#2761 RHOBH S1415 Part Two: Love Papped

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #2761: RHOBH S15 Pt Two: Love Papped

Release Date: March 12, 2025

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Introduction

In the second part of their comprehensive two-part recap of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the turbulent dynamics between Dorit Kemsley and her husband, PK (Mauricio Umansky). This episode, aptly titled "Love Papped," dissects the emotional roller coaster and intricate relationships that have defined the latest season of RHOBH.

Dorit and PK's Turbulent Separation

The episode opens with Ben and Ronnie addressing the strained relationship between Dorit and PK. Dorit initiates the conversation by expressing the unexpected turn their separation has taken.

• Dorit Kemsley [03:22]: "PK and I have been separated for three months, and to that I'd like to say..."

Ben humorously speculates on the severity of their separation, likening it to a "worst kind of roller coaster," highlighting the emotional highs and lows they've experienced.

• Ronnie Karam [03:49]: "I would imagine it would be much scarier, actually waking up under the airbag that is PK..."

The hosts dissect PK's attempts to mediate the separation, pointing out his passive-aggressive remarks and control issues.

• PK [07:38]: "We need to communicate like civil people."

Ben mocks PK's request for a lawyer, suggesting his motives are less about amicable separation and more about financial gain.

• Ben Mandelker [07:54]: "Did I say that part out loud?"

Emotional Manipulations and Control Tactics

The discussion shifts to how both Dorit and PK are positioning themselves as victims in the divorce, creating a complex web of accusations and emotional manipulations.

• Ronnie Karam [11:11]: "Yes, it's because they're going to both be positioning selves as the victim in this divorce."

Ben highlights the futility of their arguments, emphasizing that their actions are detrimental not only to themselves but also to those around them.

• Ben Mandelker [10:21]: "So Dorit's like, why spend money on a lawyer? We can't afford a lawyer."

Garcelle and Sutton's Involvement

The hosts touch upon the interactions between other housewives, particularly Garcelle and Sutton, and how they influence the main couple's dynamics.

• Ronnie Karam [39:15]: "So, yeah, I know. Seriously. So sounds like..."

Ben further explores Garcelle's role in mediating tensions and her efforts to support Dorit amidst the chaos.

• Ben Mandelker [40:26]: "So then back in the other villa, Sutton is talking to Garcelle and Jennifer and Dorit about Dorit..."

The St. Lucia Trip: Highs and Lows

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the group's trip to St. Lucia, highlighting both glamorous and awkward moments that encapsulate the season's themes.

• Ben Mandelker [35:09]: "Like, poop time. Can we steal drums? Can I poop in your steel drum?"

The hosts narrate the intricate interactions between the housewives, emphasizing Kyle Richards' competitive nature and her struggles with acceptance within the group.

• Kyle Richards [33:37]: "She's feeling some weird vibes... Why is it awkward?"

Doris is shown grappling with her identity and the superficial aspects of her relationships, leading to comedic yet poignant observations from Ben and Ronnie.

• Dorit Kemsley [37:35]: "I panick. The idea of being without my candy for the next three or four days is actually very triggering for me..."

Character Developments and Emotional Climax

As the trip progresses, tensions reach a boiling point, culminating in emotional confrontations by the ocean.

• Dorit Kemsley [43:02]: "But you can't be the one who can give it and not be able to take it."

Ben and Ronnie analyze these heated exchanges, underlining the unresolved issues and the fragile state of the relationships.

Conclusion

Ben and Ronnie wrap up the episode by reflecting on the overall trajectory of Dorit and PK's relationship. While acknowledging the possibility of reconciliation post-midlife crises, they express indifference towards the outcome, focusing instead on the entertaining chaos that RHOBH continues to deliver.

• Ben Mandelker [27:36]: "But honestly, the degree that I care about whether or not they get back together is very low. I really don't care if they get back together."

Notable Quotes

• Dorit Kemsley [03:22]: "PK and I have been separated for three months, and to that I'd like to say..."

• Ben Mandelker [07:54]: "Did I say that part out loud?"

• Ronnie Karam [11:11]: "Yes, it's because they're going to both be positioning selves as the victim in this divorce."

