#2712 Southern Charm S10E08 Part Two: Garshbitration

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2712: Southern Charm S10E08 Part Two: Garshbitration

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: January 31, 2025
Podcast: Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2712 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest episode of Bravo's Southern Charm, titled "Garshbitration." This two-part recap explores the tumultuous relationships, dramatic confrontations, and the ever-entertaining antics of the show's cast. As always, Ben and Ronnie blend humor with insightful critiques, providing listeners with both laughter and thoughtful commentary on the unfolding drama.

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Patricia and Randy's Champagne Antics

The episode kicks off with a vivid recounting of Patricia tormenting Randy in her luxurious home. Randy struggles to pour champagne while being hindered by a chain around his ankle, a scenario that sets the tone for the day's mockery.

Ben (01:20): "Hey, Molly, if you want to go up a size in the boobies, we can take some fat out of Randy's ankles. I've been working real hard on them."

Ronnie (02:10): "Hey, Randy, do me a favor. Give me your finger for a second. You got something on that?"

Patricia's relentless demands for champagne escalate to absurd levels, highlighting the exaggerated tensions within the cast.

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Madison's Multitasking Mayhem

Transitioning to Madison's over-the-top requests, Ben and Ronnie depict her asking Randy to perform increasingly ridiculous tasks, such as balancing champagne glasses on his nose while navigating a beach ball up the stairs.

Ben (02:32): "Molly, we'll take some fat out of Randy's brain and inject it right into your kisser."

Madison's antics serve as a comedic focal point, emphasizing the show's penchant for creating larger-than-life scenarios.

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Behind the Scenes: Meeting the Producers

In a shift from on-screen drama, Ronnie shares their experience meeting the producers of Southern Charm.

Ronnie (06:53): "Is there no HR on this show? How is Whitney being the gatekeeper of every girl getting cast on this show?"

Their interaction reveals behind-the-scenes insights, questioning the casting processes and the role of key figures like Whitney.

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The Craig-Austin Dilemma

A significant portion of the episode centers on the strained friendship between Craig, Austin, and Shep. Ben and Ronnie dissect a heated conversation where Craig attempts to mediate his fallout with Austin.

Ben (09:50): "Partner for $30,000? That is so insulting. That is so rude."

The hosts express their disapproval of Craig's lowball offer to buy out his podcast partner, highlighting the tension and potential dissolution of the partnership.

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Relationships Under Scrutiny

Ben and Ronnie delve into the complexities of the relationships portrayed in the episode, particularly focusing on Craig's inability to balance personal friendships with professional endeavors.

Ronnie (15:01): "We have Vanita. She's sitting there... you have something on that? We're team Paige."

Their analysis underscores the recurring theme of male antagonism towards female cast members, challenging the audience to reassess their perceptions.

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Vanita and JT's Culinary Clash

The hosts shift their attention to Vanita's interactions with JT, showcasing a scenario where Vanita's cooking is both praised and criticized.

Ronnie (38:56): "She had to cook for this. You could have at least taken her to dinner. You suck. JT. You suck."

Ben and Ronnie lament Vanita's treatment on the show, criticizing how her culinary efforts are met with humiliation rather than appreciation.

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Host Commentary and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject their own humorous and critical perspectives:

• On Craig's Character:

  Ben (16:16): "I think he's hoping it's going to rub off on him. But he somehow presents... It's so annoying."

• On Host-Show Dynamics:

  Ronnie (17:11): "We're giving them a lot of shit on the show because this show ultimately is about guys being douchebags."

Their commentary provides an entertaining yet critical lens through which listeners can view the show's dynamics.

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The Godfather Reference

In a lighthearted moment, the hosts debate the accuracy of a Godfather movie reference made by Craig during a critical scene.

Ben (26:01): "Actually, I hate to break it to you, Ronnie, Craig is right. The beginning is really Don Corleone sitting in his office at the wedding..."

This exchange adds a layer of pop culture humor, showcasing the hosts' camaraderie and shared knowledge.

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Confrontations and Emotional Outbursts

The episode highlights intense confrontations, particularly between Craig, Austin, and Shep, as they navigate their strained relationships.

Ben (30:43): "Part of being a self-realized human is being able to listen to constructive criticism..."

Ronnie (33:22): "We're talking about our friendship. But you do so much together... I'm just a boy. A boy with a heart."

These segments emphasize the emotional turmoil and the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst personal and professional pressures.

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Vanita's Undervalued Role

Ben and Ronnie express empathy for Vanita's predicament, where her intelligence and efforts are overshadowed by romantic entanglements and cast dynamics.

Ben (41:48): "Vanita is the only one who seems to actually have a brain around here... She doesn't deserve to be on this show."

Their defense of Vanita highlights issues of representation and fairness within the show's portrayal of its cast members.

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Conclusion

Episode #2712 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and humorous breakdown of Southern Charm's latest drama. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam adeptly navigate the tangled web of relationships, conflicts, and character flaws, providing listeners with an engaging and insightful recap. Their blend of sharp wit and genuine critique encourages audiences to both laugh and reflect on the dynamics presented in reality TV.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben (01:20): "Hey, Molly, if you want to go up a size in the boobies, we can take some fat out of Randy's ankles."

• Ronnie (06:53): "How is Whitney being the gatekeeper of every girl getting cast on this show?"

• Ben (09:50): "Partner for $30,000? That is so insulting. That is so rude."

• Ronnie (38:56): "You could have at least taken her to dinner. You suck. JT. You suck."

These quotes encapsulate the hosts' playful yet critical approach to dissecting the episode's content.

