#2737 Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)

Summary

Watch What Crappens: Episode #2737 Summary

Title: Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: February 21, 2025
Podcast: Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2737 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the latest developments of Southern Charm Season 10 Episode 11, titled "Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)." The episode primarily focuses on the tumultuous relationship between Shep and Sienna, exploring themes of obsession, unreciprocated love, and interpersonal drama within the Southern Charm cast.

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Episode Recap: Southern Charm S10E11

Southern Charm Season 10 Episode 11 centers around the strained relationship between Shep and Sienna. The episode depicts Shep's relentless pursuit of Sienna, juxtaposed with her clear lack of interest and attempts to distance herself from his advances. The evening unfolds with a group dinner where tensions escalate, highlighting Shep's inability to accept Sienna's disinterest and the group's growing frustration with his behavior.

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Hosts’ Analysis and Discussion

Shep and Sienna: A Paradox of Obsession

Ben and Ronnie scrutinize Shep's behavior, emphasizing his unhealthy fixation on Sienna. Ben remarks, "[05:29] Ben Mandelker: I used the secret last night... he took his shirt off. I was like, see, that's a great use of the secret," highlighting Shep's manipulative tactics to garner attention and affection.

Ronnie vehemently criticizes Shep, stating, "[07:23] Ronnie Karam: He's a fucking stalker and he's a creep," underscoring the inappropriateness of Shep's advances towards a significantly younger woman. They both express concern over Shep's inability to interpret social cues and respect boundaries, which fuels the ongoing drama.

Defending Sienna and Critiquing Social Media Backlash

The hosts defend Sienna against online backlash, arguing that criticisms unfairly place the blame on her rather than Shep's persistent and unsolicited advances. Ben notes, "[08:31] Ben Mandelker: ...I have total sympathy for her," emphasizing that Sienna is merely trying to navigate an uncomfortable situation imposed by Shep's behavior.

Ronnie adds, "[10:15] Ronnie Karam: Team Sienna, you know?... She's a really good person," further supporting Sienna's efforts to maintain her dignity amidst Shep's unwanted attention. They collectively condemn the tendency of social media to vilify female participants in such dramas without acknowledging the root cause—Shep's actions.

Character Dynamics and Group Reactions

Ben and Ronnie explore the broader cast dynamics, particularly focusing on characters like Taylor, Molly, and Vanita. They critique Taylor's lingering affection for Shep, with Ronnie stating, "[30:34] Ben Mandelker: ...and he's trying to say this. He's trying to be like, no, she's really great," pointing out Taylor's internal conflict and her struggle to move on from Shep.

Molly's role is also examined, with Ronnie humorously addressing her perceived passivity, "[37:06] Ben Mandelker: Gonorrhea Girl," signaling the hosts' frustration with characters who contribute less to the central drama. They advocate for more substantial storylines and character development beyond the male-centric conflicts.

Personal Anecdotes and Humor

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie interject personal stories and humor to illustrate their points. Ben shares a past experience of over-familiarity with a celebrity, likening it to Shep's obsessive tendencies: "[68:12] Ben Mandelker: ... I was like, you wanna hang out? Oh, well, it's been two hours. Maybe you didn't see that." Ronnie complements this with relatable cringe-worthy moments, enhancing the conversational and comedic tone of the podcast.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie on Shep's Behavior:
  "[07:23] Ronnie Karam: He's a fucking stalker and he's a creep."

• Defending Sienna:
  "[08:31] Ben Mandelker: ...I have total sympathy for her."

• Critique of Social Media Reactions:
  "[09:21] Ronnie Karam: I'm team Sienna in this."

• On Character Dynamics:
  "[30:32] Ronnie Karam: I think she still loves Shep."

• Humorous Take on Personal Obsession:
  "[68:12] Ben Mandelker: ...You hear it from your perfect little freckled lips in my head."

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Conclusion and Looking Ahead

Ben and Ronnie conclude the episode by summarizing their disdain for Shep's continued pursuit of Sienna and forecasting upcoming discussions on future Southern Charm episodes. They express anticipation for next week's drama, particularly the anticipated confrontation with JT, ensuring listeners remain engaged and eager for more commentary.

The hosts wrap up by encouraging listeners to support them through Patreon for exclusive content, reinforcing their commitment to delivering unfiltered and honest takes on Bravo's reality TV spectacles.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Because everyone, I cannot wait about Severance to start again. So yeah, I'll be doing the same thing, watching it all through Prime. It's convenient to not have to leave the prime video app to switch between all of these subscriptions.

[Ben Mandelker]

So check out subscriptions on Prime Video. Guess what happens when there's so much that happens. Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, unlike Sienna, with Shep, it's Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie, how are you? Thank you for showing up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello. Well, yeah, of course, of course.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I just was afraid you'd ghost me, you know, Gosh, I sent you so many texts and I just don't want you to deny how much you love me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God, this, this episode's so fun for people who want the men on this show to get their comeuppance. It's so funny. I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was so good. Talking Southern charm, of course. And before we dive into that next month, we are going back out on the road to the south, in fact, and many other places starting in on, on PI Day, March 14, we're going to Cincinnati and then Minneapolis and Toronto. And then here's where we're really going in the south. Charlotte. Charlotte, North Carolina, Atlanta. And then we have D.C. and Philadelphia. So really we're only going to one place, two places in the south. But you know what I'm saying. I was just trying to make a tie in thematic tie in to our show. So go to watchcraft.com to get your tickets. We're going to have a lot of fun at those shows. And of course, as we approach those dates, we'll have a clearer understanding of what shows we'll be recapping at those live shows. So come join us. And of course, you can join us on Patreon patreon.com watchallcrappins for all sorts of things, including bonus episodes where we are recapping the Traitors, which just aired last night. And we have a lot to say about it. I'm sure. So keep an ear and eye out for all that stuff, and otherwise, we're just happy to have you here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, howdy. Howdy, everybody. I don't know. I'm sad because I'm not in Los Angeles right now. And I got a video on my ring cam of a cowboy coming to my house. And I don't know what that's about, but he's got a cowboy hat and cowboy boots, and he's ringing the bell and looking in the doorbell. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm reading Lonesome Dove and Cowboy showed up at my house. I feel like I'm just, like, secreting everything right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's great. That's a great use of the secret. I used. I used the secret last night, which is that I was at playing games at my friend's house, and her. Her partner was watching Jack Reacher on the TV in the other room. And I kept on looking over there, and I was like, let me use the secret to make Alan Richardson take a shirt off. And you know what? Lo and behold, he took his shirt off. I was like, see, that's a great use of the secret.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who's Alan Richardson?

[Ben Mandelker]

Richardson. Alan Richardson. He's like the star of Jack Reacher. He was on American idol back, like 20 years ago, and then he's been. He's been just sort of suddenly getting more and more muscly. Probably steroids. I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it, guys. It just can't be anything other than that. I'm sorry. I'm gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's my hot take on the testosterone in my butt. And I'm not more muscley.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that this guy is enormous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was like an oc. He was Aquaman or something like that. And every time he shows up in pop culture, he's just, like, bigger and bigger and bigger. And now he's just massive. So good for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, congrats. I keep getting bigger and bigger, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's hot.

[Ronnie Karam]

He is hot. Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Now. I can't. I get him confused between Jack Reacher and then the guy that the gym from the Office is. He's another one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. Jim from the office is in something like Jack Ryan, maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Jack Ryan and Jack Reacher. Okay, well, no wonder it's confusing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Too many Jacks. Too many Jacks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are they in the same world? They're like straight guys fighting cherries.

[Ben Mandelker]

