#2709 RHONY S15E016: Liar Liar

Summary

Podcast Title: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: #2709 - RHONY S15E016: Liar Liar
Release Date: January 30, 2025

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Introduction

In episode #2709 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous happenings of The Real Housewives of New York City (RHONY) Season 15, Episode 16 titled "Liar Liar." As always, Ben and Ronnie provide their signature blend of praise, ridicule, and sharp-witted commentary on the drama unfolding within the RHONY cast.

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Episode Recap

The episode centers around the highly anticipated reunion of RHONY Season 15. The hosts break down the key moments, conflicts, and resolutions that took place during the reunion, highlighting the intense interactions among the cast members.

Key Moments:

• Jenna and Bryn's Tense Exchange: The reunion kicks off with Jenna Shearer arriving in her iconic bathrobe and towel ensemble, setting the tone for the evening. Her attempt to appear nonchalant is met with skepticism from both Ben and Ronnie.

  • Jenna: "I'm about to watch a 15th episode."
    (Timestamp: 05:34)

• Bryn's Accusations: Bryn Ventimiglia confronts Jessel Taank over alleged misinformation and manipulative behavior, leading to a heated exchange accusing Bryn of lying.

  • Bryn: "I'm the bone carrier and maybe even this swallow."
    (Timestamp: 36:12)

• Raquel's Emotional Confession: Raquel Pennington opens up about her struggles with motherhood and her strained relationship with her family, bringing a heartfelt moment to the reunion.

  • Raquel: "It's hard for me, who's very direct. I understand that."
    (Timestamp: 57:08)

• Aaron H's Sperm Donation Dilemma: Bryn discusses her challenges with Aaron H regarding sperm donation, revealing deeper personal conflicts.

  • Bryn: "He's putting you off, Bryn. He’s a weirdo."
    (Timestamp: 60:08)

• Jenna's Appearance and Robe Critique: Jenna's extravagant $7,000 dress and her decision to return her $1,500 robe become subjects of critique, showcasing the tension between authenticity and image.

  • Jenna: "I was gonna return it. It's so expensive."
    (Timestamp: 51:31)

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Key Discussions

1. Authenticity vs. Image Ben and Ronnie critically analyze Jenna's choice of attire and demeanor, questioning her authenticity amidst the show's emphasis on glamorous presentation.

• Ben: "I hate to be this person to be like, you spent fifteen hundred dollars on a robe when you can get it for like $40 at Target."
  (Timestamp: 52:41)

2. Bryn's Credibility The hosts debate Bryn's honesty, especially concerning her allegations against other cast members. They express skepticism over her claims, suggesting possible fabrications.

• Ronnie: "Do not believe you, ma'am. Do not believe you."
  (Timestamp: 06:37)

3. Raquel's Personal Struggles Raquel's openness about her family and personal issues is lauded by the hosts, recognizing it as a genuine and impactful moment in the reunion.

• Ben: "We talk a lot about Bryn being a liar or compulsive liar, but I 100% believe her about this."
  (Timestamp: 57:37)

4. Aaron H's Role and Integrity Aaron H's interactions and perceived integrity are scrutinized, with Ben expressing disappointment over his actions and decisions affecting Bryn.

• Ben: "This is like pathetic and sad and like really fucking cruel."
  (Timestamp: 68:02)

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Character Analysis

Jenna Shearer:
Jenna's actions, from her attire to her interactions, are portrayed as manipulative and inauthentic. Her decision to return expensive items is seen as contradictory and raises questions about her genuine intentions.

Bryn Ventimiglia:
Bryn is depicted as a central figure of conflict, accused of lying and manipulating situations to her advantage. Her confrontations with other cast members highlight ongoing trust issues within the group.

Raquel Pennington:
Raquel emerges as a vulnerable and sincere member of the cast, with her personal struggles receiving acknowledgment and support from both the hosts and other cast members.

Aaron H:
Aaron's decisions, particularly regarding sperm donation and his interactions with Bryn, are scrutinized. His actions are viewed as lacking integrity, contributing to the tension within the reunion.

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie: "Do not believe you, ma'am. Do not believe you."
  (Timestamp: 06:37)

• Bryn: "I'm the bone carrier and maybe even this swallow."
  (Timestamp: 36:12)

• Jenna: "I'm just saying, anybody new boobs? Anybody, raise your hand. Got new boobs?"
  (Timestamp: 08:48)

• Ben: "This is like pathetic and sad and like really fucking cruel."
  (Timestamp: 68:02)

• Raquel: "It's hard for me, who's very direct. I understand that."
  (Timestamp: 57:08)

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Conclusions

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode by reflecting on the emotional and dramatic highs of the RHONY reunion. They commend moments of vulnerability, especially Raquel's, while continuing to critique what they perceive as manipulative behaviors from other cast members like Bryn and Jenna. The discussion underscores the complex dynamics of reality TV, where authenticity often clashes with image crafting.

Final Thoughts:

• Ben: "We love you guys. And watch us on Watch What Happens Thursday night after Southern Charm as bartenders with Patricia and Austin. We love you guys."
  (Timestamp: 69:46)

• Ronnie: "We love you guys. If you like, watch what happens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus."
  (Timestamp: 72:44)

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This summary encapsulates the main discussions and highlights of episode #2709 of Watch What Crappens, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the full episode.

Transcript

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So nice.

[Ronnie]

We're gonna go talk to someone else. Is it a surprise we're supposed to talk to later? I'm excited, actually.

[Ben]

Yeah. I don't know. Announce it. I don't know if we can announce it.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, but it's somebody. We've been waiting, we've been waiting like a decade to talk to these people and we're finally going to meet them. Well, I met. We. We know them, but talk to them. Talk to them. Anyway, later we'll. We'll tell you tomorrow and then we'll be on watch what happens Thursday night after Southern Charm. We'll be the bartenders. So join us for that. That's gonna be so much fun. Ben, tell me, tell me everything. How are you feeling?

[Ben]

I'm feeling. I'm feeling. I'm feeling great. Do we know if this is gonna be a three part reunion of New York or just two parts? I'm really fingers crossed for two parts.

[Ronnie]

I think it's two. Yeah, someone told us to, but who knows, you know, this is Bravo. They might be like, let's talk about your bathrobe for another hour, you know, but it was a pretty, you know, yikes. Finale was super dark. And so here we go with a pretty dark reunion as well. But it starts out kind of fun because Jenna arrives in an iconic. It is iconic. Jenna is so mother right now. And what does mother wear?

[Jenna]

Whatever mother wants.

[Ronnie]

She's in a bathrobe and a towel on her head.

[Ben]

Yeah, she's iconic. So, yeah, she shows up and then Bryn, she's. Bryn goes into Jessel's makeup room and.

[Bryn]

She'S like, hey, what's going on?

[Ben]

And she's like, oh, know just this day, can't wait to get it over. Yeah. How you feeling?

[Bryn]

And she's like, yeah, but how do you feel?

[Ben]

She's like, I'm okay, but like, how are you?

[Bryn]

I'm good. Like, how are you?

[Ben]

I'm good, but like, how are you? I was like, okay, we're off to a great Start.

[Ronnie]

Jessel's just looking at her like, why is this girl coming in here acting so happy? Because, you know, Brand's very much like, nothing happened.

[Jenna]

Hi.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, hi.

[Jenna]

Like, why are you being cryptic right now?

[Ronnie]

She goes, I'm not being cryptic. I mean, it doesn't make me cryptic. But you sold the show, right?

[Jenna]

She goes, no, it'll be fine. Right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

I'm about to watch a 15th episode.

[Ronnie]

I haven't watched it yet. First of all, I don't believe that for one second that she did not watch the finale after making a complete ass out of herself. She knows nobody's speaking to her. Nobody has spoken to her since then. And she's not going to wait. She's going to wait until she gets there. She's doing it so she can sit in that makeup chair and sob to herself as she watches it, getting her makeup done and act like a victim, you know?

[Ben]

And that's exactly what she does, 100%. Because every housewife, listen, she comes onto the show. This entire season, we've seen, like, little hints of it, about how she is, like, very aware of the show and production. She had the whole thing where she pulled over UBA and was saying, like, they're gonna shoot you like this. You have to be careful. You might come off as angry black woman. She talks and tells Rebecca, you know, if you want to make it on the show, you got to mix it up a little bit. You gotta. So she's savvy and she understands the way this works. And you cannot tell me she did not this ahead of time to line her ducks up in a row to defend herself. She's just gonna, like, walk in and, like, watch it in makeup, where you can't even. Like, there's so many distractions and so much noise. No way. Not. No. Not buying.

[Ronnie]

Do not believe you, ma'am. Do not believe you. So then we go to Aaron and uba, and Aaron's like, I'm sure we're going in with, like, hopeful resolve, right?

