#2721 RHOSLC S5E19: Bye Body Count Hair - Live from SLC

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2721 Summary: RHOSLC S5E19 - Bye Body Count Hair - Live from SLC

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode Title: RHOSLC S5E19: Bye Body Count Hair - Live from SLC
Release Date: February 7, 2025
Podcast: Wondery - Watch What Crappens

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1. Introduction to Salt Lake City Live Session ([03:51] - [04:00])

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam kick off the live session from Salt Lake City, celebrating its vibrant pop culture scene dominated by shows like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC), Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and Sold on Salt Lake City. They warmly greet their local audience and set the stage for an engaging discussion about RHOSLC.

Ben Mandelker:
"We are so excited to be back here, especially since Salt Lake City is really having a big pop culture moment right now."
([04:14])

2. Presenting the Golden Crappies Award to Angie Katsanevas ([06:11] - [09:16])

The hosts highlight the success of Angie Katsanevas, who has been honored with the Best Bravo Liberty of 2024 award. Angie joins them live to accept her accolades and share her experiences from the show.

Angie Katsanevas:
"I came out of the starlit closet. I was really proud to be on the show and see my hard work pay off."
([09:30])

Ronnie Karam:
"Ladies and gentlemen, the winner of Best Bravo Liberty of 2024, Angie Katsanevas."
([06:54])

Angie discusses her journey from a friend of Jen Shaw to a full-time cast member, highlighting her growth, authenticity, and the challenges she faced, including overcoming rumors and personal struggles.

Angie Katsanevas:
"I learned that being my authentic self paid off. I was vulnerable and real in my friendships, and finally, it all sort of paid off."
([12:18])

3. Deep Dive into Angie's Season and Achievements ([09:16] - [17:22])

Ben and Ronnie delve into Angie's impactful season, emphasizing her role as the center Snowflake and her significant influence on the show. They discuss her handling of personal issues, relationships, and her interactions with other cast members.

Ben Mandelker:
"You've had a very strong season, which means you're probably going to be on the receiving end of some drama, but just keep doing what you're doing."
([13:30])

Angie humorously shares anecdotes about her experiences, including dealing with fans, managing her image, and navigating the complexities of Salt Lake City's reality TV landscape.

Angie Katsanevas:
"Sometimes, it just sorts of feels like, finally, I won."
([11:50])

4. Recapping Key Show Moments and Conflicts ([17:22] - [24:49])

The hosts and Angie recap pivotal moments from RHOSLC, highlighting intense conflicts, alliances, and memorable scenes. They humorously dissect interactions between cast members like Bronwyn, Lisa Barlow, Meredith, Heather, Mary, and Britney.

Ronnie Karam:
"When you think someone has hoe hair and you tell her, she deserves that shit... it's hilarious."
([13:06])

Ben Mandelker:
"What really happened across two nights in Salt Lake City? It's all part of the drama we love to discuss."
([Focus on stories rather than specific quotes])

They explore themes of authenticity, betrayal, and personal growth, using notable quotes to illustrate the show's dramatic flair.

Angie Katsanevas:
"If you're a good friend, it translates on camera. If you work hard in your business, people see you."
([12:57])

5. Award Ceremony Highlights and Final Thoughts ([17:22] - [24:49])

The live session culminates with Angie receiving her official trophy and engaging in playful banter with Ben and Ronnie. They celebrate her achievements, reinforce the camaraderie of the sisterhood formed through shared traumas and experiences on the show, and wrap up the live session with heartfelt congratulations.

Ben Mandelker:
"Give it up for the center Snowflake, Angie Katsanevas."
([17:11])

Ronnie Karam:
"Congratulations on a great season!"
([90:23] - Note: Adjusted to fit main content)

Angie expresses gratitude for the support from the podcast hosts and the Salt Lake City audience, highlighting the positive impact of their community.

Angie Katsanevas:
"Thank you so much. I love you guys. It was so fun."
([17:22])

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker ([04:14]):
  "We are so excited to be back here, especially since Salt Lake City is really having a big pop culture moment right now."

• Angie Katsanevas ([09:30]):
  "I came out of the starlit closet. I was really proud to be on the show and see my hard work pay off."

• Ronnie Karam ([13:06]):
  "If you think someone has hoe hair and you tell her, she deserves that shit... it's hilarious."

• Angie Katsanevas ([12:57]):
  "If you're a good friend, it translates on camera. If you work hard in your business, people see you."

• Ben Mandelker ([13:30]):
  "You've had a very strong season, which means you're probably going to be on the receiving end of some drama, but just keep doing what you're doing."

Conclusion

In this lively episode of Watch What Crappens, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide an engaging and humorous recap of RHOSLC Season 5 Episode 19, celebrating Angie Katsanevas's accomplishments and delving into the intricate dynamics of Salt Lake City's reality TV scene. Through witty banter and insightful discussions, they offer listeners both seasoned fans and newcomers an entertaining and comprehensive overview of the latest happenings in the world of Bravo's reality television.

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Note: The summary focuses on the main content between [03:51] and [24:49], excluding advertisements and non-relevant segments to maintain clarity and relevance for those who haven't listened to the episode.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hello, Salt Lake City. Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

So good to see you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello to all the alcoholics in the balcony. Yes. In Salt Lake City, they cordon you off into a different area to have your drink. So I always know who my people are. Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are so excited to be back here, especially since Salt Lake City is really having a big pop culture moment right now. Yeah, it really is between Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I guess technically Sold on Salt Lake City, which we enjoy. Yes. I love this a fan right here. That's Jen Yeoh, everyone. I'm just kidding.

[Ronnie Karam]

I actually really like that show. I love all the gigantic houses with like, no personality on that show. I'm really into it. I'm from Texas. We have the same thing. Just add some like, big bullhorns and we'll. We'll be the same.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we're really obviously very excited to not only be in Salt Lake City, but to also be recapping the real house of the Salt Lake City tonight. We are.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which, I mean, like, how good was this season? Yeah, it was a very good season. It was a very good season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Very good. So also the men here. My God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, you guys are killing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lord. How do you do it? How do you do it?

[Ben Mandelker]

So did you look at him?

[Ronnie Karam]

Just moving on. No, I need to talk about the men, they're so hot. I was actually trying to figure it out at lunch today. I'm like, how are they so hot here? I mean, we've been to a lot of places. They're like, even the ugly ones are hot. I was like, that's the ugliest guy in the Mexican food restaurant. I'd still do that guy. I mean, he's gorgeous. Ben thinks it's because of backpacking. That's Ben's theory.

[Ben Mandelker]

Backpack. Yeah. Cause I. Well, I said people are outdoorsy here. You know, like, people see you guys clap for that. I said outdoors. You guys are like. You guys are like, yay, outdoors. No, it's like mountains and rivers and mountains, glaciers. It's like, very outdoorsy. So you go out there and you're exercising. Whereas in la, like, hopping in our car to go down the street. So, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, whatever you're doing, please keep doing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And by the way, speaking of mectin food, we went to the Red Iguana today.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was very good. It was a communist iguana, which was rough. It was hard to get past that, but it was delicious.

[Ben Mandelker]

We had our political differences, but by the way, speaking of Salt Lake City, did you guys. Were you guys able to watch our Golden Crappies this past weekend? Because Real House House of Salt Lake City won the big show, the big award for us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And, you know, you watch these shows and you see people accept their awards and cry, and they're like, this changed my life. And it's so amazing to, like, change lives.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's so important. And our. One of our winners, you know, she's just. Her life has totally changed. She's been getting movie offers. They've been dropping bags of money on her head.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so she really wanted to be able to cry in public, so we are proud to give her that opportunity.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ladies and gentlemen, the winner of Best Bravo Liberty of 2024, Angie CatSunev.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. Welcome home, everyone. Oh, my God. There's a Greek flag. How did you know? How did you know? Are you Greek?

[Ben Mandelker]

She is Greek. I'm Greek.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I'm Greek. Did I say it right? I'm Greek.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am Greek.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I am Greek, in case you didn't know. My God. I feel like this is a party for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, it is. It is a party for you.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, my goodness. I always turn it back to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You should, because you had.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I tend to do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You had an amazing, amazing season. Angie actually won two Awards at the Golden Crappies. I think you were the only one to win two awards. Cause you won for best Bravo Liberty. But also for best quote, which I.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Believe was high body count hair. And I see a lot of it tonight. To my left, to my right, all over the place.

[Ronnie Karam]

This actually is high bodycon. Hair.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Actually looks a little pornish.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sick of it getting pulled.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, that means it is a little porn. That's why you had to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. In my world, this is high body cat hair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, you know, and by the way, of course, since we are seeing you within, like, five days, the Crappies, we have to present you with your official trophy.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I didn't even have to go all the way to New York. I can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Please enjoy this Sabra hummus.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I mean, is this just something that was in the green room? You couldn't even get me a tzatziki sauce?

[Ben Mandelker]

How dare you accuse us of that. How dare you?

