#2738 RHOP Reunion 2: From Here To Paternity

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2738 – RHOP Reunion 2: From Here To Paternity

Introduction

In Episode #2738 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the second part of the Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) reunion titled "From Here To Paternity." Released on February 24, 2025, this episode offers an in-depth analysis of the intense drama, relationships, and pivotal moments that unfolded during the reunion. Ben and Ronnie provide their unique blend of praise, ridicule, and insightful commentary, ensuring listeners stay engaged with all things Bravo and beyond.

Karen's Absence and Its Impact

The reunion opens with a noticeable absence—Karen Huger's absence from the reunion stage sparks initial discussions. Ben remarks on Karen's missing presence, stating, "I almost feel bad for Karen" ([05:29]). Ronnie adds humorously, "I was kind of hoping Karen would be in prison by this time so that she could watch it from jail" ([05:34]). This sets the tone for the episode, highlighting the ongoing tensions surrounding Karen's situation.

Mia's Outburst and Paternity Drama

A significant portion of the reunion centers around Mia’s emotional outburst related to her paternity issues. Ben describes the reunion as "full of the normal spiciness, but there's also a lot of hilarity, too" ([05:35]). Mia's public acknowledgment of her divorce and paternity challenges becomes a focal point, with Ronnie humorously noting, "She's walking off with these dresses on is so funny because they are like toothpaste being squeezed very slowly out of the tooth" ([07:36]).

Mia grapples with feelings of inadequacy and public scrutiny, stating, "I know that, it's my divorce" ([07:25]). Ben supports Mia's attempts to seek grace, saying, "I want to assure everyone that we have the designated driver for our shuttle" ([07:25]), emphasizing the controlled environment of the reunion despite the chaos.

Relationships and Conflicts Among Housewives

The episode extensively covers the intricate relationships and conflicts among the RHOP cast members:

• Ashley and Giselle: Ashley expresses frustration over Giselle's perceived abandonment, "Ashley has wormed her way into Giselle's heart after all these years, but I still think, given the opportunity, Giselle would ditch Ashley" ([11:21]). Ben concurs, suggesting Giselle might leave Ashley if given a chance ([11:21]).

• Andy Cohen's Role: Andy Cohen plays a pivotal role in mediating conflicts, often manipulating conversations to stir drama. Ben remarks on Andy's manipulative techniques, "It's so perfectly manipulative... they always fall for it" ([09:34]). Ronnie highlights Andy's humor in handling delicate situations, illustrating his influence on the show's dynamics.

• Stacy and Vivian's Fashion Dispute: A major highlight is the clash over fashion, particularly Stacy’s controversial dress choices. Ronnie narrates the tension, "Stacy begged me to exclusively sponsor her event, to elevate it... everyone will soon get your true color" ([46:09]). Ben adds, "She's dead to me. And it's over," showcasing Stacy's deteriorating relationships within the group ([48:09]).

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker: "If you've been struggling with your weight loss journey, it's time you find the best option that works for you through hers" ([00:18]).

• Ronnie Karam: "Hers weight loss is not available everywhere" ([00:35]).

• Ben Mandelker: "We have the designated driver for our shuttle. It's a shuttle after all" ([07:25]).

• Ronnie Karam: "I cannot wait about Severance to start again" ([02:30]).

• Ben Mandelker: "Mia's horrible for that. I mean, hilarious, too, but also horrible" ([08:03]).

• Ronnie Karam: "She's so misogynistic" ([unknown timestamp]).

Reactions and Analysis by Ben and Ronnie

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie offer their candid reactions to the show's events:

• On Authenticity: They often question the authenticity of the show's portrayals, with Ben stating, "This moment did not feel like an authentic moment" ([83:56]).

• On Character Dynamics: The hosts critique the characters' behaviors, highlighting inconsistencies and manipulative tactics. For instance, Ronnie comments on Mia's honesty, "I don't believe that. I don't believe it" ([77:12]).

• Humor and Sarcasm: Their humorous takes provide levity amidst the heavy drama, such as when Ben jokes about Andy's fashion sense, "It's the most funny thing Andy Cohen has ever said" ([86:42]).

Conclusions and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with Ben and Ronnie anticipating future developments in the RHOP saga. They express excitement for upcoming episodes and tease further drama, stating, "We don't want to overwhelm you with information, but as of now, there's so much content coming in March" ([03:41]).

Ben and Ronnie wrap up by encouraging listeners to engage with their content through Patreon and attend their upcoming "Mounting Hysteria" tour, solidifying their connection with the audience.

Final Remarks

Episode #2738 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of the RHOP Reunion 2. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam skillfully navigate through the intricate web of relationships, conflicts, and emotional turmoil, providing listeners with a detailed and engaging summary of the reunion’s key moments.

Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. What you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, they're sure having a pretty entertaining reunion without Karen there. I almost feel bad for Karen.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. It's a really, really good reunion. It's. It's like. And this episode was funny because it was full of the normal spiciness, but there's also, like, a lot of hilarity, too. I mean, like, they were all cracking up there on the stage. It's really good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's been a good one. I was kind of hoping Karen would be in prison by this time so that she could watch it from jail. And because I just wanted the other people to be like, wow, Karen, it's really good without you. And then her just get mad and, like, shake somebody with a tooth, a toothbrush that she'd made into a knife or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

But just imagining Karen with a coffee mug going against the bars. Excuse me, security. Security.

[Ronnie Karam]

Must again. Yeah, she's not in prison, but she is in some rehab center. And I was reading that she. Because her sentencing is her sentencing now. It's like, in a second. It's either it either just happened or it's in, like, it's today. It's right now. Whenever my dad gets Internet back, we'll probably find out what happened to Karen. But they were saying that the judge got piss because her. Her rehab is like a club, you know, it's like massages and facials, and it's not real rehab. It's just like, you know, celebrity vacation or whatever. And it's like, good for Karen, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

You go, girl. Well, according to Fox 5 in DC, Karen Huger is facing sentencing Wednesday. Wednesday.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wednesday, Wednesday.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we'll find out on Wednesday maybe, what will happen to our sweet, sweet Karen Huger. But that's hilarious. Of course, Karen went to, like, a quote unquote wellness center, like Promises Malibu, where she's playing badminton and mahjong all day long. Of course she is.

[Ronnie Karam]

I decree this good mitten. I want this to be a positive experience for everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. I want to assure everyone that we have the designated driver for our shuttle. It's a shuttle after all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right, okay. So here we are with part two, and Mia has just gone off because she's been Called on something pretty light. I mean, I think it was pretty light. Whatever she was called, called out on. But just watching everybody have to get up with these dresses on is so funny because they are like toothpaste being squeezed very slowly out of the tooth. They cannot move. They're like, oh, God. Every time they get up, they're like, o, oh, Lord. So she's walked off. And that last episode ended with one of my favorite sound bites from this show of all time, which is Mia crying. And so all the ladies are looking around, and they're like, what's going on? Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Andy knocks on her dressroom door, and he goes, who else? Now I know who has my normal dressing room, which was kind of his way of being like, who the are you? It also is. Does that mean that Andy did not go around before the reunion and do his. His standard, like, how you feeling today? You ready to talk to people? It means he just sort of showed up, clocked in, and was like, all right, let's do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of course, he doesn't even look up from his phone until they're like, andy read the cue card. But why would they give Mia his dressing room? Why is she getting such star treatment? They're acting like what she did this season is a sin against humanity, which, I mean, it kind of is, you know, using your kids in that way and all that, you know, I think Mia's horrible for that. I mean, hilarious, too, but also horrible. And I can see their point. But then why is she getting this star treatment? Bravo loves people who will throw their children on a train track for a storyline. They're like, you know what, Mia, your son will never recover from this, probably. Here's Andy's dressing room. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this. This is Bravo's version of an Oscar. Andy's dressing room. So Andy's like. Andy is so funny, too. I love watching Andy convince housewives to come back on stage because it's just so, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just. I don't want to say it's insincere, but it's just so hilarious. It's, like, so perfectly manipulative. It's like, the most. It's so easy to see what he's doing, but they always fall for it. He's like, all right, meow. Now, listen, here's the deal. You're beating yourself up right now, and why beat yourself up when there are other people out on stage who can beat you up for you? Okay? So here's nothing worse than, like, a shame spiral. Well, maybe traumatizing your kid on national TV for an entire season. But anyway, I feel like you're in a shame spiral. Give yourself a little bit grace. Come on. Give yourself a little grace.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and he does. Have you ever seen those videos of Andy talking to his kids?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I don't watch children videos.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's driving to the Hamptons or whatever, and his kids are just having a fit in the car. And he's like, why are we doing this? What do you think you're accomplishing right now? You're in a shame spiral. It's kind of the way that he's talking to Mia right now. And poor Mia. It's like she thinks she's gonna get away from it all by running away, but there's, like, knocks at the door, and there's just random guys coming in, taking off their shirts. It's like, what's happening? Oh, sorry. Sorry, guys. I didn't update Grindr. My dressing room's down. It's down now.

