#2703  RHOSLC S5E17: Against All Todds - Live from SD

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode Summary Episode: #2703 
Title: RHOSLC S5E17: Against All Todds - Live from SD
Release Date: January 26, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

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Introduction: Live from San Diego

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam kick off the episode live from San Diego, celebrating their podcast's birthday. They share personal updates about home renovations, including Ben's new chairs from Wayfair and Ronnie's newly designed deck furnished with stunning lounger chairs from the same retailer.

Notable Quote:
Ben Mandelker (04:00): "I am actually in the process of trying to revamp this room that I'm sitting in right now where I record the podcast..."
Ronnie Karam (04:04): "I Virgo out in the new year and it feels so, so good."

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Bravo Drama and Ramona Singer's Twitter Controversy

The hosts delve into recent happenings in the Bravo universe, focusing on Ramona Singer's peculiar activity on Twitter. It was revealed that Ramona's Twitter account was purchased by Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock. Ben and Ronnie humorously speculate on the implications of this acquisition, questioning the authenticity and motives behind Ramona's revamped social media presence.

Notable Quotes:
Ronnie Karam (05:16): "Ramona sold her Twitter to the CEO of BlackRock. BlackRock."
Ben Mandelker (05:37): "There’s an evil one. Blackwater."
Ronnie Karam (06:11): "I like to think it’s Blackstone, though, or Blackwater, who’s the one that, like, hired the private armies to go into Afghanistan and stuff."

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The Traitors and Tom Sandoval’s Antics

Transitioning from Bravo, Ben and Ronnie discuss "The Traitors," highlighting Tom Sandoval's notorious behavior on the show. They laugh over his exaggerated reactions, including pit stains and questionable wardrobe choices, attributing his antics to overexertion and personal issues.

Notable Quotes:
Ben Mandelker (13:44): "But it turns out there was a lot more to the story behind those pit stains."
Ronnie Karam (14:15): "You had to stop doing coke for two days, Tom. Been there."
Ben Mandelker (15:09): "You could say, 'Apparently, there is a personality in there.'"

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Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Reunion Part 1A

The core of the episode centers around the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) Reunion Part 1A. Ben and Ronnie dissect the intense drama between cast members, focusing on the fallout between Bronwyn Newport and Lisa Barlow.

Bronwyn vs. Lisa: The Miscarriage Controversy

Bronwyn confronts Lisa about allegations that Lisa implied Bronwyn faked her miscarriage. The hosts analyze the emotional exchanges, emphasizing Bronwyn's frustration and Lisa's defensive stance. They highlight how this conflict has strained relationships within the group.

Notable Quotes:
Bronwyn Newport (34:52): "Something has gone on between Lisa and I. Something's not right here."
Lisa Barlow (36:31): "I was just trying to unravel what that had been..."
Ronnie Karam (43:40): "My son is in Bogota. Do you know how hard it is to get a haircut in Bogota?"

Heather’s Mediation Attempts

Heather attempts to mediate the conflict, urging Lisa to apologize. Ben and Ronnie critique Heather's approach, pointing out inconsistencies and the perceived lack of genuine remorse from Lisa.

Notable Quotes:
Heather (41:28): "I could have said what I wanted to say, but there's so many chime ins from everybody..."
Ben Mandelker (52:10): "I think it was just a sad miss. But I understand both perspectives."

Character Dynamics and Host Commentary

The hosts provide insightful and humorous commentary on the interactions, particularly focusing on Lisa's behavior and her strained friendships. They discuss Lisa's loyalty, or lack thereof, and Bronwyn's strategic confrontations during the reunion.

Notable Quotes:
Ronnie Karam (56:10): "That's why Bronwyn goes, you could at least start with, 'I hurt your daughter.'"
Ben Mandelker (55:27): "I think that's how it works. So it's a metaphor."

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Husbands Join the Reunion Drama

In a comedic turn, the husbands of the RHOSLC cast members make appearances, contributing to the chaos. Ben and Ronnie mock the husbands' limited roles and their often oblivious participation in the spats.

Notable Quotes:
Ronnie Karam (66:33): "Well, look, it's just fun. It's like turning on George Burns..."
Ben Mandelker (80:43): "He doesn’t deserve it."

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Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the intense emotions and unresolved tensions showcased in the RHOSLC Reunion. They express anticipation for future episodes and teasing additional drama to come.

Notable Quotes:
Ronnie Karam (77:07): "I love Bronwyn. I have to say, to me, there's no qualifications about it."
Ben Mandelker (82:13): "It's sunk a ship."

Conclusion:
Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of the RHOSLC Reunion, highlighting key conflicts, character dynamics, and the overall drama that unfolds. Their witty banter and insightful commentary provide listeners with a vivid recap, making it accessible and engaging even for those who haven't watched the episode.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

After the holiday hustle. There's nothing like giving your home a little tlc, right, Ronnie?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh man. I go through every closet, I go through every bedroom. I Virgo out in the new year and it feels so, so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I can tell you something. I am actually in the process of trying to revamp this room that I'm sitting in right now where I record the podcast and I want to get some chairs and I am going to go to Wayfair to get it done.

[Ronnie Karam]

I actually just did that. I just designed my deck and was finishing it all up and I actually got most of my stuff on Wayfair. I got these amazing, huge deck like lounger chairs. They look stunningly gorgeous. I mean, they look fantastic and I got them for an amazing price.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hello, San Diego.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello.

[Ronnie Karam]

How are you guys? Looking good out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Looking good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you like our plant work?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know we grew these ourselves. We've been waiting two years to debut them. They're beautiful.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're nature bitches.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. These plants are mother icon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mother motherfuckers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Honestly, more interesting than Roni. Let's be honest.

[Ronnie Karam]

We found the perfect reboot cast for Roni.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, everyone. So nice to be back in San Diego for our birthday.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, look at all the gorgeousness out there. There. I've got friends here. I've got Brian.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Alex.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thanks for being here. So we did the first half of the Salt Lake City reunion yesterday. So today we're going to do the second half because, you know, we need to talk about this for 10 hours.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

But first we wanted to start with some Bravo stuff. Shit's been going on in the Bravo world. You know, Ramona singer, I don't know if she's hurting for money or what's wrong with this lady, but she so much. Somebody said yes. Ramona sold her Twitter to the CEO of BlackRock. BlackRock.

[Ben Mandelker]

Black. So, okay, so basically, Stone or Blackrock.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's an evil one. Blackwater.

[Ben Mandelker]

Blackwater is evil. Blackrock is just like standard Meh. Like, maybe not the best, but they. I mean, they're probably fine. I don't know. Like, I'm turning into Bethany. Like, I don't know. Like, maybe they're good.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's the matter? What's happening? They're like an investment company. Like, what's the deal? So BlackRock is like an investment company, whatever. And the CEO is named Larry Fink. And someone, I think maybe it was Yolanda Pfister or maybe someone noticed that they were following for some reason the CEO of BlackRock. Like, why would you suddenly be following them?

[Ronnie Karam]

I like to think it's Blackstone, though, or Blackwater, who's the one that's, like, hired the private armies to go into Afghanistan and stuff. Dick Cheney. I like to think it's that. You better watch out, Afghanistan. I'm coming for you, bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? I sold my Twitter to the Taliban. Okay, fair. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry. Okay. But beyond Ramona being a dingbat, what the fuck is wrong with us as Bravo fans that we're still scrolling through Ramona's Twitter that deeply? That we realized that months ago, this guy. This guy's account was Ramona's account.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, so what's funny, the reason why we're bringing this up is because this guy Larry Fink bought Ramona's feed, but then just. Just started adding to it, like, as Larry Fink, but didn't get rid of the backlog.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you got to clean the account, Larry.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the first.

