#2725 RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary: Watch What Crappens #2725 – RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: February 12, 2025
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction to Episode Recap ([03:22])

In episode #2725 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into Season 14, Episode 11 of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), titled "Reba McEnTerror." This episode marks the beginning of a two-part analysis focusing on the tumultuous dynamics surrounding Reba McEntire's character.

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Overview of "Manga Business" Episode ([05:44] - [07:29])

The hosts begin by setting the scene in Augusta, Georgia, highlighting the episode's pivotal moment where Sutton, Reba's daughter, interacts with her mother Reba. The episode, aptly named "Manga Business," portrays Sutton's desperate attempt to seek approval from her domineering mother.

Notable Quote:

• Ronnie Karam ([05:44]): "So cut. This episode was so good. Like, this was just... a Sutton extravaganza. I just am so excited by this."

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Character Analysis: Reba McEntire ([07:29] - [14:56])

Ben and Ronnie dissect Reba's complex character, emphasizing her stereotypical Southern demeanor that masks her underlying malice. Reba's interactions with her daughter Sutton and avi (Avi) reveal her manipulative nature and deep-seated hatred for various characters.

Key Points:

• Southern Persona: Reba's slow, lilting Southern accent makes her antagonistic remarks more biting.
• Relationship with Avi: Avi's disdain for Reba is palpable, leading to tense exchanges.
• Reba's Hatred: Reba is portrayed as an "equal opportunity hater," showing disdain for almost everyone, including her grandchild.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker ([08:27]): "Also caution. Many, many signs, actually. No." (Astrological sign discussion)
• Ronnie Karam ([14:56]): "She hates everybody. So in that way, she's fair."

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Emotional Depth: Reba's Backstory ([15:39] - [18:44])

The discussion shifts to Reba's painful past, revealing her father's struggle with chronic depression and eventual suicide. Sutton's narration highlights the lack of emotional support and effective treatment her father received, painting a tragic backdrop to Reba's current demeanor.

Key Points:

• Father's Struggle: Reba's father battled depression, self-medicating with alcohol, and ultimately succumbed to suicide on December 22nd.
• Sutton's Perspective: Sutton expresses confusion and resentment towards Kyle, who appears oblivious to the deeper family issues.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker ([17:43]): "It's a scary way to go forward. And it's a way that a lot of people take now, which is also terrifying."
• Ronnie Karam ([18:34]): "Well, Katherine Dennis was always a poet. My favorite poet."

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Brunch Scene Analysis ([19:23] - [40:35])

A significant portion of the episode centers around a contentious brunch scene where Reba criticizes Avi's handling of grits, leading to a humorous yet tense exchange. The hosts analyze how this scene encapsulates the strained relationships and underlying tensions among the characters.

Key Moments:

• Garcelle's Intervention: Garcelle attempts to mediate the situation, subtly supporting Sutton while confronting Reba's hostility.
• Grits Symbolism: Grits become a metaphor for the messy and unpalatable aspects of the characters' relationships.
• Ongoing Tensions: The interplay between Reba, Garcelle, and Kyle highlights the intricate web of alliances and animosities.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie Karam ([20:04]): "I'm going to eat them next. Like you. Because, you know, grits are the most evil food that you can possibly eat."
• Ben Mandelker ([40:35]): "I love that."

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Visit to Sutton's Childhood Home ([42:25] - [57:49])

The hosts delve into the emotionally charged visit to Sutton's childhood home, unveiling layers of unresolved trauma and familial conflict. This segment underscores the psychological complexities that define Reba and Sutton's relationship.

Key Points:

• Emotional Confrontation: Sutton expresses her desire to revisit her past, leading to a confrontation that exposes deep-seated resentments.
• Reba's Realization: Reba begins to comprehend the extent of Sutton's grievances, hinting at potential shifts in their dynamic.
• Dramatic Tension: The impending visit to the childhood home serves as a catalyst for revealing hidden emotions and long-standing tensions.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker ([44:32]): "She think you put sugar on him. And Garcelle's like, well, some people do eat them with sugar, but I just don't get it."
• Ronnie Karam ([57:04]): "I thought that."

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Conclusion and Tease for Part Two ([57:49] - [58:04])

As part one concludes, Ben and Ronnie prepare listeners for the continuation of their deep dive into RHOBH's intense family dynamics in the upcoming episode.

Notable Quote:

• Ronnie Karam ([57:49]): "Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two."

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Final Thoughts

Watch What Crappens episode #2725 offers an in-depth and engaging analysis of RHOBH's Season 14, Episode 11, "Reba McEnTerror." Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam skillfully dissect the intricate relationships and emotional undercurrents that drive the show's drama, providing listeners with valuable insights and thoughtful commentary.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Ronnie Karam ([05:44]): "So cut. This episode was so good. Like, this was just... a Sutton extravaganza."
• Ben Mandelker ([08:27]): "Also yield."
• Ronnie Karam ([14:56]): "She hates everybody. So in that way, she's fair."
• Ben Mandelker ([17:43]): "It's a scary way to go forward."
• Ronnie Karam ([20:04]): "I'm going to eat them next."
• Ben Mandelker ([40:35]): "I love that."
• Ronnie Karam ([57:04]): "I thought that."
• Ronnie Karam ([57:49]): "This is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two."

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Stay tuned for Part Two of this episode, where Ben and Ronnie continue their exploration of Reba McEntire's role in RHOBH, unraveling more layers of drama and personal conflict.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on your bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hi, Ben, how are. Hi, Ronnie.

