#2728 Southern Charm S10E09 Bahama Shucks

Summary

Summary of Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2728: Southern Charm S10E09 "Bahama Shucks"

In episode #2728 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide a detailed and entertaining analysis of Season 10, Episode 9 of Bravo's "Southern Charm," titled "Bahama Shucks." Released on February 14, 2025, the episode delves into the latest drama and interactions among the cast during their Bahamian escapade.

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Introduction

The podcast begins with Ben and Ronnie celebrating Valentine's Day, setting a festive tone for their discussion. They express excitement about the "Southern Charm" episode, particularly highlighting the "ghosting" theme and its impact on the dynamics within the group.

Notable Quote:

• Ben Mandelker (03:35): "Happy Valentine's Day. What a special Valentine's Day to watch Shep just get shit all over on Southern Charm."

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Episode Recap and Analysis

Shep's Turbulent Relationship with Sienna

Ben and Ronnie dive into Shep's ongoing struggles with Sienna, emphasizing his misinterpretation of her signals and his desperate attempts to salvage the relationship. They highlight Shep's inability to recognize Sienna's disinterest, portraying him as emotionally unstable.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker (06:03): "I can’t play. I can’t date anyone in a white cable knit sweater and a stupid felt hat. We’re breaking up."
• Ronnie Karam (09:38): "You're yin or you're yang? Which ones are those? That's so wacky."

Craig's Entitled Attitude and Legal Jargon

The conversation shifts to Craig, who showcases his entitled nature by refusing to share accommodations during the trip. Ben and Ronnie mock Craig's reliance on legal terminology, particularly his humorous misuse of the K1 visa form to propose to his girlfriend.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie Karam (19:23): "That is a really fun... Because you're making them do all the work for it."
• Ben Mandelker (21:13): "Lawyers will be emailing us."

Group Dynamics and Conflicts

Ben and Ronnie explore the friction within the group, focusing on Taylor's strained relationship with Shep and Craig's selfish behavior. They critique the lack of genuine communication and highlight the recurring theme of manipulation among the cast members.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker (20:00): "People like that you just should never even go on vacation with."
• Ronnie Karam (22:33): "You did not do that either."

Shep's Over-the-Top Preparations

The hosts analyze Shep’s exaggerated efforts to impress Sienna, including his questionable fashion choices and superficial gestures. They humorously critique his lack of sincerity and inability to understand genuine connection.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker (62:37): "Shep's trying to manipulate and show that he's still got all this prowess."

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Character Insights

Shep Montenegro

Shep is portrayed as the emotional center of the episode, struggling to accept Sienna's lack of interest. Ben and Ronnie criticize his manipulative tactics and emotional instability, suggesting that his actions are more about preserving his ego than fostering a real connection.

Craig Bennett

Craig's character is dissected for his self-centeredness and misuse of legal jargon to mask his insecurities. The hosts describe him as the "grenade" of the group, whose behavior consistently sparks conflict.

Taylor Taylor

Taylor's interactions with Shep and her attempts to navigate personal drama are highlighted. The hosts mock her struggles with technology and her inability to move past her ex-boyfriend, emphasizing her passive-aggressive behavior.

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Dramatic Highlights

• FaceTime Confrontations: The episode features intense FaceTime calls where Shep tries to communicate his feelings, leading to awkward exchanges and heightened tensions.

• Packing Drama: Craig's tantrum over shared accommodations showcases his entitlement, creating friction within the group and highlighting his disruptive influence.

• Shep's Preparations: From questionable fashion choices to over-the-top romantic gestures, Shep's actions are scrutinized for their lack of authenticity and strategic manipulation.

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Conclusion

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam wrap up their analysis by reflecting on the episode's portrayal of dysfunctional relationships and group dynamics. They commend the show for delivering relentless drama while simultaneously criticizing the characters for their poor communication and self-serving behaviors. The hosts express anticipation for future episodes, hinting at ongoing tensions and unresolved conflicts.

Notable Quote:

• Ronnie Karam (54:27): "Taylor's decided that she's gonna show up and have a scene. Taylor, who's always running because people are trying to make scenes, is now gonna make a scene over her ex boyfriend."

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Final Thoughts

"Watch What Crappens" offers a thorough and humorous breakdown of "Southern Charm" Season 10 Episode 9, providing listeners with insightful commentary on the show's latest developments. Ben and Ronnie's candid discussions and sharp critiques make the podcast a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper understanding of the reality TV dynamics at play.

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Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on your bravs. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hi, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. Everybody, welcome to the show today. Happy Valentine's Day. We sure love you. What a special Valentine's Day to watch. Shep just get shit all over on Southern Charm.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a great point. Happy Valentine's Day. It's a ghosting episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is glorious. A karma episode for a terrible guy on Southern Charm. Oh, Happy Valentine's Day. Hugs. Hugs, everybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hug.

[Ben Mandelker]

Self hug, everybody. Welcome to the show. Today is your last day to stream the Golden Crappies. The audio will be posted over the weekend so you guys can listen to it. It's amazing. Ben makes his singing debut on Broadway. Yeah, it's so good. So go check it out. And all the guests are fabulous and all that good stuff. Also, what else do I have to say? We're still on tour. We start again in March. So get your tickets for all those cities. The first one's going to be Cincinnati, which we're super excited by. I believe that's the first one, right, Ben?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's our first one. Back after our little mini break here, I'm excited to go get some more of that Cincinnati Chile skyline. That was fun when we did that last time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that was fun. So we're going to be in Cincinnati, and guess where we're going to go after that? Can you tell I'm pulling up a list because I didn't have it up after that. We're going to be going to Minneapolis, Toronto, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington, Philadelphia, and that's all just in March. So if those are your cities, go get your tickets. If you want your city and you didn't hear it. Go check on watch what croppens.com. it's probably there with along with the ticket link to go get a ticket. Okay, so we're super excited to be back on the road. Also, if you want videos of our recaps, you find those on Patreon. And that's also where you find traders recaps which come out usually Tuesdays, so that's that. If you want free videos, you can wait for a week. You know, if you don't need them brand new, you can wait for a week. And they're on YouTube for free. It's our watch. What happens YouTube, everybody. Wow. Okay. Shall we get into it, Ben?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Let's. Let's get right into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Previously on Saturn Charm. Finita was mapping ever some little bridge troll while Shep is getting mixed messages from Sienna. Listen, these are not mixed messages. The messages are stop calling me, you creep. I only flirted with you to get a picture with you for my grandmother. Now leave me the alone, you weirdo. You smell your hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Shep could only wish he was getting mixed messages. It turns out he's not getting any messages at all. That's the problem. Okay, Read the writing that's not even on the wall. Just move on. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then, just when Austin decided it was time to play hard to get. And then we see Austin and Madison out for lunch, it was clear that Craig and Paige weren't even on the same. Well, Paige, get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Been waiting many years to use that pun on the show. They're like, finally, finally using the page. The page pun with the page scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we just see Paige miserable around goats and bees. And when they all got together for Pat's annual guys dinner. Hey, I'm just here to excuse terrible men. Ding, ding, ding. Craig was feeling the heat. And then we see everybody giving Craig for not settling down with Paige, which the hypocrisy still stings a week later from these guys. Whitney, Shep, and Austin all giving someone about committing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. I mean, look, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, it's just the way it's their thing. So now we see. Now it's time to start the. It's. This is actually a shocking way to start the episode because first we go to Sally's where she's. She's like. She's skateboarding, but, like, her dog is, like, trying to run along with her and, like, get on this. On the skateboards. It's like. It's cute. And then we go it's not cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

