#2718 RHOBH S1410 Part Two: Shock and Augusta

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2718: RHOBH S1410 Part Two: Shock and Augusta

Release Date: February 5, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens | Wondery

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Introduction

In the second part of their two-part recap of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 14, Episode 10 titled "Shock and Augusta," Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the dramatic unfoldings in Augusta, Georgia. This episode spotlights the tumultuous interactions between Sutton, her mother Reba, and the arrival of Garcelle and Kyle from Beverly Hills. Ben and Ronnie provide their signature blend of humor and sharp commentary, dissecting every pivotal moment with keen insights.

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Augusta Unveiled

Sutton's Affection for Augusta

The episode opens with Sutton expressing her love for Augusta, a place deeply rooted in her childhood and personal growth. Ben humorously remarks on Sutton's "evil meemaw hair," drawing parallels to his own grandmother's intimidating presence.

Ben Mandelker [02:05]: "I can tell you right now that is some evil meemaw hair."

Reba’s Return and Microaggressions

Reba's return to Sutton's opulent Southern home sets the stage for intense familial tension. Garcelle and Kyle's arrival heightens the drama as Garcelle senses underlying microaggressions from Reba.

Ronnie Karam [03:31]: "The Marcel Marceau of microaggressions."

Ben critiques Reba's passive-aggressive behavior, comparing her to a master of silent insults, which Garcelle is quick to confront.

Ben Mandelker [03:54]: "This woman's the Marcella Marceau of Augustine. Microaggressions."

Garcelle’s Attempt at Diplomacy

Garcelle brings a gift to Reba in an effort to mend fences, leading to awkward exchanges. Her genuine attempts are met with Reba's cold demeanor, further complicating the mother-daughter dynamic.

Ronnie Karam [07:02]: "Here comes that slut Reba with her latest john named Jim."

Despite the tension, Garcelle remains composed, highlighting the stark contrast between her and Reba's confrontational styles.

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Beverly Hills Dinner Party Dynamics

Kathy’s Capri-Inspired Soiree

Simultaneously, Kathy hosts an Italian-themed dinner party inspired by her trip to Capri. The setup is meticulous, reflecting her refined tastes, but it's clear her staff, especially Carol, bears the brunt of her high standards.

Kathy [14:16]: "Tonight is inspired by my trip to Capri. I love pasta. I love lemons."

Interactions Among the Guests

The dinner party is a convergence of various personalities, including Dorit, Bo, and Erica. Garcelle and Kyle’s absence at the Augusta gathering creates an undercurrent of exclusion and competition among the guests.

Ben Mandelker [23:49]: "I'm sorry, come again?"

PK’s Divorce Drama

A significant portion of the episode focuses on PK’s tumultuous divorce. DK and Ronnie dissect PK's irresponsible behavior as a father, emphasizing his absence and lack of accountability.

Ronnie Karam [35:38]: "He doesn't want custody. Stop it."

Erica provides legal insights into California's community property laws, advising listeners on the implications of divorcing before the 10-year mark to avoid long-term financial obligations.

Ronnie Karam [40:23]: "I'm out of this divorce. I'm doing this right now."

Garcelle’s Mediation Efforts

Garcelle attempts to mediate Sutton's strained relationship with Reba, urging for respect and understanding. However, Sutton remains skeptical of Reba's intentions, believing her mother prioritizes lifestyle and money over genuine support.

Ben Mandelker [28:33]: "She thinks you’re taking all this money that she could be using to make sure that I'm going to be okay."

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Clashing Perspectives and Resolutions

Sutton’s Confrontation with Reba

Sutton confronts Reba about her lack of support, especially regarding her entrepreneurial endeavors. Reba's dismissive response exacerbates their rift, leaving Sutton feeling undervalued.

Ronnie Karam [27:43]: "You're just being a tough cookie."

Kathy’s Reflections on Marriage Longevity

In a parallel narrative, Kathy reflects on her enduring marriage, attributing its success to shared interests and financial stability, contrasting sharply with Garcelle and Sutton's chaotic relationships.

Kathy [34:36]: "We just both like being rich together."

Final Showdown and Emotional Catharsis

The episode culminates in an emotional showdown where Sutton demands respect from Reba, leading to a cathartic exchange. Ben and Ronnie commend the show's writers for focusing on character-driven drama without unnecessary gimmicks.

Ben Mandelker [43:53]: "What a great episode."

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Conclusion

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam wrap up the episode with praise for the intricate storytelling and character development showcased in this installment. They highlight the evolving dynamics between Augusta’s residents and the intricate personal struggles that drive the season’s narrative forward.

Ronnie Karam [43:54]: "Good job, guys."