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Transcript

[Ben]

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[Keke Palmer]

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[Ben]

Guess what happens when there's so much that happens.

[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. Okay, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

[Ben]

So now we go over to Ms. Patricia's house where she is sitting upstairs and she has a bell and she is ringing it and tormenting Randy, who is trying ever so hard to pour some champagne into a glass.

[Ronnie]

And he has a terror a chain being dragged up the stairs. Randy comes in with a big clamp around his ankle. He's like, yes, ma'am. Randy, why'd you take so long? I told you to do some ankle workouts. You're never gonna do that. You're never gonna get up the stairs with that clamp around your ankle unless you start getting some core in Randy.

[Ben]

Hey, Molly, if you want go up a size in the boobies, we can take some fat out of Randy's ankles. I've been working real hard on them.

[Ronnie]

Hey, Molly, we'll take some fat out of Randy's brain and inject it right into your kisser.

[Ben]

So Randy brings Patricia some champagne all the way up the stairs, and then she's like, all right, now bring me five more. Just keep on bringing up the champagne till you trip and fall down the stairs. I just want a good laugh today.

[Ronnie]

Hey, Randy, do me a favor. Give me your finger for a second. You got something on that? Yes, ma'am. Please don't, ma'am. Randy. Here it goes. Look at those three little holes in the wall. We're just gonna act right there. That's good. You're excused. Now go get another round, stupid.

[Ben]

So Madison comes over and she. She goes upstairs like Randy. Okay, please bring up some champagne, this time in coops. Okay. And balance them on Your nose like a seal. And then also clap your hands. And also, is it possible to go up the stairs While also balancing on a beach ball? That for us, please? Thank you so much, Randy.

[Ronnie]

Hey, madison, will you hold these? These for me? What are they? I don't really know. They're a tool. Are these jumper cables? All right, hold down randy While we get these on his nipples. Okay. God, I love having a girl's day.

[Ben]

Randy, will you come to the top of the stairs, please? Okay. There he is. Madison, if you want to push him down, go ahead. Be my guest. It's real fun.

[Ronnie]

And she just gets that bell. She's like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Ben]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

How long do I have to ring a bell Before Randy comes up here? Randy's just coming. There's, like, smoke coming out of his hair from just being electrocuted. He's like, yes, ma'am. It's like you've never heard the sound of a bell before.

[Ben]

Hey, Randy, there's some exposed wires up there. Do you mind just licking them real quick, See if they're still alive? Lick them, Randy.

[Ronnie]

Put this in your mouth. Ma'am, that's a smoking radio. Do it.

[Ben]

Randy, I got you a bath toy. It's a toaster oven. Go try it out.

[Ronnie]

So they're having some champagne in bed, and they're talking about how to hold the glass to hold the temperature. And Patricia's like, I love a coupe. I mean, if there's one talent I possess, it's my ability to hold something by the stem.

[Ben]

You know, anytime I'm with patricia, Drinking out of a crystal glass, that's, like, about. That's about to break my wrist. I'm like, yeah, I am the queen of england in this canopy bed. Like, rip. I just dies happy. So, yeah, they're just, like, sitting there, and she's like, so what happened to randy, by the way? Did he get lost? Does he not know we went one room over? He's a real idiot, I gotta say.

[Ronnie]

Hey, you want to see? You want to play a new game? I love to play. It's called the poor people shake. Watch this. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yes, ma'am.

[Ben]

All right, now, you know you only eat caviar with mother of pearl. And by the way, my favorite thing to beat Randy with Is a mother of pearl spoon. It's just such a versatile thing.

[Ronnie]

I hope you enjoy eating from mother of pearl. I actually knew the mother of pearl, but, God, pearl was a dumb little hooker. Used every man she ever came across. Okay, so Madison's like, well, I got good stuff. I met ship's girlfriend Sienna, and I think she's lovely. I mean, she is. I mean, she's 26, you know, a lot of energy. Oh, wow. And any word on the stem cells? Well, her spine doesn't really have very good access. She does, like, wearing things that have back covers. Damn it.

[Ben]

So Sienna is. We see a clip of Sienna at, like, that dog party, and she's talking to everyone. She's like, oh, my God. Like, it's so funny. Like, my grandma is the one who actually set me up, because my grandma's pretty much, like, the president of, like, the Southern charm fan club in the Bahamas. Like, she just loves Southern Charm, so it's, like, hilarious. Yeah, she met. She set me up with shop. Anyway. Oh, my God. I know everything about you guys. I love watching you, by the way. You were so good two seasons ago. I have a question. Last season, when you got that dress, was that, like, did you get that at Gwen's? Because I'd love to go to Gwen's. Can someone take me to Gwen's? I want to just see all the sights.

[Ronnie]

I love that. She says she only did. She's only dating Shep as, like, a favorite. Her grandmother. That was so low and hilarious. And she's like, well, between you and me, she approached Whitney before. Oh, for Christ's sake. Of course she did. She had to go through the human resources penis to get on this show. You know, we know how this show works. They all go through Whitney first.

[Ben]

Dehumanizing resources. So Patricia said, golden gate douche.

[Ronnie]

Like, you have to go through there to get through anything. Jesus.

[Ben]

He said, don't tell anybody. He's gonna kill me. Don't worry. I'll just blame it on Randy.