• Dorit Kemsley [37:35]: "I panick. The idea of being without my candy for the next three or four days is actually very triggering for me..."

• Ben Mandelker [27:36]: "But honestly, the degree that I care about whether or not they get back together is very low. I really don't care if they get back together."

Final Thoughts

"Watch What Crappens" delivers a sharp, humorous, and insightful analysis of the latest developments in RHOBH Season 15 Part Two. Ben and Ronnie masterfully navigate the intricacies of celebrity relationships, providing listeners with both laughs and thoughtful commentary. Whether you're a die-hard fan or a casual observer, this episode offers a compelling recap that captures the essence of the drama and glamour that defines The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what happens. Watch what happens. Watch what crap. Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much rap? Watch what crap. Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to Drake's Hollywood and it's time for a PK and Dorit. So I don't know much, but I can tell you this much. Drake's had a group on this week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, you know, if you're having a conversation where you're trying to reconcile and move forward with your with your partner who you're possibly going to divorce. Of course I'm going to go to Drake's. Like a sceny nightclub. I don't get this at all. So yeah, it had to be the Groupon. So they sit down, they're talking and she's like how are you?

[Dorit Kemsley]

A little weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, well, life's weird, isn't it? One moment you're staring down the the. Into the dark abyss of the Pringles can. The next moment, you're on your own little flat, remembering the days when you had a wife who'd get pied in the face, literally, at a pantone in Britain. It is a weird life.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, I mean, it's good. Thankfully, you've leaned in and given me a kiss. And he's like, why wouldn't I, babe? Just. Well, I don't know, because. Would you like a high five instead? Here you go. Purse is gone. Where'd your purse go?

[Dorit Kemsley]

PK and I have been separated for three months, and to that I'd like to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she says what I thought.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Was going to be an amicable separation turned into three months of the worst kind of roller coaster I could have.

[Ben Mandelker]

Imagined, which I would love to imagine. The worst roller coaster that Doritos imagined, what shape it would take. So we see a montage of it all going sour and everything over the past few months.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would imagine it would be much scarier, actually waking up under the airbag that is PK you know, it's like you're. You're waking up every morning like you've been in a crash. You know, at least a roller coaster you can feel free. It's just all a matter of perspective.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So server comes over, and PK Wants a mocktail.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Do you have a phony Negroni?

[Ben Mandelker]

The server's like, I don't know what that is, but I can make that up. It is a phony Negroni, after all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Negroni. So we see flashbacks of all their problems and Dorit being upset and telling Kathy that PK is not, in fact, a good father, and she's like, well, I have no idea what to expect tonight. But I'll tell you what I do expect. Two for one calamities.

[Dorit Kemsley]

But I feel like my eyes are wide open for the first time in a very long time.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, babe, so you went to the ophthalmologist today and got dilated. Congratulations. I've been telling you, do that for a while. I don't want to get cataracts. I don't want to misinterpret what you mean by your eyes are wide open. So can you elaborate?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, I mean, the last few months, something shifted in you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I finally had that bowel movement. You eat so many Pringles that eventually things get clogged up down there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Turns out all I needed was a bit of magnesium. Babe, right? Now, look, first things start to go wrong when we spoke about the apartment, when I said I'm taking the apartment, you know, one of the significant issues in our marriage where you. Control issue, you know, there was with me, you know, we're separated, and then you're dictating where I'm going to live. I mean, that's. You know, that's in the backdrop of me knowing you're in our house and I'm taking this really small apartment. Funnily enough, the house isn't being paid for and the apartment is. I mean, how fair is that? How fair is that? And you, I love PK Acting like, oh, wow, poor me. I have to be in this tiny little apartment while you raise our children, and I don't even call them or pay for the house that you're living in, which you're about to be booted out of in a couple of months due to non payment. Have fun with that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Poor PK I also love him. Talking about control issues, we're the ones who saw you force Dorit to name her company Beverly beach and name all these dresses. This one's called the rose. This one's called the Pringle. This one's called the combo. I mean, you know, like, as far as we can tell, you were calling the shots in this relationship, and that's what we saw on camera.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, but we never even had a conversation about the apartment. And he's like, well, I didn't want. I didn't want to have the conversation about the apartment. She goes, but that's my point. And he's like, but that's my point. Poor touche.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Got more points than an actual Dorito. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Never. There's been never better time for a phony negroni to arrive. It's getting so tense. So Dorit's like, well, we clearly have different views. Unfortunately, my view is a little bit.