[Ben Mandelker]

New location. Yeah, so. So back on the set, Ashley is saying, well, first of all, Kieran is like. Like that. I'm. I'm glad that made the cut. That story needed to be told. Thanks, Kieran. The. The doyen of fascinating content over there.

[Ronnie Karam]

The arbiter of truth over there, the.

[Ben Mandelker]

One who knows what makes for good tv. So then Ashley.

[Ronnie Karam]

What does Greg think about it?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, right? So then Ashley's basically like, if you ever leave me somewhere like that. And she's like, I would never. I'm like, you would 100% do that to Ashley. But that's okay. It's fine. Me too. I still remember season one, Potomac. I still don't believe. I don't. Ashley has wormed her way into Giselle's heart after all these years, but I still think, given the opportunity, Giselle would ditch Ashley.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think so too. So now then, they're talking, of course, about the Miami storyline that they. That Mia had this birthday party and then ditched the two girls that she did invite once they came all the way to Miami. So back to Mia. She's like, I've been a terrible friend, and I know that. And he's like, oh, you're beating yourself up. You pooping your diaper. Okay, you felt bad. You owned it. But we're gonna be at our big house in the Hamptons soon, so give yourself a break, Mia. And she's like, but, like, if I wasn't in, like, the final wings of my divorce, I wouldn't be in the same Spiral right now. It's just that I'm really, actually divorcing. Completely believable. Oh, my God. This is a good blowjob. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please, please.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're in the wrong room. Please.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ashton Giselle are still talking about they would never abandon each other. And Henry's like, well, the fact that you feel ashamed means that you're a good person, that you're the good person we know you are. So give yourself some grace about this Miami thing. Just, you know, take it off.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's done. Okay. I am a good person who's tormented by media. Yeah, exactly. So come back out on stage.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, never feels guilt. Serial killers. So at least you're not a serial killer. Serial killer. Now let's go out there and talk about your new boobs. Possibly. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then everyone else is sort of gathering, reassembling back on the stage. Stacy sits down on the sofa. I guess she doesn't estimate how far the is from her body.

[Ronnie Karam]

They can't move. They cannot move their body. They're just all standing there and they're doing Trust falls onto the couch.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, bloop. So she. That was a long drop, but we made it. So what are the babies going to do while you're here all day? Is Eddie gonna take them somewhere? Wendy, she's like, no, they're gonna come here. Oh, that's right. And Kieran was saying how she dragged Greg up to New York for the reunion. And we cut to Greg's dressing room, we only hear his voice, and he's like, it's 4:52. And she said, come at 1:30. I could have been bopping around Manhattan. Oh, so sorry for those businesses that could have had the. The. The. The privilege of having your attention.

[Ronnie Karam]

Greg, he's out there handing out his social work card to people. Andy and Mia come back and they start again. He's like, welcome back. We're still talking about the dynamic duo of Potomac Gna. Giselle. How is life as an empty solar for you? Excuse me? Yeah, empty nester. You said solar. Did you mean as in solar panels or. No, I meant souls, but it was an accident. Sorry. Slip of the tongue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, life. Life as an empty nester. Well, you know what they say. Life goes on, and so do we. Just how we do it is no mystery. So, you know, it's like Giselle and full throttle. You know, it's like when I dropped off the twins. I finally got home, and I was legit sad for 28 hours. But then Joe Isuzu came over from next door. And then I had Dreyfus. Life is empty nester. Not so bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

One time they said, go see the park. So I went to the park and they said, we met the nurse.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, if it weren't for park overall and Sophia next door.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not sure how to get through this emptiness phase of my life.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he asks about the twins adjusting to college life. And she's like, great. They had a first semester where they both got 4.0s on both sides. And they cut to Mia just being like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why didn't they tens? You know, that's what she was thinking. Maybe if they weren't sneaking boys into their room in the Dominican Republic, they'd get tens. So then Andy's like, all right.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's so stupid and so believable too. Like, you know, that was a train of thought. Like, that's good. Out of how many, andy?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a 10.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're in another shape. Spiral. So Andy's like, so how's your relationship with Jamal these days? And she's like, goodbye. It's like, oh. Because Spooky from Schmookyville says, do you know that why Jamal and his wife dressed up like characters in Wicked for their wedding? They did. And I was like, what? And it turns out I looked up the picture and I. I guess they didn't get the. They didn't get permission to post the photos of Jamal and his wife, which made me really upset. Made me mad at Jamal, actually. Like, let your photo be shown on this platform. But she was dressed in this big pink frilly Glinda dress, and he was in a green Elphaba blazer, so I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kind of hate that they did it before us at the crappies.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, but we didn't know until until right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, and she's wearing, like, a pant. Wow. She's. She's. She made a choice. Let me just say his new wife made quite a choice in this outfit. It is. Should I show it on here?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Since Ron Krappin's on demand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Crap is on demand.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry. For people on audio because we're basically stopping. We're stopping. Any kind of momentum we might be getting by showing you this. But it's important.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is important. This is important.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like it is. Okay, so here it is. Do you see it? It.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's wearing a pants. A bell, bottoms, pants. Pink. This is a huge, huge choice she's making. She looks great. Though. And I love her hair.

[Ben Mandelker]

She definitely looks like she went to that same designer who did, like the reunion dresses for, like three years there. Like all of Nene's dresses, it was that one person who, like, they. Everyone would come on looking like a figure skater, but this is like a pant seat version of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's the outfit. So there you go. I just look at her and I think, wow, I hope you're ready to get cheated on a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because you're gonna say, I hope you're happy now that you chose.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hope you're happy now. I hope you're happy how your husband's getting putang from everybody in church. I hope you're happy that he's impregnated a teenager.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So we thought we were gonna have to wait for Wicked Part 2, but here it is. So we'll.

[Ben Mandelker]

We'll be busting out that song every month.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're kind of making him. You know, they read some tweets from people who are like, work, alphaba. Come on, alphaba. And Glinda, Jamal Bryant looks like he's saying, because I knew you, I've been changed for good in his wedding vows. Wow. Jamal is basically at the end of a Target commercial.

[Ben Mandelker]

Andy. And then I didn't even clock this until I'm reading the notes right now. Andy goes, so who was he? The goat. That's actually really funny. Like, saying jamal was the goat and Wicked. That's one of the funniest things Andy Cohen has ever said. So Ashley is like, he was Elphaba. Wait, he was Alphabet. What, is Jamal a big Wicked fan? No, he doesn't even know what Wicked is. Well, he does now. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Giselle's like, I don't know what possessed him to do that. And Andy asked what the girls thought. They were horrified. Well, maybe because they only got a four in school.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe they should spend more time studying than going to witch school. So Giselle's like, well, he knows now. Yeah. And they were embarrassed and they went to the wedding. The girls went to the wedding, and. And Andy asked what the girls think about the new stepmom. As if anyone in the audience cares about this. And they basically don't. Giselle is very polite and shady, and she goes, well, they still don't know her. Ah, it would be great if there was a relationship, but there just hasn't been one with my kids. Hashtag, she's a bitch.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Beavis and Nam say. Right. They're in a shame spiral, unfortunately. So development's been paused.

[Ronnie Karam]

So is Josh. Are Josh and Ashley still dating? It's like, yeah, you know, we've just lessened it, you know, cut back a little bit because we were just so hot and heavy. So now we're just gonna chill. So we don't have labels.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. But from nums he's headed over. He Nam says that Josh is head over heels for Ashley.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Andy's saying, well, Ashley also told me they that he sent you off to New York's. And Ashley's like, he did. And Giselle goes with what spe with seamen.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they're like a smile.