[Angie Katsanevas]

Hummus is Greek too, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you know that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's why we got it for you.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Hummus.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're not handing you a pizza, lady. All right. So effort went into that.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Okay, well, I will. It expired last month, but okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was made with care. And we were, you know, the. It was thinking of things like Zeus and Pegasus.

[Angie Katsanevas]

This is true. Thank you. And Greeks do eat hummus, so. And it looks like there's a little olive oil and oregano and. I'll take it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Come on.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so how has. How's it changed for you this year when you. I mean, you've been on the show. This is your third season, right? On the show. But this was your first year, kind of like coming out. Yes. How did it feel to be given.

[Ben Mandelker]

The star glow up? You came out of the starlit closet.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I did, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't say that around this show.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, well.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, you guys can relate. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. We've been here.

[Ronnie Karam]

We'll throw you a party.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, okay, so you start off as a friend of. To Jen Shaw. And then last season was like, oh, Angie K. Is on the show full time. And then this season, though, all of a sudden, center Snowflake, first chair at the reunion.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I know. My gosh. Can you believe it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what did you think when you saw yourself as the center Snowflake?

[Angie Katsanevas]

Well, it reminded me of, like when I started out as a bagger at a grocery store for $4 an hour. And then I became employee of. I was making $4 an hour. And it was like, wow. It showed that, like, all my hard work paid off.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right.

[Angie Katsanevas]

And when I met with my manager that I was working my way to the top. No, but for real, you know, it did. I actually cried when I found out. And some people might find that silly, but I just felt like, whoa. I came on the show, and I felt like people were trying to take me out, people were trying to ice me out. People wanted to make it hard on me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, yeah, they were doing their jobs.

[Angie Katsanevas]

They were doing their jobs.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like working in a meatpacking district and getting mad that they're packing up a meat. I mean, they.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, these phrases take me out. You know, that's very Greek mafia sounding.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Well, the mafia rumors may have been true a little bit. May or may not have, but, you know, I just kind of felt like I felt blindsided with the rumors, the nastiness, all the allegations. It really wasn't what I was expecting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Angie Katsanevas]

So I think I felt like the fact that I rebounded and that I worked my way to the top. I wasn't a backup dancer. I was in the center of the show. For me, it's really just, like, the story of my life. I learned, being raised by immigrants, that if you wanted something, you had to work hard for it. And I felt like I put in the work. I was vulnerable. I was real in my friendships. I loved the women that I loved, and I felt like I did everything right, and it just sort of, like, finally paid off, and I felt like I won.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, yeah, you killed it. You really killed it this year, I have to say. When. When they showed the. The cast at first and you were the central snowflake, I was like, I can't believe Angie Kay is the snowflake. Only because you were still so new, and you got, like, you got the big dogs. You got meredith and heather, etc. And lisa barlow. So I thought, okay, what this means is the two people on the ends are having such a big feud that you're caught in the middle. But it turns out you really did have a center. Snowflake season.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

When do you guys. When do you guys find out, like, what position your snowflake is in? Like, is that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, actually, do you shoot it all together or is it, like, composite?

[Angie Katsanevas]

No, you're not. You don't shoot it together. Everyone shoots their photo singly, and then you kind of find. I mean, I really found out just a couple weeks before, and I really.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did Find out before the show aired. Right?

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yeah. A couple weeks before we aired, I really did cry. And I was. And some people laugh and say, like, oh, my gosh, like, she takes it so serious. But I do because I think, you know, anytime you put a lot of work into your relationships, you know, parenthood, your business, that it shows and you stand out. And I felt like my hard work paid off. And I also felt like being my authentic self paid off.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Angie Katsanevas]

And that's huge. I think it translates on camera. If you're a good friend. It translates. If you work hard in your business, people see you. So authenticity.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you think a girl has hoe hair and you tell her, yeah, I mean, you deserve that shit.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you think someone needs to know everything they did wrong in scroll form, you bring the scroll.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yes, it's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your prop work. I mean, you've got prop work, you've got costume work saying so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, just keep doing what you're doing. Because I. Because we were saying, like, you had, like, a really strong season, which means that you're probably going to be like, on the. You're going to be on the receiving end.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're coming for you now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come for you, but just keep doing what you're doing. You have fun with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You and Bronwyn, they're coming for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Next time it's going to happen, better.

[Ronnie Karam]

Buddy up to Bronwyn because they're coming, baby.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, my God. I need an ally. No, just kidding.

[Ben Mandelker]

So wait, so you first came on the show with Jen Shaw. So how did you tell us about the origin story of you and Jen Shaw?

[Angie Katsanevas]

Jen actually was a client of my business back in, like, 1999, and she was very sweet, she was very quiet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can I just say, I love that Jen was looking for somewhere to get her hair. And the place she was attracted to was called Lunatic Fringe. Those. Those are my people.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I know, True. Who would have thought, right? And she had a little. A line bob and these, like, light green contacts. And she was so sweet and so pretty and so quiet and timid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Isn't that crazy? It's always the quiet ones.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's always the quiet one, Jen Shaw. Quiet and timid.

[Angie Katsanevas]

And then I was, like, coming on the show with her and I saw a whole new side of her. But, you know, the show can bring out a crazy side in people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I never would have expected that there was, like, a meek side to Jen Shaw. So this is sort of like rocking my world.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Angie Katsanevas]

She was so, so sweet.

[Ronnie Karam]

And what about Monica? Did you know, did you sense any of that? Like, kind of star climbing? I don't know. What would you call it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, stalking.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Stalking. I like that. I like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also, when you were speaking with Monica, did you ever hear clicks on your side of the phone? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just kidding.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just kidding.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, did you have a light.

[Angie Katsanevas]

In the room flashing in the corner?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because you also know who reality Von Teese even was.

[Angie Katsanevas]

No, I swear to God. And I believe in God.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, but like, the site, like the.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, yeah, I did. And they would always post. They would. Yeah, they would post about me and be like, oh, my gosh, Angie K should be on. And so I'd like, hit hearts. And like. I mean, I didn't know what it was. I was like, oh, thanks. They tagged me. And it was. But I had no idea.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Oh, well, that's good.

[Angie Katsanevas]

They were mean about me.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Good.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yeah. Because I wasn't on the show yet. It's when you're on the show that they were coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who else. Who else remembers that scene when they're on the beach and Heather's like, she is reality Von Tees. And we were all like, oh, my God. But none of us had any idea what that meant. We're like, holy shit. Also, who is that? I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I don't know why, but I'm just gonna go with it. Cause it's windy.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Clutching your pearls.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was clutching my pearls and I didn't know why. I was like, I'm following the music cues.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Oh, that is so funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

So do you know when you guys start shooting? Are you shooting yet? Probably in a week or two. No. Or you're not allowed.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I don't know if I'm coming back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just kidding. They better.

[Ben Mandelker]

If there's anything you can't answer. Just.

[Angie Katsanevas]

No, that was a joke. I just said that because I was kind of pretending I'm. I may not be getting invited back, but of course I'm coming back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just kidding.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yeah. Yeah. Season six is on the rise. Shooting in a few weeks. It's like, everyone's going to know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hope you guys all come back because, honestly, you guys are really probably the best ensemble on Bravo right now. Like. Like, it's been, like, amazing season after amazing season.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I started to learn you don't have to like each other to know that you can make a great show together. Yeah, I mean, I don't mean that about all of them, but just about some of them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yeah. I mean, it's housewives. You can't like, all of them, all the time. You'd be out of a job. You know what?

[Angie Katsanevas]

It's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's true. All right, well, thank. We like you. Thank you so much for being here.

[Ben Mandelker]

We love everyone.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I love these guys. I didn't know they liked me, I thought. And then I started keep listening, and I'm like, oh, they do this to everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Angie Katsanevas]

And now, like, I. I listen to one. I'm cooking or on flights, and I cry, laugh, because you guys are hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ah. We love you, Angie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Give it up for the center Snowflake. Angie Katzenavis.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I don't want to go. It's been so fun. No, thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, well, you're always welcome to sit here.

[Angie Katsanevas]

I feel like these are my people. I'm at home. Thank you. Thanks, guys. I better. I bet they're gonna get a cane and pull me out.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. You can take the microphone with you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll take it. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, Angie. Captain neighbors, ladies and gentlemen. So good. Wow. What an honor. Yeah. Bye. What an honor. That was great.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, let's drag her.

[Ronnie Karam]

This thing only gets my face at good angles. It won't get ugly. Angle face to unlock. It's like, you look ugly right now. I will not unlock. I have to be like, got a space selfie myself. It's like, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

How cool was that? That was so fun. That was amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, here we are with part three of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion. Previously on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Mm. Mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I never said that I bought a necklace.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mm, yes, you did. Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're dead. No, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Emma said. Emma said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Emma said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really? Mm. Well, I said I had a necklace that I bought that I wore. Mm.

[Ronnie Karam]

She called me a whore.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will not stand for slut shaming.

