#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You

Summary

Summary of Podcast Episode #2750: RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You

Watch What Crappens hosts, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam, delve into the latest episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH) Season 14, Episode 1414, titled "Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You." Released on March 5, 2025, this episode marks the first part of their in-depth recap series.

Introduction

The episode begins with Ben and Ronnie navigating midweek blues, humorously mistaking Wednesday for Thursday due to their excitement about the show's developments. They set the stage for a lively discussion focused primarily on RHOBH, with teasers about upcoming live shows in Cincinnati, Minneapolis, and Toronto.

Main Discussion: RHOBH Season 14, Episode 1414

Divorce Drama and Paparazzi Intrigue

Ben introduces the central plotline involving Kyle and Mauricio's tumultuous relationship. The hosts express skepticism over Kyle's claim that Mauricio's public displays of affection are accidental, questioning the authenticity of his ex-wife's responses.

Ben Mandelker [08:55]: "I saw it on your Instagram. I think it looks really good, that shirt. And I was like, wow, Ben's inner style is really coming out with you learning to sew."

Ronnie Karam [10:10]: "I am a queer egg."

The discussion highlights the strained interactions between Kyle and her ex-wife, Kathy Hilton, emphasizing the tension caused by Mauricio's rumored new relationship. Ben and Ronnie humorously dissect Kathy's defensive stance, interpreting her actions as attempts to maintain her reputation while subtly undermining Mauricio.

Ronnie Karam [12:20]: "Well, better to keep 'wife' on your Instagram bio when Mauricio is seen with someone else."

Interior Design and Personal Growth

The conversation shifts to Sutton's house makeover, where Erica showcases her revamped living spaces. Ben and Ronnie critique the overuse of wild wallpaper and antique furnishings, juxtaposing Erica's new aesthetic with her previous cluttered decor.

Ben Mandelker [29:00]: "I like that. I actually thought the bedroom was his best room. That one just looked fantastic."

Ronnie Karam [32:04]: "You're surrounded by Hollywood palm, also known as Hollywood copper and palm fronds."

Health and Personal Reflections

The hosts briefly touch upon the importance of mammograms, referencing Kathy and Kyle's visits to the mammogram center. This segment serves as a poignant reminder amidst the show's drama, blending seriousness with their signature humor.

Ben Mandelker [36:29]: "Everyone get their mammograms."

Ronnie Karam [37:15]: "This is a good reminder."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker [04:09]: "That's greedy." – Commenting on Apple's 30% cut from Patreon subscriptions.

• Ronnie Karam [10:19]: "I'm proud of you. I'm proud of queer eggs." – Supporting Ben’s new sewing hobby.

• Ben Mandelker [16:57]: "Why did it take us so long to come up with 'Pour Eat'?" – Referring to the controversial nickname for Dorit.

• Ronnie Karam [25:04]: "Sutton is never more triggered when than when she is discussing divorce." – Highlighting Sutton's sensitivity around divorce topics.

• Ben Mandelker [43:26]: "Everyone thinks that this photo was staged, but she's trying to take the high road." – On Kathy's reaction to Mauricio's rumored affair.

Hosts’ Banter and Side Topics

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie engage in playful banter about mundane topics, such as the rising prices of eggs and Ben’s new sewing hobby. These segments provide comic relief and showcase their chemistry as co-hosts.

Ronnie Karam [06:15]: "I was rabble rousing." – Describing her mock protest about expensive eggs.

Ben Mandelker [09:34]: "But when I sew, I make these wild things for myself." – Discussing his creative outlet through sewing.

Upcoming Attractions and Live Shows

Ben and Ronnie announce their upcoming live shows across various cities, encouraging listeners to attend and engage with their content beyond the podcast. They humorously hint at surprises and exclusive content available through their Patreon and Wondery+ platforms.

Ben Mandelker [07:37]: "Join us there, please. You can find ticket links on our website, watchcrappens.com."

Ronnie Karam [07:46]: "We'll be announcing what we're doing next weekend for live shows on Friday."

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie tease the continuation of their RHOBH recap in part two, maintaining anticipation for further discussions. They sign off with a humorous approach, ensuring listeners remain engaged and eager for the next installment.

Ben Mandelker [56:00]: "Hey everyone. This is the end of part one of this recap for part two."

Ronnie Karam [56:25]: "If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus."

Final Thoughts

Episode #2750 of Watch What Crappens offers a comprehensive and entertaining recap of RHOBH Season 14 Episode 1414, blending insightful commentary with humor. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam successfully navigate the intricacies of Beverly Hills' social drama, providing listeners with both critical analysis and lighthearted banter. Their inclusion of memorable quotes and timestamps enhances the summary, making it a valuable resource for fans and newcomers alike.

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[Ben Mandelker]

Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just loved. Talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is the incomparable and handsome Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello. How are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

I am absolutely fabulous. Like one of your favorite sitcoms. Just, you know, enjoy. We're midweek here. It's hump day. We're having a great time. I keep on thinking it's Thursday. I've been, I thought it's Thursday the past three days, which is rough when you think it's Thursday all week long. But now we're actually approaching Thursday. So I'M great. We have some Real Housewives of Beverly Hills to discuss today. We will also be recapping on a separate episode Denise Richards and her wild things also this week. Very, very exciting. I, I think this is the reason why I've been thinking it's Thursday all week long is because I can't stop thinking about it. Traders finale is this Thursday and we have been recapping the entire season on Patreon. So if you've been wondering where our traders recaps are, they're over there. Now, if you are not a Patreon member, you know, obviously we encourage you to join Watcher Crappings.com I mean, patreon.com Watcher Crappens. But something has happened in the world of Patreon and Apple, which is that Apple has introduced kind of this Apple tax, which means that if you sign up through your, through a Patreon app, as opposed to just going to the Patreon website, normally if you go through the app, Apple is going to take a 30% cut of that subscription. I mean, it's not. Doesn't impact you. You pay the same amount.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're just saying, no, no, it doesn't break them. It's more expensive.

[Ben Mandelker]

It does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. The prices, the prices through the Apple app are more expensive. So if you want less, sign up online, just sign up online and then you can still use the app.

