#2713 RHOP S9E17: RHOPooptomac

Summary

Watch What Crappens Episode #2713: RHOP S9E17 - RHOPooptomac Release Date: February 3, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction and Recent Activities

The episode kicks off with Ben and Ronnie reflecting on their recent experience attending the Golden Crappy Awards held on Broadway in New York City. Both hosts express their excitement and satisfaction with the event, highlighting their performances and the enthusiastic audience reception.

Ronnie Karam:
“That was the best crappies we've ever done. That was insane right now, Madison. That was so amazing.”
[04:03]

Ben Mandelker:
“We had such a good time. We just had so much fun.”
[05:27]

They also tease their upcoming live tour locations in Salt Lake City and Denver, encouraging listeners to purchase tickets through their website.

Deep Dive into RHOP Season 9, Episode 17: "RHOPooptomac"

Dog Poop Finale: A Central Point of Controversy

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the finale of the Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 9, Episode 17, affectionately dubbed "RHOPooptomac" by the hosts. The climax of the episode features an unexpected and chaotic scene where multiple dogs defecate on the set, leading to mayhem among the cast members.

Ronnie Karam:
“Andy always hypes things up. But we did see in the preview that there's gonna be a lot of dog everywhere.”
[07:44]

Both hosts critique the exaggerated reactions of the housewives to the dog poop incident, questioning the authenticity and emotional resilience displayed.

Ben Mandelker:
“Why is this cast so weak willed? Real Housewives of Potomac, for Christ's sake.”
[09:18]

Ronnie Karam:
“I was cracking up on this plan. I could not control myself.”
[07:44]

Character Dynamics and Conflicts

The episode delves into the strained relationships among the Potomac housewives, particularly focusing on Karen and Stacy. Karen's attempts to undermine Stacy by bringing up past grievances and questioning Stacy's friendships are highlighted as a primary source of tension.

Ben Mandelker:
“I really enjoy that combination of prim and proper. But then it's gonna come after you, because she was coming after Karen.”
[10:51]

Ronnie Karam:
“She is very right. I think you need help here.”
[54:15]

The hosts analyze Stacy's interactions with her boyfriend TJ, criticizing his behavior and questioning the authenticity of his character.

Ben Mandelker:
“And he's like, I'm an actor. You should know my name.”
[31:08]

Ronnie Karam:
“He's abrasely a part of the community.”
[31:08]

Wendy's White House Appearance

Another pivotal moment discussed is Wendy's appearance at the White House, where she interviews Karine Jean Pierre. The hosts commend Wendy for her accomplishments but remain skeptical of her genuine intentions and how it intertwines with the housewives' drama.

Ben Mandelker:
“She's absorbed being self-absorbed in her own life. Who wrote these cards? That doesn't even make sense.”
[82:38]

Ronnie Karam:
“She always tried to tear me apart mentally, emotionally.”
[71:38]

General Critiques and Observations

Beyond the specific episode analysis, Ben and Ronnie offer broader critiques of the RHOP series and compare it to other reality shows like Married to Medicine and Love Island All Stars. They express amusement and frustration over the predictable drama and contrived storylines, emphasizing their desire for more genuine and less fabricated conflicts.

Ben Mandelker:
“They bring on AJ because he's amazing, and he talks like this, which I like too.”
[27:40]

Ronnie Karam:
“I still think actor may be the worst because bloggers. You sort of know where bloggers and podcasters stand.”
[31:10]

Upcoming Projects and Tours

The hosts segue into promotions for their own content, including a live tour featuring nine upcoming episodes and a bonus "crappy hour." They encourage listeners to support them via Patreon for exclusive content and access to their Discord server.

Ben Mandelker:
“We have got nine episodes coming up this week and gives us a bonus in our crappy hour, so we're not slowing down.”
[06:32]

Ronnie Karam:
“I did that.”
[10:26]

Conclusion and Sign-Off

As the episode nears its end, Ben and Ronnie wrap up their critique of "RHOPooptomac," expressing anticipation for the season finale reunion. They humorously lament the pervasive drama and the over-the-top antics of the cast, reinforcing their role as critical yet affectionate commentators on Bravo's reality TV offerings.

Ben Mandelker:
“That's the uncle Lump of Christmas trees.”
[84:15]

Ronnie Karam:
“Come on, now, come on.”
[89:06]

They conclude by reminding listeners to join their Wondery+ membership for ad-free episodes and exclusive content.

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Notable Quotes

• Ronnie Karam ([04:03]):
  “That was the best crappies we've ever done. That was insane right now, Madison.”

• Ben Mandelker ([09:18]):
  “Why is this cast so weak willed? Real Housewives of Potomac, for Christ's sake.”

• Ronnie Karam ([07:44]):
  “I was cracking up on this plan. I could not control myself.”

• Ben Mandelker ([31:08]):
  “And he's like, I'm an actor. You should know my name.”

• Ronnie Karam ([54:15]):
  “She's very amazing. So then Wendy and Eddie arrive and say hi to everyone.”

• Ben Mandelker ([57:12]):
  “That's right.”

• Ronnie Karam ([67:38]):
  “Wendy's like, carwyn, I'VE woed for you, okay? I've woed for you and I've been a friend to you.”

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Final Thoughts

In this episode of "Watch What Crappens," Ben and Ronnie deliver a thorough and entertaining critique of RHOP Season 9, Episode 17. Their blend of humor, sharp observations, and candid opinions provides listeners with insightful commentary on the ever-dramatic world of Bravo's reality TV, all while promoting their own engaging content and upcoming events.

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Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappin. It's the podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye old Brahms. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. Welcome back to Los Angeles, where we both just arrived after the Golden Crappy Awards. What a fun night on Broadway in New York City. What a dream. A dream come true. Am I right?

[Ronnie Karam]

That was the best crappies we've ever done. That was. That was insane right now, Madison. That. That was so amazing. What an audience. Oh, my God, you guys were amazing. You guys, really. Okay, this is gonna sound cheesy. This is gonna sound really, really cheesy. But I had a lot of people, you know, Ron and I, we both sang songs and we had like an opening number. It was really fun. And a lot of people yesterday were like, man, were you. Were you nervous to sing your song? Because, you know, everyone knows that's not really my ministry. And I'm saying this in case you couldn't tell from the audio. You know, I am. I'm an abstract artist when it comes to singing and that I choose notes that aren't necessarily the ones that you need to have, but you have to use an interpretation. No, but for real, though, everyone was like, are you. Were you nervous? And I. This, I'm being totally sincere about this. This is not some cheesy ass thing to say to be nice. This is totally sincere. I actually was shocked that I wasn't that nervous when it came time to sing the Song because the audience was so warm, and I kind of felt like the audience was just, like, there for us. I know this sounds so cheesy, but I felt like I was like. Like the audience just as happy for us and. And just like. And. And I just felt like the energy from the audience where I just felt like it just took away my nerves. I can't explain it, but I just. I have to be just. I'm just so incredibly thankful for our audience who was there and all our guests and everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you, Ronnie. It was wild in there. We had such a good time. We. We just had so much fun. And all the guests who came. If you still want to watch that, it's streaming, you can still buy a ticket and stream it for two weeks. The audio will be released. The video will not be released. So don't wait for that on Patreon. It's just what it is, you know, you buy a ticket and that's it. Then it's done. Then it's dead. And we are continuing on with the live tour. We go to Salt Lake City this week and Denver. We'll be doing Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in Salt Lake City, and then we'll be doing Southern Char in Denver, and then we'll be out at the beginning of March again. So check out watchrockcraftens.com to get your tickets for all of that stuff. And then we've got a full week coming up here. We've got nine episodes coming up this week and gives us a bonus in our crappy hour, so we're not slowing down. So come find what you need if you want Traders recaps. Those are over on Patreon. That'll be up tomorrow. And we're just having so much fun. Okay, so is there anything else you wanted? Is there anything else?

[Ronnie Karam]

I forgot. I just want to say that you were very understated when you said once the video was gone, it's gone. And I just want to emphasize you really need to see Ronnie in a turban with lipstick smeared on his face singing a ballad from Sunset Boulevard. So, like, really do not sleep on that opportunity. I just. I feel like you were very low key about it. I'm like, no, you don't understand people. There are some strong visuals to see, by the way. Also, can we give. I just want to. We. I just want to give another shout out to our director, Mark and our musical director, Brandon. They killed it. It was amazing. The slideshow broke, and Mark fixed it mid show. Like, he just. He took Care of it. Like, the entire show could have gone down in flames. And, like, it just was great to have that support.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know it gets you spoiled, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it does.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, I don't want to do anything alone anymore. Come in here. What do we do now?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, someone just hold our hands.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So anyway, this is the season finale of Real Housewives of Patromac. Wow. It was a very dog poop filled finale. How'd you feel over there?