[Ronnie Karam]

How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

It's great to be here. Great to see you. Also, especially to recap this episode of Beverly Hills, which, I don't know, I thought it was absolutely amazing. I thought this was just like a phenomenal episode. It was. I was riveted the entire time. I mean, it felt like watching an old. Like a play, you know, Lady Southern belle comes back home from Beverly Hills to deal with the death of a father and a mother who's a tough battle ax. You know, it was just. It was. It was both, like, I was, like, crying. I was laughing. I was cringing. It really had, you know, everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was dark episode. A lot of darkness here, and there's a lot of talk of suicide and stuff like that. So if that doesn't. If that triggers you, okay, then turn this off.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you didn't watch the episode, don't know what it is. There will be a lot of talk of that today. Not a lot of jokes about it, but a lot of talk probably about it. Because it happened. Okay. It happened on the show. So here we go. We are still in Augusta, Georgia, and the episode I like is just called Manga Business. They're not even trying to get clever with that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, they're like. Let's just quote Reba's big moment. So cut. This episode was so good. Like, this was just. This is a Sutton extravaganza. I just am so excited by this. Okay, so Sutton is. She's putting on makeup and everything. She's like, I've got to put on my makeup on. Where have I taken off my ramens? And they're all just getting ready. Kyle comes in. She's. She went out for a jog in the morning. She. She returns to the house. It's 11:18, and Sutton's mother, Reba, is in the kitchen holding a blue watering can, just standing there. And Kyle comes back in, and she's, like, panting, and she's like. And Reba's like, you've been running. She goes, I've been running. I mean, I have a bone, by the way. I have a bone to pick with your daughter. She told me to go out of the house and make a left and then go to the left on Henry. And there was no Henry.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, Henry's back there, stupid. In fact, you'd go to the cemetery the way you were going. You'd run to China and back without seeing it. But don't ever go again this late. You'll die in this heat. When I used to do it, it was 5:30 or 6:30 in the morning, you lazy, simpering fool. She's like, geez. When Sutton was in her room, and she. I think that every child who grew up in the south might have thought this, but Sutton's like, where are my diamonds? And she's looking around her room, and I was like, oh, God, in Five minutes, she's going to be blaming the maid. I just. I just want to see this play out. I've seen it play out before, and I just want to see it play out again. But it didn't. And I was actually really disappointed. I really thought I was going to get some justice, so I thought I was going to get some cleaning lady justice on this, but I never got it, you know? And I'm very, very offended.

[Ronnie Karam]

It seemed like it was gonna go that way. Reba. The best part about Reba is that she does have kind of like, the most stereotypical Southern drawl. Like, it's slow, it's rounded, it's lilting. And so it just makes everything that she's saying seem more evil. Not that if you're evil, if you're from the south or if you have a Southern accent. It's just that, like, you know, it's that thing where someone sort of is smiling with a slow Southern accent where you can tell they hate you, but they're being nice to your face. And it's just like, the nicer they are, the more lilty their voice becomes, the more ev. The undertone is. And her voice is really lilty. So she's like, you know, Kyle, I'm very strong mentally, and I blame that on my father. I was also his favorite child, so he taught me how to be very strong and independent, something clearly you never learned in your Life with your 11am Jogging.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what sign are you? Stop. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also yield.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also caution. Many, many signs, actually. No, I meant, like, astrologically. Oh, the Satan chart. Well, on that, I suppose I'm a cancer, but I'm not a typical cancer. I come with no warning. I spread for no reason, and I get you quick.

[Ronnie Karam]

I told this to my friend. I'm not a nurturer, and she laughed. Really? You're not a nurturer?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're kind of. Really? You're not. You're not in her turn? No. So then Avi comes in. He's like, hi, Ms. Reba. You'll be joining us for brunch. And she's like, brunch? I thought we were having breakfast.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it turned into brunch. By the way, Avi hates Reba. Like, I like his disdain. His hatred for Reba is so thinly veiled. Every time they're on screen together, it's uncomfortable. Like, it's kind of amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's zero veil. There is zero.

[Ronnie Karam]

Zero.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He's not veiling it at all. He's like, I don't have to put up with your stupid homophobic ass. You're not my mother. Witch.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, who brought this homosexual into my household? So then, yeah, she drips with it, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like. He goes, well, I thought. She says, brunch. I thought we were having breakfast. And he goes, well, it's turned into brunch. And she just looks at Kyle, and she's like, I see that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then she looks to her watches. Well, she. And she doesn't have a watch on. She goes, well, I don't have my watch, but my freckles tell me everyone here is running late. It's not my fault we can't have breakfast.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm looking at my wrist, and I'm looking up at you, and all I can see is it's Gobbler o'clock. So the girls down here, Mama's hungry.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I'll be like, well, okay, would you want to go get dressed and come back? Which is so insulting, by the way. And he's like, which I think he did on purpose. And she's like, why am I getting dressed? Well, we're having a proper brunch. Well, I'm fully dressed right now as a homosexual. I thought you would have understood the value of good Southern fashion.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, okay, I just thought you might want to fluff up a bit. Fluffing's illegal here. Try it and you'll be in prison, sir. She goes, I don't need to do that, but I'll see you in a few minutes. When you get to my age, you no longer groom yourself. You groom a dog with very long hair. Please excuse me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's seriously, that dog we see.

[Ben Mandelker]

When we see the mom's dog, I'm like, oh, my God. You see, everybody has a soft spot. And that dog also looks terrified when she's like, I'll be back, Cookie, or whatever the dog's name is. The dog's just like, please don't. Please fall. It just keeps looking to the stoop, like, please fall, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

It also makes you realize what Sutton's childhood was like, because, you know, the way that, like, Reba combs that dog's hair is the way she would comb Sutton's hair. All right, Sutton, now you lay here. I'm gonna make you pretty. Just comb your hair now. Stop moving so much. So Garcelle comes down the staircase, and. And so she says hi to everyone and everything. And. And Avi is checking on grits because he doesn't want to burn them. And and they're just making some chat, just general chit chat about, like, arriving. So anyway, Garcelle, she. They're still saying hi. Okay? She doesn't want to mess up. She wants to have a conversation with Reba. That's basically the. The gist of this moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah, basically. But Cheryl, the. The housekeeper is also there, and Cheryl also wants this woman to die, which is so funny. So Garcelle's like, okay, I'll help you guys set up. And he's like, well, okay, let's. Let's do this. But, you know, we don't want to rush Sutton because we don't want to mess with the. He starts doing, like, shaky hands, and he's like, the chakras. We don't want to mess with the chakras. And she goes, go, God, please, not today. Right? So then meanwhile, Kyle and Cheryl's just like, don't make me talk to fucking Reba today. I'm telling you now, don't make me talk to that witch today. So then we go up to Kyle and Sutton, and Kyle's like, hey, Sutton, I was talking to your mom. She's so great. As someone with a mom who fed somebody nails on a date to get revenge, let me just say I get it. Sutton's. Yeah, well, she's very interesting.