[Ben]

Yeah's. Like, I am not reserving anything. Oh.

[Ronnie]

To sell.

[Jenna]

Wish, Naomi.

[Bryn]

Wish.

[Ronnie]

So then we go watch Ren sob. Because she's. She's watching it on her phone. They're doing her hair, and she's like, oh, my God. She's watching everyone's interviews. And Bryn's saying. Come to think of it, she. Aaron's saying, yeah, Bryn accused her UBA of, you know, saying this stuff about her when she knew that Bryn had been sexually assaulted. And then Bren told me but come to think of it, maybe she didn't clock it. And Bryn's just like, oh my God.

[Jenna]

I'm so betrayed right now.

[Ronnie]

And then we see Sai saying not.

[Jenna]

Clocking something like that versus her accusing her of knowing those are two different things.

[Ronnie]

And we just see Bryn sob and sob. Because the ultimate victim here. Yeah.

[Ben]

So Bryn is like, oh, now we.

[Bryn]

Feel bad for Uber.

[Ben]

So okay, so now.

[Ronnie]

Yes. And that isn't that wild that that's what she says? She's like, oh my God. So now they're editing this to look like we all have to feel sorry for UBA now. Yeah. Because you tried to ruin someone's reputation for literally no reason.

[Ben]

Yeah, for no reason. So then Andy is like, hey, so.

[Bryn]

What'S your vibe today?

[Ben]

Uber hot. She's like, no, uber zen. Naomi wish. Zen.

[Ronnie]

Buddha wish.

[Ben]

Buddha. Buddha, Buddha wish. I was gonna try to. Yes, and that. And I can think of anyone after.

[Ronnie]

Buddha, Buddha wish, Jesus wish.

[Ben]

Yogi wish.

[Ronnie]

So you know, Andy comes to Uber's.

[Jenna]

Room, he's like, what's your vibe today?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you already said that.

[Jenna]

So what do you think? What do you think Bryn's gonna be like today?

[Ronnie]

And Uber's like, oh my God, very delusional Andy.

[Jenna]

He's like, well, we'll get into it all. Can't wait.

[Ronnie]

By the way, these are not boobs. Please do not ask me. They're not new.

[Jenna]

Well, I'm just saying, you know, anybody new boobs? Anybody, raise your hand. Got new boobs?

[Bryn]

No one camera person. Come on, please, someone.

[Ben]

So Jenna's getting doing a mic check and she's like, okay, one, two, three. Pigeon vagina hair. That's my mic Jack.

[Ronnie]

So Jenna comes out in her bathrobe and her towel around her head and.

[Jenna]

Andy's like, oh my God. Iconic. You are changing the game. The game was called Housewives. Now it's called Mother Real mother of mother of Mother City. Okay. Wow.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And she's like, well, you know, after you wear jeans, where do you go from there? I'm like, so then other people walk out and everyone looks great. I mean, everyone does look great. This is definitely a very like fashionable cast for sure. And then, you know, Aaron comes out and you. She's, you know, she has a baby bump cuz she's pregnant. And br.

[Bryn]

Like, there's a baby at the reunion. And also Aaron's pregnant.

[Ronnie]

C3 Prego. She's like all. She's all gold. Like C3 Prego. I liked it. It looked good on her.

[Ben]

C3 Prego.

[Ronnie]

She looked cute. So Jenna's like, yeah, we're definitely giving a glam moment. I say that out loud. Oh, my God, seriously? And then br's like, ja's here.

[Jenna]

Yeah. It's like, totally zaa. I love it.

[Ronnie]

Comes out in kind of a Mrs. Roper goes to the Oscars kind of an out. It's like this huge, sparkly caftan that's all feathery. And this wasn't a great choice.

[Ben]

I. I didn't mind it too much, but I, you know, I honestly was not really paying too much attention to the fashion. I'm not gonna lie. I just was like, yeah, they all look good. And then sai had, like, a really big dress, which was, like, kind of fun. And then Jenna's like, I love it. It's like gone with the wind via wicked.

[Ronnie]

High def.

[Ben]

So then. Okay, so everyone keeps coming out. All right.

[Bryn]

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Real Housewives of New York City season 15 reunion. I'm Andy Cohen, joined by the funny lol that's a joke to the audience and fashionable women who keep us all on our toes. And by all on our toes, more like our eyelids shut. So tonight we are high above the city on a penthouse terrace overlooking the park. Because so little happened in the season that was significant that we couldn't even build a backdrop for it. So here it is, Central park instead.

[Jenna]

So, jel, did your non romantic, completely cheap ass husband get you anything for your birth or for your anniversary?

[Ronnie]

And she's like, actually, yes, it was very romantic. Andy, he got me an iPhone 16.

[Ben]

Something I did want. So it was really great. Everyone's like, oh, okay.

[Ronnie]

It came with. It came pre installed with an app to find the nearest fried chicken locations. And I can't say I've ever felt more loved. Thank you for asking.

[Ben]

For my birthday, parvat was kind enough to get me a subscription to YouTube premium. So it was really a very romantic gesture.

[Jenna]

Jenna, you're in a bathrobe icon. Icon cannot be stated enough. I see. Oh, and you are an icon by that.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, okay, yeah, I get it.

[Jenna]

But you got to take off sunglasses and the robe.

[Bryn]

All right. And Bryn, tell me about what's going on over here. We share the same birthday. He's like, oh, cool. Hey, well, that makes all the sense in the world. Hi, Raquel. Welcome to your first reunion.

[Ben]

She's like, hi, Andy. Thanks for having me here.

[Bryn]

Cool.

[Ronnie]

So then sign. Yeah. Sigh. Looks good. Aaron's pregos, you know, she's wearing bottega and he's like, I'm assuming it's not.

[Jenna]

From their maternity line.

[Ronnie]

She's like, nope. People really had to squeeze me into this dress, Andy. So it was great.

[Bryn]

All right. Hi, everyone.

[Jenna]

Hi.

[Ronnie]

Hi.

[Jenna]

Hi.

[Ben]

So he says hi to everyone.

[Bryn]

He goes, okay, before we begin, I just want to see if anyone wants to set any intentions for the night.

[Ben]

This is.

[Ronnie]

Just stop with this.

[Jenna]

I can't listen. Intention.

[Ronnie]

All of you die. That's. That's what they're all thinking at their unit. Here's my intention for that.

[Jenna]

To get what's finally coming to her.

[Ben]

Joseph's like, I'm going to set an intention to do a software up update on my new gift.

[Ronnie]

It keeps saying it's going to do it overnight, but then it says it didn't download it. It's really frustrating, Andy.

[Ben]

So then Andy's like, ye.

[Bryn]

Well, I mean, you all saw the finale and literally you all watched it this morning. And Bryn's like, yeah, this morning I totally watched it. And he's like, what was your reaction, Bryn? Well, I think we're all gonna have a lot of clarity and I hope for resolution.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Anyone else have an intention?

[Ronnie]

And Aaron's like, I'm like, hopeful that we get to a place of understanding because, like.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, Aaron's really sucking the air right out of the room. Okay, so, Uber, what's your intention?

[Ronnie]

She's like, I'm okay. I'm really happy to be here with everybody. That's it.

[Jenna]

And he's like, okay, Brynn, Uber. You guys haven't spoken since the title shoot, right?

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God, those sirens are really coming. Hard. God, New York, it's hard. Those are hard sirens. New York City. New York City doesn't around with their sirens.

[Jenna]

Go get them.

[Ben]

I don't know if I think that was.

[Ronnie]

But I'm rooting for you.

[Ben]

That was the. It's the recap. Police. Hello. We have a report of two trying to make this Rooney season entertaining. We have to arrest them.

[Ronnie]

I don't know how we haven't been arrested. We are being so loud in these rooms. We just spent an hour and a half screaming our faces off as D and Kyle. And now, you know, it just keeps going. I'm sure the neighbors love me over here. Anyway, so you guys haven't spoken to each other since the reunion or since the title shoot, right? And she's like, yeah, well, I want to get started.

[Jenna]

Thanks for the lengthy answer.

[Ronnie]

They're both like, like, no. No.

[Bryn]

All right, well, there's been a lot of opinions about your partner, Cass, Jenna. And by a lot of opinions, I.

[Ben]

Mean, like, three people somewhere in America cared about this.

[Bryn]

But, like, Cass chose not to be on the show. And so I ran into you two at a party, and then she ran away from me quicker than anyone has.

[Ben]

Even run away from me ever in terror.

[Bryn]

Not even Kathy Griffin ran away that.

[Ben]

Quickly when she saw me.