[Ronnie Karam]

So how does he feel about Wendy's nickname Jack Harlo for Beavis? And she's like, actually Josh was actually very offended by some of the things that Wendy said about him. Oh, for Christ's sake. He's gonna have to toughen up in this group. That's nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. Don't start, don't start banging one of the real housewives of Potomac and expect it to go uncommented on. And so Wendy's like, like he's offended by being called Jack Hollow. No, but the fact that like you said did him was like a lateral move for Michael. And because she said that in her. In her at one point during the season, and she goes, he'll be okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he'll be fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

He'll be fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Ashley's really trying it here. So Wendy's like, who cares? And Ashley says, oh, you have no remorse. He's a very good guy. And his friends have been texting him like, oh, I can't believe she said that about you. And she goes, do you know how many things you've said about my husband? What have I said about your. Your husband? Well, let's start with Ashley willfully bought Wilma that she knew was a lie about my husband on the television. Oh, please. That was a low. You're right. That that was A low down, dirty storyline. But that was Giselle and Robin who did that. And you're gonna completely let them off the hook. Now, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I was okay with Wendy pulling this card because Ash was pulling a card with Josh being offended by Jack Harlow. She was?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, you know what, Wendy? Just pull whatever.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I like that Wendy will go back into the history books and then make this just because she. She's friends with Giselle this season. She's like, oh, really? When you tried to make my best friend Giselle look bad by bringing something up on camera.

[Ben Mandelker]

You mean the blog that someone else.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wrote that I didn't write?

[Ben Mandelker]

You brought it up on national tv. Well, I thought. I. I thought Giselle had done it. And she's like, no, I didn't. Ah. And we see it was that it was actually Ashley who had shown up. But, I mean, it was just a matter of time. It was. It's like, semantics. Like, it was gonna be Giselle and Robin if it wasn't going to be Ashley. Ashley.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, told her to tell her. She's like, you need to tell Wendy this. So she's like, okay, because wasn't this when Ashley was pregnant? And she's like, well, I gotta get in my car because I'm pregnant. But before I go, wendy, everybody says your husband's banging some girl on Reality T. Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was something like that. Or she just had the baby or was about to have a baby or something. So Giselle was like, well, it was Ashley. But I took the blame for it because I was. It was fine. Wendy's like, well, I was mad at Ashley, too. So don't sit here and woe is me. You talk about the father of my children, my husband, the owner and proprietor of Happy Eddie, which is available in all dispensaries nationwide. So sit there and sit with it.

[Ronnie Karam]

The blogger didn't bring it up on a national platform. And. And he's like, okay, moving on. I'm bored with this. You're reaching. You're really reaching. Moving on. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. Moving on. Josh is a great young man. Who says that?

[Ben Mandelker]

My husband is. Yeah, I know, right? And my husband is amazing, and I'm still married to him, so good luck with you and Josh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, well, that's beautiful for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I haven't said about Eddie. I was like, okay, good luck with you. And just. I haven't said about any. You brought rumors about mine. I haven't said about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Wendy's like, well, you bought women's about me, about my husband. Well, is that. He's still a lawyer. Is he still practicing? Yes, he is. I never said that. Yes, he is. Is he? You see what I'm saying? Miserable. So is Ed. Is the big rumor that Eddie's not practicing anymore? Who cares? He's dealing. He's dealing Happy Eddie now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Guilty of making you happy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Happy Ed, you're miserable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Absolutely not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm happy as a clam.

[Ronnie Karam]

And my clam was serviced.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. No, you're not. It clocked your ass. You tried it. Clocked it, tried it. Clocked it, tried it. Clocked it. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. We're done. Okay. By the way, so this season, a former QVC host named Stacy and a med spa owner named. Hold on, was. What's her name again? Are we sure she's on the show?

[Ronnie Karam]

Restylane gave this cast a makeover. Let's watch the clips. Can we fast forward Restylane's parts?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because it's. So we see both of their clips and everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Well, well, K, what's this current status of you and Greg? Asks?

[Ronnie Karam]

No one. K's like, well, me and Greg are still together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, that's great. Thanks for coming to reunions. Great to see you. No, I'm. I'm an actual real housewife. I'm not a friend of. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I guess talk some more about your relationship then.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we're still together. And everyone's like, oh, how nice. Congratulations. That guy's trash. And she's like, yeah, we actually seen some rings last week, so. Yeah, guys. Yeah, I've looked at rings, rings, so. So he's taking you ring shopping? Well, he brought. He googled rings and he showed me some and then he started playing Never gonna Get it, which is our song. That's our song. Yeah. So it's. It's been super romantic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Rang like shut. We went.

[Ben Mandelker]

We went looking at. For rings, and I'm proud to say I'm the owner of a brand new doorbell. So. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. I do have a new ring, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, in Vogue, we'll never. We'll never break up. So that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy. But they do. Andy's like, well, she says that they actually separated. He's like, oh, you did? Sorry, I'm just trying to muster some sort of energy for this segment. Yeah, yeah, we did. And I actually went and, like, got a condo. And then, like, I mean, the process.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of purchasing that and it's just been, like, really lonely.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, oh, cool. Like, that's. That's great. You got a condo that's very on brand for the real housewives condos. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, you know, premarital property, you know, he's like, okay, so are you gonna move back in with him? And she goes, maybe after the ring stops filming me day and night. I mean, Jesus. He put it on the inside of the door, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, he actually won't come over to my new condo because he doesn't like being filmed. So, like, the ring camera is actually more of a problem than we thought it would be.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, at the end of the season, we got to understand a little bit more about why Greg doesn't say much on camera. He doesn't like being filmed. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, no, I'm sure that Greg is like, not the first husband.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, it does feel invasive. And it was like a big transition from being like a friend or like.

[Ben Mandelker]

A full time ass wife and that, like, level of expectation. And honestly, like last year when I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Got guys, did any of those guys find the correct dressing room? Is anybody waiting?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, we got it. He doesn't like being filmed. You know, mole people just got to mole people sometimes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. We actually have a comment from a camera from cameraman that says, ka. Please let Greg know that he may not like the camera, but the camera likes him even less.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Well, you know, I know it hurts him when I say that because, like, you know, he's like, you know, he's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I'm showing up, but like, at.

[Ben Mandelker]

The same time, I just. He just feels like it's like negative. Even though he was there showing up. I'm like, well, you. In life, you can't just show up. Okay. You don't. I mean, yes. People say, like, just showing up. Yeah, well, show up and also be like, fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I. I hate that saying. Like, most 90 of life is showing up. No, it's not. Not everyone. Anyone can show up. I mean, I don't like that, like the lowest standards for anybody. But, you know, she's like, you know, his thing was he looked. He's just uncomfortable all the time. And Andy's like, oh, please. Robin was a cast member on this show for eight years and she did. Or she did nothing but look uncomfortable. It was fine for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. At least Juan Dixon. Juan Dixon hated it too. But at least he made a slight effort, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I meant Robin. But yeah, actually wanted.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I'm Just saying. Juan, too. I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Ending that. I'm. I'm bringing Juan into this. I am so glad that one Dick Citizen here to comment on Greg.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but he can still be. You know, But I'm sorry. To his credit, he showed up and he was uncomfortable on camera. So, you know, we thought Robin wasn't coming back this season, but in a way, she's here. So now, Stacy, people seem to think that your former significant other, TJ had the opposite feeling about the camera. Cameras. He loved the cameras. He actually loved. Actually, he called us and asked if we wanted to film his boob job.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Wendy's like, I'm sorry, you said former. They're not together anymore. We are not anymore, no. Well, I didn't know that. And it's like, were they ever together? Well, as I've said consistently, TJ is one of the best people I know. However, it was just a lot of pressure. And there was also moments that I saw watching the show that were shocking. And on top of that, he did get an extra job on the Pit. So, you know, he's been busy.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I just couldn't date someone when all he would do is walk around going, stat stop. I mean, it's just very. It was very stressful, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

He would say, listen, Stacy, we're putting on a stopwatch, and the next 60 minutes of our lives is gonna be like 60 minutes in the Pit. All right? It's a real time show, and I'm gonna be on it. It was just a lot to deal with.

[Ronnie Karam]

I woke up one night and thought, wow, TJ's finally on top of me. But he had a scalpel, and we was gonna put in a stint. He's very method Andy. It got scary.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have you watched the Pit? People are like, really into the pit. I almost want to watch it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not watching that. I mean, I liked ER when ER was on, but it was at one point with ER, because ER was on, like, 97 seasons or something. And at one point I had to stop because I was like, why am I putting myself through this? It's nothing but pain. I can't. And they're like, oh, wow, the Pit. Er's back as the Pit, and now it's with your least favorite person from er, but older. And I was like, no, why don't I watch that?