[Ronnie Karam]

I suppose this really must speak to how tough Big Kathy was, because if Kyle is, like, dealing with Reba and be like, she's such a sweetheart, it's like, oh, man, your baseline is so skewed right now. But. But also, like, I would. You know, Reba is much nicer to Kyle, which is notable. She's. She's much friendlier. She's much more open, which has all sorts of layers of implications, you know, so. Because it's like, in way she can get an advocate out of Kyle. And then also there's just, like, it, like, you know, of course she's just going to be nicer to Kyle. Like the. The white pretty lady who comes in and, you know, Reba's like, oh, hi there. I mean, that's what the Internet was pretty much all saying over the past week. Let's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and I. I agree. I definitely felt that after the first episode. This one, I didn't feel like she was nice to Kyle. I think she talked to Kyle like, you're a. But I do think that she would be, you know, nicer to Kyle. You know, both racist reasons and also because Kyle. And because she knows that Kyle and Sutton hate each other. Deep down, she knows that Kyle's mean to Sutton. So I think part of her is just like, oh, that's. This girl's on my team, where she also knows an advocate for Sutton, so she's going to shut her down immediately.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what I do get the sense of is that Reba, over the course of the episode, gets an appreciation of how much of an idiot Kyle is. Because I don't think that Reba likes to deal with idiots. I think she starts to realize that Garcelle is the smart one, and she starts to realize that Kyle is actually the dumb one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. But also, Reba's one of those people who, as you know, I've read the same comments as you have on the Internet. And I'm not gonna argue with them, because we know the history of the south and we. Especially when Reba goes into her like, well, back in World War II, it's like, okay, so it's like, from a different time. So I'm not even gonna argue with any of that. One thing I will say about Reba is that she is a hater, period. She hates all of these people. I don't think there's one person on this show that she likes. She even hates her own grandkid. She's like, that fucking weirdo. Do I have to sleep in his? This is fair.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is a fair point. She's an equal opportunity hater. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She just hates everybody. So in that way, she's fair. You know, I don't know if she's fair and equitable in any other way, but in the hatred department, she. She hates them all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Kyle, of course, does not pick up on any of this. And she's like, whoa, wow, your mom's so great. And I understand more about her just in the little conversation that I had, which is, I think Kyle's way of bragging, like, I made a breakthrough with your mom. And so Sun's like, well, what did you learn? Oh, well, she had a very tough dad and taught her to be strong. And she told me that she's not a nurturer. And so I was like, she said that you got that out of her? Well, I mean, she's aware of that. Like, you know, and how long was, by the way, how long was your dad not well for? She's like, well, I noticed it when I was like 25 or 26. But Sutton is the, like, reeling that her mom just, like, made a. Had a moment of self awareness right in front of Kyle, but that, like, clearly sudden could never pry out of her own mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's also a moment of just someone not from the south being there because people who aren't from the south don't have the rules of not speaking. You know, like, so how do you feel? What's your sign? What do you like? What do you like? And you don't like, you know, people. You're not used to talking about feelings like that. So Sutton's like, wow, how'd you get this out of my mother? Hi Aster. How ghost. So Sutton tells us that she was in her 20s when she got the call that she needs to come home. And it was surprising because she didn't understand how her father, who was their rock, could be starting to break. And I guess as she's talking about his mental illness and depression and stuff, and she talks about how they put him in the hospital twice. And Kyle goes, really? I didn't know that. Cuz you don't listen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle, I did not know that. Kyle, we know this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even I knew that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle. And then she's like, what was going on with him? I'm like, Kyle, can't you read between the lines? So Sutton is like, Sutton's like talked about how he was in a depressive state and he, they, they want to put him on drugs and then he was on sleeping pills and he just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was, he was on those drugs. And Kyle got. For depression?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, dysfunction.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, for his dick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle. Jesus. Kyle is so. Kyle is so useless in these situations. It's actually kind of hilarious. Like it's actually makes me like Kyle more because she plays the role of Rose Nyland. So then Sutton is like, you know, talks about how he had chronic depression and then he was on pills to regulate everything. And we see all these, these photos and we see young Sutton. It's like very like it. This is sad to watch. Right, because we know the tragic end. And she talks about how he'd be on and off them for years and he would self medicate with alcohol and talk a lot about like suicidal ideations and. But he never went to therapy. So he had this disjointed treatment of just like pills but no therapy, which is really not a wise, you know, way to go forward.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a scary way to go forward. And it's a way that a lot of people take now, which is also terrifying, you know. So she's basically talking about the self medication and stuff. And he went through this for six full years before he passed away. And she says he shot himself in December 20th and December 22nd. Sorry was when he killed himself. And it's interesting because it's almost like she's making the choice of how she words it, because, you know, we word it differently now. We say, like, he. He passed.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'd. Or died by suicide.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know, stuff like that. It's like he killed himself, you know, so there's a lot there with her. And Kyle goes, well, you're lucky to have your mom.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, thanks for your toxic positivity.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just goes, yeah. I don't think I've ever heard her sound more like Clint Eastwood. She was just like, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we cut to Reba. I mean, this is all fascinating, right? Because we see Reba is this hardened woman who's went through this massive trauma, and, like, she's just, like. Just cold and stone, just ossified and just, like, locked down. And now she's just mean. And so Reba's like. Like, she's. She's just hectoring Avi about his making the grits. And she's like, how many minutes had the grits been in there? An hour? And he's like, could you tell me? I mean, can I take it out? I mean, does that look good to you? I mean, you're the grit screen around here. And she's like, oh, well, all you're doing is heating it up. You do realize that, right? You stupid homosexual idiot.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, well, I don't want to overcook him. It's like, well, you don't want dry grits. Turn it off. And he goes, well, that's what I asked, but. Okay. She goes, what are these forks for? And he's like, if someone wants to cut a slice of cake. And she's like, okay, word, word. Someone's going to take. Take a piece out of you. Cakey. But the. Yeah, I mean, look, Reba's mean, okay? And I get that she's offputting, but don't. With grits, man. Are you heating them up or are you. Part of me is on her side. I'm like, don't. The grit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not necessarily wrong here. She's like, look, all you're doing is heating them up. Why are you asking so many questions? Why have they been in there for an hour? Put them in for 20 minutes and take them out. That's all you have to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then Garcelle joins, and the good thing about grits is you can just always add more cream, y'all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Garcelle joins them, and so he's like, so what am I making you? And she goes, well, what do you have? You live here? And he's like, well, would you, like, just, like, torturing Avi? Which is so funny. So then Garcelle's like, how are you? You look good. And she goes, you look wonderful. It's like, wow, that was the nicest thing Remus said.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, no. She didn't say. Except she didn't say it like that. Sorry. Sorry to start. No. And you. But they were. Reba. Reba is, like, so angry at Avi right now. She's, like, staring at Avi, and she's like, well, I don't want that. I don't want to drink that. Because obviously I do want a vodka lemon. I don't want that. And Garcello is standing next to Reba and goes, you look great. And she's like, well, I don't want. And you look great, too, honey. Anyway, what are you gonna make me drink? It was like, okay, let me. Let me give you a little, like, yeah, you look wonderful. Huh? Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