[Jenna]

And then I think you left the party.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, oh, I mean, Andy, come on, you. And he's like, please take off your sunglasses. She's like, oh, okay. I guess I. Okay, Andy. Well, look, it's not because of you. We'd gotten stopped seven times on her way out, and she just wanted to go. And he's like. And Uber goes, you were the seventh person. Sorry, it's over for you. She goes, you know, Bezos had just arrived. The party was going in a different direction. You know, we're having problems with our prime account. I mean, why say one day if it's really going to take three? That was her question, you know.

[Ben]

You know, it was very. The party planner was very frazzled because he was supposed to arrive between 6pm and 9pm and apparently he came after that delivery window, but they couldn't make an official complaint for two more days.

[Ronnie]

I haven't really cared that we haven't met Cass. That hasn't really bothered me too much. But now I want to meet cast because I love that Cass is like, bezos is here. We're out of here. Before I beat the shit out of that little bastard.

[Jenna]

Go.

[Ben]

I also just love the flex, that quiet flex that Jenna does, that basically saying, yeah, we were at the sort of party that Jeff Bezos goes to. Yeah. Meanwhile, like, Bryn is going to, you know, Barnes and Noble for something. I don't know, I couldn't think of a good comparison. The point is that she's friends, like, playing.

[Ronnie]

Playing checkers. Playing checkers with old men in the park or whatever. So.

[Jenna]

And he's like, well, you know, I do remember talking to you before he started filming the season. And the H word was used in relation to gas.

[Ronnie]

Hoover.

[Jenna]

No, the H word.

[Ben]

Oh, Halibut. Yes. She does not like halibut.

[Ronnie]

Bezos's favorite meal. Halibut. God, Cass wants to kill him. What is the H word?

[Ben]

Hate.

[Ronnie]

Oh, wow.

[Ben]

Yeah, I guess she said she.

[Bryn]

Because he goes, she said that she hates this show.

[Jenna]

Is there a part of you that.

[Ben]

Wishes you could show people your real relationship? And she goes, yes and no. There's a part of me that wishes I Could show Cass because she's really funny, but part of me that doesn't want to show Cass because then I'll probably get in trouble because she has a problematic mouth.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I love that. They showed the clip where Jenna thought she was whispering, and she's like, yeah, Cass can't come on the show. She'd be canceled. She'd be canceled in two seconds. So Andy's like, okay, well, Leela from.

[Jenna]

Lalo says, hey, on Watch what happens Live, you hinted that you might already be married. What's up with that? You already got married.

[Ben]

She's like, oh, well, this is totally fair. Totally fair. Partially. Well, okay, so we, like, we had the very playful, emotional ceremony with friends in Texas, but it's not legal, so we're not in a hurry, so we're. So. Yes. Did we have a. A wedding ceremony? Yes. Are we married? No. But are we legally married? Yes. But are we legally married? No. So I think it's pretty clear where we stand right now.

[Jenna]

God, I loved your opening up today.

[Bryn]

Okay, this one Cinnamon from Toast Crunch says, ladies, how does it make you feel when Jenna is so coy about her personal life with y'all, but then talks candidly to the press about it? Sounds like it's annoying.

[Ben]

I totally get that. I totally get that. No, I. I get it. I'm very, very young. I guess the thing is that I. On a certain level, I don't like any of you guys here. And I'm neutral about the press. Actually, I hate the press, but I hate you guys more. So I think that just clears it all up.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

All right, let's move on. I'm bored. So, Psy, have you apologized to Bobbit for comparing him to an animated fish? She goes, no.

[Ronnie]

And then we see a flashback to Bryn reading the text from Psy going, fuck you, Jessel.

[Jenna]

And your Dory from Finding Nemo lookalike husband, too.

[Ben]

Jess was like, but he ran with it and s. Like, yeah, I think.

[Bryn]

He'S, like, making the best out of his doppelganger, and he's, like, having a good time. But you mentioned in Puerto Rico that you wanted an apology from poppet calling you a bipolar. Have you gotten that apology now?

[Ronnie]

Well, you know, I know that he's thinking about it, and we spoke about it again two days ago. I said, can I have a daughter? He said, no. Can we name the daughter? Sigh. He said, I'm not naming my daughter after a bipolar. So, you know, I'm working on him. We're getting there.

[Ben]

You know, Jessel makes it sound like she, like poppet, is a dog that she's teaching to like do circus tricks. Like, almost there. He is getting really good about being on his hind legs, but he's not good at juggling yet. So we're working on it.

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[Ronnie]

So she's like, oh yeah, Well, I.

[Jenna]

Expected from a husband, from a man because my husband would apologize, you know, and that's what I expect from a man. You know, I don't expect a man to call a woman a. And if he does, he should own up and apologize. So it was very, very hurtful. It's very offensive.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you suggested he was minors in Vietnam, so get the over it. I mean, listen, never call a. But look, you're really, you're really bleeding one out over this one when you were also not mice.

[Ben]

So Jessel, I think she should just.

[Ronnie]

Say he should absolutely not call a woman A. And that's the end. He should just apologize for that and say, I don't like you and I don't appreciate what you did, but I'm sorry for calling you the B word. How about. Can we just go with thanks?

[Ben]

Yeah. That's all you had to say is she's an. So Jess is like. But it's something that's, like, really awkward for me. It's not that. It's like, apples. Apples. Which, by the way, which does remind me, I do have to bring my iPhone to the Apple Store. But he also feels delighted by you. It's broken. He actually got me a broken, used iPhone, so it wasn't so much of a gift, was it?

[Ronnie]

You know, I did ask him to apologize, and I thought it would work this time because I actually did it as my. As my avatar on my new phone. I was a dinosaur, and I said, puff it. Please, please apologize. Suicide. For calling her bipolar.

[Jenna]

All right, it's not gonna work.

[Ben]

Okay, so she's like, well, you know, you did imply a couple of things that he wasn't fond of.

[Bryn]

Yeah, like he was going to Vietnam to get laid.

[Ben]

Right. I mean, it just. It wasn't a nice insinuation. And I think he does want to apologize. We're gonna. We're gonna work on it. I mean, well, first, the first thing on our agenda is how do we delete the U2 album that's on my iPhone? And second, is working on the apology.

[Ronnie]

The moment he learns to go poo poo outside, we'll start working on the next trick.

[Jenna]

And he's like, okay, so, Raquel, let's talk about your mom. How'd the busy go?

[Ronnie]

And she's like, okay, well, did she.

[Jenna]

Has she come to see you yet?

[Ronnie]

She's like, no.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, I saw. Last time we saw you set up an iPad.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God. Girlfriend. Tell me about it. Roughest time of my life. That's basically a gigantic iPhone. I just don't know how you do it.

[Bryn]

Okay, so have you and mel. Have you FaceTimed your mom at all? All?

[Ben]

No.

[Bryn]

Okay, well, so I'm really glad we casted this woman who was part of a scandal in the art world, and we've shown just that she's trying to.

[Ben]

Set up an iPad with her mom. That's her story.

[Ronnie]

Hold on. I would like to add some more scandal to this, Andy.

[Jenna]

Okay, go for it, raquel.

[Ronnie]

We haven't FaceTime because I haven't figured out how to set up her iPad. So.

[Jenna]

Well, you're right.

[Ronnie]

The ratings just.

[Jenna]

I'm sorry, did everybody hear that breaking?

[Ronnie]

It was the glass ceiling crashing.

[Jenna]

Okay, so with all due to the other woman, it seemed like you were being extra lesbianic in front of her mom.

[Ronnie]

And then we see them, you know, making out. All making out in front of the mom. And size like, wow.

[Jenna]

I called it. I called it out. You know, I said, stop making out with each other. You a bunch of Finding Nemo bitches.

[Ben]

Yeah. And Jenna's like, honestly, I. I had an out of body thing. It, like, it wasn't intentional. I just went to kiss Brynn on the lips and I went to kiss Brynn and she kissed me on the lips, and somebody made fun of it. And then it just wasn't even a conscious thing. And I'm so sorry if it made it uncomfortable. Was like, are we really dwelling on the scene? This was such an uninteresting un. Like, this is a scene that impacted nothing. And we're going to sit here and talk about it.

[Ronnie]

Well, it was 99% of the season. I mean, that's what we get, you know? Although I just say just focus on the last episode. Okay, let's get the. Let's get in and out. All right. In and out, guys.

[Ben]

Yeah. So they talk about this for a long time.

[Bryn]

And Andy's like, so did you have any conversations with your mom after the visit?

[Ben]

Non texts.

[Bryn]

Okay.

[Ronnie]

We can only converse over Apple products. And unfortunately, that has been a stumbling block, Andy, so.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, I would like to remind everyone, my intention is for everyone to answer with more than a yes or a no. Okay. That would be great.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Jenna]

Okay. You're doing it again. You're doing it again.