[Dorit Kemsley]

More unpleasant than your view. But what I would like to know is what prompted that long email that knocked me off of my feet?

[Ronnie Karam]

God, people are really having stability issues this couple of weeks on Beverly Hills. Last week, it was the assistant who lost the feeling in her legs when she saw the pap shot. This week, Dorit gets knocked over by an email. I mean, Jesus Christ, get these people some rails in their bathroom. Falling all over.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I get so weak at the knees, I can hardly breathe. I lose all control. It knocks me right off of my knees. Pk.

[Ben Mandelker]

So PK is like, dory, do we really want to start discussing only one. Only one part of that email?

[Dorit Kemsley]

No, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

But because it was a summary of how you make me feel and what life would potentially look like if we don't resolve this. And the reason I asked you to retain a law was an attempt to try to have a sensible conversation because we're not able to communicate. Okay, so bring in some experts so I don't have to listen to your voice and have listen to someone else's voice. And then we can get divorced after that. You know what I'm saying there to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Read you that we need to communicate. I want to communicate like civil people.

[Kyle Richards]

Civil people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. He's the one telling her to get a lawyer. Get a lawyer. How stupid are you, lady?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

I still. I still think that she's trying to save this marriage because she's the only one with the check coming in. I don't think PK has any money and think there's nothing to fight over. So she's like, why spend money on a lawyer? We can't afford a lawyer. And the only. The only reason he wants to divorce me is so he can take half of my damn money while I'm still on this dog and pony show. And I'm not going to give it to him. So I'll just try and win him back. I'll just keep stacking Pringles tubes in the house until the smell is so strong that he comes here from Bel Air.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think that's actually a really good theory that she doesn't want to give up her housewives money. So these giant salads arrived. PK's like, well, you can have one of these between the two for the two of us. You know what I'm saying? But I'll have two. So then Dorit's like, well, the email.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Suggested that you'd retained a lawyer and that you were 100 steps ahead of me. Did you at any point want a divorce?

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, you can see in his eyes, he's kind of like, what part of me moving out of the house, move into a small flat and emailing you saying, get a lawyer, says, I don't want to have a divorce.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's just like red faced. I mean, he looks so harried. The man looks like a bunion. I mean, he just looks like a bunion sitting there. What are you fighting for? Let him go. You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. You know what Doriti is just some hot guy. Like, you know what? I could see her with, like, someone who looks like. And this guy's not even my type, but I could see her with someone like Eric Vanya or something. Like, someone that kind of. Or like, what's his face from the last of us. Like, I can see her with a guy like that. Not pk. Come on, Dorit. Like, cut. Cut the. Cut the ballasts and live your have your hot Dorit moment in Los Angeles. She deserves it, for crying out loud.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think that's what she's looking for. You know, like, when she was all young and fresh, she saw PK at a bar and was like, you're married with kids. Let's do this. Let's do this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, she got a human s'mores, basically. So Dorit's like, so you had retained.

[Dorit Kemsley]

A lawyer, and you were 100 steps. Like I said before, I already said all this part.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, look, look, the reality is we have to co parent, and we have to keep it loving and kind, and we have to work on a relationship and make ourselves. We have to get back to that, you know, because guess what? You're my best mate, and I'm gonna take you for everything you have in this divorce. Did I say that part out loud?

[Dorit Kemsley]

We need.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I meant to say we need to find a friendship again so that way I can get more money out of you when we do get divorced. All right, you're down with that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she is doing this thing where she's just looking at him. She's like, but tell me, pk, tell me, do you have in your mind. Dorit and I are going to work through things, but divorce is divorce there? And he's like, I don't know. I'll have to talk to my divorce attorney about how to answer that. Ooh, you don't know. I don't know whether it's in our future. I don't know if I can afford it, frankly, or I'm looking through legal zoom. It's exhausting to read, honestly, But I've watched a lot of law and orders, and here's what I have to say to you, Chong. Chong.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I don't feel in my heart I want a divorce, but I'm not the one in control. And gee, truthfully, PK Is calling the shots.