[Ronnie Karam]

I watched this on the plane flying back because, you know, it's back to work. And I was. I was cracking up on this plan. I could not, you know, Andy was like, the last. The last five minutes of the Potomac finale or laugh out loud. And, you know, Andy always hypes things up. But we did see in the preview that there's gonna be a lot of dog everywhere. So I was like, I think he's probably gonna be a hunt of something. And I could not believe how much I laughed. I. I was. I was cracking. I. I could not control myself. And I was like, I know there are gonna be people that were like that. Those poor dogs were probably so scared. Yeah, they probably were. But you know what? They got through it and they shot on the floor. They got their revenge. It's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, I learned a new trick because, you know, anyone with a dog knows that you are always waiting for the dog to poop. I mean, you wait for that dog to poop, and that's like the dog's power in life. It's like when it's gonna poop, you know? Cause it knows you're waiting. And I'm standing there like, bueller, Bueller. Can we just go? It's been 10 minutes. And he looks at me and then he acts like he's like, maybe gonna squat and then he'll start sniffing around again. I'm like, God damn it. This dog and his fucking power plays. And now I just know I need to buy a smoke machine and turn it on, because apparently that's a huge trigger. And then every dog who is around a fog machine will just start pooping. I didn't know that was the thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like. Because, you know, leading up to it, I was like, how? I was like, I know the dogs are all gonna start shitting, but how does that happen? Does it like one dog starts shitting, then they all wanna start shitting? I'm like, I don't think that's a thing with dogs. Like, what? What?

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought it was gonna finally be the comeback of Ramona Singer, where she poops on the floor. And then the dogs are all like, well, we'll poop on the floor too. She. And that brings me to a question. Why is this cast so weak willed? I mean, not weak willed, but, like, weak in Spirited. I don't mean that weak stomached because they all started screaming. Karen started barfing. Everybody had this fit when they saw this dog poop. Ramona was pooping on the ground. Sonya had to wear diapers so she wouldn't poop herself, or so she could poop herself on the jitneys. And everyone loved that. And then you get a few dogs doing it, and no one in New York started crying and screaming and, like, running away and barfing into a trash can. Get stronger stomachs. Real Housewives of Potomac, for Christ's sake. At least it wasn't Ramona poop, I swear to God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, you know, when. When the crappies were done, I was like, okay, close that tab. Don't have to open that up for, like, 10 more months. And then this happened, and I literally started up a new Google Doc. Or I was like, okay, most chaotic 2026, the Potomac finale. I was like, I cannot forget about this dog poop scene. We will not forget about this next year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Never.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not even joking. I did that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it was also the episode where Stacy dropped her, like, what? And just told people off, which was really nice. I really enjoyed that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's really great. I just. I hope. I hope that. I don't know if she's in danger of losing her job, but I never know. Bravo. I just really hope that we have her for. For several seasons, because I think she's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not gonna lose her job. Are you kidding? They.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just.

[Ben Mandelker]

They have to love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, good. Because I love that combination of prim and proper. But then it's gonna come after you, because she was coming after Karen. Like, she had some good comeback, Aaron. And she also comes, like, when people come for her. She is very. She can defend herself very quickly, which I think is, like, a very admirable quality. I wish I had that ability. I'm a stammer defender. And they start saying things like, well, like. Which I guess is stammering anyway, but she really comes back, and. And she's really on top of it. So I. You know, I think this is a great first season for Stacy. And even though her wig was a little, you know, I liked her wig.

[Ben Mandelker]

You like this lady. And this is another cast like, you're making fun of wigs, Ashley. Really? Do I need to do a slideshow? Brashley. Excuse me, ma'am, but leave the wigs. Leave the wig criticism alone. You're not really in the place. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Do you hear that noise?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. What's happening? Is there a ufo?

[Ben Mandelker]

It is the long.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bethany's coming down in the ufo. Oh, my God. It's the Russians. It's the Russians. It's. It's like a leaf blower or a saw or something. But why do they always wait until the second we're recording and then like, what are you right at my window? Jesus Christ.

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you have? My window? Huh? Huh? Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good Lord.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't hear it at all, if that's any consolation.

[Ben Mandelker]

God. This is a good mic then. Geez.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, Ronnie is gonna go in.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's my gardener, so I guess I.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was gonna go on the fate. The community Facebook and be like, excuse me, some of us are trying in here. It's me. Okay, everybody, I'm. As usual, I'm the problem. It's me. Also, I know about bad wigs, too, so I shouldn't complain either. But you know what? I'm bald. I have to get Amazon wigs sometimes. Okay? Anyway, I really liked her wig. I thought it looked pretty, so I don't know what everybody was talking about. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, good. Well, you know what? That's great. You know what everyone likes? It's. It's good to be. To like things. So let's kick it off, okay? We start off at Karen and Ray's, and Karen is choosing her outfit for Stacy's event. And Karen is like, don Crazy dog Marches of ysl.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Ray.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ray, I need your help. I mean, I would not wear. I don't think I'd wear above anything above H M YSL to some sort of, like, doggy fashion show.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, Excuse me. That is so rude. Dogs deserve our love. You know, those dogs need to be adopted. And it's a fashion. And that's actually a very common thing. A dog fashion show. I have a friend who has, like, a little famous Instagram dog, and she does those. She. She, like. I don't want to say rents her dog out. Cause that's like you rent your child out to be in a commercial. You know, she. The dog has an agent, has a big Instagram following, and then she does fashion shows, this dog. And so she takes the dog from city to city, and the dog walks with people in fashion shows. I mean, what a life.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a life for that dog. But also, if I'm paying real money for ysl, I don't need. I don't need to go into a room of dogs and then they're all jumping up on me with their paws that may be dirty and may also tear fabric. So it's going to be. It's going to be the. The casual stuff for me. Casual, nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ben's only wearing a zapit gun or whatever. What do you call that? Stun gun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like a sw.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just going to be walking around with the stun gun over his wiener to, like, attack dogs with if they come closer.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm just not going to wear a couture. I'm not going to wear designer stuff. You know, I'll wear something nice. I'll wear something. But I'll do Banana Republic. I'll do Banana Republic. So I'll look nice, but, like, you know, within a budget. Within a budget.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's all they're getting. So. Come here, baby. I'm trying to figure out what to wear. You know, Stacy has a dog walk rescue, which is admirable, but, you know, I'm on my own journey to rescue my two puppies, grand and Dom. And she explains that she is going to be getting designer dogs, okay? They have a lifespan that's very, very short, but hopefully they'll live much longer because they'll be taken care of with me. Well, first of all, they're going to be crashing through the windshield at some point, so we all know that. So I don't think. I wouldn't say, like, hey, you know, you know, where's a safe space for dogs with Karen, Okay? Nobody. Nobody's gonna say that right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is this just her bullshit way of saying she wants a designer dog, but she's gonna act like she's actually adopting them? Yeah, she's adopting them for a good cause. Well, normally people get these designer dogs, and it's cruel because they don't live very long, but I will adopt them and I'll rescue them and they'll live a few days longer with me. And I'm not doing it because I want to design a dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she hasn't said, like, oh, I'm getting them from evil puppy mills that have been shut down, and now they have all these leftover dogs and they're gonna put them all. It's nothing like that. She's literally saying, oh, I'm gonna get these little designer dogs, because the poor things need love because they die young. So just get a damn designer dog, Karen. It's better to just do it and not apologize than. Than all this bullshit. But it is very. Karen, you know, like, I didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't even know about this thing about designer dogs that die young or whatever. I also don't know, by the way, I don't know if that requires an adoptive. Like, it's. I don't know, does that require. Cause if an animal's lifespan, like, some animals have longer lifespans than others. So if you have an animal that's shorter, it's not like, like that animal is. It's not like the animal's subjected to cruelty. It just has a shorter lifespan. Right? Am I wrong? Am I just now totally heartless?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I'd love a storyline. Well, good luck with your adopted child. Personally, I'm adopting ladybugs because they really only live a couple of days.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, that's what I'm saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like they need me more.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, so you have a tortoise. That's nice. Enjoy that one for 35 years. Unfortunately, hamsters live under the cruelty of being only two years old when they die. So I'm going to adopt some prize. Like, is that like a charity worthy cause? Like, it's. It's like, I don't think they're being abused or anything. It's just. They're just.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I could be wrong. Listen, I don't want to. I do not want to offend our animal activist listeners. I'm just saying, to me, it strikes me as like, oh, so the dog can live a happy life. It just will die before other dogs.

[Ben Mandelker]

But she's like, well, you know, before Stacy came up with this charity, I was like, oh, God, here's where Karen's gonna say that somebody stole from her. You. This is Karen's line every season. Oh, candles. I told Wendy about candles, which is why she came out with the candle in the first place. Mine may have come to market later, but my idea was first, and so I thought it was going to be one of those things. But she says, before Stacy came up with this charity, you know, to adopt dogs. My desire to adopt dogs that are bred and should not be bred. So what does that mean? I mean, I have a pit bull chihuahua. They shouldn't be bred. Okay? That was an accident. That was a tiny little chihuahua. No one thought he was gonna do anything. And he climbed on top of a giant pit bull and a miracle was born. And his Name is Bueller. Tivis Caram. Okay. Do I win a Nobel Peace Prize for adopting that little fucker?

[Ronnie Karam]

Of course you do. Well, I think that actually what Karen is talking about here is that she wants to adopt dogs that are actually loaves of bread. She's like, I want to adopt dogs that are bred and should not have been bred.