[Bryn]

All right, Raquel, you brought the issue very bravely up, and I thought it was really important for people to see. So let's see a flashback again.

[Ben]

My mom hasn't visited me.

[Bryn]

Okay, that was a great flashback. Okay, really hard. What? What? Tell me what's going on, like, with this conversation.

[Ben]

And so she's like, well, my daughter said, oh, my God, you need to have this conversation. It's going to kill you. And I said, well, yes, but I came here to be myself and to be true and honest, and that's a huge part of my life.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, let's switch gears. I'm sleeping. So we heard Sai say she couldn't stand Jenna. Right? Who else heard that? Who heard that?

[Ronnie]

And Aaron's like, you did say things like that. So, I mean, just admit it. Like, you did kind of say It. Okay. Twisty. Okay. Twisty. Word. Lady and size.

[Jenna]

Like, I never said I hate Jenna.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but, like, I never heard the word hey. I mean, you didn't say hey.

[Jenna]

Yeah, well, I definitely said she's not for me. I mean, you know, listen, it's just like shoes when you're trying to push glass through them. Push glasser wall. It's just not for me, all right?

[Bryn]

It's not for me.

[Ben]

So Jenna's like, yeah, well, you had mentioned things to me. And you had mentioned things to me. And you had mentioned things to me about what Sai had said. And Bryn's like, yeah, and I heard.

[Bryn]

It you at your house. And then, like. And then I was, like, saying, like, you were saying, like, everyone around.

[Ben]

I don't remember who she's addressing, but maybe Aaron. And she's like, saying, like, you were.

[Bryn]

Saying that, like, everyone around town is saying that Sai hates me. Oh, I guess it was Jenna I'm talking to. And I was like, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, if everyone around sounds like she must not like you. But then it got turned around and, like, that I said it.

[Jenna]

Yeah, because she told me that you said it. Oh, so that's how it got turned around because I said it. That is crazy. You guys are attacking me.

[Ronnie]

It's so funny seeing this set up in the reunion because literally every single fight has been started by Brent and Aaron. But of course they're gonna let Aaron off the hook and pretend that she's a fucking saint because Bryn's in more trouble. But yeah, every single thing was started by this lady. So they, Jenna and Bryn kind of start speaking over each other about it. And Andy's like, well, did you think watching the episode when you denied singling.

[Jenna]

Bryn out, what did you think about that?

[Ronnie]

And Jenna was like, oh, I just felt. Oh, God, I just felt so bad. I just fe. So bad, Andy. I mean, just crushing down inside, just terrible.

[Bryn]

I mean, like, coming into the season, it was like, let's get people to like her more by making them like me less. And it was just like, nothing but the first five weeks of you, Aaron. Like, nothing but, like, the first five weeks of you laying me through hell. Like, baby going through hell.

[Ronnie]

I put you through hell.

[Bryn]

You put me through baby hell from day one. It was like, brynn's a liar. A sexy, sexy liar.

[Jenna]

I just ignored you. No, you didn't. You sent me a happy birthday girl text. And then we texted back and forth like Harding.

[Ronnie]

And then we see the text string.

[Jenna]

Where size like, happy birthday, brain. I Hope your day finds you on a yacht somewhere sipping champs, which is.

[Ronnie]

Kind of calling you a yacht girl, really, if you want to look at it. But, you know, you take it however you want.

[Jenna]

And she's like, I wish. Thank you, love you, miss you. So many exclamation points.

[Ben]

And psy is basically like, yeah, I did send you a happy birthday to you.

[Bryn]

And I also invited you over for Thanksgiving.

[Ben]

And we see a text string of the ad of Psy inviting her over.

[Bryn]

And psy's like, bryn, you manipulate and you twist things around. You lie. And I haven't had one moment where it flashed back to me saying, flashback to me lying. But you, you behaved the way you really behave. And this season, it showed it. It reflected who you really were. I did nothing.

[Ben]

You did it to yourself, which I thought was a really good point. Like, they. They could not show any flashbacks of me lying. And they had so much footage of you lying this season. This Bryn.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And just laid it out flat. And then, of course, Bryn's just crying over there like she's just been victimized one too many times. So we come back from break and.

[Jenna]

S's like, bren, what did I do to make your life so miserable? She goes, the first time, weeks of filming, like everybody was calling me out for lies. I don't like this. It's not fair.

[Bryn]

So what did I do? I don't get how I'm a part of it. What did I do?

[Ronnie]

What did I do? I don't get it. Like, I made your life hell.

[Bryn]

You screamed.

[Ben]

But how I screamed at you. No, I said, are you dumb? Oh, that's much better.

[Jenna]

You called me a million names.

[Ronnie]

No, I didn't.

[Jenna]

I screamed at you once, and I made your life miserable from going, what now? It was five weeks, non stop.

[Ronnie]

Okay? Did you ever see us talking about you?

[Jenna]

I mean, but it was like the energy. It was just like the energy, you guys. Energy from people.

[Ben]

Sounds like the energy.

[Bryn]

Let the energy ruins your life. The energy.

[Ben]

Everyone's like, you liked. You liked. You lied about a story to Jenna. And I was heartbroken for my friend. I was so heartbroken for my poor, poor friend who couldn't even afford an Uber.

[Jenna]

But I didn't lie about a story.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you did.

[Jenna]

You said it was funny.

[Ronnie]

And then he's like, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Jenna]

After the first night, what did side do to you that tormented you for five weeks? Yeah, what's toilet? What's the toilet? It was just horrible getting screamed at.

[Bryn]

All right, so she screamed at you that first night, and then you felt the residual effect for five weeks. Is that. Can I just help you out here, Bryn?

[Ronnie]

He's trying, man. She just can't. Can't hold on. And so I was like, it was her.

[Jenna]

It was Aaron. It was the whole thing.

[Ronnie]

And Aaron's like, I didn't say one bad thing to you. Not one thing. I mean, you can't say, are you dumb to people anymore.

[Bryn]

Like, you call me like six names.

[Ben]

And then we see this flashback, which, honestly, I feel like this was a stretch, where you see Aaron saying, I have integrity and I told the truth, and you don't do that. And Jessel just confirmed it. So on the chiron, that says one, no integrity to liar. And then she goes, I hurt. I hurt you because I actually care about you and you're a bad friend. Are you nuts now? Like, bad friend and nuts go on the screen. I don't think this is like name calling. This is her confronting her. And this is not like taunting, you know?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I'm not Aaron. You just defend her on this. But yeah, I thought this was a stretch too.

[Jenna]

So you got me stupid. You call me soulless.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, brandon, it's not true. It's just not true. Your life is hell.

[Ben]

Your life is hell.

[Bryn]

All right, well, apple from Jack says, we saw Bryn create issues between you and Aaron with ubagate.

[Ben]

And then we see Bryn saying, I'm sorry. Not Ubergate. Ubergate. There's Ubergate this season and Ubergate.

[Ronnie]

We'll get to it. We'll get to both. So we see Brynn again in flashback.

[Jenna]

Going, she's, like, having money problems. Her car broke down. I offered to get her an Uber and she said yes, and then she didn't pay me back. That's the text from Aaron, you guys. Well, we also saw Bryn create issues with Usai, and then we saw her try to create issues with you, Jessel, and telling Jessel you said she was a basic.

[Ronnie]

So. And then we see a flashback of Bryn going, well, I was shocked when.

[Jenna]

I asked Jenna if she thought you were a basic. And she goes, I don't gonna have to think about it. Amazing.

[Ben]

Every now and then it just like catches me off guard how funny it is when you do Brynn.

[Bryn]

When you.

[Ben]

Get breathless with her. I just, like, sometimes it just like catches me. Like, honestly, when. When we did the promo for this mounting stereotype, and this is not me trying to wedge in a promo for it, but, like, when we did it we did all these voices and your Brin thing was so funny. And I think I had to cut it down to make it the one minute that we had on Instagram.

[Ronnie]

Hey, you cut my brain out.

[Ben]

No, no, I had to cut it down. And so, like, there you. It was like longer tackling hags. So. But I would like listen to that over and over and over again.

[Bryn]

You're like, I'm missing my lady.

[Ronnie]

I love you. So Andy is like, so are you.

[Jenna]

Seeing a pattern here, Bryn?

[Ronnie]

And Jenna's like, yeah, there's like a string of the pot. But you know, I think that it starts to hur. And bring us.

[Jenna]

I mean, web. It's basic.

[Ben]

I think the problem was that. That like one in particular. And then it was like intended to hurt Jessel's feelings and embarrass her. And Jess was like. And it did. I called Jenna right away and I said, this is what I heard. And Jenna was like, no, I 100 defended you. And we see a flashback of that moment where. Where Brynn literally says that Jenna called Jessel a basic bitch.