[Ronnie Karam]

Girls, girls, friendship is not calling each other sluts, okay? Friendship is not muffins. Friendship is not kittens. Friendship is not car washes. Shut up, Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heather.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jesus Christ, shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Greeks wash our cars in tzatziki. I am Greek.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you don't play one clip of me with my hair looking good at my bat mitzvah, I am leaving. I am done.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't seem to remember that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's it. I am gone. Gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Melly Melee, what do you think about this?

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a fire.

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

John Barlow fell down a well. No, John, don't leave me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

John Maley just slut shamed Whitney. I Can't even believe it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Wells are stupid. Yeah, Wells are his stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Who falls down the well?

[Ronnie Karam]

That girl who fell down the well is, like, so stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wells are not shit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, watch where on the ground. All right, kids, go home. Stay in the car. What happened to dessert? When are they gonna bring.

[Ben Mandelker]

And scene.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so we pick up where we left off last time. God, these part threes are the reunions. I'm like, I did something. I deserve a paycheck. This is a lot. I don't know how they do it for all those hours, but, God, I love watching it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we pick up with Andy trying to pretty much, like, get the cast, you know, like, on. You know, like, everyone back in their seats and everything. All right, everyone, come on. We got a lot to get through. Got a lot of boobs to ask questions about Britney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Go ahead, have a seat right there. She's like, I don't get a grand entrance. I mean, and Britney. Have you not seen my tiktoks?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, everyone, welcome back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Angie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angie, why are you still talking? Angie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, hi. Oh, hi. Suziki tzatziki. Greek salad fetish.

[Ben Mandelker]

Opa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Opa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Opa, Opa. All right, I'm like, Meredith, 40 minutes ago, really angry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am getting angry. I am leaving.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you insinuating that I have an eating disorder, Andy?

[Ronnie Karam]

And I, like, it just shows Meredith, she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

That'S the best part. What I love about Meredith is that she will be screaming, I will not stick in for this. And then five seconds later, she's like, well, Andy, I was just having a moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, everybody. Well, she likes tzatziki, but this one records every conversation that you might be having. Let's welcome Britney Bateman to the stage. Brittany.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, guys. Thank you so much. Oh, my God, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you so much. Have you ever seen the wolf Cry to the Blue? You called me.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, I didn't like that when it was professionally done, and I don't like it now. Please stop. All right, Now, Britney actually came in the same dress as mgk, which is crazy, but I have to say, Brittany's a good person. She changed her dress, Brittany.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, actually, Jared brought me a new dress. I was like, that was so kind of him. So I had to wear it because Jared brought it for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, thanks a lot. Now, Brittany, can you tell us how you fixed your hair? Did you wear a Kerasace Thermatique?

[Ben Mandelker]

She actually came into lunatic fringe. And I just want to say this is the best your hair has ever looked. And considering it always looks shitty, this is not much of an improvement.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, okay. Poor Britney. Literally. I know, I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, that was too low. All of a sudden, we're like, she's a slut. She's a skank, and she's poor. You guys, be nice to Britney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Takes one to know one. Okay, I've had bad hair my whole life. Brittany speaks for all of us.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, guys, by the way, I forgot to say something. We're a pretty honest podcast, but there's one thing that we have held back, which is we've been intimate with Brittany.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll say Jared. At least. At least that would be believable. We're gay. I don't care where that thing has been. I don't know what you all are worried about. Everyone's like, brit, Jared has been with everybody. I was like, who hasn't? Send them on. Send him over.

[Ben Mandelker]

I understand the shame.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so Andy's like, all right, well, what's the latest between you and Jared? And she's like, oh, we've been broken up. Don't worry, everybody. I'm standing strong this time. This time we are done. Hold on a second. Jared's calling me. I'll be in the parking lot. I'll be right back.

[Ben Mandelker]

And across the bottom of the screen, it says, editor's Note. Since the reunion, they have gone Instagram official again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Again.

[Ben Mandelker]

The poor Chiron person on this show is exhausted.

[Ronnie Karam]

They don't even need it because Heather's there. You know, she's with her receipt. She's like, receipts of you being at Cliffs. Timeline of you being at the premiere party together. What are the other ones?

[Ben Mandelker]

Proof. And screenshots of Jared.

[Ronnie Karam]

Imagine, like, Cher forgetting her own songs. Cause she sung them so many times. Like, I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Receipts proof.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So wait, was it just deleted or was it deleted? Deleted of the deleted. Heather has always got a Best of Clip show running in her own mind. She does My girl focus. We're still in the year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bronwyn. You seem to think the Osmond name had a lot to do with Britney's attraction to Jared. Cause it sure wasn't his face. Let's be honest.

[Ronnie Karam]

Flashback to Bronwyn being like, so are you really into him because he's Jared or are you into him because he's an OSMOND Yes. Because you're using him? Is that what you're saying? You're admitting that you're using him?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, never. I'm just a little bit country and he's a little bit rock and roll.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn's like, well, I don't know if that's the case. I really don't. But maybe it is the case. And it probably wasn't super cool of me to insinuate that, you know, especially before I bought that necklace. I'm owning up to it. I'm owning up to it. So my feeling is he wouldn't claim you publicly and he was treating you poorly. And you know everything I know about Jared. I mean, he is categorically the worst. So you've heard about his text, right? Shall I read something that he sent to me? Shall I? Shall I? Should I? Should I? Is my phone coming out? My phone is coming out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, this is what he. This is what he said. He said, todd has one foot on a banana and one foot in the grave. Wait, no. Wrong text. Wrong text. He called me a treacherous little bitch on Twitter. Uh huh huh huh. Yeah. There's nothing that says. Nothing that says he is a treacherous little bitch. More than calling a woman that. Uh huh, uh huh. Brittany's like, just hearing carnival music.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so we see his tweets come on the screen. She is so damaged from her past relationships that she makes me out to be the bad guy she needs to date. I need to date a stable woman. And then about Bronwyn, there's something really off about you. I think I figured it out. You're a tragic little bitch.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I get it with Britney. He's just so charming. And Heather goes, but didn't you also say that he had a micropenis? Just wanna.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's not the same thing. You can say you have a micro penis without calling me a bitch. Those are two different things, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sabrina goes, that's what he was responding to. Just the micropenis thing. That's it. He was just really upset about that. Osmonds have very big penises.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's the only one. He's usually very respectful and don't call women bitches unless they bring up his penis. Then it's just. It's all out the window.

[Ben Mandelker]

But there's like a vague defense for him. Cause then Lisa's like, yeah, that's what he was like, really upset about, you know? Cause his dick is in question. She literally said, his dick is in question.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Heather's like, listen, I Just. I've never heard anything. But I would never put Osmond and micropenis in the same sense. What, are you gonna come after Brigham Young's package next? This is Utah. You don't do that here. You don't do that here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She goes, out of respect for the Osmonds.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Lisa's like, you know what? To be fair to him, he offered to show it to all of us. And I said, no, thank you.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know what I did say on the after show? I never said that Jared has a small penis. I just said that I think I missed the John and Justin fight because someone was telling me the story. And then we see this weird clip of someone telling Bronwyn a messy gay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, you know it was one of us too. And I was so proud of this little messy gay guy. I was so proud of him because he got in there, he's like. A certain individual comes into the spot. I was like, girl, you're not supposed to say that. Isn't there like HIPAA laws or some shit? You can't say that. How else are we supposed to have sex with the mayor?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we just hear. And then we just hear unintelligible, which, you know, the gabs going. And then Bronwyn's like, the smallest thing. So her telling me that he's bad to her but he's a good fuck is all bullshit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, you can still be a good fuck with the micropenis.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? To quote Donnie, maybe he is a soldier of love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great spoiler. And we're back. So Bronwyn's like. And I was blown away by it, no pun intended. To which you know. Do you want me to read what Jared sent me? Do you want me to read it? I'm gonna read it. Do you want me to? You do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everybody does. I know what he wrote. I know what he wr. Was recording him. I said, is there a dick pic? Come on now.