[Ben Mandelker]

They keep on accusing each other of being the one in control. It's some weird game they're playing. I think it's like, to position themselves for this battle that they're about to go into.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, it's because they're going to both be positioning selves as the victim in this divorce. So they're trying to get on camera that they're really the victim of the other one in here. And the real victims are all the people that you don't pay. Okay, pay your bills. So then they leave. They've worked out nothing to Reese pissed. So. And she's trying to do this thing where she's kind of facing her back to PK like, I'm not talking to you anymore. Well, that's what he wants. So they're on kind of a no win situation here. But you marry pk. So now let's go to Bose's house. So Bose is setting a table because tonight she's having her first ever dinner with Keely and her daughter. Bump, bump, bump, Lael.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's setting it up and everything. And she like bonks her glass. That's the sound of crystal. And so Keely comes over and sits down for dinner and everything. And you know, Lael and Keely have really only been around each other in the company of other people. And we've never had one on one time. So now it's gonna be the Keely and Lael show.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, things are moving quickly with Keely and I. You know, we're speed of light and Laos back there in the caboose. So I need her to come along the journey and get to know Keely a bit better. Don't ask for peanuts. People might be allergic. So she. He brings her flowers and she's so sweet. I mean, this girl is like raised right. She's a very nice girl. So they sit down and start eating and she just starts grilling the guys. She's like, so are you guys gonna move in together before you get married and have babies? When are you gonna have babies? When are you moving in? Do I have to move to San Diego? I don't want to move to San Diego. You should move here. Is there any reason haven't moved here?

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you have a 401k? Do you have a cash balance plan?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Mutual funds.

[Ronnie Karam]

Great.

[Ben Mandelker]

How do you feel about bonds? Okay, mutual funds. So she's just asking all the questions. And he's basically, you know, he's. He answers nicely and everything. He's like, I just want you to be happy. And I want, you know, want you and your mom to have conversations if we're ever to move in, if we ever do anything. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Ronnie Karam]

His Answers are not very good to me because Lael's like, okay, this is a hard question. When are you gonna get married and have a kid? And he's like, well, your mom embodies the essence of somebody who would instill great values. How about that? No, no, no, sir, it's not it. And they're nodding like, oh, my God, this guy's so good at this. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, he does say that. Like, you know, she asked, would you. Would you move up here or would we have to move down there? And he does say he would come up. I think that is. That's nice because. Not nice, like. Not like, oh, what? What?

[Ronnie Karam]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Kindness. But we're so used to assholes on Bravo that I was shocked that it was a guy not saying, like, well, obviously have to move down to San Diego. I was like, what? Wait a second. There's someone who's courting someone on Bravo who's actually, like, willing to make concessions for the woman. That's so shocking. So, yeah. So basically, it's a nice scene with the three of them. So now we go to Kyle's house and Kyle is with Portia in the kitchen. And Kyle's like, I feel so tired right now. The dogs woke me up so early. I was like, you know, I can't. I can't with these dogs. They woke her up at 5 in the morning. Stop feeding them kombucha. She's like, well, I had to get to the kombucha supply. I'm going out of town.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm going to be gone five days. Kombucha doesn't last. So Portia's like, okay, what time did they wake you up? Like, five in the morning. Can you believe it? She's like, that's brutal. So dad comes over and Portia's like, well, I've been getting tired at, like, 9 and waking up at 8 because you're up. Like, I'm still on Europe time. Bonjour, dad.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, there's, like, a large portion of adults who are like, is that what that's called, Europe time? I thought that was being over 40 time. So Mauricio walks in. He's like, hey, how's everyone? Oh, my God, the dog got so big.

[Dorit Kemsley]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

What do you mean? The dog got stove. All they talk about now are the dogs. That's. They can't talk about anything else. Trigger issue.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she's like, dad, you're hot. Like, why are you so hot, dad? Like, oh, look, it's. I haven't seen your Baby. Sorry. I suppose he's like, oh, I haven't seen you, baby. Yeah, look at you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Look at you. Oh, wow. Kyle. Hello, Kyle. How are you, Kyle? She's like, I'm good. How are you? Like, hold on. I'm working on my foreh veins here. I'm gonna cry.