What the fuck is that woman doing? And where are social services? Get the hell over there. Listen, I like Sally, okay? Okay? And I wouldn't take her child away after the blowjob in the car thing. In fact, I'd give her more kids, you know? Yeah, but having your. Having your child run. Run where? There's a skateboard. And she said, what are you doing? Save that dog. Save that dog from that crazy woman.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that dog did almost get run over in the process, but I was just like, oh, okay. It's a skateboard and a dog. Usually those concepts lead to cuteness. So then we go to Taylor's house. There's so many videos of dogs and skateboards. I'm like, oddity dead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dogs led to those videos because practice makes perfect, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Taylor's house, and she's feeding Penny a chicken nugget from Bojangles. And Taylor's like, I don't feel like making my bed. And then really, you know, her personality just continues to develop.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then that was her lasting video. They were like, hey, we need someone with a lot of charisma. And Taylor's just like, I just. I would do my laundry today, but I just don't want to. They're perfect. You're perfect for this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Put it right on there. And then we go to Shep's house, and he is getting out of bed and he's in his underwear, and. And little Craig is there. And so the reason why this is so shocking to me is that we have a people doing things with their dogs opening. And who was not there is Venita and Charles. I was like, venita and Charles kind of pioneered this genre of opening scene. And I don't know how they're not included in it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's because I don't know how Sheffield has become a diva now, because Charles is like, oh, really? You want me to do an opening scene? Have the other dogs do it? Unless you pay me what I'm ready to be paid. You can suck a dick, all of you. That's what I said. Tell Haymaker it came from Charles. Charles has made a whole career out of this. He's like, see if those other dogs can replace me. Oh, what? The one running under the. The skateboard?

[Ronnie Karam]

Dead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some of us run to cars, not skateboards.

[Ben Mandelker]

Find a milk truck to chase, Newbie.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to human Craig's house, and he's got all sorts of stuff on the counter, and he puts on a cowboy Hat. And then he sits down to FaceTime Paige, and she's like, what are you wearing? Have you been doing ayahuasca? Please take that off in my presence. Okay, you know what, Greg? I'm just gonna break up with you. I was blindsided.

[Ben Mandelker]

I told you, I can't play. I can't date anyone in a white cable knit sweater and a stupid felt hat. We're breaking up. So you will marry me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then. Then his phone rings and Madison, it calls. And so she sort of puts them all together onto FaceTime to have a group chat because they're gonna like, be. You know, because Madison, I think Madison is one of the few people that Paige likes. So Craig is like, so I think the whole group is going to the Bahamas. And Madison's like, I know. I feel bad because we still don't know what's going on with Brett, you know, because he's got that, you know, he's got the. The throat thing or whatever, the liver thing. So we see flashbacks of him and dealing with cancer and everything and trying to figure it out. And so she's basically saying that she's gonna go on this trip because he's gonna be in California and Hudson's gonna be out of town, so what's the point of staying home and worrying?

[Ben Mandelker]

And even if it was here, it's not like it's telling me anyway. And Craig's like, well, I mean, if he's going to California anyway, it's better to be in the Bahamas than just like sitting around Charleston. Well, is it? Is it though? I mean, in the Bahamas, I have to see shirt and Austin shirtless. So I'm not really sure which is more traumatized.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. It's. Honestly, it's a. It's a. It's. It's. It's a little bit of a draw if you ask me, which is more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of a boner killer ship shirtless or waiting for cancer tests.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'Ll see in Charleston. So. So she's just gonna. And then she makes a comment. They're just sort of bantering. And then she goes, well, listen, you know what? I'm just gonna celebrate every day that I'm not pregnant.

[Ben Mandelker]

So yolo.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Paige goes, you and me too, sister. God, pregnancy, the worst. And of course, now Madison is pregnant. But so.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Paige is not going to the Bahamas. She's like, oh, sorry. I have two photo shoots next week that I can't reschedule. One is me shooting myself on a stoop in jeans, and the other is me Shooting myself at a bar, not giving a fuck that all you losers are. How is your show still on? Can anybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I booked a really important session with myself and my iPhone in my bed, so have fun in the Bahamas.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was going to make an effort to be on the show until I heard you had to sit through a three hour tuba concert, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

And not even a fulls size tuba. Like, that's gross.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want to go there so bad. I burned my passport. Paige, you don't need a passport to come to. To come to Charleston. Well, just in case.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Craig's like, well, I'm excited to meet Sienna, but like, poor Shep, he was kind of like spinning out a little bit at dinner. And then we have a flashback to Austin asking Shep if they talk every day. And Shep is like, gosh, we haven't seen each other in a month and a half as his, like, feet are like, rattling beneath the table. And Craig is like, you shouldn't have to force someone into liking you if the person likes you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop the car. Now let's listen to what we just said to ourselves. Okay. Okay. Keep driving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Keep driving. Please, please. If. If the person likes you, they'll make time for you, and they'll definitely want to. Stop the car.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop the car. Stop the car. The girl that you like just refused to make time for you. Okay, Just let that sink in. Okay. Keep driving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Keep driving. It's an insecurity that I've dealt with because Paige is so busy and, you know, her career is like, one of her biggest priorities. And I had to learn how to exist in that world by refusing to move up there and existing in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, the rumors are. And you know, who knows? Because we have to watch both of these damn shows play out now. It's like the saddest Marvel universe I've ever seen. I'm like, oh, my God, this is like having to watch that Professor. No, Doctor, not Magneto. What's the one who's like a magician? The one that Sherlock plays? Benedict Cumberbatch. It's like having to sit through that one to understand the next movie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Doctor. Wait. Dr. Wonderful. Dr. Strange.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr. Strange. Yeah, the first one was good, but the second one, I have to sit through this just to understand the other one. Come on, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dr. Wonderful's like, why don't I get a superhero movie? I'm literally Dr. Wonderful. Like, no, let me give it to Dr. Strange.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm Dr.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wonderful about him. Of course I'm Dr.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wonderful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why don't you Call me back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gosh, I don't have a job, and I get money in a mailbox.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dr.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wonderful. Sorry, you cheated.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm running a prescription for three hugs. As long as you return my text.

