#2731 RHOP S9E18 Reunion Part 1: Dame Danger

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens #2731 – RHOP S9E18 Reunion Part 1: Dame Danger

Release Date: February 17, 2025

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Introduction

In episode #2731 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive into the highly anticipated reunion of The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 9, Episode 18, titled "Dame Danger." This episode marked a significant moment for the RHOP cast, especially with the absence of Karen McCarranston, whose recent troubles have cast a shadow over the reunion.

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Karen’s Absence and DUI Scandal

One of the most talked-about aspects of this reunion was Karen McCarranston’s absence. Karen had recently been found guilty of DUI and six other charges, leading her to check into a private recovery center just before the reunion.

Ben Mandelker highlights the situation:

"We see on screen December 20, 2024... Karen is in trouble." [07:06]

Ronnie Karam adds her perspective:

"I mean, we could have passed from me." [17:38]

The hosts discuss Karen’s attempt to manage her public image despite her legal woes, noting her use of personal apologies and symbolic gestures, such as wearing a fur cap—a nod to her past antics on the show.

Ben Mandelker mocks Karen’s attempts:

"I’m not a wig cap. I’m a fur cap... It was a cap of sadness." [07:06]

Karen’s demeanor during her pre-reunion apology video was critiqued for lacking genuine accountability, instead deflecting responsibility by citing antidepressants and alcohol as factors in her DUI.

Ronnie Karam observes:

"She’s taking responsibility while she’s not really taking responsibility for anything, which is a very Karen answer." [08:41]

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Cast Members' Reactions and Interactions

The reunion episode was rife with tension as cast members addressed Karen’s absence and her actions leading up to it. Wendy, Giselle, Stacy, and Mia were central to the discussions, each bringing their own grievances and defenses into the spotlight.

Ben Mandelker comments on Wendy’s approach:

"I just want her to get help." [21:02]

Ronnie Karam humorously criticizes the dynamics:

"We love the way she goes from like melodrama, but that she's like melodrama." [25:31]

Stacy and Jassy emerged as focal points in confronting Mia about her perceived lack of support and honesty, leading to heated exchanges that the hosts found both entertaining and indicative of deeper issues within the group.

Ben Mandelker on Stacy’s confrontational style:

"She just keeps Repeating, you are a liar. You are a liar." [74:43]

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Key Moments and Highlights

Several pivotal moments stood out during the reunion:

1. Karen’s Apology and Presence: Despite being in rehab, Karen’s presence was felt through her pre-recorded apology video, which the hosts dissected for its lack of sincerity and accountability.

2. Stacy and Jassy’s Confrontation with Mia: The tension between these cast members reached a boiling point as accusations flew regarding Mia’s reliability and honesty.

   Ronnie Karam highlights:

   "She just keeps Repeating, you are a liar. You are a liar." [74:43]

3. Wendy’s Defensiveness: Wendy defended herself against criticisms, revealing the strained relationships and underlying conflicts within the group.

   Ben Mandelker remarks:

   "But does anybody here think that this is a valid criticism of Wendy?" [35:21]

4. Giselle’s Petty Remarks: Giselle took jabs at other cast members, maintaining her role as a central figure of contention.

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Hosts' Insights and Opinions

Ben and Ronnie provided their unique takes throughout the episode, blending humor with sharp critiques of the cast dynamics.

Ben Mandelker often lampooned the cast’s antics:

"I'm addicted to anything, it's driving." [11:23]

Ronnie Karam offered witty observations:

"I love my girl scout cookies... How do you stop eating those?" [13:48]

The hosts expressed amusement over the unpredictable nature of the reunion, particularly enjoying the confrontational moments and the unraveling of cast members’ alliances.

Ronnie Karam shares her enjoyment:

"When I tell you I was cracking up during this entire hour, everything was so funny." [83:53]

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Conclusion

The first part of the RHOP Season 9 Reunion proved to be a rollercoaster of emotions, unmasking the raw tensions and unresolved conflicts among the cast. Karen’s absence due to her legal troubles set the stage for a dramatic confrontation among the remaining housewives, highlighting the fragility of their alliances and the enduring presence of past grievances.

Ben and Ronnie’s entertaining and incisive commentary provided listeners with both laughs and thoughtful analysis, making the episode a must-listen for fans eager to understand the intricate dynamics of The Real Housewives of Potomac.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker:
  "We see on screen December 20, 2024... Karen is in trouble." [07:06]
  "She’s taking responsibility while she’s not really taking responsibility for anything, which is a very Karen answer." [08:41]

• Ronnie Karam:
  "Oh, I have downloaded the wrong notes... All is right. Order has been restored into the Potomac recapping universe." [06:12]
  "I did not coin the term Grandin. The lady to the left of me did." [36:45]
  "I was cracking up during this entire hour, everything was so funny." [83:53]

• Andy Cohen:
  "I liked Stacy even more after this reunion." [25:31]
  "This is all italicizing the saints and..."

(Note: Some quotes have been paraphrased for clarity and relevance.)

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This summary is based on the transcript provided and aims to encapsulate the essence of the discussed reunion episode. For a more comprehensive understanding, listening to the full episode is recommended.

Transcript

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. That's Ben. I'm Ronnie. Or Rondell, whichever you prefer. Use whichever. Welcome. It's Monday, February 17th. Today is the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion part one, so we'll get into that in a second. Thanks so much for everybody who has been supporting our live tour, the Mounting Hysteria Tour. We've been having a great time with that. You can catch us in March. Are you ready? Get your pins out. We're gonna be in Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Toronto, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington D.C. and Philadelphia. That is all in March. Go for more cities, ticket links, and all that good stuff. Over to watch what crappens.com also on our Patreon are Traders recaps as well as videos of all of our recaps, including this one. Hi. So if you want those, go over to patreon.com and thanks for the support, guys. Love doing this every day. It's like such a great way to live life. For sure. So how are you feeling? How are you feeling about Potomi and all that good stuff?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh my goodness. I loved this first episode of the reunion. I thought it was hilarious. Oh my goodness. I felt great. How did you feel?

[Ben Mandelker]

I did too. I thought it was better than the season. This is a good one for unions, even without Karen. You know, the Karen didn't show up to the reunion as we'll get into, but they still made it all about Karen and it was just as fun as if she was there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. No, Karen, she's never not there. Even when she's not there, like, her presence is felt. And thank goodness Ashley had the foresight to go to Target and get a cheapo frame and put Karen's picture in it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And you know, that picture shame, that picture frame shame is very on brand for Karen talk, because Karen started out her career on Real Housewives by shaming Giselle with a picture frame filled with rules of etiquette that Gisele shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's right.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so all these years later, season nine, Karen is in rehab, and she is now framed at the reunion. So it's kind of a burn, but it's a fun burn, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was trying to think of a fun burn. I was gonna say it's a fun burn. Like, I don't know, syphilis. A fun burn. I'm assuming that's not, but I feel like I couldn't think of one.

[Ronnie Karam]

A jalapeno pepper added into your salsa. It's a little fun burn. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Fun burns. So what you said is going on over there. What's wrong with you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I had downloaded the wrong notes. I had downloaded the notes for a fully different episode. So I was just gonna be like, vamp. Vamp. Vampire. But all is. All is right. Order has been restored into the Potomac recapping universe.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, we see on screen December 20, 2024, 12 hours after Karen was found guilty of DUI and six other charges, including wigs that don't fit and having sex with chauffeurs with blue eyes. So we have a very serious video because Karen is in trouble. And, you know, this is America, and when you're in trouble, what you do is you put on a wig cap. I'm not a wig cap. A fur cap and mom jeans so that people understand that you're very downtrodden. Okay, this is a very downtrodden fur cap. It was a cap of sadness.

[Ronnie Karam]

You strip yourself down to your raw. Your most raw state so you can get that Charlize Theron Oscar. And here's Karen in her monster look.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was kind of hoping someone would come in. You know, some, like, PETA person would come in and spray paint her wig just to make it even worse. Because I was watching that video over the weekend of Rihanna trying to get into a car, and one of the PETA people is there, and he's like, you. How could you wear fur? You're a terrible human being. A billionaire who still wears fur. Fuck you, Rihanna. One of the paparazzi guys is like, shut up. She looks good in that animal. She looks amazing in that animal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think. I think America's back in its fur era right now, whether they like it or not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Geez.