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I'm gonna cry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I don't know what this relationship is that Mariso has with this, like, young skank, but, like, I don't know if it's just, like, a passing thing or it's your thing, because I know how women are. Oh, really? Thanks. That's so shitty. So Kyle's like, so how are they?

[Ronnie Karam]

The, like, shoot music videos, like, basically making out with you while you're married to some other guy than, like, coming to your friend's memorial and kind of making out with you on camera while you're married? That kind. I mean, come on, give me a break. Stop shaming the women in this. This is Mauricio. He's making out with someone because you started it. Cut the crap, lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

But now, on the other hand, Mauricio is becoming, like, a really embarrassing White Lotus character. He's like, oh, yeah. Like, it was great. Like, I went out there and, like, a lot of spas and, like, sound healing and spiritual healing, and I got all these cool beads that I'm wearing now. And, like, I only partied, like, five nights out of 25 nights. Like, I don't know. I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, they're all white characters on this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

What'd you say?

[Ronnie Karam]

Aren't they all White Lotus characters on this show?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, yeah, but something about him. Something about him being. He's just. He's. He is such a. He is such a stereotypical midlife crisis guy. Although, I mean, like, again, the crisis was. Was foisted on him to some degree. But, like, the. Just all the necklaces and the bracelets and partying and Mykonos and going to sound baths and, like, I like, dude, I don't know. It just is so ridiculous to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know why we're talking about the difference between him and Kyle, who's all of a sudden, like, I'm getting tattoos now, dating a young country star, and, like, and dming Kesha to hang out, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I'm not saying that it's mutually exclusive. Like, it's not. It's not a zero sum game. Just because he's going through midlife crisis. She can't. They're both going through it for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're both.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I just think that like his is, his is just so cheesy. He just is having a very cheesy midlife crisis that's just kind of like, oh, could you just be more original in your midlife crisis? Do something interesting like open up an ice cream shop or something down baths of Mekonels. Come on. Commercials.

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So we go back to the caviar and Caftan's party and Faye Resnick is like do you know that Mo is trying to get PK and my husband to go to San Tropez? I mean now he wants to drag my husb been into a single lifestyle? I don't think so.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Mauricio is like having some hummus now and cause like this is very awkward because we both know what we are both thinking which is gosh those necklaces are distracting. It's like, so, yeah, that's it. That's like, what I'm doing. Sound baths and Mykonos. It's pretty cool. Nothing else really happened there. So let me just open some cabinets and close them for a little bit until hopefully you leave the room, I guess. You're not leaving the room.

[Ronnie Karam]

You keep the kombucha. Like, I don't even know what's up or down anymore in here. It's like, sorry, the dogs drank it. That's why they're a little hyper.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle's like, I feel like he's distracting himself so he doesn't have to deal with me. And we just see him just opening things and, like, looking for stuff. And, like, do you have that. That lemon juicer? I didn't. It's like, you're not even holding a lemon. I know. I just want to hear what it sounds like when you clack it open and close to.

[Ronnie Karam]

I want to put my hand in it to distract me from the pain. That is the scene. He's like, well, it was an awkward trip because, you know, it's the first time I go without the family, and I wanted to do it, you know, I wanted to go alone, you know, take advantage, see what it looks like, you know, going around without making decisions about what we're gonna do that day. I was like, ooh, slam on Kyle. He's like, yeah, you know how freeing it was to go somewhere and not have a fucking to do list?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, I just wanted to go somewhere and see what it would be like to be on vacation. And then if someone sees a bee that it does not become an entire meltdown that has to be dealt with for the rest of the day. Okay, all right, all right.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You're now taking digs at me.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then he stirs his coffee. He's just like, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung. He's like, clinking the coffee cup. Clink, clink, clink, clink.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, settle down, Kathryn Keener.

[Ronnie Karam]

Clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was so loud. He's like, are you trying to hypnotize Kyle away? He's like, no, I'm just trying to come.

[Ronnie Karam]

The dog starts speaking English. He's like, can I please be taken out of the house? Oh, my God, what happened to you? Clink, clink. Okay, thank God he's back to normal.