[Ben Mandelker]

Dr. Wonderful. So Paige is telling them. Yeah, she's not really texting it back much. I guess that's a shitty feeling. And Paige is like. Well, obviously she doesn't like him, which is the impression I've been trying to give you. Yeah, she's just not that into you. That's just the deal. Okay, now, I think that's. This is all a fantasy in Chip's mind. I mean, they're 20 years apart. I don't think he's in love with the idea of love. I think he's in love with the way she looks. I mean, she's stunning. I get it. Yeah. I think Shep is in love with her. Like. Like, old dudes are in love with, you know, really expensive Lambos or whatever. You know how when you see a Lambo, you never see a hot guy riding one, because by the time you can never afford to get one, you're all, like, crinkly and sunburnt? I think that's Sienna to Shep. He's just like. He's. This is that last grasp to prove his penis still works, and it's just not working. Sorry. You're gonna have to do other things now to prove your worth, sir, than never to show your friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a hot guy emerge from a Lambo or a Ferrari or any, like, fancy car. I think, like, you're hot. Like, the greatest chance you have of seeing a hot guy emerge from a car is to keep an eye out on, like, a Toyota Corolla. Let's be honest. That's gonna be a hot guy vehicle because he's spending all his money.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you're coming out of a hot car, you got to get old and crinkly and rich enough to get a hot car and then kidnap a hot guy and then let him out at some point.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. No, I like hot guys. Like, they just spend. They spend all their money on the gym, so they just don't have money for, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

We all know the hottest guys are on the bus. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

There we said it. So Paige is like, I can't believe that Sienna is kind of, like, ghosting Chef but, like, also still hosting. I'm just, like, confused by it. But at the same time, I love the passive aggression that she's doing. So I kind of like, her and Madison's like. I mean, I feel like we're gonna go sit there. I thought we'd go sit there and watch Chef get dumped.

[Ben Mandelker]

Invitations. I mean, this actually sounds like the best. The best episode of the year to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is really moving the needle for me to get out of Charleston.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but they were saying I love you and stuff. And Paige is like, okay, well, this has been fascinating, but I really have to get ready to my flight to nowhere. So am I allowed to leave now?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold on. Group. Group one is boarding from my bedroom to my kitchen. So I'll text you when I land tomorrow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'd just like to say goodbye to boarding group C. Goodbye, boarding group C.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because, you know, Paige, even in her fictional flights, is flying at, you know, top tier boarding class.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've been around Southwest.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, you did, didn't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because that's where you go, boarding group C. The other ones are by numbers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, boarding group C is for the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Lazy people who don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, because Frank booked my ticket because.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, you have to, like, call set. Well, you can pay for an early bird ticket now, where they give you a slot that you can stand in line, but if you don't do that, then you have to call first. You have to be the first to check in. And, you know, that's how they do it. So if you're, like the last one to check in, you're in group C, which sucks. You always have to sit in the middle. So whenever the last people come on the plane in Southwest, you just look at them like, oh, you lazy, unprepared fool. Enjoy it back there in the middle of the homeliest people in town, at.

[Ronnie Karam]

Least for the next six months, because then they're gonna start closing down open seating, which is a real sad, sad, sad state of affairs. We can't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can't have those power plays anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's true. I'm gonna miss that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, now you'll just. I'm also gonna miss.

[Ben Mandelker]

You'll have to judge every group as they come in. You can't just wait for group C. It's gonna take. It's gonna take all your judgment, concentration.

[Ronnie Karam]

I. I really. With Southwest, I really get off on the micro power plays. Like, you know, like, you. You gotta. You know, there's like the section that says, oh, B25 to B30, and then you're B27, and there's like, someone standing, like, at the front of the five person section, and you're like, excuse me, what? Which one are You. Or, you know, or the best is when you have like B25, so, you know, you're the front of the section of your little five person section. And there's always like a lady there who's like, harried. And then you say, oh, excuse me, what. What seat are you? As if you don't know that you are entitled to be the first one in the five person section. And she goes, oh, I'm. I'm B31. Oh. Oh, you know what? I'm B25. I actually stand here.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, okay, I actually reverse power play that because I know that people are like that. And I hate the people who move themselves up to the front of the line. So if I get the front of the line, naturally I stand at the very end of the flag. And then people have to come up to me and go, what number are you? And then they're like, oh, you're in front of us. So then I move up a little bit, and then people keep moving me up in front until I'm right by that person.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is a really fun. That is like a. Because you're making them do all the work for it, which is. As for me, I really. Well, am I. And my method is high risk. Because, you know, if you're not. If you're not like number 25, then when you go up to someone and say, excuse me, what number are you? Because I'm B27, they go, I'm B26. I go, okay, great. I'll just stand right behind you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You immediately bow to them. You're like, okay, I'm like, you know what? I try to look you in the eye. It wasn't intention.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, can I get you. Can I get you a beverage? Anything you need. You're higher than me. Whatever you need, go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, the person who's naturally like the 25 or whatever isn't if. Even if I'm 26, or even if I'm 25 and they're 26, they're never going to move. Even if everybody in the line is like, you're before me, you're 25, you're before me, you're 25, you're before me, you're 25. 26 has heard all of that. So they know that my ass is 25 when I'm standing right behind them. But they also know the rest of the line knows. And so we just all stand there and stare at them like that. Inconsiderate, you know, and it just feels so good.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? I hate. I hate when it's like, if you're B25 to B30, you're in that little section, and then B31 tries to sneak in. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're in the next tier down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You're, like, in a different neighborhood, fool. Get out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they would try it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Madison's like, well, don't worry. Shep will be all right. And Craig's like, well, I mean, I'm a lawyer. Okay, stop the car. Let's just all LOL for a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, all right. Craig is a lawyer. He's a lawyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, I could technically write up the visa paperwork for her, like a K1, which just means if she proposes, she would get a temporary visa.

[Ronnie Karam]

So when I. I don't know. But, like, all I know is that when Sienna gets detained by border control, she will then have to. They'll have to say, who wrote this K1 for you? A guy who runs a pillow company.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I just say that the reason we know what K1 is. Schedule K1 is an IRS form used by partnerships s. Corporations and estates and trusts to declare income and deductions just right up. So I guess. I guess he's going to say they're in a partnership so she would get a temporary visa. I don't know that that's the same thing. I think he could do that even if Shep didn't propose. If you're just going to pretend she owns part of the pillow factory or whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's just referencing the latest form that Jerry told him about. He was like, hey, Shep. I mean, hey. Hey, Craig. Can you get me a K1? I mean, as a lawyer, I could, like, write her, like, a K1 and a W9 and a W42 and a K9 and a beef 25 special K.