Extended Jack universe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, one of them, I think it was the Reacher one because he's the one. I didn't know who he was, but I was like, oh, he's hot. But I read a headline that he's like, people are mean to me because I'm Christian. I was like, oh, be quiet. People are mean to you because you work out too much, and we're all terrified of you. Okay, Just take it that way. Just. Just listen to what your mother probably tells you. They're just jealous, honey. They're just aliens.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he's. He's super hot, and I'm really glad he took his shirt off in the middle of the board game I was playing. Yay secret. So I know someone who would like to use the secret, and his name is Shep, and he'd like to use the secret to make his quote, unquote, girlfriend text him back and like him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's the sad part about it, is that is exactly what he's doing. He just assumes that he can pick somebody. Just pick some young, gorgeous person, and then you tell them, you're my girlfriend now. And then that's it. That's all he has to do. He doesn't have to ask her any questions, find out anything about her. It's just, nope, you're my girlfriend. And I heard that on the after show, Shep said that this girl had told him the week before, bahamas. She's like, we need to talk. And he said, no, let's do it on camera. So that's how he fucking is. And you see, he's doing the same thing that Craig does in previous seasons. Like when Naomi tried to break up with Craig, and he was like, there's no reason for us to break up. Like, what are you talking about? Like, that delusional thing where he just won't let you break up, you know? And I think that's what Shep is doing too. The men on the show are so fucking delusional. You don't get to just go pick whoever you want and then make them like you back. That's not how it fucking works, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also, people on Twitter and social media need to relax, because I went on there and there are some people who were like, I have to say, I'm not a Shep fan, but Sienna was so mean to Shep. Sienna was so cold. I mean, honestly, that attitude that Sienna had was so awful. I mean, honestly, Sienna was way nicer than she ever needed to be. I thought she was perfectly fine. And Shep is the delulu one here. Don't like. Like, do. Do not put this onto Sienna. This Poor, like, she just is, like, along for the ride. She's like, let me see this guy's too. You haven't been in a situation where someone's been coming on really strong and you sort of don't know how to let them down. So you sort of just smile politely until you figure out how to deal with the situation. People are so unreasonable. I mean, this. I think she too. I have total sympathy for her. I actually do, too.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm team Sienna in this. And not just because Shep's a dried up old monkey paw, but I think that. I don't know where that came from, but I think that she's completely lovely. She shows up, she smiles, she's very nice to everybody, all of his friends. She's very polite. Like, what do you want from the girl? And Craig's like, oh, my God. I read her character the second she walked in. What did she do? She walked in, smiled, and said hello to you all. Like, why is she such a bad person? What about this character who's some fucking old creep who's stalking a girl 20 years younger than him? He's a fucking stalker and he's a creep. And you think girls like this don't have to deal with old fucking gross men like this all the time? Just coming in and being like, oh, yeah, baby, I'm gonna take you away. We're gonna fuck married and have babies and do all of this? She's heard it nine million times, chef. You're not the first person to come on to this girl. She's a 25 year old beauty queen, dude. Now, that said, she came out with some tiktoks and they're painful to get through.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really painful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her side of the story or whatever? Well, her side, apparently, is that Whitney, she didn't contact Whitney at all. Because the claim on this show is, of course Whitney saying, oh, she contacted me before she ever contacted shepmother, which is not true. He actually contacted her first on Raya and she posted the receipts online, which I thought was hilarious. And then she's talking about. Basically, she's trying to go on and on about Shep. I wish that I could recap all the tea, but I fell asleep every time. She's not someone who's going to be known as a great orator, let's just say that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

But still, Team Sienna, you know? Awkward. Yeah, awkward. Tiktoks aside, I'm still team Sienna. He's gross. He's a stalker, and his friends should stop. His friends just say stop. Coming onto children so strongly at this point. You're disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I just. I also did not like Craig's comment that he, like, didn't like Sienna's energy. Sienna was feeling awkward as fuck. This guy that she doesn't even want to be with. She's on camera because she's like, well, I guess I'll. I'll do this. You know, whatever. Of course she's gonna. She's trying. She's actually trying to put out the awkward vibes. That way Shep doesn't get mixed messages. And Craig's like, whoa. She's, like, really mean. I didn't like her. Oh, shut up, Craig.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm such a great judge of character. Didn't you. Didn't you invest in JD's business? Shut the up. You're not a good judge of character.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think I kind of wish he applied his. What? Whatever. Yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I gave him $100,000. I mean, he's such a good guy. Person who was friends with Thomas, person who stood against Catherine, person who. Get out of here with your judge of character, Mr. Smash.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. Yeah. Honestly, Craig bragging about how he's such a good judge of energies with Sienna and yet can't even tell that his own girlfriend clearly doesn't want to live with him or have a baby with him, and then act shocked when it happened. When it gets to a breaking point. Sorry. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

God, this was fun. Okay, great recap. Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks, everyone. That was the episode. So it's 7:30pm so last we left off, Shep. Shep wants Sienna to dress him, and she's like, okay, bye. I'm gonna be downstairs. No, but we have to be together while I flip flops, so I want.

[Ronnie Karam]

You to see me in my underwear. Surely that'll change the course of our relationship, Chef. No, you don't. Okay, here's two things that you don't want this woman to do. See you in your underwear and watch you eat. And you proceed to do both of those things. Okay. Don't ask me why none of this worked out. It's plainly clear, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. So meanwhile, everyone's getting ready to go down to dinner. Molly has a migraine, so her lights are off and everything. Think she's not going to come in? Vanita V Salad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Molly, you need. Okay, this. I'm sorry, Ben, that I keep going off. We're not going to make it anywhere in this. And by the way, I was like this before the recap, too. I just kept Talking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Go off, King. Go off.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so sorry. It's rude, but I just have to say, you're like, yeah, now I'm in a cow sweater. What do you think? What do you think of my.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's taking off his sweater. He's like, not only am I going to go off, I'm going to take off my sweater.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to go off on a strip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andre Leon Talley over there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Molly, this is not only to you. This is for half the cast who missed their flights, okay, you guys, this is a job. You have to show up and do your fucking job. Molly, Just being in bed all the time. Molly, here's what you've given this season. A tuba and complaining about being fat when you're as big as my pinky, okay? That's all you've given us now. I like Molly. I'm glad she's on the show. I'm actually somewhat interested in a tuba journey. Okay, Somewhat. But that's just a somewhat. You need to get your ass out of bed and go to work. Okay? And everybody who's showing up late. What is JT showing up late for? Get your ass to work. You're barely even invited on this trip, sir. Venita, you've done nothing but shoot dogs with your scenes with your dog except for maybe two episodes this season. And you do get extra points for trying to pretend that you can stomach J.D. okay, I do give you extra points for that. You need to show up for your flight, ma'am. All of you. Whitney, what are you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know that was. That was shocking. Well, first of all, I will have some grace for Molly. She had a migraine, so I'm going to let her have that. But the others, I mean, I don't know. I had a sneaking suspicion they none of them missed their flights. I think that production was just staggering them. I think production didn't want everyone all at once. They wanted to have a moment with this, the core cast, and then bring the extras in. So I personally, My conspiracy theory is that no one missed their flights. They were on the flights they were supposed to be on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that would.

[Ben Mandelker]

But if they did. But if they did, then they need to go fucking figure stuff out because that's way too many people missing flights. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I get people migraines and all of that. I just feel like a lot of Molly stuff is like, I feel like they.

[Ben Mandelker]

They led with Molly this season and.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'S just not into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they led with Molly the season. It Seemed like she was going to be the next big thing. But then I think actually it really became a Sally season, and Molly has been fine, but I think Sally is the future. I really like Sally a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I really like.

[Ben Mandelker]

So people are showing up, and Vanita is going to come tomorrow. She says that she lost her passport, but I don't believe. Believe so. So then Molly is basically just saying, like, yeah, I had too much to drink, whatever. So now we go back to Shep. This is all we care about, going back to Shep. So Shep comes down the staircase with his lemur arms swinging by his knees, and he's like, oh, gosh, is it okay? Can I wear flip flops? Which, no, you should. He should not be wearing flip flops. But Sienna doesn't care. And. And Sienna, in fact, probably wants to, like, her little revenge is to set him up for failure. So she's like, yeah, no, flip flops look great.

[Ronnie Karam]

They look great.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's in, like, these khakis and flip flops. And I say this as someone who wears flip flops, maybe to too many places. I guess I'm like, Craig, I can recognize the flaws in other people and other relationships and other flip flops, but maybe not in myself. But even I could tell you don't wear flip flops with those pants.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I think in the Bahamas, you're allowed my. I think the biggest defense was his shirt, because his shirt looked like an STD under a microscope. I don't know why he wore that shirt. You look like syphilis, sir. Why are you dressed like syphilis and trying to woo this girl? Please don't eat. And then he eat. I just. I do love Sienna's face, though, because every. Her face in this entire episode is like. And she's always looking down and away from him. Like, just don't look at him. Don't look at him. Get that signature for your grandmother and get the fuck out of here. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. And she's like, oh, you look amazing. Let's go to dinner with other people so we don't have to have one on one time. And she's like. He's like, thanks. Hey, Karsh. I just want to sit down, okay? I'm panting. Karsh, I don't know. We haven't seen each other in over a month and a half. And I feel like I keep on trying to get you to start the Vietnam War and you won't start it, and that kind of makes me feel bad. But anyway, so she's like, well, a lot's happened since then. You know, I went to another country to try to get away from you, and you still tracked me down. No, but. Okay, so what has happened? I don't know. I don't know anything that's happening in your life. Like, Cheb, read the writing on the wall.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Also, if somebody tells you off camera, they need to have a talk with you. Don't save it till on camera. Because I think in this girl's mind, she's like, I'm clearly trying to break up with you, and you know it. And now you're forcing me to look stupid on tv or you're trying to villainize me on TV and act like we've been together this whole time, which we haven't been.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they head to dinner, and Craig and Austin are gossiping with the gang. And Craig's like, so no word on what happened upstairs. And Austin's like, dude, I haven't heard from him. Like, I'm sure he's just going to join this dinner at some point. Right? I mean, what's going to happen? What's going to happen with Shab?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's like, of course you come, and then Craig is, like, alone. And then. Then they're talking about, is Sienna there? And Craig's like, you could. The tension was like. You could cut it with a knife. And it was like a walls in my home.