[Ronnie]

So, you know, it was cool. The other night at Watch what happens, we got to meet the producers of Southern Charm, which was.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I mean, we met a lot of really cool people. We met the two chicks in the office. They're so nice and gorgeous and talent, you know, all that. But we actually got to meet the. The producers of this. They were such nice guys. Can I tell you? It was so cool talking to them. And I actually got nervous talking to them, and then I left. And God damn it. I had the chance to ask them the question I've always been dying to ask and I've never been able to ask, and I missed my chance. And that question is, is there no HR on this show? How. How Is this Whitney? How is this Whitney being the gatekeeper of every girl getting cast on this show? How is that still going on? Get me HR on the phone.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's a good. It's a good. Really great question. So, Madison, here's your contract for Southern Charm.

[Ronnie]

You can just sign this with my penis. Just go ahead and sign right here on the dotted line.

[Ben]

So, you know, when I was talking to Sienna, she was like, I would love to hang out with y'all again. And Patricia's like, so it sounds like she's working a lot of angles here. Stalker. I mean, to be fair, I feel like most this cast is stalkers. Like, Like, I think this is kind of like where stalkers go to get sanitized and, like, reintroduced into society.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she's like, well, where did she meet him in the first place? She goes, oh, I don't. It's some. Some application. It's for millionaires. Raya. She's like, rya, that's it. Stalker. And Madison's like, patricia's got the best gossip in town. That's why we've been best friends 16 years. If you can out gossip a hairdresser, you really got something special.

[Ben]

Yeah, seriously. So now we go to Craig on his car, and he's on the phone with Jerry, his business partner, and he's like, I want to talk about, like, Austin and the podcast. And, like, Shep is gonna mediate and, like, I want to, like, maybe buy out Austin. And Jerry is like, you know, offer somewhere between 35. I think it was a 35 was just 30,000. 30,000 and 50,000 somewhere like that as a lump sum payment. He's like, but go low.

[Ronnie]

5 and 50. Yeah. He's like, 35 and 50 is the lump lump one start loan. Craig's like, yeah, I'll give him 30.

[Ben]

Like, I'm sorry. That is wild. That's insane right now. It's insane. And I want to say this comment does not come from any sort of bias because we met Austin the other night. That is wild. They've had a podcast for a few years. They're both celebrities. There's so there's value in this podcast. And you're gonna buy out your partner. Partner for $30,000? That is so insulting. That is so rude.

[Ronnie]

It's so insulting. Just to be like, I'm gonna. We got in a fight. So now I'm kicking my partner off the show. That's bizarre.

[Ben]

I can't imagine that lowballing, too. And, like, you're gonna talk about how successful you are, and then you're gonna offer only $30,000. That's like a. I. I think that was a. It should be six figures for. For the. For those two people. For something like that. Six figures at least. That was so shitty.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Why don't you just start your own podcast called Pillow Queen? Just do that. I mean, if you're so confident in your popularity and you're this and you're everything in the podcast and people are only there for you, just have one for yourself called Pillow Queen. Like, who cares?

[Ben]

Call it down. I'm down. Call it. I'm down. Get it. Get it. Because of Pillow Feathers and stuff.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Gotcha.

[Ben]

Actually, what? For Craig? It should be called Sham. That is good. That is really good.

[Ronnie]

Sham.

[Ben]

So Sham. Sham Goddess.

[Ronnie]

Sham Goddess. He's like, hey, Sham Goddess, I'll buy you out for $5. All right. So Craig goes to pick up Shep, and they shake hands awkwardly and start laughing. And Shep's like, wow, I really had a tough one. Cause I'm just a good little. I'm not some douchebag. I'm just a good little boy with feelings. Date me again, America. And he's like, what's going on? He's like, yeah, this morning I got a text from Sierra, and she's like, good morning, with a big smiley face. And I'm like, are we happy this morning? I sent you those pair of tidy whities with my name signed on them for your grandma. I hope we're made up now.

[Ben]

Well, you guys are still pretty new. Paige and I are coming on three years, but it's been a lot of hard work, and you're gonna have to deal with the shit from her. Luckily, I'm in my forever relationship, so she was like, oh, I know. And it's worth giving it a try, because the feelings you have for her don't come around that often. Do you think Paige would be upset if I offered her $30,000 to buy her out of our. So I can just take over the relationship for myself?

[Ronnie]

It's like, yes, it's worth giving it a try in relationships because, you know, the feelings you have for her don't come around often. Sure, you might get hurt, but it's worth it. He's like, well, I'm okay with getting hurt. I really am. I'm just a boy. A boy with a heart. A heart that can get broken. America.

[Ben]

I'm just a boy standing in front of a girl, asking her, where are you?

[Ronnie]

Your grandma just sent me A topless picture of herself, and I don't know what to do about it. Please text me back.

[Ben]

Oh, my God, there's something on the windshield. Sorry. Someone just threw Free Dockers at me.

[Ronnie]

So all you want are beautiful babies in the Bahamian house or you're gonna go into some deep, dark depression that you'll pull me into, and then we're gonna have to go to bars to meet girls. Please don't do that to me.

[Ben]

Craig's advice is pretty good. Honestly, I think he's got Austin beat in that arena. By the way, I had lunch with Austin, and you know, he's cynical about. About relationships. Dude, like, you're not so not as much, but, like, you can be a realist. That's why I appreciate bouncing things off of you. Like, look, I got a rock. Let me bounce it off your head.

[Ronnie]

Ow.

[Ben]

Ow. Why'd you do that?

[Ronnie]

I was trying to bounce it. Rocks don't bounce, by the way. They skip. All right, so that was a bad analogy. Yeah. You know, I'm a realist. You know, so I date someone in a different state who doesn't want marriage or children, and then I just say every day you want to have marriage and children at this state that you hate on a show filled with people that also hate you. Does that sound fun? You know me in realism.

