:38)

So I'm gonna go in and grab my stuff and leave. You didn't prepare to leave. You've been in there threatening to leave for the past 15 minutes. You didn't get your purse.

Ben Mandelker (49:47)

She's still in her bathroom, by the way. She has. It's gonna be a while before she leaves. She has to change back into her comfy clothes. So do. Like. This is one of those moments where I don't believe Coyle is being honest to herself. And I think, gee, it's become almost like she doesn't really know how to be entirely real. Which, by the way, coming from Dorit, that's saying something.

Ronnie Karam (50:08)

Dorit's an lv. Falls off of her forehead. So Kyle. Kyle's like, oh, my God, Dorit has achieved exactly what she wanted. Everyone's talking about this now instead of what she did to me, which is her being. Being a good friend to me. So, like, had to pull something out of her hat, didn't she? When was this effort about her not being a good friend to you about Kathy? Are you still talking about Kathy? Because she said one nice thing to Kathy. You are ridiculous.

Ben Mandelker (50:36)

Yeah. So Erica's like, well, Dorit, how did it go? And she's like, well, she was very, very upset, very emotional. I would like to. I don't know, I would like to see us be able to. Conversations and it not be about one little wrong move or as I like to call them, jabs, and then a little big blow up and then I'm done. I would like to see us rise above it.

Ronnie Karam (50:58)

Well, I think Kyle feels very misunderstood. Like a poor little girl who was never given pizza when it was her time. You know, I get it. I get it, guys. And so Bose is like, why is Erica jumping in to defend Kyle? I mean, when it's. Dorit that deserves our support. Kyle's the one who did wrong. Where's the support for Doritos?

Ben Mandelker (51:17)

You know, everyone, this is a very new type of environment for me, because in the positions I've been in corporate.

Ronnie Karam (51:23)

America, I've been in lots of positions. Girl jobs.

Ben Mandelker (51:27)

Okay, hold on one moment. One moment, everyone. Okay? I look at conflict, and I try to resolve them immediately, because that costs money when you're in the corporate world. Nico doesn't know anything about that. Do you, Nico? No, he's not talking right now. He's under a stack of towels. Anyway, so I look at Dorito, and I see conflict with you. And I see conflict with you. And I see conflict with you. And I see conflict with Kyle. And the common denominator is Dorit. She's like, oh, bitch.

Ronnie Karam (52:00)

Well, it's true. I wonder if there's any delicious coffee in the kitchen.

Ben Mandelker (52:06)

Jennifer's like, I'm just gonna go check to see if Dorit and Kyle are still out on the sidewalk. Like, no, Dorit's right here.

Ronnie Karam (52:15)

Well, I'm gonna say something to Dorit because I really have to do this, because we're not gonna have a thing, but I just want to just. Well, we know we're not friends. To be continued. Okay, well, to be continued. But I want you all to know that we will always be able to sit down and be okay. Agreed. Anything else? No, but I think that's a good start. Am I gonna get a pat on the head? Head or shoulder? Anything. Anybody can congratulate me on that. Thank you so much. Oh, by the way, such yummy food. By the way, everything. Everything was so good. The six course of two peanut M M's in a little cup was delicious.

Ben Mandelker (52:54)

It was actually Dorito said that. He was like, oh, thanks, son. Yummy food, delicious. And then Erica's like, dorit acknowledge what she said. You just said, yummy food. She goes, I said, I agree. And I also agree with myself that this food is very yummy, and I think we should discuss it more.

Ronnie Karam (53:12)

Don't worry. I got it. I got it just fine. Sutton's all simmering over there, like she just gave some soliloquy about love and peace, like you barely did anything. Quiet down over there. So Jennifer Tilly goes, I heard agree. If it matters, I heard agree.

Ben Mandelker (53:30)

I set agree. I said agree. Okay, well, Bosie, this is such a beautiful garden and very handsome men giving us massages. Really lovely afternoon you put together. It's not a success unless someone leaves crying.

Ronnie Karam (53:48)

So then we go to Kyle's, and she's wrapping presents. So she's like, sophia, present, tape, anybody? So she's telling us, I'm still so hurt about what happened at Bose's event. Like, how I, like, cried a lot and then I cried a lot some more, and then I cried and then I had to read a dags. And like, it was so hard. It was like, so hard. And the. The press, the national press, all week it's been about this and they've been saying, oh, yeah, Kyle. All the ladies gang up on Kyle. And Kyle had to take a break from filming and she walks out of a beauty or a massage event this week and she doesn't return for weeks. She's just so upset. And then you watch the show and this is what you're upset about, Kyle, literally nobody did anything to you. Nothing.