[Ronnie Karam]

The tension was like a wall.

[Ben Mandelker]

I could cut it. I'm a very good read of character, and I watched enough 90 Day Fiance to know that it just, like, didn't feel right. Like, whatever Shep thought was real didn't exist. And by the way, speaking of 90 Day Fiance, we got several messages last week. We were like, K1. K1. Isn't that for employment? Talking about. Yeah, it turns out there's a K1 for.

[Ronnie Karam]

I even said last week. I know that I'm speaking from a place where someone's going to write me and talk about how stupid I am for not knowing what a K1 is. But even when I googled it and then people were like, you guys really have to watch 90 Day Fiance?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, it's not even.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like. It's a two hour show, right? It's like two hours. It's very slow. It does not. And people have been for years. Are you guys gonna watch 90 Day Fiance? I have tried. It does not speak to me. I am a Bravo, girly. I expect a certain level of quality in my reality shows, and I'M sorry. TLC does not cut it for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, If I wanted to watch a bunch of old white men try and talk people from another country into pretending they're attractive, for $10,000 a year, I'd go to the country club. My dad golfs. You see that shit all the time over there. And you know what else? You see people like Sienna looking at the men like this because they're like, hey, honey, I can. I can give you a good life. I can see our children. She's just like, please, just take your margarita, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, can we talk about something else? Not. I'm not trying to change the subject, but there's something I just noticed in the notes that I feel like we really have to address because it happens a lot this episode. Like, whoever. Whoever was in charge to this queue just had a field day. So we talk a lot about how on Bravo, when something happens, a lot of times you'll hear a. Or maybe you'll hear it, brr. But on Southern Charm, and only on Southern Charm do you hear the sound of pianists crashing their hands onto the piano key. And it happened so many times this episode. I was cracking up, and I almost forgot. And I'm so glad that our note taker mentioned that. Thank you. Thank you so much for mentioning that. Because I was. It was like, shepa be like, so, Sienna, I was thinking maybe we could get married someday.

[Ronnie Karam]

The other thing that they do on this show, I mean, the music department on this show is amazing. We've always loved the music department. But another one they really do a lot is the rattle, where they go, brr. They use, like, an actual rattling thing from an orchestra. And that always makes you laugh. Whenever someone says something shitty, they're like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So thank you, Shelby, for including the piano crash. Because it is every time it happens. I just think it's so funny because it's also, like, the most emotionally true stinger that Bravo has. Like, whatever. Shep. Shep is, like, doing something right. So the piano's always like. And then he, like, ruins the moment. And you're like, oh, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's also very Shep. Pretending that he's like someone who would be like, I'm a pianist. And then just. You're like, okay, play me a song. La la. Like, listening to me try and play. After all my piano classes, it's like playing Super Mario.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, you know, you have that beautiful calypso music playing, and then you fall into a pit and you die. And so it's like, dun dun. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. That's what the piano crash music is like. You just like, you know, Mario, be like, whoops.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or like the Pac Man. Doo, doo, doo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but there's just something so, like, perfect about all those keys getting mashed all at once.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, I know what's going on here because I watch 90 Day Fiance, so I'm a really good read of character. Oh, really? How's that ring shopping going that you're doing on your own?

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so how's it being negative365. Fiance. Fiance. At least those people got 90 days under the belt, bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go back to cnn. Shep and Seth's like, I mean, Sienna, obviously. We both came out of the gate awfully hot. Remember that time I took off my pants and you said, please don't, but I did anyway. God, that was hot. It was so passionate and wonderful and true. That's true, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, we had a lot of fun. Yeah. And then it got hotter and heavier. And as far as we were. As far as what we were saying to one another, like, you're so hot. You remind me of Episode 3 of the Vietnam documentary. You really have to watch it, Sienna. To get my references.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, mm, mm. And then I thought maybe. Maybe the universe brought us together. We're the big bang. Like, maybe you would mention to me, you know, we'd have the prettiest babies. We'd have these beautiful kids who were smart, and they'd be connected to nature and the ocean, and we'd live all over together and have adventures. And she's like, that was in my mind. That's what. What you were saying in my mind. What the fuck is wrong with you, bro? This is creepy.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so much. I was. I had hands over, like, okay. There were two things that happened on Bravo this week that had me putting my hands over my eyes. One was when Harry on Blow Deck down under got, like, his thumb mashed to a pulp and his fingernail fell off. And I was like, ah. And the other was this. This is as bad as watching someone's fingernail fall off to me.

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[Ronnie Karam]

It's creepy to me just from being a restaurant worker. When you see this kind of behavior, you break it up. You know what I mean? You're like, that's a woman who's being pestered and has a high chance of being assaulted. Period. You break it up. If some creepy old man is coming onto some fucking model at the bar and won't stop and start saying like, but in my mind you want to have babies with me and you want it. That's when you're cut off and I call you a cat sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a good Idea. So Shep is like. I was like, you make my life better. I mean, for the three seconds that you're in my life, when you answer my texts and you make me want to be a better man. I mean, want to be a better man. I don't actually be a better man. And I'm just wild.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was gonna say, where does that start?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And I'm actually. I'm actually in love with you. The pianist is like, geez, I just got up off the floor. Okay, hold on, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's just kind of looking around like. And so now. And you know, again, a lot of the discourse online is like, what a bitch. He's pouring out her heart. And she's sitting there giving creepy. Get out of my space.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop standing up for this man. Like, he's a hero. Stop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, he's not pouring out his heart. He's doing the hard sell for her to complete his fantasy of what his life should be like. That's all it is. This is not love. This is not desire. This is someone who has been adrift at sea while everyone else has found their mooring. And now he's doing the thing where he has figured out, like, what he wants his life to be, which is to be married with an app, an impossibly gorgeous woman down in the tropics, enjoying life on the beach. All is good. Drinking your. Your can of Red Stripe or your bottle of Red Stripe, and everything is wonderful. And she's basically saying, no, I'm not going to let you have that fantasy right now. And so he is conflating that with love. And he is saying that, like, he loves her, but no, he loves that she is the final piece of the puzzle that he thinks he needs, that he saw an ayahuasca journey town that he thinks was going to take him out from the depths of all of last season and. And his. All his problems. And she's saying no. And it's going to. It's going to shatter his worldview, and he's going to have to crawl back like Rumpelstiltskin up to Charleston and be the same Shep he always was.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I've got a riddle for you. It's like, oh, shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shepostilskin.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Sepal Garshkin. Yeah. I don't even give him enough credit that I believe that he really wants this. I don't think that he does. I think that he's purposely picked somebody who doesn't live near him and who pays him no mind. And he knows nothing about that. He figures because she's with a family that's like a fan of the show, like, her grandma's in the fan club or president of the fan club or whatever, she's going to do whatever she wants and just be so grateful to be on TV that she'll just go along with whatever bullshit he says. Because he's had the worst couple of seasons as far as how he treats women. So with. He doesn't want to actually have to treat one well, which he would if he had to date locally and somebody who is on the show. It's kind of like Austin's doing. So they're dating these people who are very far away and that we never see and that will just say yes to whatever they want to do and be compliant. In the meanwhile, Shep can still be drunk every night and go fuck whoever he wants in Charles. So I don't even believe that he really wants this. I believe he's just trying to cast somebody to fix his reputation. I don't believe for one second he wants us because he's laying it on so thick, like, oh, my gosh, all I wanted was children. And you made me think you wanted it, too. She never made you think that. She won't even call you back, bro.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's not good. She's just not that into you. She's just not into Gar. God. So. So now everyone is getting seated and everything at the table, and they're. They're like. They're like, should we put Shep and CN in the middle or at the end? And everyone's gonna, like, put them in the middle because they all just want to eavesdrop. Except for Taylor, of course. She's like, put them at the end. You know, people online also are being very mean to Taylor because they're like, what is she doing? Why is she even on the show? And I have to admit, I have. I have defended Taylor in the past because I think she got a raw deal with Shep. But I do think I. I am questioning why she's on this season. I don't think she adds much, but people are like, she's jealous and she's bitter. And I actually will defend her on this. I think she has a right to be jealous and bitter because she went through the Chep, the Shep, the whole Shep circus. And I'm gonna allow her a little bit of a victory lap right now as she watches Shep get turned inside out by Sienna. I think that Taylor deserves This, and I'm gonna let her have it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she still loves Shep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, yeah, obviously.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's hard for me to respect her. It's just hard. I'm sorry. I mean, I've always stood up for Taylor, too, on the show when it was versus Shep. But now that it's just Taylor lingering around to just kind of still be in love with Shep from the sidelines, it's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you don't respect her because she loves Shep. Yeah. I. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, people. It's like, people like, who just bought a cybertruck? You know what I mean? Like, I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

If you got one before, okay. But if you get one, like, today, I'm not gonna respect you. Yeah, that's. I do draw lines that way.