[Ronnie]

And.

[Ben]

And when we. It's like, it's like a blatant lie. It's not like a fudging. It's not an embellishment. Because we see that Jenna says, I would not call her a basic because that's like the one thing that she isn't. Or she says something like that. Like the exact opposite. Are you on mute? I think you're on mute. Yeah, he's on mute. He's just talking. He's on mute. He doesn't realize yet. He's on mute.

[Ronnie]

How do I even do that? I don't even. Oh, I moved the mic over. I must have touched it. God bless it.

[Ben]

I didn't have. It was so funny, cuz I didn't have you up on my. I was looking at my notes so, like, you weren't on my screen. So when I was done, it was just like silence. And I was like, oh, okay. He hit. He hit me. And then I go. And then I. I flip back to the screen and I just see your face like big. I mean, like making all these movements. I was like, yeah, he.

[Ronnie]

He's dummy. It was completely opposite of what you were telling me.

[Jenna]

And Br's like, well, I don't elaborate because, like, I don't need to be creative elaborate stories. I mean, it's not that like, literally the thing that I do is like. The thing you do is you tell me something and then I literally run and tell the other person. So like, I'm like a quotation. I'm a quotation. I'm big on quotations.

[Bryn]

I'm the bone carrier and maybe even this swallow.

[Ben]

So then sai is like with embellish.

[Bryn]

With embellishments. That was my jle impersonation.

[Ben]

So Raquel's like, yeah, you add to it. And Jessel is like, yeah, that's definitely addition. So they're basically just saying like, bryn, you're a liar and you have a lot of sauce and you like, no one can trust anything that comes out of your mouth.

[Jenna]

It's like, but what embellishment?

[Ronnie]

They just told you. They just played a clip where you blatantly lied about it. What are you talking about?

[Bryn]

How do you not like, how do you.

[Ben]

How do you look at that clip and still say like, I just, like, tell it how? Like, you know, I just, like, run and tell it. You know, it's like a little bit of a sauce. It's like a blatant bald face lie.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, so.

[Jenna]

So I was like, because you're lying and it's irritating if these are my friends. And I take how often for him.

[Ronnie]

And then he's like, wait, hold on, hold on.

[Jenna]

I want to hear from Jenna.

[Ronnie]

Guess why.

[Jenna]

She doesn't really have much to say, but she is in a bathrobe mother takeover.

[Bryn]

And Bryn's like, you're like the art of projection. Good. Cuz you're sitting next to Raquel because art aren't and Raquel, you know. All right, I still, I still want to talk to Jenna. Bryn, I appreciate you trying to wedge a pun in there, but we still.

[Ben]

Want to hear from Jenna. I think that, like, what we're trying to say is, like, sometimes when you retell a story, the intent of the original story gets lost and the person on the other end gets hurt. It's like forcing Cass to stay at a party with Jeff Bezos. It's just hurt all around. Another H word. So we're just asking you to acknowledge and you just keep on defending it. And I'm just asking you, can you see that?

[Jenna]

Bryn, I understand.

[Ben]

Can I say something? Can I give you a perfect example thing?

[Ronnie]

I mean, you know, the car thing too. I mean, that was. That was something there.

[Jenna]

But I embellish Uber. I just told you I didn't. I never told you, like, that it was. You were this vindictive, horrible person. I mean, literally, I was framed.

[Ben]

I was framed, Jenna. Is that how it was told to you? She like, it was. It wasn't Vindictive. And. And horrible. You just made it sound like she was making fun of me. That's it.

[Ronnie]

And Aaron's like, I was so pissed off at you for turning that into something that was so gross. That wasn't gross. Like, it was innocuous. No. I mean, yes. Look, Bryn's a liar, but it doesn't. Two things can be true. And Aaron is also a liar, because Aaron was like, oh, my God, you guys, she's so rich. But then her car breaks down, and then she doesn't pay me back for an Uber. I mean, what do you think you're insinuating? You know, so I'm not Team Aaron on this one, but I'm not either. God, it's just so nice.

[Jenna]

I am the fence.

[Ben]

Just no teams. Okay, so just Jessel. Jess was like, I think this toy can be taken that way. And so then Bryn's like, jesse, answer the question. She's like, no, that is the answer to the question. I didn't run up to Jenna and say, oh, my God, Aaron told you a story. Because, like, she told the story, and I forgot about it.

[Jenna]

Well, that's the answer to the question.

[Ben]

I'm drinking coffee.

[Ronnie]

Well, it was just light, you know, it's like everything that comes out of my mouth, it was just light and silly.

[Ben]

But, yes, like, everything that comes out of Hearn's mouth, it's light and silly. Frothy. She's like a meringue. She's like. Like a latte. You know, just put her on top of some coffee and enjoy that latte. That Aaron leachy latte.

[Jenna]

So no, answer the question. How did she say it? Be truthful.

[Ronnie]

And just was like, I am being truthful, Brynn. She told a story, and I'm telling you.

[Jenna]

No. She's sitting on my green couch. She's sitting in the corner with a bottle of wine and a big ball pillow. And she was like, oh, my God, I love the balls in your house. There's balls, like, literally everywhere. And then she was like, oh, my God, is like, Jenna gonna do this show?

[Ronnie]

And Andy's like, okay, I don't want.

[Jenna]

To relitigate everything here, because, frankly, it.

[Ronnie]

Was boring enough the first time. Didn't she insinuate that she was having money problems? And Jessa goes, no, not in my opinion. No. And then so we see a flashback to 44 seconds ago, J Going, I think the story can be taken at that. Yes.

[Ben]

And this is why I love Jessel, because she's not lying. She just can't keep her stories for any given moment.

[Bryn]

Okay, well, frosted for many weeks says the women complained this season about Brin's ranting text messages and threats. Ladies, is the Brin we saw on.

[Ben]

The show and the Brin we hear.

[Bryn]

In the text messages the same person.

[Ben]

Or is she just annoying in both different mediums?

[Jenna]

I mean, what was the carbon monoxide text about? I mean, I sent one text, and.

[Ronnie]

Aaron's like, it was me. It was about. About me. And we see a flashback of this, of Psy reading the text, and it said, I don't scream.

[Jenna]

Me yell. I won't bash you in front of the press. No, not my style. I'm far, far too elegant and smart for that. Someone who tried to me once with me once called me carbon monoxide. Invisible, odorless, and sucks the very life out of you before you even have the chance to realize it.

[Ronnie]

I mean, it's also basically a silent fart, which I think is where we're at here with your brain.

[Ben]

Well, there's also. There's something so funny about someone saying, I am too elegant and too smart. I am carbon monoxide. I am the most elegant of gases. Carbon monoxide. Do I come out of a muffler? Perhaps just the way all elegant people do.

[Ronnie]

You'll get sleepy before you even know you had a leak. Me, carbon monoxide.

[Bryn]

The worst thing you guys have on me for text messages is something I said about myself from sexy baby carbon monoxide.

[Ronnie]

So, like, you're threatening us.

[Jenna]

That's what she's doing. You're threatening us.

[Ronnie]

And she.

[Jenna]

No, I bet the Jeff Lewis thing. I mean, now you know how hard it was for me, what I actually was going through. So, yeah, I was, like, triggering. And I wrote you guys one long goddamn tags. And she's like, no, the words you're saying never happened. It never happened. She goes, well, I write text about myself referencing the period periodic table of elements. And you said text referring, referencing Pixar. And that's the difference between.

[Ronnie]

What the are you talking about?

[Ben]

This is the word I forgot is.

[Ronnie]

On the periodic table. Is it.

[Ben]

It's a molecule. It's not a. It's not an element. Brin, get it together.

[Ronnie]

Or even I know that, and I'm dumb as hell.

[Ben]

Yeah, like CO2. CO2 is literally three different. Three different elements, three different atoms. Come on, brain. But seriously. But it also. It's like. It's such a. It's such a stretch to say, say, like this. This is supposed to be like her read or her burn. Like, you send texts referencing Pixar and I sent Nice. I reference the periodic table and you reference Pixar. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Sigh. You reference a like a an industry leader in animation that creates a string of extremely successful movies and that's not nearly as good.

[Ronnie]

And I'm so smart. I reference periodic tables. Poor thing.

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[Jenna]

Andy's like, well Bryn, so far the reviews are in for your performance at this reunion. And it's basically what Kyle tells me every time I ask how she's doing.

[Ronnie]

Haven't ate yet.

[Jenna]

Haven't eate yet.

[Bryn]

Bryn, we just checked with the periodic table and so far we have found that you are an ig. Noble gas. That was a word play. You're also very inert on the periodic.

[Jenna]

Table and you are a silent fart. Please be quiet.