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Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker [02:05]: "I can tell you right now that is some evil meemaw hair."
• Ronnie Karam [03:31]: "The Marcel Marceau of microaggressions."
• Ronnie Karam [07:02]: "Here comes that slut Reba with her latest john named Jim."
• Ben Mandelker [28:33]: "She thinks you’re taking all this money that she could be using to make sure that I'm going to be okay."
• Ben Mandelker [43:53]: "What a great episode."
• Ronnie Karam [43:54]: "Good job, guys."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Watch What Crappens offers an in-depth and humorous analysis of the latest developments in RHOBH, particularly focusing on family tensions and personal conflicts in Augusta. Ben and Ronnie's dynamic commentary provides listeners with both entertainment and insightful critiques, making it a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper understanding of the show's intricate relationships.

Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

So here we are in Augusta. So they drive up, they drive to Sutton's house and she's like, I just love Augusta, Georgia. It's where I grew up. And of course it's also where I learned the art of ballet. Let's get some pictures of that. Okay, great. Thank you. And I have all my childhood friends and they're still my friends for life. They're still my friends for life. So we see a lot of pictures of her hurt too and re beholding her. And I can tell you right now that is some evil meemaw hair. And I think they all had it back then because my meemaw had it too. And that woman was a terrorist. She was terrifying. She was a very sweet lady, but especially in the younger years, she could be terrifying. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ronnie, I have a question. Do we think that Sutton loves Augusta? Because I'm not sure she's said it this episode has. She said, I love Augusta this episode. Has she? She has, actually. She has.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Augusta.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love Augusta. I just love Augusta. I am so happy in Augusta.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I like when she said that all her childhood friends are still, like. She's, like, there. And they are still here in my life. Now, do I talk to them? No. Do I acknowledge them?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do I allow them to look at me in the eye?

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they still are in my life. I see them on the fringes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do I ever invite them to the Elton John Oscars party? No, I don't. But you know what? Maybe one day I'll see him at Giorgio's. Somewhere that we're eating Italian food. I don't know. It's not Chuck E. Cheese.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not glamorous. It's Chuck E. Cheese. But, you know, we do what we can in Augusta, which I love.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am nervous when anyone meets my mother for the first time. Doesn't matter who they are. Especially now. Garcelle and Kyle flown all the way out here to Georgia. Please be nice, Mom. I would be nervous, too. Like, I was waiting. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie. I was waiting for some cringy microaggression to come out of Reba's mouth when she met Garcelle. And I'm. I'm still waiting for it because I feel like it's gonna happen.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I came out of her eyes. That's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Came out of her eyes? Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Microaggression all over the place. I mean, if you could pantomime microaggressions. This woman's the Marcella Marceau of Augustine. Microaggressions.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Marcel Marceau of microaggressions. And Garcelle picks up on it because Garcelle hates her. And I love it because Garcelle's like, oh, I'm not gonna let this lady get away with this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you have to put up with your mother. I don't. Get over here, you old. I'll take you down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Garcelle's like, I've been. I've been. I've been practicing my whole life for this moment. Hold on. No. Reba.

[Ben Mandelker]

Next time I meet your mother, could it be at the top of a flight of stairs? Thank you. It's my only request.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have you ever seen that feel good movie, Dolores Claiborne?

[Ben Mandelker]

So they show up at this house. It's enormous and it's very southern. It's like, got the columns and the manicured LS and the, you know, probably mosquitoes the size of little dogs ready to suck the fucking life out of you.

[Ronnie Karam]

The doorbell literally goes. I say, I say, I say.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go in, and so it's like, oh, come on, guys, it's not that big. It's just 4, 500 square feet. Come on, give it a break.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, sure, not that big. So Garcelle says, well, I don't expect anything less from Sutton. The house is opulent and beautiful, and there's just a southern feel about it. You know, old school people on their porches having lemon waving to your neighbors, not saying what they really feel. It has just that feeling, you know, and you don't get that in Beverly Hills. Everybody's behind the gate in Beverly Hills.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they check out the house and there's these huge. I mean, just gorgeously done roofs. Now, I will say the furnishings and all that other stuff are not great. This house, I mean, I think it needs a little work on the interior. What do you think?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it just was. It's just so not my style. It's just not.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was definitely very Southern, kind of old. It wasn't old timey, but it felt old fashioned. And it just. It felt like a kind of like a hotel more than it did a house that people lived in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I need some more fanciness in that, in the furnishings, I'll say that. But I loved all the paneling and all. I mean, it's a pretty house. Okay, so they look at their rooms and stuff. And then Kyle is looking at pictures and saying who people are, you know? And then we see John Clark and his wife Ashley. He's the brother. And then we see Sutton and all her children when they were young. And she's like, you want to see some good ones? Here's some good pictures of Reba. And they're like, why do you have prison bars in front of her face? Oh, I added those in Photoshop later. They just make me feel better. Like, one day mama's going to meet her karma, you know, and we see.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pictures of Sutton in her debutante gown, etc, and it's. So then Garcel. Then Reba shows up with her friend Jim from Savannah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, quotation marks, like, the editors were like, insinuate that Reba's a dirty Rotten.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here comes that slut Reba with her latest john named Jim. Garcelle's like, oh, hello. And son's like, oh, hi, Mom. Hi. Hi. And Garcelle's like, hi, nice to meet you. And Reba's like, nah, thank you. Good to see you, too. And then she sees, you know, she's just saying hello to people.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Carcelle's just so sweet. She just keeps saying, so, good to see you. Wonderful. How do you do? Nice to see you. Wonderful to be here. Aren't you gorgeous? And the mom's just like, huh? And then she sees Kyle, and she's like, oh, well, aren't you pretty? Why didn't she say that to me? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everybody's like, this is Jim, my friend from Savannah. He's got a dick the size of three clown feet. Oh, mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