[Ben Mandelker]

The cereal, not the drug. So lawyers will be emailing us. So, lawyers, when you're emailing us, I am calling Craig A. And I'm going to stand up by that for a while, because I don't think that means what he thinks it means. Now, I'm sure it probably means something different, because every time I make a declaration like that, I'm proven an idiot, which isn't a surprise to me. I know I'm an idiot, but also, I learned things. So email on, people. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial. Elevating my style used to mean breaking the bank. But with quints, I get high end, versatile pieces at prices I can actually afford. Now I can upgrade my style by snagging luxury essentials that sync with my vibe and my wallet.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So Shep goes to Kenny Flowers Flagship and Cabana Club, which is because it's Charleston, a place where you buy clothes, and the clothes sound about as good as that title. So he's like, gosh, I'm going to the Bahama, but I want to look cool. That's why I came to Kenny Flowers Flagship and Commander Club.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, girl, I'm not a mirror. Sorry, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna get some florals.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're gonna get florals. I just want to look cool. I'm not a miracle worker, sir. Okay, okay. Well, I'm gonna let that pass. So show me the most floral thing you've got.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, here's something with drinks and cocktails on it. Well, drinks can taste floral. I'll take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Matching shorts too. Hey, listen, it's me. I'm sure I'll be wearing good drink no matter what I wear, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Molly shows up, and she's also gonna buy some. She's gonna help him buy clothes, but she's also gonna look for a bikini. And he's like, gosh, I love shopping with girls. And then we see a flashback to shopping with Cameron back in 2013. I can't believe the show's been on that long. She's like, no, Chip. That looks bad, Chef. That looks good, Chef. That looks bad. Come on, Chef. You look stupid. Chip. Come on, Chip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Molly needs to drop her insecure. I'm so sick of it. Molly is one of the most gorgeous people. She plays a tuba. She's got a great personality. She's funny, and she. Every time you see her, she's like, I'm fat. How are you doing? Feeling fat. Okay, well, where do we go from there? You know you're not fat. Okay, stop it, Molly. Stop it. I'm gonna pull up in my anti van and shove you in there and drive you around the circles, telling you you're not fat until I say, how are you? And you're, like, not fat. That's what I want to hear, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Shep is just saying that he's, like, trying to. Trying to buy something that a girl would find attractive. It stands to reason, yes. So of course that's why you're here at Mr. Furley's boat shop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whatever this Thing is called selling flowers boat and buckle. And so he's like, wow, guess what? I got a gift for Sienna because my friend makes sharks. Well, he doesn't make sharks, but he finds sharks and he kills them and then he steals their teeth and then he makes necklaces. Girls love that. Girls do not love that. No one wants a shark tooth necklace, okay? You'll find a five year old to give that to you. Nutcase. And then we see that not only does he think girls like this, he gave one to Taylor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. This is. Don't give. Okay. Shark. The shark tooth thing is. The shark tooth thing is really like. That is such a bad. Like, oh, God. How did this guy get an entire show called Relationship Chef if he's handing out shark tooth necklaces? It's just mortifying. But the fact that it's not. It's a recycled gesture is really the worst part of all. Like, oh, God, I'm. I'm. I'm mortified. And I'm also mortified that, like, Molly is not steering him in the right direction because he's like, karsh, is that too sharing? And she goes, what? No. Why is that douchey? It's. It's a gift.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. So where the blankets? Smallpox on them. Give me a break. Yeah, relationship. The. The show where, like 90% of the contestants evicted themselves. I mean, more people stay on Survivor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Gosh, I don't know how to act. All of a sudden I feel so helpless. I'm a little boy. She goes, well, it's weird when, like, the vibes change and you're like, oh, God, what do I do now? Kind of like me standing here in a bikini in front of you and you haven't even seemed to notice. I know, I'm cool. I swear I'm gonna have fun no matter what. That's my mantra. Fun no matter what.

[Ben Mandelker]

We know. That's why you are nowhere. And she's like, yeah, I guess we're gonna have fun. Let's go to JT's apartment. So he's lighting candles and looks like he's getting something romant happen. And I'm like, oh, my God, please tell me he's not already bringing his Instagram lover on the television. But no, it's Vanita, because she's a sucker. Vanita. Jesus Christ, you put Charles out to pastor for this? Shame on you. Get some self respect.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, the bond between Vanita and I is a beautiful thing. And, like, timing could be a mean, I guess, especially if you never really had any intention to date her in the first place. So she. He's basically like, but we do have this great friendship, and now we know there's a line we won't cross. And that's kind of how it works.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, geez. Time can be a. We know. We can see your plugs. Okay. So she comes in and she's like, well, JT is my best friend, so, you know, his. I have a girlfriend. Okay, I guess I'll support it, but it also means being flirty and cutesy with you is done. Hi, jt. Here's a branzino and a kiss.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. So he's like, well, I actually feel really good because Shep. Shep invited me to the Bahamas, you know, and we see a flashback to that. And he goes, I generally, you know, I generally like Madison, and I liked our friendship, and I want that friendship back. It matters to me. But, you know, like, I think that she's gotten a version of the truth that's been skewed. And, yeah, I want to work on that. No, she's not going back. It's not happening anytime soon.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she is excited that he's gonna be going. And he's like, me, too. I mean, maybe I'll fly down the next day. I got some meetings, I think, you know, you know, Airbnb stuff. I don't know, people. Maybe they'll take the Airbnb sell there. And, B, I don't know. Bunny's gonna call about a couch soon. So the huge meetings. Who are you fooling? You don't have any meetings. You're scared. I don't blame you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And also, I think that, like, part of it is that production is holding them back. And it's like, okay, you guys join the next day. They're gonna want everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Surprise.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we want everyone to get mad about you the night before. So. So anyways, he's talking about the suits he's gonna bring, and he talks about bringing in. Bringing his birthday suit. And she's like, no, not an option. And then they talk about how all the sofas in the apartment are. Bunny pick them out, which is real fun. And JT's just hoping, like, you know, if I'm there with Madison in the group, I think it'd be a great chance for, you know, to have a really chill way of conversing with her and hopefully building a bridge back. I'm like, based on both of you, I don't see any chill conversations happening. I think that ship has sailed many times over.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I hope he tries it, though, because it'll be fun to watch Madison cut him down. You know, the first time, I thought it was way too mean on Madison's part, but now he's done Vanita wrong, so I'd like to see a little chopping do it. So he's like, well, I mean, I think it'll be doable. Craig just maybe walks it back a little bit. And she's like, yeah, like, maybe if he said he said it out of context. No. Maybe you could say lied. That's not gonna happen. You're on the wrong show. Vanita. Stop giving this man a chance. From this moment on, this is your fault, Vanita, because you are now bringing this to the table. Okay, Bill.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Vanita says, no, you have to be the bigger person. You've got to be the bigger person. Which, unfortunately, is a lifelong challenge for JT in many, many different ways. So Vanita is like, you know, your emotions do get the best of you, like they do for all of us. And, like, he's already said that's a problem for him. For him. And he doesn't like it and walks away when you do that. So don't give him the opportunity to keep on winning. Basically, she's like, stop trying to, like, get in his face. It's not gonna work.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Maybe I'll listen to you. We're like yin and yang. Which one are you? You're yin or you're yang? Am I yang? Are you yin? Which ones are those? That's so wacky. Yang's like. And then yin's the piece, right? Okay, so Yang needs some branzino. So there's the stove.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we're at a restaurant, and Austin is there, not wearing his short sleeve navy polka dotted shirt. And Rodrigo shows up and they say hi, and everything's just like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rodrigo's like, he just heard a sound in the house at all times. He's always looking around. Like, his eyes are just, like, wide open. Like, what?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's always surprised when he's given a solo scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so, yeah, he's like. So speaking of the Bahamas, you know, Shep was talking to me about, you know, stuff with Sienna recently. I was like, are you being followed? Why are you looking around the restaurant?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he told me too. He literally explode like a sad puppy dog. And he, like, looked like somebody had kicked. It was insane how stupid he looked right there and then looked like a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Puppy dog that got run over by a skateboard. Do you know there's an epidemic of that right now in Charleston. It's crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rodrigo's. Rodrigo's. Like, that's how it seemed like when he called me. I, like, was out to lunch with Taylor, and, like, I could just hear it in a voice. Oh, my God, this person's coming to our table. They're holding a little. Little piece of paper. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's the waiter. It's a menu.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see this phone call where Taylor is hanging out with Rodrigo, and he's like, oh, it's. It's Shep calling. Should we hide? Check. No, answer it. Just say, I'm not here. And so he puts Shep on speakerphone for Taylor to hear everything. That's pretty low, right? I mean, I know they're on reality tv, but that's a shit friend move.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it is. I agree. That's like a. And that's a classic move that happens on reality TV all the time, but that is a shit thing. And so Shep is saying. Talking about Sienna, and he's like, gosh, it's been. It's been sort of interesting. I mean, sort of dismaying. It's been a while since we've seen each other, and there's just like. I feel like. You know, I feel sort of helpless, honestly. And as accomplished as she is, she's still pretty inexperienced at times, you know? And I understood the context of that. Basically saying, you know, she has done a lot in her life, but she's still. She's still 26. She's still, like, kind of immature, right? You know, and then Taylor. This sets Taylor off because then she's like, I mean, how does he know?