[Ben Mandelker]

It lasts longer than a week. It deserves some love. That's why I always eat so much bread.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sick of people throwing out this bread because they left it on the counter for too long. I'm taking that dog shaped loaf of bread and I'm putting it in the freezer and treating it respectfully.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she's like patting herself on. Herself on the back and just like nodding and she's like, oh, I just have so much love to give Ray. So anyway, he's like, you could give me some love, car. You know, like, hello, I'm right here, so don't be disgusting. Right? Pick your balls up off the ground. By the way, I just had this room vacuumed. All right, now, now, you know, dogs have. These dogs have a lifespan that's very, very short, but hopefully they live much longer because I'm caring for them. Now I have to get behind Stacy. Hurry up. She's doing a good thing. I just can't wait to support Stacy by rolling my eyes at her, calling her a bitch, and not doing shit in her show except throwing up all over the place. All right, come on, Ray.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so he's like, are you gonna walk in the show? She's like, no, but I'm gonna support her. And she goes, why would I support Stacy when Stacy would be. Wouldn't be fair and neutral with Mia and I. So we see a flashback to last week Drag King show with Karen and Mia arguing. And Karen's like, with my court case coming up, I am definitely stressed. You know, I don't need to be going down this road of my friend breaking my heart and disrespecting me at a Drag King show. I don't need any more pain. Much like a. A dog that shouldn't have been bred but was bred anyway and placed in a home without the love of Karen Hugo. Don't need that pain.

[Ben Mandelker]

What she did to me caused me more pain than a French bulldog with a golden retriever tail. It was so painful. I can't take it, Ray. And then. So then Wendy FaceTimes. Wendy's one of those people who FaceTimes you, but then she makes you wait. Is. Was she FaceTiming her. Was that her?

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you for bringing this up because I noticed this. I think Wendy just called, but Karen put the phone on like a tripad tripod and put it on speaker and then was talking to it as if she were on FaceTime. But I don't think there was any indication that FaceTime was on. I think it was just a speakerphone call. She was like, I'm going to pose. Here's my angle, my angle. I'm like, Karen, it's not on FaceTime.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Karen's just the kind of diva to always have her phone on this pedestal. It's not even like a regular thing. It's like a full on mount with a light and all of this stuff. And it's like ring and she. Hold on, Ray. Wendy's calling. Hello, Wendy. It's like everything is an interview with 2020 with this woman. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappens commercial. Elevating my style used to mean breaking the bank. But with Quince, I get high end versatile pieces at prices I can actually afford. Now I can upgrade my style by snagging luxury essentials that sync with my vibe and my wallet.

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Compounded products are not FDA approved or verified for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescription required restrictions applied with govy and ozempic are not compounded. Actual price depends on product and plan purchased. So they're talking and Wendy's like, well, I'm giving you a call because we're about to strip for the strays, honey. Oh, yeah? So who's strutting for the strays? And she goes, well, you know. Okay, sidebar. So you know that I'm starting season two of the Dr. Wendy show, right? Yes, of course. I definitely knew that. I was definitely paying attention. I am definitely a subscriber to your show. On the tubes of use. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it was really amazing, Karen, getting the chance to do a season two. I mean, we didn't know if they were gonna pick us up, but we've been picked up. It's YouTube. Okay, let's stop the confetti. Stop the confetti. So Karen. So she's gonna get to go to the White House now. I also was watching Married to Medicine, you know, which I love laughing at that show. And they also went to the White House. It's a big. The Biden administration was like, listen, guys, we're flagging, okay? Some things are falling. I just need last ditch effort. Just call all the housewives and just have them come to the house. Just come up. Have them come to the White House for shit. Surely the White House or the housewives audience will save us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who was on for the marriage medicine episode? Who was on. Because, remember last season, Kamala was on marriage medicine.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was again.

[Ronnie Karam]

She was really. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kamala's like, we're gonna get it going this time. She's. She had something about women healthcare or something at the. Oh, it was about the Roe versus Wade because the decision to overturn Roe versus Wade. And they were having a talk there. So they invited Jackie to come watch it. And she brought Simone and Heavenly. And she scared Heavenly because she was like, now, you know, I only get to bring One person. So of course I called Simone, and Heavenly's like, you brought me over here to tell me you were. You taking Simone in the world? It's like, you can come, too. Surprise. So they all went to the White House. It's very touching.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. Yeah. I can't. I can only imagine Heavenly at the White House.

[Ben Mandelker]

I pledge allegiance to the daddy of the united daddies of America. But, yeah, it was cute. Okay. So anyway, that's the only one episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of the season I'm failing as a Bravo content creator. But also they're failing as I feel like being the same thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Your fault. I'm not watching you. They're actually doing a good. It's a pretty good season. I'm laughing a lot. It's so shady, too. They're bringing back this episode. They went on the couple's trip, and Phaedra, of course, is single, so she brought some fucking rent a date or some guy that she met on that speed dating thing who's hot as hell. So she brought him. But meanwhile, they've invited Apollo to come. And Heavenly's like, well, I think we should invite Apollo, because Apollo and Phaedra are just doing so great at being divorced. You know, they're so positive with each other, so we could learn some lessons from them. So I think we should invite. I mean, they're just so full of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shit that's so messy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it all goes to shit.

[Ronnie Karam]

So next week.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, now that the crappies are over, I can do things like I can catch up on marriage, medicine, and Love Island All Stars. So I have my homework set out for me, and I will do it. In the meantime, Wendy's going to the White House to shoot a show. So she says, says, I am just through the moon. I'm so excited. I always appreciate your support. So I was wondering if you're free and if you would like to come with me to the White House. And Karen's like, oh, yes. Oh, my goodness, yes. You know, I think Wendy and I have more in common than most people would think. I mean, I invited Wendy to the courthouse when I was sworn in as the ambassador to Surrey County. I'm like, yes, yes, exactly. The Surrey County Courthouse, the White House, they're, You know, it's basically equal. Yeah, it's like when you go into like a half Pizza Hut, half Taco Bell, you're just. It's like you're basically. You're in the same building, you know, half Baskin Robbins, half Dunkin Donuts. Two different establishments, same roof, so I totally get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Karen's like, of course she invited me. She owes me after that huge Sarai county incident. So you know what? I'm packing up a gift for Carmela, and I can't wait to give it to her. WI Fi. I can't believe I'm the one to bring WI Fi to the White House. That was her big thing with Surry County. She brought WI Fi to the courthouse. Those are big contributions. Wait until they see pornhub. It's gonna go so fast. No more clicking on pictures and waiting for 20 minutes for them to load. They're gonna have so much peeing at the White House. You're welcome, Biden. You're welcome.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's very excited. Now we go with Stacy and her friend Age. I love AJ And I don't know why we hit him all the way to the end of the season. AJ Was so funny. His, like, blatant disdain for TJ in the scene is just hilarious. He. He is great, and I hope that we get more of him next season.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he should be a housewife, and.

[Ronnie Karam]

He could be a housewife, too. He's the best.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's the best casting in Housewives this year, I think, on this show, at least. I mean, Stacy's pretty good, but I say get rid of the other new newbies that they brought. Just bring on AJ because he's amazing, and he talks like this, which I like too. So she's like, can I be honest? Some of my best memories are me and you in Chicago. We just had such good times, you know, and strut for strays is important. Blah, blah, blah. So she tells us how she knows AJ and she was a model in Chicago, and, you know, she did a lot of hot dog ads and whatever. Whatever else you do when you're a model in Chicago, I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, porcellos. So, Stacy, do you like little green things on your hot dogs? Come to Portillo's. My daughter Arabella will be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Stacy's, you know, thin crust wasn't really even a thing until I was a model for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, if you're gay and you're a bear, guess what. Two for one at the Cubs today. Come on down. So Stacy is. She goes, well, aj, A lot has changed since we were hanging out in the chi. And he's like, oh, yeah? Yeah. I mean, you change. I see you on Instagram. And she's like, have I changed for the better, though? He's like, well, you. I Mean, you're definitely, like, beautiful, but you're also very prim and proper. And, you know, like, you just, like, hang out with women here, so, like, you don't hang out that you don't hang out with. Like, you just don't. You don't go out on. You don't. You hang out with no other guy except for your friend. He says a lot of stuff very quickly, which admittedly, and seeing it now all in text, it's. It doesn't totally all make sense, but he sells it in a way where I'm like, totally. I totally agree.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I like that he's just calling her out, you know? He's like, oh, yeah, well, now you're doing this whole prim and proper dog and pony show. It's just fucking ridiculous. Which I liked. And he's like, and now you just hang out with some dude? And she's like, he's my best friend. She goes, oh, yeah, your best friend? Okay, okay. And she's like, I wait for you to meet him. And he just goes, yeah, I can wait. I can wait. So I love that this guy smells bullshit from a mile away. He's like, you're not really this character you're pretending to be, and this guy you're dating is gay, so please just stop with the theatrics. Let's just call it out right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you know, AJ is definitely like, hello, it's in my name. I am like, of. I am the AJ he is the T. J. A comes before T. So he definitely does not like this threat to, like, the. The Dash J Sidekick priority list. So Stacy's like, well, it feels like you just don't want me to have a best friend. He goes, no, no, you gotta be. Look, look, you've been locked down for very long. You gotta be. You gotta live. You got to get out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, but we go to church together. We work out together. He's like, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Okay, that's good. You go to church, great. So he's not wealthy? Or is he the one holding the plate that's being passed around? Because I have a feeling. And she's like, oh, my God. No, I mean, come on. I just don't know what you're talking about. He's an actor. He doesn't need money. And he's like, oh, my God. What? Why are you dating an actor? You fucking kidding? I mean, he's cute, he works out, but Jesus Christ, I mean, God, you were married for 16 years. Get laid, please jump on some dick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Honestly, I think there's no other phrase that will horrify a friend and a family member more when describing your new boyfriend. Then. He's an actor, you could say, well.