[Ben Mandelker]

How dare you insult my former employer? How dare you?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. Wiley.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

You worked for him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I worked at his company, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did I know that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know that's. Where TV Gasm started. I would be. I had. I had nothing to do in the afternoons. And so Joe Foz and I, you know, Joe, want to start a TV blog. And so I'll be writing my recaps there in the office.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. I didn't know that for some reason.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So that kind of makes this podcast, Pit adjacent. So be careful where your bread is buttered.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we do hear that Pit's good. Yeah, I hear it's good. Everybody's loving the Pit. I just, you know, I don't know. I don't. That's depressing, especially as you get older and the hospital is more of a possibility every day. I just know what's depressing about a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Show called the Pit. I don't understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's got such a positive name. I had to go to the emergency room last year. Well, I didn't have to. My. My parents made me because I had really high blood pressure. It was like in 200 something. It was like 240 over. I mean, it was really, really high. And I only found out because I went to the Botox place and I was getting weight loss medication. So they gave me a blood. Whatever they gave me, not a blood pressure test. And they were like, no, Ronnie, you really need to go to the hospital. And I put it off. But I made the mistake of telling my dad this. And I told him at 10:00 at night, well, who shows up at my door? My parents. Like, get in the car. We're going to fucking emergency room. As they drove me. No, they shouldn't have in their state. They should have sent an Uber or something. So they, they. You can tell that they'd been playing cards or something. I mean, there is something fits. I'm not accusing them of drunk. I'm just saying there's been more sober driving. And they sped me down there like Cruella Devel is how they were driving. And they got me to. It was. It was one of those private emergency rooms or whatever. And it was. By this time, it was like 11, 11:30 at night. And the only people on staff there were the new people who didn't have any experience. And my mom was a terror in there. She was like, where is everybody? Where's the fucking service? There's no one even in here. And so they take me back there and the guy's like, oh, we need to give you an IV of fluids or something. And so he kept missing the vein. Granted, I don't work out, so I don't have veins. So he's just like poking around. And then blood started spurting out of my. He missed the vein, I guess. And my mom started yelling at him and he looked like he was about to cry. I never want to go back to an emergency room again is the point. So no Pit. I will pit. And if any of you want to see really depressing drama, call my mom in the middle of late night canasta to take you to the emergency room and see how traumatized you are. I don't want to hear it about pit.

[Ben Mandelker]

What about a. A 24 hour real time medical show that takes place in a med spa instead? Where, like, that's where you found out about the high blood pressure. What about, like, it's called the butte, and it all takes place at Bulab and Laser. And it's like, here's episode one. It's like, did you do wordle today? Not yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm into it.

[Ben Mandelker]

That.

[Ronnie Karam]

That I would watch. Okay. So anyway, we see clips of TJ being kind of an asshole to Stacy or which he was doing right to her face, but somehow it only really bothered her when she saw it on tv. It's like, you know, when I saw it at a different angle, he just didn't look as handsome when he was yelling at me. So I was very offended when I watched it back. And to hear from Arabella and my family, it was just. It was hurtful, Andy. It was hurtful.

[Ben Mandelker]

I still laugh every time she says Arabella. She didn't even say it. We're saying if, but just Arabella. It's just so great. Every time. It was hurtful and when and. And. And it was hurtful for some people to say he was more interested in the trainer than me. I said that. I know you did. I know. And we see Wendy saying in a Bravo fan fest. I just love how everyone. They are all paid. They pay attention to every single word that everyone says at any little event.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, because, you know, they're, you know, people are. You know how fans are, and they're like texting them videos. Like, did you hear what this said about you? You know, because even if they don't watch the whole thing, I'm sure they get the bits that are the most offensive, you know, and that was hurtful.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wendy, because you're my friend and TJ talks to Eddie and you know, they text. You know that they're great, great friends. She's like, not really. But anyway, I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. And as your friend, I will receive that? Absolutely, 1,000%. I'm not apologizing for what I said, but I will receive what you said.

[Ronnie Karam]

And think of me as a mailbox. Think. Think of me as a friendly mailbox. Okay, I received it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I received it. Much as I'm sure TJ hopes to receive more sessions from that trainer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, could you put the little red metal flag up so I could get a response? No, there's nothing in the mailbox.

[Ben Mandelker]

You already had tj. You already. You have enough red flags.

[Ronnie Karam]

So when did you break up with dj? She's like, oh, right around the holiday season, Andy. Merry Christmas to me. Right? Right. Everybody, right? And everybody's kind of rolling around.

[Ben Mandelker]

Very sad Yuletide moments. We were going to be celebrating with non alcoholic eggnog, when all of a sudden TJ got a call that he needed to sub in for a last minute Big Lots commercial to celebrate the holidays. And honestly, I'm not sure I can ever celebrate Christmas in the same way. It was devastating for me, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, wow, you got broke up with him quick or you got a divorce too, right? Wow. Crazy Ashley. That was quick, right? She already got a divorce. Look at you, loser. All right, everybody point it. Ashley. And laugh.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, then. Now point at Mia and laugh. Great, great, great. So, Giselle, this boy in a ball gag.

[Ronnie Karam]

And laugh. What are you doing on stage? Go back to Karen's dressing room.

[Ben Mandelker]

How is your daughter handling it? And Karen goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Arabella.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, Kieran. Excuse me. Me. Stacy, you have the floor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Arabella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. Well, she's. Well, we're doing. We're doing one week on, one week off. And I'm not going to lie, you guys, I'm bored when Arabella's not around, I'm like, who do I talk to? Who do I boss around? I mean, a fern can only take so much punishment.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are still. She is still best friends with tj. She tells us. And Wendy's like, but wait, so nothing's changed because you were best friends with him before and you're best friends with him now. Right? So whatever. This is stupid, you know? So you all weren't having sex then, you're not having sex now. Whatever. I'm your friend. I don't want you to forget that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Stacey's like, yeah. Thanks for wrapping it up, Wendy. Thanks. All right, Can I ask a very personal question? She's like, yes. All right. Did you do everything but have sex? Well, I. I didn't know it was going to be that question. I'm like, it's Andy Cohen. And he says he's asking a personal question, like, you have. You have to get your vagina ready.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, when I say, you know, we were intimate, but what butt sex? No fingers, digits in the butt? No floes? No suckies? No lickies? No.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that Andy is actually filling out his menu for the dressing room. Action in the brick.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're questioning her, like, kind of lingus, anything down below the belt. And Stacy goes, let's just say I wish him well. I wish him well.

[Ben Mandelker]

Abella Wellabella. All right, well, moving on. Dinah from man off, says Stacy, were you just with TJ for a storyline and also to boost his acting career? Because that's what it looks like to me, a real Kenya Walter situation. We. We get a wonderful brief clip of Kenya and Walter back in season five of Atlanta. And Andy's like, yeah, but Walter wasn't as thirsty as tj. She goes, are these fans of the show? Who are these people?

[Ronnie Karam]

Did my mother get a comment through? They are fans. Well, I don't know what to say about that. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So it's a clip talking about, we just see everyone's crazy outfits, etc, you know, specifically, you know, the Kieran's shoulder pads, Wendy's Michelin man outfit, Stacy's wig, things like that. Giselle's, you know, foofy dress. So we come back and Andy's like, is there what? There's a big difference between Whitney and Annie. And now she says, okay, but like, I wasn't included. But the dress that Stacy wore at.

[Ronnie Karam]

The finale, I wore that dress like three months before. Which actually leads to a lot of drama, which I wasn't prepared for. I was not prepared for all of this that happened. So we see a flashback to Strut for Strays where Ashley and Giselle are talking, and Ashley's like, oh my God, I wore that outfit that she's wearing. And she shows her a picture and they crack up and she says, no shade. I mean, you look good in it. You look good and tasty goes, I know. Thank you. Thank you. The fern said the same thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, so the dress was one that Vivian made. Yeah, she's like, made it for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Andy's like, and you made it for you a few months earlier. And was she being shady on purpose by dressing you in that? And Stacy goes, it's a really difficult, difficult situation for me because I've known Vivian for years and we see see them flashback to Port Vivian being dragged into this. And Stacy's like. And I just think it was quite obvious that she was being shady on purpose.