What? Would you like a vodka lemonade? She goes, no. What else you got? He's like, I could do a bloody marriage. Goes, definitely. I can definitely do that. So Garcelle asked how she sleeps, and she's like, well, I was just telling Avi, I don't like that eyes. How would you sleep being served the wrong eyes? Jesus Christ.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's very Heather Dubrow. There's multiple ice options in this kitchen. So. And then Garcelle's like, let me just say this. Apple tree.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we get, of course, a montage of Sutton being totally, totally demanding to all her friends over all the years, which, of course, is, you know, what we love about her. And then Garcelle says that, you know, with Reba and Sutton, they're both, like, a little awkward, but somehow lovable. So she.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that they ended the montage with Sutton being like plastic hangers. You know, we don't like this. So they ended with a Mommie Dearest thing with Sutton and then cut back to her Mommie Dearest. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[C]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Garcelle's like, so you're still working as a therapist? Interesting. Tell me, do you use this move a lot? It's my favorite. It's a little scrunch of the eyebrows. I played a therapist.

[Ronnie Karam]

Might I suggest something that you could add into your practice? It's what I call no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just do you ever use this when you're questioning someone? Wow. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

And if someone reveals a inner secret, do you ever go with a classic?

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Garcelle asked her about being a therapist and Reba's like, I'm quitting in September. Well, how come? I'm 82. All right.

[Ronnie Karam]

You want to sit on.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Fort Johnston answ I'm 82. Jesus Christ. @ least this one has the excuse of having dicks in his mouth. What's your excuse? Let's go sit on the porch.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I really need to hear from her patients. What is it like having Reba as your therapist? It's like. Well, I just. I feel really insecure, and I just feel like I can't speak up when I really want. Like, in moments when, like, there's conflict, I just sort of become a shell of a person. Well, that's not my fault.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can actually see how Reba could be a good therapist, because, look, you know, I'm like a Gen Xer You. You hear my advice? Stop your crying. And I think that's how she probably is because when she doesn't talk, she has that. She has kind of a sweet smile, and she does look like she's listening to you. Her eyebrows are raised, and she nods. I don't know if it's. I don't know if it's, like, medical, but she's, like, always nodding. And it's just like a Meredith. If it's medical. It's the Meredith Marks, let's just say, where she's got kind of like a just regular head bobble. So she. Look, she's listening to you, and she's got, like, a nice, serene smile on her face. So I think if she doesn't talk much, you can just kind of implant whatever you want on her. You can project whatever you need her to say. Be saying that. She would be saying, I can see how she could pass as a therapist, for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she would also be. I would love to see her as a therapist to, like, an obnoxious man. Like, I would love to see a guy trying to go up against her. And she's like, now, what made you think that?

[Ben Mandelker]

That.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I think that's. I feel like that's what her. That's the only question she would just ask over and over again. I would love to see her just, like, just take down some awful guy. But for. For a therapist, for me, it would be challenging. I would have a very rough time doing therapy with her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it would be good for me, because I'd cry, and then she'd go, okay, honey, get over it. Nobody likes a crier. Okay, that'll be a hundred dollars. I back. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's the best therapy I ever got.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they go out.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've come home all giddy, just getting abused at therapy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Reba and Garcelle go out to the back porch. And Reba's like, do you want some ice? And Garcelle goes, no, I'm good. Being tropical, I don't really have a lot of ice. Well, you are in English, that's for sure. Congrats, English people. You just caught a stray.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, what the kind of thing is that to say? But this. The reason I'm laughing so hard is because Garcelle's reaction, she goes, oh, what? And they just go, sit down. She goes, wow, this is so lovely. Thank you so much for indulging us. You know, I have such an affinity for your daughter, and I think she would give you the shirt off her back. She has. Well, she would do that. She's always been like that. Unfortunately, she has terrible tears taste. So get the shirt off her back. You're not going to be invited anywhere. I'm going to tell you that right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

On the other hand, she might look a little prettier without that hideous shirt. So, Garcelle, that's me giving her the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shirt off your back helps only her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I'm so happy we're having this one on one time together. And I wanted to talk to you because sudden I. Sutton and I have had intimate conversations. We see a month earlier. Sutton's, like, crying about Reba and saying that she knows that her mom loves her, but, like, doesn't. Doesn't ever feel like her mom is ever, like, ever proud of her. So Garcelle says, you know, she's so proud of how far she's come, and she would just love to hear you say you're proud and you love her, too. And I feel like I can say something to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't think that's any of your business.