[Ronnie Karam]

A lot of things. A lot of things have gone back. So, yeah, Karen. Well, we'll have to call Joanna Krupa to see what she has to say about this, because if I remember correctly, she was a very active member on Real Housewives of Miami. So Karen is now in her guilt and forlorn state. And so producer is like, well, their verdict was read. What was your initial reaction? And she goes, well, my heart dropped. We see a. And then we see a bunch of Karen headlines of me in the car. And she goes, this is very frightening, but I accept full responsibility for everything that went on with my car in that accident. And by full responsibility, I mean I happen to just have antidepressants and alcohol. I was not drunk driving. It was just poor, poor prescription planning. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And we start, you know, she says she's. She's taking responsibility while she's not really taking responsibility for anything, which is a very Karen answer. And we see flashbacks to the DUI video, which, by the way, if you haven't watched it, a preview does not do it justice. Go watch it. No. Okay. And so Ray is there, and he's like, well, I had a couple of beers or something like that, right? She goes, yes, that's all I had. Listen to Ray. Now what you will not do is tell me what I can and cannot do. And then the producer's like, so it's only a month till sentencing. How do you feel? And then we see another flashback to Karen in the car, handcuffed, and she's sitting in the front seat, which I don't think that's allowed, but, you know, she's a grandam. So she's in the front seat and she's like, do you know who I am? It's never gonna touch me. This is like the Ray of crimes. It's never gonna touch me. So they call me the Grand. No, I don't know what the fuck that's about. Andy Cohen gave it to me. Andy Cohen. And, girl, you're talking to a presumably straight butch police officer. You don't watch your show. You got to know your crowd. You know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He doesn't know who Andy Cohen is. And the name drop does not work.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so we come back to her video, and she's like, well, I don't care about me right now. I care about my. My sweet, sweet children. I care about my family. They also hurt. I'm like, well, maybe you should cared about them before you got into the car. Maybe you should have cared about other people's family and children that you could have killed when you got in that car.

[Ben Mandelker]

Karen. I've already got one daughter with Ray Face. And now this. Now this. And then she goes, well, I should have probably taken a cab. And the police officer is like, yeah, now listen, for someone who apparently, as we hear in the reunion, drives drunk as much as Karen does, you would think that someone would have told her, don't talk when you're pulled over. Admit nothing and don't speak. Don't take a breath. Don't do anything. Just play possum. Yeah, don't wear one on your head when you're doing a fake apology.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you know what? Trying to talk to drunk people, all the rules go out the window. Much like Karen could have. So she's like, yes, I probably should have taken a cab. And the producer says, do you think that maybe you have an issue with alcohol? No, I am not an alcoholic. Let's be clear. Let me be very clear about something. I take full responsibility. I'm not an alcoholic. I didn't even have anything to drink that night. I was just tired and I saw a bird the other day and made me sad, so I got distracted. It happens, you know. Full responsibility.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I'm addicted to anything, it's driving. We should do something about cars being so addictive. It's a very comfortable car. I would rather sit nowhere else while I'm drinking. For funsies and not addiction.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why do we have a right side and a wrong side of the road? Why can't we have all the sides be right? I just want to share my love with both sides of the road. And is that so wrong?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then they get to the police station and the cop's like, would you like me to help you out? No, no, don't tell me I can do it. No, I can't do it. I am lit. I am lit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Things you don't want to say for trying to tell everyone that you're not drunk driving.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is just. I mean, they might have started out with one criminal offense and you just see him like ticking more criminal offenses every second. And she goes, now I know that a lot of little children look up to me. Girl, you are still drunk. There are no little children looking up to you. Now stop that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Go to the streets of Mumbai and meet the orphans there. And they all say, when will Karen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come and meet us in the streets? On the police scanners of Potomac, We've been called to another school. There are too many kindergartners and shifty wigs. We're. We're having a crackdown.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm just waiting to see, like, the armies of children raiding the. The jail like it was January 6th. Be like, not auntie Karen.

[Ben Mandelker]

She has her own happy meal. She has her own happy meal. They just sell little, little toys like her props in the show, you know, Little witches.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello. This year for the girl scouts, we've changed our mission. All proceeds will go towards clearing Karen's name. She means so much to us.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll take six boxes of the I am lit. Thanks. So damn those girl scouts, by the way. Those little fucking drug dealers. You know, I'm so sick of these girl scouts. I have a friend with a Brownie. I guess she's a brownie. I shouldn't call her girl scout because, you know, like, I should be harassing the brownies. They're. They're who really deserves my ire today. This little fucking drug dealer is like, Mr. Ronnie, will you support my Brownie? Creeping. Buy some cookies? Like, sure. Send me 10 boxes of cookies. I've eaten 10 boxes of cookies. How do you stop eating those? I hate those little girls. I'm. I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm on to you. I'm on to you, you little witches. All right, we're concentrating on alcoholism on this show. But I'm watching you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I. I'm. I. I guess I'm fortunate that all my girl scout cookie connects have gone away, so. I am not. I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're afraid of your house. A girl scout walks up to your house, you're like, get a job. What are you doing here, child? Get out.

[Ronnie Karam]

If they come with cookies, it's a whole. There's a whole different story going on. You know, I famously don't like children, but children who bring me cookies, you know, like, you know how it's like. It's supposed to be like stranger dangers when the adult, like, lures children with the candies and cookies. I get lured when the children lures me with a cookie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Y. Exactly. Who's stranger danger now? Those little fucks. They're the creepy white van driving around the neighborhood, and their mom's driving it. They're like, just find a fat person and throw some cookies at his head and drain his bank account while he sits there and suffers from diabetes.

[Ronnie Karam]

We've unfortunately lost Ben on the podcast. He's been missing from Watcho Crappens for six days. This just in. He has been found in a suburban home. He just borrowed a trail of cookies to the little girl's home, and her mother is feeding him lasagna. It's a very benign abduction.

[Ben Mandelker]

So a lot of children look up to me. Children believe the Karens are their future, treat her well, and let her lead the way. So then we see, three weeks later, January 9, 2025, at 6am the ladies are arriving to the reunion. And now they're walking around seeing if Karen's name is on any doors.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stacy is going around, and she's going up to Ashley and she goes, is Karen here? I don't see her name anywhere. And she doesn't have a dressing room. And then Kieran. There's a lot of footage of Kierna roaming the hallways. Did they tell Kieran where she's supposed to go? Because we see her going down this hallway for a very long time. They just keep cutting to her going through hallway. She's like, in a whole other building. She's just in the Empire State Building, just looking, going through cubicles and stuff. They're like, well, I don't think she.

[Ben Mandelker]

Could find her name either. Poor Kierna. They're like, oh, God, Kieran is here. Okay, we got to put Karen on. Get a name for her somewhere. Please, someone print it. You get to Kieran's room. It's just like, drawn in a crayon.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know Greg sitting there in the corner. He's like, you must wear a polo for the reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

The arn is scratched out, and it's just, like, written above it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So when Kieran winds up talking to Wendy, and Kieran says, the last time she spoke to Karen was New Year's Eve. And so they try to call Karen, but it goes right to voicemail. And then Wendy tries and goes to voicemail. So they're like, oh, yeah, we're not going to hear from her. So she's not coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, and then Wendy is very, very offended, because that's Wendy's best look. It's when she's very offended, you know, and she's very offended that Karen won't answer the phone. What are you offended by? You're trying to. You're trying to corner. All of you are trying to corner Karen at her most vulnerable state. And by that I mean sober on camera, calling when she's not at the reunion. Leave the Woman alone or don't leave her alone, really. But don't act all offended when she doesn't answer the phone. She's like, how dare she? I won't hard for her, you know? And if nothing else, at least for the people who soldiered for you and supported you. Answer the phone. Answer the phone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Answer the phone. I know you are home. The thing is, like, I think I have two things. Well, okay, here's the nice thing to say. Yes, we're all happy that Karen has gone to a recovery center. Yes. Yes. Obviously, we always want that for people. That being said, she decided to check in the night before the reunion. So let's not, like, eliminate the fact that this is a. She's using the old get out of jail free card that comes. Except now she's not really getting out of jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she doesn't get that anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, go to jail via card. So she's doing the classic Luann de Lesseps and some seen some other people do this go to happen to check into rehab the night before the reunion. And I'm sure there's definitely, you know, obviously mental health reasons to do that because you probably in a fragile state and the last thing you need is to be hammered from all sides. No pun intended. But then at the same time, like, you did really kind of. She lied a lot this season about drunk driving and she needed. I honestly think she should have had her feet held to the fire a little bit before going into rehab. And then at rehab, she can then start the process of healing. But this was very convenient on her part. And I feel bad for these women. This was like the biggest doorway with the biggest pizza that didn't get to be delivered.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they delivered it anyway. They don't care. They really don't care. They're like, let's just pick her. You know, they're like, just put a doll of Karen on the ground and we'll just kick that. Just kick that the whole time. So they all come. They look beautiful. I mean, this is a gorgeous cast. And they're in white, so they're in all different, you know, white pearls and white sequins and all of that. And then, of course, we have to ruin it because Ashley's like, my bunions hurt.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And they walk out onto this, onto this reunion stage that it feels like, what is like. It feels like an Andrew Lloyd Webber show or something. Like, they have built out Panama and there's 3D renderings of builds and there's like hats for sale. I mean, it's just so funny because sometimes for reunions, they go for something that's, like, very sleek and cool and chic. And then sometimes, like, some theater queen gets in there and, like, gets to build the set that they've always wanted to build. And this one is just fully in the middle of, like, a Broadway musical.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's like man of La Mancha over there. All the same. Well, that's a jail, so I guess not. But that's the only musical I could think of, the man of La Mancha. Until. To get Windmills. Eh, I've actually been hurt doing that. So. So they come onto this set, and I'm surprised they missed the opportunity to make the set. Wendy's birthday party. I really thought that's what they were gonna do because that was an all white thing too. So I thought they were gonna be like, it's. You're still your birthday, Wendy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I thought they were gonna do, like, Lake Norman or something, you know, like on Beverly Hills and Orange County. Lately, they have been filming on these kind of like. Like panoramic video screens, like the Mandalorian. And it's like, we gotta take it you to the hills of Beverly Hills or, like, to the ocean. And I thought maybe they might do that for Lake Norman. But then you just see a sports car boat going around in circles in the background the entire time and might be a little distracting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. God, who knew that was foreshadowing to Karen's future?