[Ronnie Karam]

How are you the CEO of thing? You know, Larry has an AOL account. You know, he does.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, like, the first few posts are very, like, corporate CEO. Like, there. Here's a regram that says, oh, the stock pickers guide to 2025. Like, here's some news. And another thing is, like, long term bond yields have jumped as markets have priced out of central bank rate cuts. And, oh, surging bond yields around the globe represent a big shift in what's going on with, you know, investment funds, et cetera.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Here's how to make a vodka soda, okay? It's my own recipe. You get a glass, you put some ice in it, then you put some vodka in it, then you put some soda in it. That's my favorite Ramona video of all time.

[Ben Mandelker]

It literally transitions from a tweet that says, rob Goldstein recently joined Julie Siegel for an episode of A Little Mag's conversation about BlackRock's journey over the past 30 years. And the next tweet is, like, so excited for the launch of Turtle Time with Ramona and Avery. We get into the details of reality TV dating and what we're up to now, which is really funny if you just imagine that Avery is hosting a podcast with Larry Fink of BlackRock talking called turtle Time.

[Ronnie Karam]

It goes so far back. One of them's like, you bitch, Luann. I don't know why you think you can talk to me like that, like Larry.

[Ben Mandelker]

But then there's also. Imagine if it was really just Ramona trying out a new Persona. She's like, whoa, Everyone, stocks and bonds, okay? It's a bear market. Take your money out the stocks and put it into bonds, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

I never noticed Ramona's Twitter patter was always like. Because, you know, in real life on the show. In the real life on the show, you know what I mean? She'd be like, let's face it, like, she would say that a lot or I'm sorry, but her Twitter patter is nothing like. Nothing like just hanging with a girlfriend and laughing. Okay? Nothing like the fall. Nothing like the sunset, Saratoga Beach.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like this one. Again, it says, larry Fink is a tweet, and then time flies, but memories last forever. And it's like, it's a photo of season one. Roni. Like, I just. I love that he's sending out photos of Alex McCord to, like, you know, you know, the board. So turns out there were other CEOs that did the same thing. So I was actually looking at Bill Gates feed, and so the first few are, like, normal. It's like, hey, thank you for your warm welcome during my visit to Ethiopia. I'm inspired by your, like, insightful decisions on Ethiopia's development progress. But then the very next tweet is like, cabaret is back, baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've never found a people with a better diet. Thank you so much for everything you've given us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love you. Love for sale.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was trying to remember Luann's song from our recaps. Love for Sale. Humding rabid Love for sale.

[Ben Mandelker]

The first JP Morgan. If you go on the JP Morgan official site, the first tweet says, reports 4Q24 net income of $14 billion in EPS of 4.8. I mean, it's so financial. And then the very next tweet is like, you better back it up, bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wanted to say something about the stock market. All right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sometimes you put your money.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sometimes you get out. Sometimes you try market America.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're the back it up bitch. Yes. You know, is you investing in the markets, you know? You know, write it, regret it, Invest it. Forget it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not texting. I'm going through our notes on the phone. I'm just sitting up here on my phone. Hi, Mom. Sorry I didn't text you back today. So let's see this other thing. Vanderpump Rules star Tom Sandoval.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is good, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Isn'T it his karma just to show up with pit stains down to his love handles.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know who here is watching. Who's watching the traders, Right? Okay, we're not gonna do any spoilers, but, like, first.

[Ronnie Karam]

They'Ve all been murdered.

[Ben Mandelker]

The most inept traitors of all time. But however, all I want right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just an Alan outfit. He's like, hello, welcome to the Traitors.

[Ben Mandelker]

All I've been saying all day long is, Bob, the Drake Queen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bob, Bob, the Drake Queen said, what's wrong with that lady? I love that lady Carolyn. I feel like they're betrayed. It's like Bobcat Goldthwaite and swallow the frog.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought Rob was the problem, and now I am Dolores.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to hear her do, like, the Pledge of Allegiance. Like, I pledge allegiance. Like, did you do heroin in your throat? Like, where did you do it? Where were you sticking that needle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bob the Drag Queen? There was something on Twitter today where he was talking about being on the set of the Traitors and how he went up to Carolyn and said, well, you know, you and I don't have kids. And Carolyn said, my son is dead. And he was horrified and mortified and he was like, oh, my God. He cried.

[Ronnie Karam]

So triggered.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he was like, so upset. So he was like, oh, my God, I feel like such an asshole. So we went up to Dolores and Dolores says, no. She said, my son. My. My son is 10. And just imagine how that all so dark.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it's how she said it too, because, you know, she's like, actually, my son is like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

My son is red. You're like, oh, my God. Sorry. So anyway, Tom Sandoval. So one of the greatest images of this season of the Traitors is Tom Sandoval standing at breakfast with enormous pit stains. So he has finally something to say about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I was in the mercy of the wardrobe department, dude. Which, by the way, they did a great job. You can't say that right after you blame them for everything in your life. Tomorrow, the day that. That day, they gave me the thickest wool sweater I've ever worn. And, man, that scene. I was sweating my ass off. It was on there. I'm only human. I Was like, did you just get caught cheating on your girlfriend again? Like, why are you, why are you whipping that one? I'm only human, dude.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it turns out there was a lot more to the story behind those pit stains. He says, man, dude, in that video I looked like Roth. I also felt like shit. I mean, I just like had over like 24 hours of travel, like an ate over layover, which made my immune system go to shit and cause like domino problems. And also Ariana didn't want to have sex with me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You had to stop doing coke for two days, Tom. Been there. Okay? Just sweat it out for a week first and then join us when you're done. Jesus Christ. There was a peacock in that house. He snorted it. He was trying to, trying to come back out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tom Sandoval on the Traitors is hilarious because he's already so wigged out in a non traitor's environment. So like now putting him in a space with accusations, like, literally he's like behind every corner, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's always some woman. Who's the, who's the traitor? Have you noticed everybody he's come up with, he's like, it's Chris Shell.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why She's a Bitchell's like, I'm really sorry, but I, I read energies really well and I really am sorry. I'm like, okay, come on, Chrishell Spinel.

[Ronnie Karam]

And every time they cut to Tom Sandoval, this is his face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor Rob. Well, I'm not going to say anymore. I'm not gonna say anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'll spoil it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not spoiling anything. I'm just saying congrats to Robin on a nice reminder that there is a personality in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So my favorite character from the Traitors who got kicked off immediately, of course, spoiler alert. I mean, that's in the beginning. So sorry. If you're not caught up, it's your bad. Was Chanel from Real Housewives of Dubai. She got kicked off, which was so sad because she's been so funny in all the interviews after she's been kicked off. In this one, the traitor Chanel Ayan didn't know what Survivor was does she thought that castmates battled illness and drought. This is her quote. I've survived malaria, typhoid, Ebola, a drought, like everything. So I was like, what have you survived?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is a true quote.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Derek said, I lost 40 pounds.

[Ben Mandelker]

Basic, basic. Oh my goodness. I love Chanel. And for next season, I demand that Chanel and Dorinda are immediately reinstated on the show. Immediately.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bring Chanel somewhere else. She'll come to some other stuff. Put her on Roni. Let her take care of those. Honestly, let her take care of Aaron.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Chanel on Roni would be a dream.