[Ronnie Karam]

So this is from Vivian, everybody. She says, this is on Instagram. She says, thanks Giselle Bryant for asking who elevated who the delusion of it all. Stacy is quickly unraveling her fraudulent self before our eyes. Stacy begged me to exclusively sponsor her event, to elevate it. Her. Her words. And by the way, I introduced Stacy to the Real Housewives of Potomac Group. And this is how she thanks me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Smh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lying. Stacy begged me for that outfit. I Originally custom made that outfit for Ashley for a casual collaborative. Casual collaborative event. I offered Stacy another gown appropriate for her event. It was made out of dogs, and she insisted Ashley's outfit, so I even showed her a pic of Ashley in it. And my staff was present at the time of the conversation. Hey, Stacy. Stacy, you returned all the gowns smelling funky. Smh. Everyone will soon get your true color. Fake. Hashtag phony, hashtag fraud, Hashtag the lies. P. S. Bravo, Andy. I love how you call me Viv.

[Ben Mandelker]

Have me on next time. Well, good for Vivian for standing up for herself. This whole thing. I think this whole thing made Stacy look bad in the. In the best possible way. It's like, aha. Stacy, Stacy. We've. We've known there's more than the good girl act that she's been talking about. And, you know, we definitely got a peek into it with this diva meltdown over the dress. So Andy's yeah. And he's like, so you're really not friends over that? And Wendy's like, yeah, she told me to. That you talk like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would never say that. Oh, yes, you did. I said, so how are you and Vivian? And you took a sip of your drink and you said that. That's what she said. Well, you know, it's just. It's difficult for me because I chose to elevate her and have her be the exclusive fashion designer for strut for strays. I mean, do you know how many designers Christian Siriano, you know, Louis Vuitton were just left out in the cold? Annie Left out in the cold. All for Vivian.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you elevated Vivian?

[Ronnie Karam]

Absolutely.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you not hear that list of designers? And then Kieran's like, but did Vivian need elevation, though? I mean, well, I mean, look, it's not like Vivian is like a major force in Vogue or something like that, but like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she's a major force in Potomac.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's. She's a good. She's admitted. She's. She's been on the COVID of mid Atlantic Vogue. So, you know, I take it all back.

[Ronnie Karam]

She may not be on W, but she's on the COVID of the dmv.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's just. She's just on the COVID She's on the COVID of you, not W. So Stacy is like. She's like. By allowing her to do the things for the event, I was mortified that she would put me in an outfit that one of my colleagues had already worn.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, so that's why you said you. Absolutely. So Andy says, you think she did it? Deliberately. And when he goes, that bitch. That's what she said, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Absolutely. She's dead to me. And it's over. And I feel like they're, like, at this point, all laughing. And I couldn't tell if Stacy was even being serious, because even Stacy seems like she's laughing. And Kieran is like, Detroit 313. That's the CC I shared a room with. That's the real CC, which is true, by the way. I feel like one thing we have not really clocked Stacy for is that every now and then, she does get a Michigan accent that comes through, which I think is so great because she tries to have a newscaster accent. But every now and then, she's like, paging Mary Clary. And I think it's great. I love that little twinge of Michigan coming through.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're all cracking up at her that she's finally being bitchy on the show. And Andy's like, well, you are a real housewife. So have you had your face done yet? Please get it done. I just need to ask about it. You look great, but I would love to ask about it next time. Okay, great. So were the ladies too hard on you about your hair? And in the finale, they mean that wig. And she says that she was expecting a warmer reception because they have borderline hazed me all season. It was so rough. And they're like, oh, come on now. Have you not dished it? So then we see flashbacks to Stacy saying, ashley is a beautiful woman from top to ankle.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Ashley says, by the way, so you can sit up there and be like, oh, you guys have been.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hazing me, but you've been dishing it too.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he goes, okay, well, you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Know, I from Viper said, ashley, when are you gonna prioritize the health of your feet and address those Funyuns? And she's like, oh, my God, everyone's so worried about my bunions. I mean, Karen's the one who's really worried, so I'm gonna put her picture right by my bunions. They're genetic bunions, Karen down there.

[Ben Mandelker]

These are bunions I've had since I was 10. These are, like childhood bunions.

[Ronnie Karam]

They have.

[Ben Mandelker]

They went to school. So then Andy's like, all right, all right, all right. Can I get my own personal thing? I'll. My chest that blue Michelin dire man suit. Oh, God. I have never in 18 years texted a housewife about an outfit. And we see that he texted Wendy to say, we need to discuss this dress, professor.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Wendy wrote back oh, my God, I was so torn on this look I was given. Michelin Man Te hot. She's like, when you texted me, I. You know, I texted you back, I owned it. You know, I knew I was looking like a tire.

[Ben Mandelker]

And, Kieran, you got a lot of attention for your cartoon super villain shoulders. All right, well, they're kind of giving Uncle Fester a little bit. Okay, well, pencil from Sharpeners says, ashley, you look amazing. But the real question is, do you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Want a full shirt?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's either titties out of belly yet. What's the deal, huh? And then she's like, yeah, well, they continue to be. I was like, okay, good. Well, you make a. You. You make a hot guy, by the way. Hot guy. And we see her dancing in drag.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's amazing to see how off rhythm you are as a man as well as a woman. It's pretty impressive. It's pretty impressive that the gender swap didn't help at all. It's like, yeah, Andy, it was wild. And she says her grandma was so proud of her. And even Karen was like, oh, you're making me reconsider some things. Not viol vodka.

[Ben Mandelker]

But most importantly, most importantly, what did Uncle Lump think? What did Uncle Lump. Uncle Lump. All right, all right. Well, area from rug asks. Wendy, I saw an Instagram post where you alluded to Ashley copying your confessional look with the pearls and red hair. Ashley, did you rip off Wendy on purple?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see the side by side of these outfits. I don't think they're the same outfit. They both have similar on them. I mean, they're similar. And I'm glad he pointed out that they're all wearing the same thing tonight, too. Like, they're wearing the same pearl thing tonight, too. So I don't know. I didn't think this was. This was one of them. But when he's like, oh, yeah, they peek through my window at night, Andy. They peek through my window. Okay, well, Heavenly is a huge homo from. From Phobe says Mia, when you were married to Gordon, you were always wearing blazers. And then you got with ink and you started wearing Fashion Nova and stirring up messy storylines.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did Ink bring out a different side of you? And me is like, oh, sadly, way I dress has absolutely nothing to do with the man. I was actually working a corner job, okay? And, like, then I sold my job to work with Ash and over. And he's like, so you sold your job?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, you did not sell your job, ma'am. You were doing pamphlets in a crack the back and Your job was taken from you because you guys were allegedly taking money from the business and using it for. That you shouldn't have been using it for. Allegedly. Allegedly. I didn't say any of this. I read it all in the Internet.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a corporate job. I used my BMA that I got from Harvard School of Business of schools. And I don't know what everyone's talking about. It was a very high powered, important, working girl job. One day I was doing dinner him. Some next day I was banging Harrison Ford and making million dollar deals. I don't want to hear anything more about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Giselle, you were so messy to buy the dress that Stacy forbid everybody from wearing at her event. What message were you trying to send her? Well, that I would spend a lot of money for tacky things. But we've already seen your house. Well, still, it felt good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I was afraid people. People were saying I looked really good in this reunion. So I wanted to make sure that they knew that I still was capable of dressing very, very badly.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wanted them to stop making fun of the taste in my living room and start making fun of the taste on my body.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So she basically. Yeah, she just was like. She bought it to be petty. And then Wendy says that Giselle actually returned it right away. She was like, yeah, she was like, you can have it. Like she. She just did it to get out of his skin. Well, I mean, why not wear it for a good cause? Because I did. Did. I went to the event. Da. But did you donate to my charity? I did. I was sitting there and I donated. I donated. I was sitting there as was. And I donated. Da.

[Ronnie Karam]

The sit was sitting. So we see the flashback to the dog poop fiasco. Strut for strays, which I'm sure will have its own 30 minute segment at some point, but for now. Okay, well, you all went blonde this season. And who wears blonde best? Who is the true Queen of the 613?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think we all know who wears blonde the best. It's Cameron. Oh, I was talking about you. Giselle. She's like, oh, oh, thank you. That's nice. I meant I think that Karen Dunk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Compliment me. I hate your guts and hope you die.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please stop disarming me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then they make fun of Mia's hair as if it was the worst. I don't. I don't care. What's wrong with. With me?