[Ben Mandelker]

He'S had some stuff.

[Ronnie Karam]

Podcast. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you tried that one? That one's pretty good.

[Ronnie Karam]

I still think actor may be the worst because bloggers. You sort of know where bloggers and podcasters stand. But actors actually try to. You know, you got TJ, you wind up with TJ's. And, like, you could say, oh, yeah, my new boyfriend, he. Yeah, he. He has some substance abuse issues, and he's cheated on his. All of his ex girlfriends. But is he an actor? No. Okay, well, I'm sure he will be on the up and up soon. Up you say he's an actor.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, yeah, at least you can heal from heroin. You know what I mean? Acting never leaves you. So he's horrified. And she's like, well, listen, I'm not jumping on any tics because we're not intimate. And he's like, oh, God, Jesus, you. You're not intimate. This is really weird. Now. She's like, I don't need to have sex to feel fulfilled. And she's like, oh, God, just jump off a cliff. I mean, this is. You've been brainwashed. What do you. This is like, get out the Stepford Wives or some shit. Come on, now. And so, of course, tj, right on cue calls, you know, because he can sense. He can sense that he's being talked about, or he senses that there's cameras. Cameras there. So he's sure to get on well.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because the producers probably said, hey, tj, you should call in right now. Stacy is filming. So he's like, hey, hi, I'm calling for Tracy Ruski. I mean, Tracy Rusk. I mean, Tracy. Is it Tracy or is it Stacey? Is it Russ? He's doing, like, a whole bit where he can't remember her name, and she's like, oh, my God. Oh, TJ, what is wrong with you? AJ's here. Say hi to AJ. And AJ's like, what's up, J? TJ, what's going on? He, like. He, like, messes up TJ's name, but I think it was by accident. I don't know. I did not think it was. It was shady. And TG goes, oh, you're getting my name wrong. Are you really getting my name wrong? And he was like, TJ is clearly upset. I'm like, excuse me. Do you not realize you opened up this entire conversation with a bit about getting Stacy's name wrong. I think you were. You revoke your. Your. Your. You. Not. Whatever. You can't say it. You can't do this. You can't be mad right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, no. I said tj. He's like, no, you got my name wrong. Come on, man. It's like, you know what? I'm gonna call you when I'm in the car, because this man will eat you alive. So we'll talk next week. Bye. And he's like, oh, my God, he's a lie.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? What was that? May I? Character. This can't be real.

[Ronnie Karam]

What does that even mean? He was so animated. I mean, then I'm animated, but he was really animated. Yes. Nobody is real, okay? You cannot. This is not your type. Come on now. Come on. Stacy. Stacy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's like, he's my best friend. That's enough for me. Why isn't he my type? He's like. He's a cornball. Stacy, for sake. I mean, is he serious? Come on. He's not the one, okay? You need help here?

[Ronnie Karam]

He is very right. I mean, the best part for me about TJ is how, like, morning show. He is like, morning show. Hey, good morning. It's Stacy. T.J. in the morning. And, like, the moment he gets annoyed how, like, that whole facade drops, and he's just like. His inner just comes, like, pouring out. Like, that's my favorite when we see that in someone, because then we know our instincts are correct. And we just see it right here in this scene where he's like, oh, you messed up my name. He's like, I'm an actor. You should know my name. You should know that I am tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

Girl, nobody knows your name, tj. And they. It's like, he's like the opposite of Cheers. Tj. Where you go when nobody needs to remember your name, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go to Ashley's, and the kids are on the kitchen island.

[Ben Mandelker]

Where else would they be?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, where else? So then the whole family comes over. Sheila, Aunt Monica, Uncle Lump, the whole gang.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, that's so boring, because I was about to say, you know, it's nice on this show when we get to see real people who aren't just cast members, you know, like AJ who come in because Stacy can kind of fake it enough to where we're like, well, maybe she does really like tj. Maybe she is really this personality. So to see somebody come in who's Just shut the fuck up. You don't act prim and proper, and you're not really dating this cheeseball gay guy. Get over it. Come on. And this is all proven wrong, that real people are all a breath of fresh air when we get to Ashley's house. More fake Ashley bullshit. But she does talk about how she did decide to file publicly against Michael or do whatever because he wasn't bending to her will. And so now it's going a little bit bit more easily in that divorce. And then they talk a little bit about Josh, and, you know, this is a boring scene. Can we skip it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Josh. Yeah. Basically, it just ultimately culminates in her saying everything's going forward. And as she starts to sing her song and everyone in the family just looks at her like, oh, God, she's doing it again. Even her mom was like, okay, okay. But anyway, yeah, that's pretty much it. I also.

[Ben Mandelker]

Their reaction to her singing career is AJ's reaction to Stacy singing, like, just drop the okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, I have to say, I. This is. I have to say, Uncle Lump and Monica, I think they are a hot couple, and I feel like we need to give them credit for being a hot couple, you know? Do you think they're a hot couple? I think they're. I think Monica is super hot. I think that Lump is oddly, like, very hot. And I just feel like, like, Lump and Monica, they have been in the sidelines for years, and I just want to. I want to put the spotlight on them and say, good for you for being a hot couple. You're not feeling it? That's okay. I feel it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I'm not a hater, really, of Uncle. You know, like, uncle loves nice and everything. They seem fine. They're just this whole, Ashley's so boring at home. I don't need Ashley. I don't need any more Ashley at home scenes. You know what I mean? I'm bored. And here's another one. I don't need Giselle and her children. Just like, there's a lot of stuff that just pours me on this show. These are those. And this is actually my scene with Giselle where it's like, oh, you know, my dad passed away. We know all this stuff, and so now they're gonna plant a tree for the dad, and it's all really nice, but that's not why I'm here. You know what I mean? It's like going to a bakery and someone's like, oh, let's talk about salami. I'm like, no, I'm fucking here for a bagel. That's not what I want. Get it out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, can I. Can I just say something? This Christmas tree. This is a hot Christmas tree. And I just want to shed some light on the fact that this Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tree, this is the uncle Lump of Christmas trees.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah. So then we go to Wendy's house, and they're going to the White House. Dun, dun, dun. So she tells us. So she meets Karine, right? And Karine's Jean Pierre and walking grounds and everything. Go see, you know, things in the White House and stuff. And then Wendy is talking about how she said that she wanted, on a clip of her show, that she wanted to be at the White House. And now she's here. She's like, manifesting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yep. And she meets all sorts of people. She meets Gabriela Garcia Ugalde, the deputy director of Broadcast and Consumer Media. And then Karen shows up, up. And Wendy's like, well, Karen has always been a friend to me, except for season one. You may have forgotten, but that's okay. So I wanted to return the favor and invite Karen because at this point, I'm not going to be at the White House after January. This is. This is it for me. My goodness.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, let's get this in now, because it'll be at least four years before I even come close to this building.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Wendy's like, okay, is that my camera? Okay. And also Wendy's outfit. She's wearing a bright yellow suit, which I really like. But then she's wearing a gigantic poof on the suit, which I'm not really sure what's happening there. Maybe in case she needs to, like, touch up her makeup, she could just kind of hide behind her shoulder and get some stuff done. Like you have a bat in your cave. You're always corrected, you know, you're always able to correct it by just, like, covering your nose with your thing. I don't know. But anyway, she interviews Karine Jean Pierre and she's like, so, Karine, what kind of dick do you like? Let's get right down to it. No, just kidding. She's like, wow, you're in the White House. That's so great. And she's like, yeah, I am. That's so great, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a nice scene. Karine talks about being, like, the first black and queer person in her position. And it's. It's actually. It's actually a really cool thing. This is really cool for Dr. Wendy on her show. That she gets to do this. And they did. They talk about it. It's a great scene. And there's nothing like, funny about it. They just talk about the White House and mentors and things like that. Good things, happy things. And Eddie, you know, it's nice that her. Wendy's kids are there, you know, that they get to see. And. And Eddie says that he's like, really proud of Wendy and that she's really made a lot of strides in her career. And this is like a really big moment, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Unfortunately, they had to remove Karen because she was over there putting like makeup on a statue going, I look amazing, don't I? And this is what I get for bring Wi Fi to Siri County.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to see the scene that they of like Karine's aide when you know, like, you know, like as she was like walking up to Karen Huger, she goes, oh my God, the Grand Dom, you know, you know, she's like. And she probably turned to Ray and was like, so who is this lady? They call her the Grandam. The what? The Grandam of what? Potomac. Potomac suburban town. Okay. She's like, I'll go with it. Whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

They know exactly who Karen is at the White House. How dare you?