[Ronnie Karam]

So are you ready to get in?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You want to do the opening?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you guys ready?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like the welcome.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. Welcome. Well, they know. They're Watch what Crappins. We've been out here 15 minutes. Hello, and welcome to Watch what Crappins, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on yor Brahms. All right, so here we go. It's a big one. You guys also husbands? Shut up. I don't care. Okay. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. Stop your bitching, okay? Your wife owes you nothing for this. I'm kidding. There are actually some hot husbands. I'm sorry. That's how I'm abusive to hot people. So this gets dark, as many episodes do. You'll survive it, okay? It'll be okay. We're just kidding. We're gonna try not to make fun of terrible things, but we did do the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills episode when they went to the Holocaust museum and a comedy club, and it worked out great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we just recapped Roni this week.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, you know, so just come along for the ride.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have fun. You're not saying it so you can laugh.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one will judge you if you laugh.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're not going to hell.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're going to hell.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so. Previously on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Reunion Part 1A. A log said that I got my jewelry from Alibama, and I. I said, wait a minute, something's fishy here. And then I took a tuna fish sandwich out of my glove compartment and I threw it away. There was a story in a log. Lisa Barlow has a fireplace. Lisa must be talking to logs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whitney, it was a blog, not a log.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop accusing me of being a horrible person. My son is in Bogota. Do you know how hard it is to get a haircut in Bogota? He has to go to Supercuts in Spanish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me tell you, when I told America that your jewelry was aluminum dog poop and borrowed from China, I was just trying to help you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sometimes in life, we talk to friends. Sometimes in life, we talk to family. Sometimes in life, we talk to logs. But the point is, friendship is like proof. Friendship is like screenshots. Friendship is like timeline. Friendship is like receipts.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am Greek. Meredith called me a backup dancer for Jen Shaw.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were a backup dancer. You were a backup dancer for Jen Shaw's WAP video.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am a solo artist. I am nobody's backup video. Baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are literally dancing backup for wap.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even know what a WAP is.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's my new MLM with Justin White Ass people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, guys, guys. WAP stands for Wendy's, Arby's, Popeyes.

[Ronnie Karam]

It stands for with seats A off pine line.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angie, you are a backup dancer and I'm going to prove it. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

Nuh.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you liked it then you showed up on a ring on it if you liked it then you showed up on a ring on it if you liked it then you showed up on a ring on a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Damn it, you got me that time, Meredith. And scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

And scene.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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Join Wondri in the Wondry app or in Apple podcasts. All right, all right. I want to move on. New housewife Bronwyn Newport may as well have walked into the group on a Runway rocking the same heart shaped coat owned by Rihanna. Ha ha ha. And whether she was decked out a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Couture or in a hot dog costume.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was never afraid to be frank because it's a hot dog with old new friends. So let's catch up and I hope you're all sitting on your buns because we're gonna relish this clip package.

[Ronnie Karam]

We almost didn't show this package because it's put us in a real pickle, but here we go. So we see the package and it's Bronwyn's story. Walking into a restaurant in a bikini and boots in the dead of winter. And Lisa going, I met Bronwyn last seven. At least seven years ago. Like, I don't know how many years I've kind of known her. Maybe I known her. Maybe I'm her best friend. Who knows? But you know what? She loves her fashion.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see all the fashion, we see all the clothes. And then we see that scene of Bronwyn kind of like making fun of Whitney where she's like, you want to see a healed Whitney? I mean, did you practice that in the mirror at home? Am I right? We're all girlfriends here, right? Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel very wary of people who have such harsh opinions of people that they've never even met. I was like, oh, girl, no, don't sit at our table.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I met Bronwyn and she was just so sweet and supportive.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we get Heather calling out Bronwyn, being like, wait a minute, I was with Whitney. And you said you were supportive of her, but you were team fucking Lisa. And you were saying horrible things about Whitney. That's it. No one shoot with her again. Call the FBI.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see Bronwyn now Bronwyn and Heather, like, Heather's come over to Bronwyn's house, and Bronwyn's like, well, we're doing this big trip, and I don't know if you and I are really in A place for you to come onto the trip right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not really sure. I think, you know, I will take accountability for the light things that I said, and I need you to take accountability. If you can't take the accountability, then I don't know if you can win a trip.

[Ronnie Karam]

As if it's not hurtful being disinvited from a trip. If that's not hurtful enough. You're being disinvited by a lady who looks like this in her earrings. She's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

For those listening at home, Ronnie is burying his face into a fake fern.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her earrings are like little monster arms just hanging off her ear all the way down to her shoulder.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think the probably the biggest insult for Heather is her saying, I am the star of this show, and I'm being disinvited from the cast trip by a woman who has piles of dog shit all over her house.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Yeah, that's how it works. So it's a metaphor. Bronwyn's like, yeah, I just don't know if it's the place for you to come. And Heather's like, what? And I'm here to sing for my supper. Fine. Bring in the choir. It's just all these homely rejects in Salt Lake City, like, shuffle in away in a manger. All right, Chunk, leave. You can't remember the lyrics.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just go, that is so funny that she said that. I'm here to sing for my supper. It was, like, all over the season. And literally the only one who has made people literally sing on this show to get a place on something is Heather.

[Ronnie Karam]

I need that choir storyline back. I heard that Heather was getting a spin off of the beauty lab, which I can't imagine being great just because, I mean, I know that, like, we're all into Mormons right now, you know? I guess, like, that's our thing, right? Like, the secret lives of Mormon wives and sold on slc.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're like, oh, my God, the puritanical repression. Delicious. I can't wait to watch. So titillating. And I watch them all, so I get it. I'm like, that guy is so repressed. I love it. I date him. But beauty Lab? I don't know. I haven't seen a lot of personality coming out of there. I would like to see the choir, because those are the people in Salt Lake City. Those are the people who got kicked out of, like, everywhere for everything. And it wasn't just for being gay. It was, like, for lots of reasons. It was like that's the guy who can't play. Stop playing with his wienas. You know, like your elbow skin. He can't stop playing with his wienas at the bus stop. He got arrested. Heather's like, come to my choir. Follow them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I fully support that as a spin off Heather's choir. They're just doing gigs at, like, the UPS store.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like, overnight delivery store.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry, we don't take that there. You'll have to take it to Whole Foods instead. Fuck off, UPS store. I've had it with you. Sorry. I went to a real Amazon spiral there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it got dark here.

[Ronnie Karam]

10 options of where to return something. Amazon. That's our boss. Okay, so then we go to the hot dub scene on that couple's trip that Heather got disinvited from. And Bronwyn's like, my earrings need to go to the bathroom. They're actually living. So I'll be right back, girls. I'll be right back. And she leaves. And Lisa's like, oh, my God, we should go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Heather. We miss you. Cut to Bronwyn going, it was a little weird that I went to the bathroom. You guys called Heather. It was a little weird. Yeah. But it's because we missed her. We kind of like. We missed her more than we enjoy seeing you here presently. So you guys remember. Remember when I said remember just to prove that we missed her? I was like, hey, guys, remember? I was like, hi, Heather. We miss you. Remember?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, really, Heather is talking shit for me about talking shit about someone else, and I'm trying to fix it. Lisa, that's the kind of friend that you are. That's the kind of friend that you wanna be involved. Oh, well, when it's me and somebody else, it's my responsibility to work it out. But when it's you and somebody else, it's my responsibility to ride your dick like it's my job.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a great moment. Great moment. All right, let's start with the riding the dicks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mike, it's your job. Today's bartender, Gandhi, loves having boys that he's fucked as those bartenders. My God. I was watching it the other day, and he's like, here's my trainer, Franz. And I was just like, franz has had that wiener inside of him. That's all I could think the whole time. I was like, yes, Franz. I was trying to picture out, like, how it worked out on the couch.