[Ben Mandelker]

Giselle. No, wait. Mia said something that was so funny because Giselle goes. Well, thank you. It's very nice, but I Think that Karen rocks the blonde hair. And Mia goes, when it's on all the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Mia says, no more 613 for now. And Stacy goes, but you took a risk, and I applaud you for that. She took a risk. I'm. I'm the only person applauding, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, we're not gonna reward Mia for taking a risk. So Giselle says, Andy, so, you know, we had a whole discussion about her hair, and all of us did together, and we were just saying to help you because we've never seen your ears or your neck.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stacey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Stacey goes, well, why do you want to see my ears or my neck? Just to make sure you're a human and not an alien.

[Ronnie Karam]

I had never thought about never seeing Stacy's ears until she said. And then my mind started going through all of the shots of the season. I was like, I guess we have never seen her ears. And she's like, well, I made a video of you. It's quite hilarious. Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Arabella loved it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Where I'm sitting in a makeup chair, and I show Giselle my ears. Can we roll that? Roll that, please? I hate you, you stupid bitch. I'm never giving you a dress again. No, that's the one of Vivian. Can we just do the one of me in the makeup chair? So they cut to that, and she kind of lifts her hair up a little bit. She's like, look, I. Ears. We did not see full ears in that. What's going on with your ears? Why aren't you showing Spock ears? Show them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me tell you something. Those were. Those were snork ears, okay? She's from a different planet. It's confirmed. She's an alien. It all makes sense now, the way she acts. Stacy does act like an alien that has studied us and has come down to Earth and has inhabited our forms and is doing a very close simulation of human but not quite nailing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

She. Her eyes turn black. She's got Justin Bieber and Pope in her and the Pope in her role in Decks.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she lives under the Denver airport. So that the elevator lady. Yeah, Deb. Oh. So then. Yeah, Deb. She was the best. So Stacy's like. And I sent you that video. And what did you say back? I don't know what I said. Nothing. You said nothing. I showed you my ears. If you said nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Andy tells Ashley, well, I do love your hair. She goes, thank you, Giselle. Giselle says, he didn't say that to me. He doesn't like mine. He's like, no, sorry, Giselle. I was talking to Ashley on that one. All right, welcome back. The Real Housewives of Potomac Season 9 reunion. We're joined by Jacqueline.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Jacqueline's looking a little different than when we saw her. What's different? Whose baby are you impregnated with now? It's like, I'm expecting boobs. Are you expecting new boobs? You know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Congratulations. With all due. When are you due? Well, I'm very excited, and I'm due in May.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

But. And then Ash is like, but did you notice, by the way, Jacqueline, did you notice where we are? And she's like, yeah, we're in Panama. She's like, that's when we had our beautiful memory together. We should have a whole 30 minute segment about this. And we see a flashback of them kissing briefly and thankfully and shockingly. We did not dwell on their kiss for 30 minutes and five segments of this reunion. It was like a one and done moment, and they just moved right on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm. I'm proud of production for recognizing their low points of the season and just trying to brush them under the rug, you know? So then Jacqueline's like, well, I can tell you this. The father has never been on Bravo or graced our screen. So let's put it out there now. It's another father, everybody. And so. And he's like, oh, well, that's good. We have someone fresh. Someone fresh with a life to ruin, basically. And Wendy's like, so it's not Pee Pee. It's not Ink. Who is it?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not Ink? No. His name is Dakota, and he lives in Salt Lake City. Dakota From Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Yes. Yes. He has impregnated me. So Ashley's like, was he at the premiere party? More to come. Stay tuned. I guess if I get that champagne flute, you'll find out all about him. But until then, I'm gonna use this leverage. Oh, no, I'm. I'm still gonna be a friend of. Okay, got it, Got it.

[Ronnie Karam]

More to come. That's the last thing you need right now. Okay. Okay. Well, Mia, you've always led a complex life, but you gave the phrase love triangle a whole new shape. Let's take a look. So we see Mia's package of lies and lies this season. Ink wants a paternity test for Jeremiah. And also Gordon has mania. You know, I really love Parks mania.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she starts to cry. Of course, it's not even that sentimental of a montage. And it's, like, hard to rewatch Just because it's so blatantly manufactured for cameras. Anyway. Well, inc. Is not here today. He unfortunately thought got confused with the airlines and a roller coaster sign. I thought he was not allowed on. But that's okay. We'll try to get him back next year. You recently announced that you've broken up. What happened?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, it's very difficult when you're in a public relations. People see it and then you think you got have done something different. But I was married for 11 years, and I'm a good mother and my kids are amazing. Every day I work, even without crack the back, I walk around organizing brochures for people for free.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, but your tagline is ink is permanent, which is so funny. And it's like, how could you break.

[Ronnie Karam]

Break up?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, you know, Ink is my best friend, and, you know, he is forever going to be part of my life. But, like, do we need to be in an intimate relationship?

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I can only have sex on a step stool so many times. So Andy's like, well, well, well, camera from lens says the other. I want to know the other lady's impression of Ink because. Because besides his height. So what were your impressions on the two of them as a couple? Couple. And when.

[Ronnie Karam]

Short, Andy. Very, very short.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want to be long winded, so I'll keep this short.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Wendy tries it. She's like, he's a very kind, respectable gentleman, but we can be honest, okay? You came on this show and you brought an outsider. And they don't know the backlash, right? So they got backlash. Everyone calling him short, apple, box, tiny, et cetera. And you know, the game that everybody was playing online where they said, let's toss. Let's toss ink back and forth, you know, that sort of thing. So it's really hard because no one understands what this life is like until you're in it, Andy, you know, and then once it was shown to the world, he didn't like that. And so Ashley's like, yeah, but he went a little bit hard with Gordon. It's not like he's just some victim.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, ink very much wanted to be on television. Like, he wanted more camera time. I do not believe they broke up. I think they are still together. And I think it's very clear that Mia is aware of being trashed on social media as it relates to throwing ink in front of Gordon and the whole triangle and the disaster and the distinct disgustingness of it all. So, yeah, they're still together. Ink lives in Atlanta. Mia knows. Knows we. We're about to film again. So Mia lives in Atlanta. She doesn't even live in DC, Maryland or Virginia. Ah, yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically they're still together, but Mia's just pretending they're not so people will be nicer on Twitter. So Mia's like, why would you say that? And Sissy goes, oh, she doesn't live here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've never heard of such a thing. Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

I haven't moved at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every interview you fly in for your interviews.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, no, I've been here. That's a lie. Well, I've heard people that are on the same plane as you, you're in the back.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do fly back and forth. Yes. Yes. No, I didn't say you flew. You fly back. I said you're in the back of the plane.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I live here. I have a condo here. Fine. But if that's the lie you want to tell today. It's not a lie. It's facts. I have a condo on 1, 23 condo street. So meet me there for coffee.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Well, where do your kids go to school? They're in private home school.

[Ben Mandelker]

As opposed to public home school.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't even think of that. How do they have to wear uniforms?

[Ben Mandelker]

They had to fill out an application is a very competitive process. They had to beat out Tom Cruise's child to get into private homeschool.

[Ronnie Karam]

So private home school they could do from anywhere in the world. Correct. She goes. And just like, goes like, Atlanta. And she's like, well, they have gone to Atlanta, but they don't go back and forth every time. Oh, okay, so now every time insinuating that you are constantly coming back and forth from Atlanta. Like, girl, can you hear yourself? She can't stop lying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so as of October, your thing was, what do we think of Ink? And I gave my opinion about what I think of Ink. And now I'll be honest with you. I feel as though you had this plan for you and Ink that you orchestrated for the season and it backfired on you. And I think you saw that, you know, and it wasn't good for the brand and people weren't loving it. And so you said, let me drop Ink and let me stop posting pictures of Gordon again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, hold on, let me just. Let me say in my defense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, guys. She's in a shame spiral. Give herself some grace. All right? She is getting divorced, though. That's a lie. Gordon and Ink and all, they're all in on it. There's no divorce.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she says, but why? Why would I do this? What would be the reason? And Andy says, yeah, well, for what benefit? And when he goes for this benefit right here. The show. The show. And if you took that out, what would be left? And Mia goes, alarm. I'm Mia. I'm Mia, okay? I just wanna be me.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a lot that I deal with. You know, there's Gordon's mania and like, wait a second, we looked up the medical records. Gordon has Beetle Mania. That's totally different. Well, he loves the Beatles. What can I say? And that still is a type of mania. Meaning it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Heavenly is worse from than we ever even knew said. Did you tell your kids about the divorce for the first time on camera? Yes or no? She has. So, yeah, we had a con. Well, what I wanted to do was go to therapy, but I just didn't get around to it. Oh, okay, so you forgot to book a therapy appointment, so you told your kids on camera?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And who was leading the charge on the paternity test? Was it you or was it Ink? It was ink. He wanted to know. And okay, so then what does Jeremiah know about the conversations? Well, the kids are not allowed on social media. It's the first rule of private homeschool, no phones whatsoever.

