#2760 RHOBH S1415 Part One: Love Papped

Summary

Detailed Summary of "Watch What Crappens" Episode #2760 RHOBH S1415 Part One: Love Papped

Podcast Information:

• Title: Watch What Crappens
• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Episode: #2760 RHOBH S1415 Part One: Love Papped
• Release Date: March 12, 2025
• Description: A daily podcast that revels in all things Bravo (and beyond!). Hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam praise, ridicule, and eviscerate shows like Real Housewives, Below Deck, and more, bringing humor and honest commentary to Bravo fans everywhere.

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Introduction

In Episode #2760 titled "RHOBH S1415 Part One: Love Papped," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into Season 14, Episode 15 of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). This episode, aptly named "Trouble in Paradise," showcases the tumultuous dynamics among the housewives as they navigate personal conflicts and extravagant lifestyles. Ben and Ronnie provide a comprehensive recap, interspersed with their signature humor and sharp observations.

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Recap of RHOBH Season 14, Episode 15: “Trouble in Paradise”

Home Visits and Design Drama

Ben kicks off the discussion by highlighting the episode's focus on home visits, a staple in RHOBH where housewives tour each other's residences, often leading to tension and confrontations.

Ben (09:04): “It's a big home visit episode, which I liked. Everyone goes to each other's house and stuff. So we're at Erica's house, and Dorit comes and she's like, did you knock down walls? You've got trees in your home. So many boulders.”

Ronnie emphasizes Erica's over-the-top design choices, suggesting that Erica may have "shot her design load" early in the season.

Ronnie (09:33): “Ew, that's so nice. You know, Erica, really, I feel like she shot her design load because we haven't even gone on the vacation yet…”

The hosts theorize that the season might conclude during the vacation segment, given Erica's already completed storyline.

Character Dynamics and Conflicts

The discussion shifts to the intricate relationships and conflicts among the housewives, particularly focusing on Erica, Dorit, Sutton, Garcelle, and Kyle.

Ronnie reflects on Dorit's emotional state after a live episode:

Ronnie (11:05): “Please hold me accountable. So, yeah, so Dorit comes over, makes a lot of her noises… Dorit was on watch what crappens live last night with Gabby and Dylan…”

Ben notes the endearing sounds made by Bose and Dorit, adding humor to their observations.

Erica’s Evolution and Defenders

A significant portion of the recap centers on Erica’s strained relationships and her evolution throughout the season. Ben and Ronnie discuss Erica's interactions with Sutton and Garcelle, highlighting her growth and increased emotional accessibility.

Ronnie (27:16): “I do think she's a better housewife now. I mean, it's… Actually, I was thinking about this this morning for no good reason…”

Ben (27:16): “People are always saying, you know, Real Housewives ruins these women's lives. I don't know about anybody, but I think sometimes housewives help some because it breaks them down and then they come out a better person…”

Key Confrontations and Resolutions

The hosts dissect the confrontations and attempted reconciliations in the episode, particularly focusing on Erica’s conflict with Sutton and Garcelle.

Ronnie points out Garcelle’s direct approach in addressing Erica’s behavior:

Ronnie (29:29): “So Garcelle was like, you gotta pay attention to your drinking and your medication because you just cursed out my son. And that wasn't cool.”

Ben highlights the ongoing issues despite mediation efforts:

Ben (32:30): “I do agree that they both kiss up to their friend's ass. Like, they both kiss up to their friends and defend them too much.”

Emotional Moments and Personal Stories

Ronnie shares personal reflections that resonate with the show's themes, allowing listeners to connect on a deeper level:

Ronnie (43:14): “I did actually feel bad for her, even. I had gone through the exact same journey where she's like, oh, you know, that sucks…”

Ben notes the genuine emotion behind Erica’s storyline:

Ben (42:38): “I'm really sorry about your husband leaving you...”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben (09:04): "It's a big home visit episode, which I liked. Everyone goes to each other's house and stuff."
• Ronnie (09:33): "Ew, that's so nice. You know, Erica, really, I feel like she shot her design load because we haven't even gone on the vacation yet…"
• Ben (27:16): "People are always saying, you know, Real Housewives ruins these women's lives. I don't know about anybody, but I think sometimes housewives help some because it breaks them down and then they come out a better person…"
• Ronnie (28:01): "I do think she's a better housewife now. I mean, it's… Actually, I was thinking about this this morning for no good reason..."
• Ben (32:30): "I do agree that they both kiss up to their friend's ass. Like, they both kiss up to their friends and defend them too much."
• Ronnie (43:14): "I did actually feel bad for her, even. I had gone through the exact same journey where she's like, oh, you know, that sucks…"

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Insights and Host Observations

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie provide insightful commentary on the dynamics within RHOBH, highlighting themes such as loyalty, friendship, and personal growth. They question characters’ motivations, analyze power dynamics, and offer critiques with humor and empathy.

Ben addresses the apparent hypocrisy among housewives in defending friends:

Ben (32:30): "I do agree that they both kiss up to their friend's ass. Like, they both kiss up to their friends and defend them too much."

Ronnie emphasizes the complexity of relationships and the challenges of maintaining them in a competitive environment:

Ronnie (33:10): “Cuz you're just… It's more like, yeah, I see the flaw in my favorite, but the person who is attacking my favorite is annoying me so much that I'm willing to take the stance. So I don't give that person a win.”

Their analysis brings to light the nuanced interplay between personal conflicts and public personas, a staple of Bravo’s Real Housewives franchise.