[Ronnie]

You are farting an elevator.

[Bryn]

Everyone keep your eye on. On. Brin. Think about it. Think about the word play there. Okay, moving on.

[Ben]

Are we moving on?

[Bryn]

No, we're not. Okay, so I say something.

[Ronnie]

I love this.

[Jenna]

I just go, I don't know what you're talking about. What are you even talking about?

[Ben]

It's. It literally is like I'm just. Of all the embarrassing things that Bryn did this season. It was the I.

[Ronnie]

It was the reference periodic tables.

[Ben]

Tables versus. I mean, most people do the like. Like I play. You know, you're playing checkers and I'm playing chess. But her. You're referencing Pixar and I'm referencing the epic table. I know you're trying to do alliteration, sweetheart, but it just isn't working. And I say this as someone who makes many forced jokes and many failed reads.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we have lots of failed every hour of this show, every minute, listening. Yeah.

[Ben]

What's coming around the corner for me?

[Ronnie]

Fail constantly. And even we think that. That, that was sad. You need better gays. Come to think of it, maybe we need better gays.

[Ben]

We need better gays.

[Ronnie]

Where are the better gays? Where have all the cow gays gone?

[Ben]

When we find out, Bren, we'll let you know. We'll refer you to some better gays because it's like, better health, better gays. Please apply Better gays. We need to work. We need work.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

I mean, did you hear when I tried to burn her about her bad burn? I was like, how, oh, wow, Pixar is so bad when it's an industry leader in animation.

[Ronnie]

Well, that you stuck up for Pixar so dramatically, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Defense.

[Ben]

It was just acting like Pixar is like chump change. I'm like, oh, it's an incredibly successful business.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

So Brent's like, I write about myself after some guy talks about me when I'm going through sexual assault. I mean, that's the difference between you and me. So you don't have text on me. I'm not a liar. I wrote one crazy text because I was going through. Because of a bad experience. I'm just about myself. I don't want.

[Ronnie]

Stop, stop, stop. Using triggered constantly. It's making me. What are you, 10? Just stop. Oh, my God. You're like a Tumblr. You're like a one woman tumbler. So s like, it's not just a carbon monoxide.

[Jenna]

It's with dumb. You make a lot of money. Will never understand portfolios, corporate America, how much money you make in Q3. I mean, you text the group pages and pages, encyclopedia pages of how dumb we all are.

[Bryn]

Well, last year Aaron told me that you would call her drunk and say, I don't even know where Bryn gets her money and she probably gets it from. My God. You told me that last year. And s like, I said that to who? To Aaron, because, well, I really don't.

[Ben]

Know what you do for a living.

[Bryn]

You're right.

[Jenna]

What do you do?

[Ben]

I. By the way, I thought SAI was really good, this reunion. I think that, like, I cannot believe how much I enjoy Sai now. Like, last year I could not stand San at all, and now I'm like, kind of. I'm like, really into psy.

[Ronnie]

Well, listen, a weapon is good when it's being used against people that you don't like. Last year she was just too all over the place. And this year she's laser focused. And also, she's not letting them, for lack of a better word. I'm sorry, I've been watching this show too much. They're not. She's not letting them trigger her. You know, she's just like, if she starts getting mad, she, like, thinks about it for a minute. She's like, well, yeah, but what do you do anyway? Nobody knows what you do, so just say it, you know, like, sorry. Like, you can't. You can't threaten me by saying I'm slut shaming you or what. Just. What do you do already? Just explain it once and for all, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, I actually think, like, SAI has earned her keep to, like, go on for another season. Like, I think that, like, Jessel, Sai and UBA should stay. And I'm like, a little bit on the fence with Jenna because I like the concept of Jenna, but sometimes the execution is not great, and I think the rest can just, like, maybe go.

[Ronnie]

Georgette Mossbacher. Those are my two. Please put Georgia. Those are. Those are two words that I will leave production with Georgette. Make it happen, Andy.

[Ben]

You know, I was looking at something and, like, Bravo had like, an official description for the show, and it was like, grab your Stilettos. The women of Roni are back. And I was like, see, that's the problem. I don't want a Grab your stilettos. Show this. I don't want Sex in the City reality show version put up. Put some, like, deluded people from the Upper east and Upper west side into this show, and I'll be happy and have them mix it up with your stilettos of Jenna and. And I'm not. Or Jessel. And sigh. But, like, don't give me all the stilettos. I want some kitten heels and some boots. Yeah, I don't know if that really.

[Ronnie]

Is a. I want Br's outfit on better people, if that makes any sense. I want the personality of Bryn's outfit right now. Like, the Mrs. Roper robe goes to the Oscars, but all people, like, who could pull it off, if that makes any sense.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

So anyway, so I was like, so.

[Jenna]

What do you do? What? What do you do?

[Ronnie]

And Andy's a Brin. Goes, I do your job. What does that mean? Does it mean we have the same job, or does it mean I'm carrying the show because you suck? Does it mean I'm an influencer? I don't know. She sucks. She's bad at this.

[Ben]

Yeah. Andy's like, by the way, how's therapy going?

[Bryn]

Oh, you know, I'm not doing it right now. I know how to reunion come. I know I'd have reunion coming up. And I thought, probably not a good idea for me to be calm, but I like size.

[Ronnie]

She's like, I feel cured, you know?

[Jenna]

You know how it goes.

[Bryn]

You know what? I'm just like some pastrami. I'm cured, you know?

[Ben]

So. So Andy's like, how long did you go?

[Bryn]

Four months.

[Ben]

Stupid.

[Jenna]

Okay, so not too long. Well, I want to take a break.

[Ronnie]

So they go on commercial break. And then he's like, wow, Jenna, we.

[Jenna]

Need that robe for Bravo Con. Will you save it?

[Ben]

Jenna's like, I was gonna return it. It's so expensive. And yes, I did go to a party with Jeff Bezos, but also, this is too expensive even for me.

[Ronnie]

But I like her being real. She's like, I'm returning this shit. Are you crazy? Fifteen hundred dollars. He goes and bring us fifteen hundred.

[Jenna]

And that wasn't much. My dress was seven thousand and I paid for it.

[Ben]

So, yeah, I just wanted Angie K. To burst in and be like, I paid for my dress because I'm helping the economy. Jenna is returning hers. Not helping economy, and still haven't mentioned.

[Ronnie]

What You've done, by the way. I love that they're like, where do you get your money? Where do you get exorbitant amounts of money when you seem to do nothing?

[Jenna]

I'm saying, just bought a 7000$.

[Ben]

Also, I have to say, okay, like, I hate to be this person to be like, you spent fifteen hundred dollars on a robe when you can get it for like $40 a target. Because, like, I understand the value of fashion and like, that, like, pieces, if you can afford them, they are an investment. I get all of that. And there's something to be said for good worksmanship and material. But if you're just wearing a robe for like one show, you could have honestly just spent like, you know, like, if you want to go luxury, $200.

[Ronnie]

1500 dollars to, like, work. I mean, if you just showed up in a Target robe, Andy would be like, go home.

[Ben]

Like, I know. You have to be able to say, it's a brand. I know.

[Ronnie]

She just comes with a cigarette dangling out of her mouth and curlers in her hair. So you'd be like, no. A little cat on her shoulder. No. So Andy's like, okay, we're back with.

[Jenna]

The glamorous Real Housewives of New York City. Let's talk about Aaron. Hold on, everybody. Talk about an innocuous gas putting everybody to sleep. The Aaron segment.

[Ronnie]

Bitcoin. You sold my bitcoin.

[Bryn]

Aaron, who brought Mezcal to America.

[Ben]

She's like, oh, my God. So embarrassing that no one here had heard of Mezcal before.

[Ronnie]

She tries to save herself by going, yeah, but you have to understand, this had been, like, in production for years. And, like, when we started production, I'd never heard of Mezcal before. So we did kind of bring it to America just. Just later still. Like, oh, wow, nice shape, lady Weirdo.

[Ben]

Yeah. So with the Mezcal stuff, there's also the sad stuff, you know, about her dad and everything. So she talks about that, and I.

[Ronnie]

Will not talk about it. I do not. I pretend sad things do not exist in my life. Laugh.

[Jenna]

And that is all the end.

[Ben]

I was just gonna skip over it.

[Ronnie]

Had enough?