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So now, speaking of dogs, it is finally time for Stacy's Strut for Strays event. And so she says hello to everyone. We meet the the event planner and everything, and all these people, they're at this lounge.

[Ben Mandelker]

The party planner is like, don't forget at the end we're gonna have a big confetti. Okay? That's gonna be very excited. Confetti only. Can't wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she really does say that. And of course, I don't even pay attention to it because, you know, why would you? But now, going through the notes, she totally says that. So Stacy's like, the day is here. We are strutting for strays, and tj, unfortunately, is my favorite stray because we then she says, strutting for strays. And then all of a sudden we just cut to tj, literally strutting down the street. I was like, the ultimate stray DJ tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, yeah, we're gonna host together. I just want to introduce him to and to my colleagues. What better way to do that by handing him a microphone. So, you know, we're going to find forever homes for these dogs. And we're also going to look gorgeous and we need to show some skin because who wouldn't want half naked Guys, when you're about to adopt a dog, it's all very disjointed. But listen, I'm not going to complain about hot shirtless guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never. It's just kind of like a hodgepodge, you know? And look, and this is. I love anytime they wedge in a hot shirtless guy onto a charity event on this show, like you said, it doesn't really make sense, but we're always going to support it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So TJ sees her new wig, and he's like, whoa, I didn't even know who you were. New wig? Who this? And she's like, you don't like it? He's like, well, I would prefer. You know, I sent you that Caesar cut. She's like, honey, I just look too much like George Clooney. He's like, yeah, it's called the George Clooney wig.

[Ronnie Karam]

So listen, until he first met him.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I was doing Under Fives on ER many, many moons ago, let me just tell you, he was. He was a. He was a bro.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was a bro until DJ burns his mesh shirt that he wore on Watch what Happens Live. He just has no right to critique anything that Stacy wears. That's what I say. And you can also see that, like, TJ has a vision of how they should appear together to maintain the facade that he has in his life. And when she veers from it, you see him kind of, like, losing his shit internally. He's like, okay, okay, this is how you look.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right.

[Ronnie Karam]

We didn't talk about this. You didn't tell me you're wearing a new wig. And we're supposed to be the Stacey and TJ show. We're doing photos together. Okay, thanks a lot. Thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then she introduces him to AJ, and AJ's like, what up? And he's like, oh, yeah, I heard a lot about you. So, look, let me just say this. We gotta be on the same team, right? He's like, so we're on the same team, so congratulations. I mean, can someone bring this man flowers? He just came out of the closet. He's like, no, no, no. I don't mean that kind of team. I just mean we're on Stacy's team, right? We have a common enemy that's anybody who's against her. So get on my team. I can't have anybody against me, and we can't have anybody against you. Got it? Because Stacy obviously told him this guy doesn't approve. So TJ is trying to be some big man and get him in line. Oh, no, that's not how you treat the gay friend. You are ruined, sir.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, done. That was a rude.

[Ben Mandelker]

You need the gay friend on your side.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't call the shots in this situation, tj. But aj. I think that AJ just doesn't even have the time or care about tj. So he's like, okay, sure, whatever. I don't care about you.

[Ben Mandelker]

We don't need to do our work to your face, sir. The gay works behind your back when in every conversation with the girl. Okay, yes. He's not going to get his revenge now. He will get it silently with Stacy. Stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then TJ is like, can I get a word with you over here? Like, sure. He's like, why are you looking scared? She goes, I mean, are you okay? You seem a little amped up. Are you okay? And he's like, well, because I came into this blind, so I didn't know what it was. And I haven't seen you. It's my first time seeing you. And your hair is different.

[Ben Mandelker]

So creepy, this guy. And she's like, well, how do you feel about it now that we've done a run through? And he's like, listen, listen, listen. I'm just saying, it's everything all at once, you know, I'm catching up. I wanted to catch up with my co host, you know, and I want to connect with you, you know, I'm just really proud of you and what you've accomplished and. Oh, really? Because you're coming off like an aggro, controlling, fucking weirdo abuser weirdo. So he's like, so I want this to be a fantastic event. Not for you, but for both of us. And I just want to remember. I just want you to remember you're a host and I'm a host and an actor. So get some fucking respect and call me next time you're going to change your wish.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then, Vivian, don't forget everyone here is wearing anyone. Anyone who's walking the the Runway. The one way is wearing Vivian's designs. It's like Anya by Vivian. So Vivian is here.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I wish it was Anya by Vivian.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my goodness, that would be a dream.

[Ben Mandelker]

This one's called the I don't know when you're sad. When I'm sad, When they're sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

This one is the Orinoco float.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is. Here comes Giselle walking in the music. Caribbean blue big toms. So the ladies are. She's talking to Vivian and she's like, oh, yeah, Karen's not gonna walk. And she goes, oh, are you guys beefing or something? Like, I don't know about this because, you know, Karen's already called Vivian and I said, just a reminder, I brought you on this show, Viv. Vivian.

[Ronnie Karam]

If I were Vivian, I'd be pissed. It's like, you're supposed to be my friend and you may have a beef with Stacy, but this is a way to promote my clothing. So get up there on that Runway. So then AJ is like, by the way, one thing I can say at least is that she is coming into the building. So whatever you did, she can't be that mad at you because she's gonna attend. And Vivian's like, well, no, she's coming to support the cause. Not. And not supporting. Stacy's like, well, that's her then. So anyway, Stacy's like, she's also coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because it's the season finale shoot and she's not going to miss it just because she doesn't like somebody. But, you know, only miss credit here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, reunion's okay to miss, not season finale shots.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah, they're all confronting her at the reunion. She's not going to show up to that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Definitely not. So Karen shows up and she's like, let us be very clear. That's like one of her taglines. Let me be very clear. I never said that I would not support Stacy. Stacy has a great cause. She's trying to do a good thing. But yeah, I still feel a certain way and damn skippy I do. You don't forget about that. That's hard to forget.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Karen. Can we talk? So they go have a talk and she's like, you look so stunning in red. I just didn't know what to expect. So I just want to understand why we have a problem because I was a little shocked by your text. And we see the text, it's like, congratulations. I regret not being able to attend your your event due to your comments slash actions at Ashley's last event. And I will be telling my purebred Pekingese the same thing while it's here on this earth. It should not waste friend time with half assed friends. You're welcome. Any donations please send to. Karen's candles were [e-mail].

[Ronnie Karam]

We use those candles when we mourn those. Those dogs that have died too soon.

[Ben Mandelker]

My Pekanese was just wicks of a candle in the wind.

[Ronnie Karam]

My bulldog Dalmatian gone too soon. So Karen's like, by the way, that would be a really interesting mix that I kind of would want to see. So Karen Says. Okay, let's start at the beginning. Okay, I want to preface with this. I have no problem with you getting to know all the girls. I only have a problem with you getting to know all the other girls. Now, remember I said that when you came into the room. Room. Like, now I've said I said that. Now, having. Having said that. Because remember, I said that. Now. Having said that. Now, I did say that. Okay, here's what I'm saying. This is what I want to say to you right now. Having said that. You know that Mia went in on my character, and I don't get what Mia says. I care what my friend Stacy does or does not do.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everybody else is watching them, and they're like, oh, my God, look at. Look at Stacy over there. Wow, she's fighting. And so then Karen's like, well, this woman. And said heinous things about me. Absolutely heinous things. And Stacy's like, well, Mia called you a drunk, and she said you were a cheater. And at Lake Norman, I stood up for you. I said, you know what? No, she's not drunk. And I will not stand it. Nor is she a cheater. I will not do it. She's like, well, I haven't seen that with my own eyes, so I would like to see that. Roll the tape. No tape. Sorry. Stacy, you're a liar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, you know. And Stacy's like, karen Huger. She's no. Excuse me. I let you talk. Thirteen seconds. May I talk, please? Okay. Etiquette 201. Zip it. Now. You act like I have known your ass forever. I'm getting to know you. And your backstabbing tendencies are your personality. And that's the impression you're leaving with me.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is what we always get down to, isn't it? And we're seeing it on Salt Lake City now. And we see it on. Well, we're seeing it double with Bronwyn and with Brittany on Salt Lake City, where they bring these people in as their friends. And then they're like, oh, we've known each other for years. Is I just love Stacy, One of my besties of all time. What a natural friendship. And then the first time they have a fight, it's like, I barely know you, so you. So listen here, you better get your. In line. I gave you a job. I got you a job. Yeah, and it's pretty funny. And Stacy does not give a. I thought Stacy was going to stick with her kind of newish personality, where she's Like, Karen, I'm so sorry. But instead, she's like, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, this is right here. This was a big. I think this is a great scene for Stacy. So then in the confessional, Karen brings out some sort of doll that reminded me quite a bit of your Tanta doll that you brought to the Houston show. Did you think of Tanta at this moment?