[Ronnie Karam]

Reba just leans in, and she just.

[Ben Mandelker]

Smiles a big smile at her, and she's like, now, I don't want to insult you. I think you have no clue, honey. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it is so. It is so devastating. You just can't say those words in a Southern accent and not be totally devastating. It's just.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is. But Garcella's Teflon, you know, which I love, too. And she also kind of, I think, gets what Reba's saying, because Reba's like, listen, honey, you think it's been terrifying living with me for all these years? What do you think it's been like living with Sutton all these years? You. And I think that Garcelle can kind of get that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Garcelle, I think we've been watching this moment in the previews all week. So we're like, oh, my God, this is so awkward. Garcelle does barely even flinches. You can see that she stiffens up a little bit. Like, bitch, don't try it with me. But she also is like, I'm prepared for you. You think I can't handle you? I. I'm not backing down. And she's like, I'm not scared of you. In a very gentle and actually a very respectful way. But she does not back down. And she' you're right. I don't. I don't. I haven't lived with you guys. I haven't grown up with her. I don't. I don't know. You're right. I'm just coming as a caring friend. And before you lean forward and say something else that's condescending to me, I just like to say, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you're giving me a message. Is that it? She goes, well, maybe I am. Maybe I am the messenger. There. Done.

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you say to that? Bitch?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Good for her. In one way, I get what Reba's saying. Like, it's none of your fucking business. And it's not. But at the same time, like, I care about your kid, and you obviously have a shitty relationship, so I'm trying to help. You want me to back off? I'll back off. So I think Garcelle handled it very well, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I mean it. Truthfully. It really isn't Garcelle's place to have this conversation with the mom. But she's just like, fuck it. I'm gonna do it. Because, A, I'm on tv. And, B, like, what? I love my friend, and her mom needs to know. And I don't care if it's awkward and impolite. I'm gonna do this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And as someone who's lost her mother, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff you regret that wasn't communicated, you know? And it's like, I think you just get to a point where you're like, what are all these walls we build up with each other? They're so stupid. You know? They're so stupid. We just make all these invisible rules that we're not allowed to say this and we're not allowed to say that. We're not allowed to show this, feeling it. Who cares? Let me tell you. I read a lot of books. I watch a lot of TV show. Let me tell you how they all end. People die. They all fucking die. So whatever you have to say, say it. You know, because your story ends the same way everybody else's does.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Too many walls have been built in between us. Too many dreams have been shattered around us. If I seem to give up, that still never win. Because deep in my heart, I know the strength is within. That's Kathy Dennis. And she's never been more wiser.

[Ben Mandelker]

Katherine Dennis.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kathy. Very big difference. Kathy Dennis.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good for you. Katherine Dennis was always a poet. My favorite poet. My favorite poem from Katherine Dennis was when she was Crosswalk. Crosswalk yourself. I ain't slowing down. Die, stupid, crosswalk lady. It was kind of iambic pentameter. And I thought it was beautiful.

[Ronnie Karam]

I liked the haiku that she did once that went. Tommy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thomas. Thomas. Thomas, Thomas, Thomas, Thomas. Oh, I didn't want too many syllables.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you fucked it up there at the end. But that was pretty good.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was an extra bonus syllable. Bonus syllable. Just to kind of, you know, that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was a haiku plus.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a haiku. Plus.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was super sized because for 99 extra on peacock.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anyway, so inside. So we cut away. Kyle comes down. If you shed a tear just now with the beauty of Catherine Dennis's poetry, you're not the only one. One. So, Kyle. I made Ronnie chuckle. That's. I'm done. The. So anyway, you guys all know what happened last episode. Good night, everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're just so funny because I see you. Cat to God, your fingers. Tommy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so sad that I didn't see the landing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just you counting on your fingers and not knowing what to do with that extra us was really fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

But the thing is, there was so much flexibility with the syllables because it was only one word.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, so Sutton comes downstairs and she's setting up the table with Avi. Why don't we transfer some flowers from the living room and put them on this table? And Kyle comes in. She's like, oh, my God, everything looks so nice. Everyone here to eat? Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. So everything's good, right? We're all a big, happy fan. Like, it's like everybody's tense, but Kyle, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Kyle has no idea the subtext of anything happening this episode. So. So I was like, well, Garcelle's talking to Mom. It's like. So then we go back outside, and Garcelle's like. I think for me, my mom being gone. That's right. I've put on a little bit of the victim cloak here, so you can't come at me. I miss her so much. And I wish there Were things I would have said to her. And Reba goes, well, death is final, isn't it? You can't call your mother up and say, da, da, da, da, da, da. You can't call up your mot and say, I wish you were proud of me and my stupid little boutique. Congratulations. You sell us, you sell a camisole somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can promise you your mother didn't care about a boutique when she was here, and she doesn't give a shit about it now. Death is final, okay? Just like sales probably have to be at your store, otherwise everything would be returned over. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're talking to me Garcelle here. This is not sudden. I'm sorry. That was called projection. I'm a therapist part.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me tell you what they got very hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been dealing with the drama of possibly dried grits. Grits all morning.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've got some northerner making grits out in the kitchen. Doesn't know what he's doing. It's a very stressful time for me, and now I gotta care about some skort that's being sold in Beverly Hills. So Garcelle is like. She's like, no, no, no. I wish I could. I wish I could say anything. I would give anything to do that. Yes. And so I think so sudden. I think the sudden come out. Out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Okay, time for brunch, guys. And rea's like, well, we've been waiting since 8:00.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because now it's got to be noon, right? So sun's like, well, why. Why do you say things like that, Mom? She goes to show you more love. To show that you've wasted four hours of time that I could. Could have been giving you the love that you so apparently made.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so she's like, ma'am, thank you for your time. Well, thank you for wasting. This has been fun. So they clink and she goes, you're welcome. That'll be $1,000. And Garcelle goes, hold on. Wait for another trademarked.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cal comes out. What cost $1,000. I want to buy something that costs $1,200.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can shop anywhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can shop anywhere. Even in Rib's backyard.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every time Ben and I pass, like, a gas station store, we're like, oh, my God, I can shop anywhere. Where? Gas station stores, airport stores, airplanes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could shop anywhere. It's totally my personality. I know the one place Kyle can't shop, though. Kyle by Aileen, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, burn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Never too late to dis. Never, never, never too late. To diss that one sounds like somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Along the way, Reba got really hurt. She shut down, and that's what we're seeing. It may just be a dry biscuit to us, but it's the end of the world, Reba. So I know why Sutton had a relationship with her dad, and she didn't have that with her mom. And I think there might be some jealousy there. There might be some jealousy. I think that's actually pretty good. You know, maybe the mom was like, well, you liked him better anyway.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and also the. Think back. Earlier in the episode, she said that the. Reba said that she was her dad's favorite. Right. So Reba, like, she both knows what it's like to be in son's position, but she also is now, like, realizing, like, I think that she. She probably, in some ways, misses that as well and is definitely. I do think there's probably some jealousy there, and I think it's probably hard. Like, if you are a parent and you see, like, you feel like you do everything for your child, and then you see the child is just, like. Has a different bond with the other parent. Like, I actually can imagine that might be difficult. Difficult. I'll never know because I'm not gonna have a kid. But, like, I'll ask my house plants about it someday.