[Ben Mandelker]

Crazy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know there's.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's greedy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, they're honestly such greedy. And what do they do for that 30%? Nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

They have a little app. Want to use the app, still use the app. Just sign up via web browser.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, that is, that is really upsetting to hear. So, yeah, go to the web browser. I mean, all these platforms raising their prices incessantly for what? And then, you know, like, it's so funny. There was the whole strike last year and all these, all these streamers and platforms said like, but we have no money. As they continue to raise the price over and over and over again. I wish we could go on strike, but we won't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who do we talk about housewives with? I mean, that's one, that's one reason we'll never go on strike. Our heads will explode if we don't have somebody to talk about this shit with.

[Ben Mandelker]

So also, picketing is really hard. It's really annoying. I picketed, I picketed during that, that strike. And I had to hold a sign. And you walk around and it's hot and humid and let me tell you something, it looks like it's easy. You just walk in circles. It gets old really quickly.

[Ronnie Karam]

It doesn't look easy to me. It's. It's hard to even walk around a grocery store. The other day I was in the H E B and I went from the produce to the eggs just to see how expensive eggs were. Because, you know, I want to be one of those people who's like, eggs. Eggs are so expensive. I wanted to do that. So I did it. It was fun. It was like a tourist thing in the store. So I went over to the egg section and I was like, this is exhausting. I'm so tired. Like, I looked at my steps on my app, my. On my watch. I was like, how many steps did I take? Aged five years.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. What was your. What was your pick? A chance? Was it like, hell, no. We will go. Actually, this is a lot of work.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I did this. I went and I stood in front of the ace. I went, eggs, $8. Oh, my. I know. And then everyone started going. Like, not everyone, but like a couple people are like, isn't it ridiculous? What is this world coming to? You just wait until the tariffs come. It was fun. I was rabble rousing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I like that. You should have also added in, we're here, we're queer, and we're not used to these egg prices.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know any other we're here eggs, we're queer eggs. Get used to it. I mean, if they were queer eggs, I would pay that much money. That would be awesome to have, like, gay eggs. I'd be like, here's my tip.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like if the eggs prices were wrapped up in the eggs as silver whites, I would support it. But I don't think it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're making eggs. You're like, I believe in life after love.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just start singing Cher. That's my protests.

[Ronnie Karam]

Queer eggs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Old queer eggs.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like really old. I'm not no chapel roan for me. I'm still sticking with my. With my old queen egg dance.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pink pony eggs. So we're in that kind of mood. By the way, next week we're going back out on the road. We're going to Cincinnati, we're going to Minneapolis, and we're going to Toronto. A love all three of those cities. I cannot wait to go back. So join us there, please. You can find ticket links on our website, watchcrapens.com and then we're going to go to a whole bunch of other places later in the month, like Atlanta. By the way, New Atlantic is coming up this weekend, and it's really good. And all the whole schedule's there, so watch what happens dot com.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we'll be announcing what we're doing next weekend for live shows on Friday, so check out our Instagram. And we'll also mention it here on the show, but yeah, that's where you find out.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, we will never mention it. It's a secret until you get there.

[Ronnie Karam]

We really don't know because it's such a weird in between time for Bravo. I'm used to having, like, multiple housewives to choose from, you know, at the end of the week, mid to end of the week, and we don't have that. So what will it be?

[Ben Mandelker]

We don't know. I know. And we're also doing, like, a Sunday show, which we don't often do Sunday shows, so it's like, why do we recap all the way on a Sunday when all the content aired earlier in the week? So we're gonna figure it all out, but it'll be fun no matter what.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, yeah, it's gonna be fun times. I'm excited.

[Ben Mandelker]

We always have a great time here.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm. I'm excited to start egg rabble all over the country. I'm going to every grocery store in every town and going, oh, the price. I'm all right. We're fighting out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you do that. So. So I'm talking, like, Michaels on Southern hospitality. So let's get all the Recall. Real Houses of Beverly Hills Season 14 Episode 1414 Everyone hemlines and headlines. You know, I sewed a shirt last night. I finished sewing a shirt last night. I almost wore it on today's Crap is on demand. And then I thought it'd be ridiculous, so I didn't. And now I kind of wish I had. I'm sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I saw it on your Instagram. I think it looks really good, that shirt. And I was like, wow, Ben's inner style is really coming out with you learning to sew. Like, I'm starting to see what you're going, like, what you're. You know, like your inner style. I don't know. Well, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's funny. You know, what's actually funny is that if I go to a store, I don't really know what to buy for myself, and I usually wind up. I always get stuff like sort of something that's like, blue or gray, and it's always kind of like, samey samy little safe. But when I sew, I Think going to the store, I see fun fabrics. I'm like, that looks fun. Wouldn't this be wild? And so I make these wild things for myself. But then when I shop very tamely for myself, is that fun?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like you, it's like before you eat, you eat, you eat queer eggs before you sew. You're like, yes, like you're living your best life. That sewing machine, I love it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I got some crazy ass fabric also. That is. Guys, here's a teaser. There's going to be a, there's going to be a wild, wild shirt coming down the pike. I got the craziest fab that it'll be hilarious. Anyway, so fashion, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

We're just supposed to know while we're talking about fashion, I'm very proud of you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks, Ronnie. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because that's all people do fashion for. They just need people to say they're proud.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you proud of me or are you just proud because you just did a protest for queer eggs?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm proud of you. I'm proud of queer eggs. I'm proud of everybody. No, but I'm proud of you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am a queer egg.

[Ronnie Karam]

So let's do this. So Bose is at home and really her only scene today made tea for her daughter. And it's true, I felt kind of bad for her because she didn't get any scenes today, but it was nice. And she's like, I picked the lemongrass myself. And her daughter's like, where? And she's like, from the jar.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know she made a. By the way, she made a vanilla lemongrass tea. I don't know if I would like that tea. I'm gonna say that right now. I think I would like the lemongrass part of it. I don't think I want vanilla in my tea. I think vanilla lemongrass. I don't know how you make vanilla lemongrass and it's not sweet. Also, I don't know vanilla giving.