[Ben Mandelker]

This was terrifying. This was like a straight up witch doll. This was the Bethany doll from the Halloween store when Dorinda had Halloween in the Berkshires. And there was that, like, witch doll, like, biting its fists. And Ramona goes, whoa, that looks like Bethany.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Karen's like, I want to introduce you all to Stacy. This is what I saw, Stacey. This is what I saw, Stacy, when you were yelling at me, this is how you look with your blonde hair. This is an embarrassment. I brought your ass out of the group. Now I'm gonna kick your ass right out. And then she kicks the doll over. I was like, they did a lot of effort. Effort. There's a lot of prop work for one little confessional there, Karen.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's Karen. She's the carrot top of the show. She brings so many props at all times. Also, just so much is going wrong here. First of all, Stacy was not yelling at you. And second of all, that whole. But I can kick your ass right out. Oh, hell no. This lady's going to be staying for five years at least. And if anybody's in danger of getting kicked out, it's you. Taryn is just going, listen. And it's not the first time this season. Wrong word road. Wrong road, ma'am.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lady, you're going to jail. Okay, so Stacy is. Stacy's like, well, you attacked Mia and you attacked her as a mother, and I have an affinity for her, and you don't like it. Oh, Bravo, Academy Award actress. You know, DJ is like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I like when she says, I'm not an actress. Like, one of the only times you'll ever hear that from a housewife, you know, because everybody wants to break in. She's like, no, how dare you? I talk people into buying jewelry for 10 times the Alibaba price. Thank you, Karen. Thank you very much. And she's like, I've stood up for you, and you have a problem with me. Karen went from being my fairy godmother to the Wicked witch in record time. TJ is like, oh, my God. Where is she? The wicked witch is here. Can I get a picture? It's not a. Okay, sit down, tj. Jay. Jesus Christ. Put your. Put Your Elphaba lunchbox away. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stacey's like, yeah, I've stood up for you and you have a problem with me? Well, I was the one that carried in your raggedy ass. And she goes, well, can you please not put your fingers in my face? And raggedy. And she sort of like gestures at herself like, not at all, honey. And Karen goes, well, I wasn't talking about your face. I was talking about how you dress. And like this. Stacy goes, well, this is Vivian's outfit. Are you talking about Vivian in Karen's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I'm talking about how ugly you are. Most things. That's horrible. They're just horrible. And Stacy goes, it's just really classy. I mean, Karen is unraveling here, and she doesn't know what it's like to fight with someone so classy. Because Stacy's just like, so I d. I look horrible. Like my clothes are ugly. Really? That's where you're coming? Okay. She's like, super famed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then Stacy goes in for the kill shot. Cuz Karen. Cuz now Karen needs to stall. So she goes, now let me squeeze my. My drink. And she goes, oh, really? What are you sipping? Karen goes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, you hinted towards my accusations. Well, what about the accusations you yourself have? Hold on a second. I need to get my teeth back in place. I've never even brought up the accusations about. You never even brought them up. And she's like, well, I've never been to court in my life, Karen. What are you talking about? She goes, oh, really? Really? Well, you're just Jesus walking on water right now, aren't you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it's better than Jesus driving across the water and over a median. Karen, just. So she's like, I am not Jesus. So the producer asked Karen, like, what.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I was Jesus, I wouldn't be walking on water. I'd be walking on the bottom of a riverbed because the river was filled with absolute. And you just drank it all, Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did. It was a good river. So Karen's like. So they're like, what are these allegations? And Karen tells the producers, what have I heard? Driving through the same stop sign three times.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Same stop sign three different occasions. Backups that Winter court. But you're going to talk about me? I don't think so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really? Drunk driving. What about triple stop sign running? Got you prison. Hilarious. What an idiot. What an idiotic argument. And I love that Karen. I love that Karen investigated her and that's what she came up with. Like, you really do. You pay someone to do a deep dive on someone and they're like, well, she ran a stop sign. Did she? Three times. Which one were they? Different ones. I can't bring that on television. No, the same one. The same stop sign three times. Times. Let's get our boys.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is what you call a bulletproof case.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, you know the cop that did that, because you know that there's one cop sitting at that lame stop and you know it's a street that they're like 20 miles an hour for no reason, and you feel like you're tiptoeing. And then she got pulled over for not doing the, like, doing the stop and roll or whatever, where you stop and then kind of keep rolling through.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's. First of all, I don't even think it happened. But second of all, if it did happen, I think this is. And not say. I mean, look, going to a stop sign is actually quite dangerous. Like, that's how accidents happen.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is how accident. I mean, when you just. You don't really go, no, I know. When you stop, but, you know, stop. Supposed to stop and wait till your car completely, like, kind of jerks a little bit. And then you go, I hate people that stop like that. Like, keep it moving. We've all got a life to live.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's like. Or if you're gonna do the full stop, do the full stop. But then, like, get going right away. Don't do the full stop. Left, right. Wait. Left again. Right again. Left again. It's like, just, come on. Let's. Let's. Come on. You stop. We got it. As. As. As someone famous. He's said. I totally paused. And that's how it should be at a stop sign. Just make sure everyone's doing them. What. What they should be and proceed. Anyway, the point is triple step sign infraction. So Karen says, I haven't given up on us, but you are in a time out. You have been demoted. You are an associate. You are not a friend. Then Giselle shows up, and she interrupts. And Giselle is wearing this big, flouncy, tooly, kind of crazy dress. Like, what is happening with Giselle right now?

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Giselle's like, well, we were doing the dress fitting, and Wendy said, I want that dress. And Stacy said, no, no one can wear that dress. So I went back and I bought the dress. And she starts cackling like, it's the funniest thing ever. You paid for that dress. Well, you spent money for Revenge. It's never really a revenge that you win when you had to spend money on it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And now you look like Jen Affleck from Secret Lies and Mormon Wives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Those.

[Ronnie Karam]

Those big, you know, roughly sleeves and everything that. The joke's on you in this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Stacy's like, here comes Giselle looking like Big Bird. And meanwhile, Mia is. You know, they're Karms, which is super exciting. You guys, this is a great. Kieran. Replace. Just replace Kierna with AJ at this point. So Kieran is like. Okay, guys. Okay, guys, listen up. Me and Greg are in an interesting space right now. Kieran, really? You have never been in an interesting space with Greg.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a terrible choice in words. I think interesting space is just not a concept that, like, is connected to Kieran. So she goes, well, yeah, like, cohabitating. It's like, really bright outsides that are, like, not the best. I was like, yeah, you don't say. So what's the latest with the love affair with. With the social worker that has broken the Internet? And she goes, well, right now, I feel like Greg and I just, like, need some personal space. And, like, everything's our fight. Like, we cannot get back to back on the horse. And, like, we're at a place where we can't agree. We can't even agree to disagree. And so I think. And, like, okay, so you guys are just living in different places. Great. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one cares. Okay. I am glad that she. She learned cohabitating, because you know how sometimes housewives will mess up words, and then they become real words in your head. Head. I mean, I can't think of any specifical. Okay, now I'm going to pass that one off to people. I can't think of any specifical examples at the moment, but it happens to me all the time. And I've been. I actually found myself the other day. Yeah. You know, I think they're cohabitating. And my friend was like, that's not a word that's cohabitating. But it's what Kierna said last time when she's like, if we're going to be ready to be cohabitating. And now. Got stuck in my fucking head. And I think it's a real word now.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, if they're going to be living in a tundra and a deciduous forest, they have to make some certain considerations.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, we're really trying to terraform the house so that we're in the proper space to be together.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, so that's the big button on her tremendous storyline there. So now Ashley and Josh arrive and say hi to everyone. And then Ashley's like, oh, my God, did you see Stacey neck? I think I'm assuming. Did that mean that, like, maybe her neck makeup was not blended properly or something?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, because I think they're saying. I think they're making fun of her because Ashley's like, oh, my God, look at her finger going. Look at her finger going. Because she's actually fighting with Karen. I think they're just, like, proud of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, got it.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's what I thought she meant.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or maybe you're right, because then the next line is Ashley saying, well, Stacy sure missed the mark on this outfit. I mean, that wig, that's a no go. It's giving Ash Miami. It's a hard no for me. And this is when I was like, okay, roll the clip of Ashley with her wig from last season that is still circulating.

[Ronnie Karam]

What was the wig? Which. Which one was. Which wig was that again?

[Ben Mandelker]

She wore, like a. I think it was like a black curly wig that everybody was like, oh, no, Ashley, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. No, Ashley, please. I remember.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see Mia says, by.