[Ben Mandelker]

My house. Here's what my house plants say if you ask them. Please give me some water. Please.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so thirsty. Yeah, I've got a house plant, plantasia, and she has some beautiful new blonde highlights, courtesy of being ignored. She's like. Like, Manila. She looks like Tina Turner now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. So now they start eating, and she. Reba's like, whoa, great color. I love this. This color. And she goes, well, they gave those to me because I ordered 100 napkins, Mama. So I got. I got some flowers. So then June Bug come. June bug comes in and sees the flowers and starts barking at them, which was pretty funny. She's like, move the flowers. June Bug's an idiot.

[Ronnie Karam]

But then she's also, like, isn't. Isn't Reba, like, taking one of the napkins, one of the nice napkins, and, like, pretending to do, like, bull fighting with June Carter? She's like, here you go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Run.

[Ronnie Karam]

Run at it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Run at it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's, like, waving it. And then June just goes nuts. So she's like, oh, I love these. I love these napkins you got, son. And then she immediately uses them to. Uses it to torture the dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then they sit down, and they start having some brunch. Stuff. And Garcelle says, do you want me to serve here? Do you want me to move, though? Just give it to me. I'll move them. She goes, would you? Okay. That wouldn't go, mama. It looked pretty for a second, but we're not going to be able to see each other. She goes, good. I want all y'all to see my face. Has anybody had any of these grits? And Garcelle's like, oh, these are good. It's like, you lucked out this time. Cocoa Puff, I'm talking to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I loved that. Garcelle is like. They're all talking about the grits. Like, oh, these are good.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's cream puff, right? I'm sorry. I just really like cocoa puffs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cream puff is like cream puff. The more standard. They could have gone the wrong way by accident.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, wow, why'd I say coco puff? I guess I met cream Puff. I'm trying to think of my old Southern, you know, anti.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're trying to think of the way that you've been tormented in the past.

[Ben Mandelker]

In the south, cream puff is the term. I prefer cocoa puffs. Okay, everybody calm down.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what I liked about this scene was they're eating this grits. They're all kind of having this small talk moment. Because that way, no one has to talk about anything. Rebus. Like, everyone's like, Reba's saying, has anyone had the grits? And Garce's like, oh, these grits are good. Kyle, you didn't have any. Because Kyle is clearly probably, like, moving the grits around because she's like, oh, my God. Carbs. And Kyle being put on the spot to have grits. That is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

In the middle of all this, Garcelle still finds a way to be petty towards Kyle. She's like, I'm gonna make you eat those grits on camera. Because if you don't eat those grits, Reba's gonna notice that now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kyle does her weird voice, like, I'm going to eat them next. Like you. Because, you know, grits are the most evil food that you can possibly eat. Like, if you're trying to lose weight, those. Those are the most. It's just cornmeal. But it's not just cornmeal. It's butter cream. Buttercream. Buttercream. Buttercream. And then you just keep stirring in more butter and cream until it tastes good and knows this. And she's not going to touch that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, didn't reach us. Order grits. Like, Last episode at that restaurant. And in the. Remember that restaurant that she met Bose with? And Dorita's like, I'll have the grits, please. And it's just funny to see that there's, like, a grits through line happening in Beverly Hills last place I would expect it. So it's a really uninteresting observation by me. Guys, let me stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me stop the pod show. Grits are in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop the show. They grits another episode. I have an announcement.

[Ben Mandelker]

Grits.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Reba goes, she thinks you put sugar on him. And Garcelle's like, well, some people do eat them with sugar, but I just don't get it. She goes, only northern people.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think at this point now, Garcelle has won over Reba. This is the point where Reba realizes that Garcelle, like, she. I think that Reba, at least maybe I'm projecting this onto it. There may be no evidence for this, but I think that Reba likes the way Garcelle held her own against her and that Garcelle understands a proper way.

[Ben Mandelker]

To make grits, that Garcelle is also mortified by northerners and their use of sugar.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I was like, at this. And I think that also, Reba probably, on a certain level, really adored the way Garcelle humiliated Kyle about the grits just now. She's like, oh, that was good. I like this woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can stick around. So they're talking about how pretty the house is, And Sutton's like, oh, I love all the houses in Augusta. They're all kind of different. You know, the house we lived in was built in. That was 1933, Mama. 38. 38. That's what I meant. You know, And I was thinking I might take them by and see it. And Reba just kind of nods, and she goes, it's just around the corner. She goes, it is just around the corner. Are you trying to trigger me? Ain't gonna work. I'm not gonna say anything snotty.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you know what else is just around the corner? This wooden spoon to your head. So. So Sutton's like, I want to go back to my childhood home. And she says she wants to show Kyle and Garcelle where she grew up, you know, because she loved the house, etc. But also, like she said, we always had great memories in that house until December 23, 2002. So this is like. I mean, this is so heavy. And it really does feel like, if not a Tennessee Williams play, some other, like, 20th century American, you know, piece of Theater that we're watching unfold right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this is crazy. And also, two days before Christmas. Oh, I know. It's just so dark.