Ben Mandelker (54:35)

And now here we are watching you give your daughter two boxes of the shittiest donuts in Los Angeles. Winchells.

Ronnie Karam (54:41)

I mean, come on, seriously, have some self respect.

Ben Mandelker (54:46)

Yeah.

Ronnie Karam (54:46)

So it's Portia's 16th birthday. Everybody. I know, we're all excited. And guess what? They got Porsche. Porsche. And Mo comes and he just keeps going, porsche for Porsche. Porsche for Porsche.

Ben Mandelker (54:59)

Porsche, yeah. So, Porsche, we got you a birthday present. It's a Porsche for Porsche, and you're gonna be able to drive it. I bought it, actually from off the hands of Camille Grammer. She was selling it. It actually used to belong to Frasier. Camille, do you want to say anything about this Porsche?

Ronnie Karam (55:17)

You know what a Porsche is? A car that, like, drives really fast.

Ben Mandelker (55:21)

It's a car. Yeah, it drives really fast. It's a designer car.

Ronnie Karam (55:26)

It's anywhere.

Ben Mandelker (55:27)

Italy actually might be from Germany. It's from Europe. And it's just. It's. It's a beautiful car.

Ronnie Karam (55:32)

Devastating. So also, he's going to be taking Porsche to London. Well, they're. They're going to Paris or something. No, they're going to go to either Madrid or Mallorca, but they're going to stop off at London to pick up Porsche's friends. And Fer's like, oh, my God, are you guys going to, like, party together? He's like, yeah, who? Me and Porsche? Of course. That's the whole point. Listen, I lost one child, but I gained a whole new. A whole new young adult's dating pool.

Ben Mandelker (55:59)

So Kyle looks so jealous and she's really upset that she doesn't get to go on this trip. And she's like. So then they. Yes, they go out, they show the car and everything. And of course, I'm sure we're all thinking, like, why are they giving this? How much do those. Those Porsche Cayennes cost? Probably like, it's a lot, right?

Ronnie Karam (56:18)

Was it a Cayenne? I couldn't tell if it was a Cayenne or the May can or whatever those are called, Macon.

Ben Mandelker (56:25)

I don't know.

Ronnie Karam (56:25)

The Cayenne are expensive as. Huh, let's see.

Ben Mandelker (56:29)

Porsche suv. There's another type of Porsche suv.

Ronnie Karam (56:32)

Yeah, there's a Cayenne, the Macan and the. I don't know, I think the Cayenne's the bigger one. The Macan's the smaller one, whatever it is.

Ben Mandelker (56:42)

And then there's one in a Honda Civic, if you ask me. Come on, now.

Ronnie Karam (56:48)

And then we see clips of the happy family and people, other kids getting their cars and Christmases, and Carl's like, it's just really strange for me. And then they all pile in to take a ride in Porsche's new car. And then we go to Garcelle's beach house. My life is great.

Ben Mandelker (57:08)

Sorry, I'm still scrolling through all the flashbacks of the excessive gifts that Colin Ricio have given their children. It's rich. She's rich. Okay, so Garcelle is trying to fix a chandelier, and she winds up breaking it because she just decides to snip off parts of it and all the seashells fall off. She's like, oh, no, no, no. And Sutton shows up. Now, this is a true friend, because it's not like driving from Bel Air to a beach house in Oxnard is like a 10 minute drive. That's. That's an hour at least, if not 90 minutes.

Ronnie Karam (57:41)

Yeah, so she comes over and she brings her little dog, June Carter cash. And you know, the dogs are playing and stuff, and so they start talking about Kyle storming out of the party, and we see clips of it. I'm done with this. I mean, like, I'm so done. Oh, can I have a glass of wine? Okay, yeah, I'll just have it right here. That was good. I'm done. Stop looking at me. Stop talking to me. Stop touching me.

Ben Mandelker (58:08)

You know what? This is real dumb. The text gets riled up every time. You know, the text thing feels like it's a lot more than it needs to be. Like, what do they say? Thou protest too much? What's the other thing they say?