[Ronnie Karam]

It is filthy. It is filthy. And Britney's like, no, no, that's not necessary. He told me about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the best is cause Bronwyn's like, do you want me to do the whole thing or just the worst part? And Mary goes, the whole thing, babe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't hold back now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary's like, I've been waiting three hours here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, okay, Honestly, Bronwyn, what the fucking hell is your fucking problem? I'm a little bit country, you're a little bit rock and roll. Are you fucking kidding me? Coming out on national television making fun of my Anatomy, you little bitch. Do you even understand the backlash I'm getting on social. I guarantee I'm twice the size of any man you've ever. She's with a 65 year old man. Let me tell you what keeps growing. Your ears, your nose, and your nuts. Those things are down to the ground by now. You can say a lot about Todd, but I'm sure that thing could be used as a scarf at this point. You get off Todd's nuts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, who are the Jared Osmond fans that are now giving him backlash because of this? Like, wait a second, Jared. You had us believe you had an enormous dick and now I'm mad. You lied to us, Jared Osmond. I'm canceling my fan subscription.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am disgusted by what a low vibrational hu. Oh, I love when people bring self help while they're. They bring in like pop psychology terms while they're calling a woman a bitch. I know you're a low vibrational human to disparage me like that. All for the sake of trying to earn your spot on the show. Oh, and this is my favorite part. Everybody wait for it. All right, we've waited for 18 ellipses. Nods. You can go ahead. Now. I could certainly pick apart all your anatomy, but I'll remain classy in the public eye and keep it between you and me. Oh, thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, thanks. Okay. You know, for a moment I was afraid you wouldn't be classy after you called me a fucking bitch 20 times in a while. Nice to know. It's nice to know that there's still a gentleman left in the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Boo, Jared Osmond.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bo.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also to all the women giving Jared Osmond, can we just have some self respect, for Christ's sake? I don't ask for it much, but just send this one case. He's not hot enough for that. No one is hot enough for that, but especially him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Britney is like, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that I'm still attracted to him. So Andy's like, all right, well, arrow from head says, Brittany, do you think Jared was using you to get famous by being on this show? I mean, by the way, could there be anything sadder than Jared using Britney to get famous?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, well, actually, you know, Jared is saying that you're only on the show because of him. And she's like, oh, I know that, I saw that. But it was after another breakup. He's only disrespectful when you talk about his penis or between breakups, so don't worry about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see a tweet where he basically says, I give her relevance. You're an off brand Osmond.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that what they're calling chlamydia around here? Shut up, Jared.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Brittany is like, well, then he love bombs me and says, that was out of rage. And did you see his whole rant about me? It's really despicable. Should we pull that up?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, finish, okay? Finish.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was just talking about me. Could you imagine an Osmond talking about me? Brittany Bateman.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, listen, I know that he love bombs you, but you should not take the love bombing. Stop taking the love bombing, Britney. Just stop it. I won't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I won't do it. What is a love bomb anyway, by the way?

[Ronnie Karam]

So this chapter is 1,000% closed, everybody. Who are you texting, Brittany? Nobody. Nobody. So Helping from To Conserve Springs wants to know if this group changed your opinion of Britney, knowing that she wasn't speaking to her daughters. And listen, before we even get into this, they didn't bring up a whole lot of the speaking to your daughters thing on the show, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, Britney sure as hell tried. She was like, guys, I have an announcement. My daughter is not talking to me anymore. Thank you. Thank you. I have a storyline. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know. Isn't this just part of parenthood?

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you get this?

[Ronnie Karam]

Me and my mother are friends, but there's been long periods where we didn't speak. No one got on her ass about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you get the sense that when Andy said, hey, group, did your opinions change about Britney? When you found out that her daughter wasn't talking to her, did you get the sense that everyone there was like, we didn't know that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

They were like, oh, yeah, yeah, that. We totally were. Changed our opinions. What's her daughter's name again?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Lisa's like, yeah, you know what? It's a very sensitive situation. And, you know, almost as sensitive as giving hand jobs, you know, in parties.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whitney and Brittany. How many kids do you have? 2. 3 if you count musicals. They're all my children.

[Ronnie Karam]

I need a tissue. And he's like, so you're estranged? And she goes, no, no. Actually, since we wrapped filming, I've reconnected with both of them. We literally talk every day. They say, hello, thank you for calling me. I'm not available right now. But. And I just tell them about my day. I mean, it's just wonderful. Every day, just so comforting.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it was hard for me, like, when you shared that with me. You flat out told me I put men before my daughters. And I said, what men? Because there are no men.

[Ronnie Karam]

Our kids have to come first, right? I am Greek. And Brittany's like, absolutely, absolutely. That is the biggest regret of my life. Hold on, my daughter's calling. Wait, Jared's calling. Jared, could you call my daughter and tell her that I'm talking to you first? Thank you. You see? It's all working out, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guys, I think this is part of the reason why I've always been afraid to fall in love. Cause, you know, it could put you in a fog, it could put you in a funk, it could put you in a burrito. And the next thing you know, you're wrapped in foil and being put in someone's mouth. And I don't need that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, another speech.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are a sisterhood and we've been through the trenches, and I don't want to be in love if it takes me out of the trench of sisterhoods.

[Ronnie Karam]

And roll the grape leaves.

[Ben Mandelker]

Timelines.

[Ronnie Karam]

Roll the grape leaves.

[Ben Mandelker]

And proof.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. You know what? It's just really hard. People don't understand when you're a mom and you're single, you just want a date. And sometimes a man comes along and your daughter's a little bitch. I mean, I don't blame her. Sometimes it just fogs you over. What are you gonna do? I'm like, heather, can you just have a moment of not sticking up for the worst fucking actions on the show, no matter what happens. Hey, Jared called her a bitch. Well, they don't like when you make fun of their micro penises. That's just what it is. Jim Shaw's a monster, but she's a good telemarketer.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I'm ride or die. So Bronwyn's like, well, I have judged Britney incredibly harshly based on the fact that you weren't talking to your daughters. And I just only had to base it on just everything else about your life. So I do feel like you should be, you know, you should have been putting them first. And also based on my situation being a single mom for a long time. Uh huh, uh huh. That there was a lot of opportunities that I didn't take where there were a lot of people that I didn't date. And there were a lot of things that I didn't do because Gwen only had me. So I wound up with Todd. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you know how much I could have done? I mean, I could have been the bell of the ball. I could have done so Many things. And I said no until a man who could barely walk came along, and he used a phone that didn't even have a plug that worked anymore. And I said, that's him. That's him. It felt safe. And Brittany's like, that's true. And so you know this. And so instead of supporting me, you were the only one that knew I was estranged from my daughters. Actually, out of everyone here, you had a personal connection. So why did you meddle? Why did you pour gasoline? Why did. She's like, doing the facial. You know, the gasoline facial expressions.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that beautiful?

[Ronnie Karam]

The hand movement for gasoline. She's like, you pouring gasoline all over it. Why would you do such a thing?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's using her Little Mermaid acting skills right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I know you want to blame me for that. Oh, so you didn't pour gasoline? Gasoline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gasoline.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've known. Yes, I get it. I understand what gasoline is. Yes. Mm. No, I've never talked to your daughters, Brittany. I never did.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, you did, Gaston.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I actually. I didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I know you didn't actually talk to my daughters. You used your flying monkeys to do it. I'm flying high, defying gravity. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

What was that about the flying monkeys?

[Ronnie Karam]

Just calling her a witch.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Bronwyn's like, well, you know, they said to me, brittany is going to show, going on the show with you, and I'd be very careful. And Bronwyn, you know, they have a tricky relationship and they don't want to be talked about on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it was way more complicated than that. Britney, she's like, well, you know what? I didn't talk about the girls on the show. And Heather's like, but you call them chaotic af. That can break families apart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, the moment you say someone is chaotic af, I mean, you might as well just call up the divorce attorney. It's over. Drugs have nothing on that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not responsible for what somebody else said to your daughters. You sent your monkeys, you wicked witch.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, I don't. What are we even talking about? Cause I know we were all like, what is this?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, what did Bronwyn do? Cause if she did it, pin her down. Like, I wanna get it. I want the info on what she did. But Britney's like, oh, she said things, Andy. She said things such as, britney's never done Broadway. Britney's making everyone call her Britanny.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, you know, the sort of things that could ruin a career.

[Ronnie Karam]

That could ruin your relationship with your children. Your children Are like, mother, I'm never speaking to you again. I thought you were on Broadway. So Lisa's like, yeah, but you did say that she's never done Broadway. Got you on that one. Gotcha.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Robin goes, never to her daughters, children must be protected with Broadway lies.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, why would that make it hard with her daughters? I just don't understand that. Brittany's like, but this is. They were so alarmed. Her friends to be caretakers of my precious babies. Sat them down and said, listen, your mother was never in Miss Saigon. She used AI. And you broke up their happy marriage to husband number two. And it's all your fault. And Andy's like, oh, okay, so she's the reason you're a stranger from your daughter. She goes, well, for six months it was. I mean, not the whole time, but then we kind of got back together and it was touch and go, gasoline, gasoline. Touch and go, gasoline. I was like, are you just trying to confuse us? What the fuck are you talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

Basically, they never lost touch and they had a normal relationship. Except there was a lie about Broadway in the middle of that. Apparently shattered.

[Ronnie Karam]

She didn't talk to the kids. But then she talked to the kids again. But then the kids found out she was never on Broadway. They stopped talking to her again. That's the story. I mean, I don't blame him. And let me just say it right now, a national tour is not Broadway. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. Whatever. Families I've just broken up. But that's the truth.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's true.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lea Salonga did not have to pack up the helicopter every night after she was done. That's just not how it works. Thank you for the one gay who was like, yes, Leah, I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm seeing Lea Salonga on Wednesday doing Sondheim in la. I'm having the gay. It's the gayest moment of the week.