[Ben]

You'll. You'll be okay. I was just gonna skim over and acknowledge that she. That her dad did know about the pregnancy, which was very, very nice. And so then. And then talk about the baby coming. And then we get to the bitcoin and everything. Everything. And she's like, well, here's why he sold the bitcoin. So we had a handbag line that Brynn loves To make fun of. Because she builds women up, right? I thought she said Rebecca. Wait. I think she said Rebecca made fun of it, which I was shocked at, but I could be wrong. I watched this kind of drunk. And so she's like, but. But I failed. And we were in debt for years because of it, and we didn't get help from our parents, so we were paying off the debt, and he didn't want to stress me out about it. And it's hard for me, who's very direct. Understand. Understand that. So basically she's like, yeah, he sold it because my handbag line was failing. And now we could have been so much richer in so many different ways if I just hadn't decided to start up a handbag line.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so he's like, well, Aaron, I'm sure that you're living in.

[Jenna]

I'm sure that you're loving the fact that Bitcoin's doing really well.

[Ronnie]

She goes, oh, yeah, I'm loving every moment, Andy, so how much money would you make? And she's just. Just like. Like not going to answer. So then Andy's like, okay, well, thank.

[Jenna]

You for bringing mezcal.

[Ronnie]

So he's like, so, okay, blah, blah, blah, let's skip all this because I think you've already summed it up pretty well. So Aaron's like, wow, Andy, if I tell you the amount that I lost, like, let's talk about abortion now. Okay, so that abortion storyline was really touching. And let me tell you, I got so many messages from people just saying that they were, like, so inspired and stuff like that. And Andy's like, well, what made you share it? And Jenna's like, well, you know, it's just a big deal, especially in the climate. And I actually like that she did that, too. I thought this was a good. It wasn't the most fun Housewives storyline ever, but, you know, if it's good, it was. It was good. I thought it was probably one of.

[Ben]

The best episodes of the season because it was a. About something real, as opposed to, like, annoying gossip about who said what about an Uber, you know, or anything like that. And it was also, like, it was powerful and it was actually very honest. And I thought it was, like, really great that so many people on that. On the episode, from Aaron to Jenna, then later in the after show with Raquel, and then also Aaron's father talked about it. Like, everyone was, like, very honest and open about it in a way. I mean, in the best possible way. Not the Kyle Richards way. It's very Powerful and was really good.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Okay, so next we go to uba. Uba, Jessel and Brynn all found themselves.

[Jenna]

Hoping for a baby. And we're pretty sure Pavett owes Beyonce an apology. Take a look.

[Ben]

Beyonce is like, I've been waiting for it. She's like, I'm not going to release a music video until you apologize to me. So Andy's like, all right. So the last thing was. The last part of this flashback is Bryn talking to a ghostwriter about her sexual assault. So Andy is saying that it was very brave of her to open up about that, and why did she decide to go? And she talks about how she's. You know, Bryn's talk about how she's still healing from something, and, like, it really helped last year. And she was like, I'm not sure about my parents. I'm not sure that anything happened. But then I did and felt like 17 years of therapy. So it was a big release for her to talk about it on the show.

[Ronnie]

So then he's like, so do you think you carry around a lot of shame? And she's like, yeah. And he says, do you mask your shame or your vulnerability with humor? And she's like, yeah, you know, but I suck things up and move on because otherwise I wouldn't get out of bed. And she says that this was actually someone she knew in the. That she has to actually see.

[Ben]

Yeah, this is terrible.

[Ronnie]

Kind of on the regular. Yeah, this was really. This is. And, you know, so sad.

[Ben]

We talk a lot about Bryn, you know, being a liar or compulsive liar, but I 100% believe her about this. I do not. I don't think she's lying about this. And I think this is so up that basically she's like, this is someone she sees and someone she knows, but she knows would be her word versus his word. Her, like, she would never be able to have no case. And this happens to so many women, and it's, like, horrifying, terrifying. It's a terrible, terrible thing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then she's like, you know. You know, the ladies are all standing up for her in this moment. And Uba's crying, listening to it. And Jenna's like, you know, you've seen women that step up and stand up and stand out and they're vilified, or people say they dress much too sexual, and it puts the woman who's been offended on trial. You know, it's not as easy as just telling on the guy. So Andy asks Uba why she's crying and she. She's like, you know, like, it's hard if you know the person. She goes, you know, like, you. Like, she said you could commit a crime. And she's like, yeah, you know, so this is all super sad. And the ladies, I think, did a fairly good job of just standing up for her in that moment, even though she's an. You know. Yeah. They're like. It's, like, nice to be able to separate it.

[Ben]

Yeah. And. And you have to. And so then Andy. So, okay, so we got a commercial break. So we have, like, okay, you know, sad segment over. And Andy's like, all right, we're back.

[Bryn]

With the Real House of New York. Andy going, okay, so honey nut from J wants to know, how are things going with Oliver?

[Ronnie]

I'm good. And she has moved in. She got rid of her apartment. And she's like, it was so expensive, and I had water damage. I was like, well, that's. That's a good reason. And she talks about her f. Fibroids. She's going to get that taken care of. And I'm just gonna have to fast forward through here because some of you.

[Ben]

Want to talk about fibroids.

[Ronnie]

I just. This whole. This whole show, I'm like, why are we talking, like, everything. They're talking.

[Ben]

So then we go to Andy talking about. He's asking Brynn about Gideon and. And, like, the. The eggs. And she's like, yeah, well, you know.

[Bryn]

It'S like, really hard to, like, catch him because it was like, circle. It's like us circling the airport. Like, circling the airport. It's like the same thing. Like, he's been in London twice, and we've been in London the same time. And then we have a schedule appointed. Then he goes to San Trope.

[Ben]

I'm like, girl, he doesn't want to do this.

[Ronnie]

He doesn't want to be tied to you with your fucking baby so you can. He can support your baby for the rest of his life. No, I don't blame him. It's so crazy that, like, your ex, that you want to take his sperm because he's rich, doesn't want you to do it. That's nuts. I can't believe he's putting you off, Bryn.

[Ben]

He does.

[Ronnie]

Weirdo.

[Ben]

He was not going to be the bad guy on tv, so he said yes, but he absolutely is not going to do this because he knows it's not just as simple as, like, oh, you're. He's donating sperm now. He's going to be roped in for the baby. He just does not want anything to do with it. And you know, he's a dick for saying yes when. Because by the way, guys do this. I have a friend who this happened to where he was like, yeah, sure, I'm. I'll. I will do this. And then like the night before, like, the, the procedure of, like, of the. The ivf, he was like, no, I don't consent to this anymore. And the whole thing had to be canceled. My friend was out of like $50,000. Didn't have the baby. Never had a baby as a result of that.

[Ronnie]

Yikes.

[Ben]

Yeah. So guys do this and it's. And I'm like, bryn, just, honestly, just go to the sperm bank. Just find someone. Yeah, I don't care what Phaedra Park. I don't care what Phaedra park says.

[Ronnie]

I like that Aaron. Aaron just goes, just get us come at some point.

[Jenna]

BR's like, God, you're really on one today.

[Ben]

She kind of has a point, you know?

[Ronnie]

And Jenna's like, I don't disagree. Like, since when is it hard to just get a man's come? Like, they literally come 20 times a day, you know?

[Jenna]

And Bryn's like, well, I think I'm still holding out mouth. I am helpful and Uber gave me great advice. Thank you, Uma. She said, pray and wait.

[Ronnie]

And Andy's like, jessel, you were dead.

[Jenna]

Set on having a baby girl.

[Ronnie]

You know that they're. They're putting it on pause. And then a question from water from bottle says, does puppet have a tapeworm?

[Jenna]

Why is the man eating all the time?

[Ronnie]

So, you know, basically he had to apologize because he was being rude to her while they're. She's trying to have a serious conversation or therapy or whatever, and he's sitting, they're eating. So they talk about that a little bit. And then jle says they like, basically bone once or twice a week now because, you know, they're on a schedule.

[Ben]

It really helps a lot, Andy. So Andy's like, all right, by the.

[Bryn]

Way, you've had quite a glow up since last season, which is my new modern way of saying, so do you have new bibs?

[Ronnie]

So I know he's like, we really.

[Jenna]

Changed the format of this show, so I'm not allowed to say, do you have new boobs anymore? So now I just say, you look really airbrushed. Is it new boobs?

[Bryn]

Hold on one second. There's someone at my door.

[Ben]

One second.

[Bryn]

Even though I have my do not disturb up one second.

[Ronnie]

Ding dong.

[Jenna]

Oh, here it is. Our special Guest.

[Ronnie]

New pubes.

[Jenna]

Welcome. Welcome to the stage. What do you think of fried chicken? Do you like it as much as bon me? Tell us all about it. New bibes.

[Ronnie]

So basically, Jessel's like, oh, I don't know. I mean, I think I cut my hair and I lost my weight. I lost weight.

[Jenna]

Did you put the lost weight in your pubes?

[Ronnie]

Was I heinous before? I mean, was I just ugly before? Why is everyone acting shocked that I look pretty today? He's like, no, no.