[Ben]

Speaking of Austin, also, I'm sorry to interrupt you.

[Ronnie]

Ben. I know you're not. I know you're not shocked that I did it, but I'm really sorry to interrupt you. I just want to interject here. It. One part of standing behind the bar that's really hard is not being able to interject when they're talking in the guest chairs and when they're like, oh, my God, Paige is so mean to Craig. Yeah, I deserve so much better. Get the out of here. Team Paige 100%. She never lied to that guy. And I hate that we all expect the woman to have to pick up all of her and move to Charleston. Everybody there hates her. No one on that show is nice to her. Why would she want to move there? It's not like you guys made it the most welcome place. I don't blame her for getting the hell out of there. And if he can't bend a little bit and think, wow, you know where else could use a pillow store? New York City. Why don't I put a Craig's pillow store in New York City? There's tons of tourists there that watch Bravo. Put it right by watch what happens or some shit. I mean, the fact that he wouldn't even try to come up with any way to make that work for her. I'm not going to sit here and feel bad for Craig. Get out of here.

[Ben]

Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. That's a really good point, because we had to stand there. And while they were saying that, that. That while Patricia said that Paige was mean to Craig. No, she was just exasperated by him. And if she was mean to Craig, then you know what? She deserved to be, because he is ridiculous. We have. We are. I am totally team Paige. We are team Paige. And you know what? If she is dating this new guy that she went to the football game with, God fucking bless.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. God forbid. You know? So anyway, it's just annoying because on this show, they're always like, the women are so mean to the men. No, this whole show is about women. It's about men being douchebags to the women. And look at this year. You've got a whole line of new ones that you guys get to just abuse and treat like shit for the next three years until you fire them, too, you know, as you shrivel up and still keep doing your same old bullshit. So, yeah, I'm not going to jump on that whole, like, oh, and she was also like, yeah, you know, Paige was mean to Craig. And also Naomi was mean to Craig. I was like, well, maybe the problem.

[Ben]

That was my favorite thing.

[Ronnie]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like getting. It's like calling people out for getting mad that jars are too hard to open. Jars are hard to open. Make them easier to open. You know what I mean?

[Ben]

I think that Craig probably goes for women who are, like, smart, because he's not smart. So I think he's hoping it's going to rub off on him. And he, like, does. He somehow presents. He puts on his charm. But Sana's facade, he bamboozles them. They're like, oh, my goodness, this is. I have, like, a golden retriever. And then what happens is that they realize that, oh, this is a golden retriever, but this golden retriever shits everywhere. And I'm sick of picking up its poop and they get ground down. And I always. I always empathize with Naomi being so frustrated with Craig sewing all day. And you know me, I like to sew. I get the sewing thing. But it's that Craig was talking about how he's going to law school, he's gonna do something, and instead he's sewing. And it's great that he turned to sewing into Something, but, like, I felt like he was always feeding Naomi a line of bullshit, and she had every right to be totally, totally exasperated by him.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's just frustrating watching the audience react sometimes where they're just like, what a bitch Paige is. Because we've seen what a little bitch Craig is for years and what a compulsive liar he is. And still everyone's like, oh, he's so perfect. And actually, you know, like, we give them a lot of shit on the show because this show ultimately is about guys being douchebag. Like, let's face it, it started with Thomas, Whitney, and Shep. You know what I mean? So that's what it's about. And I get that. And I actually have grown to like Craig. You know, I really like Craig. I think he's a sweet guy. He's really charming, he's really good looking, and he does have a lot going for him. But this whole, like, let's just not villainize the chick because, you know, Craig's so cute and has a nice smile is really fucking annoying. People need to stop doing it. And he deserves to get what he wants, but he has to also find somebody who wants what he wants. He can't just. He's not so entitled that he just gets it from anybody he wants, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah, no, Craig is really nice. And.

[Ronnie]

But.

[Ben]

But that being said, he's not perfect. And I don't think that Paige should ever be vilified because as nice as. As nice as Craig is, I still am always going to be a team page in this situation. Always.

[Ronnie]

So then we go to blah, blah, blah. Okay, so Chef's like, yeah, I had lunch with Austin, you know, and after I wiped the cracker. The cracker crumb eyes while he was talking. You know, he's so cynical about relationships. Thank God for you. And he's like, yeah, well, speaking of him, I need you to come mediate because we're gonna have to have a really long talk, me and Austin, and you can be honest. Since when is Shep being honest? Shep thinks the same thing that Austin does. And you two have been teaming up against Shep for the past year, and now all of a sudden, Shep's your best friend that you need in your corner. The show is going to give me whiplash. It's whiplash.

[Ben]

Well, you're gonna have to give a little bit, Craig, cuz you're not like, you're not right all the time. Only I am. Craig's like, well, that's why you're Coming because I brought you to ask the hard questions. He's like, well, I think Craig and Austin are closest when Austin does what Craig tells him to do. And if Austin falls out of line, there's problems. But, like, if we can't empathize with each other's points of view, then are we really friends to begin with? That's a great question to ask yourself in literally every single season that we've ever watched.

[Ronnie]

So, look, I don't want to, like, grease the wheels by, like, reminding you that only one of us at this table is hooked up with your ex. Okay? But I'm just saying, like, I'm not trying to bribe the judge or the mediator, but, yeah, he, like, probably your girlfriend, so. Yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah. But also, only one person in this trio got the love and attention of Kelsey Ballerini. Okay. And I don't think Shep has ever forgotten. That's true.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I think. I think they're like housewives. Well, they will always remember the first major slight, and Shep will always come for Craig because of that. Because even at this mediated dinner, Shep comes for Craig. He's like, okay, Craig, I'm there to help you. We do think you're a narcissist. Am I helping?