On television, his name is Jim, but we call him Jimmy Dean because he's got a sausage down the front of his pants. Ain't that right, Mother?

[Ronnie Karam]

Me mother, that. That's a television. Oh, didn't realize that's what that was. I thought it was a new Taycan Toyota. So Kyle's like, nice to meet you. So they're, like, having some chit chat and everything. And Garcelle comes in. She. She steps away and comes back with a gift box. And she's like, well, hope this goes over well, Reba. I bought you a little present just to say, you know, hi, whatever. And she goes, oh, goody. What is it? She says, well, you've got to open it, Reba. She goes, oh, well, I like to know what it is first.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't just open things that random people tell me to open. You gonna tell me what it is, or am I gonna have to electrocute it out of you, Jim?

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle's like, I got you a gift, too. Oh, my God, I can't wait to read to see what your gift is, Kyle, I'm gonna open it right away. Don't even tell me what it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Garcelle's like, well, why would I tell you what the gift is? She goes, why are you laughing? What is it? Is it a trick? Is it a snake in a box? Is it a lizard? I swear to God, I saw one of those on the patio the other day, and I said, sutton, I told you to moisturize.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm calling the police. So then Reba opens it up, and there's, like, a scarf, and she's like, oh, a scarf. This is real nice. Real nice northern type gift you'd give Me right now. What am I going to do with this? Wipe up a stain.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Sutton's just embarrassed, you know, she's like, I took the time. I went to Saks. I picked out a gift. I had it wrapped. I brought it on the commercial flight. Maybe I should have pulled a Kyle and brought nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. So she's like, well, maybe I could use this as a sarong. I don't know, so. Well, you could do that. Whatever you want. It's yours now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've not been recording this whole time. I hope you're recording. Did you press.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am recording.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jesus. Good Lord. So if I sound shitty today or shittier than usual, that's why. It's just been rough. We've been dealing with this episode, y'all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Excuse me. You always sound good on my.

[Ben Mandelker]

With.

[Ronnie Karam]

With my recordings as well. Your audio comes through. I capture your good audio. It's not like I. It's not like I have an old cassette player in your house that I've got a live feed from.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although very funking it out. So they go look at the backyard, and it's enormous and gorgeous. And then there's like a little servants quarters in the back. Well, it's an enormous servant's quarters. It's bigger than my. My house, but it's huge. And that's where Ms. Reba lives. And she's like, well, after Sutton Left Hand, she needed some place to come back for her, you know, Christian and the children, especially Christian. So we decided I should live on the property as well. When she asked me, she said, mama, I would just like to know where you are at all times. So it's just easier to burn your house down if it's on the same property.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I said. And then she said something about a store.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

She put some dresses in a shop that's about the size of my kitchen in the servants quarters. And I'm supposed to be impressed? I don't even know. Anyway, where's this scarf from? Her shitty little boutique? Sorry, did I say the S word?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. Is this a gender free scarf? You know, her mom terrified. And that's probably also one of the reasons she doesn't like Sutton stores. Because Sutton has a lot of non gender. What do you call that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Non binary.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Non binary. Thank you. Non gendered clothing. But you know what I mean? Non binary clothing and stuff like, that's kind of her niche, I think. Right. And so the mom's probably like disgusting. So Garcelle tries Again. And she's like, oh, well, Reba, I love your grandchildren. Very smart, very sweet kids. And she goes, they are smart. James is kind of weird, and they start cracking up. And Garcelle just goes, well, I got a weird one, too. And she goes, yeah, I know. I've seen him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Wow. Well, then if you've seen him, then you know that Garcello is a great friend to your daughter, so you should really be nicer to Garfield.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you evil old lady. God, the only thing this house is missing is a pool to drown your ass in.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the first haunted house where the ghosts are scared of the humans. So Sutton is like, well, now, mom, now, why would. Why would you call James Word? He's, like, the cool one. He's, like, cool in school. Sutton is so upset. Like, she finally raised a cool child, and grandma's undermining him.