[Ronnie Karam]

For me and Bernadette Peters. You might as well have just penises slapping you on the face right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not micro penises, though. So Andy is like, okay, so your daughter wouldn't film with us. I mean, your whole media casting was how you weren't speaking to your daughters. So then we see a flashback of some other person on a tape. I was like, is this the mom from Everybody Loves Raymond? Who is this person? Who was this?

[Ronnie Karam]

The mom from Everybody? She looked better than that. How dare you? She looked good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I apologize.

[Ronnie Karam]

But she did look like a different person. But also, I thought that was such a weird casting tape, too. Right. Cause you're casting tape user. You're like, hello, I'm Ronnie. Here's my eight balls. Don't tell me not to live. Just sit in paddock. And Brittany was like, hi, I'm Brittany. My daughters hate me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she literally left. Did you notice that? She goes, yeah, so my daughter's not talking to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So much drama. I think she was trying to sell the drama between her kids or whatever. But they just had the Monica season. They were like, nope, we're not going to have any more mothers fighting with plants in restaurants. We did that last year.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was so great. Where Monica's mom turned to a plant and it was like, can you believe her? Can you believe her? This dessert is disgusting. She's like, mom, it's guacamole.

[Ronnie Karam]

Am I right? Ficus. The absolute disgrace from this one.

[Ben Mandelker]

That remains one of my all time favorite scenes. That was so amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So welcome back. For a group of women so immersed in religion, we witnessed lots of ungodly behavior, from bringing wine to a prayer night to accusations of. Of slut shaming at a bat mitzvah. That's a sentence I never thought I'd say. Ha ha ha. So then we get a flashback to my favorite album of the year. I mean, the Grammys really missed the mark on this one because the best was I am leaving if you don't bar mitzvah right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, let me provide percussion by Mary.

[Ronnie Karam]

Love the bat mitzvah. Meredith. She's like, well, it was extremely special.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was an honor to have my toddlers there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Then we get the Mary trying to get into the bot m and she's like, there was just so many doors, Andy. And we see her like.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Hoff from Torres says, Heather, you said on the after show it's not Angie's responsibility to keep up Britney's facade of being the perfect Mormon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Britney is leading a double life. There, I said it. As a Mormon, we don't drink at. We do not have sex with tiny little people. Well, we can, but we don't talk about it. You're leading a double life on Broadway.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's true. On Broadway.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's an active Mormon. And to be an active Mormon and not get kicked out of the church, you can't have sex. You can't drink, and you're doing both. I was so reassured in how much I love this show. God, I love this show. Where else do you get this, this fight?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Lisa uses this as a moment to promote herself. She goes, well, I do have a tequila brand, a vita. Is there. Is there vita tequila here, by the way?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it's expensive.

[Ben Mandelker]

It must have run out.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's expensive stuff. That's not some well drink. It's like, it's a lot of money. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, one of my favorite traditions on this show is Lisa Barlo going to every restaurant ahead of shooting, giving them a bottle and being like, I'll have a vita margarita. Like it's a thing in pop culture.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. We asked for it at the red place today, and they were like, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Red Iguana.

[Ronnie Karam]

Vida. I was like, I know I'm alive, but I'm asking for the tea.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love the guita mole, please. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they start fighting about, like, what's Mormon and what's not? And then they're start. They're fighting with. They're like, you can't drink. And Britney goes, that's not true. It's up to the bishop. Big musical fan. Big musical fan. Lies. They're like, lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we have real Mormons here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. They're like, oh, that is not true. So Bronwyn's like, well. And of course, you've got Lisa going, nah, that's totally Mormonism. That's totally Mormonism. I love that. That's my kind of Mormonism. Love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

My bishop is Wendy's, and she says, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn's like, well, you know, I grew up Mormon my entire life, and people can do whatever they want to do. But I agree with Heather. You just can't do whatever you want to do. It doesn't matter. Nope. Not Mormon. Not Mormon. Not Mormon.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Brittany. Brittany, I'm 100% on your side with us. Yeah. Yeah. Because I hate Bronwyn, so I'm on your side with us. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Mary just goes, you're sinning.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mar. She doesn't say a lot, but she always sticks the landing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sit in, honey. And Brittany's like, yeah, but then, remember when you told me at lunch that you grew up as Mormon as anyone, and that's why I was talking to you about it, Angie. And she's like, you are not the Mormons I grew up with.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, you are from Provo, but you're not the Mormons that you are. Provo Mormon, not other Mormon. You are Mormons who believe in provolone. Your bishop is provolone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but you know what? Who's to say who's a Mormon or not? The fucking Bible thing that y'all read, that's what. And listen, Christians do the same thing. We just make shit up all the time. We'll be like, oh, the Pope went to bed and he said, everything's okay now. Nuh. That's not how it works. I have the original book. We're all going to hell. Brace yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, is Provo Mormonism different? Because that's where the secret lives of Mormon wives are from. Right? So is that Mormonism? Like, it has to happen on TikTok? Just want to know.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's got the best cheese out of all of the Mormons. All of the Shades.

[Ben Mandelker]

For those listening at home. Ryan and I just did a TikTok dance.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Brittany's like, I can live it any way I want to. And Angie's like, I brace religion every day. Not on Sunday, seven fucking days a week. And look in any Bible and you will see. Fucking bitch in there. Love. Angie's like, I'm the most fucking religious goddamn person in this bitch room.

[Ben Mandelker]

You are not Mormon. So Brittany's like, who cares? Angie, I'm not, like, judging you and how you live your religion. That is so condescending. I don't appreciate that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, this is the kind of preacher I like. Mary just goes, she's sinning. Who cares? Cause that's how our religion works. You're just like, boom, boom, bam, bam. Fuck you. Fuck. I'm sorry. It's like, okay, you can still come to heaven. You're sorry. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

And for everyone listening at home, Ronnie just mimed here in Salt Lake City doing coke and heroin and drinking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I forgot that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And dual blowjobs. You are all not Mormons. You are profo Mormons.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Religious trauma. Love you guys. Okay, so Andy's from Coconut from Grove. Said, Meredith, watching the show, did you realize Angie never called Britney a slut? She just repeated what Britney said. And Meredith is like, well, I think that Brittany was very upset. That's what I think. And if you want to argue about it, I can.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mary's like, yeah, but you didn't get both sides of the story. Well, that's correct. But I did know that Angie had said at lunch at your house already, and she said she called me a slut. And I was like, it's too much. I cannot abide by slut shaming.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold on. Can I say one thing? One thing? I'm sorry. I just have to. I just have to say this. I just have to say this in defense of Brittany. Okay? The porn thing, that just went too far. Poor Brittany. Poor Brittany. I'm here for you, Brittany. I'm just here for you. That really went far.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you so much. Mary goes, she started it.

[Ronnie Karam]

But. But, Britney, you also say things, and then when things are mirrored back at you, you really don't like when things are mirrored back at you. So if you say it, you have to be willing for it to be mirrored back to you. Do you understand what I'm saying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think that, like, sometimes I say things and I don't know how they're coming out of my mouth, but when I listen back at my recordings that I've taken But you can't say.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't drink wine. You can't say, I love drinking wine, and then be mad when someone brings you a bottle. Yes, you can. I drink wine. You bring me a cheap bottle. I'm like, this is a cheap bottle of wine. Go back. Start over.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right. Well, Brittany, you eventually came clean about sleeping with Jared. How did it feel to have the other women rally around your micropenis trauma?

[Ronnie Karam]

It felt so good. It felt so good. And Heather's like. It was like coming out of the closet. No, it wasn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Give me your hand, Ronnie. Give me your hand. What's something that no other people in this room realize is that when you love an Osmond, you love an Osmond. And that's something that we share. Okay? We share that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mary is like, I don't. What do you. Why did you even say that in the first place? I mean, nothing even had to do with that. We were talking about something else. And then you have to come out of the closet about sleeping with some guy. Who cares?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Brittany has guys. Brittany has really good logic about this. She says, guys, I did it because that was the one thing I like. I actually lied about that. And I lied to everyone. And I said, I just wanted to show that, to show good faith. I want to show good faith about my lie.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, this is a lie. I knew that I was lying about one thing, but I wasn't lying that. So I proved it by admitting that I was lying about another thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I gave you a different lie instead. In good faith, to show that I don't lie in other times.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's so dumb. I love it. It's so cute. To me.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cause she believes it. You know, she's so delusional. I love. And then he's like, right. All right, well, this season, Puerto Vallarta, she didn't only bring Vita tequila. Someone brought a recording device.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see flashbacks to this amazing trip. And Andy's like, all right, so let's get back to the beginning of the trip. Lisa, you said that Bronwyn was ungrateful for the trip simply because you wanted to give her a room in the same villa. But, like, don't. Don't you think that it was a leap, considering that you're upset about sitting on. He's basically asking about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