[Ben Mandelker]

You bought one before, douchey. If you bought one now, it's douchey and awful.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think at this point, you're evil.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, maybe. Maybe this is, like the softy of me. But I don't. I don't. I don't discredit Taylor for loving Shep from afar. I think that she loved Shep and she realized it was never, ever gonna work, so. But I can understand if she's still in love with him. I just think that he treated her like shit. And she realized as much as she loves this guy, she has to. She can't be with him. And I think that's hard for her. But anyway, whatever about that. I just think that she is owed a. I think she's allowed to sit and laugh and watch Shep just get humiliated on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the living and laughing is when I like it. It's the stuff with the. You know, like when she was getting weird with Rodrigo, when Rodrigo was playing the phone call over FaceTime or whatever on speakerphone, and she was.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just that she seems in love with him. And this isn't like, blame the victim kind of thing. Cause I didn't feel that way when she was together. I mean, I get that that's something where you're together with someone. I just mean, like, after all of this, like, you're still in love with Shep. At some point, I just have to walk away, like, as a friend, which I know we're not supposed to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's more like we want her. It's time for you to.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would kick her out of the empty van. I would be like, there are people who actually want my help. And get out of my anti van. I would pull the van over and I would kick her out.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would say to Taylor, it is time to move on. And what you're gonna have to do is leave this show because it's not healthy for you. You need to be away from him. So that way, like, you can really focus on.

[Ronnie Karam]

But she's an influencer now, so she won't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go back to Shep, and Sienna's just doing that smile thing. Like, please, someone save me. And Shep's like, I don't wanna put you on the spot. I just. I don't even know where we stand. Will you marry me? And she's like, well, I mean, on my end of things, I just feel like we never really defined what this relationship. I was like, are you. Do you have a doll that you're trying to throw your voice for? She's very Howdy Doody. Well, I just don't think that we've ever really defined things.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's leaning into her pageant training as strongly as she can. She's like, but you had to have known how I felt, right? She's like, yeah, well, now I do. 100%. Now I do. He's like, okay, let's just hold it there. Let's have a group scene. And you'll see, I'll be with friends and I'll be charming, and then you'll fall in love with me. And he's like, life is way too short to ignore a strong feeling about somebody you know, in a relationship. I'm like, yeah, that's why she's not spending more time with you. Life is too short to spend time with Shep. So she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Life is too short to spend time with someone whose life is too short. That's what I think she's thinking. And also, he keeps doing this thing with her where he's like, okay, so this is how I feel. Okay, hold off.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold off.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because he doesn't want her to break up with him, and he knows she's about to, and it's just so unfair. He keeps acting like they're having these deep discussions. No, you are having these discussions with yourself. And then every time she tries to come back and say her side, you stop her and wait for. You know. Wait for another scene.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So they go down to dinner and. And he, like, links arms with her, and she just seems so unhappy about this. So they show up and everything, and so Sienna hugs everyone, says hi. And it's like, I know that attitude that she has. Of being friendly with cast members. It's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a horrible person, what horrible energy she has. She's like, hi, everybody. So good to see you again. I think last time I saw you was at your dog party. So nice to see you. Greg's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shep runs over to pull out Sienna's chair, and Madison's like, honestly, anything Shep does, especially when it's romantic, or at least trying to make us believe he's romantic, I'm like, ew. No. They're like, this is awful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's calling it too, when she says, ellie's trying to make us believe he's romantic. So Taylor is like, this is gonna make me throw up. And so, you know, they're making small talk, and the waitress comes over and goes, okay, guys. Hi. I'm your waitress tonight. Does anybody have any food allergies? And Craig goes, I'm allergic to dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it turns out that big Craig is allergic to little Craig. And Sienna's like, oh, Jordan, maybe not the fucking idiot. I'm. I'm allergic to dog. So Sienna's like, yeah, join the club. And we see flashback of how Sienna was complaining about little Craig farting in bed. You know, back when Sienna was willing to even get into a bed with Craig with the ship. And everyone's like, horrified. Well, Austin especially looks horrified by little Craig's guest. Oh, it's insane right now. Madison's like, sienna, well, we probably haven't seen y'all since you last saw each other, right? You wanna. This is my way of opening up the conversation of, where the hell have you been? And Sienna's like, yeah, last time that.

[Ronnie Karam]

We haven't seen you. And neither is Shep. So for somebody so in love, you sure haven't seen ch much, huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Shep is like, oh, gosh, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Forgot to bring your boots.

[Ben Mandelker]

You left your boots at my house. Oh, well, I guess you'll have to come to Charleston.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, I'll buy more. And he's like, but what if I wear them? So then the food comes, and Austin's like, shab, Shap, Shab, let's go to the bar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's go to the bar, bro.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's go to the bar. So they go to have their little side conversation. And meanwhile, Sally's like, hey, come on in here, girl. Let's have some goss. And she's like, oh, finally I'm at the fun part of the table. Old man McCyphila's shirt is gone. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Gonorrhea Girl. So then just trying to make a bun.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I think we actually titled one of our Watch what Crappin's? Gonorrhea Girl Gone. Probably did comma, aria girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Guess what? This is the party side of the table. They don't have dogs here, so I can breathe easy. And Madison's like, I'm shocked to see you here today. I mean, not. Not just because, like, I know he was, like, a little nervous because I hear you've been playing hard to get, but I think that's good for him. She goes, have I been playing hard to get, or am I hard to get? I was like, yes, yes. Sienna Madness was like, oh, yeah, that's.

[Ronnie Karam]

What we're looking for. Tell us more about you. None of us have anything going on at this table. Go ahead, baby. Come on. And did you notice that Rodrigo kept speaking in this episode, but they didn't even turn his mic on? I love the production of that. The production's like, you are not forcing us to deal with Rodrigo. No, we're not turning on his mic. I mean, half the time, you just see Rodrigo's mouth, like, talking to people, and you never hear what he's saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

He should really be there with Sienna. And then she could, like, talk through her mouth, and he can talk with an open mouth. He can flap his lips with no sound coming out, and they could do, like, a little ventriloquist act.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's basically everyone is just quietly and politely and happily segueing into, okay, Sienna, do you want to talk shit about Shep? Because this is a safe space to do that. If you want to talk shit, you can. You can tell us everything. Don't worry. It'll be safe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And they tell him straight up. Like, they tell her straight up, like, Shep is this guy, is this reputation. Like, he treats women like shit. He's never, you know, in love with anybody, but now all of a sudden, he's in love with you, and it's super weird. So what's going on? And she's like, well, I love him. He's amazing. World peace, you know, big. I'm really big on people who don't have an education, getting educated, and I don't like global warming either. And they're like, okay, stop with the beauty pageant answers, honey. And Sully's like, yeah, he said the love word. And she's like, oh, well, he's a great person, and we've had a lot of fun time together, not polluting oceans.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we got to Austin and Shep sitting somewhere talking about it. And Austin's like, like, well, let me be the first to start out by saying that I was very pleased, obviously, that the two of you came to dinner. And Shep was like, gosh, yeah, I said everything I wanted to say. Cut back to. Cut back to this awful moment where he's, you know, talk. Talking to Sienna.

[Ronnie Karam]

We could have babies. Wait. We could have little children that look kind of like you and kind of like me and. Yeah, but you never let her say what she wanted to say. And then she's like, I didn't know you ever thought this. And I was like, damn it. Because it's like. It's, like, only been, like, a long weekend every time we hang out, you know? So maybe she just didn't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we go back to the. The party side of the table, and Madison's like, okay, Sienna, I have a real question. She's like, okay, are you and Shep actually together? And Sienna's like. She, like, takes a sip. She goes, as of right now, which, by the way, you already know the answer is no. If the answer is as of right now, question mark. And mat, yes. And, you know, Sally's like, are you exclusive? Can you hook up with other people? And Sienna's like, can you kind of get. Can you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can you, like, kind of give blowjobs in parking lots? Is that still acceptable?

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you ever been to the ground round? So what was the name of that place that she went to give the blowjob? The Grand Republic.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Grand American Round.

[Ben Mandelker]

Grand American.