[Ronnie Karam]

The way, Mia says, oh, my God, she's giving Whitney Houston. And I mean, last time I checked, Ashley was one who walked into this party with the sparkly hood on, like, Queen of the night. Right. Am I missing something here?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think Whitney Houston's a good one to give, right? I didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. By the way, that's not an insult.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then we see, you know, we see scenes from the event, and everybody's kind of meeting up with each other. And then we go back to Karen, and she's like, oh, associate. And she's like, okay, well, I guess I'm being demoted. Well, I'm okay with that, if that's what you want to call it. She's like, well, I believe you cut me out, because the queen does not get cut out. She's like, I didn't cut you out. What are you talking about? You cut yourself out. She goes, oh, Stacy. Oh, Stacy. And now she's like, oh, my God. She's finger pointing. She's got the finger going. She's finally a real housewife.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Stacy's like, whatever. So now she's like, Stacy's organizing everyone. They're gonna go backstage, get ready and everything. And so now Stacy's with TJ backstage, and she's like, okay, I'm gonna go get people dressed, and I'll be right Back. He's like, oh, okay, well, I'll just. I guess I'll just wait here. I'm gonna wait at the bus stop. Okay, fine. He, like, punches over, like, I can't believe she's not paying attention to me anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's really mugging for the cameras. He's like, look at me all alone. And then they kept, keep cutting to him going, yeah, he's painful. He's painful to watch.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Ashley goes up to Giselle and she's like, so guess what? Stacy came to my house the other day and told me that she had lunch with Karen prior to actually meeting with the rest of the group at the beginning of the season. And then at that lunch, Karen was like, these are the people that you should and shouldn't be friends with. And Karen told Stacy that she should avoid Wendy like the plague and avoid her at all costs and that Stacy should not get close to her. So basically as she's like, okay, let me, let me get this going. Let's, let's, let's get the real funds done started.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see what she actually said, which was, Karen and I met for lunch and she said Wendy is self absorbed and she's not a girl's girl and never to trust her. So then Giselle's like, yeah, look, I've even told Wendy that Karen trashes her, but Wendy doesn't believe her because it was coming from me. But also, Wendy needs allies, so she's just going to take what she can get. At this point, Wendy's just like, just keep giving me a platform to sell my YouTube show. Okay, I'll put up with Karen shit this year.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ash is like, well, I think it's worth asking Karen about it. Oh, yeah, I guess it is. You know, it'd be really fun. You know what we should do? We should get to the bottom of this. Let's confront Karen and make her catch her off guard. So they're like, okay, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, basically that translates into, it's a season finale. Literally nothing has happened this season and we have no ending. So let's start a fight.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So they go to Karen and Ash. Like, yeah. So, like the other day, like, Stacy and I had like, a really good talk and there was just like, one thing that I found, like, a little surprising. And I guess you had a luncheon with her. And like, I guess prior to her coming into the group, like, she said there was a list of people that, like, you, you said that she shouldn't really get close to And Karen does that whole, like, she does her sock puppet thing where she goes or looks left and right with her mouth, like her upper lip hanging over her bottom lip. No, no, don't know that. No, no, no, no, no. I have no recollection of that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, you know, you said when you felt that Wendy was not genuine in her friendships and her relationships, and Karen goes, does that even sound like me? And they just all look at her like, yes, of course it does. And Giselle's like, yeah, anytime there's a new person, Karen takes him to lunch, she tries to trick them and get them on her side and go against the other. Other ladies, you know, which is true. We see her do it all the time. So Giselle goes, well, did you guys meet at all? Did you meet up with her at all before the show? She goes, well, I mean, we had dinner after we taped. And what? You know what? No, no, we didn't. We never met up before the show, which. Gotta love.

[Ronnie Karam]

She doesn't try.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't even try to, like, start with the lie. She'd, like, tells the truth first and then lies and then changes it and then lies again. Again.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's really amazing. So then Wendy and Eddie arrive and say hi to everyone. And Wendy's like, oh, you change your hair, Stacy. And then guess what? Eddie brought States, brought some Happy Eddie products and everything. So then Giselle goes up to Stacy and says, well, by the way, Karen is saying that everything that you said that she said is not true. And Karen's like, it's not true. I would never do such a thing. She sounds like, well, that she told you not to be friends with Wendy, that Wendy's a snake, that Wendy's horrible, all those things.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Stacy's like, well, Karen made it very clear that Mia's not Potomac. And Karen goes, I did not. I did not. Well, I mean, is it true, though?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it true? I never said it, but I did create a series of drawings that implied it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You also said Wendy's not a girl's girl and that she's self absorbed and she'll never be my friend. She goes, I have never said that to you. Possibly I've said it, but maybe not to you. I don't really know. What are we talking about? And she's like, yeah, well, you did. You did say it. And she goes, well, why didn't you bring it up before today? And Ashley said, well, she wanted to be loyal to Karen, but now, you know, she doesn't need to anymore. And Stacy's like, I stand by what I said because it's the truth. And if you want to know how honest about I am about things, there's my extremely verification trial. Completely real boyfriend over there. TJ mugging for the cameras. Cut to TJ like, look at me waiting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Waiting at the bus stop for my girlfriend. So Karen's like, I never said that about Wendy. And Stacy goes, I'm sorry, but you said it. You said what she. You said it. And Karen goes, do you believe this, Wendy? And Wendy's like, okay, do I think that Karen said that? No, I know that Cowan said that. I've done nothing but be a friend to her and support her water. And I don't know if she's trying to taint the waters, because maybe Karen feels like she's on the outs with more people in this group than I am. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now it's time to change. And, you know, she just basically. Wendy basically says to Karen, you're gonna get the side eye for a minute. And she's like, oh, Wendy, for a minute, though. Oh, come on now. Come on. It's all a lie.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then the guy. The guys. The guys are just, like, chatting. Eddie's talking to Darius about, like, getting married and stuff like that. And Darius is basically saying that the engagement's coming or whatever. So then we go back to the women, and Karen goes up to Wendy's like, oh, Lord, Diana, sit down. And Wendy's like, well, since I like, oh, okay, sure, I'll do it. Because I'm so self involved. Oh, Wendy, please. I did not even say that. And Karen's like, stacy said that. I said that Wendy is self absorbed and doesn't care about the girls. And I just not say that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy tells Mia. She's like, oh, yeah. And she also said you were not Potomac, you know, And Stacy goes, oh, yeah. And she said it when we met at your favorite mom and pop shop restaurant in Potomac. And Ashley goes, wait a minute. Tally Hoes. This proves everything. Tally ho, not tally ho.

[Ronnie Karam]

We see a flashback. I love that Tally Ho came back and that it was like, it's this. This is the smoking gun done. Giselle goes, you took Stacy to your spot. That makes me know. I believe everything Stacy is saying. Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I don't remember me ever being discussed at lunch. Never, Never. They're like, you liar, Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then, because Karen is like, the moment they say, tally ho, Karen goes, oh, yes, that's right. I do remember. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Yes. No. Yes. I definitely have that reversal. As soon as Tally Ho is mentioned, she knows she's got.

[Ben Mandelker]

She knows she's caught. Caught by the Tally Ho. And Mia's like, I'm sorry, I can't pay attention to this because my Instacart order is being delivered. I ordered a dog bed, and they're like, oh, geez. So she adopted a dog. You know, her next storyline is going to be like, this was Ink Stonk, but now we think it might be Gordon's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, luckily, if Ink ever finds up on the wrong side of me, he can always spend the night on the dog bed. And two. So then Mia is like, I don't know what to think about Karen anymore. Honestly, I got tired of. Every time I got with her, she tries to tear me apart. And, you know, mentally, emotionally, I just don't know what. I just don't want to do that any longer.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. You quiet down over there. I can get Wendy's side of it. But nothing Karen said about you is a lie. And also, you're full of this entire season, so you don't get the whole. And also, you've been coming after Karen this whole season. Like, she is a drunk. She is disorderly. She cheats on her husband. So I think you deserve what you get. But I stand for Wendy in this one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yet, like, you. You could not clearly give me a history of Mia's relationships with the women in this group, because since she's just, like, a liar, like, she's always mad at someone allied with someone. You know, there's some people are like, oh, my God, they were besties until they weren't besties. But, like, with Mia, she's just so all over the map. So when she says, I'm done with Karen, it. Like, it has no. It has no tangible impact on me because I can never track who she's friends with or not. At the same. I think at this point, they just tolerate Mia. They know she's a liar, and they realize she has a role on this show, and they just go with it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I just got an Instacart notification. Isn't that crazy? I just said instacart.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you get a dog?

[Ben Mandelker]

And I got a notification. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you get a dog?