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy's like, oh, my gosh, look at Giselle's nails. Wow. You can never tell me again about my nails. Okay. And Giselle's like, ha, ha ha ha ha. So then. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Real Housewives of Potomac season nine. We're gonna be three parts. Why? No idea. But here we go. I. Cohen, I'm in Panama. And it's safe to say that a lot has changed. And we're going to get into that, but there's an elephant in the room, and that is the absence of Karen McCarranston, everybody. What do you think? The Grand Dom's not with us tonight. Has anybody spoken to Karen? Do they know if Karen has new boobs?

[Ronnie Karam]

And so everyone's like, no, no, we haven't talked because. Okay, well, three weeks ago, as you know, Karen was found guilty of seven out of eight charges related to the single car DUI crash that happened in March of 20. Oh, no. Not a laugh. Okay. Karen is not here today because she has checked herself into a private recovery center. What do you guys think about this? So now they all have to actually not say which. Which is what's really on their mind. Which is like, this is. She is trying to avoid us. They all have to be like, really nice. Like, oh, that's really great. Like, that's so good for Karen. I mean, because it is good for Karen. But, you know, everyone was like, I can't believe that didn't show up today.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Giselle, you know, kind of shockingly gives the nicest answer where she's like, well, it's fantastic. You know, she lives in a land of delusion. And sometimes we think that's funny and cute, duh. But in this case, it's not. I just want her to get help. And Wendy's like, well, it's interesting that she's doing it before his sentencing. What? Duh, Wendy. I like when Wendy feels like she's solved a mystery. She's like, well, pretty interesting that it's just happening white before the reunion, white and white before the sentencing. And so she's like, is she doing it because she needs help or because she feels like it will lighten the blow of the sentence? First of all, no alcoholic wants lighter blow. Second of all, as Andy says, who the fuck wouldn't, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what you do. They all, yeah. Cause yeah, at first they're like, yeah, it's a conspiracy. And then that's when everyone's like, but shouldn't you do this? That's exactly what you should do.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I saw her picking up twash on the side of the fui way. Almost like she's trying to kiss ass. Yeah, that's what you fucking do. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ashley. Ashley, of course, really rises to the moment. And she's like, well, I had a feeling that the grandam wouldn't be here today, so I made sure she would.

[Ben Mandelker]

Be here in white.

[Ronnie Karam]

So here she is and she pulls out her cheap picture frame with Karen there, which is just great. They just have it propped up on the side and they just cut to it at like random times over the course of the hour.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Everybody. Wait a minute. Stacy here. I just want to say give her some grace. Give her some grace. Stacy's overacting is so fucking funny in this whole reunion. I loved it. I love Stacy even more after this reunion.

[Ronnie Karam]

Me too. Like, I love the way she goes from like melodrama, but that she's like melodrama. But then when you come for her, she really stiffens up really quickly. And she's very funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

She does. And she's just her whole like most offended person out of all of the people who have ever lived. It's my favorite version of her. I think it's so funny. So he's like, well, how. Oh, sorry, man.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was just gonna say I feel, like, mellow. Like a melodramatic housewife. Like a purely melodramatic housewife. That's, like, a special thing. And we actually don't get it as much as we think. Like, people may act melodramatic, but there are some that just are melodramatic. And Stacy is definitely in that camp. So, like, she has won me over three times over.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and you rhymed.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did. With my own word. She won me over three times over. Guys, you're welcome.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy jokes that she wouldn't be happy about getting second position. And then Ashley's like, no, she doesn't get first position. It's my picture. It's my picture. So she takes it back. So now not only Karen. Not only does Karen get to not show up today, she gets to make her own video, which is such bullshit. I don't think she should have been allowed to do this, even though I thought it was one of the best. I thought it was comedically perfect, but it shouldn't have been allowed. I would have been like, no, objection.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was so Karen. So first of all, this truly was the Charlize Theron Monster trajectory. Because if the December video was Karen filming Monster, the pre reunion video was her accepting her Academy Award for the feature film Monster. Because now she's glammed up again, looking gorgeous, actually. I mean, she's. She may never have looked any better. Like, tell this woman she has to go to rehab more because she. This is. This is just. She looks great. So then she gives a literal acceptance speech. She goes, okay, ladies, as you have noticed, I am not there. I am going away to a treatment center to address taking antidepressants and drinking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

To address why you made the choice of doing these two things, I don't think you're still not taking full ownership of what you did, which was drinking and driving.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, Another treatment center to address the fact that laws are unfair against people who wear possums on their head when they're upset. Hopefully we'll get some laws passed. I'm very sure of it. Now, I would like to get to the bottom of it, but since there's no bottle here, I would be remiss if I didn't take this time to thank those who truly touched my heart during this whole process. First, the possum. Who died for that fur. That fur got me a long way, ladies. Second, Giselle. Giselle. Giselle. Hold on, let me adjust my teeth for a moment. The path we've been on together. I was like, oh, my God, she's really going to give a speech. She gave a full three paragraph speech.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she really did. She's like, you know, Giselle, I just really. You know that note that you put in my flowers that said, roses are red, violets are blue. Sorry about rehab. Well, this drink's for you. That was just so kind. I will cherish it always.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love the card that said, one step at a time, one foot in front of the other, not side to side. Stop dancing. This is a dui. You're drunk. Say the Alphabet backwards. Very kind, Very kind. To sel.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. Giselle's just like to the kind officer who arrested me for taking antidepressants while drinking. I just have to say to you, your autograph is on the way, so you just keep an eye out for that one. You're welcome in advance.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm also taking a stance against cops flirting with me every time they pull me over. This time, I was put in the most sexy handcuffs I've ever seen. You're not getting a piece of this, all right? You are not getting a piece of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

To the little deer that was so afraid of my car for no good reason, I'll just say I am going to get out of this place and I shall drive again. So next time, you better stay off that median because I'm coming for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

To quote my good friend Rihanna, where are you? Where are you now? Where are you? Where are you now?

[Ronnie Karam]

I found antidepressants and alcohol in a lonely place. So she.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks to Kay. I would like to give this to Kay. Kay, nobody remembers your name, but I do, and it's K. Let's just stick with K. Can we. Can we roll that back? Do we have editing on this video?