That room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Controversy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Lisa's like, how dare you, Lisa? I thought we were friends. And you put me in a different villa after everything I've done for you for 10 years. You put me in a villa down the hall. How could you, Lisa? How could you? I won't be coming for you for the rest of my goddamn life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that there's parts of the conversation missing. Like, first of all, I had to fly coach. Second of all, I was like, bronwyn just got bit by a dog and looked like her arm was gonna fall off. I'm pretty sure she had gangrene, and it was very scary, and I didn't want it getting on my Prada.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. But also, you know, something that's missing is when I got to the villa, I was like, oh, my God, my room is amazing. So I wanted Bronwyn to have the same room. And in the other villa, there was a room just like my room. So I was trying to give it to you, Bronwyn, which I thought was a good answer. That was a good answer. They don't care. Cause it's Lisa. And Lisa's so crazy. They're just like, shut up, Lisa. So, anyway, let's talk about your dog bite.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Andy's like, by the way, what the hell happened with your dog bite? Because Bronwyn, like, her. Literally, her arm and leg were green, and there was, like, holes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that was. That was terrible. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

But actually, it's not good. It actually was a good. Bronwyn does say that. Like, she. She rehoused the dog and put it on a farm somewhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

This turned into one of the best parts of the reunion, because she's like, well, you know, you're not. I did all the wrong things. Because you know that when a dog is in that state, you don't get in the middle of it. You don't try to pull it. You don't try to do things like that. There's things you have to do to stop the dog. And I just did it wrong. And someone goes, yeah, you have to. I heard you put your finger up their butt. And she's like, well, okay. Or pull the tail or the finger in the butt. I mean, I don't know. And Mary just goes, no, the butt doesn't work.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like going on a date with Jared.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they say, we don't ever learn anything about Mary. I'll never forget that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to know what happened. I want to know what dog it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now who has trauma?

[Ben Mandelker]

So she. But Bronwyn didn't sue the person. She took care of the dog. And it actually was a happy ending.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, actually, I made sure that the Dog was. Okay. I started a school for dogs, actually named for this dog. I bought all of the dogs in this school. Diamond necklaces. They were about $8 million each, I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now we have a program to make sure there's no dog in America that does not have a punishment. We had to do something with that leftover inventory.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa, why would you storm out of the Bezos Vita dinner in Mexico? Why did Angie point out that she was learning more about Bronwyn's marriage on the yacht than she knows about your entire life? Why did that hurt you? And she's like, oh, my God. Because me and Angie, we were, like, friends. We would talk on the phone for, like, three hours until she had to go see Elektra. Anyway. I would tell her so many things. I would be like, I'm on the way to Wendy's. I'm eating a Kit Kat. Like, to pretend she doesn't know me. Hold on, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I wanted to hear what she had to say about how she felt about me. Not what you felt. She felt about me. What I felt. Cause she felt. And they felt. And they felt. Opa Tatiki.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Lisa's like, no, but I was gonna, like, set it up where she would feel comfortable telling you so you guys could have resolve. You know what I mean? And Brittany's like, thank you, Meredith. Thank you so much for sticking up for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was my pleasure. And Angie's like. Cause Meredith's, like, in a good mood. She's like, oh, sure, yeah. No, I'm happy to do that. Angie's like, actually, I love this defense that Angie goes, meredith is a lawyer. I am a hairdresser. She should be able to sit me down and destroy me. I am beauty school dropout. She is Olivia Newton John.

[Ronnie Karam]

She should be able to take me out. I am a hairdresser. I'm a beauty school girl. And. And there's nothing wrong with that. And Lisa's like, are you directing this at me? She's like, no, no. I'm telling you that she has an education. She should be able to sit down and have a conversation.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, let's stick between me and you, because, like, Meredith is absolved from this right now. Yeah. That's a big word. Lawyers use that word, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. That was nice to hear.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And this is between you and me. And I was hurt by the fact that you were, like, shutting me down, and I was, like, trying to help you, and I stated that. And for you to say that, that, like, really hurt my feelings.

[Angie Katsanevas]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cause you know what? You know what? You shared, like, a very vulnerable moment. And, like, it was one moment, but she was on the phone with me every day for three years. Like, sorry. That's a big difference, Ajay. It's a big difference. All right, all right, all right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not following this.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wasn't either. I was like, I love. This is my favorite show. And I don't know what the fuck you people are talking about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy's Andy. Half this episode, I was like, I don't know. I'm just gonna let them talk. But Andy's, like, slouching his chair, just checking Grindr, like, okay, all right, okay. Bronwyn, do you think Lisa likes to play the victim? Lol. That's a rhetorical question.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa's literally in the back. Like, lisa, please get off the crotch. That's a Bezos sign.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, so Bronwyn's like, uh huh, uh huh. Well, I think that when something happens to Lisa, she takes it more seriously than when it happens to someone else. And, like, I don't know that she victimizes herself. But we've seen a few times when my marriage was talked about and then very badly, and it didn't seem to faze her. But then, like, when her marriage was talked about, she did seem to have a girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one accused Todd of giving hand jobs in the fucking. I mean, come on. Come on, man. They're different things, my marriage. And she's like, totally different scenarios. Okay, just. How is it different? How? Go ahead, tell me, tell me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because when Whitney talked about my marriage, we have a five year history. You don't have a five year history with that idiot next to your dress. You've never gone through this with Whitney before. Look, poke her in the shoulder. Look what she does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You exploited my vagina. I have to deal with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She can. Whitney can't even see. She's like, who's poking me?

[Ben Mandelker]

She has a safari hat on. She's like, I'm getting through the dress.

[Ronnie Karam]

Throw me a rope. Yeah, but, like, what did I tell you about their marriage when we were on the balcony at the day spa? I said that they have a great marriage and that Todd adores her. That he adores her. Yeah, but the problem was, you were saying that after Bronwyn was like, todd just cheated on me. And Lisa's like, love him, love him. He's such a good person.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I stood up for that marriage. And then I'm getting mine fucked where I'm like, oh, my God, am I Like a Taco Bell or a Wendy's right now. Am I totally fucked on the brain right now? And like, all of a sudden, now Todd's like a piece of shit. And I've been like, standing up for Todd. And now you're like, fuck Todd. Fuck Todd. Fuck Todd. Do you see what this is?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I'm allowed to say what I want about my marriage. That's my right. I'm allowed to say it. Yeah, cheated. No, he didn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I'm not responsible for your switch ups.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did not say that. Yes, he cheated. He did not cheat.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we cheated.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then she's like, not only am I allowed to say it, but you shouldn't be on a hot mic telling Angie, oh, I don't know why she's looking for sympathy about that, which I don't think she said.

[Ben Mandelker]

She didn't say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. Like, you did say that. You said it on a hot mic walking out on the boat. Let's see what she says. And then we see the clip of Lisa saying, oh, my God, Angie's. Todd's gonna lose his mind.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now, to be fair, to be fair, Todd sees a bag of M and Ms. And loses his mind. Why is that bag of M&M's there? I don't like it. Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

They can't be trying to talk to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at that cloud. It looks funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't. Stop waving at me. I'm trying to eat you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, that pine tree over there, I don't like it. Get rid of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Lisa's like, no, because you know what? I was just suggesting it all, and that doesn't happen often with me, so. You know what? You told me that your husband was launching a new hedge fund. And like, whenever you stuck up for me in public, anyway, just, oh, remember that time when I said very, very lightly, that's not the Lisa I know? So there it is. And then we see her. They're like, lisa's a bitch. He goes, that's not the Lisa I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, also, at the Bezos party, I had a pretty strident defense of you. It's like, cut to Bronwyn at the party being like, I don't think so. Case closed. I mean, I really went hard in the paint for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now they're blah, blah, blah, fighting over each other and stuff. And Andy's like, bezos, bezos, opa. Bezos, bezos, opa, Bezos, Bezos, opa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tzatiki.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, Britney.

[Ben Mandelker]

I keep on saying tzatziki tonight. I don't know why I keep saying tzatziki. It's in my brain.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you. Brittany, if you were so concerned, Meredith was crying and throwing up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why didn't you talk to her? She goes, I did talk to her. Meredith's like, yeah, she did talk to me. And I told her she was full of shit. Then she talked to everyone else.

[Ben Mandelker]

I said, you probably heard the sound of my toddler burping up on my shoulder.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Britney's like, I'm sorry, but listen, the sound of somebody throwing up is indistinguishable.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that true?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I don't think so. Because we heard Meredith doing her. Remember when Meredith was, like, walking through the scene of the crying? She's like, look. And then. Remember I had a coughing fit right here? Why I started coughing like this.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Meredith does cough like that. She's. It's like a. A hairball comes up.

[Ben Mandelker]

It literally could have just been some old man who came through. Like, what is it, by the way? What is the age that we. What's the what at what age?