[Ben]

I hope that Kelsey Ballerini had the worst date of her life with you. Gosh.

[Ronnie]

Wow. That really took you a long time to start that one up, huh?

[Ben]

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[Ben]

Well, I want to be good with Craig because this is Austin speaking again. Okay, because now I'm at a table. I'm at the this time I'm at Holy City Brewery. Huh. I want to be good with Craig and I don't want to be at odds. It feels like Craig and I have been skirting around the issue for far too long and let's just cut through this. Let's just talk, man. Like, it's gotten to a point where there's, like, nothing else to be said other than exactly what the issue is for both of us.

[Ronnie]

And then Shep walks in with Craig, and Austin just crosses his arm, and he's like, oh.

[Ben]

Just sprays the table with spit.

[Ronnie]

He's doing, like, a full. He's, like, mouthing a full monologue to himself just with his tongue and his. His teeth. He's so mad. He's like, what the. Of course Greg shows up with Ship, his new, like, bestie all of a sudden. I haven't seen them show up anywhere together in three years. Like, coming to meet me. Craig has a partner in arms, which is. Wow. More chess games from Craig. I said it. Partner in arms. I'm an intelligent person.

[Ben]

We shall see it. Are you gonna start this like the Godfather? Like, thank you for joining me, because, by the way, you know, I've never seen the Godfather. I was like, that's not surprising whatsoever. Not surprising.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, has Paige seen the Godfather? He's like, yeah, she doesn't know. I've never seen it. Please don't tell her, because sometimes, just to impress her, we walk into restaurants, and I'm like, wow, this is the beginning of the Godfather.

[Ben]

I say, take the cannoli. Leave the pillow. So chef is like, we can't.

[Ronnie]

We can't skip over this, because this is so good. I've never seen the Godfather. She doesn't know I've never seen it. So you've even lied about that? You've even lied about seeing the fucking Godfather to your girlfriend? I mean, come on, man.

[Ben]

She probably knows. Probably. When she said, craig, I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse. He's like, what if I refuse it? No, Craig, you don't have to say anything to it. It was a joke in and of itself. What? Also this movie.

[Ronnie]

Also every time he's like. It's like the beginning of the Godfather. It never is. You know what I mean? The Godfather starts at a wedding, sir. Okay. It's a pretty specific opening. This is like the opening to the Godfather, Craig.

[Ben]

Actually. Actually, I hate to break it to you, Ronnie, Craig is right. The beginning is really Don Corleone sitting in his office at the wedding, and the guy comes in, corleone, you got to help me. And it's, like, all dark, and then they go out to the wedding outside.

[Ronnie]

Oh, you're right. Yeah. Okay. Well, wow. Don't tell Paige, but I don't think.

[Ben]

That Craig knew that, by the way. I think that was a pure guess that Craig was, like, watching Godfathers.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I thought it was the wedding, and then somebody comes in to talk to Don Corleone, and they go back out to the wedding.

[Ben]

I've never seen Godfather Part 3. I actually only watched Godfather Part 2, like, three years. I think I talked about on the podcast. I was like, guys, I watched The Godfather Part 2.

[Ronnie]

I watched the Godfather Part 1 because I was watching that TV show where they. It's about the making of the Godfather. It's good. That's a good show, by the way. I forget what it's called Godfather is.

[Ben]

Can I say something? The Godfather is so good. I know it's good. I think I'm probably the first person who's ever realized this. The Godfather is, like, so good.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[Ben]

It's a good one.

[Ronnie]

And guess what, Team Diane Keaton. So in case you think that our attitude only goes for Southern charm, don't worry. It accepts the Godfather. Yeah. The original page. Everyone's like, oh, my God. Fuck Diane Keat. And what a. Take her kids away from her. Like, no, actually, she had a point.

[Ben]

Why?

[Ronnie]

Why should she have to marry Al Pacino and put up with his murdering. You know, they're like, he's just a man. He's like, but look at me. I'm crying. I'm crying. I've got feelings. Like, shut up, Shep. You know? Yeah.

[Ben]

Just. Yeah, grow up. You know what? When that door closed on Diane Keaton's face at the end, I was like, ging. It's always the woman who suffers.

[Ronnie]

I wish when Peg, when Paige broke up with Craig, she just left a horse head in his bed. He's like, well, is there a horse head in my bed? What's this from?

[Ben]

It's actually a pashmina. It's a pashmina. It's on trend, but I don't think you would think it's a horse head, you idiot. The point is, Craig is not seeing the Godfather, and Chef is like, gosh, I've seen the Garch Father. And I think you have to watch it at, like, your Italian bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah. Oh, gosh.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's Italian. And Chef's like, she's Italian, though, so of course she's seen it. You know, Craig's like, yeah, they love that. And he's like, yeah, I think you have to watch it, like your. Your Italian bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah. Oh, gosh.

[Ben]

All Right. What's that? What's a bar mitzvah?

[Ronnie]

Well, you know, it's like, we have. You know, when we're 13, we have our garsh mitzvahs.

[Ben]

You know, it's like Fiddler on the Roof. Oh, don't tell Paige. I haven't seen Fiddler on the Roof either.