[Ronnie Karam]

Ray, Jassie, Jesse, you sent me special notes that really touched my heart and to my car's chassis. I'm sorry for the median situation. We'll get you fixed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now, I know she's no longer with us on the show, but Candace reached out to me, and she's been a soldier. She's been a soldier for me. So, Candace, thank you. Thank you for being a soldier, Candace. Now, wait a minute. There's a special person on my list, and Wendy's just sitting there like, really, bitch? Like, it better be me. I would like to thank the Hamburglar. You know, I was stopping at a McDonald's. I was about to eat a hamburger, and A little hamburglar came and stole it away from me. Thank you for that. That's the reason I look so good today, to accept this award.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was gonna do a McDonald's reference, too. We've been doing this for too many years together. Anyway, to the early bird. The early bird does get the worm. And I note the early bird don't have the worm with antidepressants. Could land you in rehab.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my gosh. So she ends it with, oh, and Andy, of course. Andy. Andy is the person who's special on my list. Andy, your note meant the world to me. I opened it. It was just some applesauce on a. On a page, and I just. Kind of like a raw shack. I had to really stare at it, but I found the love. He's like, oh, I didn't even mean to send her a card. I think I showed. And my son just splattered apple juice on something. But I'm glad she got it. Glad she got it. All right, Andy, I'm not done with my speech. Now I will be back, and you and Giselle can fight over who called me the grandam first. But I will be coming back as Karen Hugo, because Karen is enough. Today I drop the mask of the grandam. I'm just Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just the good, formal grandam. Someone going to rehab. I am Karen, you girl. Karen is enough.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just Karen. So then Wendy's, you know, making eyes and stuff. So Andy's like, wow, Giselle's crying. And Giselle's like, well, okay, I'm not a good crier. So he just wants to watch her cry so he won't move on. So she gives a speech about how Karen's such a good person, and she. She's really a good person when she's not on the show. Cause on the show, she's like this character, and she's full of shit. And then finally, Andy lets her go, and Wendy's still rolling her eyes. He's like, wendy, you seem unmoved. And she goes, did I? And he's like, yeah. And she goes. And Mia's like, well, I think that it's really interesting that she didn't thank Wendy, because they're so close.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I think it would be selfish for me to frame it in that way, because this isn't about me, and this is about her. Okay, everyone here that I did acknowledge that this is. Yeah, this is Karen's moment. Okay, so now we'll go in on her. Thank you very much, everyone. I have reached out to her And I supported her through the season. And, you know, I feel something. And I'm not trying to complete the two because I also feel something about what she told Stacy about me that I saw play out throughout the season. So I feel like having seen that couple with this, it adds up to. That's not my friend. That's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is one of the first times on a reunion that we have seen the victim cloak. Denied. Wendy has denied the victim cloak. Sorry. So they're like, wow, I can't believe her. Wow. Wendy. And Giselle's like, whatever. Wendy, you always knew that she wasn't your friend. And Mia's like, well, I don't know why, because you. I know why. Because you've been supporting her and you've been riding for her horror. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly. That's not my friend. So then we see flashbacks to all the times that Wendy defended Karen. And so again, it's sort of surprising to me because it always seemed like Karen never really liked Wendy. So Ashley's like, by the way, not to like, add insult injury, but in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Case you forgot, you did take her.

[Ronnie Karam]

To the White House. Don't forget you took her to the White House. She's like, yes, I. That is. That is in the folder. Yes, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

People are always so excited to go to the White House. That's the place that steals your money every year. The fuck are you so excited about that place for? What do they do?

[Ronnie Karam]

So listen, we watch House Hunters. Doesn't mean we want to go into any of those houses, but, you know, sometimes you just want to take a look.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy is asked, like, why she never acknowledges that Karen doesn't really like her. Because it's an alliance for the show. I mean, we all know that, right? They're just, Karen needs Wendy and Wendy needs Karen and that's it. They're not friends outside of the show. Wendy doesn't call Karen when she gets her drunk driving or whatever, you know, at least it doesn't seem like it from this, because when everybody else is like, I've spoken to Karen. I spoke to her at Christmas. I spoke to her at New Year's. You never hear that from Wendy, but I think that that counts. An alliance counts, you know, And I don't blame Wendy for being annoyed. And also, I don't really blame her for keeping her foot on Karen's neck during this whole reunion. Just because. I mean, just because Karen didn't show up doesn't mean that they can't still hold her accountable. So. So you know, in fact, you could have passed from me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You have to take that privilege of being able to totally go after someone and they can't defend themselves. So, like, you know, there is. Yes, Karen does not have to face the fire, but at the same time, she also. They get free reign to say whatever they want about her, which, you know, I tend to believe in this case. So Wendy is basically like, it's not that I never want to acknowledge that she has issues with me. It's just I take people for what they show me, and she's not shown me that. And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also I want to say that last year, when my mother was being wagged through the mud, Karen was the one of the only people who stuck up for my mother. And. But that's also because Karen, you know, Karen's sticking up for, I think, the older person, and she's also going to stick up for the mom because she can be like, you never come for mothers. Like, you've come for me when my mother. You know, all that. So Andy's like, okay, well, that's fair. Well, one interesting thing about that video was when she said she's going to come back as Karen and not the grandam. Now, is Kare the one who wore the possum on her head, or is that the grandam? I don't want that one back. Tell that one not to come back.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I would like to point out that, for the record, my eyes almost fell out of my face when my name came up in footage. And really, just anytime I'm on the stage, my eyes are almost always falling out of my face. Well, just want to point out that I did not coin the term Grandin. The lady the left of me did. And just like that was me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Didn't think he was gonna say, my eyes almost fell out of my face because I never sent her a card. I could have sworn he was gonna say, like, I never sent her anything. What is she thanking me for?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Giselle. We see footage of Giselle saying, grandam. And so Andy says, well, the body cam footage from the night of the accident found its way online, and it's really tough to watch Slash. Also kind of funny. Anyway, there were thousands of comments, so people. We have comments from people who are just, like, dismayed with Karen, dismayed that she was actually not owning it in the same way people telling that they've lost family members to drunk drivers, et cetera. A lot of anger, et cetera. So Mia's like, well, I knew, and I've been Trying to tell everybody that she needed help. I'm like, oh, yes, Mia, the harbinger of truth at all times.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia, the moral center of this show. Love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. That's a better way to say it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, well, there's more to discuss on Carrie. And don't worry, we'll be dragging her the entire hour now. She. I brought it. And Mia's like, yeah, you know, I saw him. Because we've been out drinking so many times and she's gotten behind her car, you know, and watching Karen trying to drive drunk while standing behind her car, I mean, that was very sad to watch. Andy. And I just had to say, if you're gonna drive drunk, at least get in the driver's seat. It's just been. It's been a sad time, Andy.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then. Well, there's much more to discuss. But first, Dr. Wendy and her brand new decade embarked on a new career path and got herself a new bestie by the name of Giselle. Let's watch Slithers. So we see clip package of Wendy's season, which is a good clip package because she had a good season.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so did she have a good season? Did she really?

[Ronnie Karam]

She had a good season that we liked her, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She did, but she was good with. I think she interacted pretty well with everybody this season. She was somewhat enjoyable, but I think her storyline stuff was kind of boring. Although I don't even know what I'm talking about because I'm not a huge fan of storyline stuff anyway. I mostly just like the group scenes and them fighting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll take that back and shut the fuck up. How about that?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think that she had a very strong season in terms of just likability and know. All right, well, Wendy, you are lighter and funnier. What do you attribute that to? Specifically? Which producer do you want to thank for telling you you gotta get this together?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I would like to thank my almost pink slip for that one. That was great. And he's like, okay, you were great. And she's like, well, but 40 is just so monumental. It's so monumental that my kids are still giving me cereal with candles in. And, you know, I just wanted to start anew. And quitting my job, that was the weight lifted off me because I was tired of having to conform to antiquated ideas of what professors should be, which I found interesting because that's kind of alluding to the fact that she wanted to get out of there because they didn't approve of her being a Housewife, Right? Is that how you took it?

[Ronnie Karam]

I did. I did. I don't know. It's kind of funny because it's like, yeah, like, we should have, like, we should have open minds about our professors and whatever, Whatever. But also, it's like, I don't think that professorship is like a protected class. Like, if there's certain standards at a university of, like, behavior that, that, like, that, you know, like a university wants of their professors. They don't want, like, their professors necessarily going on TV and squabbling or whatever. I think that's okay. Like, I think that's okay if a. If a job is like, yeah, we don't love this vibe for our students. That being said, I still back Wendy 100%. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's also okay to say, fuck this. I don't, like, like it. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, absolutely. There is. I think she's incredibly smart, and I loved that she was a professor and a housewife.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Giselle's like, well, they. Now they talk about the relationship with Giselle and how it's so much better. And they had a long talk. And Wendy tells us that that was actually a two hour conversation that they had. And Andy's like, wow, that's a lot of freak Alamari, Am I right? Okay, well, it's great that you guys are all open to working with each other, you know, and they compliment each other a lot. And Giselle's like, well, you know, she is majorly articulate. Articulately? Is that even a word?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. Now we know who is the professor and who isn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

But articulately is a word, isn't it? But I think.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think she said she's just using it wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's majorly. Articulately.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she was getting too excited about advertising. So Andy asks about Happy Eddie, and Wendy says that that's booming, which. I don't know. I mean, like, I. I don't really. I haven't smoked weed in forever, and I haven't. I really don't go to dispensaries. Do people actually buy a Happy Eddie, or is this just Wendy, like, full of it? Because I am honestly so sick of Happy Eddie. If I have to hear about Happy Eddie one more time, I'm gonna be sad. Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's, like, caught on nationally. I mean, there's so much weed, but, I mean, I guess they're doing fine. She. She got to quit her job, you know, so that's good. So he asks if Everybody's gotten to try Happy Eddie, and Stacy did, and she's like, I salute your husband's business, and I think you're gonna be so successful. And so Giselle's like, aren't you trying to start your own Happy Eddie? Dun, dun, dun. And I don't know, Stacey seems fishy here.