[Ronnie Karam]

It makes everything I see because vanilla, every sweet recipe calls for vanilla. I mean, I eat overnight oats every day. Like that's my newest thing that I'm obsessing over. And the only thing that makes that taste good is vanilla. I don't care. You can put anything else in it, it won't taste right. But if you put some vanilla plus everything else, vanilla's a miracle worker, guys. You know what this world needs? Vanilla. Vanilla president.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, move over eggs. Vanilla's in town now. Vanilla is great. And there was a whole article in the New York Times about why. Why do we say vanilla like such a pejorative all the time when it's actually such an important ingredient with so much flavor that's, like, really expensive and valuable, but we still like, ew, that's vanilla. I'll spend 18 for that tiny jar of vanilla, please. So it's, like, obviously, like, nice, but vanilla's expensive.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is true.

[Ben Mandelker]

But it goes. It can go in crazy. It can go in a crazy direction. Villa Extract, fabulous vanilla flavoring. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You mean like the artificial flavoring?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, just like if you were to have like. Like a vanilla scented candle, which you obviously don't eat, or like a vanilla. Like, if you have some sort of, like, maybe a vanilla mocha, something. Another. Sometimes that vanilla flavor goes on strong, and that's where my red flags are going off with this tea. I just feel like, isn't the lemongrass enough? Why do you have to add vanilla to it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I can guarantee you no other podcast had this much controversy over Bose's time on the show today.

[Ben Mandelker]

No other podcast has been 10 minutes in and is only discussed eggs and vanilla. The apple tax.

[Ronnie Karam]

Guess what we're in a hurry to do? Nothing. Okay, so now we go over to LA Model Management, and Carcel's there with Jade, and they've got their, you know, modeling agent over there who's like, guys, I've got a little surprise for you. It's your. It's your. Your cue card or whatever it's called. Your comp card.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And it's. It's Jade's first comp card thing. And Garcelle's like, wow, you got your card. Your comp card. That's huge. And he just seems so uninterested. He's like, cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, let me tell you what they didn't give me as a model for chunky clothes at Dillard's when I was first, you know, a teenager. A comp card. And give me that. Where's my comp card? What? Fat kids just don't get those. You know, this is one of those times where I just get mad at skinny kids just for being skinny. Like, what do you get to be a model for? Guess what? They looked at me and they said, you know what you'd be good for? To repaint all of the bowling ball racks in the bowling alley. Get to it or you're never getting allowance again. Okay. That's what fat kids get.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. The original Pink Pony girl. Bonnie. Karen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why is that.

[Ben Mandelker]

What the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that what that song's about?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like. Her mom's like, my mom called me up and said, oh, you're a Pink Pony girl. Like. Like, her mom doesn't like, if I remember correctly, which is not. Like, I haven't heard the song in forever, but I so rarely actually listen to lyrics. She's like, living out in West Hollywood, and her mom's like, get back to Tennessee right now. You're a Pink Pony girl. You're. You're not someone who hangs out with the queers of West Hollywood. And then she's like, no, I'm in the Pink Pony club. Now, this could be totally inaccurate, but that was always my interpretation of the lyrics.

[Ronnie Karam]

That whole song has been about eggs being expensive this whole time, so it's. Sorry, I'll let go of eggs. I don't know why I'm so upset. Like, we don't care about eggs, but I am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't let go. So we're at Sutton's house, and she is wearing some red. Some thick, red frame glasses. And so she is. She FaceTimes Reba. And she's like, hi, Mom. How are you? And she's like, I might. Could be. Would be. Kind of could be such an okay. It's like, okay, mom, thank you. I'm excited to see you tomorrow. She goes, yeah, well, of course my hair is freezing up, but these are the sacrifices you make for a needy daughter in California.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry, were you not going for one of the mushrooms in Super Mario? Because you still look like that. So. I mean, I like that haircut. She's just like, I want to thwart Mario. That's my look.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like it. It's like she has aioli over half of her head. She has a giant gray hair ravioli just hanging right here. I wish Toad was like, reba, I hate Toad's personality. Toad is like. He's like, yeah, all the time. And I would love to. I would just love a bunch of Rebas who's like, oh, you want to go into the castle? Do you ever think that maybe she just isn't that into you? Maybe she lacks bows or.

[Ronnie Karam]

Huh, Mario, she was trying to get kidnapped. Do you think it's strange that Peach is kidnapped every single video game? Okay, at some point, you need to realize Peach is trying to get away.

[Ben Mandelker]

You realize it's a fool's errand to ask me to be proud of you when you're just a plumber. Okay. I wanted to go to Wall Street, Mario.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Sutton's super excited, but, you know, her hair's frizzing. And Sutton goes, we have people like that. People like Dorit. Poor people, Mother. Now, listen, your hair is frozen, but at least your bank account's not on the frit. Like, poor eats. By the way, I thought that episode was so funny. And, you know, I know it was really controversial with the whole parit thing. People are like, oh, my God, sounds such a terrorist. Which, you know, I think we would agree with, but still applied. And I thought, well, that's such a stupid comment. And, like, it's not that funny, you know, like, her reads. I thought, we're so stupid, like, you're poor. But, man, it really caught on, like, wildfire. People are just calling Dorit Pour Eat all over the Internet. So, you know what? Mission accomplished, I guess. She did a good job. Her gaze did well.