[Ben Mandelker]

It'll be interesting to see who shows up as bartenders this week. So Anyway, Lisa's like. She's like, as long as it takes to dance.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's wrong with you? So Andy's like, so I want to start with your friendship with Lisa. You recently said in an interview that you were on a timeout. When was the last time you spoke? As long as it takes to digest a salad. That literally never happens. Vegetables are dissolved, disgusting. There I sat at.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Lisa, you recently said in an interview that you were done recommending friends. I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can you blame the woman? My God, look at everybody she's brought on there. She brought on Angie Harrington and she's like, lisa swallows gallons of jizz to get jazz tickets.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angie Harrington also stole Lisa's caterers, so never forget that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She stole her what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Caterers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yes. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

The biggest offense of all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you reckon. Do you regret recommending Bronwyn for the show?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. And this is where we know she's lying, but she doesn't want to get yelled at again because her eyes just start going blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. Love that, love that, love that, love that, love that, love that. So she's like, no, I don't regret recommending Bronwyn at all, but I think I'm done recommending people. I mean, I'm in transplant to Utah. And then she gets her cutesy voice and she's like, I'm in transplant to Utah. Like, have the locals do it. You know what I mean? The natives. Let the natives take. You should let the natives take over. God knows they deserve it. I'd watch that show, too. Give them a show. We saw it a little bit when they went to that Bathtub Springs. No, where did they go? Where did they go? You guys know what I mean, though, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

The salts, the salt place.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, they went somewhere where I think we were all generally pretty horrified. They're like, look, it's a native. Do your thing. Do you have any feathers?

[Ben Mandelker]

Put the feather.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was like, oh, this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa. Lisa. And he's like, well, who did you recommend? Lisa. It goes way back. It started with Heather, and then through Heather came Whitney and then Angie and then Jenny and then Bronwan and then John. He actually should be a cast member, but he's still outside parking the car.

[Ronnie Karam]

There was a fight going on on Twitter between Lisa, literally Lisa and everybody. If you say anything about Lisa, she'll find your ass and be like, whatever, stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's going to go the distance.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm going to go this, Sean. But she got in a fight with, like, a Mary Cosby fan account that said, like, I read that book Diamonds, and it even says that Mary got this show started. So whatever. Lisa Barlow. And then Lisa's like, actually, I'm so sick of answering this question from you. So here's the thing. I did start this show, and I'm the center of the show, and everything's about. So it's funny that he brought it up here to make her answer again.

[Ben Mandelker]

And actually, Lisa. It was actually really funny. Cause Lisa was trying to get Angie. Angie K. On earlier, and she literally says she was trying to get Angie K. On because she goes, because I was gonna get a shampoo bowl from Angie.

[Ronnie Karam]

What is a shampoo bowl?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what a shampoo bowl is. Is it just a bowl that you put your shampoo in? It's a beauty salon. Oh. Oh, you go to the beauty salon and they do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, that's where they wash your hair in it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I thought it was like, a bowl that you arrange your shampoo in. Oh, my God. I'm about to get a free bowl. Put her on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Our shampoo bowl when I was a kid was just the sink. My mom would just, like, turn us upside down and start using that little sprayer function.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Angie's like, all right, well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Table.

[Ben Mandelker]

From cloth says, hey, Bronwyn, was it disappointing for you to come on the show as Lisa's friend to have her turn on you?

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, it's time for a Bronwyn monologue.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a big one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bronwyn answers very longly. I know that's not a real word, but that's all that I could come up with right now. So she's like, you know, hold on, everybody. Let me just get. I just feel very differently than I did then. And at the time, I definitely did feel like you were not being a friend to me. And I kept thinking, something has gone on between Lisa and I. Something's not right here. For a minute, it was right, but then it wasn't right anymore. And, you know, I think you see me kind of chasing her the whole season. Am I right? You see me chasing her. You do, right? Yes. Yes. You see me chasing her. And then, you know, then I was like, what went wrong? What went wrong? You kept stabbing her in the back for no reason and talking shit behind her back and yelling at her. That's what went wrong. Well, I know that Lisa Barlow is a monster, but you started it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, and now that I've watched it Back. And I've watched the way you are with Angie and Heather, and I've been, you know, charging Todd's Palm Pilot and things like that. You know, things you said in your confessionals. I don't think anything went wrong. I just think that I was just unaware that we were just like, not as close as I thought we were. And I think that, you know, I think that I was Lisa's social friend and I was incredibly close with her. She didn't want to repay the friendship tax, even though I'm incredibly wealthy. And I bought her a first class ticket one way to part of a trip. And I did, you know, at one point, you know, she got a shampoo bowl from Angie and I got her a shampoo tray, you know, and it's just. I guess. I guess it's just a one way friendship. And that's okay. That's okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She just sees me somebody as somebody that she sees socially. Well, do you know why she thinks that? Because Lisa was like, I just know her socially.

[Ben Mandelker]

We weren't like, embedded in each other's lives, you know, like, we didn't tell each other our deepest, darkest secrets. And I've always thought highly of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are your deepest, darkest secrets? One time I put a Frosty. I put a Frosty in my car cup holder and accidentally dipped a fry into it. And it was the most delicious thing I ever had. So one time I had a French fry with Frosty on top of it. I'm so sorry, Mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, on that note, I just want to announce that today, for the first time in my life, I had my very first blizzard from Dairy Queen. Thank you, Ronnie. Thank you, Ronnie, for holding my hand through the process and showing me. Ronnie guided me. I was like, what do I get? He's like, we should get the blizzard. You were. What was the thing you got, like the peanut.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got the Peanut Buster parfait.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, personally, he got the. He got the fancy thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's natural things in it like peanuts, there's fruit. Yeah, but don't you love when you show somebody, like your childhood thing? You're like, this is the most amazing thing from my childhood. And they're like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought it was very tasty.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was media. It was mid. You're right. Okay, so it was like a dairy print. It was like a Dairy Duchess. It wasn't really a Dairy Queen.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like a Dairy Countess.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Dairy Queen needs more sugar there. They heard it here first.

[Ben Mandelker]

The truths are coming out tonight. Everyone come for Salt Lake City Stay for the Dairy Queen critiques. So thank you. Thank you. Waited 13 years on this podcast to say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So mineral from water says, hey, Heather, you didn't give Bronwyn a chance. Do you regret treating her the way you did after watching her season? Do you think you were unfair to her? And Heather's just like, well, listen, I got a real quick read on Bronwyn because I know readers, because I'm an author. I'm currently writing my third book called Receipts Proof. Joseph Smith. And I knew exactly who she was when she had a conversation and then started talking about Whitney differently to her face than she did behind her back. And guess what I regret nothing. I regret. Ow. I bit my tongue. Maybe the teeth. I maybe regret the teeth.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was more conversation in the car. Yeah. And yes, I was hard on Whitney. And then Whitney and I had a conversation, and I said to Whitney, I didn't leave there with a great impression after you stormed out. I did say that. I did. I will just nod until you just accept it. Uh huh, huh, huh.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are you talking about? You told Whitney, of all people, that she's iconic. I love that that's had this big diss. She's like, we all know you're lying. You called Whitney iconic.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's an honor to be named after an Alanis Morissette song.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey. And then I have a question for you, because I feel that I'm always there for people, and then, like, you're not there for.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can do it, Whitney. Come on. You can do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

You were almost on the way to asking a very incisive question.

[Ronnie Karam]

I forgot. Can we start over again?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was so supportive. Oh. And I feel like you won't claim me publicly this close. I almost got it. As a friend. As a friend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, thank Jehoshaphat. Well, that is something that I see when I watched back. That is true, Whitney. I do see that as I watch that back. And I very much was in a place when we were filming where I thought, Lisa. This is all Lisa's fault, by the way. Every personality flaw that I showing tonight is because of Lisa. So it's because I thought that Lisa and I were better friends. And then something had gone wrong, and I was trying to unravel what that had been, you know, I was just trying to unravel it and, you know, get that going. And, you know, more often than not, I place Lisa on a pedestal, you know, and then I found out Lisa is this. This bag of bones with long, stringy hair, and I'm So sorry that Lisa did this to you. Lisa did this to you? Yes. So you're saying that Lisa hurt you? Okay, show me on this water bottle where Lisa hurt you. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everywhere. So Andy is like, do you accept that, Whitney? And she goes, I do accept that because I fucking hate Lisa right now. So I'll accept anything. Barb. Bronwyn says Whitney's such a dingbat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her actual answer is, yeah, because my relationship is totally separate from my relationship with Lisa. Like, what does that have anything to do with. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

You take your okay, okay from Sam from Diego asks, blatant pandering. Blatant from pandering asks, you seemed offended that Whitney, that Bronwyn wanted to mend things before Palm Springs. Can you blame her for not wanting to invite people she's not in good standing with? And so Heather's like, I mean, it was a move, Andy, and it's a couple's trip. And I think I was never involved in the first place. I was never going to go on that trip. And it was very clear to me the minute I walked into her house that I was there to say, sing for my supper. Well, let me sing it right now. Receipts proof Dublin.