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you think she does? But also, Wendy seems way too proprietary about, like, something pretty basic. Cause everyone's starting, you know, these kind of companies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tamara did it first. If Tamara doesn't yell at you for doing it, you can't yell at everybody else for doing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess I don't even think Camera did it first. I feel like someone else did it even before Tamara.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, housewife. I mean, the chick from Shaza Sunset started her woosa thing, but I think before that there, I don't think there was another housewives weed, was there?

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass. It's a Monday. That's what happens sometimes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't think you can be proprietary, but in your. In your own cast and now. And her thing isn't that you can't start one. Her thing is like, But I hope you're not doing that without talking to me, because, you know, that's the. That's the rule. You have to get permission from whoever came out with the first wick. And then we see the clip of Karen being like, well, she can enjoy her three wick, and I can enjoy my nine wick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Ashley's like, is it called Spacey Stacy? And she's like, absolutely not. I have not done anything of the sort. No, no. Although knowing Stacy, she'd probably be releasing some sort of, like, edible potpourri. It's like, it's not weed. It's potpourri. And now it's a chewable enjoy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Giselle's like, so you didn't have a meeting with someone and tell him that you're a celebrity? And she's like, absolutely not. It's like, because he asked you, why on earth do I need to work with you? And you were like, because I'm a celebrity. Yeah. And she's like, absolutely not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Absolutely.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. I just can't just stop repeating yourself, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a bad liar. Well, when she comes out with Happy Stacy next season, don't be surprised. Ah. And Ashley again goes Spacey Stacy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm trying to give you some branding advice. I would never do such a thing ever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Long from Johns in Salt Lake City says it was great seeing you prioritize life and take a leap to leave your professor job. Do you really think it's fair to stipulate that your children don't get inheritance unless they get a master's degree? No, I don't think it's unfair to stipulate shit to your children. They don't get shit unless I say they get shit. Okay? And these are my rules for you to get shit. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Wendy, Wendy explains it. I thought this was hilarious for a specific reason, because she goes, okay, so we have a trust for our children and there's different stipulations. So, so whether or not they're going to get money. But if they get a master's, they get X amount of extra dollars. If they learn to speak Igbo, which is our native tongue, they get X amount more. If they get a Toyota Celica, they lose money. If they get a Mercedes, they gain money.

[Ben Mandelker]

If they come out with anything over three weeks, they're done, they're done. No money.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then everyone's like, oh my God, this is a great idea. Wow, wow. And they're all like, yeah, this is great. This is what we should do. And I think it's so funny because, like, I feel like there's a sentiment that if kids do do what you want and if a parent pays them a certain amount of money, like here, you get 200 for doing this. It's considered like bribing your children. And it's kind of like lazy parenting. But like when you frame it as. No, there's a trust and they'll get money and they'll just get more money if there's bonuses. Like you present it like it's a formal process and just the mere fact that it's a trust is like, shows a certain amount of intentionality that people are like, oh, this is a totally different thing. I'm like, it's basically the same thing, but it just sounds so much more intelligent. So everyone's like, yeah, this is a great idea.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's also interesting because it's a different way of framing. I'm controlling my children's life. Which is kind of Wendy's thing against her mother is that her mother controls too much and she wants too much from her. And then Wendy not only has the, you're going to get a master's degree, she has like a five page list of shit they have to do for, for the rest of their lives to get this money. You know, I mean, Some of the stuff she's talking about is not easy stuff. It's like, learn a new language. Join the sorority.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, join the sorority. I mean, this is like Glengarry Glen Ross. It's like you have to sell like they're gonna get a watch at some point in their lives that they hit a certain benchmark.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so when you tell the parent who's doing it, you're like, oh my God. Way to incentivize your children. But in 20 years when those kids are on a housewives show, they're gonna be like, my mother controls my life. They're gonna be like, that was which. That witch.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're all gonna be dead. There will be no White House or no us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then Andy's, well, you invited Karen to the White House. Do you have any regrets about that? Yes, I wish I did. It's like really? Well, mainly because she crashed her car into the front gates. It was really embarrassing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she tried to give a blowjob to the President just because she heard someone else did it. She's really such a copycat. Karen's still trying to compete with 30 year old news.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, listen, when Bill Clinton said it depends on what the definition of is is, that is actually the blueprint for Karen Hughes. I mean, that is a Karen Huger line if I ever heard it. Yeah, I did not have sex with that woman. That is a carrot. Bill Clinton was actually the original Karen Huger, if you really think about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I remember when he wore that fur cap to apologize to the nation.

[Ronnie Karam]

He wore mom jeans. So what was your reaction, by the way, when you revealed. What was that. What was your reaction when you heard that Karen was talking shit about you, Wendy, Stacy, before the season began, she's like, whoa, why?

[Ben Mandelker]

What reason does Stacy have to lie? That'll, you know, that's gonna cause more friction with her in the group. So, yeah, I believe what Stacy said. And Karen is like, yeah, but the only thing is that I didn't think that it was kind that you actually waited until you and Karen's relationship was kind of going south to bring that to Wendy. Why not? You don't. If you're friends with someone, you hold their secrets. If your friend betrays you, you spill their secrets. That's what friendship is. Especially on housewives.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. How do you keep your. How do you keep your alliances straight? If you. If you like, shoot your wad too early, you've got to keep that collateral.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, let's stop going back to the Clinton years.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

You gotta. Sometimes you gotta take someone to the cleaners.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, geez. To address or you got to save it in the closet. Just wait till the right time explodes just a little crinklier.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then this is a real trip with two peas. Get it?

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Stacy's like, well, I tried to keep her secrets, but then months later, she didn't stand by me. So. And she's like, I chose that time to tell the truth. And Wendy's like, and funny enough, when. When Stacy was joining the group, I haven't told she you this, but Karen told me, be careful of the woman that's coming into this group because she's very smart and she's very educated. Oh, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is she goes, oh, Stacey's like, giselle decided to come for Stacy this episode, and we saw every episode.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's been coming for the whole season for no reason. And it's wonderful, but it's like, a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little bit more pointed today, and I think Stacy was not expecting it. And Giselle goes, is Stacy smart and educated? Duh. You don't think she seems educated? And she goes, I do have a degree, and I'm very smart and educated and compassionate and also a wonderful person throwing in some bonus accolades.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I just this comment. I don't. What's so bad about Karen saying this woman that's coming into the group is really smart and educated? Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess you're trying to say, like, be careful with her because she's going to be crafty because she's smart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Smart, but she's talking to the smart person. So it sounds like she's telling Wendy, watch out, another smart person's coming onto the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's gonna try to activate Wendy. She wants Wendy to be. Because Wendy, like, that's her. That's her slot. Is she's the smart one. So if there's another smart one, then she's gonna be like, wait a second. And like, maybe go after her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she's like, well, I have no idea why Karen wouldn't want two like minded, wonderful, smart, educated people to be together. Her and Jo goes, yeah, I don't think it had anything to do with that. I mean, come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Look at you. Let me say this. You did point out that you feel that Karen's M.O. is that she takes the new girl and then she tells them what she wants them to know about everybody. And we see flashbacks of her doing this with Ashley, etc and Andy. Andy, because one of them says she grooms them. I think. I think Giselle said she. She calls her a groom, which is a really intense phrase for this. So Andy. So then Stacy goes, okay, well, so you guys know what I'm saying is true. So Giselle, you know that this meeting took place at the Tally Ho, right? And she goes, absolutely. Yeah. We see a photo from the Tally Ho, which is where all the grooming goes down in Potomac.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kieran didn't get to go to the Tally Ho, but she did get befriended, which is dun, dun, dun. If it's like, oh, no. So look, I don't. I don't know about some of this. I guess Karen has been caught doing this, but I don't see the problem. Listen, if there's a new person, you go directly to that new person, you go to lunch and you tell them the shit you think about every. I mean, who else who doesn't do that? This is just normal human interaction. I mean, Karen's not here to stand up for herself. But let me just say, as an elder person, I go up to the younger people and I talk shit to the people I. I don't like first before they can talk it about me. That's just how you do it. Okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's self preservation, but it always backfires. Okay. You know, in Jurassic park, the first Big Bad was the Tyrannosaurus, but it was really the Velociraptors in the second half that you like that were the ones that you really remember, right? So, like, it's like going to a used car dealership, you know, or just a car dealership. You go in for your Subaru, a guy comes out or a gal, and you go and you give it a test drive and they talk it up. And then you finally go to. You're like, oh, this is great. I'm gonna get. Get it. And then there comes in, comes the closer, and you wind up spending like two hours with a closer. And the first one you always forget. So Karen kind of has like first closers all.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love muffins. I love cupcakes. You're like, so why is Kyra Sedgwick trying to convince me that she likes to eat carbs?