[Ben Mandelker]

The first one that hasn't been bullied. And of course he's gonna be bullied anyway by Reba. And Kyle's like, well, I mean, I feel like I'm supposed to say, I have a weird one, too, because, like, everyone else does. I mean, I'm not going to, but, I mean, I guess I'm supposed to. Here's me, Kyle. Everybody's completely normal and popular.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just say, kim's your daughter. You'll be fine. The other thing is, I love that Kyle's even competitive about having weird kids. Like, what they. Oh, they both have weird kids. Where's my weird kid? I don't have a weird kid. Should I say. Should I say I have a weird kid? So Sutton's like. I mean, she called James weird. And by the way, James is the cool kid in school, by the way. Well, then I said, I have one, too. And she goes, oh, I know. Well, how does she know? Well, Reba. Reba's been stalking you on the Gram Garcelle, which is surprising. You think she'd stalk me because I was actually in the Halloween part of the franchise, kind of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the only reason she signed up for that was because she thought it was something called Instagram and it would be a bunch of other grannies. But fortunately, all she does post on people's. All she does is post on people's feeds. Your grandchildren are weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now, over in Beverly Hills, Kathy is having a dinner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. You should see. You should have seen the face you're frozen in. You're like, that's not right. All right, let's go over to Kathy's Capri dinner. We see A table set with lots of glassware and flatware. Lemons everywhere. Yeah. This is very. Just went to Italy for the first time. I went to Italy, so I have lemon everywhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Kathy's Carol, who's Kathy's brand manager, also known as lady butler, is setting up dinner and they're like, figuring out where the caviar needs to go. Etc. So Kathy comes down the stairs and she goes. Tonight is inspired by my trip to Capri. I love pasta. I love lemons. I love being on an island where you can be at a top horn and look at poor people down below. And there are just a lot of factors when it comes to throwing a dinner party. You know, have to set up everything, have to do everything just right. Spot on. It's a lot of work. I don't have to do any of it. I just walk around. But, you know, it's fun to see other people doing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You've got Carol over there, like, got it. I need the wicker voters. Hurry, Muhammad. God damn it. And she's wearing a. She's wearing her uniform, which is just a flowery dress with a sweater put over it. And I like to think it's like a waiter's uniform for Carol, where she just dresses like this for work. And, you know, that sweater is all nasty and musty and smells like cigarettes. She don't give a shit. She has to wear it every time this old bag has a Capri dinner.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Dorit shows up and Bose shows up and they all sort of gather and do. It's like, oh, hello to my most favorite people in the whole entire world. And Bose is like, well, I have to put this down because I have to give you a full body hug, which is a type of hug that I invented. Now get ready for the booze hug. You know what I'm saying?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're not touching my kneecaps. God damn it. Put your kneecaps against mine. It's a full body hug, cankle to cankle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Harder. I want one of those. Harder, please, harder.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Dorit's like, darling. And so they hug. And then Erica comes and she's like, hello, everybody. Oh, God, I don't know why, girls, but I just feel good today. I feel good today.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's really excited.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello, everybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kathy is like, well, I talked to Kyle, but, you know, she's busy. And I guess they love today Sudden. And Garcelle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah, they went to Augusta. Oh, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Augusta? I didn't even know they went to Maine. You have the Connection to the South. So I just want to know why weren't you invited?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I know I'm from the south. I'm not 90 miles north. You want to talk about a horrible southern mother, I'd like to put those two in a fucking pit and watch them just go at it. But I guess my chance will have to be another day.

[Ronnie Karam]

But don't you want to be mad at Kyle? Don't you want to be mad at Kyle that she didn't say why didn't. Why shouldn't Erica come to this trip? You should be mad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? Fuck em. So then we cut to the ladies in oh, and Kathy's also like, well, why am I not invited either? So everyone's gonna pretend they're upset that they don't get to meet Sutton's mother. You don't even want to hang out with Sutton. You want to see the woman that made her. Jesus Christ. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

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[Ben Mandelker]