[Ronnie Karam]

And why. Why would you want to create fractures in a friendship group that are, like, newly fragile? And Bronwyn's like, did anyone else think that I was only there to embarrass Heather? Answer the fucking question. Answer one question, lady. So she's like, or that I was trying to fix it with her? Because I would love to know that. So everybody thinks I was trying to fix it with her. Everybody's raising their. Okay, if you don't think that, don't raise your hand. I mean, if you don't think that, raise that. If you think that, don't raise your hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, wait, wait. Can I lift my foot up? Whitney's like, I know Heather so well. So I could see where Heather's perspective was coming from. And the walls went up right away, like for Jen Shaw. But I also did see Bronwyn trying, so I think it was just really a sad miss. But I understand both perspectives.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, carbon from dioxide wants to know. Heather, you know, you have an edge to you now, and it's cause you're not fat anymore. Yeah, you've lost weight, so now you're a huge bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that question came out of nowhere. I was like, what?

[Ronnie Karam]

What is wrong with people? Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

And let me tell you, we're kicking off this new year with a whole new mindset. You know how everyone's all about New Year, new me. Well on, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're taking it to a whole other level. We're talking new year, new perspectives, and.

[Ronnie Karam]

Honey, it's going to change your life. I sat down with astrology queen Chani Nicholas, y'all, if you want to understand yourself better this year, this episode is it. And then there's my chat with the incredible Da Vinci where nothing was off the table. If you're looking to level up your.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Catch it on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. And for the full experience, head to my YouTube channel. If you're looking for more podcasts to help you tend to your well being, check out New Year New Mindset on the Wondery App. Let's make this year our best one yet, baby. So Heather's like, I mean, I guess that's an interesting read on it. I guess when I was heavier, I was more of an underdog and like, I was just, it was okay when I stood up for myself because I had to wear stretchy pants. But season one, Heather had a lot more confidence than this girl. I mean, this show strips you of your ego. It strips you of your confidence. Okay, now you're just full of shit. I was with you for the first two seconds. How does this show strip anybody of their ego? Look around this room. Meredith is literally sitting there like, how dare she? I'm the only person.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a listening device under my chair and I don't appreciate it. Britney.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'Re on a show with Lisa Barlow. How could you say this show strips you of your ego? Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mary has a nice monologue where she actually says that she feels like Heather's different, but she's been pouring love into herself. And when she met Heather many years ago, five years ago, she was like in a dark, unhappy place. And we, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we know what Mary means too, because, you know, Mary, Mary's like, well, you know, when I first met Heather, I hated the bitch. But, you know, it's mostly because, I mean, she was fat. I just hate fat people. But now she's not fat. So, you know, good for you, Heather. It's basically Mary.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's basically.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you remember when Melee was doing that thing up on the. They were having that, like, exercise day and Melee was up on the ropes. And Mary's like, I don't remember her being so big. That's Mary.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be fair, a lot of people just don't remember Melee. That's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, Mary's like, but, you know, now she's more self assured and stuff and she's more confident and you are different. And Andy's like, well, you always seem confident to me. She goes, well, I mean, you have to have more confidence to show up with no than when no clothes fit. I mean, I'm wearing a stretchy jumpsuit. I mean, I'm next to all these beautiful women and I have confidence in spades to do this whole show. Andy. And he's like, why are you crying? And she's like, because I'm starving. What do you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm hungry. Okay, I want to switch gears for a second. Let's talk about something uplifting. Okay. All right. So SHU from Lace says, Bronwyn, you discovered Lisa knows Gwen's parental grandparents.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa, did you intend to share that story on the show, Bronwyn?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I did not. Which is why I showed Lisa a picture that surely she has never seen and had no idea of and showed it specifically to Lisa in front of production and had no idea that it would end up on camera.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's asking Lisa. He's like, well, you knew Gwen's dad. And she's like, yeah, I knew him very loosely. He's like a social friend. Yeah. I'm like, friends with his parents and everything. It's, like, really cool. And Heather's like, so you saw the photo and you're like, I know that family, right? I'm just trying to help you out, Lisa. That was your line. She goes, yeah, I saw the photo. And I was like, I knew the family. Yeah. Yeah. I used to go to the mother's house and, like, up the stairs, she had a picture of him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, well, I can't tell you a person other than Gwen I've ever showed a picture of Gwen's dad, too. I was very clear about that. I've never shown one to Todd, mostly because the father worked out and was younger, and I just don't want Todd to get mad at me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, also, you can't show photos on Palm Pilots.

[Ronnie Karam]

I tried to draw up for him.

[Ben Mandelker]

But we did have a very good game of Minesweeper, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

The stylus was really rough, Andy. I'm not gonna lie. So she's like, well, he's seen it now, of course, but he had not seen it before. And so when you say I look like Glenn, you know, I just felt like maybe I could share this with you. You know, I could confide in you that Gwen looks like her dad and how much that hurts me. And I felt, you know, she goes through the whole thing. Like, I was confiding these huge things to you, Lisa. I was letting you in in such a huge way with my daughter. And your responses did feel like you were defending them. So Lisa's like, wait a minute. You're talking about the after show. So we don't cover the after show on this show, but on the after show, which we find out now, Lisa's like, you know what? I knew it was a super sensitive situation, but also for the family that lost her son. So Andy's like, well, what did you say on the after show? I barely watched this one, so somebody fill me in. Okay, so we see a flashback, and Lisa's talking to Britney, which, why would you pair those two? You know? So Britney's face is just like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Brittany's just so excited to be there.

[Ronnie Karam]

She really is.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's just ready to sing Pocahontas at that point. Are you guys ready for me? I can sing it. I can sing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Lisa is telling her, look, I had a long conversation with Gwen's grandmother, and she's like, we're open to meeting her. We're excited. You know, last we were told, Bronwyn had a miscarriage. Okay. And there was no child. And then her son, who passed away, his wife reached out to Bronwyn and she's like, but we never got to meet Gwen. So it was, like, really upsetting for them. So she's. What Lisa is saying here, and I'm not going to stand up for Lisa for this whole time. Don't worry. But I think on this point, she's saying, we filmed the after show before the show airs. So they showed something else that they cut from the show. They showed this on Peacock, but they showed a flashback, a flashback to a foot massage place where on camera, Brahmos said, I thought, there's no way this person could know I have a child somewhere and someday not come for her. And Lisa said, did they not know? Because I think that she was told you had a miscarriage. And she said, we didn't hear differently. And so. And Bronwyn didn't get mad. She was just like, okay. So Bronwyn had them cut that footage from the show, Right? She went to production and said, could you cut that footage? That's 2 cents a dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was on the reunion, by the way. This was, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they cut the footage from the show. So Lisa doesn't know that they cut the footage from the show. So when she goes on the after show and she's like, I thought she had a miscarriage. That's what I was told. And now Bronwyn's like, how dare you, Lisa? Because they forgot to cut that from the after show. They cut it from the regular show, but not the after show. So now I'm not saying total justice for Lisa, but she's so bad at explaining herself, and she just goes down at this point, girl, if you can't explain it, just say, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's all she needs to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a sinking ship.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's all you need to say at this point. But, yeah, but why?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why ever take the easy way out when you're Lisa Barlow?

[Ronnie Karam]

She can't do it. I mean, God bless her, even if she's in the right and she has a point. She's like, how could you do this to me?