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Conclusion

In this first part of their recap of RHOBH Season 14, Episode 15, Ben and Ronnie successfully navigate the intricate storyline of "Trouble in Paradise," offering listeners detailed breakdowns, sharp observations, and entertaining banter. Their discussions not only recap the events of the episode but also provide deeper insight into the characters’ development and the show's ongoing narratives. With a blend of humor and critical analysis, "Watch What Crappens" continues to be an engaging podcast for Bravo enthusiasts seeking both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

For Part Two of this episode recap, stay tuned as Ben and Ronnie continue their exploration of RHOBH Season 14, Episode 15.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Olde Bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's the gorgeous and talented Ben Mandelker over there on the other screen. Hello, Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Great. How you doing today?

[Ronnie Karam]

Great. It's like a drizzly rainy day here in la, which is so fun and relaxing. I went and got myself a bagel and a coffee and I'm just having a very chill morning. What's going on with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not drizzly at all. It's beautiful over here in Texas. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can see. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Freedoms. But hey, the sun's out, so I guess that's all that really matters. At the end of the day, everyone welcomes her out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, we are. I'm gonna shoot the sun something. Can't decide what it's gonna be on his passport. I'm gonna shoot it. Everybody, welcome to the show. We are on tour. We're going out again tomorrow. We're so excited. Seriously though.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Because we're gonna have some fun times. We're gonna be in Cincinnati where we will be recapping Summerhausen. Then after Cincinnati, guess where we're gonna go? Minneapolis. And there we're going to recap Southern charm. And in Toronto, we're going to be covering the classic Real Housewives of December. Berkshire's County. I cook, I cleaned. I made it nice. That Season eight Episode nine for any of those of you following along. So we're excited to see you guys over there. Get your tickets atwatch what crapmans.com we're also going to be after that in Atlanta, Washington, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Austin, Dallas and Las Vegas. We're going to add a couple more dates so check back over at watch what crappens.com for tickets and links. Also, if you want videos or traders recaps or now next week we're going to be moving into other recaps of other things. Probably next week we're going to be having airport snaps, which is where we go to airports and judge the Fuck out of people sitting in a corner while we record on our iPhones. So probably the next couple of weeks we'll have some good old fashioned airport snaps over on our Patreon. And that's also where you get the videos, which we're on right now. If you want videos and you don't want to pay for Patreon, you can get them for a week. You can get them a week later for free over at YouTube. Okay. Nailed it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I did a great job.

[Ben Mandelker]

Suck that.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was immersive.

[Ben Mandelker]

I got my legs crossed on this, like, little ottoman thing I got from the homo goods. And I really. I don't know, I'm too old to maybe cross my legs like that. How am I.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just pull a muscle on your ottoman.

[Ben Mandelker]

By Tanya Harding to myself.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, not with the ottoman.

[Ben Mandelker]

Or now there's a new Tonya Harding. That girl who beat somebody over the head with a baton. Did you read that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Did not read that. Who was that? Is she on Bravo?

[Ben Mandelker]

No. She should be. I hope she's on Bravo soon. They were running, she's, I guess, a track person. And she had her baton and then someone was passing her and she bonked her on the head with her baton.

[Ronnie Karam]

Good for her.

[Ben Mandelker]

And now she's crying like, why isn't anybody thinking about how I feel? Could you bonk somebody on the head with a baton? Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not part of the relay race. We look forward to seeing you on Dancing with the Stars.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, bonk Chrishell on the knees or whatever. Get her. Get it. But I feel bad for the girl because she didn't even get her own own, like, Tanya Harding name. I still don't know her name. Everybody just calls her the new Tanya Harding. And I'm like, that's so sad. I mean, she even upped her game. She bonked somebody on the head with a baton. That's better.

[Ronnie Karam]

Damn, that sucks. Like, if you're. Man, you know, even Hawk Tua got her own name. It doesn't even make sense. But, like, this person can't even. What'd you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

That makes.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, it makes sense, but I'm saying, like, as a name, like, her name is Hawk Tua. At least this girl could be known as Baton. Batona Rella.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, give her something. She earned it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on. We could do it. Like, the lift is so low. Like, we were so lazy with naming Hawk Tua that at the very least we can give this aggressive relay racer some sort of fun moniker. That's what I'm saying. Let's yeah, Yeah, I agree.

[Ben Mandelker]