We go back to Augusta and we go to the restaurant Luigi's. Luigi's is an established mint in Augusta and I've been coming here since I was a Little girl. It's family owned. I think it's three generations. Let's take a look at Penelope. Penelope, get your close up. Penelope's like, hi, I'm Penelope from Luigi's.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I hear there's, like, a more popular restaurant called Mario's just down the street. Well, that's fine, but some of us like Luigi's, so it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, if anyone can relate to a haunted castle, it's me. You've seen that old bag of bones trying to suck you into a vacuum cleaner and spit you back out?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, dry bones. So Sutton is like, this is kind of what Augusta is. We all know each other, we all support each other, we all love each other. And then in the case of me, we ignore all the other people who know me. So, anywho, I just want to show Kyle and Garcelle what Augusta really is. An Italian restaurant in the middle of Georgia.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they order, and then Sutton's like, well, I'll try the spanakopa. Y'all like that? They're like, what's that? Neither one of them have ever heard of spanakopada.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't believe that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what, LA people, we need to do better because we're just embarrassing it this point. Like, come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, have they never been to a cocktail party? Hispanicopa, like, does. I mean, it's like, one of the most standard past apps that get. That's out there next to, like, pigs in a blanket, even in fancy parties. Come on now. How does city.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, come on now. So and so, anyway, they are going to learn about Schematic Opena. And Garcelle's like, well, I don't know what it is, but we will try it. And also, when Eric and I were Getting to our IVs, I mentioned that we were coming to Augusta. Roll the flashback. And two days earlier, spa day, Erica and Garcelle are talking. They have IVs on in their arms. Garcelle's like, well, you know, we're going to Augusta. And Kyle's going, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, why wouldn't you bring this to the sisterhood? This is a sisterhood situation. Why is she just taking some people and leaving other people out? And I love that they're all going to pretend to be mad at this. It's very funny to me. And Sutton's like, well, you know, Erica and I are push and pull sometimes, and this is very emotional for me, and hence, I don't need to slut here for my mom to judge I'm enough. Okay. I've given her enough fodder for one day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So back in Bel Air, the other women have. Are gathering around, having dinner, sitting around for dinner, and they are choosing their wines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Carol's like, dinner's ready. If Muhammad didn't it up, Muhammad.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kathy is like, well, I'm not a wine snob, but Italian wines, you know, even I am part Italian. I found that out. And Bose is like, are you. What part of Italy are you from? Northern. Northern part of Italy. Yeah. Yeah, the part that's so north, it's actually Germany. Yeah. I was like, oh, really? Did you use 23andMe or ancestry.com? well, no, I was in Venice, and then there was a lady, and she knew everything and also said that I am part Chinese from 3000 BC. It's just a lady. A lady in Venice told me, just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Walk down the street. And they're like, I'm sorry, come again? What?

[Ronnie Karam]

Those.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just laughs. And she's like, girl, no. Just.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, hold on one second. I'm getting a phone call from Garcelle. Hi, Garcelle. You're on speaker. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, bye. Well, happy year of the. Happy year of the bunny rabbit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Actually, I think it's. You're the snake.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know Kathy wouldn't see.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, I see what you did there. Levels layered. Hello, pony rabbits.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, oh, thank you for having us over. This is much better than Augusta. And then we cut to the other group of women who are also cheersing, and they're thanking Sutton for bringing them to this hellhole that serves things that nobody can pronounce. And so Garcelle's like, so, how are you feeling? You haven't cried yet. Are you waiting for the spanakopita? And she's like, wow. You know, the Reba of it all. You know, that's what's going on with me. She's my mother, and I love her, but she's tough. She's a tough cookie, you know? And you know what you do with tough cookies? You put them in milk until they soften up. But I tried that with her. She almost rammed. Never soften. Sad day. You know, she drives around with one of those bumper stickers that says, stop Elder abuse right now. I said, I was just trying to stop my cooking, Mother. Just talk about something else.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle's like, I eat healthy now, so I don't really understand. So then we go to two hours. Or Garcelle's like, yeah, she has a tough Cookie. And we go to two hours earlier, Reba opened up Garcelle's gift. And Garcelle saying, you know, I've heard so much about you, because. Yeah, I've heard much about you, too. She's. Oh, good. I hope I'm gonna see. Oh. Oh, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I've only met a glimpse of Reba, but seeing her, well, one, I think she was tough on you, you know, because that's who she is, let's face it. Not that she was targeting you or anything like she was targeting me, but I just think that that's her way. And sometimes I can see you being like that in a way. Oh, my God, I can't believe she got away with this, because Sutton just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton's eyes turn into those lasers. Like, she's like, should I scream at Garcelle? I need an ally. I need an out. I need someone to hide behind when I call my mom a. So, yes. Save it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, having just met Ariba, I feel like there are a lot of similarities. Like, they're both are. How should I say? This? Tough. And we see montage. Well, we just see Sunday. Name them, name them, name them, name them. You know, no one wants to inch in and make amends or say, I'm sorry, but I hope they can figure out. Figure it out when they're gone and, you know, you. Anything to have one more conversation, to see them one more time, to hug them one more time. You don't want to have regrets. Although, with Reba, maybe we can let that slide.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like I told Kyle when she got bangs. You don't want regrets, Kyle. No, she didn't listen to me. Now look at her. She's still trying to outrun them. And Kyle's like, yeah, well, I remember when you open your story, you had a conversation with your mom. Do you remember that? Roll the clip. Because I don't really remember. I don't remember anything. Roll the clip. So they do. And it's when she's like, mama, I've spent a lot of money. I've spent a lot of time. All my heart is in this store, and it's important for me that you take it seriously. And Reba's like, okay, shall we move on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. All your heart and all your soul into this. Well, I knew you had a small heart and a small soul. Look at this shoebox. So then sudden is like, it just has to just. It's just in that moment, like, you know, I was so excited to have her in the store, and I worked really hard, hard to open up that store and to have my mother come in and not be supportive or overwhelmed with joy for me. I deserve better than that. I deserve better than that for my mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. You know, do you deserve it? Yes, you can. But you can't change a clock. You know what I want to get. You can't change a clock. So let me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You literally can change a clock.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was a bad one. You can't make a baby not poop every time you're trying to change it. Okay? That's just how babies are. Like, what are you going to do? She's a very old baby. And also, Sutton kind of answers her question later in the episode when she says, really, the only reason that she cares so much about Christian is because of the lifestyle and the money. And now she sees you spending all this money that Chris, that you've got basically from being married to Christian. And I'm not saying you don't deserve that money, but in your mom's mind, she's thinking, oh, here she's taking all this money that she could be using to make sure that I'm going to be okay, and she's do. She's spending it all on this exorbitant rent and, you know, West Hollywood on the stupid store.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, I see that. So then Garcelle is like, well, what do you. In her way? What. What do you want her to do? She goes, well, I want her to respect me. Maybe. Maybe that's what I'm looking for, respect. When Christian, I got divorced, her first question was, well, who's gonna pay for this? You know, who's gonna pay for everything? Who's gonna pay for the car? Who's gonna pay for everything? And I said, mom, that's my question to ask, not yours. So Garcell says, well, that's mom making sure you're gonna be okay. It's not necessarily negative. Although we can all agree that Reba's pretty much a Right, right, right. Everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like. And so it's like, well, it was about her. It wasn't about me. Who's going to pay for me. It was about who's going to pay for her bills. And she says, yeah, she was going to. She was so nervous I wasn't going to have enough money to help support her lifestyle. That was very clear. I said, Mama, you need five days, $5 a week to get your damn hair done, okay? You're wearing the Same Moomoo from 1937. Okay? It's not like, it takes that much. I can handle it. Porter can handle it. For Christ's sake, could you just support my story, Mama?