[Ben Mandelker]

So get out of the dog's gold movie.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, please, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

The feel good movie of the year for that dog. Get out. It's like, I laughed, I cried. It was better than Cats. That has so many layers for me. So then Mo is like, so obviously, you know, in Mykonos, I got photographed, you know, in the airport. And, you know, I would never want to do anything on purpose that would hurt you or the kids, honey. Just, you know, it's just, you know, when you see a hot girl, you just have to go for it, you know? And I really am sorry for you, you know, hurting you. And I never want to hurt you on purpose. She's like, yeah, I know you never want to do that on purpose. And I know you did not know your pictures were being taken. I don't know that the other person didn't know that. But either way, it's just, like, really hard to see.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think another reason Kyle's so suspicious is because Kyle is the woman who's getting pictures secret, secretly taking. Taking of her. And Morgan's probably like, why are these pictures always showing up? Nobody ever follows me. And Kyle's like, it's because I'm so famous. It's, like, crazy. I mean, they just happen to be outside of the dry cleaners. Nuts. Nuts. I know. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

This just makes me think of Ladies of London, when the group went to Denmark to see Caroline Fleming's Life in Denmark, and there was, like, a single paparazzo that was there that she clearly had called. I was just, like, following them around. Ladies, I'm so sorry for the paparazzi. I really am so terribly sorry for this. It's absolutely terrible that they are just following us around, plaguing us. I really am so sorry, everyone. What a terrible inconvenience.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, the photos really did say, he's moving on. You know, like, you can live in this La La land for as long as you want, but it was a hammer on my head saying, hello, Kyle. He's moved on. It's okay. You're both entitled to live your lives. Oh, come here, Love Bean. Don't cry. Come on, Love Bean.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, now we know what we said. No more singing La La Land in the house. I'm really getting sick of those songs. Okay, so he's like, just. She's like, I just. I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. He's like, you know, I think about, like, how did we get here? Like, if we care about each other so much, how did we allow this to happen? Everything we buil this is the rug being ripped out from under your feet. And I did not expect my life to go in this direction. So they're crying in each other's arms, which is sad, because regardless of how it happened, they were together for a really long time, and it really does suck. So she's like, it's photos. I think it makes it pretty clear that this is permanent, and I don't think it's going to be easy to come back from that. They're done, Dunzo.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go. I don't. I still don't believe they're them. I don't know. I don't believe it. Part of me just doesn't believe any of this. So then we go. But, you know, I never do. I told you that I never think people are going to get divorced. It's like War of the Roses, and I'm like, they're gonna. Surely Catherine or Kathleen Turner is going to get back together with Michael Douglas. I mean, they just have so much in common. It didn't work out.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I could definitely see these two getting back together because, again, they're both going through a midlife crisis. They got married when they're really young. They're kind of having a moment. The kids. Kids are all grown up, so they're sort of dealing with the reality of their situation. And again, I do really think, like, you know, as much as we talk about, like, this Morgan and Kyle situation, I do think that there was something. I feel like Mauricio was not emotionally available to Kyle when she was dealing with her friend's death. I really feel like that was probably something that was going on there. So I just imagine there's a lot of turmoil in that relationship. But I can also. I. I don't. I also think there is a chance that once I sort of go through this. This their mutual midlife crisis, there is a chance that they could come back together. But honestly, the degree that I care about whether or not they get back together, very low. I really don't care if they get back together.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, me too. So now everybody's packing to go to St. Louisa, and Avi is spinning her, sweating around on a swivel chair, and he's like, here we go, Saint Luca. And then we go to Dorit, And Dorit's like, all right, cheeky. I need to show you a couple of options. And then we cut to Jagger, and he's got his finger on his. His cheek.

[Kyle Richards]

Like, show me the option of what you're going to wear.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so she shows him something, and.

[Kyle Richards]

He'S like, oh, not mature enough.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, it's Paco Riboni.