The tonarella. I mean, I don't know. Okay, so here we are with. Speaking of bonking over the people over the heads for no reason. Let's go on to a housewives recap. Today. It's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 14, Episode 15. 14, 15 Trouble in Paradise sequences. By the way, just before we start this, Dorit was on watch what happens live last night with Gabby and Dylan. And I don't care. I still can't hate Dylan. I think he's so cute. Like, I don't care. I don't like. I mean, the traders, but he's so cute and nice. Like, I still like him. And Dorit was so depressed. Durie is just miserable. And I guess I don't blame her. Like, she's poor now, like, for real, and PK won't speak to her and stuff. And she can't, I guess, afford her stylist because she was dressed kind of like a Christmas present. I don't know. It was really sad. She was very sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, you have her. You know, you've got. You've got some people who are able to sniff out some traitors, and you have someone who was married to one for a long time and still didn't even realize. So, yeah, I'd be depressed too. You're like, it could have been me. But we love that Dylan Efron and by the way, his girlfriend is a big Bravo fan. Apparently. I read that and, like, one of the many articles that's going around, and she's a big Bravo fan. So we love that he supports Bravo indirectly, I guess that she told him to ally with Sierra. I think. I think I read that fleeting headline. Of course, I couldn't really be bothered to read much more than that because I'm like, you know, there's nothing else I really need to know. I just need to look at Dylan, see his abs, see his sweet smile, and try to push down and repress the knowledge that he hates showers. And then I'm fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So let's start with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. We. It's a big home visit episode, which I liked. Everyone goes to each other's house and stuff. So we're at Erica's house, and Dorit comes and she's like, did you knock down walls? You've got trees in your home. So many boulders. It's. It's paper to eat.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ew, that's so nice. You know, Erica, really, I feel like she shot her design load because we haven't even gone on the vacation yet. At least by. At this point, at this point in the episode. And she's already wrapped up her entire episode, entire storyline for the season. It's like, did someone not tell her that there's still like. Like four more episodes to go? So unless. Unless the show ends on vacation. In fact, that's probably what it is. This. This is gonna be another season that ends on vacation, which is now becoming a more frequent thing because if it weren't ending on vacation, I feel like we would have had a wrap up of the design thing after vacation. But they wrap. This is honestly the stupidest theory that I could be launching right now. Guys, let's stop the entire podcast to debate where the season's gonna end.

[Ben Mandelker]

What could have happened? Maybe there was a lot of stuff that was cut out of, you know, our favorite guy who was like, Erica.

[Ronnie Karam]

I need to discuss with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Should we do palm trees or bushes? I'm thinking maybe just. I ain't doing no bush. I haven't done bush since the 90s. Palm trees only. And then there's like a big fight and stuff takes place in a fresh and easy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got you some wallpaper that's completely made of Nepalese yak penis. Enjoy. Yeah. So my theory is that this season will end on vacation based on the fact that they wrapped up Erica's interior design journey pre vacation. That is my theory. And if I'm wrong, then I will. I will make amends to the audience.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well everybody write that down in a notebook somewhere. Please do back and check.

[Ronnie Karam]

Please, please hold me accountable. So, yeah, so Dorit comes over, makes a lot of her noises. Someone sent me an interview. It was like one of the after shows. She and Bose. Bose who also. Bose makes her adorable little noises too. She made an amazing one this episode that I rebound three times because it sounded like she was literally a video game character getting. Getting a. A one up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she does need little sound effects of. From the Bose arsenal. I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think I'm going have to start. I'm gonna have to start recording those because the one from this week was sensational.

[Ben Mandelker]

She did a gooby goo one when she was talking to Kyle. She went.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's what. That's. That was the one.

[Ben Mandelker]

She goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cuz she like leaned forward. So. No, but Dorit and Bose were doing an after show and Bose was talking and Dorit was just like chiming in with her weird like dolphin noises because Bose was like. And then I went with Keely and we Went and we got McDonald's one time, and we got a Happy Meal. And they said you looked like a happy couple. And she's in the background. You just hear 3 going.

[Ben Mandelker]

PK won't even call me back. Just the sound effects. Ladies together in an interview.

[Ronnie Karam]

She. Yeah, it's like, you know, when a, you know, in a police car has to get through traffic. So it does like a little baby thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Any who.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Erica lights a candle the second she comes over to the house. I think Erica's house smells like farts. There. I said it because I don't trust anybody who lights a candle the second I come over. You know, open a window, fart outside, you know, like we do in my home.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unless it's Hanukkah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unless you're what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Unless it's Hanukkah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Naturally, you can't open windows at Hanukkah. Is that a thing?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm saying Hanukkah is a big candle lighting holiday for my people. Oh, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys have a lot of laws. I know. On this day.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. Well, actually, no. We as a Jewish people on Passover, we actually open full fledged doors for Elijah to come in. So, like. Like, we are definitely knock.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's he supposed to knock on? The open door. Elijah's whole thing is knocking. Right, Elijah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Elijah has a real sense of propriety at the Seder and just comes in. The other thing. Growing up, I had a cat named Elijah, and so. And Elijah was an outdoor cat. And for some reason, Elijah was a. Elijah was a she, but her name was Elijah. And of course, on Passover, the biggest gag we do every year, we open the door for Elijah, and then Elijah the cat would walk in and everyone would go, oh, it's Elijah.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

God, I love a visual gag.

[Ben Mandelker]

I had a roommate in New York who changed her name to Elijah. Like she had another name, but she's like, I'm gonna go by Elijah now. And we were like, okay. And so whenever she would come home and forget her keys, we would make her sit there and knock. We're like, well, you shouldn't have changed her name.

[Ronnie Karam]

But it was a vampire.

[Ben Mandelker]

Names have meanings. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't. Van. Don't vampires have to knock before they come in?

[Ben Mandelker]

You have to be invited in if.

[Ronnie Karam]

You'Re a vampire, which is so funny. Like, you're gonna literally suck someone's blood and kill them. But, like, suddenly you're like, but I need. I need to follow manners.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't have to be invited to murder me. Just to come in. Just to come in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I would like to murder you, but I do have certain lines. Like, murder is okay, but coming in uninvited, not okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I respect the space. I respect your personal space.