[Ronnie Karam]

Grand American.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Sienna goes. She's like, well, Shep and I never had that conversation in the first place. And we never said we were gonna be in a relationship, and we never said we're going to be exclusive. And we never even said really, anything. I didn't get to say anything. He just did all the talking. So are we together? Maybe. I don't. I don't know. But what I do know is that I just wish this was a time where we could all come together and realize, at the end of the day, we're all people and we can all just get along.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Taylor's like, I think that Shep has probably imagined a lot of this relationship, and I'm enjoying it as a bystander. So then we cut back to Austin, and Shep. And Shep's like, whoa, are we gonna, like, wait and see? You know, getting to know you again. You know, what are we gonna do? And she goes, yeah, this discussion isn't over. She's like, I want to talk about our future.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gosh, it was very adult, which was strange for me because I'm a little boy, and it was very respectful. And then, you know, fucking wouldn't you know it, we are walking over here, and I'm like, I really miss you. And she's like, I miss you too. And then we cut to the footage, and it's Shep saying, did you miss me? And she goes, I'll see. She goes, well, I miss you. And she goes, I'm sure you do. What is it with the men? The show with their unreliable narrators? Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right. I just want to win over. Win her over again, you know, like all those other times I wonder over when she wouldn't text me back after seeing me for two days. And he goes, I'm just so into her. And Austin's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, my mouth is saying a lot. And if you could read spit, spit language, you'd understand, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't read it, but I feel it all over my face sauce. And's like, well, I just wish I could see a conversation between them because it just seems to me that Shep is not the best at picking up signals. So then Sienna is telling everyone, like, yeah, we're.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, we're both. You know, Shep and I, we're just so similar, both in terms of being non committal. And it really works for us because when she says non committal, it's kind of like, yeah, I'm not committing to him in any sort of way.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's pretty clear. And so Shep's like, what's happening, guys? And so he's like, well, we think that maybe she's good for you. So. And they all start laughing. And he's like, guys, let's just not grill everybody, please. Especially dogs, okay? Shep, don't. Craig don't really know what that meant. Well, Ship, she checked out to everything you said, your timeline, what you want in life, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Cause you're both non committal, right? And then everybody just freezes. And the girls start cracking up. And Austin's mad. He's like, jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. How we disrespect the male. So stable.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I didn't mean to say that. It's like a blow job in the parking lot of Harris Heater just happens sometimes. So then it's fleeting.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's fleeting, but it happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, oh, gosh, you talked. And so, yeah, And Massie goes, I mean, we're not just gonna look at her. I mean, Sienna, it's a pleasure. And so Craig's like, cheers, Sienna, thanks for having us. And thanks for coming, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, God, she's probably a serial killer. Terrible energy. So now they decide to go up to Madison's room and party. And guess who else took off the camera crew. Because we don't see any of this. We just jump to the morning. I want to see the girls talking shit about Shep. Why do you keep cutting out the girls?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I want to like, see the girls having fun and bonding. Like, it drives me nuts. Now listen, the dynamic, the Shep Austin Craig trio, that drama triangle is. I love it. It's such a great. It's so great to watch it. But we need to see our women too. Like, I'm sorry, We need to see them partying, we need to see them bonding. We need to see them having fun times because it's just what's right. So in terms of storytelling, I mean, it's right in terms of, yes, social dynamics. And we should be seeing like women should be getting do all the right things, but also like, you're telling a story in those characters. So flesh out everyone that we're seeing, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then Taylor is asking Molly if she's gonna be ready for flamingo yoga, and she is. And Molly's asking how last night was and asking if the Sienna stuff was awkward. And Taylor's like, it wasn't awkward at all. But cut to last night, Taylor asking Shep where Sienna was while they were partying in the girls suite. And Shep is like, oh, yeah, she went, she went home because she, oh, Sienna had a stomachache, so. So she had to go home. And we see footage of her being like, yeah, yeah, I. I can't. I gotta get. I gotta go. My stomach hurts. Is sick upset. Gotta go.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been trying not to vomit since I got here, so hope you don't mind. I'm just gonna go. He's like, oh, really?

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[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, gotta go. And then we cut back to the suite and Madison goes, yeah, she don't like you. He's like, gosh, I guess I'm going to bed now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he gets. He's like, all like, you know, now the foot is rattling, right? So Taylor's like, I'm not gonna back to present. Taylor's like, I'm not gonna be one of those people that's like, you know, karma. But he's tasting his own medicine. And I'm like, yeah, it doesn't taste great.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you are the person that's gonna say karma. You're just gonna word it differently, lean into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Madison would lead into it. That's what I say. I would say I am going to be the person that says karma. And now you. Now look. Now look what you got. Ha. I would totally beat that person.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Austin's sleeping, so Shep comes and jumps on him, and he's like, why? Why are you doing this? Why? He's like, oh, because I have to tell you, I woke up early. Good, asleep. But I sent a text right when I woke up, and he's like, oh, God. What'd you say? Shop? What'd you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, all right. The piano player is, like, getting onto the bench, like, all right, everyone, I'm ready. Don't worry. I'm here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just let me know. Let me know when my services are needed, because I know we're about to read a text. All right, so it starts. I said, good morning, Sienna. Listen, I love seeing you, and no one else makes me feel the way you do. No one. But I'm not going to try to convince someone that they love me for three days. And you're like, oh, my God, this is good. Especially when I know that deep down they do. It's like, no, no. When they don't listen to the Bonnie Raitt song. I can't make you love me if you don't not. I can't make you love me if you do. It doesn't work that way.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, here's hoping that you understand my feelings and exalt them. Exalt my feelings? Who talks like that? I just don't feel this way almost ever. I know that you agree and feel a lot of what I do, because I've heard it from your perfect little freckled lips in my head. The same time you told me you wanted to have my babies on a beach. Small little freckled lips.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now you're just, like, infantilizing her. It's just like, so. It was so cringy when I saw.

[Ronnie Karam]

You get on the bus to school. I said, I can't wait to fill her lunchbox. Like, how much creepier are you gonna fucking get?

[Ben Mandelker]

Kisses for my Sienna. Butterfly kisses on those pretty little freckle lips.

[Ronnie Karam]

And those around us can say and think what they will, but we will have the last laugh, and we will love. Laugh together and literally everything that matters. Live, laugh, love. Okay, wait for it. Wait for it. My TED Talk is over. Yeah. Youthful. Youthful reference. Youthful reference.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stuck the landing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh, he just laughs so hard at his own TED Talk joke.

[Ben Mandelker]

And also go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Oh, God. No, wait, hold on. P.S. just from one of my favorite poets. One way or another I'm gonna find you I'm gonna get you, get you, get you, get you One way or another okay, stop. Just stop, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, wait, there's more.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's more.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay? And then I said, hey, I just texted you, and this is crazy, but you have my number, so text me back maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, you're making me cringe for you now, chef. Dude, I respect your vulnerability. I mean, that's for sure. You are vulnerable. Do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Vulnerable. Well, she hasn't answered, so. That's okay. She understands what a TED Talk is. Because if she doesn't, it doesn't quite make sense. And maybe I should send another text, right? I'll send another text. I'll say, hey, there, pretty little freaking lip person. You know what a TED Talk is? It's when someone like me bares their soul in front of an audience, but teaches you things. Do you feel like you've been learned? You've learned something from me? Okay, my second TED Talk is over. Wait, does the joke now make sense? Because now go back and read the first text. It'll make more sense. It'll be funnier. And then I think you're gonna love me now. Okay? Let your emotions free. Signed, TED Talk person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shop just over here. Waiting on a tiny, round red carpet for you to text me back. So Austin's like, wow, I wish he would have asked me before he decided to send this. I mean, unbelievable. Unbelievable Madison. But I want to shrivel up and die for him, okay? I want to fucking evaporate. And then they just show him evaporating from his chair. They make him disappear in his chair. I want to evaporate into the Bahamian sky.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, she faked a stomachache, man. I'm just gonna do that right now. No, no, it was mid. Look, Brooke's. Gosh, it was midnight when we were dumbed and she wanted to go home. I mean, admittedly, it was midnight. In London. So it was only about 7pm here, but still it's midnight somewhere, right? She had to go home. And they're like, no. And then we go back to the flamingo yoga, which was. It's basically Taylor and Molly and Rodrigo doing yoga. And the flamingos are just walking among. I love the flamingos because the flamingos were as judgy as we are. We're like, really, really doing yoga. Taylor, why don't you just be better on this show? You're one season too long. You should just left last season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like, the flamingo just said, have some self respect, Taylor. And also the other flamingo said, nice to see you actually get out of bed today, Molly. So wait a minute.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like that one flamingo that walked by Molly and just goes, tuba, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's a wacky scene. And then Venita arrives at the hotel with Whitney and Ryan, and they get their little wristbands, and they're like, who gets solo rooms? I think that Whitney gets a solo room, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

I couldn't tell if they got solo rooms, but are in the same suite. I'm not sure. But they got solar rooms and they got, like, wristbands. And he's like, oh, mother, will this wristband detect a heartbeat if I have a heart attack?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Venita's talking to the girls, and they're hungover from champagne. And Sally's like, yeah, I've just had so much champagne, I don't normally drink that. And she goes, oh, well, you better learn bunking with Madison. Cause champagne's your only option, honey. Okay, Charles, try on the sweater. Charles isn't here, sugar. Charles, put on the sweater. He's not here. Hold on. Let me talk to my plant. Where's my plant? Your plant's not here, Vanita. Oh, my God. Somebody get her a crutch.