[Ben Mandelker]

Instacart is listening now. I was thinking about doing this. Don't you worry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was thinking about doing an Instacart order for some broccolini and puff pastry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, there you go. Okay. Fancy.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I didn't. I didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy's like, carwyn, I'VE woed for you, okay? I've woed for you and I've been a friend to you. And Karen's like, oh, I appreciate it, Wendy. What a wonderful friendship. Listen, whenever I can help my five wicks shine upon your three, I think it really benefits both of us. Don't you? Don't you? And she's like, now, Kellen, I need to know that if I'm gonna be in the womb, I need. And people are making fun of me, I need to be defended. Like I defend you when you are not in the room. And I can't speak for Karen because if she had my life, maybe she'd be self absorbed too. And so she's like, I'm hurt, Karen. I'm hurt. But I'm telling you it's not true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here, let me take you out to pancakes at times. Tally ho. I'll make it all right. She goes, no, I even know that could like, that could potentially to even know that could even be in the ethos. Well, I don't know what ethos means, but I'm telling you right now, Tally ho also has a wonderful French toast. Please let me take her to breakfast. So Stacy says, well, I have held on to what you said about everybody for months, Karen. And Giselle says, not months run at all. And Kierano says, well, this is a common thing you do when you have sanitary and everything. And then I'm like, okay, Kiana, thank you. Thank you for weighing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. It just sounds like, okay, well, if she has things, she needs to spill it. Well, I said what I said, okay? And what I said is the truth. And Ashley's like, well, you know, Karen doesn't realize that if she says things, they can bite her in the ass. And this isn't the first time or the second time. And it's hilarious. Stacy's like, guys, I have a very important fashion show to go with. I need to go remind her that we're only doing confetti. And certainly nothing that can make dogs project poop all over the place. I've got to go. So then Karen's like, well, I'm mad at Stacy. And they're like, oh, God, whatever. Karen. Karen totally lost this one, you know? So it's humiliation time for Karen, but thankfully, it's time to walk the strays.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Strut for Strays. I am Stacy Rush. And I'm Thomas Anthony Jones. Hey, but you could call me T.J. we've got a great show for you today. And l. Later on, we're gonna check it on weather and sports. But right now, let's see what the morning commute is like. Let's go up to Jennifer in the chopper.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now she's like, before we start with the fashion and the philanthropists, and Giselle's like, philanthropist. This is why she got fired from Fox.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, let's get this party started. Come on, Ashley. Ashley is walking tonight with Boba, a five year old poodle mix mix. And then Ashley comes in and then everyone's just kind of like, the dogs are walking and everything. We're seeing this.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's some cute dogs. Oh, my God, there's so many cute dogs. Who could leave these cute dogs? Leave the ugly ones. Keep the cute ones.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know these are very adorable dogs, but I wasn't really paying attention to fashion show. I was like, when's the pooping gonna start? What's gonna cause the poop? Where's the poop? So they're all coming out. They're walking the dogs. It's all very nice. It's all being narrated. And Karen says, but absolutely, I'm just not going to adopt one of these dogs. I'm going to rescue two. I'm already going to rescue two dogs. They're being genetically manufactured or produced, if you will, with a short lifespan expectancy. These are horrific designer dogs that people covet. And I've decided I also will take two of them to save them for three more days of their life. I'm going to do what God intended for them, which is give them happiness.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then the big finale is Stacy walking. And TJ's like, Stacy, Stacy's a yogi. She's a mother. She's a TV host. She's a philanthropist. Let's give it up for Stacy. Okay. Come on, ladies. So then for the big finale, they just, they don't even like, put on a fog machine. Like, ooh, look at Stacy coming out mysteriously through the fog. They just shoot fog.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, well, because they all stand out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Out.

[Ronnie Karam]

They all come out to stand and present. The dogs are all up there and it's like this big thing, like, ta da. And out of nowhere, it was like a boom. It's like, it's so much fog. It's like it literally, I watching it, I literally thought it was an accidental, like fire prevention system that went off.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they, everybody gets sprayed. And then as the fog clears, everyone's screaming and there's mayhem. But it starts, like, slow because everybody realizes there's dog poop everywhere. And they blurred out the Dog. I was like, did the dog out? Tiny dildos. Why are they blurring it out? I know. Are there, like, tiny dicks all over the ground? What's happening?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think they were actually. I think it was actually for comedic effect. I. It kind of. The blurring out actually kind of emphasizes, like, this is, like, right now, because all the dogs, you know, these poor. These poor animals, these know this. This is such a big scare. It's like. It's startling, first and foremost, and then it's like, it's scary. So they literally all shit themselves. And so all the dogs shit on the floor. And Karen sees it, and she's like, oh, no. And she runs and starts puking in a trash can.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's like someone yelled, fire in a movie theater. I mean, and I'm sure half of this was sound effects, but it's just like people running around and screaming at the top of their buddy, running from one side of the room to the other other. And then Karen just starts vomiting in a trash can.

[Ronnie Karam]

Giselle goes, well, I blame TJ because TJ served no purpose otherwise. He served no penis. He served no kingas. He served none of that. So she's saying, it had to be him. That's his only. Otherwise, he had no purpose.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Karen's like, well, that show had nothing to do with me. I was in the trash can. I didn't know if I was going to make it, but I pulled through, thank God. And you're welcome, designer dogs. Mama's coming to save you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't understand what happened. I meticulously planned this event out with my event planner. I did not ask for or sign off on fog machines.

[Ben Mandelker]

We see a flashback to her being like, confetti, right? Confetti Only so then as she's just like, well, I just hope that somebody adopts one of these dogs. Dogs. Well, I hope they don't, because every time they poop, someone's gonna be, like, sent into a traumatic moment. Like, what the hell? I've never seen people react like this to dog poop. Don't most of you have babies that poop is way worse. The baby can literally poop in your eye. They can, like, projectile that at you, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. By the way, every single one of my friends who have babies, they love to brag about how desensitized they are to poop. So I know, like, if you're so desensitized, you can handle this dog poop right now. But, man, there was a lot of dog poop on that floor and they're coming through with like bleach and everything. It was every. Oh my God. It was, it was wild on these poor dogs. So everyone's like running and it's, it's, it's pure madness. And then we get as they're like running, fleeing the poop. Then what will happen is the screen will freeze and we get an update on their lives. So we have Kieran Kierna, and the update on her is that Kiernan Greg tried moving into their new home together, but K moved out soon after. And K stands by her girl math and still expects a ring in early 2025. Now what part of you guys not being able to cohabitat says that you're going to get a ring at some point? Where does that, how does that work?

[Ben Mandelker]

How does that, how is that even girl math? I don't understand. You know, here's my theory. Nobody knows what girl math is because I've never seen it used properly. And I think a white guy wrote this. There, I said it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just a white guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just say girl math.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just gonna say that whatever, like, whatever does happen with Kierna and that ring and Greg. I have a feeling we're probably never gonna see it. I hope.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good God. So then Ashley's still dating butthead, but her priorities are healing and thriving as an almost single woman and drag king. And then we just see some more screaming and yelling and vomiting. And then it cuts to Giselle, who's an empty nester and loving it. She's rekindled things with her man and is open to him taking a dip in her love lagoon.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, I just want to. What's gross?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's grosser? The poop on the floor or the thought of Giselle's love lagoon? I'm going with the. I'm going with the love lagoon. Okay, I'll take the poop over a Giselle love lagoon story.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think so too. Also, Giselle came with Cal. I love Cal. It's always nice when Cal shows up. And I feel like one thing that, that we forgot to men mention is that when Karen was talking about her charity per her goal of, of adopting designer dogs who have short lifespans. But she's hoping she. She can extend their lifespan by giving them love. She's telling it to Cal and he's looking at her with a face like his eyes are squinting like, like, wow, this doesn't make any sense at all, Karen Huger. But I will go with it for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Wendy has a new position teaching a class on reality TV at Wesleyan University. And she's absorbed. She's enjoying being self absorbed in her own life. Who wrote these cards? That doesn't even make sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wesleyan University. By the way, that is a. That's a major. That's like a great school. Like Wendy. It's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I don't know. Like Johns Hopkins, Wesleyan. She.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop sounding so surprised. Surprised? She has two degrees. Just four degrees. Come on, Ben, don't make me count them for you. Don't make me whip out the girl mouth.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just love how Wendy is, like, low keys. Well, maybe not really low key, but I just love how she's. She's so accomplished, but then she's on the show at the same time. It's just very funny to me not to say it. Being on the show is not that not accomplished, but it's just funny. You have Kieran, who's like, I have like a. Like, my drama is with Greg the social worker. And I've got my little spa, and you've got, meanwhile, Wendy, who is like, going from one prestigious university to another. It's just funny to me. That's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's all I gotta say. So then, let's see the next one. Stacy is at the final stage of her divorce, and she's looking forward to a very unstiff 20, 25. Me and Gordon spent New Year's together with their kids. She and Ink broke up. But she says, as the saying goes, ink is never gone for good. So then we just see Karen gagging and barfing, and then it Freeze frames on her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

What are we gonna say?

[Ronnie Karam]

I was gonna say, ink is never gone for good is not a saying. When they say, as the saying goes, ink is never gone for good, it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is because she says it. Ink is permanent. That's her tagline.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, you know, the show was really kind of. The show is kind of teasing, kind of a we picked the cameras back up moment. You know, Karen going to the courthouse. It was nothing. It was like. We see Karen and Ray step out of their house, they pray, they go to the courthouse. Twelve hours later, she's going to jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I will say this about it. I. Every time I've seen that clip has been a little tiny picture. Like, we saw the preview when we were at Watch what happens live on Andy's phone. So it was tiny. And then I saw it again on the plane, like a preview. That was a tiny little picture. And I was like, why is she wearing a like Thomas Jefferson wig? It's like what does it looked like? She's in the wig party. You know, like the political white wigs from back in the day. But it wasn't. It was just a fur hat. So I was glad to see that she was just in a fur hat. But, you know, Karen really did come on to get some tears from the rest of us because she was in jeans and I hat. We've never seen Karen like this, guys. It's a new Karen. It's a sad Karen. It's a repentant Karen. Let's see what happens.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's see. So anyway, the reunion is next week minus Karen Huger, except for a video message. So we will see how that all pans out. Thanks everyone. Who for? For being here and. And we will see a bunch of you all in Salt Lake City and in Denver this weekend. Go to watchrapins.com to get your tickets. Tickets. We'll catch you there. Bye, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye.

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