[Ben Mandelker]

How could he.

[Ronnie Karam]

How could he diminish her accomplishments? I mean, just because she's. He. He's not doing anything with his life, so now he's got to diminish what she's doing with her life. I mean, she's doing a lot. She's a beauty queen. She's doing things. She's, like, taking care of her grandma in the Bahamas, and how dare Shep. Shep is the worst. I hate Shep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Taylor, you've sold a lot of sodas with alcohol in them, okay? No one is diminishing you, Taylor. I'll be a projector.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do not degrade her. Do not degrade her. She's very accomplished, smart, individual. Okay? Relax, Taylor. Come on. Let's not let your. Let's not let your damage show too much.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Rodrigo's like, for me, it kind of felt like her taking her own feelings with Shep and then using Sienna as, like, a proxy for how she feels. And Austin goes, obviously, it doesn't take Freud to figure that one out. Okay. God. Fucking idiot. Thought gay people weren't supposed to be smart.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stephen Freud, original Dr. Wonderful. So they're basically like, okay, great. So then. Then we go over to Taylor's house, by the way, and Taylor is trying to figure out how to use WhatsApp because her mom has an Android. So that's a struggle for her. And I get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I get it. I have to do that with my friend, too. But I. When I started using WhatsApp, I thought she was calling Sienna, didn't you? Because that's usually what you used to talk to people in other countries. And I was like, oh, yeah, I was going there. But she didn't. It's just her poor disappointed mom who's traveling all over. Well, I don't know. I always think her mom's, like, on African safari, but I think it's just because she dresses. Every time we see her, she's in, like, a big straw hat and, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

And a scarf. Yeah, she always has, like, a little scarf. She's like, okay, Taylor, I picked out a great scarf for our television phone call today. So they're talking, and Taylor's talking about. Leslie asks like, so what's your strategy for coming for this coming week in the Bahamas? And she goes. Taylor's saying she's gonna keep her distance from Shep and everything, and he seems really insecure in his relationship, etc.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, really? Is that why you're still talking about Shep with your mother? Get over it. I'm like, my God, you brought a new person on tv, and you're still like this over Chef? She like, yeah, well, Chef's real insecure then. Chef doesn't know nothing about relationships, and, like, he's insecure in his life, and, like, I don't know. He broke my heart, and he's not the greatest boyfriend to me. And, you know, that's why I didn't want to go. But I do want to hang out with the girls. But there. There's been a lot of girl drama, but it's all because of Jeff. And Jeff's mean, and her mom's just like, oh, honey, God. So Gaston's not really doing it for you? Shocker. Shocker.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then what we see so the. On the heels of her saying there's girl drama, we see Taylor, you know, going after Sally and everything. But then we come back to the present. And then Taylor says, but we actually had, like, a really fun girls night, and there was really good energy, and, like, I think I'm really excited to hang out with them. And we see flashbacks. So the night before all the girls got together, they had a fun time. Taylor and Sally, like, buried the hatchet. Everything was good. Taylor got drunk. She was dancing up on a wall. And I kind of felt like this was sort of shitty of the producers because Taylor, she is personality challenged, and it looked like she actually had a scene where, like, her personality kind of, like, flowered a bit and was having fun and was being silly, and they just. They relegated it to, like, a quick clip and then. And in fact, the truth is, we watch all these scenes of the guys together, and we know this is a show about the guys, but, like, I think we were owed, like, a scene of the girls all being together. So I think this. I think this was shitty. I think we. We should have seen the scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

I agree. Because they've replayed the same thing of the guys over and over. Like, Austin is hurt because Craig doesn't want to hang out. I mean, it's been an entire season of that. Show the girls, like, show them making out. I'm not making out. Making up. Show them making out. Show them making up. I mean, they fired. They had that big girl power season, and then all those girls have since been fired or quit. Most of them fired, let's face it. And these guys discard these women and go through them and get new cast members, and now they're just like, okay, let's just get fodder. You know what I mean? Let's just get dumb girls to, like, throw out or plain girl. I shouldn't say dumb girls, but, like, plain girls just get them out there. Throw them out there for meat chum for the guys. Let the sharks get them, and then we'll just recast next year. We'll get new girls. Yeah, these guys. And I don't like that they're not props. Give them a scene. I want to see them team up and take the guys down again. That was the most.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think. I think it was like a lost opportunity to just sort of develop them as just characters on the show, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I mean, how many times do we have to see Austin go to lunch and order waffle tot somewhere and spit them all out on top of his beers? So Taylor is. Her personality has now receded back into her armadillo shell, and she's like, I just feel like I'm in an okay position with these women, and I just want to continue on, and I've got the ball rolling, and I want to keep the ball rolling. And it's. It's not about Shep. But by the way, can I tell you something else about Shep? He totally denigrated his own girlfriend. I mean, have some respect for the girl. She is accomplished. Okay, honey? Okay, so I put on this scarf to not talk about Shep anymore. Okay. This is my not talking about Shep scarf. I don't know if you could tell. So can we talk about something else? I think it would be a good idea to concentrate on relationship with your girlfriends.