[Ben Mandelker]

She just puts a leash on a pillow. You're my new Charles.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's putting a sweater on the pillow. Oh, God, she's really lost it.

[Ben Mandelker]

She cooked branzino for the pillow. So over with the guys, it's like, wait a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

That pillow just broke up with me. Oh, God damn it. You really have terrible luck.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, is that pillow JD or is it Charles? Little bit of both.

[Ronnie Karam]

So back to the guys. There's a tray of food out in the hallway, but Austin can't get it through the door. So he's like, oh, Craig, I'm not gonna do it for you. You can do it yourself mostly. Cause I can't really Figure out. God, I understand what it's like being Kyle Richards right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's rough. It's rough. Yeah. And Shep is like, by the way, Garsh, I need to read you the text I sent to Sienna this morning. Craig's like, you sent the text that you sent to Sienna? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to read it to you. Okay, here we go. Second time's the charm. Good morning, Sienna. No one else makes me feel the way you do Yada, yada, yada. Pretty little. Pretty little freckled lips. It's a rare thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Very rare at the rare.

[Ben Mandelker]

Actually, we get more details this time, because I think the first time was the abridged version. Now we hear things like, it's a rare thing. It's very rare. The rarest thing on earth and the most beautiful and pure things. Okay, I'm gonna stop, but can we please follow our heart? We will have love, laughter, and literally everything that matters.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait for it. Wait for it. Okay, my TED Talk is over. Use boat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Youth boat. Has she responded to you yet? No, she hasn't, But I think that she's still probably swooning over me when I said, it's a rare thing. The very rare, rarest, rarest, rare, rare thing in the world, Love.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Craig's like, look, your sentiment's beautiful, chat, but, like, it is what it is, you know? It was a good try. It was a valiant effort. Hey, why do you sound like Austin all of a sudden? God, don't put that on me. I'm the sensitive. I'm the sensitive one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not gonna lie to you, because this shouldn't have to be as forced as it is. You know? I'm like, yes. Oh, you're. Oh, I thought he was talking about him and Paige. Sorry. He was talking about Sienna. But I agree. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I don't know how Shep doesn't get it. Like, you shouldn't have to explain to someone you just started to see why you should be together. I guess he put the you just started to see as the caveat, because I really wish they had put all of the Naomi clips in here, because they're good. What do you mean, break? We have. There's, like, literally no reason to break up. Don't be stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

You shouldn't have to explain to someone you just started to see or someone you've been seeing for two and a half years that you've now abducted and brought to a bee farm why you should be together and have babies. It's that simple.

[Ronnie Karam]

You shouldn't have to force someone to love goats. They should naturally love goats.

[Ben Mandelker]

You shouldn't have to lure your girlfriend to. To visit you by putting a little desk next to a cricut machine. It's just that simple.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I put it out there. I said what I needed to say and stopped her from saying, well, anything that she could say. So, you know, that's important because when we were dinner last night, it was electric. It was electric. I felt a little from her, but she won't admit it. I mean, her phone just kept buzzing, buzzing, buzzing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that why you kept on saying, boogie woogie woogie woo? Yes, precisely. Craig, Craig, you're huge on closure. And I mean, if this is closure, then that's fine. I'm willing to accept it. If this is the end, I'm willing to accept it. Gosh, I'm not willing to accept it. No, it's not closure. It had to have been opened in the first place for it to be closure. Ship. That was a let's run away and get married message from you. And then they all laugh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, you're still gonna have fun today with us, right? And he's like, okay, gosh, today is my day where I stand around and be super, super sad. Hold on. Watch me do it right here in front of this window as I stare at the sea. I was like, what are you, the old man of the sea? She's not into you. Stop trying to make this happen for us. I'm not buying this for two seconds.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then. So now they're talking about, like, the Vanita, Madison, Sally are at the beach, and they're like, it is hot outside of God. I would love to go on that boat. I'd love to be like, get me on that boat. So I get air conditioning. They start talking about JT and showing up and everything. And Vanita's talking about how he missed his flight and all that. All that stuff. And Madison is like, look, this group is about my friends. And I'm not being a mean girl. I'm not. I'm really not. But I mean, if JT wants to come and blow things up, I'm locked and loaded and ready. I brought three extra cobs of corn today.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm taking him down. I'm taking him down to Chinatown. I liked when she goes, yeah, I want to get on that boat. Hey, Sally, go shake your tits. So he's like, God, why me? You're Sally, go do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Earn your called the SS Great American. Now go do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, JT also missed his flight, so he's not going to be there. So then we go back to the boys. Shep is going to go snorkeling, and they're. The other group is going to go to the Fish Fry. And Sienna says she's going to come to the Fish Fry. And we see clips of her being like, fish fry. That sounds so fun. That's right next to the Bahamian Sbarro. Okay, great. Yeah. Not touristy at all. I'll totally be there. Can't wait.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And I was like, wait, what? And Shep is like, yeah, Gar, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not gonna be there.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm go snorkeling. Wait, what? And Craig's like, well, she can go snorkeling with you. Why would she not, like, want to hang out with you? Because she's. All the women are independent. Go to Fish Fry.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're like, wait, so we're separating on a friend trip? Some of us are going to a fish fry. Some of us are going snorkeling. You're going snorkeling, but your girlfriend's gonna come on the Fish Fry? And he's like, yeah, totally natural. Okay, well, why wouldn't you go on the Fish Fry? This is so stupid. So why wouldn't you just go on the Fish Fry so you could be around her? He's like, whoa, God, we're our own people, guys. This is so sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Craig, don't be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't be all cutthroat. That's not who you are. And then Austin's like. And then he's like, you guys can talk to her and be friends with her and bring her into the group, and then she'll see it's a cool group. She'll want to be in the group. And when she's in the group, she'll see that I'm kind of like, the leader of the group. And when she said, I'm the leader of the group, she's gonna love me. Oh, sorry, another TED Talk. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Youth refunds.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Austin goes, yeah, I think that's a really good move, Shep. I was trying to be supportive. And he's like, yeah, you know what? I don't like kicking somebody when they're down. Okay? I love the phrase, please. You're one of the men on this show. That's all you do. And granted, it's very fun. I've been watching the show for nine years now. Don't stop. So it's like, especially a friend kicking another friend, you know, it doesn't sit right. It doesn't sit right with. Unless we're ganging up on Shep to, like, not speak to him at the reunion. You know, stuff like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Literally. Literally. Austin, Craig, and Shep are like the Rockettes all coiled up on each other. All you do is kick each other. It doesn't sit right with me. So Craig is like. He's like, look, you can continue to enable your delusional friend or tell them how it is. I'm not pumped that Sienna doesn't like you, but she doesn't like you. And, I mean, why would you want us to be friends with her? Because she's a really good person. And, I mean, despite the way she makes me feel, a little boy with a broken heart, you know, but she also made me feel really good. And they're like. And he's trying to say this. He's trying to be like, no, she's really great. Everything's great between us. And he's sitting there, and his. His foot is just, like, right in the center of the camera. Like. Like, things are blowing off of. Off of, like, surfaces. And, like, papers are around the room as this, like, current of air is coming out of his foot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Craig's like, yeah, but, like, look, you know, I am, though, like, if someone's not making you feel nice, I don't want to be fake nice to that person. And Chef's like, what? Sienna called. Oh, my God. Santa called Santa. Oh, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go talk to her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sienna, go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Live. Live, love, live. I'm just a boy. A boy standing in a baby cradle who wants babies that look like you. Wait.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gosh, guys, hold on. Sienna's calling. Wait, listen to this. Hold on. Hello? Ted here. Get it. And I'm talking.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, well, yeah, about the fish fry. I don't really know if I want to take that down. Okay, you're not into tech talks. How about Teddy swims? You can come snorkeling. She's like, no, I just. Like, I'm sick, and I just. I drink alcohol, and I don't drink. And I just. I just know.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the entire concept of you makes me nauseous, so I think I'm gonna pass on this one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, okay. No big deal, you know? I mean, that text I sent you, right? That was pretty. The epic, Pulitzer winning, poetic. I don't know. Choose a word. Choose a word. And she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, about that text. It was really intense and I do want to talk about it. It was really intense. Now. Don't do it now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't do it now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, fine. Well, I'm going to be over here saying, pretending like I'm puking. Okay, well, we'll talk about when I see you. We can go out on the boat and have a big day, a fun day. See, I'm not clingy. I could spend a full 24 hours without talking to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Woo. And she's like, yeah, okay. So he's like, okay, well, I'm just gonna hang with the crew and not feel any sort of way. Okay, so this is more proof that this girl does not give a crap about being on this show. Everybody's saying she's using Shep to get on this show, but what is she using him for? She wanted. She even got a scene. I feel like the producers were like, okay, she clearly hates Shep, but we want to know more about her, so we'll just send her with a friend group and not Shep. And she's still like, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I'm not going that fish fry place. I don't feel like having diarrhea all day long. I. By the way, I want to go that fish fry place. That looks so good. I've just. Now I want fried fish. Unfortunately, the fried fish place that's right near me closed, which makes me really sad. So RIP Craven claw.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was called Craven claw. Well, there's your first. There's your first hint.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it used to be called. It used to be.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like a Harry Potter themed fish fry.