[Ronnie Karam]

Before I murder you, I brought a gift, so that way you could invite me in. No. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Erica is like, would you like some water? Oh, Jesus Christ. You started with a fart candle, and now you're leading up to water. Why even come to Erica's house? Like, what's here? Wallpaper.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's all. There's a lot of money. She spent a lot in that wall. A lot of money on that wallpaper. And Martin Lawrence Ballard. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Apparently, it's just watered out. So Doritos walks through squealing and squeaking and pretending she's not in a room as big as her closet. And so she's like. Well, I don't know. The last time I saw Erica this happy, it's like she's radiating happiness. The house is incredible due to transformation. It's literally perfect for her. It looks like she's sleeping outside, which she probably will be one day. So perfect planning.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I got us some coffee cake and some cookies. Oh, you're so sweet. I won't eat any of those. So then Bose shows up, and, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I take back what I said about the water you're giving me. Cooking coffee cake. Okay, I take it back. Fart candle.

[Ronnie Karam]

I really wanted to know where the coffee cake and the cookies were from, because Erica has a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

You think it's Erica?

[Ronnie Karam]

I was about to say Eric has a lot of options in her neighborhood, and I was, like, ready to judge. I was, like, trying to see what the box was. I was like, you know, I want to see what bakery she's pulling from, because I will have a lot to say. Depending on her choices, this could be a redemption moment for her. But it could also be. It could. It could go wrong real quick.

[Ben Mandelker]

You mean which Galetaria? Because, you know, that was food for last from Western. Okay. By the way, I miss you. Food for last turn.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. It's gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. It's been bulldozed, and it's turning into a whole big tall thing. Oh, and the McDonald's is gone, too. That was right there. That used to be where I would reliably get a McFlurry. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because, you know, those are usually broken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're always broken. Now they're dead. So, you know, Bose comes in, and she's like she just kind of looks around and then she doesn't really say much about the house. She's just like, well, this is not necessarily a housewarming gift. This is a St. Lucia gift. TM I've trademarked St. Lucia.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dorit's like, so then we go back flashback and to the fashion show and Bose was like, I have been inspired by Sutton's call for all of us to bond. So I thought, we will all go to St. Lucia. So everyone cheers. And now. So now Dorit is holding up a peach and a peach. No, she's not holding up a peach. She's holding up a one piece bathing suit that is the color of a peach. But knowing her, she's probably holding up a peach. Like, I found a soccer ball. So then, Erica, I could never be a woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

I looked at that thing, it looked like, I mean, it looked like the pasta that Denise Richards tried to make in the Denise Richards episode after this where she wouldn't rest the dough. She's like, just pretend the dose rested. And instead of resting it, she just started putting it through the machine. So it was all these holes. I mean, I could not. Who wear, who looks at that? And it's like, you know what? I can wear that. I just can't do that. I can't do what I wish. I mean, someday, listen, I support it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just don't know who has the vision for that because like, it honestly did look like the discards from the fabric after I cut some some pieces out to sew something. And you have all these weird shapes left over. So they're like, oh, we'll make this into a bathing suit. Sure. So Erica's like, well, that is beautiful. That color is really fucking good. That's a fucking great color. Okay, relax, Erica. It's a peach bikini. So then Bo's like, literally for every single person. So Bo says, obviously this woman do not know how to plan a girls trip without any kind of drama. And luckily for them, I invented girls trips and I marketed them at Netflix. And I believe they deserv a trip that is about fun and the sun and having good time. And to that I say.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, I know how to plan a trip. So anything that goes wrong is these girls fault, not my fault. So Dorit is just staring at her swimsuit bottoms with her mouth open. And I think she doesn't like them because they're. They're very big for some reason, I don't know, she's looking at them like she doesn't really like it. But you know what? Beggars can't be choosers. So she's gonna take it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Bo says it's, it's gonna be a fashion show out there, a real fashion show. And they're all like. She goes, oh, I didn't even mean to say it that way. It just came out. And Dorit's like, oh, that was funny. That was a burn. Sister girlfriend.

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[Bose]

Or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Sutton's house and Sutton is standing in front of her cutting board slicing a cucumber and saying these are great cucumbers. Which is probably something that gets said a lot in Bel Air is that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Moment where you're just trying to convince yourself not to eat a tub of ice cream like cucumbers. God, these are just so crisp.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love my choice. I love my choice. For right now I can eat whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