[Ronnie Karam]

We all know you get your hair done at Super Cuts, okay? It's one and away from what we all call you. So then Garcelle is like, well, do you feel like she's seen you? Like, the difference between you being Christian's wife, the homemaker, the mother to now being a. A businesswoman on your own? Like, do you just want her to acknowledge, like, and say, I see what you're doing and I'm proud of you, cuz guess what? Guess what? She's gonna say, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Well, I think watching my mother for years give Christian so much praise. Meanwhile, I'm raising these three beautiful children. There's no sudden good for you. So then we see the picture of the kids, and she's like, you know, I just want acknowledgment from my mom, which I, you know. You know, I feel for her on that one. And Garcelle's like, well, I would love to have a conversation with Reba. And the Carl's like, what would you say to Reba? And they haven't even shown Kyle on the scene. Have you noticed when they cut to Kyle, oh, Kyle's there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'd love it, because Kyle is completely a curious about anyone else. So the fact that they're talking about, like, Sutton's issues with her mom, Kyle's just, like, doing selfies on the side.

[Ben Mandelker]

But they're also not really talking to Kyle. They're just talking to each other. It's like someone made them bring Kyle. And Garcelle says, well, pretty much that I've gotten to know you very well and that you shared things with me and maybe see how we can bridge the gap a little bit here. And Kyle's like, I appreciate her optimism, but getting in the middle of a relationship that is so complex. Not that I've asked everybody to get in the middle of me and my sister's relationships for decades now, but still, like, that's presumptuous. She does that thing with her head, like, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, she does do that. She loves doing that. Can you give me a heads up before this happens? Because I want to get it on the gram. And Sun's like, yeah, before she takes the scarf and wings and rings your neck. So now we go back to Kathy's house, and they're now receiving some lemon pasta, and Kathy is requesting fresh sage. And Bo's like, I have a question for you. Kathy, did you know that I invented sage? It's true. Also, I have been trying to get to know all the ladies, and, you know, you're. I'm trying to get to know your sister really well, and I assume she's probably open and friendly and welcoming to some people, but I haven't found that. I found her to be cold, and I was like. I like. I love the pose.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you for having me over. Here's a question I've had for you. Your sister's a real.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's up? What's the deal with your sister?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I think that Kyle has been cold to me because I immediately connect her with Dorit. And, I mean, they have been having issues, so it kind of makes sense. But it's also very elementary school. It's really, really petty and not in the fun way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't even know what's going on in Coyo's life. Does she open up a lot about what's going on to you, Kitty? Does she? Well, I don't know. I don't really listen too much when she's on the phone. I see Kyle's calling, and I just start looking for that baby spoon that I lost about 13 years ago. I swear Carol stole it. But anyway, you know, I just try and be careful not to bother her because she's Kyle. And when she's going through something in life and she's being traumatized, you know, not only did Mauricio leave her or she left Mauricio, I'm not really sure. But Jamie Lee Curtis isn't returning her calls, ladies. Not returning her calls. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you tread lightly now. And. And Kathy's like, oh, I'm comfortable and, you know, in love. And she's, you know, she is a Capricorn, so if you needed something, she would be here. And it is kind of funny that I'm having a Capri party and I am serving corn and I didn't invite Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, oh, well, you know, Kyle is. Kyle is Kyle. And let me tell you, we have half different parents, and Carl doesn't have any Chinese heritage. I learned in Venice. So don't expect any sage wisdom from her, okay? There's nothing going to become. Speaking of, where is the sage Muhammad? God damn it. Really fucking this up.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Dorit is like, well, Kathy and Rick Hilton. Look at these beautiful monogrammed napkins. So beautiful. How long before Kyle gets some of her own, by the way? My life is pretty shitty right now. And when P.K. and I separated. He was my friend. Well, yeah, of course, because you get him the Pringles. Yes, exactly. Who couldn't help but love pj. So at which point.