[Ben Mandelker]

The dogs are farting. The dogs are farting. It's like the second she lets her mom say anything and give advice, she just doesn't listen and starts giggling about dogs farting. And that's why you're nowhere, ma'am. That's why you're nowhere. Hang up on your dog daughter. You know, I think at some point mothers just need to normalize, saying, if you're not going to listen to me, then I don't have to sit here and listen to your and just hang up. Because Taylor doesn't even listen. Get rid of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Craig is now packing for the trip, and he's smelling his underwear to make sure they were clean, because they're not. They most likely are not. The thing is this. If you have to smell your underwear because you don't know which underwear is clean or not, that's a problem. Like, you should have an area that's designated for clean underwear, like your drawer. And then Venita is packing with Charles. So here Charles is like, I was just waiting for my own scene. I don't have to be put in a montage with other less interesting dogs. I get to be part of the varsity level packing with my person scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Vanita's like, is this dress good? No. Is this one good? Look like a blood clot fart. Is this one good? Look like a penny fart. Is this wasn't good. Die. All right, Charles. Well, Jesus, thanks a lot. You're really getting a big head.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, seriously. So Madison calls Vanita and asks what she's bringing to the trip. And they're talking about dresses and Ronnie. It must have been. You must have been very happy to hear this, that Leva is not coming on the group trip this year because she's going to be staying home with little.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. I just don't understand why they keep Leva. 11 makes no effort. Love it's like, no, I have a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kid, so I don't think Leva even. Yeah, I don't think Love really even wants to be on this show anymore. So. Vanita is so. But she says that Ryan's coming and Taylor's coming and JT's coming. So Ryan came on the strip. Is it me? Did we not see Ryan at all? This poor guy, he really. He really is relegated to the shadows. Just where he quivers. He's like a little quivering. You know when people, when they rescue like little baby animals out of the woods, you know, like there's. There's been something happened. The mama died. They. They saved the little baby squirrel. And it's like trembling in the. In the person's hand. That's what Ryan reminds me of. He's just like trembling in the corner in Bahamas.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like being fed with a. He's being fed with a bottle while they try and fit a new wig on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

He might not be there though, because I think a bunch of people are coming the next day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, okay. Like Whitney, etc.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But who knows? Yeah, I think it's. They just keep cutting him out and he's probably got a speech in everyone where he's like, everybody, here's my speech.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they just cut it like, whatever. So Vanita says, tells Madison to have her best behavior and no, basically this.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then they get to the airport and Shep is trying to call his girlfriend, who's supposed to be there to pick them up, I guess, and she's not there. So the line is just ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing. And Craig's like, well, you should just let it ring because sometimes when it's international, it has to ring for a while until the K1 office picks up. And then they pass it to the W mine office and then you're refunded.

[Ronnie Karam]

A call, of course.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks, Craig. Thanks for your knowledge. But finally, after like five minutes, she picks up and she's like, oh, hi, what's up? Oh, my gosh, I'm here. It's amazing. Everybody, she picked up. I'm here. Sienna, I'm here. Got a little boy. I've got flowers. I've got a ring. I can't wait to see her. She's like, maybe I'll stop by your hotel later.

[Ronnie Karam]

She seems really unrushed. Well, in a long distance relationship, your person should pick your love. The lover should pick the person up at the airport. I mean, that's kind of what you should do. I mean, I'm Craig and even I know that. I mean, and he's right, too. So the fact that she's not only not picking him up at the airport, but also is like, oh, I guess I'll see you later. Like, at some point. Yeah, Just, it's so cringey. So then the chef is like, oh, I think that went well. I think it went well. I think everything's good. I think she loves me back. She's enough. Wait till she sees my shark tooth necklace that I got her. Oh, that'll seal the deal.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, you know, I think we're gonna be ripping into Taylor a little bit because she's such a dodo bird later in this episode. But he's obviously bringing the shark to connect tooth necklace to trigger Taylor, too. So they both deserve each other. I just wanted to get that out before I forgot. So now they go to, you know, their. There's a band playing. They get to the hotel, like, this is amazing. And now the boys. The boys are in one suite. The girls are in another suite. So the boys go to their suite, and Shep's like, wow, we've got a giant suite for the guys. This is amazing. We have a private pool. We've got snorkeling. We're gonna go out on a boat, which kind of lends itself to snorkeling. Doeseth it not gory gorsh?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then his phone dings, and he says that Sienna's gonna be coming over, and he's like, I wrote down a bunch of stuff I wanted to say. Oh. And he, like, starts pulling out, like, a piece of paper, which is like, oh, gosh, no. This is not going to win her back. Whatever you're. Whatever. Whatever you planned out. And Craig is like, that's what always happens. You know what? You need to just, like, talk from the heart. I can write a K1 for you if he wants to help you. Talk from the heart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, you know what you should do right now? Practice. Just say right now whatever's in your heart part. Well, poor people should be turned into soil and green because they're not really producing anything. Okay, well, maybe don't do that. Oh, God, of course.

[Ronnie Karam]

Darn it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. Oh, so you got her necklace. Let me see the necklace. I really got her a nice necklace. It's so nice. The shark was so glamorous.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, like, you know, I don't know. I don't give it to her before the conversation. Right. And, well, you don't want to have. Well, you don't want to have her have it in the hand and be like, well, dude, what am I supposed to do with this? Oh, gosh. Well, can the next guy new day venmo me saying it'll be from him. I'm so nervous. Oh. So Austin's like, dude, okay, you don't want to dump on anybody or kick them when they're down, like, but that's not a good move. But I don't think that Shep had it in him to let another human control his emotions as much as this. But, like, wow, Sienna is really manipulating him.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's not manipulating him. He's Trying to manipulate her. He's trying to take someone who clearly doesn't like them and bend to his will so he could have this imaginary hot girlfriend that he can brag who doesn't even live in town so he can be cheating all the time on her and repair his reputation. He's trying to use her. She's not manipulating him. She barely can stand him. And it's obvious. She apparently thinks that they're just friends. And Shep's trying to make this into a storyline and she's not going to let it happen. So the manipulator is the one that's failing here and that ship. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think she is, like, a little too shy or something to actually say, yeah, I'm not into this. So they are all. They all get to their suites. They're all looking around. They're all like, oh, my God, Presidential suite. And it's all really nice. They're at Baja Mar, which I feel like there was some other Bravo show that went to Baja Mar because.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I don't know, it was. Which one was there? Isn't there one in Dubai? I feel like we've heard Baha Mar.

[Ronnie Karam]

And maybe if I got more saying Bahamar. So everyone's splitting up and choosing beds. It's the classic vacation time, vacation montage and everything. And now Craig starts to lose his mind because there's no.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's only the Born. As I looked it up. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I just gave bad information, guys. I don't want people trying to book Bahama in Dubai. What was a place that Caroline was screaming at her husband about when she's like, I'm on the phone with Ferrari. It's Ferrari, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

The truth is they've actually gone to the Bahamas a lot on Bravo. And so, like, if I typed in Bahamar, Bravo tv and a lot of results came up. So I think it's just like one of the classic destinations. But anyway, so essentially, there are only three bedrooms, but there are four guys, which means that, you know, for the. On the girls end, not a problem. I think Molly and Sally decide to share a bed. Doesn't even matter. It's so inconsequential, we can't even remember. But Craig is like, I don't want to share. I mean, this is crazy. Three rooms for guys. I'm 36 years old. No one in their 30s should have to share a room now. I agree. I would. I would be. I'd be annoyed if I had to share a room. But I Don't think I would have it. I would not have a tantrum because I'm with my friends, and I'd be like, well, this kind of sucks, but okay, well, I guess it is what it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No, Craig's doing his winter house. Like, I don't clean. I'm too rich to clean. Throwing his money around at people. He's. You know, we knew that Craig was going to show himself at least once this season, and here he is. He can't fake it for that long. So he's walking around going, I don't have to share a room. What are we poor? We're not fucking poor people.