Ronnie Karam (58:22)

No, yeah, that's not the saying, but nice try. And you're an admin. Come on, ma'am. You missed the. You missed the doss. So Sutton's like, well, the bigger part now for me is that she thinks it's okay to storm out and leave this group because she thinks she's above it, and I do not appreciate that. And I'm gonna talk to her about this because no one is above this. Like, you have stormed out more than anybody. But that's kind of her point is that when she storms out, she gets in trouble. And then we see a clip of her storming out of Magic Mike and Carl, being like, you can't just be offended and just walk away sudden. Like. Like, just like. No, she said you can just be offended and walk away, Sutton. I mean, instead of making a big scene, just. But what did I do? I walked away. And now you're yelling at me, just, well, yeah, but you're walking away was, like, a little bit excessive. And then Kyle makes three walkouts in one episode.

Ben Mandelker (59:21)

Yeah, exactly. So. So Sutton's like, well, now, wait a minute. Like, how come you get to act like that? You get to leave, you get to get to get to cry, you get to be all crazy. But if I do that, that's not allowed. You know, she was so inconsiderate. And Garcelle's like, and she tried to shame us, saying, shame on you, ladies. At our age. Doesn't you know age is a four letter word in Beverly Hills?

Ronnie Karam (59:45)

Well, I certain strike. I'm not gonna bow down at the altar of God.

Ben Mandelker (59:57)

And now Erica goes over to a place called Biologique Recherche, which is like, research. I don't know, like, research. Bio. I don't know. Whatever it is.

Ronnie Karam (60:07)

Biological research.

Ben Mandelker (60:09)

Biological research. This is. Well, I'm intrigued to see what these scientists are going to find.

Ronnie Karam (60:15)

Like, hi there, I'm Erica. Could you tell me what whales are made out of? Didn't think so. I got a free ice cream, and.

Ben Mandelker (60:25)

She'S filling out a form, and it says, have you. Okay, let's see what this says. Have you undergone any cosmetic surgery? If yes, specify. Not enough space. Not enough space.

Ronnie Karam (60:38)

So Dorit comes and Erica's like, well, we are supposed to relax, but that didn't happen. So here we are. So they go get some facials, and Dorit's like, you're coming. The last few months, I've been looking in the mirror going, o. Stress just does not. I mean, it takes a tube on your face.

Ben Mandelker (61:01)

You know what they say? That if you say Candyman three times, a man comes into your mirror, turns out it's PK I found out the hard way, God be Careful looking at yourself in the mirror when you're going through hard times.

Ronnie Karam (61:12)

He's a horrible monster. He looks in your mirror, crawls through it, and eats all the candy in your house.

Ben Mandelker (61:18)

And then before he slits your throat, he looks you in the face and goes, ladies and gentlemen, Berlin. Like that supposed to help the situation?

Ronnie Karam (61:26)

Every breath I take. I didn't mean it, actually. I didn't even know I had that power. Go away, Berlin.

Ben Mandelker (61:35)

They're the only band that shows up in your mirror unasked for. So.

Ronnie Karam (61:41)

So she's telling us, listen, I love Erica. And I've come to realize through everything that I don't need a lot of friends. I just need the right France. So when I would was at Bose's wellness party with all my friends, her not sticking up for me, or at least saying coil, even in private, that wasn't very cool. That's hurtful. Coil. And so she's like, so, lyrica, let's chit chat. Let's chit chat for a bit.

Ben Mandelker (62:09)

Yeah. So she's like, yesterday was intense. Is this the part that you just read? Yesterday was intense. It was very. Too much. Is that what you just read? Was that what I just recited out loud?

Ronnie Karam (62:18)

I don't remember. Well, yesterday. Yes, you're correct. You're on the correct line, Ben, Go ahead.

Ben Mandelker (62:25)

Well, if you're going to ask him about yesterday, let me tell you something. Yesterday was intense. I don't know if you saw, but I was sitting in the sun and then I moved to the shade.

Ronnie Karam (62:35)

I think Coyle was suggesting what it means, but I think it's a coop out. Don't bring up cops around me. I said coop out. I don't like cops. Well, I'm just saying it was a coop out. All right, it was a coop out. That's fine. I can deal with chickens. They give us eggs. Well, when she said, I will never repeat what we talk about or repeat what we talk about, this is plain and simple about me and nothing else. Nothing else.

Ben Mandelker (63:03)

You really think that? Well, I don't believe for a second that you don't believe that. Well, you want me to be truthful. Yes, I want you to be truthful. Well, it could be played out in both ways, Dorit. What do you mean it could be played out and played out? Well, it could be as innocuous as. I would never talk about anything we've discussed.