[Ronnie Karam]

As a good parent, Andy, I keep my kids off of social media so they don't know that I'm ruining their lives until later. Oh, well, you don't think he's going to find out? Like, it's ridiculous if you think he's not going to find out. I mean, it's like, well, 1,000%. But right now he's nine. I mean, he doesn't even know English.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, the education system in our private home schools is terrible these days in America. So Mia's like, you know, eventually I'm gonna have to share with him because when he becomes a teenager in 15 years, it's gonna be very scary. Ah, okay. Well, you're gonna have to explain that that was a topic on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anybody who thousand percents you is lying, apparently, because she says a thousand percent over and over. She's just like everything else we discuss is controversial. Okay. And I don't think this is something that I should have discussed in hindsight because I do feel like I have to prepare him for them. You know, I'm a good man. Other.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Cloudy with a chance of from meatballs says Mia. You talked about Karen needing to be real all season, but your stories about Gordon Inc. And the paternity were hard to follow. Don't you think it's hypocritical when you're not being transparent yourself?

[Ronnie Karam]

I am being transparent. I'm. It's just a very wavering, day by day, thousand percent decisions.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I being transparent? Yes. Am I Jeffrey Tambor's biggest fan? Yes. But the situation here is very complex. So Kieran is like, yeah, but me and these stories, like, don't add up because, like, sometimes it sounds like you're crazy. All of us. And then they were believing and then.

[Ronnie Karam]

We had to go out and see Gordon. Then we were believing and then you said, baby, we don't want to believe in you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you're explaining over there. But you said you already knew this was the me. Okay, well, I'm not. Can someone translate for that for me? Yeah, here's a question.

[Ronnie Karam]

What was that? Was that Jeremiah talking? I barely understood that.

[Ben Mandelker]

When is like, did. Didn't you conceive the child through IVF, though? And she's like, yes, I did conceive him through ivf, which was, we all know, stands for intervaginal ferocity.

[Ronnie Karam]

It stands for the Internet version of Vanity Fair, which I was reading.

[Ben Mandelker]

Internet Vanity Fairs where I conceived in my. Got very horny reading a. Reading a profile on Daniel Craig.

[Ronnie Karam]

So last year she said that she conceived through IU, not IUDs. Because that's. We got into this last year. Do you remember? Don't take my storyline. Oh, IU, I or IUIs or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

Which is where from a UNESCO, UN, UNICEF thank.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, last year she said IUI or IU, whatever. That is a different thing than IVF. That's where you put this. They basically someone described it online as turkey based drink sperm.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's called an ipo. It's called an initial pubic offering. You offer up the sperm into the vagina and then the vagina has a baby.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's the irs, the Wait taxes impregnated you. No, it's intentional reality sperm. It's to Zoa. All right, no one's buying this. And she goes, but I did conceive through ivf, but I could have been pregnant when I got the ivf. So that's what happened. And when he goes, no, that's not true. Want to know why it's not true? Because when you get ivf, you have to take a pregnancy test. It's just. Well, in order for a positive pregnancy test, you have to be four and a half weeks pregnant. They're like, no, they take a blood test and they can test your HCG immediately. She's like, exactly. You're Herman groin. Which is the procedure that I have.

[Ben Mandelker]

As we all know, HCG stands for historically. Historically, Claude garden cloth. My HDTV levels were normal, so they were able to do an IUD on my ivf. It was okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mia, don't you just want to end this paternity stuff for your children? Do it. If Arabella wanted to, I would do it. And she's like 1000%. And I have. I have. So we've done a professional private school test. Jeremiah is Gordon's child through IVF 1000%.

[Ben Mandelker]

The results are in. And Jeremiah is half IMF. So congratulations. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

You can hear about it on CBS. Come burgling sycophants. Okay, great. Well, daddy from is probably been cheating this whole time. Time says, Mia, you proclaim that you want to protect your children's innocence. How can you say that you want to protect them when you let adult conversations occur within their presence? Oh, for Christ's sake. I don't know that that's a good question. I mean, what kind of adult conversations does Andy's kids heard?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, just give me some grace. Well, you know, that has never happened until that day. That was the first adult conversation. But we felt like after years of private home school, that they were ready to intervene with adults and they were getting along for an entire year, and the two of them were, like, getting along. So I didn't think it was gonna happen. Yes, but Gordon told you he didn't want to film with Ink, and he didn't know Ink was there when that scene happened. And then he. When he gets there, he even says it. He even says, I don't want to film with this dude.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that was when he was in me. And we see a flashback of Gordon telling Ink. I told Mia, I'm not filming with you. When you and when you and I are here together with the kids, I'm going to be very cordial. So have a good time. Time without the kids. I'm not interested. So then Giselle's like, he told you when the cameras are on, he doesn't want to do that. But you thought it was good for the show. You thought it was good for your little story.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I think, like, what I thought will be good is showing positive co parenting. Like, showing that you can have a positive family home, private school experience with a parent who has mania. Because that's what we've been doing for an entire year. When I got divorced the first time, my ex husband And Gordon are, like, really, really excited on Friends.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mia, you were Ink before you even broke up with Gordon with your kids in the house. What do you. I mean, come on. We've already gone over this. She's so frustrating, and she can talk herself in circles, and I like that they're not really letting her in her whole thing. I was just trying to show what positive co parenting is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we were consciously uncoupled, like Gwyneth and Chris. So I just wanted to show everyone how it's done. You know, I thought, okay, why can't we do this again? All right, Jacqueline, you've been awfully quiet over there. What's your reaction to this conversation happening on the show? It looks familiar. Okay, what does that mean in terms of Gordon one moment being in one positive space, and then next moment he's in a negative space? And I've seen Gordon and Ink get along, and in their other moments, I'd see them, like, not get along. So I feel like in this instance, it was just, like, a bad situation that was caught. It was unfortunate, but the kids were there. But I've told Mia in the past, I don't think he should. She should make, you know, Ink and Gordon and. Okay, this is not as exciting as a response. I was hoping for you, so let's just move on from Jacqueline. So your personal life seems to frustrate or annoy a lot of people, both your friends on the show and also the viewers. Why do you think that is? Do you think you're just, like, an annoying and frustrating person? Do you take it personally? Do you feel like you're a failure, Mia?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the lies, Andy. The lies. Well, I think whatever I'm going through, I'm open about it. And, you know, it's my honesty, Andy. You know, I mean, it is confusing. I'm confused sometimes. And so Kieran, who's talked more in this reunion than we've heard her talk in two years, is like, well, you know, it was just toxic. And I can see why Gordon was having several episodes. She's mania shaming somebody. She's like, you're the cause of the mania. So because Gordon's elder, she goes, because Gordon is elder elderly. Okay. And it's. It's. I mean, it was basically giving elderly abuse that he kept doing this to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gordon, but he is the one that told his story. And she's like, yeah, he did. He did tell a story. And so she protected him. I did for years. I allowed him to make me look like a liar, which I'm not to make me look like I have my stories mixed up, which, as you heard very clearly when I got my ICBM baby, it was a very clear story, because for a whole year, they've been getting along, and they've been go parenting. And the moment the cameras come on, he then tries to make me look like a liar. And he wanted to show up today to tell you guys who apologize to what he did to me because he knew damn well that's weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't believe that. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. No, I don't believe that. And Jacqueline's like, you don't believe he's bipolar? I mean, he's so bipolar. I'm naming my next child Albania. I mean, it's all that we've heard. And Mia's like, I didn't want him to come on another apology tour, so I told him just to stay home. Giselle's like, you sat here and said, you regret the whole paternity thing and bringing it up. You don't regret it because of your children. And she goes, no, you regret it because of Twitter, and if everybody was on board with it, the world was on board with it. You'd be fine with it. And she goes, well, there are a lot of people on board with it. I get so many DMS from people who say, after I went through icp, bmi, and had a baby and moved in with the guy, everyone says, so supportive. I'm a helpful person. Co parent is everywhere thanking me. 1,000 person.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't understand how many people who've had difficulty conceiving and had to turn to IMDb to have a healthy pregnancy, how they've reached out to me to say I went through the same thing. So you know what? People do like me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically, Ashley's like, well, it seems like you had a motive to look at this whole thing as a production instead of being genuine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ashley.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, Michael, like, say, gna, gna, gna.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Giselle's like, well, what. What it has to do with the journey of your child. That's just deplorable. We all know the only reason why you show children on the show is to show that they are going on off to college for two seasons in a row.

[Ronnie Karam]

I remember when we were in Miami and we were talking about the relationship of the group, and you were. You know, you were. You said that we were like Destiny's Child, but everyone's Michelle and your Beyonce. And they're like, what? And Andy goes, wait a minute. Who's Kelly?

[Ben Mandelker]

You said that. She said that. And I was like, damn. At least I could be Kelly. By the way, no shame in being Michelle. Justice for Michelle. No shame. Michelle, do you want to be on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Real Housewives of Atlanta and just, like, goes, oh, totally. I love Michelle, personally. Personally, we're friends. Ah. When he's like, okay, okay, then you guys can be Michelle. She can be Beyonce. I'm Kelly, though.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm Kelly.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Mia goes, I've been drinking. She doesn't even deny it. She's so beat down by this point. She's like, I was drinking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thinking that's, like, the most honest thing that she said all night.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, Trapper from Keeper wants to know. Jacqueline has me always had an odd relationship with the truth. I mean, well, Mia, for the most part with me, she's very honest. I mean, has she exaggerated about things? Yes. I don't know. I don't think Mia always notices it, but I don't think she's a blatant liar, just a habitual one. Oh, thanks. Yeah, she's sharing that one. She's told that to me. Yeah. As that's something that's common with us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Well, poopy from diaper says. Mia, if the conversation surrounding your child were bringing stress to your life, what made you think it was okay to bring up Giselle's daughters in even worse context? And then we see that your girls are sneaking boys in the house. And social media, you post like, everything's perfect. So she's like, you know, I didn't think it was okay, and that's actually why I apologize.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then you got to my face.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then you. Then you, like, you shoot. When she was. Was. Was a man, you jumped up from. From your. From your. Whatever you were sitting on. You got in my face, and you tried to act like you were going to do something to me. And we see unseen footage. I was like, wait, when she was a man? What? Oh, there was unseen footage from the night when Ashley was in drag where Giselle was like, keep my children out of. Out of your mouth, Mia. And then Mia got up and, like, stood up and got in front in her face. And, no, you keep my children out of your. Now, I haven't talked about your children, Dr. Me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Giselle's like, you got in my face. And Wendy's like, when was this? Did they show it? They're like, no, if it was at the end of the night, you weren't paying attention. And Giselle's like, they did not show it, but it happened. My bodyguard was there, and he was like, well, you were saying I was a terrible mother. And then Giselle goes, well, that's how you've acted this season. A terrible mother. And I stand by that. No woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

No matter. No mother would put their children on a platform to discuss his paternity. No mother would do that. No mother. I mean, it's like she gets up and runs off again. I was like, I thought it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great because, like, normally on these shows, it's like, you can never say that someone's a terrible mother. Like, that's. In fact, when someone's being heinous and awful, the one thing they say is. I will say they're a terrible. They're. They're a great mother. But she's a. But she's a great mother. So for someone to say, actually she's a terrible mother. I was, like, kind of refreshing to. For someone to be honest, because, you know, half these women think that everyone else is a terrible mother on all these shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Giselle can always be the grossest. You know, and in some seasons, it's really infuriating when she's, like, on the wrong side, but when she's on the right side of things, it's refreshing. Yeah, it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, you're a terrible mother. Terrible mother. And I stand by that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then when she walks off, Ashley goes, the truth hurts. I. I guess. I mean, it's like, not my kids. You don't come for my kids. They're not coming for your kids. I hate when people do that. When you see. When you criticize their parenting and they do not come for my children. They're not coming for your children. They're coming for you. They're saying, your kids are great and you're a terrible mother. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And Wendy's like, well, I don't do people doing. And not being able to be accountable for this. Well, thank you, Wendy. After all the. She did. Now you can get up and walk away, please. So K was like, you know, that's really unfortunate.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is an environment where husbands and.

[Ben Mandelker]

Children should be off limits. Just, like, so, so sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Especially Greg's. Greg should really be off limits. And. And he's like, well, we're gonna take a break. We'll be right back. I'm exhausted. Let's go. So they get up for a break, and none of them can get out of their chairs, which is really funny. Have to help each other up. And then we see Mia going back to her dressing room door. She's like, all right, please. Please do my brush. Please do my blush so it looks like I'm. My head has been dipped and blushed, but only to my cheekbones. Yes, a straight line. And she's crying. And then we hear Eddie's voice because he and Greg are catching up in the other dressing room, and they had this moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

This moment. I'm sorry to interrupt, but, like, this was so. This did not feel like an authentic moment, because Eddie goes, no, you know, we should. Maybe we should help TJ see what's going on. I was like, what. What is this weird community theater moment that they're having right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

But did you catch the day they kept cutting to the other people in the dressing room? I guess they were stylists or glam team or whatever. And they cut to a girl sitting in a chair behind them. And was she wearing a silver hard hat? I don't know what the hell was going on, but I was dying laughing. Because sometimes we joke that doing glam on these shows, those is like a Home Depot worker has to come with a jackhammer and be wax, wax, wax. And there was actually a girl in a hard hat, which I was cracking about. So, yeah, this was very unnatural. But they're like, hello, Greg. How wonderful to see you. I am happy. Eddie products available near you. We should call tj. TJ is our good friend. And Greg's like, yes, we should call tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they said they picked that.

[Ronnie Karam]

They.

[Ben Mandelker]

They. They call him. They're like, hey, tj, what's going on? He's like, oh, well, you know, I had to get evacuated because of the fire. A working actor in LA. And Eddie's like, Are you safe? TJ's like, yes, I'm very safe. My. My home that's nowhere near the Pacific Palisades is safe. So TJ is like, all right. Yeah. He's like, yeah. So that's why I've been, like, sort of trying to move stuff around, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. And Greg's like, okay, well, I'm glad you're okay. He's like, yeah. And so Eddie's like, yeah, we're at the reunion. And TJ's like, yeah, I ain't going to that fake ass show with those fake ass people. I miss you, old man.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Eddie's like, wait, what? We got to lick her up next time you're in dc. And then the screen fades to black, and then we. Tj Is kind of blacked out. Like, we don't see what's happening. They do a black and white thing where we don't really see what's happening. And then Eddie goes, goes, oh, tj, we had no idea, man. And he's like, yeah, you should talk to that girl. And Eddie goes, that was a lot. So then we cut back to the set and they're all, you know, still on break and stuff. And Wendy leaves her phone on the couch, but hears a buzz, so she gets it and she goes, shut the up. Like, what? What, Wendy? What, Wendy? What is it, Wendy? And she's just laughing because Eddie is. Just sent her whatever TJ said.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love John John TJ accusing the show of being fake with fake ass people. I mean, the show may be fake, but, like, he is the fakest person of them all on the show. And he's gonna eat. And that's why he's mad, because his fakery has been so blatantly exposed on a show that's already fake. Like, if. If that's. If that. If the one true thing that comes through is his fakery, then, yeah, that sucks for him.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what do you think it's gonna be?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe it's gonna be like a. A lie. Maybe he's gonna say he. That they did have sex and that she was like, terrible in bed, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, because they make it look like it's a huge thing against Stacy because she's confronted with it and she's like, that is a lie. So it looks like he's saying that he was hired or, you know, maybe the rumors are true that he was hired to be her boyfriend and she's just a fat liar or something. Those are the rumors online, but I have no idea what it could really be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Well, we'll find out next week. I'm excited to see it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so we'll find out next week, everybody. But in the meantime, thanks so much for being here. If you want these recaps on videos, you find them at Patreon. If you don't want to pay for Patreon, that's fine. You get them a week later over at YouTube. So join us over there. Go get tickets for the mounting Hysteria and Patreon links and bonus episode links, which are traders right now on Patreon. You can get links for everything over at watch what crappens.com. so do it.

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