I choose and I choose this. Being thin tastes better than thin tastes. What is it? Oh God, I can't think. Give me the ice cream.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she says, how many do I have to eat Whalen. Pavlov has nothing on me because Whalen's her dog. So Garcelle shows up and they say hi and everything. And Carcel's like, well, I don't know if you saw the rags. Oh, do you mean the bathing suits that Bose has sent us? No, I meant the gossip rags. They're saying that Kathy is fashion roadkill. And then we see headlines that say, talk about the fashion show where Kathy was on the Runway last week and got crashed into by a model.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, hey, she got Sutton some press. I mean, probably better than Sutton would have done alone for that. That weird fashion show. But, you know, the press does say roadkill on it, so I don't really know who's winning. I don't know that anybody's really winning this one. And so we see the headlines and we see wacky clips of Kathy walking out. She's in a big butterfly outfit in her. They cut to her and she's just laughing. She's like, I only have the best intentions. Hilarious. And she's wearing this butterfly outfit. And then we cut to Sutton sitting in her kitchen, which has a big, colorful metal butterfly in the background. What does it mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Butterfly kisses. So Garcelle is like, well, did you see Dorit? Did you talk to her last night? Well, I said hello. I mean, we said hello. What else do you want from me? Okay, okay, that's it. That's fine. Let's just put the treat and sudden situation on eyes. Oh, like your lunch. Hey, hey, stop making those jokes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is non drunk Sutton. So she's just doesn't understand why anybody would think that she ever had a problem. She's like, can we just not. Let's just not talk about it. Her eyes don't slit into the evil satanic look that they get. So they're gossiping. And Garcel's like, oh, I forgot to tell you, when I had dinner with her, I said to her, what's your beef? And she's like, you think I have beef with Sutton? And I said, well, it's not one sided, is it? And so then we cut to Erica, and Dorit's talking about it too. And she's like, like, well, I had Dino with Garcia, and she said, dorit, stop mentioning the drinking thing. You know, she's sensitive about it. And I said, first of all, I welcomed her. Yeah, but you still made fun of her drinking thing, which she's sensitive about. Answer the question.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you welcomed her after making her sit down there for 40 minutes. So Erica's like, well, I gotta say something. Okay, I gotta stop you right now. I was like, oh, here we all know what's coming next. You said something about the drinking and her having this reaction about her business. Well, I'm sorry. Cause what about what was done to me? I was like, oh, God, Eric, what about me? Argument once again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, Erica, call me when Sutton is in, like, 10 lawsuits about tens of millions of dollars of stolen money and, you know, throwing people in jail, which they didn't even bring up. Your lucky ass is lucky. They didn't bring up that Marco, Marco thing of throwing those guys in jail because you couldn't pay your bill and lied and used one of Tom's best friends to get him thrown in, then get so wasted on pills and booze that they're falling over and falling asleep on boats. Okay, call me when that happens. Erica. What about me? What about me? Erica Jane. Who feels more pain than Erica?

[Ronnie Karam]

It is the old Genshaw defense. What about me? Yeah, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I'll tell you, he feels more pain than Erica Jane. Anyone with ears that are subjected to your songs. Okay, it hurts. That said, I'm really kind of liking Erica this year, for the most part. Richards.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Erica. Like Erica, going through the wringer of this whole Tom Girardi case has actually made her a better housewife. Because I think that she's just given herself over to being like, oh, it. I tried so hard to sort of give. Have this whole image, and I got torn to shreds. Anyway, so, whatever. I'll just say whatever I want to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

People are always saying, you know, Real Housewives ruins these women's lives. I don't know about anybody would go on. I think sometimes, you know, as the butterfly keeps appearing on this show, on this episode, I think a lot of times housewives help some because it breaks them down. It just breaks them down, and then they come out a better person, you know, because Erica was a true. Before all of that happened. And I think she's better, you know, better now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did. I do think she's a better housewife now. I mean, it's. Actually. I was thinking about this this morning for no good reason, but I was like, you know, Erica is just much more knowable now. I think she makes more sense now. I think she was super, super guarded. She's always been a guarded person, but now she's a little bit more like, oh, fuck you all, you know? And so, like, yeah, she. She has this checkered past, whatever, but it has made her, I think, More emotionally accessible. Like we understand what her vibe is now. It's not just like she's quote unquote, ice queen who like you don't see anything in her life. Life. She's just now like a little bit more. I don't know, I just think there's more layers to her now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, her stick. I don't give a. Remember, that was her.

[Ronnie Karam]

She gave the most.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now she doesn't give a. Yeah, of course, she actually gave more of a than anybody. But now she actually doesn't because she's been traumatized. So I would just like to send a thank you note to trauma because, you know, you really work mirror. You're an art, you're an artist. Trauma.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you're welcome. Erica. We. We got you to like as we as in the audience. We got you to where you are right now, so you're welcome. So she says, okay, look, Sutton and Garcelle cut me no breaks. When I was going through the lowest point in my life, they had no problem talking about these lawsuits and medication and drinking and all these alleged things. And we see a shot of Sutton confronting. I'm sorry, Sutton. Garcelle confronting Erica. I'm like, well, the difference is though, they gave. They gave you shit about your drinking because you cursed out Garcelle's 15 year old son.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Garcelle was like, you gotta pay attention to your drinking and your medication because you just cursed out my son. And that wasn't cool. So, yeah, they had something to say about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course they're leaving. Yeah, they're leaving.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's not like they. Not like Erica messed up a Starbucks order. And they're like, well, we need to talk about your medications. This was the repercussion of something that really pissed off Garcelle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's like, those girls cut me no breaks. You want to talk about cutting brakes? Look what I did to Tom. Ask Tom how to cut brakes. Tom just to cut to Tom's car like twirling over and over a cliff.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know Tom's Jaguar going down the side of the cliff. It's so funny that that's part of like the lore. Isn't that such a. It's so funny. What makes it into Bravo lore and the fact that like the story of Tom crashing over the side of a. Of a cliff mountainside in pa. It's just so bizarre.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Erica's like, oh, now all of a sudden wants sympathy because someone said something about her.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now back to presence. So. Oh, yeah. So Erica's like, listen, Gaso consistently defends that behavior. But you know what? You guys have consistently covered up for Kyle for so many years. So, you know, people wind up taking sides sometimes just in reaction to the fact that someone else already has a side. You know, it's like, oh, you're. You guys are a click. So therefore, I have to be in a click with Sutton. And because now I'm in a click with Sutton, I am going to defend her, because it's like the jets and the Sharks, and that's just what you have to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she's like, well, I had a conversation, and Garcelle defended herself. And I said, you look at her behavior with ruse tinted gluzes. And then we go back to set and tell them. And Garcelle's like, I said, you can keep joking about the same thing. And, you know, she gets upset about, but it's not going to work out, you know, and she. And she says, well, she can joke about it. And she says, well, she can joke about being an alcoholic because she's the alcoholic, but you can't joke about it. Wait a minute. I do not joke about me. I'm not an alcoholic. What you saying? Oh, just calm down, all right? I'm trying to have to ask you here.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to have to ask you to finish chewing before you speak, because I have cucumber all over my blouse now. So then I said to her to read, I have a question for you, and I'll tell you right now, the answer ahead of time is no. But anyway, if Sutton gave you a Kelly bag, would everything be over? And actually, she said, yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of course she would. Of course she would say that. So then we cut back to the other house, and Bose is like, well, it's hypocritical when they say that. I defend Reed all the time. I mean, hello, you're over here kikiing with your bestie. And. And yeah, Erica's like, yeah, for years. For years. If that makes it worse, I mean, doesn't that make it better if you're. If you're gonna just blindly defend somebody and it's a friend for years. That makes more sense than blindly defend somebody. Blindly defending somebody you met five minutes ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And again, you know, Erica has been the biggest defender of Kyle and Dorit, and they've also defended her blindly, Blindly. So it's just very. It's just hilarious. I would say it's rich coming from them, but obviously, it's not quite rich. Not Marri.