[Ronnie Karam]

She just can close anything. It's amazing. But the point is this. Whoever you deal with first is not who you're going to deal with last. So Karen rushing in to, like, to. To. To get, like a newbie on their side, it always backfires because inevitably they wind up talking to the other people and then they realize that Karen's been poisoning them. And so then they turn on Karen every single time this happens.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's the well that backfires, because Karen doesn't have any loyalties. You know, she talks everybody. And that's what keeps getting Karen in trouble, is that she keeps saying she's somebody's friend and then she's talking shit about them for no reason. So, oh, Karen, I tried to stick up for you, but it's already been demolished. Goodbye. So everyone's like, so Andy says, so everybody's talking about the self absorption. But does anybody here think that this is a valid criticism of Wendy? Is she self absorbed and is she not a girl's girl? And Giselle goes, well, yes, she's self absorbed. Have you been watching this show? But you know who isn't? We're housewives lives, basically.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Because they. Basically. Because when. Because Karen, it is the whole thing of, like, well, I see Karen a different way. Because when everything went down, she came to the hospital with me, yada, yada, yada. And they're all like, okay, Kieran, we've heard enough of that. It's time for us to break the news to you that Karen loves being a mother goose. And once she can no longer daughter you anymore, then she becomes a monster. So get with the program. So Wendy's like, let me tell you something. It takes a strong woman to be friends with me because I'm very sure of myself. I walk in a room like, God sent me there because God did. Does that make sense? Okay, sure. Why not? I'm gonna leave it there because God told me to leave it there. And let me be the last person to wish you a happy birthday from God. We are going to be right back after this.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the MIA's like, well, we've had other birthdays, Andy. It's been my birthday. And as she's like, oh, yeah, I heard there was some drama at your birthday. And Wendy's like, there was. We're gonna bring it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Amia's like, okay, well, I know you're mad, but, like, honey, you're a snatch. And Wendy's like, she's not talking to you. She's like, thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Jassy comes out and, whoa, Jassy, Jassy. Jazz. Jass. Jassy. I don't know if it's Jassy. Or if it's jazzy, I'm just gonna to pronounce it different ways throughout this reunion and hope to get it right sometimes. And she's like, oh, hi, Andy. Okay, well, you are engaged, so congrats.

[Ronnie Karam]

What season is it? It's definitely a summer wedding. Okay, great. And I'm told you have the invite with you. So Jassy's getting to do all her, like, Real Housewife things that she didn't get to do during the season. So she. She hands over this big red velvet invitation with like a mirrored back on the inside and everything. And they look at it and it's exciting. And Darius is on the Cowboys these days and. And he's like, okay, now that we got that out of the way. So we have a little bit of questioning about the timeline of your relationship. Megan from Poopy Town says, jesse, it appears to me that you were the side chick who made the dude leave his family. Mia, you were a side chick. What's your professional side chick? Oh, my God, the way I laughed at that when. And he just did that like, Mia, as a side chick. What do you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's your professional side chick take? And they all crack up because that shit's hilarious. And so then we see a clip of Jassy trying to describe her timeline with Darius. And she's like, oh, yeah, we've been together a couple of years. He's a great father to two boys that were both already created before me. Are they build a bears. Like, what the fuck? And she's like, well, the children are three and turned one a month ago. And wait, the children are three and turned when a month ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

The children are three. Like one is three and one just turned one a month ago. Even though she and Darius have been together for nine months or something like that, or a year and a half, whatever the timing was. So I don't know how Jassy did not not become a Real Housewife with this crazy ass timeline. Like, this is the sort of thing that they would have harped on all season long. Like, I think that, like, the Kieran slot probably should have been for Jassy. Also, Jassy's husband, or future husband is an NFL player, which is, you know, like Bravo likes things flashy like that instead of, you know, a social worker. No shade to social workers. But like, it's Bravo, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you never know. You never know what was going on this season with the casting. So Jassy's like, well, let's be clear. I was never a sidebar chick. I'm the whole production, baby. It's like, okay, well, there's. There's your. You just. You just gave up your tagline that you didn't get, you know. You know, she's been working on that. When they cut her from the show, she's like, damn it, I'm using this tagline somewhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is so true. Yeah, I love her proclaiming how much she is not a side chick while she is literally clinging to the side of the sofa for her sidekick role on this reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, with all due. You're building your friendship with him while he was with another woman. And she goes, well, I had no idea. I mean, he's never posted the woman on social media. How was I supposed to know he had a girlfriend? Really? Come on. Maybe ask him.

[Ronnie Karam]

At. At worst, you clearly. He clearly was with her and you knew it. And at best, this is the biggest red flag you could ever imagine. Like, if he wasn't telling you about the girl he was sleeping with and had two children with while you were, like, falling in love with him, what's going to happen with you when you're in that position? Position?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares? He's in the NFL. That's all that matters. So she's like, yeah, well, they weren't together when she was pregnant. I mean, even she said that. That was unbeknownst to me. So whatever. She's like, if I'm gonna be a side chick, I'm gonna get me an Andy Cohen. I'll be your side chick, Andy. And he's like, you're not amusing. Still don't know your name. Can I get her name again?

[Ronnie Karam]

Is she some sort of scooter? No, that's a Jazzy or Rascal, whatever it is. So Jassy goes, well, but, you know, sorry, that was my Andy Cohen impersonation. But, you know, it's so frustrating because Monday through Sunday, every day of the week, it never gave side chick. Okay, now you're. Now you're protesting too much. And you're also going through looks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you're just going through worse taglines now. Monday through Sunday, every day of the week, it never gave side chick. Like, what do you. What does that even mean? So Andy's like, okay, well, you also coined a new name for gna Gangster. As in alcohol. Remember when Giselle kicked you out of her fundraising jogging pants party? What was that about? And so now they try and give Giselle and Ashley shit for getting kicked out of that party.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And so we come Back. They didn't show Ashley singing. I don't seem to remember. Maybe that'll be later. So Andy's like, okay, so, Ashley, what question am I gonna ask you right now? Yes, the children are still on the kitchen counters. No. Is it about Josh? No. Do you want to hear me sing? No, definitely not. That.

[Ben Mandelker]

I keep my love in the carry on. What does she say? Healing and thriving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just cuz I'm surviving, reviving.

[Ben Mandelker]

I forgot the lyrics. And, you know, looking it up, they don't just pop up. Which is crazy. How has nobody made a lyrics page for this song? I'm thriving.

[Ronnie Karam]

So there is one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

There is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't mean to derail this whole thing. Yeah, but I need to know the lyrics. Throw up your hands. Forget about all your problems. Let's party. Okay. Healing and thriving. No, not just surviving. Healing and thriving now, now. Oh, yeah, I'm healing. Okay, where's the carry on part? I don't see it in here. Damn it. Bad lyrics. All right, carry on.

[Ronnie Karam]

If there's one song that does not need to be carried on with definitely this song. Please don't carry on. Please don't carry on now with those.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a carry on. So then they start.

[Ronnie Karam]

She better not be flying on spirit because she's going to have to pay for her reeling in her throat.

[Ben Mandelker]

So this is Ashley being asked about her divorce. He's like, I'm gonna ask you the same question I ask you every year. Is it about Beavis? No, Ashley. Oh, okay. Michael. Our divorce. Well, you know, it's in the hands of state Virginia. And so we signed everything. And guess what? They are divorced. She announced it, I think this week or last week. She is in fact divorced. So it all went through. Good for you it's happening thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Jassy asked me and you know, Stace, that Andy compares like the alimony, the child support with Stacy situation. And Jassy asked me if she's getting a divorce. And he was like, I am definitely not. Yes, I am. No, I'm not getting a divorce.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, okay, so you're just co parenting with Gordon and she's 1,000 brochures at a crack the back. And Andy's like, well, okay, well, let's go back to Ashley because no one believes me as Ashley. I guess that's. I guess I'll get into that later. That Mia's lying about her whole divorce thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you notice that Giselle did a little meta bravo moment there where she went, the lies the lies.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then they ask about nothing more.