[Ronnie Karam]

So sad. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Carl's like, oh, so we're gonna go see a house. We're gonna get to go inside. You know, I could sell it for you guys. Like, I'm in real estate, so if you guys need that. And Reba's like, no, we're not going inside. Somebody lives there. And then Kyle pauses. She's like, oh, I think we're going inside. Sounds like, well, we might ring the doorbell. Oh, no, you don't do that. You don't do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, horrors. Now she just got like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's got like 50% more Southern in that moment. And so Garcelle is like, you don't want to go inside? And she goes, I'm definitely not going.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you not hear me say horrors? So Sutton is basically saying. She now tells us that when her dad shot himself, Reba was home and she was in the kitchen. And she knew that he was like, he was on pills and he was on Xanax and he was self medicating. He was just in a really rough state. And she also knew that there was a loaded gun in the house. House. So sudden says that she might have. Sudden says that she personally has some penned up resentment towards her mother about. I guess she's implying that her mother should not have had the loaded gun in the house. Etc. So it's just. It's dark and, you know, and you know, Reba carries that with her too. You have to imagine. Right. Even though it's not Reba's fault, but you have to imagine she probably thinks about that. That. Yeah, it's just all one big psychological morass.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Reba's like, all right, well, what's next? We've been sitting here a long time. Anybody just want to pull a baseball bat and treat me like a panetta?

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. This was really, really yummy. Wasn't it yummy, Kyle, didn't you enjoy all the grits that you ate? Oh, wait, you have still haven't touched them. I'm about to eat them right now. God, stop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm going to go grab my purse upstairs. And Reba's like, where are you going, Sutton? She goes, we're going to go see the house, mama. She goes, oh, God. So Sutton's like, well, you know, it's a lot. I just said. Because, you know, we're still on Sutton's Confessional where? And the producer saying is your mom tried to deal with any of this? She goes, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And she goes, well, that's a lot. I just said we don't talk about this. It's like, well, you just gave an earful to America so it's going to be interesting. I wish we could see the mom's reaction maybe in the aftermath show or something, but I don't the mom even watches any of this. But yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Son's like, yeah, M. I'll give you a full report. And Reba's like, I don't want one. Commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

[C]

UFO lands in Suffolk and that's official, said the News of the World. But what really happened across two nights in December 1980 when US servicemen saw mysterious lights in the forest near RAF Woodpeck and claimed to have had a close encounter with an actual craft.

[Ronnie Karam]

Encounters, a new podcast available exclusively on Wondery, takes a deep dive into one of the most famous and still unresolved UFO encounters to ever take place in the uk. Featuring shocking testimony from first hand witnesses, hosts, journalist, podcaster and UFO researcher Andy McVillan and producer L. Scott take us back to the nights in quest question and examine all of the evidence and conflicting theories about what was encountered in the middle of a Snowy Suffolk Forest 40 years ago. Are we alone?

[C]

Encounters as a podcast, which is going to find out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen to Encounters exclusively in ad free.

[C]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then we now it's time to, like, switch things up. We're gonna go back to Los Angeles. We're in Erica's home, and there are painters there fulfilling Martin Lawrence Blow's vision. And there's like, there's construction, there's like, things happening. So Erica facetimes Dorit. And she's like, there you are.

[Ben Mandelker]

You ready?

[Ronnie Karam]

You ready to see what's going on? First of all, the place is a disaster.

[Ben Mandelker]

But look what's happening. She's like, oh, oh, my God. The cabana's getting a fist lift. Well, the f. The cabana's getting a whole new life. The wallpaper's going in over the weekend. But wait, boom, boom. Look what a little paint does to a hallway. I love that Martin Lawrence is really leaning into the black and white prison stripe for this whole thing. You gotta love someone who actually watches the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Erica's like, I've been under a microscope since the day I left Tom. And we see headlines again in case someone has not been watching this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's financially, socially, emotionally, I couldn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have done anything right. So God forbid I spend anything I make. And so now she's buying a Porsche. Now we see footage of her buying like a Porsche and them putting a bow on it and stuff like. Like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love that. Erica tried to, like, keep it, keep it calm for about a year. She's like, it, I'm getting a portion of remodel. She's like, yeah, well, there were some people that said I shouldn't even be able to work and have money. You know, I've always loved this tiny.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little house with its, with its little.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stove, tiny little hot, hot plate, and.

[Ronnie Karam]

The bucket that I pee in. It's nice to live in a humble abode. But the energy has changed so much. I just can't thank Martin enough. This is huge for me. Turn this 2 million dollar house to something that's worth, I don't know, maybe three and a half billion dollars. Oh, God. To live humbly. What a wonderful journey.

[Ben Mandelker]

You deserve it, Erica. Oh, thanks, honey. After four to almost five years of hell, I'm excited about life again. And I feel really good about that. Cause that's a signal to myself, you're returning back to normal. You get there, you're slowly making your way back to a place you recognize before you know it, I'll be crawling all over the floor in a thong, singing a song. Song. I'm not sure what the song is yet, but I'm sure there's gonna be a rhyme with pussy in there. So you just watch out. Grammys. Here I go.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not someone who sleeps into noon, but I was. I was sleeping to noon, if I even got out of bed. But now I wake up at eight.

[Ben Mandelker]

In the morning and prepare for a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whole day of nothing. It's exciting.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Bose's, and Bose has a scene with her daughter and she's like, I got us some snacks. And so she's like, oh, that's fancy. No, don't knock. Like, I don't do this for you every day. Okay, all right, here, let's just spread the snacks all over the couch and lie down on the couch and eat them. We'll just make the assistant over there stand. Stand there with the Dustbuster.