[Ben Mandelker]

This was. This was obviously, more of, like, a darker part of the reunion. But luckily, like, we did have the comedy of watching Lisa choke up, like, every two minutes just in a random sentence. She was like, well, you know what's really funny? Hold On, I'm getting a text. Oh, I'm getting a text right now. Like, she kept on doing it as, like, her get out of jail card thing worked for me. I liked it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn tells us basically what I just told you, right? So she's like, but then in the 18 years that I've had Gwen, I've never told a single person who this person is. I've never asked for money. I'd never said anything to them. So I was really careful. And you and I had a clear conversation. And you're entitled to believe your friends if you want to, but you've been on TV a long time, Lisa. Much longer than me. And you know what was going on the after show and repeating that I faked a miscarriage. And this is where Bronwyn loses me. No one ever said, lisa never said you faked a miscarriage. No one ever said it. I think the implication is the guy lied and said, mom, don't worry, we can still go to our little planet with all the other fucking wives because the baby died. I think that's what happened. Now she's accusing Lisa. Now, why does Bren get in trouble for all the shit she lied about? To get sympathy points on Real Housewives of New York. But Bronwyn is still called an icon when she's saying shit like this. She never said you faked a mistake. And that's not cool to put that on somebody because now when you go online, everyone's like, lisa accused her of faking a miscarriage. Bullshit lady. And I don't care who agrees with me. That is low.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'll tell you why Bryn gets more shit is because when Bryn isn't lying, she's also not entertaining. And Bronwyn is entertaining when she's not lying. Also, Bronwyn is so much more entertaining than Bryn. But I do agree. I do think it was. Wait. Sexy podcast recording, huh?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll cast your pod, big boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

San Diego. I want to meet Diego. Diego, call me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Lisa's like, I never said you bite a mascara. What? And Bronwyn's like, you know how hurtful that was would be to hear from my daughter? And she's like, well, he's passed away. And Gwen's. Lisa's sobbing like, he passed away. Gwen's father has passed away. And, you know, we go to commercial and we come back, and Lisa's just like, you know what? I'm in a lose, lose situation here. I just can't wear that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Brian was like, I just. I Don't understand why. Why you have to do this or whatever. And Heather's. Heather basically tells Elisa. She goes, just say sorry, and there's no way out. It's done.

[Ronnie Karam]

Heather's like, listen, it's over. New York Times bestselling author. Trust me, your goose is cooked. Just say sorry. You're not going to win this. Bronwyn has nailed that coffin shut. Just so sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Bronwyn is a very, very good arguer, which is one thing I love about her. So whether she's wrong or not, like, I love watching, like, she just, like, just shreds everyone on the show all the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yeah, because she twists everything they says and uses it in a Zachary. Accusations against them and lies, basically. So good for her. She's a great lying arguer. She's one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But, like, let's not act like, let's not forget when Heather was trying to come for Bronwyn and Bronwyn was like, yeah, because I used my fucking credit card. Because I want. It's my fucking credit card. Whatever that moment was, I was like, yes. Like, that was such a good moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I wish I could congrats on Todd having a giant credit card. You're still a dick.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa is. She's. It's like, it's over. Miscarriage has been, like, invoked. And so it's like time to just like, quietly, like, give her the cane, pull her off. And the. And this segment, it's like, it's. It's not gonna get any better for her. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she's. And Bronwyn's right. And this is the thing, you know, because Bronwyn is right on a lot of this stuff. It's like, look, lady, I just told you I'm pregnant. This family totally shunned me. Wanted nothing to do with the baby. And Lisa's like, but I love them. They're good people. And, you know, to Lisa Barlow, what that means. They're really rich.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're really rich.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're high up in the church. So it's not like Lisa gets off scot free here. She's like, her mother's so sweet. No, she's not. Her mother's a fucking bitch. That mother sent somebody out who's pregnant on the street by her son and disowned the girl. And if she did have a miscarriage, if she believes she did have a miscarriage. Where's the flowers? Where's the. I'm sorry. Sorry. Where's the. Can we help you? So no matter what Happens between Lisa and Bronwyn. Fuck those grandparents. Fuck both of them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I love being mad. God, I love this job.

[Ben Mandelker]

Happy birthday to us. For our birthday, I got Ronnie anger frothing. So Bronwyn. So Lisa's life.

[Ronnie Karam]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You want to make me out to be this horrible human being that I'm not. Bronwyn goes, lisa's welcome to believe them if that's what she want. They want to tell her that's what happened. But I don't understand why you can't have an ounce of understanding of how painful this was for Gwen and I. And Meredith is like, well, I think that's why she's crying over there. No, I lost my Subway rewards card. That's why I worked for three weeks on that thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Bronwyn's like, well, once you repeated it, Lisa, it went everywhere. She repeated it on the show after she didn't know that you had a fit about it being on the regular show. Why aren't you yelling at production? Yell at them. So Meredith is like, yeah, that's why she's crying, I think. Lisa, is that why you're crying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

You did hear about the Supercuts in Bogota. So she's like, you could at least start with a, I hurt your daughter. Which, I mean, I think Bronwyn's right on all of this, you know? So Bronwyn's saying, you could have just said, I hurt your daughter and this caused all this shit. And you. You put it out. You. Even if you didn't know, you could have just said you're sorry, you know? And Lisa's like, well, but that would be a lie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, no, no, the lie is about lies that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She brought it up on the.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, the lie is Bronwyn says, you can say, you know, you can say, fuck me. I don't. I don't care about you Brahman anymore. But, like, I want you to. I want you to apologize to my daughter. And Lisa saying, no, I do. Like, the lie is that I don't care about you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't care about you. So she's like, so you know what? You know, where we could start with this is where you and me struggle. You know, you always say, well, you know what, Lisa? You should be saying that, and you should be saying that. And I don't like when people tell me what to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm just giving you options for things you could say because you did none of them. And Lisa's like, I don't need options. This is a Very complicated position for anyone to be in. And Mary's like, do you know how.

[Ronnie Karam]

Difficult it is knowing that somebody had a child that their grandparents didn't? It's like you're talking to the person who had the child that the grandparents.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is like going to like a Pizza Hut Taco Bell. Which one do you go to? It's a complicated situation.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa could pass by Jesus Christ getting crucified and be like, I can't believe they're blocking the road to lunge. Do you know how difficult it is to get that reservation over there?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's complicated. Samaratha goes, she can out martyr.

[Ronnie Karam]

The biggest martyr in the world.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you feel badly that Bronwyn and Gwen were hurt by what you said? And furthermore, do you feel badly that you're implying that I have an eating disorder?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what, I could have said what I wanted to say, but there's so many chime ins from everybody, so I just couldn't say it. You know, I would never want to hurt Bronwyn or Gwen because they're all so rich.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Before you know it, I'm just not gonna be invited anywhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's like, Bronwyn, at the end of the season, Gwen still hadn't decided whether to pursue a relationship with her grandparents. Where are things now? And Bronwyn's like, well, that's in Gwen's court now. And Lisa gave us the information when this all came up. And you know, Gwen's gonna make that decision at some point and she will just, you know, they will be here doing this. Like, is, is her voice going up to the ceiling? Like it's floating off.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's basically like, well, she's 18, she can do whatever she wants with those fuckers. So Andy's like, well, I guess the million dollar question is Bronwyn and Lisa, is there a path forward? Here's what I love healing. So just to remind you, Lisa completely fucked you over and has no remorse. This lady just made you look like you said you faked a miscarriage. You guys want a hug? That's what this show's all about.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now we can all exhale because we got through the miscarriage accusations segment of the reunion. Everyone, we did it.