[Ronnie Karam]

To say about it, because I know people are going to say, did you notice that Giselle said the lies? The lies. I want to acknowledge we did that. I said, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then Datricia from Austin, Texas, says, does GNA even sell clothes? What the hell? Your website's just photos of Giselle and Ashley. And so they laugh. And Giselle's like, well, the timing was kind of off for us to be selling apparel, so we're not doing that. Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

As in the time for us to learn about how to make apparel and sell. It happened 30 years ago, and we don't know why we're doing it now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Ashley's like, I'm not spending money on that. I don't even know what I'm getting in the divorce. So now we're community outreach, health and well, wellness. Leave your brain tumors in your Carry on. All right, well, that doesn't have the same ring to it. Well, it's community outreach, Andy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Nothing sounds more like either a cult or fraud than that rebranding. And so Mika's. So it's a non profit. And Stacy goes, no, it's a fashion line. How dare you? They are grown, educated, beautiful women putting on a fashion line that's all about community outreach and health and wellness. Of course. Course.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ashley's like, pay attention. We're not fashion. She goes, oh, oh, okay. Okay, then. And she goes, we're a liaison. We're a liaison between the community and the charity. So the community says, where's gna? And we say, charity. And then Giselle's like a boom. A boom liaison.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so then what's going to happen next? Like, what step? What's that? Phase three. And goes, well, we'll see if you're invited. I mean, poor, you know, this. This should be. I feel like Charade's been waiting for a moment for. For, like, a really, like, shady athleisure to. To take away the shame that she's had, that she's had to hold with September, spring, summer for her joggers. Because this is really. This is worse than the she buys charade situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. They never came out with anything, so this one's a lot worse. So Andy goes, o. I still don't get it. So the focus. Helping the community, helping the homeless. Help the community. You know, instead of giving the homeless joggers, we roll down our windows and we say, run, liaison.

[Ronnie Karam]

We say, karen's coming down the street. Find shelter and stay away from Medians.

[Ben Mandelker]

We put horns on the front of cars. Tiny little horns that only deer can hear when Karen is coming down. Down the freeway. Liaison.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I'd love. I just. I love how they like the. This is so obviously just a stupid thing they made for the show. And the fact that Andy is seriously grilling them on it and they have no answers. They're, like, literally laughing about how. How flimsy their responses are about this. Okay, well, let's talk about the dueling events. So Judy from Judytown said, if you say yes to one event and are later invited to another, shouldn't you prioritize. Prioritize the first event? You are as vp, too. And Giselle's like, thank you. Anyone want to answer?

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like, but we were trying to stay at yours, so that's why we came last to yours. And Giselle's like, the event was over. You missed the part where we announced Liaison. And she's like, oh, give me a break. And after, she's like, yeah, the event ended at 9, and you got there at 8. O3.3. That's less than an hour. Listen, 57 minutes is enough time to get their money. Stupids. Who kicks that many people out of a fundraiser? That's just stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I thought it was rude of them. I think Giselle actually does have a point, which is, like you said, you're coming to mind first, and you should have either done what Wendy did, which is Wendy said, sorry, I have a conflict. I'm going to Karen's, or you tell Karen, I have a conflict, I'm going to Giselle's, but don't try to split it up and. And give half and half. That being said, Giselle, there was more than enough time for those women to show up and for Giselle to get a photo of them with her photographer that she could put all over social media and wherever and get her fundraisers, yada, yada, yada. But ultimately, I do think Giselle was in the right in this situation. I mean, she handled it rudely, but she was in the right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't care about it anymore. It's too long ago. I can't. Feels like 10 years ago. This was a long season.

[Ronnie Karam]

I really.

[Ben Mandelker]

Actually. You know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

I really enjoyed that. That.

[Ben Mandelker]

That.

[Ronnie Karam]

This little dueling event episode. And, well, that was, like, one of.

[Ben Mandelker]

The best ones, because that was back when we were still like, oh, my God, they're back. This season's great because that's the first time we saw the new Girl get all offended, like, how dare you? I am leaving after she just got kicked out.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was just like a funny one episode petty, you know, you know, dual event situation. It was very funny. I really liked it. But I agree, it's not like it's not really worth spending a lot of time on the reunion, and they actually don't. So basically, Giselle re emphasizes that she was really angry at Karen, which is why she threw everyone out and she apologized to everyone, etc. And then Andy's like, okay, great. Well, Jassy, you've been out here for about 35 seconds. Any final thoughts? Well, Andy, you might say I'm the side chick, but I'm standing front and center. All right, all right, all right.

[Ben Mandelker]

You may want a potato potato, but guess what? I'm a hamburger. I'm never the side. Okay, Jassy, you can go. I don't care if it's September, and I don't care if it's July. I'm not a side chick.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not made of aluminum, and I'm not made of linoleum because I'm not siding. I'm me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ashley's like, okay, well, since you're about to leave, when I saw you at the Christmas party, you mentioned that flew off the handle for Mia's birthday, so don't leave before you throw Mia under the bus. And she's like, oh, yeah, okay, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that was good of Ashley. Ashley's like, hello, we're supposed to be talking about this bullshit.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Stacy's like, oh, we're gonna talk about Miami.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's talk about Miami. She's always like, oh, let me get comfy, because all the women know, so they're so excited for this to come out. So Jassy says, everyone, this is what happened. Mia sent out a beautiful invitation to both Stacy and I. And we see this text where Mia says, I am thrilled to announce the celebration of the start of my final 40 to make this milestone unforgettable. I would be honored to have you join me as we live it up in magical.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so sad to call it my final 40. I mean, God, doesn't that sound like I'm dead? I'm dying. This is the final 40. There's not gonna be another 40 left. I was like, why? Are you saying you're gonna die before 80? Like, have some hope in yourself.

[Ronnie Karam]

And how could you talk about your final 40 on the same episode that Karen goes to rehab? I mean, yeah, she already had to. She not only had her final 40. She had her final leader and her final pint and her final shot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, My final handle. It's my final three fingers. I'm just trying to find the right words. So then. So basically, she invites them, and Stacy replies, Mia, thank you so much for that special surprise. How fab. I'm so excited to celebrate with you, babe. I'm coming. And Jassy's like, yeah. So Stacy said, come on, let's go to Miami. So we went to Miami. That's what grandma girlfriends do, right? They support each other.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jassy's like, and I'll let her tell her own story. I'm not a. That's a very side move of you, by the way, Jesse. But essentially, Stacy landed and didn't hear from Mia. And at the end of the day, we did not see Miaee. I mean, how do you have Miami without Mia, right? It's the first three letters.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Ashley and Giselle are like, whoa, what? Because she did not see Mia when they went to Miami. And Andy's like, what? So Mia's like, well, first, I would like to say I have since talked, spoken to both of them. And Stacy's like, you didn't talk to me. And Mia's like, I did reach out to you. I texted you two days later. You haven't spoken to me. Well, I reached out to her via text because it's 2020. And she's like, you can't call. You can call people who show up for you. You call them, actually.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, so what happened? Okay, mind you, I hired a poc and it was like, a poc. Everyone's like, a little, like, what is she talking about? Kristen Takeman's like, finally, my brand gets some awareness. But she meant point of contact, an event planner, someone to dedicate to make sure that you are, you know, my point of contact. Okay, well, I'm sorry. I was like, is that a probation officer? I mean, right? I was confused about that. So Mia says, I personally did not know the ladies were coming to town. I mean, she just lies. Every sentence that comes out of her mouth is just one lie after another. It's kind of outrageous. Just now, she was like, I listen. I talked to both of them. And then within, like, a second, it's like, well, I sent them a. I reached out. I sent them a text. Sending a text is. So you send a text, but not hearing something back is way different than saying, I talked with someone. Yeah, with the implication that you, like, cleared it up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stacy just keeps Repeating, you are a liar. You are a liar. You are. And Giselle's like, oh, my God, please stop her from repeating herself. It's making me crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't know you guys were coming. And so Andy's like, but did you not invite them to come? I did invite them, but I didn't realize I had invited them. I actually never invited them them in the first place because I invited them.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, so they didn't say they were coming. And Stacy's like, I didn't tell you. Oh, my goodness. Thank you for the invitation. I specifically remember writing, fab, I'm coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mia's like, well, you didn't RSVP to me. You RSVP to my point of contact. And Stacy is like, girl, bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she like, brings out the phone and everything. And my Mia's like, like, well, when I learned that they were in town, I texted them both and I said, hey, ladies, where are you guys? I heard you guys checked in for dinner. And then they came to the restaurant. And Stacy goes, well, why didn't you respond to me when I arrived? And Mia's like, but then they left the restaurant.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Wendy's like, but, Mia, you're leaving out key points. They left the west swamp because you told them to arrive at 8 and you didn't come until 11. And that's why they left. She goes, we arrived at 9. Okay. I was an hour relate to my birthday. So was she there at 11 or was she at 9? There are a lot of things that never get cleared up.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, she was probably there after 10 o'clock. She definitely was not there at 9. That's for sure. So now, Stacy, Andy's reading the. The text and he says, okay, you said, I'm thrilled to announce the celebration of the start of my final 40. Okay. And there's an itinerary. There's a yacht day party and then an exclusive dinner at Barton G's. Well, first of all, that's where the. That's where you should have just never gone to the. This thing. Barton G's. You're gonna go to Barton G's? And you're like, above 23, please. Okay. And then after party, please let me know. Can't. We can't wait to celebrate. Okay, so the response is, mia, thank you so much for the special surprise. How fab. I'm so excited to celebrate with you, babe, I'm coming. And Giselle's like, this is a receipt. I like.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you say, amazing. Can't Wait to see you, beautiful. And then she says, this is now on Sunday. Happy birthday, beautiful. And Mia's like, well, now this is a text that I did not get. Cause I did not know she was in town. Mia, it's your phone number. What are you saying is the point of contact? Like, Mia's gonna go without her phone for a whole two days, Especially on her birthday. No, girl, you were sitting there on your phone reading all your Instagram Happy Birthdays. We all know you were, so just stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also, don't hatch new lies until all the evidence has been read, because you don't know if you're gonna just have to to walk this one back already. So Andy goes, okay, well, so she says, happy birthday, beautiful. I am here in Miami, ready to celebrate you. And it was read the following day. So you actually are ghosting someone but keeping red receipts on. Wow, that's bold. And you respond at 12:15 in the morning. And then you say, queen, where are you, my love? So it was like, hours later, Mia is like, where are you? It's so rude.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I still don't get it. So what time did she get to Miami? Did they say what time she got.