[Ben Mandelker]

Finally, after, like, six years of calling her Dorito, we now have pour instead. So that's good.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's making a new $5,000, you know, jumpsuit that looks like, you know, you'd wear on safari if you were hurting the animals in Africa. And it's just going to say pori on the front.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why did. Why did it take us so long to come up with Pour Eat? Like, why did it take Sutton Strack to be the one to introduce poor REIT to the masses? I feel like that's something that, like, we, as an Internet community, should have been able to introduce, like, several years ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like it's probably something they stole from a comment thread somewhere. You know, it probably is a Reddit thing or something. Although I don't think I've seen it there before, but I see it now every single day.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor read.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go over to Kathy Hilton, and Kyle is picking her up, and, you know, Kathy's trying to get into the mailbox. She's like, kathy, get into my car. It's the mailbox. Wow. She's like, can you believe this? He. I'm wearing all black in the he. I'm just not in the mood. Like, I'm not in the mood because I'm single now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she would have worn a different color, but unfortunately, that involves opening up a French door into a separate closet. And she hasn't quite mastered how to open a French door just yet. So Kathy is like, how are you doing? She's like, well, I think I'm like. I'm, like, a bit shocked and still, like, processing because, like, honestly, I was in the car driving with Jen, and she felt so bad to tell me, but she had to tell me And Jen. I believe Jen's her assistant. Right. I think we saw her a few weeks ago, sort of crammed up against the side of the car, going to some party. So this is, of course referring to the headlines of Mauricio spotted kissing a new woman in a random airport in Greece, where definitely there is a paparazzo just waiting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you know, the theories are all over on that one. People are saying it's probably just a Bravo fan in the airport that ended up selling it to tmz, which I can kind of buy, because last week I was like, this is Kyle or Mauricio. You know, I was onto that last week, but I can see how it was probably just one of us, you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Know, that's actually true. I mean, it's totally conceivable. I mean, iPhones are actually so powerful now that you could compete with a paparazzo, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Windows, probably one of us.

[Ben Mandelker]

We did it.

[Ronnie Karam]

IPhone specifically. We're like, fuck, Apple. IPhones are the best in the world. So she's very upset and wearing black today because, you know, Mauricio is getting. Getting some. Some ass. And she's like, I'm just pro. I'm shocked. I'm processing. Like, oh, my God. And then we see head Mauricio spotted kissing new woman. And she's like. Honestly, I was like, I don't even know. I mean, she. She said she lost the feelings in her legs when she saw that. Like, Jen did. And, you know, I was like, maybe it's because I've been crushing you up to the side of the car and not really giving you legroom, but still, you don't deserve it. You're an assistant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Um, I don't believe that Jen lost feelings in her legs when she saw that photo. That is some assistant bullshit right there. That's someone angling for a raise. No assistant. I guarantee every assistant that sees something like that is chuckling and sending it to a group chat somewhere with other assistants. Okay, there's no assistant who sees that and is like, oh, my God, I lost the feelings in my legs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Those are the only people Kyle hires. You know? Like, she hangs out with that guy, her best friend, who's so sweet. Like, he seems so sweet. He's on E or something now, and he's always like, kyle. Like, she loves that energy around her. Just like, oh, my God, Kyle, I saw something about Maurizio, and I lost my legs. Literally, I'm in a wheelchair. I'm in a wheelchair, Jen.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Like, we were walking through whole Foods. And she was just sliding across the floor because she said she still couldn't even use her legs yet. She was so in shock from that photo.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was so hard for Jen to check me out at Whole Foods. I mean, she was just watching her drag herself to the checkout lane. I had to lift her actually to scam things.

[Ben Mandelker]

And when they said, why are you lifting a grown woman? I said, because she's in shock. She saw a photo of Mauricio in the Mykonos airport kissing someone. And then down went the cash register. She just was like right there on the floor. Everyone losing feelings in their legs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, is that in tabloid? No, no. I mean, it's just only on E. But still, huge news. Huge. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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[Ronnie Karam]

You know, why is Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. Why are they still on the COVID of every tabloid? It's so weird. I noticed that at the grocery store. Can you tell? I had a very eventful time at the grocery store. Why are they still. Why is it the same people from like 40 years ago on the COVID of every tabloid? It's bizarre, true.

[Ben Mandelker]

But like, who else are they gonna put on there, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Any others? I mean, if you're gonna reach into the past, at least bring me people. I want to know about what happened to teeny others. Who's she?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who's. Who's Any others? Okay, we need to. Is she Brad Pitt? I don't think so. Did she lose her feeling in her legs when she saw Mauricio kissing that girl? I'd like to know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. So, yeah, she has no feelings in her legs now. So Kathy's like, well, how are you doing? And she goes, yeah. Oh. So Kathy's like, so she lost her legs when she saw what? She goes, the picture of Maurizio. Who? Maurizio, my ex husband and that girl kissing. Oh, yeah, I saw that. She's like, well, isn't that why you're asking how I'm doing? She has. Well, kind of, yeah. But I wanted you to bring it up. I don't know. I. I knew eventually we could. We would see something like that. I just didn't want to be the one to say it. So we're allowed to talk about this on camera. Are you going to refuse to speak to me for three more years?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're all like, we've always thought Mauricio was a man whore, and we were just waiting for him to start man, whoring it up now that you guys are separated. So Kyle's like, I saw it like, everyone else saw it on tmz. It's just, like, very strange to see. And I was expected to see him in person, out or, like, at a restaurant. Or maybe he'd be like, in a country music video with a hot girl. I don't know. But, like, not like this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, well, I don't want him to feel guilty because, like, I mean, he's allowed to do what he wants, you know? But, like, it's also like, why are you being so irresponsible, responsible Kyle, you have been following that lady around and calling the paparazzi to take your picture for literally years now. Just stop. I can't. With Kyle and her. Like, how could he. How could he purposely be in paparazzi pictures with the person he's having an affair with? Come to Morgan Wade, March 17th at the Palladium.

[Ben Mandelker]