[Ronnie Karam]

But Craig also, it's like, he's acting like he doesn't want to be, like, subjected to having to sleep in the same room as someone who's awful. No, Craig, you're the one that no one wants to share with. Like, you're. You are the. You are the. The grenade that someone's gonna have to jump on in this vacation. Like, we've. We all know his household that we see on the show. This is. There is someone that comes in and cleans this household for him. Okay? Like, we have seen years of Craig's living situation and the total mess and depravity and everywhere, and he's gonna act like he is the. He is the one that, like, can't be subjected to a terrible roommate. No, you are the grenade here in this situation, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

But also, if you're that snotty about it, just get your own room. When I can. When I go on group vacations and there's, like, a bunch of shared rooms, I just get my own room if I can afford it, wherever we are. But sometimes I can't. But sometimes I do. I don't make a big deal out of it. I just get. Get it. Like, I don't call everybody else poor and make a big deal out. This guy's such a loser. This guy's such an. I love seeing this side come out. You cannot hide that forever.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Austin's like. He's like, dude, like, the four of us in this thing, it's gonna be sick. Because he's like, it'll be fun. It'll be like slumber party, right? And Craig, like, we booked our own rooms. We're not poor. It's like, relax, Craig. Craig, relax. It's not. Relax. Craig's like, I'm not sharing a room, bro. He's like, I'm not doing this. And he goes into a room and slams a door and what's also annoying about this is that now Craig is going to get his way. So, like, he is going to get a solo room because he's having a tantrum. And it's just like, people like that you just should never even go on vacation with.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Or be friends with, because they're just fucking assholes. You know, you can. You can hide it for so long, but then you can't. So they're all mortified by Greg, you know? And Austin's like, he's a tyranny. He's a tyrant. These are tyrant guys. And so they're like, chill. You know? What are you gonna do? So meanwhile, Shep is pacing around, freaking out about this girl coming, and everyone goes down to the pool. And Vanita's coming tomorrow, and probably JT is coming tomorrow, too, as we know. I don't know that they are.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whitney. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Whitney. Yeah. So Rodrigo's like, oh, God, we probably are gonna all have to share. Craig's gonna freak out. So then Shep's like, okay, everybody. Well, Sienna did a lot of work to help us be here. And Taylor goes, santa. Like, Taylor's decided that she's gonna show up and have a scene. Taylor, who's always running because people are trying to make scenes, is now gonna make a scene over her ex boyfriend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, basically Santa. Because we never see her Beta. So then Taylor goes. I have a question, Shep. How long have you guys been exclusive? Well, I know on my side, it's been three months. I don't think that stalker. I don't think that's how exclusivity works. I guess it does. I guess it can work that way. But they're like, well, what about on her end?

[Ben Mandelker]

Baby gar steer. Baby gar steer. Well, I went into a pub, and she was really nice to me, so now we're married. My little baby gorse, dear.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Shep told me he was exclusive. He just hadn't told her yet that. Which is healthy. Well, maybe this is the talk, you know? Well, I don't remember him ever sitting me down and just saying, hey. I just want you to know that, like, I love you and I care about you and I see a future with you. So, like, that's a huge moment. Well, I'm sorry it didn't happen with you, Taylor. And that should have been the moment that you should have left this man, to be honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Taylor, you're just making yourself look dumber that you stayed that long. Okay. And also, you know, Taylor's like, well, he Clubbed me on the head and dragged me into a cage cave. And eventually I got a chicken nugget. So it was love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. But then she also says, oh, well, he did tell me he loved me within the first two weeks of us talking. And I was, like, very drunk. He was like, I love you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Taylor. I mean, how many. How many more red flags did you need, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor has to make a quilt out of a red flag and save it for her baby. You know? Know, just like, these are all the red flags your father gave me. Let's always remember him as I cuddle you by this fire. So, yeah, she's still clearly bitter. And Sal is like, but wait, she doesn't talk to you. Shep's like, well, communication has been decreased significantly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you deserve better than that. I mean, have you thought about going to the parking lot of a steakhouse and trying to get a blowjob for someone? Because that could be where love could. Could find you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just need to be more honest with her to explain your situation. He's like, I am honest. And Sally goes, yeah, everyone deserves communication. And he's like, I know where I stand. I just don't know where she stands. In my mind, we're married with children now. I don't know. She on board with that? Who knows? Who cares? Mom thinks it's true, so the money's gonna keep coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

I highly doubt that. It's miscommunication on her end. I think that you have something really good in front of you and you're kind of it up right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but she's drinking him along now like a poor person.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's not stringing him along. What part of her not answering the calls or the messages says that she is drinking him along? She's just probably in a situation where they're like, producers reached out to her and said, hey, we're gonna do this vacation down here, and we want you to be part of it. And she's like, well, it would be cool to be on this TV show, so I'll do this. But I don't know. That's not enough to be a string along for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. And he said himself that it's only in his head that they're committed, that she's not committed to him. So to her, it's some celebrity she hooked up with on Raya that she sees occasionally. And to him, they're married in his head. And now he's bringing all of his family, quote, unquote.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

His friends to meet her and her family. And she's like, what the is going on? You know, this is weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then Craig's basically telling Taylor, you guys have some unresolved stuff. Oh, wow. Congratulations, Craig, for picking up on that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I love how Craig turns into Dr. Phil in this episode. Let me just say I think there's some unprecedented stuff here. Meanwhile, Taylor's holding a wine bottle above her head, ready to crash it down on chef. Wow. Good, good, Good eye, Craig. Unresolved step. No. I'm happy for you. And I want that for you. And I want that for me too. Flashback to a tuba party where Shep is saying that Gaston isn't good, isn't good looking, and he just looks mid. You don't even know Gaston. Why are we talking about Gaston? Okay, if you're not going to bring this man on TV and you won't let anybody talk about him, then why are you bringing him up? That's not fair.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shep is like, you know, he. Gaston should come around. He chooses not to. Well, would you come around if your name was being absolutely smashed? I'm like, you're still here. So, I mean, Shep kind of threw you. Dragged you through the mud. Gosh, nobody could deter me from coming around. Nobody. I'll always come around. I'm like Carly Simon, and I'm coming around again.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like your mama, who's so big that she doesn't only come around the house, she comes around the house. I never really got that joke. Me neither. Who cares? It's literature. Shut up. Well, I'm very happy in my relationship. And he's like, okay, okay. I just wish you had a better reputation. That's all. Gorgeous. And that's the end of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Sally's like, I'm just keeping my mouth shut. I'm like, not gonna be in the middle of this, so. Well, cheers to the girls that are in our lives, who will always be in our lives, because we have really great relationships and they have not made any indications that they're deeply unhappy with us. Cheers.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Shep's phone chimes and the girls get in the pool, and he's like, oh, my God, she's coming. She's coming. At 6:45, she'll say hello, and then we're gonna meet him at dinner.