[Ronnie]

So Austin and I were just, like, not great at expressing like. Or saying the tough stuff. You know, like that sentence, for example. But you guys are so close. You should be able to do it. I mean, you just took a piece of spinach dip to the eye. Craig, you should be able to say. Say whatever's on your mind. I was like, sorry, did I do that? Like, putting up his hand to guard his mouth.

[Ben]

So here comes some tough stuff. I'm gonna make an offer to Austin he can't refuse. Did I do it right? Okay, I have a proposal. I was like, oh, God. He's like, maybe we give you 30 grand, but, like, I keep ownership of it since, like, oh, my God. Oh. Oh, no. Like, no, I'm not. First of all, no. And second of all, I'm not thinking about the podcast. And also, third of all, that's a real lowball figure. Oh, God.

[Ronnie]

No, But I like that Austin didn't even get into that. He's like, I thought we were here to talk about our friendship, and you're already, like, going to business, and Greg's like, what do you want from me? Well, what about, like, I don't know, just, like, friendship, wife? What's going on with that? With all of us? Well, like, I thought we were fine, you know? But you did this. You came to my house and you started this, and all I've done is respond. You were in my home where fireplaces come on at the switch of an iPhone button.

[Ben]

Yeah, and he's like. And Austin is basically like, yeah. I mean, like, Craig, it was telling. It was. It was me telling you that you've lost track of your interpersonal relationships. I'm trying to have you find some balance, dude. That's all that I wanted you to do. Like, instead, you took your ball and you went home with it. Okay, like, man can just think about all the things that you've done since that conversation.

[Ronnie]

Well, like, what have I done? He's like, you threw a party. You threw a party and didn't invite me. He's like, well, but I felt betrayed, though. That's why I did that. Yeah, but he's saying that you did things in retaliation for one stupid little thing. And he's like, yeah, but I was retaliating, Craig. Somebody's like, I'm just disappointed. Oh, I'm just disappointed to hear you say that, man. He's like, but we do so much together. We work out, we do podcasts, we do lunches, we go out to the gym. I'm like, what more do you want from me?

[Ben]

Ship. I mean, it's like talking to a brick wall. And Craig's like, mediator. What is unclear? Like, I don't get it. Well, I think there is a part of Austin and I that thought that it was, like, all, like, a PR thing. Like, oh, I. Like, I've got to do this if I want my business to flourish, I have to be squeaky clean. Well, yeah, well, that's okay. Like, if you're saying, like, oh, I have a successful business. I have to maintain a good image for myself, that's okay to do, Shep. I mean, not at the expense of a friendship, but, like, you're allowed to do that too.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that hung me up is the same thing as you, when it was like, yeah, but you were supposed to go golfing with me, and you also canceled that. And that's not necessarily about being wasted. Although every man knows, even the gay ones, that golf is kind of about being wasted. That's just like, day wasted, you know? So that kind of hangs me up, too, because part of me is just like, yeah, but. But if you go to the gym and to lunches and do your podcast with people, that is spending time together. You know what I mean? I think so. I'm still on that, where I think that Craig is spending time with him and they're being unreasonable because they just want him to be out at bars with them because he probably pulls the best ass out there, and they get the residual flow off.

[Ben]

I. Yes, I agree with all this. It's like, such a. It's like, I kind of agree with all the points that are happening in this conversation because I think everyone kind of has a valid point and because their friendship is changing. But I think probably for. For. For Austin and Shep, the strongest point that they should make, I believe, is that it feels like now the friendship is only on Craig's terms. Like, they can only hang out with him when he says that, that they can hang out, and it has to be at his place, and if they make plans, he bails on them. Or it's like, only during these sanction times of, like, gym or whatever. And I think if they Stuck with that. I think if you talk about like, oh, we think you're trying to be squeaky clean for your business, I don't think that's like a fair thing to say. Like, you may feel like they may feel it, but I don't think you're going to win the argument by saying that. But I do think that like it's. If you say we don't feel like we have a say in this friendship, which makes us feel like we're being used or whatever, I think that's. That would be their strongest path forward.

[Ronnie]

And they actually do kind of get there in this conversation. Right. Because Craig's like, you know, they're like, this is our version of friendship. This is my version of friendship. And Craig's like, well, my version is not bailing on each other, like all the ups and downs, you know, like, like I've been a great friend to you and that's why I'm taking aback when you came to my pool and said, I don't feel like you're a good friend anymore. Like, that hurt my feelings. Yeah, but you're the one bailing because you're literally trying to drop legal papers to kick him out of your life. Like, that's nuts.

[Ben]

Yeah. By the way, and in the middle of this chap goes, part of being a self realized human is being to being able to listen to constructive criticism and to really take it in and maybe realize that some people have a point. Like, yeah, Shep, a poster child of a self realized human being.

[Ronnie]

Well, if we can always see it when it's somebody else we're talking about, eh? By the way, I love in our video today that I'm Danny DeVito to your Arnold Schwarzenegger. Look at our size differences.

[Ben]

Why am I so tall? Also, I have a question. I was going to ask you about this.

[Ronnie]

I feel like the entity of this recap.

[Ben]

Your background is so beautifully blurred. Like you got that good bokeh effect, I think they call it. How did, how do you. Is that just naturally happening or is. Did you put something on? Because I cannot for the life of me get that nice effect on my camera.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. Oh, you know why? Because I'm using the laptop camera and they have something called portrait mode, like your phone. Like it takes the portrait mode on your phone and so it blurs out the background. But I would like everybody to know there are no filters on my face. This is all me.

[Ben]

My laptop doesn't have it. Instead I have for some reason a puke green tone that's just washing over my entire screen. It's lovely.