[Ben Mandelker]

This scene was so good. This was such a good episode. Really. It was a really good episode. I was laughing so much and Dorit just stares at her. And Eric is like, his name is pk. She's, well, pk. Pj, Old pasty white guy. No one wants to see him in a swimsuit. You know what I meant?

[Ronnie Karam]

So the producer's like, kathy, you are one of the very few long married couples. What do you attribute to your longevity? And he goes, well. She goes, well, we started out very young. We grew up together. We enjoyed the same things. And we just both like being rich together. And we don't have to be out at dinner with couples every single moment. We enjoy just being together. And we're not vapid idiots like Kyle and whoever she's with.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Dorit's like, well, when PK and I decided to see Pirata, we decided to take some time apart. We were going to work on resentments and issues that we have that have built up. But I was very protective of my husband, and it's because I didn't want anything and anyone to think badly of pk. And so we see flashbacks of Garcelle being like, well, I heard about PK's DUI. She goes, Alleged DUI. Alleged. He never blew. He didn't blow. And then when he went to the prison. Prison, he blew. And he was under the legal limit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, why wouldn't you? You've chosen to have two children with him, so we understand that. Yeah. And I think that PJ is a very good father. Am I correct? Wrong. Oh, and buses. Well, you know, there are times that I think PK is the greatest father in the world, but is he the most hands on father? It depends. If you're a marshmallow, yes. If you're a child, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

The only time I got him to even hold the children was when I said that their names were baked in potato. Very, very sad. He disappears. He's gone for weeks and weeks without even calling the kids. This guy's such a piece of like, seriously. And even to ask, like, oh, he's a good father, right? No, he's not a good father. He's not even there. He doesn't even try to be there. And he doesn't even have any reason. He's just being a. You know. Yeah, he's left one, he'll leave another. And now he'll go find some youngin to get with and have another family with them and then leave their asses. This guy's a piece of. And guess what? He's never gonna have money either. He's gonna keep pissing that away too. This guy sucks.

[Ronnie Karam]

I protected him at all costs and no matter what. And I don't think he realizes. It's like, gee, do you even see what I'm doing for you? And so Kathy goes, well, how old is he? 56. Oh, wow. When I first met PJ, I thought he was 56. And I've known him a long time. Wow, he has not aged well. And Bose just goes, that was some shade. And Bose just starts laughing in the corner.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was funny. And she's like, well, you know, I mean, the more I get to know him. And then he lost weight. I mean, oh, I feel terrible, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, and that should have been the first sign, by the way. The first time when PK started to lose weight. That means they're back out there. He's back out there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we know it when your husband all of a sudden just starts going to the gym. No reason. Just watch out, Jim. And getting himself in shape. You better start putting the apple if friends on his ass. Find my friends or whatever the hell. Put an air tag.

[Ronnie Karam]

Find my Fritos. Yeah, so booze is like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I keep losing air tags, babe. Could you keep putting them in chips? Pk, do you remember? I followed one all the way down the sewer line.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I didn't think he'd be doing what he's doing now. Well, what is he doing? I am the girl that wants to know. Well, he just wrote this really angry, horrible note. He said, you know, it's just about finances and I'm going to stop paying for this and you're going to be liable for that, Things like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he wrote her the seven page email saying that in a month or two, she's responsible for the mortgage and all the expenses associated with the house, which is crazy. And they don't even own that house. It's owned by like, it's owned by like a partnership llc, you know, with a bunch of different partners. Like all of their homes have been. But he's expecting her to pay the entire mortgage on this. I mean, this guy's just such a piece of shit. So Erica's like, get a fucking lawyer. And she's like, well, there was also threats of custody. Are you sure it didn't say custardy? Because he doesn't want custody Stop it. It's true. He does not want custody of those children. He doesn't see them. Now he's probably saying custody just to scare you, giving him whatever he wants because he doesn't want those kids. And she's like. And saying that he'll be proceeding with the divorce if she doesn't bend to his will. And she's like, he's not a man I recognize at all. I mean, I used to look at a blob of burrata cheese and say, piquet. Now I look at that cheese and I say, who are you, Cheese?