But also didn't. Again, didn't Kyle kind of, like, didn't she. Wasn't she the one who kind of, like, got this separation on the. You know, like, on its. On its rails? Like, wasn't this sort of, like, at her wishes? I don't we ever got that articulated that it was like, her choice. They made, like, a mutual thing. But it seemed like all of last season was about how she wasn't feeling it anymore, and she had been pulling away from Mauricio.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I don't know, because it wasn't around. Like, he was working too hard when she needed him the most.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I get the whole being hurt thing. It's just the. The. The paparazzo thing is where I'm calling bullshit with Kyle, because she's the worst at calling paparazzi on herself. It's like, look, Kyle. Kyle Richards is passing Old Navy with lesbian lover Morgan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, so am I gonna feel differently now? Is he not gonna, like, want to be as nice to me now? Is he, like, not gonna be allowed to, like, if he has a new person? Like, is he not gonna be allowed to be nice to me with a new person, like, in his life? Like, these are the thoughts that are going through my head that I'm just gonna, like, maybe also implanted my daughter's mind that there's, like, a new evil person somehow in our family. I don't know. Like, is this what's gonna happen to me? Now we're having the best divorce ever. Like, that was really holding on to that. Like, now I might lose that. That.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Which I think is a valid concern because she can still have. She. They can still play family, you know, when he's single, they can still, like, play family, but then if there's another lady there, it's going to be, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't play family anymore. But also, she has been really, like. She has. She has been really taking a victory lap with her friends, you know, saying, like, well, we just kind of have, like, the best divorce. Like, we don't fight. Like, everything is fine. Like, we're kind of great. So this may threaten this whole identity that she's built up of herself as being, like, a model for consciously uncoupling.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she's like, well, yesterday I wanted to write him and say, like, who is that? I thought, it's none of my business, you know, and it's not. And Kathy's like, no, no. I mean, right now it's none of your business, Kathy. I'm sorry, was I not allowed to say? Are you going to stop speaking to me For Kathy? Just always having to check in. So then we go to Erica's house, and Erica is doing that thing where there's no HGTV to show off your house. So she's just doing it herself. She's just, like, crying in every room, like, oh, my God, look how glamorous it all came together. I'd like to thank me for being so true to myself, like, baby. And Martin Lawrence Blard is there. Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello. Look at all this glamour this morning. And we see before and after. It's like, it's one cluttered room becomes a different type of cluttered room. But it does look really good. It's. It's a little busy for my taste, but it does look like it has an artistic point of view. So it looks, you know, he's. He's. He's a pro. He knows what he's doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think it looks great. I love the wallpaper. You know, I'm a wallpaper person.

[Ben Mandelker]

The wallpaper was great.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's maybe a little overdone on the wallpaper, but I liked it. I thought it was really nice. The wallpaper in the kitchen, specifically the kitchen. I think the kitchen looks great. He did, like, palm tree wallpaper and then, like, a palm. A gold light fixture in there. I thought that looked pretty good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like that. I actually thought the bedroom was his best room. That one just looked fantastic. It was like the living room, to me, was really good. It's just a minor quibble. There was, like, a table that drove me nuts in there that had, like, little knobby legs, and I just hated it. But other than that, you know, look great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, he also does things where he puts those antique chairs everywhere, where he's like, ooh, it's like your Marie Antoinette. This was actually from Marie Antoinette. That's douche room or whatever. And he puts that in there. I'm like, eric ain't sitting in that. Give me a chair I could use. I don't want some dusty asshole chair.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, look at all this. It's all cleaned up and gorgeous. It was gorgeous. Not to tell you something, last night, I sat on this couch and I just took it all in. Some dick that is. I took in a lot of dick on the new sofa. Broke it right in.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I really like that. Her best viewpoint is the one facing the new wall of mirrors. She's like, I just sat here, right here in the sky, and I just took in the. And it's of you. You're standing. There's like 10 versions of you straight ahead. You know, he's like, when you feel the new energy. And so we've seen the before and after, and I think he did a really good job. He took a lot of her. Well, he took some of the furniture, and he still used it, you know, because this was, like, a cheap job for him. It's not a cheap job to us. I mean, 35 grand is not cheap. But for him, that's pretty cheap. And basically, a lot of that money was spent on taping off the walls to make straight line painting everywhere. He really loves that. Like, look at the hall. Bottom of the hallway is black, and then there's a black stripe, and then the rest is white. Look at the bungalow stripes. I'm like, does every room in here have to wear horizontal stripes?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I do this for Sheriff Osborne.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, like, do I look fat in here?

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way? Erica is also taking a victory lap because her song was used in Anora, which when I saw Nora, amazingly, I did not pick out the Erika Jayne song. But it was in there. So that's like. That's a thing. So she says, I feel like a new woman. I feel like a Nora. This is such a great new beginning. And it just feels like me. And I don't look at the furniture and have past memories. I look at it, and it's mine. Mine is a little bit of razzle dazzle reference to Chicago which I'm currently starring in, adds a little bit of glamour. The glamour is coming back to Erika Jean. I antique chip, little antique table next to me. And the glamour is back.

[Ronnie Karam]

This house is so me. I tried to get earrings out of the jewelry box and it wouldn't give them to me. Little.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now I no longer have to live like a. Like a pauper in my small, tiny 2 million dollar house. Now I can live the life of a wealthy person. So Martin's like, well, you've. You have lifted energy. You feel lighter to me. She's. Yes, I am. I'm smiling. Wait, hold on one second. Let me try to do something that I've heard about. It's called empathy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Nope, still doesn't work. Well, you're not a miracle worker, Martin. What can I tell you? He's like, well, here's what you are. You're a phoenix in a world of your phoenix in a den of gorgeousness.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then on cue, Erica's mom shows up like, hello, Phoenix Killer here. Hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. It's the ashes from which the phoenix sprang. Oh, my God, you're here. She's like, I sure am. Wow, this is magnificent.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, you can't have a phoenix without someone to set it on fire first. Hi. Oh, look at this wallpaper. You know, Joanne's going out of business. If you want me to get some things for this place, I'll go real quick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Still, don't fall for it, Renee. Mommy. Martin, this is my mother, Renee. And she's an emotional terrorist and made me sad when I was younger, when she sat in the back of my dad's recital and gave me dirty looks. It was my job, honey. He's like, don't come near me, please. This is how I kiss. Now just stand right there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Renee. Hey, sweetie. Erica, I want to just tell you something about your new boyfriend. And I think he might be a homosexual.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just my interior decorated mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. I just get a little concerned there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we're putting Legos in our face now. Nice house. And she's like, let me give you the tool. First of all. Turn around this way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look.