[Ben Mandelker]

It used to be called. Wait, what? It used to have the most ridiculous name. Before that, it was like, it was. Why am I blanking the name? No, no, no. It was creper. It was crepe. It was like, I'm so crabby or something like that. Why am I blanking on the name? Listen, if you're. If you. The first rule of opening up a fried fish restaurant is you have to give it a ridiculous name. We all know that. We all know that, dear Crabby.

[Ronnie Karam]

So chef's like, well, I think there's something so special that we had that, you know, like, how could you ignore it? How could you turn away from it? I, a rational guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gorge. Yeah, I'm totally chill. This is reminding me. Honestly, this is giving me PTSD to my own awful behavior. Once. I'm not going to lie, I once went down like a Shep path back in 2001, when I moved to Los Angeles, I didn't have any friends, and I was new to the city, and it was, like, exciting new time. And I met the guy who played Jan, Jan, the cheerleading man from Bring it on at the gym. And he was so cute, but he was also, like, famous, and he was nice to me. And then I'd run into him at the gym, and then we became friends, and I was like, oh, my God, it's all happening. I have a. I have a friend, and he's, like, famous, and he's gonna bring me into these cool circles. I'm gonna hang out with all these cool people. And I would call him all the time to hang out, like, so much. Where it became like. It became actually. It wasn't like an obsession, but it was like a. It was like it was too much. It was like what Shep was doing. It was too much. It was like, clearly this person was, like, sliding into something psychologically that I needed. And then. And he just, like, you know, clearly he was like, whoa. You know? And then eventually I stopped. Eventually I was like, okay, I gotta get a grip. And I also made friends, and I sort of came back to reality. But I always think about the time when I. When I was basically non stop calling Jan Jan, the cheerleading man from Bring it on. And it's like the most mortifying thing I've ever done in my life. And I'm very OC Guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess that was a different.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no, no. Ben McKenzie. I was just normal friends with him. He just ghosted me because he became famous. But like, Jan, Jan the cheerleading man, I was like. I saw my future of what my life in LA could be. I was like, I'm gonna be swept up into this group. I'm finally gonna be with the cool kids. I'm finally gonna be accepted. It's gonna be amazing. And I just got so obsessed with that notion that I was like, you wanna hang out? Oh, well, it's been two hours. Maybe you didn't see that. I called. I'd call again. It was crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, well, that's. You know, I think we've all been in these positions, right, where you like somebody more than they like you and you end up embarrassed, and years down the line, you kind of think back on it. We were children, you know what I mean?

[Ben Mandelker]

The other thing is, I was 22.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was 46, and this girl is 26. So that's like a huge difference because it changes the levels. It's not just a normal thing. It's like him trying to impose his will on some young girl. It's creepy. Like, it's just creepy. The other stuff, I mean, I think that's, like, totally. That's cute. That's actually really cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

Me, like, me with Jan. Me, like, I'm, like, hanging out with him. And, like. Well, for a moment there, I was sort of in, like, that little young Hollywood circle, you know? I don't remember if you name some people. I'd be like, oh, yeah, that person and that person. And, like, his wife, Kyler Lee. And I was like, it's all happening. I have famous friends. I'm gonna be on you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Text him like, whoa, it's cold in here. There must be some Toros in the atmosphere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I right? Well, the most embarrassing thing I said was, kirsch your pretty little freckled lips. Let's hang out tonight. Don't deny her friendship. So now my TED Talk is over? No, it's like. It's like I. I'm, like, cringing right now. Like, even just talking about. I'm like. It was so. It's so, so, so embarrassing. But again, like you said, kids. And I was like. Also, I was like a closeted, you know, person. New in the city, whatever. But Shep is old, and he shouldn't be acting like this. It's one thing if you're, like a. If you're young, newbie in the city and don't know everything. The world is exciting and crazy, but when you're just, like, an old fart, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't obsess over Sienna.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's gross. Oh, so this is the part where Shep is now destroyed, and he's sitting out looking at the sea, the old man of the sea. He's like, yeah, guys, I'm just in uncharted waters. No, you're not.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're not. You're not.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you're not. She doesn't like you. Okay? So, yeah, Craig says she should have texted you back and said, I love you, too. Like, I mean, come on. Like, don't let it fuck with your day. He's like, it's not. It's not. The point was I was gonna have a big victim vacation so girls and bars would feel sorry for me and I can continue get laid for the next five years to go off that goodwill. So I think it's working, guys. Just let me sit here and pretend to almost cry for a little bit.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to girls suite, and everyone's getting ready. Some people getting Ready to go snorkeling, and some people are gonna go the fish fry, and then the snorkel people are in the van, and Shep is like, taylor, you expressively said you want to go to the fish fry, but now you're snorkeling. What the hell? Taylor's like, well, I'm choosing water over food because I realized if you get. If you drown today, I want to.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, we froze. Sorry. We froze.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, gosh, I still see you.

[Ronnie Karam]

We froze at 104. Sorry. Christina, cut it out. Okay, go from the part where I guess you just finished Taylor's line where.

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor said, I'm choosing water over food.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Oh, well, that's a good call. Good call. That way we don't have to talk to anybody, right? We can just stare at marine life, you know? And, I mean, there's just so many fish in the sea. Right, Taylor? Right. Right. Taylor, she's like, came watch you flop around gasping for air. Like, whatever fish we run into. Oh, well, this will be fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you think that fishes can get text messages? Because I really want to profess my love to that big salmon over there.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't wait to try my TED Talks joke out on the angelfish.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now Vanita's talking about stealing all the balmain. That's exciting. So anyway, they're getting into the. They're all gonna head toward the fish fry and everything, and they're. They're getting into the van and stuff, and Craig is like, hey, so fish fry, people. Sienna, she wanted to come to the fish fry with us and not Shep, and they're like, oh, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That's sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, you can. You can. You can speak on behalf.

[Ronnie Karam]

Otherwise, I thought you was done. Okay, well, I feel bad for him, honestly, because, you know, like, I think he's being a little simpy. He's just being a little simple. I mean, he's sad. But honestly, Shep has been digging into my relationship since I met him, and I'm so glad they put this in here, because Shep's like, I'm just such a good person. Intercut with all the times he was an asshole to Madison. So we cut back to 2018, and she's like, why are you getting involved in my relationship? And he's like, oh. He's like, I have every right to gawrsh. You know, I thought you were stronger than the tyrant, but apparently not. Yeah. And you know what? Someday I'm gonna find somewhere that's sunny and Amazing and gorgeous. And she's like, and be alone. Be alone, Chap.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, and be alone.

[Ronnie Karam]

And here we are all these years.

[Ben Mandelker]

Later, by the way, seven years later.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talk about secreting some shit. You go, Madison.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. That's why he's obsessed with her, because she is, like, completing the picture. He literally says he lays it all out, that he wants to be somewhere with sun and white sand, like, in love or whatever. So Craig is like, it's okay to like someone, but then you gotta recognize when they don't like you back. And at that point, you must move on. And I know I would do that. Luckily, Paige really, really likes me a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we go back to the snorkeling van, and they're still talking about Sienna, because no one hasn't, like, literally no one has anything going on. Molly's like, so, has Sienna messaged you? And she's like. He's like, oh, yeah, she did. She did. And I made the decision to take the night off, take the day off. You know, just enjoy myself. Totally my decision. I said, you know what, Sienna? I hope you get a stomachache and stay home. And she did. So. Still in control of the situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know. Wow. I don't know. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Because there's just. There's just like, a strange energy. I don't know. You. You got me as. As to what we're. What it's all about. Like, but I'm not gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, don't water plants like that don't bring beauty. Right. If that makes sense. You know, it's like that old saying. Don't, don't. Don't touch poison ivy if you're not gonna grow it in your home garden. Right. Gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't water plants that don't bring beauty. It's not your plant. Stop watering other people's plants.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're watering gravel. It's not flowering for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Taylor tries to keep going with this. She's like, yeah, like, sometimes you're watering a plant that just needs to be repotted.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It needs a bigger pot, you know? And Molly goes. Sometimes the hermit crab outgrows its shell. Come on, Molly. It's gotta stick with botany. Come on. You can't bring it to hermit crab.

[Ronnie Karam]

It really makes sense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Penalty. Penalty flag.

[Ronnie Karam]

Molly's like, yeah, I think it somehow makes sense to me, but I don't know. So then they go snorkeling, and it's really pretty. You know, they have fish charts. That's Ryan's line for the thing. He's like, guys, they. They. They have fish charts. We can see the kind of fish that we're going to be shopping for.