[Kyle Richards]

It's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'S raising a monster. She's raised a monster. Look at that kid.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, us Play a game. So then Kyle is packing with her assistant friend Jen. And Kyle's like, okay, I'm going to bring you both of my options. Whatever. Could you also bring me a cane? Because I am losing sensation in my legs. I die for these looks. I'm going to flop over. Oh, my God. I'm on the ground. And I. You know what? I'm going. I, I, I, I. I don't feel anything anymore. The only thing I feel is just pure joy at seeing what you've made there. Amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Then we go to Jennifer Tilly's, and she's putting on a hat that's all feathers and it's like a big feather wreath, I guess on.

[Kyle Richards]

She's like, oh, this hat is just so fabulous. I can't wait to wear this in Saint Lucia. Black lace bra, high Uncle Jean.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Erica Jane is trying on things like, look at these houses. That's cute. You know, we want to be comfortable when we go and do activewear, so get me that most hope we get activewear you can find. And Laia brings out some, like, jorts. And she goes, and this is even Marho. Like, oh, that's known as regular for me. And then we go to Bose's home, and Bose is packing with Nico, her adorable little assistant. And she's like, well, did you know that this is the only country in the world that is named after a woman? And he's like, oh, my God, I love that. What's her name? Lucia. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Esther. What do you think her name is? Jesus Christ, if you weren't so good with the glue gun, you'd be out of here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm gonna have you bedazzle on Atlas while I'm gone.

[Ronnie Karam]

So the women come to the airport. It's the Housewives airport arrival thing. And Dorit comes in a trench coat. And Kathy's like, we're not going to New York, idiot.

[Dorit Kemsley]

This is the only thing that Jackie would approve. So I just had to wear it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Till we get out of his line of sight. So then everyone's showing up. It's cool because they're, like, in. Clearly, they're in, like, the celebrity holding area, you know, because they go with the special entrance. But I think they all get to. I think they get to go to a special room for celebrities. That way they don't have to deal with the regular folk for as long as possible. And so everyone, like, where they're in two different groups. Because first we have one group, the. The Kathy and Dorit group. They fly out first, and then the rest is showing up at night.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And Jennifer Tilly's like, the red eye.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they all are saying, like, oh, my God, you look right. You look great. Look right. Like, right. And Kyle's saying, like, just so happy to escape the paparazzi that are photographing Mauricio, and she can just enjoy herself.

[Ronnie Karam]

But weren't the pops in out of the country? Or were they at lax? Weren't they at the airport in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not la Nikonos.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought it was in Greece. It was the Greek airport that they were at. But whatever. Kyle's going with it. It's just so hard to escape the paparazzi. And Jennifer Tilly is pulling out a small Hermes bag that's, like, really old and leathery and falling apart and stuff. She can't get the zipper open.

[Kyle Richards]

And she's like, yeah, well, I met this woman. She was a princess, and she sold me a Birkin bag. So look at this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle. Kyle's eyes are doing, like, you know, like in Looney Tunes where they come out of your. They come out and they point around. They look around the room like little cones. She's just staring at this vintage Hermes bag, and she's like. Like saliva is pooling on the floor beneath her shoes. Yeah.

[Kyle Richards]

That is stunningly beautiful.

[Ben Mandelker]

This.

[Kyle Richards]

Look at this Hermes crocodile vintage. It's divine. I need one of those boxes in my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I think there's something. Like, when Kyle pines for something and Erica pines for something, there's, like, a difference. Erica pines like, oh, God, I used to be rich. God, I'd love to have that.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Could you please spare some Hermes for a pauper in the street? Please?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, whereas Kyle's like, I need this. If I don't have this, why. Why am I even here? Why am I even on this TV show? Like, her entire, like, identity seems to ride on having these other things that other people have because she's so competitive, and she's like, if she sees that Jennifer Tilly just casually has this super rare vintage thing that she got from a princess. Kyle's like, well, who do I know who's royal, who can give me something?

[Dorit Kemsley]

I need something.

[Ben Mandelker]

I need something right now. It's just great watching her spiral. I guess that's what it is. She spirals. Whereas Erica just pines.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Erica's a girl standing outside of the store looking in at things that she could one day have. You know, she's dreaming. Whereas Kyle's, like, running around from clerk to clerk, like, get me that of your fire and get me that you're fired.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a much better and more succinct way of saying what I just tried to explain. Sometimes I have to talk it through to get to where I need. To what? To get to what I'm trying actually say.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Erica tells Kyle, oh, my God.