Ronnie Karam (63:23)

But she's talking to my husband. What do you think she's talking about? Well, it's presumed that it's you, but I don't know for sure. I mean, what the do I know? You know, Eureka, this is not a court of law, thankfully for you. You're damn right. You're damn right on that one, girlfriend. But the point is, I'm not gonna jump to assumptions. I need more proof. I need more proof.

Ben Mandelker (63:44)

I'm not gonna jump to assumptions. So therefore, I'm just gonna assume that Kyle is innocent.

Ronnie Karam (63:50)

Exactly. Exactly. So she's like, do. We may not be proof, but I am. I do. Because, listen, whatever you think, I was married to a trial lawyer for over 20 years, and guess what?

Ben Mandelker (64:00)

What?

Ronnie Karam (64:00)

He taught me a few things. You gotta have proof. Erica, have you seen my pocketbook? I told you I was married to a lawyer. I'm the victim. Even better.

Ben Mandelker (64:11)

Listen, I'm. I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on tv, and. Actually, that's not true. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm in a musical where there is a lawyer. And on top of that, I used to be married to a lawyer. And on top of that, I love watching Judge Judy. So I know, what, a thing or two about the law.

Ronnie Karam (64:25)

Okay? I mean, look, of course it sounds suspicious. So what? I'm choosing to believe my friend that I've known for a decade, she's scary, and I'm not gonna assume the worst. It was done to me, and I don't like it. Remember when you assume things about me to me? Erica, have you taken me? Lipstick. Stealing lipstick. Costly. Stealing lipstick from a victim. Priceless. Erica, why are you doing American Express commercials?

Ben Mandelker (64:53)

MasterCard. You dumb. Okay, but look, I know you. You're very shrewd, you're very smart. But I think when it comes to coil, I don't think you call it like you see it. I think you tend to feel like you need to protect her. She was like, what? What are you talking about? Why would I need to protect her? Hold on one second. Yes, Kyle, I would love to go on a yacht with you. Okay. Anyway, what were you saying?

Ronnie Karam (65:14)

Erica's defense of Coil is actually perplexing. I know Kyle is a friend of her, but so am I. And I've never, never knew Erica to be afraid of anyone. But when it comes to Coyle, there's no other way to put it. She's skeep for me.

Ben Mandelker (65:31)

Yesterday, it felt not nice when I heard you say over and over, coyle did nothing wrong. And then we have flashbacks of Erica saying, I know you did nothing wrong. You did nothing wrong, Carl. You did nothing wrong, girl. So Dorit's like, are you saying she did nothing wrong? Like, you're so sure of it. You're not so sure of that, are you, though?

Ronnie Karam (65:52)

I don't know. I feel like we need to bow out of both these friendships. You guys can work it out. I'm done with this. You know, some I don't. I can't have these kind of conversations where I have to side with either one of you. I'm not gonna do it. Well, I don't want you to side with me. I want you to call it like you see it. Well, I see both ways. I just said that. I mean, who gives a. Really? At the end of the day, at least we're not talking about the earrings. So just keep fighting YouTube.

Ben Mandelker (66:14)

I died of being in the middle. I don't need to be in the middle. These two women need to work out their problems together. Love you both. You guys take it from here.

Ronnie Karam (66:23)

Well, let me ask you a question. If you knew it was true, are you going to be okay with it? I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. God damn it. God, you ruined the facial. My Lawrence Martin Lawrence is gonna try and cover me with a ficus next time he comes over.

Ben Mandelker (66:40)

And that's where it ends. So we're gonna see. But I think that Kyle was cornered and she had a little tantrum. So that way she could be like, you don't know how hard it is for me right now. And then she was able to storm out and not really face the. Face the fire.

Ronnie Karam (66:56)

Yeah. Exhausting, but hilarious. I mean, I'm loving the season of Kyle. Just trying to storm out and cry in every episode. It's so fun.

Ben Mandelker (67:03)

It was so fun.

Ronnie Karam (67:04)

Especially with her twitching and her, like, lips all wonky from whatever work she just got done. You should know better to get this work done when you're filming. What the hell? But, yeah, it's a fun season.

Ben Mandelker (67:15)

Yeah. Well, thanks everyone for being here and see a bunch of you in San Francisco and San Diego and next week. We still got some Southern charm coming up this week, so stay tuned. And again, Salt Lake City is going to be coming out this weekend after we record up in San Francisco and San Diego. Thanks, everyone.

Ronnie Karam (67:35)

Bye.

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