[Ben Mandelker]

Looking at guys, it says that there are nurse sharks. Are the nurse sharks gonna kill us? Like, no. They're actually really, really nice sharks. They're like puppies. Poor Ryan, he's terrified.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. And he looks so cute, too, that we don't know anything about this man. So now the other group is having food, and then we see Craig talking about how great it was back living in the Bahamas.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because he's so. He's. Yeah, because they're. They order chicken in a bag. And when he starts talking about living in the Bahamas, they keep cutting to Austin just, like, looking down at his napkin or something. But it's kind of like a moment because they want to be like, look, Austin doesn't even want to listen to Craig's story. He wants to look at his napkin. But it's also, like, to be fair, Craig has probably talked about living in the Bahamas a million times every week since 2018. That was, like, his whole thing for the longest time. Like, back in the Bahamas, I would wake up in the morning and go to sleep at night. Back in the Bahamas, to get places, I would get into a car back in the Bahamas.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Sally's like, well, I think the boat ride's gonna be fun if that works out tomorrow. And he's like, well, I just don't think Sienna should come. She's like, yeah, she gave us bad vibes. Because, yeah, I don't wanna go in on her too much, even though I went on her when I woke up and then went on her on the ride here. And then I'm now gonna go in on her again. Again. But, like, I've never felt the energy of a person I felt coming off of her. Like, I never, ever met someone with that energy. And then we see a clip of her coming in going, hi. And him going.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like. When she walked in the room, I, like, panicked. I poured, like, champagne because I thought we were gonna hang out. And then I was like, I need to go fix the reservation downstairs. She was out of control.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a monster. So then the snorkeling crew is now talking after snorkeling and stuff. And they're like, oh, that was so fun, Ryan, you know, I guess. Or who. I don't care. So Ryan's like, we did this because of you, Shep. This is a great trip. So thank you. And Shep's Like, I don't know about that. Please don't remind me. I'm here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Chap, does this. Does this beach remind you of any beaches in Vietnam? Is that gonna make you feel better? No. Molly's like, well, look, we're on this beautiful beach. Things are great right now. And Taylor's like, please don't remind me that I'm here. And Shep's like, I just. I'm having a hard time. And Molly goes, cause of Siena? No, because of global warming. It just all of a sudden hit him. Of course because of Siena. Molly.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Taylor's like, yeah, well, this ain't my circus anymore, but I just hope this is a wake up call to maybe date people his own age. How old is Taylor?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, why don't. You were part of that too?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's 30. Oh, okay. So you're four years different. Huge difference, Taylor.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Somali is like, yeah, getting old. And then so Shep sees, like, a stone. He's like, what is that? And Ryan's like, I think it's a silver dollar. Oh, gosh. Coral or something. And he's like, you think I can skip it? Like, no. How many times do you think I could skip it? So then he goes off to the ocean and, hey, Taylor, this is where.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna prove you wrong. Cause Taylor's like, no, you can't skip it. It's gonna fall right into the water. I'm right and you're wrong. He's like, oh, I'm right and you're wrong. What about that? She goes, no, I'm right and you're wrong. It's gonna hit the water and go straight in. And then Molly goes, actually, you're a little high above the water. You need to adjust. And she goes, don't help him. Taylor's like, don't help him. And then he skips it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And the audience is like, boo. Fuck Taylor for not having more faith in the skipping stone. What a bitch. What a miserable ice queen bitch. Next time, support the stone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is this the part. Maybe this is later. I don't remember. But is this the part where Molly's like. I mean, like, Shup deserves, like, better. Like, I could be. I could be into him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, Shup deserves someone who gives a shit. Like, someone who wants to support your stone skipping. Someone who's gonna give you tips. Someone's gonna lift you up like Josh Gro. Make sure that stone gets three hops before it plunks into the water and hits a. Hits a little fish. Clownfish on the forehead. And gives it. Gives it brain damage. So I just. There was again, there was something so funny about this. A. That Molly, like, that this skipping stone moment was like. It was like a ab test between support and no support. But also it was like, poor Shep is heartbroken, so he's gonna stand by some water and skip stones. It's like, oh, God, get over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's sep. Shep being mature. I'm gonna skip some stones. So then at the other place, Vinita's phone dings, and we find out that JT has landed. And they're like, wow. Well, I hope he got some little airplane wings on the plane. That's what they give little boys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did he get his wings? That was so funny. And Shep is like, shep. Shep says that he's excited for JT and then Austin back at, I guess, at snorkeling, but then Austin back, and fish fry is like. Like, well, Shep is just feeling all sorts of something. And Finn is like, well, have you guys seen him infatuated with someone like Sienna before? And, like, never. I've never seen him like this. I just hope he doesn't spin out. And Austin's like, I'm walking away.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, oh, Craig. God. He's like, what? Tell me. I didn't mean to say something bad. He's like, I understand. No, dude, you know what? It's not cool, man. It's not cool, okay? Because, like, you really. He wants it. He really wants it. I'm very angry. And so Austin's like. You know, Craig says that he's always rooting for everybody, but I have far more empathy than Craig does. I love that it always comes down to a competition on the show. It's not really even standing up for Shep. It's just like, I'm the pathetic one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he's like. Because I know the underlying tones of him saying that, and, like, the underlying tones are like, I hope that Shep doesn't turn back to the bottle, because then he doesn't have, you know, control of his emotions. And I have. I have control over my emotions because I'm like, a man, everything. Oh, yeah. Right, Right. Yeah. You totally have all the control of your emotions. Only if you have the biggest room possible. It's insane right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and that's a very good point. You know? And Craig is kind of blind to his own behavior at all times. I think it's kind of funny. He's like, I just wish people could control their emotions like me. Cut Back to yesterday. 30 year olds don't have to share rooms. I'm rich, idiot.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Craig is like, you have to tell Austin, or he'll be like, oh, Austin goes to the bathroom. And then. Then they're talking about like, do you want to go to another bar? And everyone's like, yeah, well, Craig was. Craig proposes going to another bar, but then he's like, but you guys have to be the one to tell Austin. Otherwise he'll be like, why do we always have to do what Craig wants to do? Which is kind of funny. So they go to another bar and they get some drinks, and there's a whole bunch of like. Like rum or something on top of one. And Madison's pouring out. They're drinking. So anyway, Craig and Madison go off to talk by the. By the beach. And Craig's like, it's just like, you know, I haven't gotten to talk in so long, and I feel like life in Charleston for the group has just gotten, like, real fractured. I'm like, yeah, well, you moved out to the suburbs, so, yeah, it is a little fractured. You're not there anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, yeah, you don't hang out with your friends. You tried to dump Shep last year and kind of Austin this year. So listen, I'm not even saying you were wrong in that. I was kind of on your side in that stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but don't act surprised that then it's, like, fractured.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Madison's like, I know. And he says, well, like, things haven't been the same with me and Austin since all this started. Yeah, but y'all are like brothers. Yeah, but he doesn't like me, though. Like, I just don't know why he hates me. Maybe because last week you tried to fucking take his business away from him for $30,000. Like, hello, are you watching the show that you're on, sir?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. He's like, Austin was like, I just want to hang out with you more. And I tried to make plans to golf with you, and you ditched me so you could garden in your backyard. And you put it on Instagram. And now you've tried to buy me out of, like, my own podcast for, like, a low balled number. And he's like, he hates me. I don't know why he hates me. It's like, you can't play the victim on this one, Greg.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's pretty clear to everyone else. So then back at the table, Sally's like, well, where's everybody else? There's, like, literally no storylines and Austin's like, well, Craig and Matheson are down by the water talking. Like, I'm just trying to keep it copacetic. And. Yeah. So then we go back to Craig, and he's like, I can see it in his face. Like, I know he loves me and he doesn't want to hate me, but when he looks at me, I see his face twinge. Well, look, in his defense, his face twinges every second of the day. I've never seen Austin's face not going, yeah, he's.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's very twinge forward. And we see a montage of, like, Craig be like, hi, everyone. It's like, awesome looks away. You guys want to sit at that table? Awesome looks away. So I'm like, why do you hate me so much? Craig, we just went over this. So Madison is like, well, y'all will figure it out. Clearly, the band aid that we put on our relationship is starting to come off rapid. Madison goes, well, I mean, at the end of the day, they're sisters for life, and I think they got to get back together. And, you know, I don't want to shoe sides, but I think Craig. I think that Craig is taking it a little bit too far.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think y'all will always be friends. I mean, as long as there's a television show. He's like, that's good. That's what I want. And so that's it. The saga continues. Will the boys continue to be friends?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who knows? I guess we'll find out more next week. Next week it looks like as the big JT joins the group and gets into a fight with everyone at dinner Scene. So that's gonna be fun to watch. Thanks, everyone for being here. Have a wonderful weekend. Keep an ear out for our traders recap and we will catch you on the next one. Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bye.

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