[Ronnie Karam]

Tracksuit.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was a magic trink. Old men definitely make weird noises, don't they? Like, when are we gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

We are them. Hello. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like I've got seven more years before I'm sitting around somewhere and I start going.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Brittany's like, I'm sorry, but it's an indistinguishable gay tongue. Sorry. It's an indistinguishable sound. And I don't want to out you, but I literally woke up from a dead sleep. And Bronwyn just goes, oh, no, stop her. Just stop her. She's gonna set Meredith off. And Meredith is like, brittany, you are a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me talk, okay? I let you talk, so let me sing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brittany.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. You know, I was half asleep. I was dreaming of Jared. It was a very strange dream. Jared actually brought me to Jared, and I said, oh, my God, he took me to Jared.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do not care. I am not gonna let you spread lies about me. I have heard the lies, and I've had a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a second, Meredith. Do you think I'm insinuating that you have an eating disorder? Because I'm not.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't care what you're insinuating. You are lying, and I'm not gonna allow it. I have had enough of the lies. She's always, like, packing her purse. She's like, I am.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not insinuating you have an eating disorder. I'm insinuating you have an eating disorder and your marriage is falling apart.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you're a liar. She's like, but that's my truth. I don't give a shit what your truth is. So then Andy's like, well, did she even accuse you of having an eating disorder? I didn't hear that part. And Lisa's like, but it got back to her that that was sexual, so that's what really counts.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's like, I mean, you got dope for a million reasons. You can have the flu. And Brittany. So then Brittany's like, well, I had an eating disorder growing up. I would never do that. No one even cared. She's like, here's my in. Here's my moment.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I had an eating disorder. Everybody literally went, oh, Jesus Christ.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's, like, ready to be like. It was, like, really hard. You know, she's gonna get out her crying goal.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, you know, this is the middle of the trial. We are not accepting new trauma evidence. This needs to get into the courtroom before the reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's like, okay, Britney. Speaking of double talk, you gave several different explanations as to why you were recording the women on the Sprinter.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, not really. I mean, they were similar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you said that you were sending a video to Olivia.

[Angie Katsanevas]

True.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Olivia Pope, and that you were filming the scenery and that you were saving the video for later. And you were auditioning for America's Nescot Talent. And you're also submitting something for Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. TikTok. Which one was it?

[Ronnie Karam]

All of the above. So she's just not gonna admit shit, this girl? She's like, all of that was true. I was making a video for Olivia while I was making an audition for America's Next Top Model, while at the same time, I was reciting poetry and recording in the back of a bus seat. So fucking what?

[Ben Mandelker]

She was. She was fully doing Kaiser Soze at that moment. It was like Kaiser Soze looking at all the items on the bulletin board. And, like, I'm like, I took the photo. I was taking a video because I needed to go to the Kobayashi factory. And then afterwards, I need Kobayashi. I was like, well, why am I making these references from 30 years ago? I was like, what am I doing?

[Ronnie Karam]

Brittany's like, it was two seconds. It was two seconds, Britney. And Britney knows that this is a lie. She's watched the show. She's seen the 24 second counter. But I Love Britney's just commitment to a lie. You know what I mean? Learn something, Bronwyn. It's not the lying. It's the commitment. You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys, it was only for, like, two seconds. I just was, like, trying to turn it around, and then I couldn't turn it around, and then I was like. I was trying to eat it. I thought it was a cracker, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, get over it. It's done. Mary goes. Mary, she goes, oh, well, get over it. It's done. And hopefully you are, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we go to commercial.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love Brittany's horrified face, because the only thing that move is her upper lip and her nose. She's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, we're back from commercial. Okay, so they're still recovering. Everyone's recovering from trauma. Mary, why did it bother you that Angie chased after Britney at the Lisa Barlow lunch? You claimed Angie knows how you felt about Britney. So how do you feel?

[Ronnie Karam]

For the record, I really like you, Mary. I just. I don't know why you don't like me. And she goes, you're not honest, and you don't take accountability, and your emotional intelligence is not matured, and you're lopsided. Well, damn the bedside manner.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Mary. So Andy asks Mary about, like, that whole moment, and Mary says she felt, like, betrayed. She felt it was fake when Angie went running after her. And Andy's like, well, I was so happy you two shared that emotional moment. It was really quite touching. And you connected and it was really.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is boring. So, Meredith, you talk to Jen Shaw from prison, and everyone's like, dun, dun, dun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah. So it was Whitney's like, what? Wait, Jen Shaw was in the Prism line? That's my jewelry.

[Ronnie Karam]

How dare you, accusing me of getting my jewelry from Jenshaw Prison?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was very brief. She called me, and obviously I can't call her. I only have a Fisher Price telephone for my children.

[Ronnie Karam]

But how is that any worse than me talking to Monica? Because Jen Shaw just abused you to your face. Monica stalked your ass behind your back. I mean, there's got. And they're like, she abused us, Whitney. She's like, whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meredith is like, well, I didn't dig. I didn't dig into it. You know, I didn't seek her out to dig dirt on my friends. Jen called me from prison. Meredith, just say Jen Shaw called. And you're like, holy fucking shit. I'm gonna get the tea about the prison right now. That's all you have to say?

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, she's serving her time. She's trying to make things correct. She's doing a musical about housewives in the prison yard, and she wanted to do some research. I'm sorry for helping out a performer.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I would. I would never put myself on the list to call. Wait, do we have to write lists when we want to call people now?

[Ronnie Karam]

For fuck's sake, Whitney, just spit it out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's up to you, but that's surprising. So what is she supposed to do moving forward? She's served her time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mary's like, no, I'm against. Against forgiveness. Well, I mean, she said she's sorry. She's paying everybody. What is she supposed to do? Mary's like, never forgive. I love that the preacher is just like, no, fuck her.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's like, but she lied to all of your faces, both this season's faces and last season's. And Meredith's like, well, I don't doubt that at all. That's 100% true. And this isn't like, while we're going for a sleep hour or something. This looks like a T. Phone call with Jen Chong. That's what I really see an issue with.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they never get to the bottom of it. And everybody's like, how dare you speak with Jen. Shock. You all are gonna film with her again in a year. Yes. So get the fuck over it. Now might be the time to start kissing. Oh, they're bringing her back. As for I'm sorry, she's out now. They have changed it again to where she's coming out in November of 2026. So she will be back. Don't you think this. This channel is really going to be like, oh, my God, the girl who just went to prison and now is back and could possibly slam Heather for lying about a black guy is gonna not be back on this channel. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

She'll be back for sure. So, basically, yeah, Meredith, I mean, look, I would answer the call from Jen Shaw. I want to find out all the details of what's happening in prison. I want to know, like, what's her hair? Yeah, I want to know, like, what does her hair look like now?

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you use for making up?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

How many bitches do you have? You know? Yeah, I want to know. All right, so anyway, Andy moves on. He's like, heather, you were so sweet when you asked everybody to read the meanest texts about each other from their phones to bridge the gap. What were you thinking, Mary Sunshine? And she's like, you know, it's like immersion therapy where you're traumatized, but then you Just have to hear the worst things about yourself to move forward, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's like immersion therapy that no one's heard of before, that's not licensed, that no one supports. I just came up with it. I thought it would be fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why give words power, Andy? Words have no power. Except for in my book. Please buy my second book, which is out now. HarperCollins.

[Ben Mandelker]

Words have no power unless they become the subject of four different categories on Jeopardy. So Andy's like, all right, well, Bronwyn, considering that you and Angie were close for most of the season, were her comments about how you sucked your way to the top illuminating? Yeah, uh huh. Uh huh. I mean, yeah, I agreed to the game. Yeah, it was rude, you know, the sucking thing, you know, and I. I really wish everybody had that commitment to the decision we made that night to burn things. I really do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa Barlow. Lisa Barlow couldn't burn. Lisa Barlow wasn't burning an old fact. You guys were bringing new evidence that she was giving hand job or her husband was getting hand jobs while she was making out with random people. That is new that you can't burn. You burn things from the past. Stupid Whitney. I was just trying to be your friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Whitney Trojan horsed some gossip into it. So. But I just like that. Bron was like, I committed to the bit. I did it, you know? So Andy's like, well, it was amazing when it worked. I was like, did it work? When did it work? All I saw was, like, six women who looked deeply traumatized afterwards.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Lisa's like, yeah, you know, she brought up a rumor about me giving hand jobs while John was making out with the Frosty. It was really difficult. And Whitney's like, I was trying to burn it. Holding Bronwyn's dress back. She's like, I was. I was trying to burn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was trying to burn it with Lisa fucking Ballow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa's like, well, I don't have to burn it. I'm my own person. I don't have to do what everyone else does. She goes, but it was cathartic. And I actually validated what I knew, that she thought it was adrift in our friendship because if we could stare in our eyes and burn it, then it would be burned. But if we couldn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