[Ronnie Karam]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God, you guys, you need to help me. And Craig's like, we can be wingman. We know what we're doing. But you're just eating wings, Craig.

[Ronnie Karam]

Isn't that what Just remember, literal wingman. I think you should just remember that you're fun first and not overthink it. That's the best case. Yes, Shep, fun first. Cut to Shep sitting in a chair with his, like, ankle going 60 miles per hour. Very fun. A very fun person.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, okay, so then in the pool, Madison's telling Taylor, wow, you said a lot today. Who put a nickel in you? Watch you shake. She's like, I'm genuinely just curious at this point. I'm just, like, actually curious about a lot that.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Hey, Shep, you need to be focused on Sienna, not your ex. Like, oh, gosh. I mean, you know, I'm really excited to see Sienna. I just want shelter from the storm. So now they're go. They're gonna go their room, and they're gonna. What they're gonna do is create the most fun environment ever. So that way, when Sienna comes in, she'll fall right back in love with him. Which, by the way, the fact that you're having to do this whole circle of teen comedy kind of moment here shows that this relationship is not. It's not functioning.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, she said she only dated you because her grandma likes your show, okay? So if you can't even entice her with a full camera crew, you're screwed, man. You're screwed. Just give it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Austin is like, well, I just think that Shep is being, like, very dejected if he doesn't hear a lot. He'll be very dejected if he doesn't hear. Like, I want to be with you. You know? Know the whole thing with him and Sienna is, like, so weird to me. Like, for someone who's as smart as he is, like, for someone who can triangulate the way he can. Like, he could be, like, a bit thick to what somebody's trying to tell him. Like, it should be pretty cut and dry at this point in time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Okay, so then we go to. I don't know. There's a lot of little stuff here. People on vacation doing their stuff, talking about hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Shep is getting ready. Shep is. They're. They're primping Shep. Cuz Shep is now starting to, like, spiral. He's like. He's like, gosh, should I wear a hat? Should I not wear a hat? They're like, okay, don't wear a hat. Put some product in your hair.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, gosh, but I've got product in my hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I want it to look messy. But I want to look messy with product. Oh, gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Huh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can someone put on Vietnam War? I just need to calm down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. And his. His nice outfit for Sienna is like a sweaty golf shirt, but like intentionally finger combed hair.

[Ronnie Karam]

But he's like, like, but I want to look bad so that way she could dress me up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jeez. Okay, so then we cut to horror music. It's like. And we see Sienna walking down the hallway with a bell. A bellhop cart full of stuff. And she's just smiling like everything's just fine. Walking very slowly, you know. I guess she's amused by the camera crew following her or whatever. But there's horror. It's like, don't, don't. She's just smiling, looking lovely, you know. And then she comes in and it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, this poor girl has. I mean, like, I'm mortified for her to watch this back. To see the amount of like, consternation and drama happening behind that door in anticipation of her arriving.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so silly. Gifts and the. The audience is so easy, so easily manipulated. I have to say, like reading the comments and everybody like, oh, my God. This girl's just using Chef. For what? She's not using Shep. What has she gotten out of it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Shep's using her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Give me a break. Shep's trying to use her. I'm not buying that. This girl hasn't done anything wrong. So then she comes in and she kind of hugs Shep, which is like, ouch. You know, she doesn't kiss him or whatever. And she's just looking kind of uncomfortable because he's clearly really nervous, you know, and she's like, what's going on? You know, because he's acting like his long lost wife just came in. And Jeff's like, oh, everyone's so happy. We're just so happy to have you. Are we guys? Are we?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Hey, Sienna, let's make some small talk. How many generations have you guys been here? She's like 12, because. Oh, really? That's awesome. I'm like, I feel like there's more to that story and it might not be as awesome as he's like, yeah, that's pretty awesome. I'm like, that might not be my response, but Craig is like, I've never felt someone's aura like this in my entire life. Cave. And we.

[Ben Mandelker]

Craig, this girl, this. Okay, this girl looks like the biggest fart in the world just came out. She's looking like, what is that smell? She's clearly freaked out by whatever's going on in here. And Craig's like, I can read auras. Craig, you cannot read auras. You don't even know that the woman you're with doesn't want to be with you. Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I meant that I read Rita Ora's biography. It was really good.

[Ben Mandelker]

You didn't do that either.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't. I don't even know who she is.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I feel like I can sense people's energies right away. And I know any hope that I had that Sienna was genuine with her feelings with Shop disappeared as soon as she walked in the room. She is genuine with her feelings. And her feelings are discussed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So are you joining us for dinner? She's like, yes, I would love to join my good friend Shep for dinner. My friend. My friend Shep. Gosh, I think I still have a chance. So Craig is like, oh, good. So then they get out of there, basically, and now it's just Shep and Sienna. And he's like, gosh, oh, God. By the way, I just want you to know I'm not dressing like this. I need your consultancy.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, okay. He's like, come on. Come upstairs. Okay. Help me pick some clothes. I've got them. And it's like some. A leopard on a white shirt with matching white shorts. And she's like, did someone fart? He's like, okay, okay, I'll try this one. I'll try this one. What about this one? Silver leopard print on sequined short shorts. She's like, no, I guess that kind of Tommy Bahama thing is the least offensive. And he's like, okay, well, I'll change. And she goes, okay, yeah, I'll be downstairs. And he's like, what? It's not like you've never watched me change. You've watched me change, both figuratively and literally. And she goes, yeah, mostly figuratively. And she just leaves and closes the door.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's just. It's just so awkward. Yeah, I'm just like, no, don't go. I want you to watch me change.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was so good. It was so good. And not because it's watching Shep get his feelings hurt, because I don't believe that Shep has any feelings in this in the first place. It's because it's Shep clearly trying to manipulate and show that he's still got all this prowess by getting this girl who he doesn't even know, but all he knows is that she's a beauty queen. And she's gonna make him. She's gonna give him his good guy storyline for the next two years before he, you know, with her. And she's not giving in. She's the. She's one of the first people we've seen on this show with enough strength to be like, off. Like, I don't need your show. I miss Bahamas.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. So that was it. That was a hilarious episode. It was so cringy. Everyone, have a great weekend. We'll be back next week with all our southern hospitality and traders and Potomac, all that good stuff. And don't forget, today is your last day to watch the crappies on kids. We so go to watch crappins.com. and we'll see you on the road also in a few weeks. Thanks, everyone. Catch you on the next one. Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King Our.

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