[Jenna]

Bryn, what has she done to herself? Please say it rhymes with moon noobs.

[Bryn]

I introduced her to the person who did the thing to herself.

[Ben]

And Jessel's like, I mean, I've done Botox since I was 26, because, like, once you crumple a piece of paper, it's hard to iron it out again. Am I right?

[Bryn]

And he's like, okay, keep going. What else?

[Ben]

She's like, what?

[Bryn]

What else is new?

[Ben]

Well, you know. Are you telling me I did more just than that?

[Jenna]

I mean, yeah, you did more and then ran out and got numer.

[Ronnie]

She's like, what are you talking about? I do Botox and filler. And Andy's like, wait, are you saying she didn't pay?

[Jenna]

Like, she ran out in the dark of night.

[Ronnie]

And friend's like, no, she didn't pay. And friend. Just shut up. Like, you're in so much trouble for your and your lies and your slander. Can you just be quiet? Like, do yourself a favor, man.

[Jenna]

It's like, no, she didn't pay for it.

[Ronnie]

And just was like, are you absolutely insane? You think I didn't talk to her about what our agreement was? You think I. I mean. And Aaron's like, did you post about it?

[Bryn]

She.

[Ronnie]

Yes, we did a video together. It's on her page.

[Bryn]

Well, with all due, I'm still trying to ask you.

[Ben]

What?

[Bryn]

Why do you look so different this season?

[Ben]

It's just. She goes Botox and filler.

[Bryn]

Oh, at first I thought it was just a little Botox.

[Ben]

No, but.

[Bryn]

And then Brink is a sprinkle of box.

[Ben]

But I wasn't done yet. I hadn't finished my sentence yet. Okay, so I. I wasn't done with my sentence, and I don't know why I'm being attacked for. He's like, oh, okay.

[Bryn]

Well, you had said. I thought you were saying I had Botox, period.

[Ben]

No, I had Botox, comma, and I got filler gonna take care of my skin. Lots of water, and I lost some weight.

[Bryn]

Is that the period?

[Ronnie]

Here's the only. Here's the only answer you need. None of your business. How about that? Can we just start saying that? How about none of my business? Okay, this is my body, and I can do what the I want to with it, you weirdo. And by the way, you should try it. Try. Try a little shoty shots in the head. Everybody should do it. So jle, you know, they go on and on about this, and now they're kind of trying to insinuate that she's trying to lie, but I just didn't get it. I didn't think she was.

[Jenna]

So he's like, okay, moving on. So what was your reaction to your new boobs that you got?

[Ronnie]

She's like, God damn it, Andy.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, let's talk about the conversation by the pool.

[Ronnie]

So we see where Bren and Sign Aaron are talking by the pool about. About Jessel's. When brain is saying, oh, we were.

[Jenna]

Talking about who the love of our lives were, and Jessel said it was her ex.

[Ronnie]

And Jessel's like, I was really disappointed. I mean, two steps forward, five steps back, in my opinion.

[Jenna]

Well, I want to apologize for that.

[Ronnie]

She goes, slice this. I want to apologize.

[Jenna]

And Brent's like, also, it wasn't the love of your life.

[Ben]

And Justin's like, she's like, guys, guys, let me talk to you for a second. You distorted my words. I never said that. That conversation that we had that she was referring to was talking about the craziest hookup we ever had. And like, then she twists into sorts my words and say that I was talking about the love of my life, who is my husband of 10 years.

[Bryn]

And the father of my awful, awful, wild children.

[Ben]

So imagine having to sit there with poppet on the couch, having him be so sad while he eats the tortilla chips over and over and over again.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, this is really bad. And Bryn's like, I'm sorry. And she's like, no, you for one second, let me talk. You know, I had to say there. I was destroyed. And I called Uber. And I was like, did I say that? Like, what the are you talking about? Fact check, Bryn. Check your facts. And Prince, just like.

[Ben]

This is the problem with you. You don't even know what you're talking about ever. You're, like, not married. I had to sit there and watch that with him. He was so up and just says that. He was, like, really quiet the whole episode, but again, he was probably eating up on me. And Jessel's like, he doesn't get upset. He's A strong guy. And I was like, I don't know what she's talking about. And he thought I was lying. And he was like, why would you say that now? Not only that, my family has to watch that shit. My friends had to watch that shit. It's fucked up. And walk into my dressing room, you're like, oh, hi. And I'm. And I'm like, quiet. And then you're like, why are you being cryptic? Do you not know what you did? And I was like, good job, Jessel.

[Ronnie]

You.

[Ben]

She just really laid into her in a really clear, cogent way. And that's exactly what needed to be said to Bryn.

[Ronnie]

And Bryn's like a whoopsie.

[Jenna]

I didn't know it had that effect.

[Ronnie]

What did you think it was going to do?

[Jenna]

It's like, first of all, I'm so sorry. And there's no sorry. I mean, it's horrible. But when I watched it back two days ago, I was literally like, oh, my God, it wasn't that conversation.

[Ben]

And she's like, and you didn't, you didn't think to even text to say I'm sorry?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I was sitting.

[Jenna]

There with Aaron and Sai being like, I miss Aaron and Sai. Like, I miss being friends with them. And it's like, not a bond.

[Ronnie]

And she goes, yeah, because you have a bond talking about me. And then we see a flashback to.

[Jenna]

Bryn being like, it's up that we have a bond. Talking about Jessel that.

[Ben]

And this is like pathetic and sad and like really fucking cruel. Like, that's the type of person that you are. I'm questioning your character to my core. I always uplift you and I'm always like, you look amazing. I'm so proud of you. And all you do is fucking beat me down. And I'm sick of it. In this entire season, every single comment that comes out of your fucking mouth. Desperate gesture. She has no taste, like, how am I supposed to be her friend now? That was the needle in the coffin for me. And even though that isn't the expression, I'll just say it was the needle in the coffin.

[Ronnie]

All those needle coffins. And Jenna's like, yeah, I'm just. I'm just so upset even sitting next to her, you know, and I didn't know that wasn't true. And like, you put something like that on national television, I mean, wow, Cass would kill you. And, you know, you don't defend it. You don't need to say anything. Just apologize and be quiet. And, you know And I was like, wow, who wears this? Jenna. God. Put that woman in a bathrobe and watch. Watch her go. I loved it.

[Ben]

Yeah. She was like. And she was like.

[Bryn]

Because Bryn was like.

[Ben]

She's like, no, you don't need to defend it. You don't need to say anything. Just apologize and be quiet because that sucks. It's not okay. And the fact that she has to sit next to her husband and defend herself, it's damaging. It's not the kind of thing to do to somebody. I mean, the only thing worse is, I don't know, making them go to a Jeff Bezos party. But I really can't think of anything much worse.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And Brent's like, but I didn't know.

[Jenna]

I'm sorry.

[Ronnie]

She goes, yes, you did. Yes, you did know. That's up. I was like, whoa. Well, Jenna finally came out to play. That's nice. It only took two years, but you're welcome to be here. I mean, damn.

[Ben]

Yeah. Nice job. So that was basically it.

[Ronnie]

So next week is going to get real crazy, I guess, because next week they're going to get into the real meat and patatas. Everybody, thanks so much for being here. We will see you Fri Saturday night at town hall for the golden crappie awards. If. If you can't be there, stream it. Tickets are available over on watch crappin.com. go listen to traders recaps on patreon. Thanks for being here on video on patreon. We love you guys. And watch us on watch what happens Thursday night after southern charm as bartenders with Patricia and Austin. We love you guys.

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I love a y'all. Olivia Williamson. Tastier than Flanderson. It's Rachel Manderson.

[Ben]

Have a heck of a time with Rebecca. She sure is swell.

[Ronnie]

It's Raquel, yes, we do Hannah. It's Savannah.

[Ben]

Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. The Bay Area and our super Premium.

[Ronnie]

Sponsors she's VVIP it's Amanda V. Somebody.

[Ben]

Get us 10cc's of Betsy MD she's got a leg up. It's Beth Ani we're taking the gold.

[Ronnie]

With Brenda Silva don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without.

[Ben]

The Emily sides Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish she's not hard harsh She's Jill Hirsch She's a little bit loony Juni, my Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo we love him madly It's Kyle Pod.

[Ronnie]

Shadley let's go on a bender with.

[Ben]

Lauren Fender we're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthy always killing it It's Lola.

[Ronnie]

Al Kalani the incredible edible Matthew sisters She eases our woes It's Melissa St.

[Ben]

Rose Give him hell, Ms. Noel Put.

[Ronnie]

On a cat medal for Rebecca Weddle.

[Ben]

She'S the queen bee It's Sarah Lemke Shannon out of a cannon Anthony. Let's take off with Tamla Plain she.

[Ronnie]

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