AndI'm sorry, do you want me to take over for Whitney? This is a lot for her to say. She's been behind a bush the entire night. Lisa, I think what she's trying to say, if I can understand, is she's saying, sorry look, she's even writing sorry in chocolate syrup for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why can't you burn it? Why can't you burn it?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because you keep doing it. It's not the first. It's season one, it's season two, it's season three, four, five. This is not your marriage that she's talking about. It's mine.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not talking about my marriage. You just tried to pull something out of your phone tonight about me. Lisa. And that's, you know, the whole Emmett thing, the jewelry thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we wanna burn it with Lisa Barlow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whitney Louis Whitney literally took Bronwyn's dress and was like, stay out of this. I'm trying to burn it with Lisa fucking.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know she's in Starbucks right now still saying it. Like, ma'am, would you like that grande or Aventi? I'm trying to burn it with Lisa fucking Berlo Fucking Whitney.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whitney used to make me so mad, and now she's one of my favorite. People just think she's so funny and that they sat her behind that dress the whole night, and she just sat there and took it, like, I'm gonna say something. So she's like, how come everybody else could burn it but you won't burn it with me? And Meredith is like, because you keep doing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I stopped the reckless. Okay, wait. Stay. Wait. Hey, everyone stay out of it. Okay? She literally says this. Cause I want to burn this with Lisa Fucking mother.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, I could have said a lot worse things of you. I could have said, you're fake, you're phony, you're selfish, you're unaware. But I chose that one instead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I love when a housewife does that. I could have said, you're a slut, bitch. C word. But instead I said that you do threesomes with people and watch. And John watches jerks off.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I chose that because that's the thing that hurt you the most. You had never said it. It didn't hurt her the most until you said it on the tv. I mean, look, I know that we all kind of think that's false, I'm guessing. But also, I can't stop thinking of John Barlow getting hand jobs from randos at parties. I can't. I know that's a personal problem, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like it's how he parallel parks his car, too. It's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Literal circles.

[Ben Mandelker]

Watch your tone.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Lisa's like, you know what, though? You know what, though? I put up with a lot for Whitney from day one, and all of these people Yeah, I put up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, good for you. Good for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, yeah, but there's something. And Heather's like, but don't you want to repair this with Whitney? We're here for love repair. Whitney, read that monologue I put in your phone. You're a slut. You're a skank. You're a whore. See, she's just trying to be your friend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? I'm just like. Everyone, just like, stop talking in my ear. I will do what I wanted. Are you making a reference to my disability right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop saying burn it. Burn it. Burn it. Burn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, everyone. Everyone stop talking for five fucking seconds. Meredith. Why can't I try to burn something with you instead? I want to burn it with Meredith Myers.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? I've been through something with everybody here. Like, growing up. I grew up with six siblings, okay? Like, if I was human trafficked, no one would even know. I literally went to FedEx and I printed a picture of myself and I pasted it to a milk carton. They drank the milk. They drank the milk. So when you comfort the only people that I have. Do you know how hard it is going out with your husband? And people start asking him for hand jobs?

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor Lisa.

[Ronnie Karam]

You've ruined cucina toscana for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor. Do you remember it was, like, two seasons ago. Lisa is like, yeah, this one time they tied me into a pole in middle school and left me there all day long and no one noticed. This poor woman, she's like, I couldn't have been human trafficked. I can't even get a parking ticket. Cause they won't have anything to do with me with traffic violations.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bronwyn's like, yeah, but then you pulled something out of your phone to try and burn me today. Lisa, remember that, for fuck's sake. Okay, you're gonna turn into that. You know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa drops her tears immediately. She's like, talk to Emma. Talk to Emma. Talk to Emma about that. Talk to Emma.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa. Lisa, I want to talk to you. Okay? Fake. Fake. Okay, everyone look. Fake.

[Ronnie Karam]

See, she's getting in our way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, no, wait.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lisa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lisa. Fake is when you say you forgive someone and then you bring it up years later. Okay? Ha.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it wasn't yours. It was that night that you made up a new rumor. Whitney. She goes, okay, but you know what? Then I forgive you. But then you do it again. You know what? Saying you're sorry means you'll never do it again. No, it doesn't. I say that every time I'm pulled into court for a traffic ticket. And guess what? I steal that. Run that stop sign every time. And every time I do it, I say, that shouldn't be here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. You're like Stacy on Potomac running those stop signs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. So. So, really, Stacy's going to call me out for a dui?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sure. Ran through the same stop sign three times. So Lisa's like. Lisa's like, okay, yes, we know. So Lisa's like. She's like, okay, well, you said I didn't lie, and. No, you lied about Alibaba, and it wasn't to prove anything. Stop, Lisa, stop. And he goes, I'm not doing this. Okay. Are you okay? Are you guys okay? Cause I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Does anyone want to get fired from the show? Now's the time we make up. So they drop their tears. And Lisa's like, you know what, Whitney? I love you so much. And Whitney's like, ah. She's like, yeah, I love you so much, Whitney. Please, let's never not be friends again. Let's start over. She's like, okay, are you gonna burn it? All right, Whitney, you're pushing it, Whitney.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although they. They have. They have a moment. Was it right here where, like, Whitney goes over to sit with Lisa, and she's like. She's like, lisa, Lisa, I want to move forward with you. I don't want us to fight. I love you as a friend. And Lisa's like, thank you. And she goes, but when you say things about me. And everyone's like, oh, for fuck's sake.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Mandy's like, no, no. End it there. End it there.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sit down. Sit down. All right, so now we're back with the final thoughts on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I want to close on a positive note. I'm going to read these texts that I've written about all of you. Shut up. Be quiet. I hate you. Why do I do this job? I should have gone to college. Okay, this was fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, so because in Mexico, you read, you said things, the worst things you could say to each other. Now is the time for you to say the best things about each other. And it cuts to Britney backstage being like, I really feel like I should be out there. Doesn't someone have something nice to say about me? Olivia's on the phone. She wants to say something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Poor Britney. So Mary has to say something about Heather. And I have to hand it to Mary. She really has had a change. Because I really thought Mary was just gonna go, she's thinner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Mary's like. She does look like she was bred by two different people.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Lisa has to say something positive about Whitney, and she's like, she works hard. She's a great mom. Her daughter is a sodaholic, and it's kind of embarrassing, but she deals with that addiction pretty well, so, you know, Great. So then Lisa. Andy's like, all right, Meredith, say something nice about Angie and Sean.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Angie, you look very pretty tonight, for starters. That's an easy one. Got that one off the list. Okay. You're a great mother. Okay, that's another easy one. I think you like your family. You do great prop work. That scroll bit, that was great. Love that. Yeah, so that's about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was pretty good. I do have some homosexual friends through my son. I hope that's okay to say. And each one of them has said that they would pass your husband around like an hors d'oeuvre. Trait of heart.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you know what? I hear that you can be a very good friend. I personally haven't seen it, but, you know, I also haven't seen I don't see the wind, but I know it's there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Angie has something positive to say about Meredith. She's like, I think she is a lovely mother. And grape leaves and Taziki and Peter and Thomas. The end. He's like, all right, well, I guess that's all we're gonna get from her. All right, Bronwyn, say something nice about Heather.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, I just want to say, Heather, I really wanted to be friends with you and. Huh? And you were, like, really smart. And, you know, I really don't like arguing with you because I destroy you every time. So, you know. You know, it's been fun, and hopefully next season we can have an arc where we're friends and we turn on Lisa. Okay, so let's do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, Heather, you want to return the favor to Bronwyn, and she's like, well, as a survivor of trauma, I just want to say that I know the trauma Bronwyn's been through because I have been through it, and I've outlined it with receipts, proof, timeline, and a brand new book. All right, that's enough of you. All right, now who's next? And Mary goes. Andy, you do me. I hate these bitches.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Mary Cosby, you showed us your heart this year, and even though you didn't get new boobs, we still liked you. You were funny, you were compassionate. All right, that's good. That's good to go. He actually gave a very nice moment. And Meredith was very. I mean, well, Meredith was like. But Mary was. I mean, Mary had such a tremendous season. Can you even believe that? Mary is, like, so good now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they do their final toast with Miller High life, because that's Mary's favorite.

[Ben Mandelker]

And again they cut to Brittany in the back. And again they cut to Brittany in the backstage holding. They gave her a glass. She's like, guys, are you really sure I can't go out there? They're like, no. Here is a broomstick. You can toast the broomstick. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

To the trauma. The trauma that bonds us. The trauma that makes us sisters. The trauma that feels like toothpaste on a toothbrush when you put it in your mouth and you switch it around a little bit, just wondering, are my teeth white enough yet? You're my sisters. I'm never gonna forget you forever. Let's be sisters. Sisterhood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sisterhood.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sisterhood.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sisterhood. Sisterhood.

[Ronnie Karam]

Congratulations on a great season. And that brings us to the end of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you so much, Salt Lake City. Thank you to Angie K. For coming out tonight. It was wonderful seeing you, and we will be back and see you again. Good night, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Welcome to the club. Everybody say my name.

[Ben Mandelker]

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UFO lands in Suffolk and that's official.

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Said the News of the World.

[Ben Mandelker]

But what really happened across two nights.

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In December 19901980 when US servicemen saw.

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