[Ronnie Karam]

In in the afternoon? They showed the screenshots. But, like, she got in in the afternoon. Probably like 1, 2, 3 o'clock or something like that. Says, we're here. Mia doesn't write back until 12:15 in the morning. So that's like nine hours later, which is really shady. And then. And then responds like, oh, yeah, where are you? Not like, oh, my God. So sorry I missed this. Oh, I feel like an idiot. It. Please come meet me here. Oh, my goodness. Let me. Let me find out where you are. Let me come to you. It was kind of like, where are you? Yeah, I would be livid.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then Andy reads the other text and Stacy saying, listen, I'm so excited to celebrate you. I texted and called you with no response all day, and I still showed up to your dinner party, and no one was there. An hour after it started, and you still don't reach out to me. That was disappointing and disrespectful. I look forward to seeing you soon. I mean, it's like, so what's the problem?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mia's terrible. She is terrible.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, what's the problem? And it's like, well, she RSVPed and said, I can't go to the yacht, but I'm going to dinner. So you did know she was coming? I mean, I was like, well, I knew she was coming. To dinner? Yes. But I didn't know she was in Miami. I thought she was having dinner somewhere else in the country. And then when I got to dinner, they told me she had left, which I knew she was gonna be there because I didn't know she was gonna be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Obviously, we were having dinner, and it was lunch, but it was a dinner that she wasn't supposed to be at or not invited to that I completely invited her to. So I just don't understand why. I understand completely what's happening, which I don't understand. Like, what?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jassy's like, hold on, everyone. Main character energy coming through. I flew to Miami to try to support y'all on behalf of not only your birthday, but also Stacy, who has a child, who left her child at home to be there to support you. Even when I left. Arabella, Arabella, Arabella. You didn't care. You never reached out to me. So then Ash is like, yeah, where's Jacqueline in this equation? Well, Jacqueline was the one who told. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot. I can blame everything on Jacqueline. Jacqueline was the one who told me. Say he was upset. Jacqueline was texting you back. This is all Jacqueline's fault. Everyone blamed Jacqueline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Jacqueline's a PLC And Jassy's like, well, Jacqueline told me that Mia was more worried about Ink, and so Andy's like, do you feel bad? Emmy is like, I do feel bad because, like, I wanted to have an opportunity to have a good time with these girls, but unfortunately, I was captured at lunch on a yacht. That was dinner. It was really lunch, and I just know how the POC did it. Annie, the poc.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you guys talking about my makeup? So Wendy is like, okay, everyone, I feel like there's an opportunity for us all to get angry now, so I will get the ball rolling. If we're being honest, the elephant in the room is that she invited these two women and no one else.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so Wendy's like, yeah, so that's the biggest a point. And Stacy's like, oh, wait, you guys weren't invited. Oh, come on, Stacy. You know they weren't invited because you would have been texting them, being like, where is this woman? Where are we all meeting up? What's going on? You know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, you. It also shows that you didn't text anyone to say, are you coming to this thing as well. So Stacy's like, I mean, so you invited us. We're the only two people you invited, and you ghosted us. Well, that's what I'm trying to say, say if you only have relationship with two girls in the group and one of them is a side chick. Hey, sorry. Those two girls show up for you and you ghost the ones who do show up for you. That's just mad bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's just bad. Bad news. That's bad friendship. Me. It's like, well, I said I was wrong. I'm sorry I'm crying, but I'm just emotional because so much has gone on this earring, Andy, you know, and I just. I'm taking accountability because I did not drive drunk into a tree after driving drunk into a tree. Wait a minute. You're taking Caren's non Accountability. Accountability. Oh, I'm so sorry. It's just been so hard for me. Can I bring my PLC out here to speak for me? No, you cannot.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's trying to do the whole cry to your thing. And I have to say, like, this is not going to work on the Potomac a cast, you know, it just never does. And it's just such a funny contrast to what we just watched on Real House House of New York with Brynn. Because here they're all just like, shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mia's like, we're all. You know, we all are different. We react to things differently. We all have different experiences in life.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's about to try it. She's about to try the trauma cloak again. And they're like, denied. Denied.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right, well, Jassy, thanks. I'm gonna say goodbye to my side chick. Jassy, thanks for coming. Jassy, see you never. She's like, thanks, Andy. Thanks so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

I sleep on my stomach because I'm not a side chick. All right, please leave. Please just go.

[Ronnie Karam]

The sad part is you've still done more this reunion than Kieran.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so Kieran was like, wait a minute now. I did look for Karen's womb.

[Ronnie Karam]

I have something to say. All right, we're going to break Karen. Too little to.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Mia tries to go into Stacy's dressing room. So Stacy is there with Jassy, and she's like, guys, I just talked to you. I just wanted to say I really care about your friendship, and I'm sorry. And Stacy's like, well, I just feel like you are crying right now because we're calling you out and you didn't even say anything to us until we were back in D.C. it just doesn't feel genuine. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Mia's barely even paying attention to what they're saying. She's, like, getting like a Soda from a PA While Stacy's saying this. So it just again, shows the degree of sincerity behind her. And she's like, okay, it's all good. And she's, we can't receive it now. All right, thanks for listening. I'm going to leave.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to leave. I'm going to leave.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she goes into her room and.

[Ben Mandelker]

She'S like, oh, yeah, she does her cry thing. I love her cry. She's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

When I tell you I was cracking up during this entire hour, everything was so funny. Every just. It was great.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a good one. And then especially that she's like, it ends with her going, I'm leaving next week. I'm leaving. She's just doing the thing where they leave 10 times. Times.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was, it was great. You know, when we found out that this was going to be a three, three part reunion, we're like, really? I mean, like, it was a good season and I, I thought it was a good season. It was a good comeback season, but like three parts, I don't think so. But now I'm like, okay, Yep. Yeah, we're. We're in like this season had a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good start and a good end, but the middle was just, Middle was a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little rough, boring after the trailer.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just this doesn't have three episodes. I'm sorry. But that said, even if a show doesn't have a good season, it can have a good reunion. And so far it looks like this one is. And the new girls are stepping up. Well, at least Stacy, you know, are stepping up and making it happen. And I love that they found a new foe for Giselle because Giselle can't be there without somebody to hate on. And this girl's not going to take her. So I love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. That's great, everyone. Thank you so much for being here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. We'll be back later with crappy hour live tonight at 5:30 Pacific Time on YouTube live or our Patreon, which is free. You can go to the Patreon for free and watch it app and we'll. We do that every other Monday. Get the Traders recap tomorrow over at Patreon. And also probably in the morning we'll have a Southern hospitality recap. So we'll talk to you guys next time. Thanks for being here.

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