[Ronnie Karam]

We did it. People are going to be leaving here like, thank for bringing me to the show, hon. Thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

So basically this, this, this relationship is going to need next season to whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not going to work out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's break for lunch. Which is. I love the let's break for lunch, cuz. That's the moment when Andy just sinks in his chair.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. Immediately. With his phone. His phone. He just sinks down, has his phone here. He's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's playing Wordle. So now they all break for lunch and Mary goes, wow, now I remember why I don't miss these.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to the dressing room where Whitney and Heather are still doing their damn handshake. I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello, salute up. Da da da da da. If you like the Daniel show bell to ring. Can I join in?

[Ronnie Karam]

You got me again. And Brooke Brooks is put. Brooks fluffs Meredith. That's probably not the right terminology. He's like, let me fix your hair, mom. Your hair looks really good, mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

You are an icon. The way you gathered those bitches. Like, literally, mother, mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Lisa and John and Lisa's like, I mean, it's just so frustrating. It is so frustrating. I'm like, tired of the hamster wheel. Do you want to leave the show? What are you fucking crazy? John, shut the fuck up or I'm gonna divorce you. Stop speaking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Seriously. He's like, I know it's hard when they all come for you. She's like, no, I'm not talking about that. It's me watching you parallel park. It's so frustrating.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Whitney and she's like, she. Lisa has problems with everyone. Don't you think at some point you could just quote Taylor Swift and be like, hi, I'm the.

[Ben Mandelker]

What? What is. What is next?

[Ronnie Karam]

What.

[Ben Mandelker]

What is next? I only listen to Yanni.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa's the problem. It's Lisa. Taylor Swift is Greek. So then we go to Heather and Heather's just talking with the makeup people. And that's a good thing. When you don't have a husband to go back there and like cry to. You just get to talk shit with the people who really don't care about you. The makeup people. Because the husbands at least have to kind of like mid pretend to care. But the makeup people are getting paid, so anything you say, they're like, uh huh, yes, girl, yes. So she's like, I'm totally annoyed with Bronwyn's Dame Edna act. I mean, like, my intention is to make sure everyone loves me. And I'll start with Twitter and then once I'll say every politically correct. I just feel like she's running for office. Like I'm in a TED Talk that I just did not need to hear.

[Ben Mandelker]

Says heather in her 10th monologue of the episode. So then we see Todd is sitting with Bronwyn. And he's like, there's a draft. So Bronwyn's like, well, we got right into the Lisa and Gwen of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Give me the Reader's Digest version. The worst thing to ever happen to this world was long form writing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm not telling her what to say, cuz she gets spicy. Settle down over there. I'm trying to watch Diagnosis Murder.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I was telling her, is there anything you would want to apologize to me for? No. No, you don't want to apologize for anything. Would you like to? I kept giving her the options. I gave her multiple things to say, and she just wouldn't say them. Todd. She just wouldn't. I guess we're never friends. And he goes, yeah, I guess you were just social acquaintances.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she goes, well, I was a social climb. And when she wanted to come to our jazz suite, when well, and I had a party, she wanted to come. And he goes, well, of course. And she can come to our jazz suite and not have anything to do for it, so to speak. Wow, look who got an iPhone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we know how much Bronwyn hates when you demean a woman with sexual comments and suggest that she only gets things from fucking people. Yeah, not a hypocrite at all, you two. And also, we get to see later in this episode we saw in the previews where Bronwyn is like, and how dare you, your husband talk to a woman like that? What husband talks about a woman like that? Yours. We just heard him.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now it's time for the husbands to come out onto the set, which is. I'm already cringing. I don't know. Just like, seeing Todd up there, I'm like, oh, no, this is just gonna be. This is, you know, like, Seth is over there waiting to say biatch. And Todd is like, this duel doesn't fit. Nice. So Todd's like, I want to sit next to Andy. Earn it, Andy Griffith. So Andy's like, all right, we're back with the Real House House of Salt Lake City, and the husbands are joining us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Justin.

[Ronnie Karam]

Justin's like, hey, hey, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can we get a PA to clean up that trail of chocolate syrup? Thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right. Hi, husbands. Hi, husbands. Hi, husbands. Okay, Todd, welcome to your first reunion, possibly your last. Let's just hope you make it through the whole thing. So I'm sorry I'm not greeting you in an inflatable costume. How do you feel about landing from business trips and having your wife greet you at the airport in a Costume.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, look, it's just fun. It's like, you know, turning on George Burns and Gracie and listening on the radio while you eat your macaroni and cheese. That's. That's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sean, how about you? We've heard you're giving circle jerks this year. Just. Just in case. That's true. The love circles. Sean's like, yeah, well, I'm having a great time, and Angie's doing a great job, and I'm here to support her. Is that Meredith Marks? I fucking love you. Please sign my Louie on the way out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary, we didn't see Robert Cedar this season. Why is that? And she's like, well, obvious reasons. He doesn't want to be a part of this. He's happy. He's good with his life, and he doesn't want anything to interrupt it. Todd's like, wait, that was an option?

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought grandpas had to come to these. I love that we've got two people on this show married to their grandpa. Okay, I know, you guys. I'm sorry. I don't know what's wrong. It's deep. It goes deeper than you could ever know, you guys. So just laughing through the tears. So Andy's like, so, John, how are those parallel parking spots? And he's like, wow, that was amazing. I had, like, my first iconic moment ever on television.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a great reveal. And Heather goes, it changed things for me with you forever. We come here as a group of women, all thinking that we can park the same way. And then it turns out people come into this group and they do not park the same way. And we have been through the trenches together. Parking in normal spots, diagonal spots, parallel parking. And for someone to come in here and try to destroy us with parking very slowly for 10 minutes, we do not accept that. And we band together because we've been to hell and back. And I swear to God, if I have to say that Jen Shaw gave me this black eye because John Barlow parked too slowly, I will say it.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, all right, Here we go. For the last five years, the Salt Lake City husbands have managed to keep their skis out of the ladies. Icier moments. Who's riding this ski? Is there a monkey at the wheel back there? But this season, the husbands and couples were openly taking swipes. Todd, that's something you do on phones that, like, they were authorized users of Todd's black card watch. So we see flashbacks of the season of the guys and the guys talking in the pool and, you know, not, like, bringing misogyny into it at all, which is great. And Seth is like, guys, you judge a straight guy by his wife. You judge her by the quality of his wife. I think that we're killing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Todd's like, well, I'm gonna make a different point. You judge a wife by the quality of the Werther's originals they bring you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You judge a wife by the quality of their husband. And they're the winners in this situation. You know how many people want this body? Go to a mall at Christmas time and see all the ladies lined up to get a piece of Santa and tell me this ain't where it's at.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we go to that dinner. Oh, not a separate dinner. And Brittany's like, hey, I've got an announcement. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I've got an announcement. My announcement is that Jared and I both want to know, Bronwyn, how did you choose your husband? Goes, because he's hysterically funny, as you will see on this entire season, I'm sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

So are you attracted to him? Are you saying because he has money or because there's an age difference? Because that is a low blow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bronwyn does trap people like that because she's like, I'll give you. Here's your. Choose your own adventure as why I should be mad at you. Option A, you said that because. You said that because you're saying I'm a gold digger. Or option. Option B, you're saying it because I have terrible taste in men. Which one do you. Which path should we go down for this fight?