[Ronnie]

That's so weird because I actually went to a bar in Charleston called.

[Ben]

Green Brewery. Yeah. I literally am the color scheme of frog and toad right now.

[Ronnie]

You're not. You look very handsome. You always look very handsome. And you look way hotter on tv. I was like, yes, Ben.

[Ben]

Oh, thank you. Wow. You know, I haven't even watched our episode yet. I'm like, I did.

[Ronnie]

I masturbated to it. I'm just kidding. I didn't. That's so disgusting. I did not. I was watching with my friend Kimberly.

[Ben]

I, I, I saw the pictures because I was honestly upfront, felt very self conscious about how I looked. I felt like I wore the wrong shoes by accident. And they don't see the shoes.

[Ronnie]

We're behind a bar.

[Ben]

I know. And I was also afraid, like, the shirt was, like, it wasn't fitting me the way I wanted it to. I was worried about my posture. I don't know. I was like, you know, some days you, like, go out into the world, you feel like, yeah, I look good. And then sometimes you're like, no, I'm off. And it's not like me feeling shitty on myself. It's just like that night, I was like, I feel like I'm not really rocking it, bro.

[Ronnie]

Stop Molly to watch it. God, I was like a Molly pill before you came here. Geez, man.

[Ben]

Well, no, but what I did do, I did, I did lipo my ankles yesterday. So I was like, I can't after that watch what happens live appearance. I gotta lipo those ankles. No, but for real, it wasn't like a, it's not like an ongoing. Like, it was just that night, I just didn't love how I looked, so I just, I was like, it made me like, you weren't haunted.

[Ronnie]

I got a boner watching anyone. I got a boner watching you on tv. So I'm sorry I said masturbate, everybody. I'm sure we'll cut that out later.

[Ben]

That's all right. No, it's, it's fine. Just, Just know it. You like, that's. This is what Austin and Craig need to know. Like, a real friend masturbates to. Masturbates to their other friend and themselves, and they see themselves on tv.

[Ronnie]

You don't even masturbate to me on Watch what happens Live anymore kind of friendship is this okay? So basically they're like, we should accept each other the way we are. And Craig's like, okay, it would be Fair to say I don't use my limited amount of free time at my house in Charleston to come hang out with you guys. Okay. So there could be room for improvement, for the balance of that. And they're like, okay, just a small effort, Craig, and we can build up. I mean, come on, just get us laid while you've still got your hair.

[Ben]

What a self serving comment by him. I guess I don't use the limited amount of free time that I have because I'm busy, because I work that I get at my house, because I have a beautiful house that you guys should all just come to. Like, I don't have a lot of time. So since I don't have a lot of time, you guys should come to my house. I got a sweet pool. But okay, fine, I'll go to you. It's like, it's such a begrudging, like, way to contribute to this conversation.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. But he did, you know, give a little. He was like, okay, I'm a little wrong. I could make more of an effort, basically. Right. And so they kind of make up. And then we go to Vanita's house and she is cooking for JT with Charles. And she's just walking around like, he. Oh, my gosh, I'm opening champagne and I spilled some on the floor. Ch. This is cr. Am I nervous? Am I nervous? Charles, am I nervous? And Charles is just like, God, you're boring. It's like, I'm not buying this. Just finish the fish.

[Ben]

Charles is like, I just want to imagine a world where I don't live in, like a fake anthropology store. So she's cooking. I did, did, I did enjoy her cookbook selection that she had in her kitchen. She had salt, fat, acid heat, and she also had a treasury of Southern baking by Cheryl Day. So it was nice selection. I approve of Vanita. She has good taste. She knows her food and everything. She's making a branzino. This is all very nice. I just want more for her. I just want Vanita. You don't deserve to be on this show. You need. You need to find something bigger and better than these people. Like, see, to sit here, you wasting good fish on someone like jt, it's just not worth it. It's just sad.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So JT pulls up in his G wagon. I'm so sure. Who'd you borrow that from for the day? Get the out of here with that. I don't that for two seconds. Bunny.

[Ben]

It's Bunny's G wagon.

[Ronnie]

It's matte black G Wagon. Okay, so that Airbnb is doing really well, huh? So he's like, wow, look at this real girly place. Lock it, lock it. Real girly. Here's me, casual jt. Wow, what a gourmet meal you had. This is great. I'm gonna eat the whole thing on your couch before I completely humiliate you on tv. So just keep feeding me. That'll be great.

[Ben]

Yeah. So Vanita is, like, the first time, you know, I thought that I like JT more than a friend. Was we were in New York and we see the reunion where JT's like, calling out.

[Ronnie]

We were.

[Ben]

Where it was hard. Like, Andy's like, well, jt, you got a great career and a hot body. And she's like, oh, yeah. But then I was in a relationship with somebody else, Manny. And I said, you know what? Pump the brakes. Don't get into jt. Don't cheat. But the more we got to hang out with the group and being out together and me standing up for him and having his back, I was just like, I don't do this for people that I'm just friendly with. Then I was like, maybe I like him. I mean, he didn't saved me when I almost drowned. Although he wasn't invited, but either way, sure, I'll like jt. Why not?