[Ronnie Karam]

Look at this. It's white chocolate, and that's caramel. And these are brownies. And that's some sort of donut hole. And that's some sort of cookie stick in this thing. I like to call it a tray. They all sit on it. Enjoy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is such a mom thing to do too, where you lay out all these snacks and you go, okay, here's everything. And then you eat a bite of one thing. She like, that's not how you eat it.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're supposed to dip it first. Come on. L. So L. Her daughter. L is. Is that how you say her name again? L. L, A, E, L. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's Lael.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lael. So. Or Lael. I don't know. But. So she sits her down and everything and she talks about how, you know, they are really close because, you know, ever since Boza's husband died, Leil's been the. Like, it's been the two of them, etc. And so, you know, Bo's asking her what's going on. And let's talk about. She's got volleyball and friends and stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

It seems like they don't. I mean, I. They seem very close in one way, but in the other way, I think it's probably just being on tv, you know, she's not used to being on tv, but it does seem very job interviewing. She's like, all right, well, what's been going on? She's like, volleyball and my. Can I eat? Should I dip this in? No, you don't have to dip that one okay, ma'am. Thank you. Okay. Your little friends. Why do you say it like that? What? Your little friends? Yeah. Do you want me to say your big friends? They'll kill you? I wouldn't say that to any of them. Especially the one that won't touch the grits.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Lael, she basically is asking, like, by the way, how long have you been dating Mr. Keely's, oh, eight months. And she says, well, because you told me in December, but I didn't know you were officially dating. And then you told me you were friends and you gave me that eyebrow like you sort of like, like. So I didn't know exactly what you meant. So you were like, so one of my friends is coming over to Gotham. She's like, girl, why are you into imitating me like that? That's not how I talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the last time I imitated how you actually do talk, I was offered the role of Gypsy of Mama Rose and Gypsy, so. All right, good point. Good point. Don't imitate me. So. So what are you talking about? She's like, well, I mean, I didn't know if you were dating. Dating just. Well, we were dating dating. I mean, at that point, a man is going to fly halfway across the world to see you. I would consider that dating.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bose tells us that Keely kind of spontaneously showed up in Ghana. And so Bose had to tell her daughter, oh, by the way, there's a guy I've been dating who's coming to see us. And. And she was like, where? Like here in Ghana? She's like, yeah, so that's pretty intense that the Gilly flew all the way across to Ghana. So. But she says things are. Things, by the way, are moving for me and for Keely in a way that's surprising for all of us. And as you know, your mom is not a spring chicken. She's a summer chicken. I just invented that. We're going to brand it next. And I was like, okay, you know what? My age, it would be better for us if we wanted to have a child to do it sooner rather than later. How do you feel about that? There's only one right answer. And that it is great. I love you, mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, I would feel good about it. Oh, well, why are you okay with it? Tell me, mama. And she's like, well, I just. I'm trying to think of the right words. Use any words, just not the wrong ones. I'm watching you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can start with Netflix. Netflix.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dip it. Eat it. Eat it. All right. Use the right words.

[Ronnie Karam]

Take your words and dip it into the chocolate sauce and then the caramel sauce. There you go.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, I'm going to be leaving, and then you won't have a kid to raise anymore. Oh, kids. Kids are so cute. Just thinking, oh, my God, what would my mother do do if they didn't have me around anymore? Let me tell you. Coke, Franzia, tennis instructors. Get the out of here. You ain't the center of the universe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you want me to have a kid because you're afraid I'll be lonely? And she's like, well, I think our bond is changing, and not in a bad way, but in an evolving way. And now I want you to share that bond with someone else. What I'm trying to say is, you're too much for me, mother. Oh. She's like, maybe I'll get more air.

[Ben Mandelker]

If there's another person you could be suffocating.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I'm shocked by this response. I didn't even know how she came up to this. There wasn't even a PowerPoint involved. Where is my baby? That threw attention when I suggested there would be another sibling. Where has she gone? So she goes, when? What about Keely? Well, I think I did it backwards. You know, would you accept a baby? Would you accept Keely? Except them both? So she's like, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, Vi, that's great, Mom. Okay, so tldr, you don't know how to dip snacks, and you're okay with me having a baby? Got it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Still have little friends. The end. So back in Augusta, they are going to the house, and so they're saying bye to Reba. And so it's like, wow, she can talk. And Kyle's like, I am obsessed with your mom. Love her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sutton, Garcelle and Avi are, like, just shaking their heads.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kyle comes and takes the mom's side immediately. So Kyle's like, these people are expecting us, right? And Sutton says, yeah, my good friend, who knows the current owners, arranged it. So we're gonna be good. We're gonna be good, guys. Now, this was the hill. We would ride our bikes down this hill. It just seems so big at the time. So big. But now look at it. It's just not such a big hill.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is like a scene out of, like, Forrest Gump. No, it's not. So Garcelle is like, it's literally nothing like Forrest Gump. There's just a hill. Like, I don't know, was a hill. Was there a famous hill scene in Forrest Gump. So Garcelle says this is the part of the trip I'm not looking forward to because it's the last place she saw her dad. And I don't know what the emotions are going to be like. And that scares me. So then they pull up to this house and there's this like, sweet family that's there and everything. And this lady and they say hello and. And Garcelle and sons now getting understandably, kind of spooked out. And she's getting nervous and she's getting choked up. Like, it's. It's pretty intense right off the bat.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is intense. It reminded me of that married to medicine where they went to Heavenly's childhood.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh my God, I thought that was so rough. And she's like, this was my room. I didn't have any windows. And I mean, I was just so sad. She was like locked in her room. I mean, it was just so sad. Okay, so anyway, so I'm already sad because this story is sad. Plus the heavenly memories in there. So anyway, they go up and they meet the owner and they go in just to start seeing it. And she's like, I'm sitting Strack. Nice to meet you. Maureen, I'm just going to warn you, there might be some tears. Marine's like, it's okay. Just walk through the house. You know, take as much time as you can. Just. You're wearing running mascara. Just stay away from the white couch. That's all I request.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maureen's like, listen, I just watched this is us last night, so don't even worry about tears. They have been flowing for 24 hours.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay, this is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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