[Ben Mandelker]

This group But I, you know, I.

[Ronnie Karam]

That.

[Ben Mandelker]

All that said, I do agree that they both kiss up to their friend's ass. Like, they both kiss up to their friends and defend them too much. You know, it's like, nice to see Sutton just have to have to fend for herself and Dorita have to fend for herself.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's true. But, you know, like, when you have your favorite housewife and you just defend them even when they're wrong, and you just know they're wrong, but you're like, but it's my favorite, so I'm just going to defend.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I think, whatever do you mean, Ben?

[Ronnie Karam]

Cuz you're just. It's more like, yeah, I see the flaw in my favorite, but the person who is attacking my favorite is annoying me so much that I'm willing. I'm willing to take the stance. Just that way I don't give that person a win.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, look, I know that. I feel the same way. I am going to put in my will that on my gravestone, I want it to say, Lisa Rinna started Puppy Gate. Lisa Rinna called the press. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

So anyway, Erica saying, yeah, that Garcelle's been doing this for years. And Bo's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When we go to St. Lucia, you know, I'm working on the room assignments. Oh, and you already know, the three of us are together, and they're like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah, we got a villa.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, you know, I think everyone was expecting that, that Boaz was gonna say something like, oh, I'm putting you dorit with Sutton so you can mend it. So she's like, no, we are going to be the cool kids. Kids. So they.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think Eric is just real glad she gets maid service again. She's like, oh, thank God I held the broom again today. It was so difficult. Why does nobody think about me?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Garcelle, meanwhile, is talking. We go back there, and she's like, so durit and I spoke about Kyle. Oh, did you finally. Good gossip. She goes, yeah, and the whole mo of it all mo. Not MAU. I refuse to say MAU. Oh, good. Me, too. I don't like that either. You know, they were acting like besties besties last night, by the way, to Read and Kyle. How just how disgusting. Set up a whole season of them feuding, and then they already buried the hatchet before we even got to our cast trip. It's just not right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it looks like they made up. Sh. Oh, they have more than made up. They were Rolling on the couches together like they used to. I mean, this cousin and Garcel's like, yeah, I think that Kyle and Dorit having a beef. Like, Sutton loves that, because then it makes Sutton able to be closer to Kyle. And really, all Sutton cares about is being close to Kyle. Why? I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

For no good reason. No good reason. She's just a huge Halloween fan. Maybe. Well, Dorit, obviously, it feels like, you know. You know, obviously feels for her like we all do. We all feel this way. And. And, like, well, she. Sorry, Dree. Feels for Kyle like we all do. And it sucks to see her photos with your ex making out with some child. I mean, sorry, not a child. Teenager, anyway. So, yeah, we feel bad for Kyle, and we're also quietly laughing on the inside, let's be honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

But we also talked about seeing Kyle at Morgan's concert. Flashback, a week earlier, we see Kyle standing at Morgan Wade's concert. Was it revenge, or was it just straight up horniness? So we come back, and Garcelle's like, well, I mean, it's just wild. We can talk about Mo and his incident, and yet we see Kyle hanging out with Morgan at a concert with her name tattooed all over her. And we're not supposed to say anything. Nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Wow. Also no. So she says, Sutton is definitely scared of Kyle. Although she says she doesn't bow down. She bows down. And I think it's interesting that we can all talk about Mo and we can't talk about Morgan. We can't say, how's the concert? I didn't know you were going. How come you're not in the audience like everyone else? Why were you touching your vagina while she was singing that song? Well, you know what I think the introduction to the topic is? You know, here's how you do it. Okay? Here's how you do all Augusta, like you say, look. Hey, we saw you had a great weekend in the press at Morgan's concert. Was that the lesbianatronic festival that was happening down there?

[Ben Mandelker]

Was there a scissoring festival that you guys were excited in? I mean, what was happening?

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't know. I didn't know. Little fair was back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. Sounds like. Don't even say that. You know what? Let's just introduce it and see what she'll say. I love that they're so messy. They're like, let's confront Kyle about Morgan again. But they're also, like, allowed to ask. Everybody in the LGBTQ+ gay community knows that you're not Supposed to ask people about going to concerts. You can't do that.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love how they're like, what is the most indirect, subtle way we can confront Kyle?

[Ben Mandelker]

So order some oysters and send her a box of scissors as a gift and see if that'll.