[Ronnie]

The first time I really liked him was when we went to an amusement park, because I really hate roller coasters. But I was with him, and he was too short to ride the ride, so I didn't have to go either. And I was like, this is somebody I could actually be with. Here's why. JT's the hugest piece of shit. He could come over. He knows what this talk is gonna be about. And instead of coming over and having a nice talk with her, he completely butters her up and lifts her up and flirts with her like crazy. Before he does it, he's like, wow, I just talked to my mama, and she said that you're her favorite. And she says, hi. She goes, yeah, I love him. Yeah. You sent her a text on Mother's Day. She was so touched. She said, I quote, she's my favorite. You should marry her. Wow. What do you think about that one? At least she's honest, right? God, I love Mama. She's always right. Wow. This food, this branzino, it's sweet and spicy. Kind of like us, right? Can I just acknowledge there's chemistry between us in there? I feel it. It's in the air. It's thick. Are we on the same page. What a piece of man. This guy. Honestly, this guy, like Vanita doesn't take enough on this show without being completely dragged and humiliated like this by you. Off, you little G wagon borrowing beaver. I hate you. Now, I'm so glad to see that this cast treats you like this because you deserve every little bit of it. I'm never standing up for you again. Until next week when one of the guys is worse.

[Ben]

Yeah. No, but Vanita gets shat on time and time again on this show, and she gets humiliated, and it's just like she gets shoved to the corner. And she's the only one who seems to actually have a brain around here. And, you know, we have. We have Vanita. She's sitting. He's saying things like, you know, I'm extremely attracted to you. And this brand's. You know. You know what the thing with this branzino, it makes me. It makes me imagine all the dinners we could have together if we were in a relationship. Maybe someday we'll get married and I'll sit around the table with our children eating branzino together. God, that would be a great laugh. But you know what?

[Ronnie]

Branzino. Wow. Can't wait for them to try this. You should put this branzino in a baby bottle. I'd love to see our first child being nursed on this sweet, sweet branzin.

[Ben]

I can see. I can see me taking our firstborn child, little JT Junior, often a fishing trip to catch a branzino, and we cook it up for the whole family.

[Ronnie]

Driving the kids to school, saying, God, what's that smell? And then saying, mama packed us some branzino in our lunch, Daddy.

[Ben]

Oh. And then I'll say, what is that other smell? Mama also made us some pickled branzino for the side. And what's that other smell? Branzino. Pa. Oh, wow.

[Ronnie]

We're gonna be together forever. This is just beautiful. Wow. And she's just beaming, right? She's beaming like she's never been happy in her life. She's like, oh, my God. I'm having a love story. It's playing out on television. Finally. Here I am on Southern charm. I'm gonna have a love storyline. This is amazing. And he's like, but I'm just being real. I'm seeing someone. And then he just smiles in her face, and she's like, oh.

[Ben]

He's like, you know, I've been getting out of the gates in this new relationship, and I gotta give myself a little bit of credit because I don't cheat. I do not cheat, America. Oh, but it's a slippery slope. And Vanita's like, well I, I won't say I knew he had a girlfriend, but I can say I knew he was talking to someone but it wasn't like this is who I'm dating.

[Ronnie]

And she's like, but don't act like you don't want this as bad as I do. I mean everything you just said bas. And he's like, well, do you know, let's play it out. Say it's an alternate universe. Well, let's say it's an alternative universe. That it was me and you. But you knew that I had the propensity to see new opportunities and be flippant. You wouldn't want to be with somebody like that. Then you'd always wonder in the back of your mind, is he going to do the same thing to me? Well, I hope that other girl's doing that because basically you've been leading her on for a storyline and so that you have somebody to talk to on tv. You fucking piece of shit. And the whole time you've been dating some little, of course little Taylor look alike blonde young girl. So get the out of here. I can't with these guys. And I was really sad for her that she made herself look so stupid to be with this piece of when she knew. Part of me, part of me doesn't feel bad cuz I'm like, you knew it's JT and you're still being with him. And part of me is like, well it's also for storyline for you cuz you need something on this show. But I don't like that and I don't like her getting mistreated by this guy. I felt really bad for her also. I cringed a lot.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. So she's like, let's be real. If I was dating JT and he's talking to another girl like this, we would be done. And there's no way, there's no way I'd be able to continue dating him. So he's like, I think it's just important that you know that my work means something. Is it a crime?

[Ronnie]

To be honest, I stand for women. I'm wearing a white cape and I'm just here as a man telling you someone I respect. I've been dating someone else while I'm flirting with you. What an ass. So she's like, where does that put us? And he's like, I don't know. But I'll acknowledge it's not easy not easy.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then she's basically like, well, I'm equal parts angry and equal parts sad because, like, how long have you been flirting? And you've had a girlfriend the whole time? And he's like, well, that was some good branzino. I'm going to head on out in Bunny's car and I will talk to you later.

[Ronnie]

When he goes, yeah. And he's kind of smiling in her face and squinting his eyes like, I feel sorry for you, but I'm also squinting. He's like, yeah, I got to go. And then they just cut down to his completely empty plate of branzino. I was like, wow. Well, glad you had a full meal while you were here to dump my ass, you piece of God.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly, Monster.

[Ronnie]

Like, she had to cook for this. You could have at least taken her to dinner.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie]

Boo. You suck. Boo. Jt. You suck.

[Ben]

Okay, well.

[Ronnie]

But also, Vanita, Be smarter.

[Ben]

Yeah, be smarter. So that is it, everyone. That is our final episode before the Crappies. And now, next time you see and hear from us, we'll be on that stage. We cannot wait. Can't wait to see all of you. If you can't be there, get your streaming ticket at Kiswee. Go to our website, watchcraft.com for links to that. And then, then again next week, we'll be in Salt Lake City in Denver, and we're going to be doing Salt Lake City reunion in Salt Lake City, which will be a blast. So see everyone somewhere and have a great weekend, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

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