[Ronnie Karam]

The best wall in the house. It's me. Well, it's also you now, which really diminished this wall. Mom, move over to the kitchen. The wall is good again.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, wow, this is gorgeous for a tacky person's home. She's like, thank you, Mother. Now, do you want to see the living room? Okay. Like, well, honey, I haven't actually had to really move. I'm sort of feel like no matter if I take, like a little inch this way, I'm in one room. An inch that way, I'm in another. It's a pretty small place.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think I left Tom, but still managed to design a home that looks like where Tom is now residing. Are there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bed pans around here that you want to decorate the living room table with.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a whole new vibe. She goes like, well, thank goodness you needed a whole new vibe. This is more you. Whatever you is to you these days. Days. So thank you, mother. Now, would you like to see the bedroom? Oh, that's her hot spot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I bet. I bet it is. So they go to look at this weird black and white hallway. The black and white hallway is the only thing I don't like. I don't like it. It's not working.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we see the before and it was plain white, and now it's got the palm tree everywhere. I'd also like to see maybe one solid wall. I don't though the whole. It looks too fun housey with the wallpaper all around because this is some loud wallpaper, but it's a lot of wallpaper. Also a new bed. Her bed is too, like earth Tony for this room.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Renee's like, well, I'm about to get like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like an actual HGTV show.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's too earth Tony.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's called. This is something I did for $5. Please shut the up. No, nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rene's like, oh, I like this. It's like a light shade of copper. No, that's rose gold, Mom. You're surrounded by Hollywood palm, also known as of copper and palm fronds. But it's like interior decorators, they've got to say rose golden Hollywood palm special palm from Hollywood.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, I'm not familiar with palm. For all I'm. For all I know, this is day palm. I mean, this is Erica's bedroom. We know what that's led to. So. Well, this is really a room for you to star in, Erica. What every mother wants to hear. Martin, thank you. This has been fun. Now I'm a big stickler. I don't like to see seams in wallpaper paper like this. I like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my goodness. My mother has landed. I'm just so thrilled that I cannot thank you enough, Martin. Now get off our televisions.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Kyle and Kathy are arriving at the Bedford breath center, and it's time to get some. Some mammys done.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, some mammograms. And gossip. So they, they fill out the questionnaire talking about, you know, because their, their mom died of breast cancer. And so Kyle, Kyle talk that, that her mom didn't get a mammogram for five years. And then by the time she found like a lump in her breast, it was stage four, etc. So it's a good reminder. Everyone get their mammograms. And then they do it, etc. And afterwards they wind up in a, in a room and wait. Then Kathy, Kathy is getting her mammogram. And she's like, oh, is that bed bath and beauty that you have on? On? Did she. I didn't catch that. Who did she say that to?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think the technician. And she's like, really? It smells like one of those 20% coupons that I get in the mail covered with rain. Wow, you smell. And Carl's like, this is not fun. This is very anxiety provoking. And so we see the scans and Kathy's like, okay, here's the test. I want to know who has bigger boobs, Kyle or me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go to this like, holding area.

[Ronnie Karam]

You put your boob into the ficus. It's still squeezing, so it's doing something.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she got a ficus, a gram. So they go to this like, holding room and they're just like looking. Kyle's looking at her phone and Kathy's like, so it seems now that after the article, but with Maurice with that woman, like, not everybody's used to having to see that. And Kyle's like, yeah, I know. Imagine how he's feeling now, knowing I saw it and all the daughters saw it. Like, I know him very well. He's like, freaking out. He's a cancer, right? I'm like, maybe not at the mammogram center, but he's a cancer Time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Although I guess that's a good place to hate cancer, you know, when you're in the mammogram place. So she's like, yeah, he's a cancer. So he's very sensitive and scared. And you're so strong, Kyle. I mean, look at you freaking out right now on your phone phone. Just scrolling for any comment about Mauricio. You're just so strong, you know? I mean, you're the stronger one. A hundred percent. Oh, no, I sound like him. A thousand percent. A thousand percent. I'm taking your husband's business. A thousand percent. I support my wife. Making a life about your show even though you're getting no money or permission to write anything. A thousand percent. Kathy, Kathy, Come back down, Kathy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we see a montage of Mauricio over the years. 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%. And Summer Page, the Sorbo is furious because she's like, it's a thousand percent stealing my thing. So, yeah, 100. Over and over again. And Kyle's like, well, you know, this year has been very challenging. Anyway, I think that, like, he would. I would think that he would, like, text and say something. I don't know why I would think that, but I think he would. And catch. He's like, what? He's a single grown man. He doesn't have to.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she goes, well, when people are quiet, it tells you a lot. Kyle, watch me. I'm going to be quiet. I can't do it. Just continue. Just continue.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, what does it tell us? Well, if you think about it, what? He's banging someone else. Kyle, come on. I don't have to connect the dots.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kyle's like, you know what I need to do? I'm going to do it right now. Because he's getting more attention than me. He's getting more attention than me. So I'm going to call on Instagram and I'm gonna remove wife from my Instagram bio. Because, like, why would I have wife on there with him running around with some young girl?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. Okay, you had wife on there when.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were running around with some girl. Why switch it now?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, also, now that I've erased wife for my Instagram bio, it means I've freed up four more characters for my bio. What to use them for? Okay, how many characters are in co star of Jamie Lee Curtis in the feature film Halloween? It's more than four.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? I'm just gonna put in shrimp because Morgan really likes shrimp.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like shrimp guy. You got some shrimp.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cow ride shrimp, grill shrimp, spicy shrimp, popcorn shrimp, butterfly shrimp. So she's basically. That's her big move. She's going to take wife off bio. Dun, dun, dun. And you know, she's saying it's for her own pride, but I think it's because she wants more stories about her because she's jealous that Mauricio is getting the stories. So she's like, yeah, I mean, he took off a husband and father of his bio. He just put CEO of the agency. So I'm not gonna have that on there. It just feels so stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, you also know that this is for headlines because the real retaliation move is you keep wife up and you get to say, oh, okay. Well, I guess he's just kissing girls and Mika now. So I'm just the wife in Beverly Hills. Yeah. So, like, she's really sacrificing that card by doing this. Just want to say.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And we see Mo's bio, which is interesting. Entrepreneur, CEO and founder of the agency, executive producer of Buying Beverly Hills Netflix, and co founder, American Real Estate Association.

[Ben Mandelker]

Inventor real estate. By the way. You know what I hate? I hate that he. We never really thought about. I never really thought about the proper spelling of his abbreviated name Mo, but in my mind, that's mo. And he does M A U. And I'm sorry, I don't think that's right because that's ma.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, like M a U you would say, oh, but Mo's mighty.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would say mo.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why would you do that? What would you do?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, look, because I think that MAU is ma, and I understand that, like, in his name, it's spelled mauricio. And, like, when in the context of a ricio, at the end of it, it becomes mo, but without aicio, it's ma. And I think it should change into Mo. Sorry. I'm gonna say I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a very important thing for me. It should be Mo. Okay, what's his mo? It's not M a U, it's M O. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kathy's like, well, I don't think that this lady knows any better. And she's like, well, clearly he doesn't know that his photo is being taken. But, like, I mean, it looked like somebody was taking that photo intentionally. Intentionally, Kathy. And she goes, well, not to be rude, but, I mean, it's not like you're with Brad Pitt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Why does. Why Kyle keeps on saying, well, he definitely didn't know the photos being taken. He. She keeps on saying that over and over and over again, which is such a strange, strange defense. Like, it's like, it's not strange to have that defense, but, like, that she keeps coming back to it. It's very curious to me. So Kathy's like, well, secret.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, you think it's weird that she's saying, oh, it's not like he did it on purpose because he didn't know that picture was being taken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's how I'm taking it. Like, it's not like he was trying to hurt me because he didn't see somebody taking his picture. It was like a hidden camera or something. So it's not like he was trying to Hurt me or anything. Anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

I almost feel like it's a.

[Ronnie Karam]

This girl that's doing it. It's the woman who's purposely making the picture known so she can get more publicity. You know, it's like, oh, same old, same old with Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

There could be that and. Or maybe it's like an overcompensations that way. Like, she probably thinks that he's aware. She. Everyone thinks that this photo was staged, but she's trying to take the high road by, like, no, he had no idea. I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the high road on this one. But it's like, it's ringing inauthentic to me, and I don't know what the motive is, but it's ringing inauthentic, authentic. So Kathy's like, well, we've all heard all about all the rumors about him, and it's embarrassing, it's humiliating, but, you know, we've really never seen a picture. Nobody's ever come out like, he's not in a position financially to pay anyone off, which.

[Ronnie Karam]

What did that mean?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I just love. I mean. Well, is the implication that he's in some sort of arrears and some debt, or is it just that Kathy Hilton's so wealthy that Mauricio's considerable wealth to her just seems like a very poor person? Person. Like, oh, well, he only has about $300 million in his account, so he barely has a dime to his name.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, how much does it cost to pay people off? $90 trillion? I mean, come on, he doesn't really have that. Yeah, because I think he's pretty rich. I mean, the agency's a pretty huge deal. I mean, it's all across America all of a sudden. I mean, I'm sure he's pretty rich, but I don't know. What does Kathy know? Tell me what he knows.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kathy's like, let's find out what she does. Like, I don't even care. But if you want to look it up, fine. Here's her LinkedIn and here's her Instagram. And also, I found her DMV records. I don't even care.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got a piece of DNA off the brush that she used there, so maybe you could run that through someone. Not that I really care. Okay, her name is estella and she's 4% Chinese. Oh, she beat me. She beat me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I thought it was that lady, you know, she reminds me of the lady with the dancing. Okay, Kathy. Okay, I don't want to keep talking about her, so Much. Okay. I also found. Here's her criminal record. So you can look at that and talk about that on camera. I don't want to talk about her anymore, Carl.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is going to cost 19.99 to run the DNA.

[Ben Mandelker]

You.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're really low on cash, though, right? Well, the kind of money to pay.

[Ben Mandelker]

The DNA people off, I don't want to talk about. Here. Here's some security cam footage of her at a Carvel. I do not want to talk about her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why do her fingerprints look like rhinoceroses? Am I right? Look at these things.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can you believe she wrote about Snow White and her senior thesis? Oh, my God. I just don't even want. I don't even know who this person is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Thank God we're here. I got my hands on our last pap smear, but not that I care. Not that I really care.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cool. Oh, my God. I thought to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Where'd that come from?

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at this discarded box of cheeses that was in her trash. I mean, how disgusting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I'm sorry, Kyle. Sorry to interrupt your scene. I actually left those on accident. All right, back to the car. Have a good one, Kyle. Meet me soon, darling.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, these cheese. This cheese It. Box was for me because I taped a meme to. Was kind of our thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, oh, my God, is this her? She's just a little girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Girl?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, Kathy. That's a little girl sitting in the back seat going, oh, okay. It's a meme. Kathy. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just realized what you were doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

The girl in the backseat giving that dirty look like, what the hell? So she's like, well, it's Estella. It's Estella. She's like, I don't care what her name is. It's like, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. But it does remind me of when he put that picture of the Dancing with the Stars lady. Kathy, stop it. Okay, Well, I just. You know what? It could be somebody else next. Next week, so why even worry about this girl? It's like, yeah. I mean, like, she goes, yeah, like, who cares? And Kathy's like, I mean, it could be. She could be a nice person, you know, It's. She could be nice. Who knows? You know? But you have to digest it, Kyle. You have to digest it, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, we don't say the D word on this show. So Kathy's like, well, he clearly did not orchestrate it. But, you know, like, there are other ways of finding out who did? Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. Honk, honk. Armpit, armpit, fart. Armpit fart.

[Ronnie Karam]

One ringy dingy, two ringy dingy. Once again, Kathy, I do not care. Are you calling TMC or are you just gonna keep saying one rinky dingy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Two ringy dinky, Kathy? What's great about this is that Kathy has a whole arsenal of tricks to shut down stories, AKA we just pay someone off. And to get to the bottom of things, which, of course, she does, because you're not the mother of. Of Paris Hilton and Nikki Hilton without this. Without these. These tools. But it's just so funny how. How ready she is to. To employ them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I wish she had. I want to know who did it. This is the biggest mystery of the year on this show, at least. So then the doctor comes in, and I just think it's so funny because her name is Alyssa Wobi. And I just think it's so funny that Kyle has a doctor named Wannabe. It's, like, so perfect for Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle, hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm Dr. Alyssa Wannabe, Dr. Of thirst. Kyle, do you want to get these results, or should we wait for your Amazon live?