[Ronnie Karam]

Book her a ticket at the Hotel Indigo. And then say, we'll just be there with our girls and see if she connects the dots. So son's like, well, I don't want to make her angry. Which is funny when Sutton says that, because she kind of lives to make people angry. So then we go to Kyle's home, and she's talking to her housekeeper in Spanish, and she's asking things. You know, she's.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's basically doing white lady Spanish. She's like, a so I muchos pero mas a so pero lo laciendo lunas para cinco diaz. And the lady's like, oh, por favor.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's basically bossing her around about kombucha. She's like, do we don't need this many kombuchas Because I'm going out of town. Do you want some extra kombuchas?

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's so hard being in a house where you don't really know how to regulate kombucha anymore. Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

So booze arrives, there's a knock on the door, the doorbell rings, and Kyle goes to the door. And of course, then she, of course, orders her housekeeper to help with the dogs. How about you help with the dogs? How about you get those things trained? I mean, like, it's been years of Kyle. That door opens, and the pandemonium breaks loose in that household with those dogs running crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't understand. Because you don't have a dog. You know, it's very difficult. You don't understand what comes over a dog when they see somebody at the door or hear the doorbell ring. I mean, that to the dog, that is everything. And the dog's just trying to help you. Like, they're coming to get you. It's like her dog standing out there with my cookies. Like, do you know who you're barking at? Stop terrorizing the person who's gonna let me binge for the next weekend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, listen. And if there's anything I'm aware of, it's the fact that dogs go berserk when a front door is open. Like, that's, like, my nightmare. The worst. You ring the doorbell, you already hear the dogs barking, and I'm like, oh, God. But Kyle's dogs are more than that. Every time that Front door opens. It is like they are making their prison escape. They are darting for the road. They are trying to. They're just trying to get to Tarzana. Okay? So it's always. It's like a. It's like a sprint. It's like a. Like a gunshot goes off. And they are. They are the ones holding the batons, bonking each other on the heads because they want to go. I mean, every single time. Jeez.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meanwhile, her cleaning lady is, like, holding seven bottles of kombucha. Like, what does this bitch want from me?

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I can't do everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Throw the kombucha at the dogs. Get the.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she gives her the gift. And then they walk into the office and she's like, oh, what a pretty room. And she's like, marta Jesse puedes triertos vasos de agua. And she's like, wow, you speak Spanish. She goes, well, yeah, I grew up speaking Spanish, cuz, like, you know, when you're living in la, that's how you boss people around. So. And then after that, my husband was Mexican, unfortunately, all I could say to his family at first was, please get me some water and move this kombucha over before. Before I sue you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lo siento. That was a big word for me. So Kyle's like, also, side note, I appreciate your text when that photo came out and you sent that tag, like, thank you so much for sending that text. It's like, well, look, I'm the kind of friend. I'm ready for war. Just sort of like your dogs when that door opens up. And it took everything for me not to get into my car and drive over here. And then I thought to myself, do I really want to drive to Encino right now just for Kyle Richards? And I said, no. So that was about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Boza's like, well, she said, I didn't get to know her. So now I'm trying to get to know her. And here's what I know. Streets. Lots and lots of streets. Make it worth it. So Carl's like, well, you know, like, I just. We see a flashback of Carl saying, I feel like I was signaled out because you like to notary. And then you said you didn't have reconceived ideas, but you. Your actions say otherwise. Your ideas are preconceptos.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I think this is the perfect opportunity to get to open up to each other and get to know each other. So. And by that, I mean you're going to talk about yourself. And then when I realize that you're not asking me a single question. I may volunteer some information about my life. Okay, let's start this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle looks so shocked when she actually happens to listen to something somebody else said.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, oh, I know. Kyle is like, oh, I have the floor. Okay, let me take this. So Kyle starts doing this. Well, when I first met you, I mean, he. Mauricio, had just moved out, and Bo's like, oh, I see. Bose is like, in full therapist mode. And. Well, I just feel like I'm getting really emotional right now because I'm finally getting to have my scene because to Recon stole my storyline this year. It's supposed to be my storyline because I kind of, like, soft launched it at the end of last season, so I thought this would be my moment. It's like her. She took it. So I'm kind of like, I haven't been able to cry like this yet anyway. I don't know why I could feel. Like, I could feel it was coming. Like, I don't want to do that right now, but, like, I just want to be able to explain in the most open and honest. Honest hashtag. I trademarked that way. And I just want to get to know what. I just want you to get to know me and explain everything. Because, like, the way we did it, I don't know, we were kind of like the best divorce couple of all time. And, like, we're gonna be on the couple of the unknot magazine. And, like, now I don't know if we can be because, like, he's kissing some skank and Mykonos. I just. I don't know. It's like, a lot for me right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Kyle. I almost fell for the trap of feeling for Kyle because I was kind of feeling. Feeling of feeling for. I'm like, yeah, that must really suck. See your ex making out with someone. But then I remembered that he also knows what it's like to see your wife making out with some younger woman.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle getting tattoos of her, and then.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her saying that she wants a separation. And then now she's like. And then he left, and I just act. I just like, what? Like, what did he. Why would he leave? She's like, finally I said, he's gonna move out. Like, it was just so strange. Like, I was like, it's really happening. I was like, yeah, because you told him. He's a separate. Like, what do you. Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I did actually feel bad for her, even. I. I had. I went through the exact same journey where she's like, oh, you know, that sucks. Like, you've been with someone for 25 years. Like, I could literally could not imagine if this is something that happened, like, with Dom. And so I'm like, I. Oh, God, that would break my heart. So I. I felt for her. But then I was also thinking, like, this is so Kyle, because it's, you know, it's like, what about all the Morgan Wade stuff? You know, Know. So anyway, Bose is like, well, this is a real sad story. But I. I have sort of a funny. Not really funny, maybe morbid. But here's my story, since you didn't ask.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm really sorry about your husband leaving you. Mine died. Kyle's like, oh, she's. Kyle just looks at her like, oh, wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Something you may. Something you may have known if you'd ever asked me a single question this entire season. I meant we're on episode 15. God damn it. Anyway, so Peter died and Leila was four and we've been separated before he got sick and I was afraid to ask him for a divorce because, you know, know he's sick. And then I. I didn't want him to be mad at me and. But we were separated and they started seeing this other. And she came in there. I wanted the hotel room and she. Hospital room. And she was kissing his forehead and I was like, everyone out. I lost my mind. Get this out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, this was interesting. I don't think I remember that they were separated before they got divorced.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't know that either.