[Ronnie Karam]

Who are you? Well, this is what happens when people get a divorce. The email and the comment about being a good father. The gloves are off. Everybody is in their absolute worst. So that's what's coming out. I've not seen one woman have a peaceful divorce. Unless the guy died, which I was like, are we. Are we setting up a movie where we kill pk? Is that what's happening here? Oh, God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Prison. He's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is like death. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, if. If he was lying in bed in the hospital, you'd think he was already dead. I mean, the guy has never had sunlight in his life. He can't have that long. No offense. I mean, that's a dark thing to say, but I'm calling it now. So Erica's like, all right, can I ask you a question? You can hate me for it if you want. What do I get? What are you holding on to? And she's like, and both says, do you think he still wants to be married to you? No. Then what are you waiting for? To me? Well, I'm the token idiot wife, aren't I?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you don't have to add wife to that. I mean, it works in many different applications. Okay, but it's like, no, you're not. You're not a token idiot wife. You're just. Just a plain old straight up idiot. So, you know, what are you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Lady with misaligned lvs on all of their for some reason.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are you going to do? What. What are you doing? Is taking off the rose colored glasses off your face. When are you going to do that? And she's like, rose colored glasses equals idiot. Kathy goes, well, what about contact lenses? Could you wear those instead?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, well, here's what I just found out, girls. There's law in California now. We've been married nine and a half years, and there's a law in there goes, oh, yeah, I know it. It's community property. So Once you're marri. Ten years, you get half everything. That's why he's trying to leave you. Before ten, God damn it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And when is ten years? And they're like six months. Oh, hell no. Oh, my God, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, this is disgusting of PK we all know it, but why are we still pretending that PK has money? PK does not have money, okay? PK has never had money. I don't know how PK has been doing it, but how much do you think Boy George make? How much do you think 10% of Boy George, George, Boy, Georgia salary is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, I just went to Costco, got a super size bag of Fritos. It's a combo. Fritos, Cheetos, and lays. I'm not giving up half of that to read, all right? I'm out of this divorce. I'm doing this right now. Out of this marriage before the 10 year mark. Those chips are all mine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, babe, so Erica explains this to. Explains this to us. She's like, in California, when you hit the 10 year mark, you're considered a long term marriage, which means half and half and also spousal supports forever after 10 years. So one of you is going to be paying for the length of the person's life. So if you're going to jump shit, do it before 10 years. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if PK tried to come after her for spousal support and tried to get money, show money from her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it seems like she's the more successful one. So Erica's like, dorit, I'll worry about you. I'm like, how does this woman even understand how to get through life? She can't even turn on a Keurig in the morning. But I really do, okay? I cannot sit here and bullshit you when I know what's going for you. I wouldn't be a good friend. You begged for honesty, and I'm gonna give you the honesty. You have to protect yourself. You have to go and. Hold on a second. Second. The second price of poker has completely changed. This is not my partner. This is not my friend. This is not my. This is my adversary now. And let me tell you, that is a place. And I. I have hair in my arms that's standing on end right now. And I want to pat my puss, but my hair is too prickly for me to even touch it right now because they are standing on end and.

[Ben Mandelker]

They'Re telling her, don't wait. Don't wait. You gotta do this. You gotta do this. And she's like, but don't you think I have to be sure that I don't want to go back? Listen here, dodo lingo. He doesn't want you back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, who doesn't want me back? BK but what does that mean? He doesn't want me to go back to the house. Is he doing a surprise tonight? No, he doesn't want you back in the marriage. He doesn't want me. Doesn't want to see my back in the marriage. Well, we can have sex in a different position. Oh, Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I know that he wants me back. Look, it's right here in the letter. I want my baby back. Yeah, but after that, it says ribs. No, dorit. No dorit. Let it go. You gotta get out. And I love that they ended it with the line, get out. When Garcelle is stuck at Reba's house, I was like, this episode is perfection. What a great episode. I think it's such a good idea to kind of take the season instead of reboot the whole thing. They're just making people hang out with each other like Kyle never would be with Garcelle and Sutton. I don't think that's ever happened before this season. And to just make them go alone, it's really leading to a much better season, I think. Good job, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Good job. Good job. You're doing great work. Thanks, everyone, for being here. It's a fun time. We'll be back in a little bit with some real uplifting Roni reunion recapping. So look forward to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a fun one, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yay. We'll talk to you next time.

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Bye.

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