[Ben Mandelker]

So this lady, she just comes in, and she's like, hi, I'm the radiologist. Everything looks fine. I. I'm just gonna smile because I don't know what to do with myself. I'm on TV talking to Kathy Elton right now. Oh, my God, what a fan. So Kathy's like, do we get. Do we get stickers on lollipops? And she's like, well, I'll look to see if we have lollipops. No. Well, I got a guy I can call. Someone up. One ringy, two ringy. Get a little sticker. Okay, Kathy, relax.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now let's go to Sutton, the store in West Hollywood, which nobody knew. It was the last days of this store. So she's going through her inventory. Lots of y, you know, weird khaki uniforms from the 50s for, like, I don't know, storage workers. And she's like, we got some situations here. This is an extra large. It doesn't need to be in this pile. I want the mediums here, and I want the extra larges over there. Offy.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Garcelle shows up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hello.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, oh, come on. Sit down. Okay, let's get away from the T shirts, because I'll go insane. What can I get you? Well, whatever you're gonna have. Well, it's after 5, so I'm going insane with this fre fashion Show. So let's get some hard liquor up in here, because the last thing I need is more accusations of being an alcoholic. Okay, so what do you want?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they start drinking, and she talks about how her mom's supposed to come, but her flight at 8 in the morning was cancelled, so big deal. I'm not kidding. Not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not. I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, did Reba show. Did Reba show them her comp card? You don't have one of those?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I did show them her picture in case she got lost, and they said she just took out Mario, so we're trying to catch her.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was rough.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was a rough one. And so she says that there's a flight outage, and it was when that big. There was that big outage across the country and everything was grounded. And so she's like, oh, typical Sutton.

[Ben Mandelker]

Stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Even the National Grid is coming after my pride and happiness.

[Ben Mandelker]

Turns out Kathy Hilton's not the only one who can put a phone call in. Reba's like, hello, Air Traffic Control? What? What does a sweet old lady from Augusta, Georgia, have to do to grand all planes in America so I don't have to go to Los Angeles? Thank you very much.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know you see on the news, it turns out the outage was caused by an old woman uploading a virus. She gotten an email from a Nigerian prince claiming that he had an inheritance for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's, like, doing war games, like, with Matthew. Matthew Broderick or something. Just like, all right, I'm uploading it to the system, and it's like the net. It's like those progress bars. That's like, okay, 30 more seconds. All planes are now officially grounded, and I'm staying in Augusta.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's funny. So, well, she's going to come tomorrow. I just got a text, and her flight is going to become tomorrow, so we hope. Fingers crossed. And so she's like, yeah, I've never done a fashion show, but I've been to a lot of fashion shows, and I know what I like, okay? I just want it to be fun and gorgeous. I want someone just dressed like they're. They're hired to pick up golf balls off the ground. That's what I want. It's my dream.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, and by the way, Garcelle, your son is going to be walking. And then we see Jade. Flashback to Jade posing and sounds like this is a big deal for him to walk. I mean, a fashion. Fashion show for a boutique that's about to close down. And gross. I was like, yes, this is your night. Take it in. Well, there's not going to be any in my night. I want all of our friends to feel welcome. So, you know what? Invite to re or poor re is the clothes. She's gonna get to high fashion in a long time. Okay? So, I don't know, am I gonna invite her? Am I not gonna invite her? Garcelle goes, that is the question.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we see a montage of all this fighting poor Reet, and all of this good stuff. And then Garcelle's like, I mean, it's just never done. Dorit and Sutton. It bleeds into something else, and then it blows up, and there's never gonna be a resolution between those two. I mean, I haven't even had a chance to talk about this. I've built a beach house, and I've never been prouder.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like people forget that I have a beach house in Oxnard. So Garcelle's like, well, what about a group text? She's, oh, should I do a group text? Yes. That's why I said, what about a group text?

[Ronnie Karam]

Do people on Cricket get the same text that the people on Verizon get?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's up to her if she wants to come or not. Okay, can we get. By the way. Okay, can we just talk about Kyle now? Can we gossip about Kyle now? So Garcelle pulls out a tabloid video of Mauricio and the girlfriend on the phone, you know? And Garcelle's like, well, look at this, look at this. Look at this hug. What is she wearing? It's not Kyle, but Alien 2.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, the girl is. What's she wearing? Like a thong bikini with a cover up over it. Right? I mean, I'm guessing they're in some luxurious resort in Greece. And she's like, okay, I think they're at the airport. Still? Why not? I don't think it's that crazy to wear this. Can we just leave the woman alone? The woman didn't do anything. I don't know what everybody's mad at her for. You know, I like Sutton.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes, oh, Mauricio, get your dentures out. Because you know what? She's your daughter's age, and I think that Kyle needs to say enough. It's like, well, it's still her ex husband. Well, he's not her ex husband. It's her husband that she's holding on to for a pipe. Dorian and Cinderella. Well, guess what? You didn't lose one shoe. You done lost two Shoes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Girl, you about to lose the house. That's what you're gonna lose. Jesus Christ, these ladies are vicious.

[Ben Mandelker]

So.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I don't even like Kyle. And I was like, damn. And Sutton's like, I think Kyle's holding that for this moment of Mauricio, you know, coming back and being like, oh, it's a terrible mistake. I'm, I'm moving back in. But, you know, I hope that Kyle sees through what he's doing. I hope she sees right through it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton is never more triggered when than when she is discussing divorce or when she's around people who are divorced. So triggered. Shady Sutton is just such a great form of her. And just see, telling Kyle that she lost both of her slippers is so cruel. I love, love it so. Because I can also see Kyle being that Cinderella, you know, be like, okay, well, who has the other slipper? I actually left my other slipper at the, at the steps of the palace by accident. So I can't verify that they belong to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now they're basically just kind of making for the guile, you know, and she needs to wake up. Does she not realize Mauricio has moved on? What does it take now? We've both been been through it and there's ways to handle it like adults, and that's called attorneys. And when anybody wants to get a divorce, that's when we're going to have a real good girls night.

[Ben Mandelker]

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