[Ben Mandelker]

Separated. He got cancer and then he, you know, this is men, I'm telling you, still get a girlfriend, you know, men will still get a goddamn girlfriend. I'll. Men can just. Men do it. What can I tell you? Especially in that town. Like rich men, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So he got a girlfriend when he saw her, like rubbing his bald head in the thing. She's like, I mean, I hated the guy, but still, get the fuck away from my man.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly. And so. So she tells this whole story and Kyle just goes, wow. Do you have any follow up questions, Kyle? Do you want to know more about this situation?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think Kyle was. That's what I'm saying. When Kyle was like legitimately shocked because she's used to just not listen people, but Bo's kind of caught her off guard because she's so businesslike, you know, And Kyle was actually listening. I was like, wow. I mean, damn it. She trumped me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Trump this for Kyle's also like, yeah. She's like, well, I. I still had some more points I wanted to make about Mauricio being in an airport in Mykonos, but you kind of played the my husband died of cancer and also was seeing another woman at the same time thing. So I don't really know how to pivot back to my scene. So. So then she just goes. She just goes back. Because, you know, obviously, I didn't love seeing that. Like, he feels bad enough as it is, and I know he feels horrible, but, like, I know him well enough to know that I'm like, okay, Kyle, we'll just go right back to Mauricio in the airport. Yeah. After Bose just told this story, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The. The struggling with the feelings of somebody that you love, moving on even though they're about to die. And where does that leave you? Kyle's like, but the paparazzi, right? I mean. Okay, wait, did paparazzi shoot pictures of this lady rubbing your dad's husband bald head? Okay, I win. I win. Still winning. Okay, let's go back to story now. So she's telling her, you know, he feels bad because he knows I'm. And, you know, it hurt me, and it hurt the girls, and it's like, okay, well, when are you all supposed to move on? Now, hold on. I'm gonna actually eat something, which you don't see where you don't see on the show. I'm gonna eat a carrot. Answer me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah, I did notice that she, like, leaned all the way over for that. You know, she thought, I'm just gonna do this discreetly. I'm sure they won't put it on the show. And they're like, get her reaching for that carrot. She was like, so. By the way, I think it's so strange that Kyle keeps on going out of her way to say, I know that Mauricio would never want to hurt me. And so he pro. He probably did not have any idea there was a photographer there. I can't say the same for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Like a woman, as usual.

[Ronnie Karam]

What the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I was always on the men's table.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, I think that part of it is that she is trying to protect her kids a little bit there. She doesn't want us to sow discord in her own family. But, like, it's kind of like, just. Why are you even. Why are you even mentioning it then? I just think it's, like, shady that she does. She's totally absolving Mauricio. I mean, what part of Mauricio wearing, like, a million beads and puka necklaces says that this guy is not going through a midlife crisis and being as petty as possible. I mean, mean. Yeah, I think it's totally. It's totally viable that he knew about the photographer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, I think it doesn't even matter. Cuz you. You left him, Kyle. That's it. That's what happens when you say get out now. Is it deserved? Probably. He's probably cheated on you a million times. I'm not saying it's not deserved, but I don't like the whole blaming the woman thing. Like you don't know that chick. Leave her alone. She sees a. She sees a rich man that she's dating in an airport. She's making out with him. Like, you go, girl. Get your back bag. Get your bag. But Kyle coming on national television and insinuating every single week that this is just some dirty slut who's trying to hurt her children. It's like, oh, okay, all right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just. Well, I mean, he wouldn't want to hurt me in any way. Or our girls. Well, what. When are you supposed to move on? She's like, well, we're separated and we're not divorced. And like we filed. We haven't filed for divorce. So how long do you think you can do that for? Or will it be. What I'm trying to say is it's been a long time we've been talking about this. So it's either, should I get off the pot? You know what I'm saying?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Have I mentioned cancer yet? She's like, yeah, well, you know, the photo changed things, I guess. And just. The photo, it changed things, Is that what you're saying? And she's like, yeah. I mean, I have to have a conversation, you know, like, I mean, I mean it gives me permission. Right, the photo. And she goes, hold on a minute. All right, go ahead.

[Ronnie Karam]

So this is going to be the first time that you see him. See each other since. Since he's been in Europe. Would you like to join us? She's like, I would actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's just sitting over there making all these noises and finally Kyle just starts having to crack up. She's like, oh my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

This lady's hilarious Areas. Hello there. This is a two part recap. Okay? This the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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