[Ronnie Karam]

So true. And wasn't this right after Bronwyn had been digging at Britney about her stupid relationship with Jared too? And, you know, I mean, that's still. I was still there. That was fair. So, okay, so she gets pissed off at her for that. And then we go to the dinner at the vacation in Palm Springs, and someone's like, oh, it's nice out here. It's like miserable feeling, but it's beautiful. And Bronwyn goes, yeah, miserable but beautiful. It's an analogy for Todd and I's marriage. Miserable but beautiful. And he's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know much about their relationship, but it looks like there's mild tension. And it also looks like someone's been leaving spider vices all over this room.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we see Todd and Bronwyn sitting together at their house after the vacation where she yelled at everybody and kept having walk offs and saying the F word and stuff. And so he's like, well, in the 10 years that we've been together, I've never seen you act the way that you did this weekend. It's not very becoming for you. And next time you're getting a 7 up. There is no Shirley Temple in your future, missy. You want a cherry, you better learn how to behave.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we also see another clip of Todd saying, well, you know, when Bronwyn and I started dating, I had a friend at the NSA do a background check on her. And Bronwyn goes, oh, yeah. Cause I can be a real snarky cut. Fitness. Don't say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Trying to think how those things even linked. Oh, yeah, I can be a real snarky cut. Investigate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or she's being too snarky.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was snarky, so I called the nsa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Something's going on with this lady. She's making too many jokes. I think she's working for the Russians.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, well, God, I'm really running out here. Redemption from value, says the Bronwyn. Todd is obviously very blind. Were you concerned about him being on the show? You know, maybe embarrassing you? Farting inaudibly, pinching his nipples too much while he crosses his arms for no reason. I think Todd is just, like, playing. He's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary Katherine Gallaghering it. So Bronwyn is like. She's got, like, her hand all the way back. She's like, yeah, I'm just gonna touch Todd, you know, his. Just to make him feel comfortable. It's like, this is his version of a thunder vest.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like making sure your child in the backseat is safe when you're taking a red light too quickly.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Todd, just settle down, okay? We're on tv. So just remember that, you know, I let Todd be who he wants to be. Calm down, okay? And Todd and I have had some really important conversations, and we've watched each other back. And I would have said, you know, said before we filmed, while we filmed, and that we've had a good relationship, but we have a much stronger one now. Because I feel like saying that it doesn't really make sense, but I'll just say it. We are much stronger now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, now I've seen from other people's perspectives how maybe I speak to Todd. Is that fair? Or about Todd. Is that fair? That's maybe not representative of our feelings. And, you know, I won't speak for you. I won't speak for you. Want to speak for yourself? Don't speak right now, please. But, you know, you said similar things to me. I mean, he did say or get out of this house and leave the car keys or you're not going out with your friends after 10. Stuff like that, Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you want a new Starbucks mug? You want a new Starbucks mug? I'll get you that. You want that cake pop?

[Ronnie Karam]

You want that cake pop?

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you want Starbucks mug?

[Ronnie Karam]

Todd likes getting the little dog. Starbucks drink. That's just whipped cream in a tiny thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you want a Sriracha packet? They offer those now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Puts his nose in it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sriracha.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sriracha.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Todd goes, absolutely. I feel the same way. And I think one of the interesting things is the number of people in this group. You know, some of them don't even know my name and asserted things about me. Well, I obviously know your name and it's Bertrand, so please stop dragging me into this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I think it. I think opinions are like, no tears, everybody's got em. Why are you on me about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, Todd, do you want a macchiato?

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe, you know, they feel free to share their opinions, but that doesn't mean they're true. You know, Bronwyn and I have a strong relationship. We got ups, we've got downs. Sometimes she gets grounded, but ultimately we get a great time together. You know, she's experienced. We've experienced so much in the last 10 years. I got older, she. I don't know, she got a few faces, a lot of dresses. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

We watch a lot of John Wayne movies. God, we have a lot of fun times together.

[Ronnie Karam]

People are jealous. Nobody is jealous of your ass. Nobody. I can see that you have a lot of money, which is great. If that's what. If that's what it costs, I don't want it. I don't want it. Todd yelling at you like, I don't like how Todd treats Bronwyn. And I know I'm kind of rough on Bronwyn, but it's only because no one else seems to see it and call her out, which makes me crazy. But ultimately I like her. I'm glad she's on the show. Like, I think she's a good housewife. I like her and I don't like seeing her mistreated by that old bastard. I don't like it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I hope she finds wherever he's hiding that money and she gets it. No, divorce won't work because his ass has everything tied up in trust. You know it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, there's no way that she's getting her hands on any. Unless she gets tricky. And if we know that anyone is tricky on this show is that girl. So I hope she takes all these powers that she's using right now against Barlow and takes that fucker for everything he's worth. Get him. Get him, Bronwyn.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Bronwyn. I have to say, to me, there's no qualifications about it. I just love her. I think she's great even when she is, you know, being messy or whatever. That's. You know me, I always love a. A messy, messy housewife.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're jealous of me. Well, I'm curious about the conversations that have come out about your behavior on the show or things that you've maybe seen from each other on the show. Don't sue me. Please don't sue me. And Brahma's like, well, you know, I tend to have a sarcastic bend to my humor, and I always want to say something before anyone else. She's basically kind of parroting everything that he's been mad at her about, you know, which I don't like.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so she's like. And, you know, sometimes that comes across like I'm making a joke at Todd's expense or the stability of my marriage's expense. And, you know, that does take a toll. And to watch the world think that, it's like, you know, once speaking negatively about my spouse or my marriage. And Todd. Todd didn't deserve that. He just wanted a Werther's Original. That's all he wanted. He didn't deserve. Did you deserve that, honey?

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you deserve that?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you don't.

[Ben Mandelker]

He doesn't deserve it. He doesn't deserve it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I know I seem grumpy, and I know when I'm yelling at all these ladies like children on my lawn, but at the end of the day, it's my lawn, and that's it. It's not your lawn. Get off my lawn. Get off of my lawn.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I've committed myself to and to Bronwyn to work on that. And I don't mean to be as assertive as I appear, but like a 9th grade type of argument, a playground argument, just set me off a little bit. And Mary goes, not ninth grade, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

A couple of things are off limit for television. First of all, my nipples, whether through a shirt or not through a shirt, these hands are covering them. And you're not getting a piece of this, so stop trying.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, what the hell is BRO Bravo anyway? Last time I checked, this was my opera station.

[Ronnie Karam]

The second thing that's off limits is Bronwyn's daughter, Gwendolyn, who I've been with for 10 years. So bringing up issues that were personal is completely unacceptable. Your wife did that. Almost pointing it out, you guys, that came from your team. So he's like, almost to the point of being loved.

[Ben Mandelker]

And John is like, well, who. Wait, am I allowed to speak? Oh, my God. You can do it, John. Come on, we told you to do this. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

John, stop parallel parking in your head and just do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, okay. You can do it, John. Who. Who. Who brought it up? Your wife did. Oh, no, she didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Uh huh. Yes, she did. I'll see you like I did Hewlett Packard. And Bronwyn's like, he's talking about the after show and what was said on the after show. And John's like, lisa didn't bring that up. Bronwyn brought it up. Okay, I don't want to litigate this. I just lit a fire and now I'm mad that it's burning. So please stop fighting. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Todd, I get where you're coming from. And Bronwyn's like, well, he's talking about the after show, Todd. And Todd goes, let me be clear about something. You asserting Bronwyn had a miscarriage. Was. And John goes, watch your tone. Like, oh, John Barlow.

[Ronnie Karam]

John Barlow. Watch your tone.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I'm not watching my tone. I'll use any tone I want.

[Ronnie Karam]

Watch your tone. No, watch your tone.

[Ben Mandelker]

You watch your tone.

[Ronnie Karam]

You watch your tone.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, you watch your tone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, am I partying with myself? He does that sometimes, right, honey?

[Ben Mandelker]

He does. He gets very upset.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's after 7:00.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're just yelling at each other. Just would like to assert again that no one accused Bronwyn of having a miscarriage. Except she said that. Okay, so Heather is just like, guys, I just wanted to say something. Sometimes in life we reunite. Sometimes we decide to parallel park. Sometimes. Meredith, shut the. I mean, Heather, shut the up already. None of us can take this anymore. Seats. No, Heather. Timeline.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that is the end of part one of the reunion. Thank you, San Diego, for having us here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's great seeing you all and have a great night.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Plain she ain't no shrinking violet. Coutar we love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey.