#2739 Southern Hospitality S03E07: Weiner Takes All

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2739: Southern Hospitality S03E07 - "Weiner Takes All"

Release Date: February 25, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery
Description: A daily podcast that revels in all things Bravo (and beyond!). Join Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam as they praise, ridicule, and eviscerate the Real Housewives, Below Deck, and whatever other crap Bravo throws at us. We mock because we love.

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Introduction

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest drama-filled episode of Bravo’s "Southern Hospitality" — Season 3, Episode 7, titled "Weiner Takes All." As always, Ben and Ronnie blend humor, satire, and sharp commentary to dissect the intricate relationships and entrepreneurial ventures of the show's vibrant cast.

Main Plot Summary

"Weiner Takes All" centers around the ambitious launch of Sir Wieners, a hot dog business spearheaded by cast member TJ. The episode navigates the challenges TJ faces in establishing his brand, including logistical hurdles and interpersonal conflicts with fellow cast members.

• Hot Dog Cart Chaos:
  The episode opens with TJ preparing to debut his hot dog cart, only to encounter unexpected difficulties with the equipment. As Michael struggles with a stuck pair of shorts in the dryer (00:35), the team’s enthusiasm begins to wane.

  Ben Mandelker [00:40]: "Some of the favorite Housewives episodes are when the cast goes on group vacations... Or what about Morocco? It just goes on and on."

• Entrepreneurial Struggles:
  TJ's meticulous efforts to market Sir Wieners are met with skepticism from castmates like Will, who questions the viability of selling premium-priced hot dogs.

  Ronnie Karam [01:30]: "Sometimes, you don't even need a boner. Even guys without boners can cheat on you. You know, guys are very multifaceted."

• Relationship Dynamics:
  The episode delves into the strained relationship between Maddie and Joe, highlighting issues of commitment and communication. Maddie grapples with balancing her career aspirations with her personal life, leading to heated discussions about moving in together.

  Maddie [09:00]: "The wedding isn't real. I think Joe Bradley thinks that it's real."

• Workplace Tensions:
  Back at Republic Bar and Grill, tensions rise as Emmy confronts the aftermath of a fake wedding ceremony in Las Vegas, leading to accusations and emotional outbursts among the team.

  Emmy [10:50]: "You need to be awake in Vegas."

Key Discussions and Insights

• Entrepreneurship and Branding:
  Ben and Ronnie explore TJ's strategic approach to launching Sir Wieners, analyzing his decision to invest in both hot dogs and merchandise. They discuss the potential market reception of high-priced gourmet hot dogs versus traditional offerings.

  Ronnie Karam [19:35]: "Well, I'm telling you that the regular hot dog buns look good. They look kind of..."

• Interpersonal Relationships:
  The hosts highlight the complex dynamics between cast members, particularly focusing on Maddie and Joe’s relationship woes. They comment on the realistic portrayal of relationship struggles within the high-pressure environment of Southern Hospitality.

  Ben Mandelker [11:37]: "It's not our actual wedding night, Joe."

• Cultural and Social Pressures:
  Lake’s storyline introduces themes of identity and acceptance as she navigates her relationship with her girlfriend Shelby amidst familial and societal expectations in the South. Ben and Ronnie commend the show for addressing LGBTQ+ issues with sensitivity.

  Ronnie Karam [37:10]: "I'm in love with the idea of you, you know, because it's my wife."

• Humor and Satire:
  The episode is punctuated with Ben and Ronnie’s humorous takes on the absurdities of reality TV entrepreneurship and relationship antics, providing an entertaining contrast to the on-screen drama.

  Ben Mandelker [44:23]: "I'm really anxious about today, especially because Leah CEO keeps on trying to snort the hot dogs like they're cocaine."

Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker [05:00]: "Pretty big deal."
• Ronnie Karam [08:25]: "She's like, yeah, well, like, I appreciate, like, TJ and Will because..."
• Ben Mandelker [16:27]: "No one can do what Michael does. Cut to the Clores Leachman waitress who's like, everyone, I'm gonna pick up this napkin."

Humorous Highlights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie infuse their analysis with sharp wit and playful mockery, particularly targeting the show's exaggerated dramatics and the often ludicrous business ventures of its cast members. Their ability to juxtapose genuine observations with comedic relief keeps the summary both insightful and entertaining.

Conclusions

In "Weiner Takes All," "Southern Hospitality" continues to deliver on its promise of high-stakes drama and personal turmoil. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam expertly navigate the episode's multifaceted storylines, offering a blend of critique and comedic commentary that is both engaging and thought-provoking. Their examination of TJ’s entrepreneurial misadventures and the ensuing relationship drama provides listeners with a comprehensive look at the show's ongoing narratives, all while maintaining the playful spirit that defines Watch What Crappens.

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, how are y'all?

[Ben Mandelker]

Great, thank you. We are going to recap Southern hospitality before we dive into that. We are going to be engaging in some Southern hospitality when we go to such cities as Charlotte, North Carolina, which is often referenced on this show, and Southern Charm. We'll be going there as part of the Mounting Hysteria tour which is going to resume in mid March. We are going to a whole bunch of cities. We are going to kick things off in Cincinnati, we'll be going to Charlotte, we'll be going to Atlanta, we'll be going to Minneapolis. Tons of places. Philadelphia, D.C. check out the full [e-mail] we are probably going to be going to a city near you, so we'd love to see your face. And also be sure to check out patreon.com watchcran to get access to our weekly bonus episode. We are recapping the Traders. You can listen to that if you're as obsessed with the Traders as we are. There's also Crap is on Demand where you can watch us instead of just listening to us. So Patreon really gives you a whole suite of fun things to do and there's a great community over there as well as well as our discord etc. So to that end, everything you can find, anything you would need, would be at watchgrappens.com One thing we do not have at watchcraftmans.com though are hot dogs. Luckily, if you want a hot dog you apparently can go to Republic Bar and Grill and Club and Hot Dog Cart because that's what they have there. That's what this whole episode is about. Opening up, selling hot dogs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get you some wieners. It's S wieners yalls sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wieners.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is season three, episode eight, Wieners and Losers. We see overhead shots of Charlotte and Then we go to Michael's house, and he's unloading his dryer and his shorts got stuck. So he's untwirling his shorts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He's like, oh, my God, I cannot believe this happened. My shorts are totally stuck to my dryer. This is. I'm, like, literally freaking out right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm traumatized. And then we go to TJ's, and he's unloading Sir Wieners merch from boxes and vacuuming it. Vacuuming each piece as it comes out. And then we go to Elite Fitness, where Brad is being very motivating. He's like, guys, do push ups.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's funny using the word elite with anyone from this cast. And then we have music is. Keeps going. And it's like. And I can't believe this is happening to me. And it's lake driving. I can't believe it. Someone's driving. And she calls her mom Jerry. And this is the theme for the first 20 minutes this episode. Her mom says she's like, oh, hey, honey. How's your day going? I'm tired. And this is what every single cast member says for the next 20 minutes. I'm tired. Are you hydrating? Yeah, to the best of my ability. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go to Emmy's Apart. Well, I mean, so far, you know, drawstrings and hydration. So then we go to Emmy's, and they're eating takeout very insanely, because it's Emmy. So she's like, yes. How was your day? How was your day? Oh, my God. He's like, I'm exhausted because, like, I've been at work. I'm working like, I'm a lawyer. So, like, I don't know if you'd noticed, but I have a highlighter. So pretty.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pretty big deal.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a lot of responsibility.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You may notice I have a tie that I got from Van Heusen. So I've been working lawyer stuff, you know, she's. Oh, that's right. I slept till 4pm today. You slept till 4? Yeah, I slept for 15 hours. Well, I actually spent 12 of those hours just crying, but that counts. Asleep, right? Yeah, well, not sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was just geeked out of my mind for the past four months. So, yeah, 15 hours really isn't that much, but. So what's up with you? And he's like, did you not hear me talk about a highlighter? I mean, I could use 15 hours. I work. I'm a lawyer. And she's like, oh, yeah, I'm still recovering from Vegas I mean, baby, you had to deal with everyone's bullshit. You poor guy. That's, like, so hard. I was like, what, are people following you to the bathroom now? Thinking, will get a break. He's a lawyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's also being bullied by the biggest bully, school. It's, like, a lot for him right now. Yeah, but at breakfast, we talked about, like, a lot of stuff and, like, work through, like, the big issues. And at this point, like, I kind of just want to, like, brush under the rug and, like, just go back to being friends, you know? Because brushing things under the rug has worked out so well. So well in our relationship.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, well, like, I appreciate, like, TJ and Will because, like, you know, TJ's, like, tried to have an independent relationship, like, with you and with me, but, like, I can't, like, have a relationship with him if he's, like, coming from my man. You know what I mean? So, like, if it's not gonna be worked out with you, it's not gonna be worked out with me. I mean, that's just it. I stand by man. That's it. You are not having sex with the people in the bathrooms. I'm so sick of hearing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Anyway, maybe if we just deflect onto another couple, then people won't bother us anymore. So let's talk about Maddie and Joe. Okay. Because, like, I think that, like, Maddie is freaking the out from that wedding. Yeah, she's freaking the out. And then we go to Maddie's house, and Joe and Maddie are in bed, and Joe's like, oh, my God, I'm so tired. Every.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're right. Every scene. I didn't even notice that at first, but you're right. Everybody's like, I'm so tired.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Maddie goes, my back hurts. Oh, your back hurts? Yeah. From putting up with me? Yeah. I'll give you a massage. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then he's like, yeah, like, I can give you a massage now because, like, we're married.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I can't believe my wife. Charleston. Sorry. I can't believe we're back in Charleston. Sorry. It was me who said that. Thanks for saying my line for me, Joe. No problem. You're my wife. I'll always say your lines for you. Thanks.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what do I got to do this week, Joe? I'm like, what's on my ical? And he's like, be my wife. We got. So then Maddie's like, this wedding isn't real. But I think that Joe Bradley thinks that it's real, so. And Then we cut back and she's like, get out of the bed so I can make it. And he goes, yeah, let's go, wife.

[Ben Mandelker]

The wedding was like, for. It was for fun and like, it was like all for like the Ello Ls, and I don't think it was serious, but yeah. And we see Maddie and like, we see Joe though, like looking at her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Through the mirror because, you know, they're brushing their teeth together and he's doing that thing where he's like staring at her through the mirror and she's like, just trying to brush my teeth, Joe. Oh, you know, by the way, Joe, you know what really bothers me? When you shave your face and you get little hairs everywhere. You really up, Joe. And he's like, yeah, but like, we work through it because that's what like married people do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. Every time. Every time there's like a little like whisker in the sink, think of it as like a love letter to my wife. Okay, whatever. Vacation's over. But maybe not for Joe.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we need to go like mother. We need to go like matching robes. Cuz we're like married now. Like, oh, Jesus Christ, Joe. I swear to God. So then we go back to Emmys and she's like, the crazy part is when me and Maddie got back from playing blackjack, Joe was like so pissed at us. Oh, and again, the camera crew was in bed. Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're on a TV show. You need to be awake in Vegas. Well, they can't film at the blackjack table, but you can producers when they're coming home from blackjack.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. So after Joe and Maddie's wedding, we partied till around like 3am and then like we see them taking shots and stuff. And then Maddie says, and then Joe. Joe is like, I'm a. I don't feel well. So then Emmy, then Emmy tells the rest of the story and she's like. So then we went to the casino and we stayed until like 5 in the morning. And then we got to the room and Joe was like very upset and he was like pissed. He was like, you've just been like down here gambling and left me alone on our wedding night. And Joe's like, yeah, I was like ready to go home and have like a romantic night and like our honeymoon sweet. And like, I got laid most other night. It's like, how do I not get laid on our actual wedding night? Like, what the.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not our actual wedding night, Joe. Oh my God. So he's like, yeah, But I ordered us all this room service, like steak, caviar, lobster. And Emmy's like, oh my God. He even goes, I ordered you a gluten free blt. Has Will ever done that for you? Like, I get it. And I like, I like Emmy for the most part. But girl, she.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's talking to Will.

[Ronnie Karam]

What has Will ever done for you?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's ordered her a boyfriend free blt. So then Emmy's like, I mean, Maddie was like, this isn't our real wedding night. And Joe was like, well, would you actually leave me alone on our own real wedding night? And then Maddie goes, well, would you actually get that this up on our real wedding night? And I was like, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Sometimes I worry that I, I. Sometimes I worry that Maddie loves the idea of Joe more than Joe. I mean, it's not like she's marrying a lawyer. It's gonna have kids with him probably. Maybe next year.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, like, it's totally different. Like I'm in love with like the idea of you, you know, because it's like you like wife. It's totally different. Like, Maddie is pathetic, but like, you. My God. Objection. I can say that as lawyer's wife. Right? Right. How is Emmy saying, I worry that Maddie loves the idea of Joe? Girl, you love the idea of what Will could be so much that you're letting him. Other people in bathrooms and not even arguing about it. Like, there was a whole new rumor of him. People in bathrooms, and you don't question them.

[Ben Mandelker]

He can't, he can't even go into a cooler safely now without. Without rumors popping up. But I have to say that, like, if you are going to fall in love with the idea of something. I do think falling in love with the idea of a, like someone who has a successful career is better than falling in love with the idea of whatever Joey Marbles is going to do. Because I don't know what Joy Marbles is going to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, but can be described in three words. Food, Mav.

[Ben Mandelker]

Food. That's my dream. So Will's like, yeah, maybe it's like going like gets like getting like too real. Like too quack. Yeah. So then we go to the Republic back room and everyone's gathering for their night shifts. And Michaels and Lake sit next to each other. And Lake is like, how are you feeling after Vegas? He goes, good. I'm just like a little tired. And I'd like to point out our note taker. Chandler says, six minutes into this episode, we have three. I'm Tired and one, I'm exhausted from this guest. So it's been noted by both of us.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. L. I had so much fun in Vegas. I had a hot hookup with Artist man and I had a hot makeout with Brad. And now it's like, time to close the box and put it in a closet and never, like, open it again. Cuz what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except syphilis. I don't even know how that thing caught on. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Nothing I've ever done in Vegas has stayed in Vegas. I'm still ashamed about it all the damn time.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like Vegas is actually deeply consequential to people weddings.

[Ronnie Karam]

It really is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gambling debts, STDs, Nicholas Case, Elizabeth Shoe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Had to watch it. And we all know about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. She never let. Did she even get to leave Las Vegas? I guess maybe. I don't think she did, did she?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think she's been on the toilet in Las Vegas. We all know about that.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one gets to live. No one gets to leave Las Vegas. No one does. Not even Steve Wynn. More like Steve lose. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to the Republic. Everybody's working, and so Joe's like, oh, my God, I'm still recovering from Vegas. It's like, harder to recover when you're a husband. And Brad's like, yeah, I had to work. When we get back, when we got back, do you know how hard it is being like, push, push. It's like elite level, bro. He's like, yeah, I respect the fuck out of you for that, bruh.

[Ben Mandelker]

I say this as one married man to a single man. So Michaels is like, I like to say that Republic runs itself, but, like, unfortunately, when I'm gone, Republic is like not running itself. Like when we were in Vegas, I did. I did end up opening my email like a bunch of times. And like, the ship definitely tends to sink when I'm not there. Like, there's no one outside on the sidewalk saying, come on, come on, come on in, come on in, come on in, come on in, come on, come on in. So it's really, really hard, but when I was away, I missed it. I felt like they're like my little. Even though they're all older than me. I mean, after all, I'm the that runs the. That they would think that runs the. Because the is on the run and the is gonna run. It's like, you need to relax. Sorry, I'm like, freaking out a little bit, guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wonder what love is doing. Oh, God, I hope she doesn't get more than 30 seconds today. Here she comes. She's like, michaels is definitely a unicorn. Like, he's so wise beyond his years. No one on the team can do what Michaels does. Cut to Leah CEO, like, cutting her kneecaps slowly in anger, just being like, how dare you?

[Ben Mandelker]

No one can do what Michael does. Cut to the Clores Leachman waitress who's like, everyone, I'm gonna pick up this napkin. Ah, I just broke my arm. God, it really is hard what he does.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, hey, hey, guy, I'm in charge tonight. How many peas are in happy? Anybody remember?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, okay, everyone, I'm in charge. Okay? I want someone standing by that door. I want someone stand by that table. And I want someone to light that plant on fire. Oh, that's the wrong thing to do. Oh, this job is so hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

Guys, the happy birthday sign came out misspelled. And the eye, the dot was missing from on top of the eye, but when I went to wipe it off, it looked like there was coke on there. Chorus, Leechman, do you have anything to say about that? No. Spelling is subjective. That was what I see.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys, I just got a report from Republic. This is what happens when I'm not there. I just found out that instead of walking out to celebrate someone's birthday with the big lit up sign, they just were carrying a giant live grouper. That's just not acceptable. You can't do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So shots of work. Everybody's working, working, working, working. And then we go to TJ and Mia and she's like, really hot. And he goes, yeah, but are you like, Vegas sweaty or are you in Charleston sweaty?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, charleston sweaty? I missed it. So she talks that her apartment was, like, really, like, dusty and full of spiders and cobwebs while she was training to fail at Miss USA or Miss World. Actually, Miss World because she's in Trinidad. Trinidad and Tobago. So Molly meets up with them and they're all wearing pink and everything. And TJ is like, I didn't get the pink memoir. But you know when people say that, they're like, joking, but you can see with tj, he's like, wow, it really is hard to be gay in the South. You don't even get the pink memo when all the girls get together.

[Ronnie Karam]

Molly's like, oh, we actually dressed pink to match your skin. So don't worry about it. You're totally on trend. So she's like, guys, I've been working non stop Because I'm also a wedding planner. So let's roll some footage of me, like, saying wedding planner things.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been non stop in the hectic world of wedding planners. She's like, guys, we cut to her being like, this is a good place, Matt. She's like, here's a charger.

[Ronnie Karam]

To doily or not to doily. That is the question. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

What's the name of her company? It said something like Inspire Events or something like that. Or like Enigma Events. Just like. Yeah. I had to put a napkin on a table and see if someone liked it. It was really hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mia's like, well, TJ is about to blow the up. Are you excited about that, tj? Did you have gluten? No, she means, like, professionally. Because of Sir Wieners. Okay. I'm really excited to put. To get back the buddy that I like in just a couple of days is the launch of Ser Wieners. I'll debut. I'll be debuting my merch, all the hot dogs, my specialty cocktails. It's like, so much pressure. What if I don't make my money back? What if people don't buy merch? What if people don't buy tickets to the event? Not one question of what if my hot dogs aren't good? Come on, let's get our head in the game. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Why are you making merch so soon? Start selling hot dogs before the merch comes out. Come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, he's. He's doing the merch because of something about her. Because that was the Vanderpump rules thing. They never even opened their restaurant. They made a quarter of a million dollars just on merch.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but the difference is that, like, Ariana and Katie are established Bravo liberties and in the center of, like, a pop culture breaking scandal that everyone want to support them. TJ is just TJ now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I get Joe cheated on tj.

[Ben Mandelker]

What? But I'm married. The. I mean, I understand why he wants to have merch because he's on Bravo and he wants his friends to put on the hat. So they're wearing the hats during the scenes. I get it. Yeah. But realistically, like, work on the hot dogs first. This. This strange new culinary concept of a hot dog. Will they ever succeed? Will people like hot dogs? I don't know. It's an untested food.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Untested market. Well, they like $20 hot dogs.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's the question.

[Ronnie Karam]

How much are these hot dogs? I want to know. We're gonna have it. I mean, I don't even hot dogs. But I'm gonna have one one day.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love hot dogs. And by the way, flash forward just a little bit. Will saying he doesn't like hot dogs. You know, this guy's a piece of.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like a piece of.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's the best part of going to Costco is getting the hot dog afterwards.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's be honest, I'm a pescatarian, but even I some of my best memories are 10 cent hot dog night at the Diablos games in El Paso. When I was a kid, some of my best reason I would go to sports is so I could get a 10 cent hot dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

I may have to have a hot dog for lunch. All this, all this discussion, like I'm getting so hungry discussing them right now. I'm like freaking out right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

But that's all this said. Tj, send us some ser merch. Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

He did?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm saying TJ do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I thought you said he did send us. Yeah, tj, hook us up with some sers. I'll wear that on Crap is on demand. Yeah, come on. We'll support you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. We just dissed your hot dog business. But we want the merch. Send it.

[Ben Mandelker]

We don't like your business model, but we will happily model your business.

[Ronnie Karam]

I like his business model. I think it's smart. I mean, look, he knows that his money is going to be coming from merch. That's what he's doing. So you go, boy. Send us some free commercials.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Like, yeah, what if. What if people don't like it? So then he's like, well, sir, wiener stuff is going well, but at our boys brunch in Vegas, like, I got, like, an arrogance vibe from Will. So he was like, totally not. He was. I didn't get, like, wieners vibe from Bill.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was not, like, very wiener forward, not wiener supportive. You're only now just getting an arrogance vibe from Will. It's been season three seasons already.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see. At the. At the boys brunch, we see a hot dog tattoo on TJ's wrist because he got that. And Will goes, how long did that take? Like, ten minutes. Oh, and you still haven't even sold a single hot dog. Stupid. Stupid.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whatever. Fucking highlighter behind your ear. Who's not a lawyer yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, shut. Shut up, Matlock. So TJ's like, I just think that, like, he thinks that he's, like, better than me. Me, you know? And he's like, after Vegas, I just feel like Will, like, has been completely honest with how he feels about me. And it's, like, sad because he was, like, a person that I like would call my best friend. But, you know, unfortunately, because he's my best friend, I have to hate him because that's what I do on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just weird. He wouldn't put a hot dog selling on the same level as lawyering. It's, like, really offensive. So then back to the restaurant. Mia's like, well, I was talking to Emmy, and you know how she just doesn't want to hear it while she said that Austin has it all twisted and that law school is. Is they're bullies and that they're just creating rumors about each other to watch each other fail. And then we see the flashback where she's like, remy's. Like, you guys, the school is different. Someone has a vendetta against Will. Like, they compete against each other there. It's, like, totally different, you guys. She goes, yeah, I know. I've seen Legally Blonde, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, Will told us the same thing. We see footage of Will telling the guys the same thing. He's got a bully. Like, I'm just imagining, again, like, a lawyer in a varsity jacket, like, shoving Will into a Laska like locker. And yeah, you think you're so hot.

[Ronnie Karam]

With your highlighter behind your ear. I'm telling everyone that you got laid with a hot chick in the bathroom.

[Ben Mandelker]

O. So then Molly tells us the logic is missing. Like, I don't think like a grown ass man is creating some rumor about some random mediocre white dude in this class. I promise he's studying torts or whatever that class is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, I love a burrito, so I'm not even gonna go up against torts, but you know what I'm saying. And who makes up rumors that you're like, extremely virile? They're like, let's take Will down. Let's make him look like he's getting laid all over the place. Guys hate that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. So mia's like, well, TJ's like, well, I think that Will told her that. Like, of course Will told her that. You think she, she formed that thought on her own, says Mia. And then all of a sudden we are now going somewhere else in Charleston. And now it's like evening and. Or maybe it's daytime. It's the daytime. And it's another day as one day before the Sir Wieners launch. And Olivia, the marketing manager for Republic is going to help, and she's overseeing TJ as TJ is with his cart. And like the cart, there's like a cart wrangler. Like they. It's like if you were shooting a movie and there's like a kangaroo, there's got to be the person who comes along with the kangaroo to make sure the kangaroo is okay. So this is like the guy who comes along with the cart.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a union job. They're like, guys, we cannot shoot the scene until the cart wrangler, the cart wrangler arrives. Okay, seriously, you guys. And so the cart wrangler is like, oh, by the way, it's not the same cart that we thought because we thought it was going to be like one of those LA carts with a flat top where they're cooking onions and stuff. But it's not. It's like a. A steam cart. Yeah. Because so then, yeah, they're like, oh my God, tj, how are we gonna get through this gate? He's like, I measured it. Okay, well, I thought we were gonna have trouble getting past the plants. He's like, I came here early and I moved the plants. Who's a lawyer now?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and they tried to make it sexy. Cuz the guy's like, are we gonna be able to get it in and he was like, I think it'll fit. Cuz I wanted to get it in. He's like, I measured. So they spend. It's a good amount of time pushing this cart through. I was actually, I was, I was getting stressed because I was imagining being in that situation. Like, I feel like I've never moved a hot dog cart. And yet watching the scene, I felt like I had, I felt like I had been commissioned by a friend who said, hey, can you help me move this cart into the restaurant? It'll take like five minutes, but then winds up taking 35 minutes. And it's hot and it's humid and you're sweating and the cart scrapes my knee and we can't get it through. And it becomes a whole production and suddenly my plans for the entire day are ruined because a hot dog cart cannot get it into the patio. And I never should have signed up for this stupid task in the first place. Like I, I felt all of that watching this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I have to say, look, I've always looked at you as a good person, but this is the most empathetic you've ever been. This is like, it takes hot dog carts to get you this empathetic. You're like, you guys, I put myself in the shoes of the hot dog cart movers.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I was mad. I was mad at TJ for doing that to me. I was like, why did you waste.

[Ronnie Karam]

My time design the hot dog cart design? Because can we make hot dog carts parts easier? Like, where are the rubber wheels? Like, why?

[Ben Mandelker]

I was actually mad at, I was kind of mad at Leva and Leah that they didn't allow TJ just to roll the thing through the club where there were wide open doors.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can smell the bar rot from here. Like, let's stop acting like, oh, let's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop acting like this is going to offend all those middle aged men in Tommy Bahama shirts coming into Republic. Okay, yeah, we've seen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

We've seen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go to Azure restaurant where Emmy and her sister Peyton sit at the bar and shockingly, Emm tells us that Peyton is her baby sister. Eight years younger than her, I would never believe. Well, well, then we find out that she is about to go to college. I was like, what? This girl's only 18? I was shocked. And she goes, she may look like Sydney Sweeney, but she has a baby girl. My heart forever. I was like, well, okay, I don't really see this any Sweeney thing, but that's okay. I didn't see that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't see that either. But, I mean, her sister's cute and everything, but I don't know. This is like, some extra delusion here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this is one of those. Like, she's Sydney Sweeney. Am I right? Am I right? I guess that makes me Sydney Sweeney, too. So Peyton's like, how is Vegas? And she goes, so. Okay, well, we all went to dinner, and, like, Will kind of stood up at the table and said, I want to apologize about Emmy. And I love Emmy with all my heart, and she's the best. I'm gonna be a lawyer. And he's. And, like, I just love her with all my heart and yada yada. You know, all the stuff he always says every single time we go with anyone, you know? You know? And all of a sudden, Austin ran his mouth, saying, like, all this about Will. And, you know, Peyton's like. Like, I don't know who any of these people are. Just, can I get my free fries?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Peyton's just looking at her like, you're buying this lunch, right? Because I'm so uncomfortable, like, pretending that Will's not a total dirtbag. So then we see a flashback to the Vegas dinner where Austin's like, apparently, it's common knowledge at this law school that this man has slept with multiple people. And then Emmy's like, slow motion, tears squirting out. So then back to the restaurant, she's like. So I start to, like, have a panic attack. Like, why are we going in? Oh, my God. Can good people just win? Sometimes, like, I have to defend something that's not true. You know, it was, like, shut down. Like, long story short, like, he's being bullied. You know what I mean? And I'm, like, not been going through bullshit with each other. Like, if anything, it's made us love each other even more. Like, if anything, like, I want Will's baby inside of me right now. Like, he deserves it. He deserves it. How's your salad?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that Will is gonna propose next summer as soon as he can get himself unjammed from the locker that his bully shoved him into. Oh, God. Fingers crossed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. Question, question. Waiter. Come here, come here, come here, come here, come here. Wait. I just wanted to ask you something about the menu.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Yes. Should.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well. And I get married in London. Yes or no? Yes or no?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because I was thinking, like, they call them lawyers barristers over there, and I could be Mr. And Mrs. Barrister, you know? And I was like, kind of thing. Like, we could be friends with, like, Kate and Will because they know, like, oh, my God. Be like Will on Will. Like, would be like, two Wills would, like, run each other in the street and be like, your name's Will? My name is Will and I'm America. Like, we'll totally hit it off. It's going to happen, Peyton. It's all going to happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want to get married somewhere where everybody's as white as Will Fade's. Like, that would be fun. So, like, it's good that you believe Will, because personally, I wouldn't. She goes, what? What do you mean? What do you mean by that? What do you mean you wouldn't What?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just the rumors are just, like, scary. And I don't know, I just think it's. It's so weird. And I mean, he's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Look, like. I mean, look, something you don't understand. Like, you're like young Sydney Sweeney. Like, you don't really understand things like old Sydney Sweeney does now. And, like, when you're an adult, things are different. So, like, you just take a lot more because you're that much closer to being a barrister's wife.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. Okay. The foundation of a relationship should be friendship. And, like, Will and I tell each other everything. We don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever lie. And that is a fact. That's true. We are lawyers. Well, I'm not a lawyer, but I, like, pretend to be a lawyer. Like, I dress up like a. Not a lawyer, but he's a lawyer. He's gonna be a lawyer. He's gonna be a barrister, actually. He's actually gonna run England. I don't know if you heard this. He's actually the Prime Minister of England. They've already chosen him. And so we're friends. And the. The. The foundation of being a good prime minister is having a friendship first with the country and your wife. It. It all makes sense.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just.

[Ben Mandelker]

You'll see when you're older.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like. I mean, usually if you cheat on the person you're dating, it's because you don't even love the person anymore, so. Right. And she goes, huh? I mean, like, from your opinion, like, do I seem happy? Like, because the only people who cheat are, like, unhappy and they're marriage. That's not true. People in happy marriages cheat all the time. Yeah, I. Some of them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think. I often. I think has nothing to do with happiness. I think it's just like other hardwiring that I'm sure you just go to a therapist for and they'll tell you all about it. Or just watch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or it's just boners. Men are pigs, and we get boners. And once you get a boner, the boner starts telling you what to do. Okay? The boner is the boss. And sometimes that just. I'm not saying it's right. Right. But I'm just saying there's no. A guy doesn't need some deep, dark, emotional reason to cheat on your ass. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's got some free time, and he's got a boner.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean those pipes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Sometimes you don't even need a boner. Even guys without boners can cheat on you. You know, guys are very multifaceted.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Peyton is like, well, you seem overwhelmed. Tables. I am very overwhelmed. Oh, my God. I made 14 charcuterie plates for Will this week. Oh, my God. I was like, it's busy. It's busy over here. Oh, my God. I'm. I'm overwhelmed with love. Love. Overwhelmed with love. You're cute. You're so cute. You're so young and so cute and naive. You don't understand how love works, but this is way love works. She says, I love you, and then I trust it. Okay? That's it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And this is why we need cameras in everybody's car, because you know that the second they got in there, she's like, what the Was that, Peyton? I called you Sydney Sweeney? Me?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're my sister. You're supposed to be loyal to me. You're my sister.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go to Pl. Mod pottery. You know, which every. Every young person loves. Every free love and fun young person loves to do. Go to the pottery store with the gang. So they go to the. To the make your own pottery place, and Preston's there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Preston. Oh, my God. I, like, missed you. I missed you so much. I was thinking of doing the teeth. Hello. I was thinking of doing the tea steeper, because I'm always spilling the tea. And he's like, oh, my God. I don't even know what I'm gonna do quite yet. But, like, maybe we could put it in our future house together. Oh, my God. The pineapple. Upside down pineapple at the bottom of the sea. Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Preston says we should do it upside down. Girl, that's a man who's already ready to cheat on you. Yeah, because that's the switch, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think they were referencing spongebob. Isn't. Doesn't spongebob live in upside down pineapple at the bottom of the sea.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, up. I mean, I don't know nothing about spongebob. I've always been too old for that. Even if I was a kid when that came out, I still would have been too old. I was just like that as a kid. I would have been smoking a cigarette at 5. Like, nope, I'm not watching this. That pock marked and square. Get me someone hotter. I need a hotter thing to look up to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you to AI for providing this very serious response to my question. Where does SpongeBob live? Where does SpongeBob live? SpongeBob SquarePants lives in a pineapple at 124 Conch street or Conch street in Bikini Bottom in Undersea City in the Pacific Ocean. And then we have some bullet points. Spongebob is a yellow sponge who works as a fry cook at the Krusty Kramer. His pineapple home is three stories tall and has a living room, a word closet and other amenities. SpongeBob lives with his pet snail, Gary, and his pet scallop Shelly. His neighbors include Patrick and Squidward. And Bikini Bottom is based on Bikini Atoll, a small island in the Pacific Ocean where the US conducted nuclear weapons tests during this fun during the Cold War. Thank you, AI, for that comprehensive answer.

[Ronnie Karam]

But this is, this is what Preston's bringing in. He's not bringing up spongebob. This is upside down. Pineapple means you're a swinger couple and you're gonna each other's friends. Okay? That's what that means. So Michaels is like, things are definitely great with Preston. Like, I mean, we talked every day in Vegas and made sure, I was sure, I made sure he was shirtless when we FaceTime because I miss his body.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Lake shows up with her longtime best friend and current girlfriend, Shelby. And Lake is tired and Lake is like, like, Shelby is like one of my best friends. And like whenever we do see each other, we are still intimate. Like, she's like a best friend with benefits. And like, part of the reason why I lost interest in Brad is because, like, I'm not really feeling dudes right now. Like, there's times where like the girls, I like girls more and there's times where I like guys more. And like right now I'm in for like the girls season, you know, So.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love this for her. She's not interested in Bradley cuz she's dating this girl instead. And she's like, yeah, we were like 16 and we just started like making out one day and I felt so comfortable around her. Like she was my sexual awakening. So, yeah, we have a soul bond. So back at Pottery, Lake is like, shelby's met my whole. Oh, no. Like, says, shelby's my whole family. And Michael says, even your dad. And Shelby goes, oh, yeah, Mr. Rucker. Very direct businessman.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shelby. Shelby's like, rage painting her, like, pottery. Yes, I love Mr. Rucker. So Michael, like, how does it feel about. How does he feel about you guys being together? Like, he, like, does he know. Does he know about this right now? And Lake is like, yeah, we were always together. It's, like, pretty obvious. But, like, my dad and I, we try to, like, avoid those conversations. So, like, we have a really close relationship, and she basically talks about how she doesn't want to. Like, she's, like, afraid of, like, losing a relationship with her dad because, like, her family's successful and, you know, they care a lot about what the public has to say, and especially because it's the South. And she talks a lot about, like. Like, you know, how, like, you know, being a part of a Southern, black, Christian family, there's, like, a way of speaking and presenting yourself. And she has, like, a lot of pressure on her, basically. And, like, her family might view her as being as, like, having a disease if she's, like, gay or fluid. And, like, you know, this is. This is what she's struggling with. Which is interesting that this is. This is really an ongoing theme on this show. Like, we've had. This is our fourth, I think, LGBTQ member, because we also had Mikhail the first season. And, like, every season, there's been, like, this. This struggle that these. These people have been going through, the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Struggle with being gay in the south, you know, and she's talking. I did find it amusing that she's like, yeah, my family's, like, super Christian and super successful. And so, like, I don't want to embarrass them, which is why I fucked a guy last week on camera. It's like, you just took a guy back to your hotel room last week.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's why I decided to have a giant house party on Bravo TV in our home. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it was a good conversation. And, you know, she's with, you know, three other queer people. So they're telling, you know, Preston's like, if they don't know who you are, you're. You're going to disappoint them, you know, because they're proud of who they don't even know. You know, they need to know who you really are. And Michael's is talking about his mom, and he was always trying to Get a girlfriend to please other people. And he's like, you're going to get to a point where you're like, okay, I'm painting an upside down pineapple because some hot guy wants me to. And that's just it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's a nice moment. It's. It's a really nice scene. And my uncles is like, I never want Lake to be in a place where she feels she can't be herself. So I'm going to try to guide her based on my own experience. Also by the fact that I'm, like, so good as, like, a manager at Republic. So I know it's not easy, kind of like building that sign, but I'm going to get her through it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Let's see what else happens here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here. It's just a nice scene. It's like a very nice, lovely, sweet scene.

[Ronnie Karam]

And yeah, it was. It was a nice scene. Sorry. I was texting my dad because he's coming over to the Internet. So I was like, sorry, the place.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're like, speaking of parents, you're like, oh, dad, you're coming over. Except me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was 15 years old. I was like, hello. So then, Republic Garden lounge and patio, it's time. Time for Sir Wieners. So guess who's here. Our face. Sir Wieners. Did I knight that? I don't think so. You are not sir until I tell you you're sir. Welcome to Sir Wieners. I am Leah, CEO.

[Ben Mandelker]

You see, like, like, like, like flames going up to the side of, like, Republic, and like a Leah shows up on a Harley, takes off her mask. Hey, Leah, CEO here. Sir Wieners. How about you, Wieners? I'll tell you what. Wieners get to come in here. The only wiener I care about is the one that's going into my vag after my shift. Now clean that table.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Are you putting merch here? Because if I was you, I would move that furniture and put merch there. But I don't want to step on any wieners here. I'm only a C.E. o. You do it how you want to do it. Would you like to lose money to today? Good. You're on the right track. Congratulations. I'm not getting paid for this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers. Literal feathers. You gay bird. You have feathers? Sorry, I lost track. That one got away from me. You know, even CEOs have trouble sometimes. Sometimes it's hard to come with a good disc. I'll probably get written up by hr, but guess what? HR reports to me. Yeah. Is back, back, back, back on top of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. The stench of sweaty uniforms in a.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

In the 1980s, a swept the country. Hey, Mike, I really like this white zinfandel. Well, good, good. Now put it down.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna try another one.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Families in the business. The Licciardis.

[Ben Mandelker]

But the closer the feds got to them, the more dangerous things became. It's a story of deceit.

[Ronnie Karam]

At the time, I was paranoid. Threats. You touch my kids, I will kill you. And murder with a.22 caliber bullet to the head.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, wow. So you're gonna put hot dogs on actual hot dog buns instead of little napkins that can be wiped across a table to make it cleaner. Good for you in the mood to lose money. You're on the right track. You snoozer.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like very anxious about today, especially because Leah CEO keeps on trying to snort the hot dogs like their cocaine. I don't know what she's doing. It's relish. But I feel organized and that makes me turned on organization. And the card is on display and we have Merchandise on both sides. And all the hot dogs are going to come out of the kitchen today and be passed around like hors d'oeuvres. Because it's the debut and start of a brand, and I want it to be a success. I'm like, you're not going to pull.

[Ronnie Karam]

The hot dogs out of the hot dog cart.

[Ben Mandelker]

The hot dog cart is purely for photographic reasons.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it is. Because how can you do. I mean, he has a huge menu. He made hot dogs. I took a screenshot of it. I shouldn't look through my screenshots right now. I've taken screenshots of so many shameful things. Okay, Sir Wieners menu. The PB Wiener time. The U Up dog. The Meanie Weenie, the dumpster dog, fully loaded, all beef hot dog toast with chili, melted cheese. Basically, there's a ton of stuff on here, and. And there's a lot of toppings. Where are you going to put those? On that hot dog cart. That's what I don't understand. You need a bigger cart and you need a flat top.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm actually on his web, I have to say, by the way, the website's great. I'm on the website right now. It has this adorable little, like, 2007 animated GIF of Sir Wieners going in rotation. But honestly, they killed it. Like, the photography is good. It's clean. Okay, so he has the dumpster dog, which is fully. A lot of hot dogs. These are a lot of hot dogs, man. 71.

[Ronnie Karam]

71 hoodie. Yeah, you better send us one.

[Ben Mandelker]

71. Okay. I have to say, the worst wiener. This is not an appealing photo. Some of the. Some of the food photography needs to be worked on. The worst wiener looks literally like a dookie. But you know what, though?

[Ronnie Karam]

The dumpster dog looks good. The PB Wiener time looks good.

[Ben Mandelker]

The dog looks great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hot dog layered with smooth peanut butter, crunchy pretzels, diced bacon, and a touch of garlic crunch. What the is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to tell you, the Meanie Weenie looks really good. The worst wiener. I. I just would like a regular hot dog, though. Do you just have, like, regular.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, the worst wiener does look like a dead person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Worst wiener is. Worst wiener needs some help. It's, like, a little pale and looks like the onions are falling off of it. Like, we need to redo that photo. But you up dog is the traditional plain hot dog served with ketchup and mustard, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it's Dijon mustard, so it's not traditional.

[Ben Mandelker]

Additional it. I agree.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some yellow mustard Yeah, I do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like. I like that the hot dog looks like it's in a little blanket. Like, the hot dog looks like it's asleep in a bed.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also, the pickles on the. It's all about wieners look a little pale. I need.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

A different picture for that one too.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're gonna need to upgrade that. Those pickles.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will say the hot dog buns look good. They look kind of.

[Ben Mandelker]

The buns look. They look. The bottom look great.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would say 80 of these hot dogs look really good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. I would eat. Honestly, I would eat every single one of them. Find our wieners, Lamar, today.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then people start showing up, and there's, like, a big martini full of tiny little hot dog things in there. And Will sees it, and he's like, my dog. My God. Hot dogs in a martini glass. Oh, God. Objection.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. You don't like it. Would you prefer hot dogs in a torch of some kind? Got it. So then I hate hot dogs.

[Ronnie Karam]

I find them, like, disgusting. Hot dogs are, like, the lowest tier of sausages. You're the lowest tier of sausage. You are the lowest tier. How dare you.

[Ben Mandelker]

The lowest one. Oh, my goodness. Like, literally. Hot dogs are wonderful. They are. They're the most. They're the most accessible tier of hot. Of sausage. Doesn't mean that they're the worst.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, no, he's the most accessible form of sausage.

[Ben Mandelker]

He is accessible and the worst. He's the worst. Worst. So Emmy comes in, and she is doing a Leon lock and hot dog slash Bronwyn costume. And she's like, everyone, hey, ask me about my wiener. Oh, ask me about my wiener. And Will's like, I think Emmy wins best dress. Guys, look, she dressed like a hot dog. Isn't that, like, hilarious? Like, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, hey, guys, I got. I got a wiener. I got a wiener costume from Amazon. I'm like, the best friend here. And he's like, would you pass some wieners? She's like, oh, okay. Put your right to work.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, see, they're. You know, she just passing around hot dog platters, and people are like, everyone's excited. And Mia's working too. And she goes, I don't know who's a better friend than me because I'm working for free at a place I got fired from. And we see a flashback to her getting fired. And so that was pretty good.

[Ronnie Karam]

When she thought she was being all badass with Leba, she's like, I mean, there are plenty of people that you haven't fired Here who have been drinking on the job. She goes, like, who? Like me? You've been drinking on the job? Yeah, you're fired. And she's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I wonder if she'll ever come. I wonder if the leva will ever hire her back. Because she's like, now Mia's in that purgatory that happens on these hospitality shows where you don't work at the restaurant anymore, so there's not really a reason for you to be around, but you still sort of, like, linger on the sidelines.

[Ronnie Karam]

So rules did it for at least six of the 10 years, so I think they'll be Kristen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now Taylor and Rodrigo show up from southern charm. So watch out. Everyone called the charisma police.

[Ronnie Karam]

This was sad. I was like, wow, the stars are all out today. Rodrigo, have you noticed or not? Rodrigo, Rod, have you noticed that Taylor has a totally different personality on this show?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's weird. I didn't. I was about to say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Relaxed and energetic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I noticed that as well. She seems like she's like. Like she doesn't seem shell shocked. She doesn't seem traumatized.

[Ronnie Karam]

She doesn't seem like she's in the middle of a lobotomy on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Oh, and speaking of lobotomies, by the way, people definitely tune in to hear our dwell hello that we're going to record this week because there is definitely a southern lobotomy girl that's happened that's on this. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're really like, I want the bigger.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want a view.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I'm home. I need a view. I don't care if it costs more money.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have a dog named lottie. Lottie, do you like this view? I want it all.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, the stars are out tonight. So love is talking to Maddie. She's like, how is Vegas? Was like, it was so much fun. We got fake married. Don't worry, though. It was only fake. Don't ask Joe about it. He thinks it's real super fun. It's just like, what? I have no rings. So it was a commitment ceremony. It was just. It was hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love is like, yeah, sounds great. I'm gonna go hang out with little. So then Brad is talking to Joe and he's like, hey, congratulations on the marriage. When's the honeymoon, huh? He's like, oh, yeah, I'm. I'm on, like a one year plan. Like, I want to propose, like, pretty soon. It's like, really? Like, how long have you guys actually been dating for? For like four months. But it feels like we've been, like, dating for, like, a year, so I was like, we're pretty much married.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Brad's like, I don't know what quantum physics Joey Bottles has been doing, but four months does not translate into a year, so. Quantum physics. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like a DJ now, and, like, if she, like, goes on the road and I'm, like, not with her, I just, like. I like the feeling of being engaged, you know? Oh, that's nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Brad's like, yeah, Joe's a little insecure there. You know, he doesn't want to be left behind. So then TJ is mingling around, and love is like, oh, my God, this event is, like, such a success. I'm, like, so proud of tj, you know? Like, he's not only benefiting me, he's benefiting my spaces. So Sir Wiener's partnership.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think the hot dogs are going to play really well with the Tommy Bahamas set. So now we go. Now the music's like, work hard, play harder. Work hard, play harder.

[Ronnie Karam]

Work hard, play harder.

[Ben Mandelker]

Will's not cheating. Like, whoa. Oh, okay. So then inside. We're going inside a republic, and TJ is pull. He pulls us. Emmy aside to talk, and she's like. She's like. She's like, hi. Hi. And he goes, I just want to thank you for yesterday. I just feel like it's been, like, a rough summer for us, and I want to make sure that we're both on the same page. Yeah, of course we're on the same page. Just, like, how me and Wheeler on totally on the same page. We're gonna get married. And, like, we're in love. And, like, he doesn't cheat. Like, pages I love pages I love Bucks. You know what I love? No. Like, more than books, magazines. And I can't wait to see me in the magazine with Kate and Will when we move to London, and he's embarrassed her, and we're, like, friends going on double dates. Oh, what's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

We find me and you. We're, like, totally fine. I mean, I bought a wiener outfit, so, like, have you seen it? I was wearing it. It was hilarious. Like, can I ask you something? Something. So last night, I thought we were, like, really loving each other and we're at a better place. But then when you left, Taylor was like, emmy said, this is all your fault this summer, and you're just like a stupid vacuumer, and you're never gonna find love. And she's like, oh, no, no, Taylor. I was afraid she was gonna Say that. What I was saying was, like, I really support hot dogs, and I'm totally into you, and you're doing an amazing job. So weird. I wonder how she heard that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I didn't blame you. I didn't blame you for it whatsoever. Not at all. Nothing. Everything's fine. Everything is totally fine. Because I just, like, want to truly believe that, like, it wasn't, like, trying to conspire or, like, come after you. Like, I just want you to believe that. I know. I know. I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tj. TJ is like, I hope that it didn't come off. Like, I'm trying to, like, ruin your relationship with Will because he's a cheating bastard, and I want you to break up.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't. And I don't want you to think. I don't want to think anything. Like, you don't want to lessen me. I know. I don't know. I don't think less of you, and I don't think that you have bad intentions or. I think that you're a bad friend. You're just, like, an unsupportive friend. You're just someone who's not there. There's someone trying to, like, hurt me and Will. Hurt. Like, our relationship hurt. Like, what we're trying to do here. Trying to, like, this project that we're on this. This mission, this. This. This journey, and you're just kind of, like, spoke in the wheel, and we're just gonna crash and, like, we're gonna, like, break our limbs all because of you. But I love you. And I love you, and I support you and your hot dogs, and there's been, like, a lot going on and all that. And, like, I think Serena was the perfect event to bring us back together in a. You know, like, for no good reason. It's just hot dogs. But, like, we're together now. We're friends. Everything's fine. Everything's okay. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's, like, kissing his butt. She's like. I mean, Mr. Wieners, you're, like, the king of dicks. Am I right? So it's, like, fitting. It's great. It's great. We're good. We're good. We're good. Hot dog. I'm hot dog. And so then she tells us. She's like, yeah, I don't trust T.J. i mean. I mean, he'll turn on you if it benefits him. Like, if he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, you're on his bad side. It's exhausting. And that's why I'm being friend to him, because I'm, like, terrified of him. Okay, let's roll a clip of him yelling at women. So then we get the that clip. And she's like, yeah, so I'm going to be nice to him so he doesn't ruin my life. So. Hope he doesn't hear this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now everyone's going to start their shifts and everything, and Joe goes up to tj and he's like, I just want, you know, I'm like, really inspired by our Sir Wieners event. I think I'm going to have an event called Sir Married. Let just be pictures of Maddie's face that we're going to hand out. It'll be great.

[Ronnie Karam]

So TJ's, like, my event was amazing. The bar did five grand on Wednesday, and I sold 100 tickets at the door, so I bas made all my money back. I was like, how much were those tickets? A thousand.

[Ben Mandelker]

So TJ's like, by the way, I just, like, really appreciated the text you sent me. Oh, yeah, the text where I said, sent a hot dog emoji and was like, good job. Yeah. It really would have hurt me if we weren't cool when you had that party, because, like, in my bones, I would have been like, you know. Anyway, I love you.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love you, too. Are we married? No, I'm already married, bro. Sorry. So then the next day, Maddie's house, she's talking to her mom, Mary Ellen, and Mary Ellen is like. She goes, hey, mom, how are you doing? She goes, running around. Good, good. Running around. Incredibly busy. So what, is Joe there? Is Joe there at your house? And she's like, no, mom, but we did get fake married. And she's like, did you sign any fake papers, Madison? It's like, no, Mom, I'm not signing. Stupid. Did you fuck him on TV again? Because I told you if you fucked another person on tv, I was going to be very upset. No, mom, seriously.

[Ben Mandelker]

He didn't put a ring around your finger? No, like, literally, lo fucking l, Mom. Like, if anything, it was like a commitment ceremony. And, like, I appreciate that reassurance from Joe because that, like, he would want that from me from one day. She goes, okay, so how long have you been dating that idiot, Mom? I mean, that lovely man, like, almost like five months. Yeah. Okay, this is moving fast. Mad. Okay, you have been out of that relationship with Trevor for, like, only, like, a second, you know, And. Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, Mom. Yeah, for sure. But, like, I trust Joe and I Love him, and I could see a future with him, and he's like, my best friend. Like, I mean that, mom, but, like, I don't think we're ready to, like, get fucking married. But, like, we don't even, like, live with each other. I just think, like, my number one priority is, like, my career right now. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, we. Dad and I taught you how to be an independent woman, honey. And your identity is Maddie Reese, DJ Lo Ellen. Don't you forget it. She's like, okay, Mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then don't you forget we're a household that loves music. Remember, that was her thing from season one. I grew up in a household. Like, everyone in my family likes music.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm really musical. That's why I'm so musical. We're basically like the Sound of Music family, but, you know, with old Michael Jackson records and a place Playback. So then Joe comes home and she's on the couch, and he's like, you look really pretty right now. You look like my wife. You are my wife. So what are you working on, dj? Are you, like, remixing wedding music? Like, Don't Cry Out Loud. Is that a wedding song? I meant shall we dance? That one where the girl's dad is dead, but, like, she still dances at the wedding. That was, like, really sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm crying. Why don't you do something that's like, should we do, like, a remix that's like, going to the chapel, but it's like, reference to chapel roan. Like, we're going to a chapel own concert, but it's like, so it's current, but it's also, like, referencing that we got married, you know? You know what I'm saying?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait a minute. Yelling at me right now in my head and calling me disrespectful. Never mind. Take her out of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Take her out of it. I'm, like, hot to go. So Maddie is like. She's like, no, I'm looking at houses to buy right now, Joe. She's like, wait. Oh, yeah, yeah. Zillow. Yeah, Zillow. Yeah. I thought it was going to be like. I thought it be like Redfin, but it's like, yeah, Zillow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, are. Are you looking for houses for yourself or for, like, us?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God, this scene is so cringe to watch. She's like, well, like, I want to invest in real estate, and I'm, like, sick of paying rent and, you know, like, I have to, like, grow up and, like, live on my own or, like, I guess live with you, but, like, I really like living with my girlfriends, Joe. And he goes, yeah, but like, I like living with your girlfriends too. But, like, it's been like five months of me going all the way over there and spending every night there there, and I don't have my things. It's like, it's. It's grueling. It's really grueling. Buy me a house.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Like, I live. I live like two minutes from Republic. Where I'm at and where Maddie lives, that's like 45 minutes away. Like, I don't own a car. And if I added up all the Ubers that I spent on going back and forth, I could have like, a G wagon. Or like, like, maybe not a G wagon, but like a Tahoe. Or like, maybe like, not a Tahoe, but, like, maybe like a used geoprism. Like, it's like, a lot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Then buy a car and stop your bitching.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Or at least hire Trevor to bike you over there on his little Rick Shaw.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Joe's like, oh, so we're like, moving in together? Cuz, like, I have money saved up too. And she goes, no, that's like, pressure, okay? And we're like, in this honeymoon phase. He goes, but I want to communicate, like, how you feel about it. Cuz, like, I'm not pressuring you. I'm just saying, like, my honest truth is, like, we're married and we need to live together. Like, yesterday day. You know what I mean? And she's like, we don't need to make that decision right now, Joe. She's like, why am I paying rent when you could be buying a house? Like, this is ridiculous. Like, I can't just, like, drive to that house 30 minutes. Like, I'm just not. I'm. I'm not doing that for another year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, then don't. What the you talking?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then even. Even she says, then don't. Like, if you want to stay here, then stay here. I just feel like I go to your house to sleep with you because, like, I want to be with you, but sometimes I feel. Feel like you could care less if I'm there. Like, you're not, like, gonna compromise with me on that. I'm like, joe, then make her miss you a little bit. It's that simple.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Joe basically got a child putting a dry cleaning bag over their head and running around the house. You're suffocating them. Okay, stop suffocating her. She acts like she doesn't want you to be there. Because she doesn't want you to be there. And you're there all the time. Go home, Joe. Go home.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. Can I ask you something, Joe? Years ago, you gave me a really hard time about moving in with my boyfriend like you did, out of everyone. And we see a flashback to watch happens live where, like, Joe's giving Maddie, like, all sorts of for moving in with Trevor. And by the way, I just want to say to those two Bravo fans who called in to ask that question that caused all this. Congratulations. You not only caused a storyline to happen on the show, but you got to have like, like a really long amount of bonus airtime on Bravo. That was really cool. Because Job, you're like, what are you talking about, B? Cuz the flashback were like these two people who asked Joe and Maddie something like, do you think that they moved in too quickly? And so they were up on screen like they were having this argument, but these two girls were like, up on screen sort of smiling. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Watch what happens live provides the most mess for these shows for sure. And he's like. She's like, but you're putting me in the same situation, yo. And he's like, oh, you're the one looking at houses. Like, I mean, look, like, does that guy make you a better person? Okay, look, let me phrase it this way. Does your husband make you a better person? Like, like, are you better at work? Do I make you a better dj? Like, who's the one who taught you the crossfade? Whoopee. Okay, that was me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do I give you more confidence? Are you happy sleeping with me six out of seven times a week or seven out of seven times a week? Like, are you? Are you Are you are? You are? You are, you are. And she's like, yes, Joe. And he's like, and the fact you had to even think about it, she's like, I didn't have to think about it, but it's like the whole world ripped me apart from moving with Trevor and now you want me to do it again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but that was like two years ago, and he was like driving a bike taxi down fucking King street. And he had like. You had no future with that guy. I'm a little different with me. I stand in the front of a club and I'm like, you want to come in? You want to come in? Like that's a future.

[Ronnie Karam]

That guy never flashed a pamphlet at anybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that guy never went to a kitchen and said, okay, we need happy birthday at table 47. Seven. Like that's that's someone with a future, okay?

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's got a point, but she's trying to win a. She's trying to win, like, a logical argument with Joe. She's basically saying, you judged me for moving in too quick, but now you want me to move in with you even quicker. Like, leave me alone. That shouldn't be the argument. The argument should be like, it's nice dating you. We're not really married. I'm not ready to move in with you, period. I'm buying a house and we're not buying a house. Stop it. You're suffocating me. And, man, it's going to either cheat on him or break up with him. There's no way. Because she's so not into this. And it's not because she doesn't want to move in with him. And all of this, you can tell she just does not want to be in this. And I think she's in the situation where she's like, now we're in it. And now if I break up with you, I'm going to get a bunch of. Because now you're like this sweetheart, you know, and you're looking like the perfect boyfriend when you're really being kind of a controlling. And now the world's going to rip me apart again if I break up with you, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And, like, there's a part of me that wonders if she's just in, like, nice guy rebound phase. Because sometimes, like, people who date toxic men will date, like, the nice guy to feel like they are on the route, like, breaking the cycle, but they're not. Their heart's not really into in it. And then they go back to the toxicity, which is very sad, but it does. I've seen it happen like a million times with people. So then Maddie's like, no, Joe. I'm just saying, like, after. You don't know what it's like to make a decision and have people commenting and be like, you're an idiot. You're stupid. Okay? Like, I dated him for a year before I moved in. And like, you're dating before.

[Ronnie Karam]

First of all, stop the car. Joe knows what it's like to be called an idiot on the Internet. Yeah, we've been doing it for three days.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's. Go ahead, start the car. So then she's just like. It's like, I mean, what's that saying? If it ain't broke, don't do a remix of it. No, don't fix it. Are you sure it's not Remix it. No, fix it.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, you know, have you heard all the controversy? I mean, that's basically the whole conversation. Conversation. But the. Have you heard the controversy of her song that she came out with? It's a total ripoff.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, you haven't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it's a total rip off. It's not even original at all. Well, she didn't rip off anybody worth a damn. No offense.

[Ben Mandelker]

La la la la la was not original.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it's Lala's song. Lala had another song.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it really is Lala. Yes, it's a. Lala was rip off of Lala.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was a rip off of Lala. But it turns out, out allegedly it's like some. Something you could just buy online and like the DJs will buy online and kind of remix to be their own thing. And she didn't change anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And there are sites like that for DJs where you can find, you know, beats and stuff like that to mix in. But apparently they just took this whole song and just maybe put some la Las over it.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it's like. It's like using garage bands to string together some loops and then releasing a single, which is what I did for. For my Countess Luan songs. But I also didn't do that as a serious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we do it for this. Yeah, but it's not serious.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, we're not like real even.

[Ronnie Karam]

But no, G. No, because we actually put the stuff together. Like we chose different beats out of GarageBand and mix and match beats. She didn't do that. She like literally took something that was already done and yikes. Deleting all the comments and stuff. Stuff, guys on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Is that what that saying is? Yeah, all things sometimes break the end. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, I did not know that. That's a fun little piece of controversy. That's like. I love, I love a controversy like that. Like a low. A low stakes, low wattage, you know, like theft situation. It's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. All right, everybody. Well, thanks so much for being here for some Southern hospital. We'll be back later. Well, we'll be back every day, but later in the week is our traders. Our most recent traders recap is already up. So go check that out over at Patreon. And if you want these on videos, patreon.com if you want tickets, watch what crappens.com for all our live shows coming up in March, April and May. We sure. Love you guys.

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