[Kyle Richards]

You are way too rich to carry that ugly luggage. I can't take it. Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

She, like, call me what I want. I'm Sensible spice. Ow. I'm still using Spice Girl references.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sensible spice. That's the most Kyle Richards naming of a spice. Spice Girl of all time. Sensible space.

[Ronnie Karam]

Going back. So her reunion performance, where she was like, wow, what are you, angry spies?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, now they get on the plane and they fly, and it's really fun. And they're here.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're in St. Lucia. So here we are. So they get the whole people out there and, you know, all of the people playing drums and dancing around, giving them big drinks, and we get to see their rooms, and they're super pretty. And Jennifer Tilly's like, wow, how cute. There's drum people out there, and there are, you know. But it's kind of one of those things where you just want to put your shit down. But now you have to watch a show. It's like, okay, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, wrap it up. I'm glad to. I'm glad to not be a real housewife for that, because I don't like welcome speeches. I'm like, again, it's like, I need to use the toilet. I don't want to listen to steel drums.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, poop time. Can we steal drums? Can I poop in your steel drum? Okay. Can I use that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You got a steel drum? Do you have a tushy? Because this butt needs a bidet at the moment. So welcome to the Windjammer. So they're there, by the way. They got, like, monogrammed pillowcases. That was very impressive. Did you see that?

[Ronnie Karam]

I sure did. So they got those. They love them. And then they've watched the steel band. Steel drum band and stuff. And so they. The room announcements are here. Eric and Dorit, here. Cara, Cathy, you're in the villa together. And then Sutton, Garcelle, and Jen, and.

[Kyle Richards]

She'S like, wait a minute. I have to sleep in the same bed as Sutton? Oh, God. I've traveled with Sutton before. I don't think we've ever shared a Bed. But I had, however, slept next to her on a plane. And she wakes up like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. Yeah. So Erica goes into her room and she's like, wow, this is stunning. This is. Maybe Bo is giving Kathy a run for her money. And then the other people go to their villa and Jennifer's like, oh, do.

[Dorit Kemsley]

We have to climb stairs? Oh, to get to the villa? No, no. Oh, no, this is too much for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they go up the stairs and everything. So they go into their villa and everything, which is of course, gorgeous. They've got an infinity pool. You can see the ocean. And then they all start like gallivanting outside and sending and like taking in the views. And Kathy, when we see this like extended montage of Kathy slowly unloading an infinite number of jars and bottles onto her bathroom counter, very slowly and very.

[Ronnie Karam]

Deliberately putting her hair in the sink. She's like bags of hair. You know, sperm whale sperm for her face. She's got like everything in their stem baby stem cells and. And now people start to gossip. But first Jennifer Tilly's candy has spilled all over her suitcase.

[Kyle Richards]

And she's like, oh, no, my candy came apart. Disaster. I can still eat it, right?

[Dorit Kemsley]

I panick. The idea of being without my candy for the next three or four days is actually very triggering for me. Like, I know I'm going to need to eat this candy at three in the morning and after I've had one of our terrifying dinners.

[Ronnie Karam]

What candy was that? I didn't even recognize that they're the shape of Mike and Ike's, but they're like solid Christmas colors instead of July looking. What are they? Not Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

It looked like something you'd get at a rave in like 1997. I have no idea. Like good. Yeah, I think they were like, what's.

[Ronnie Karam]

The one that starts with good?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good and Plenty. Good and Plenty maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God, I have to get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think there was something like that. I'm sure that she could find them on.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're Good and Plenties, but Good and Plenty's are white and pink. Well, they've probably got multiple colored ones. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's know like how M M's. You can go the M M store if. Listen, if you're rich like Jennifer Tilly.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You'Re just like, hello, Good and Plenty people. Hi, this is Jennifer Tilly calling. I was wondering, could I get my own custom colors for Good and Plenty? I just really like the way they look and it just helps me ignore the fact that be waking up in the middle of the night Going anyway, thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. These are. These good. Good and Plenty. I've never really dipped into the Good and plenty pool. Should I. Maybe I will. I love them. I can.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I haven't had Good and plenty in, like, 30 years. I mean, they. They would sort of, like, wind up in your Halloween hall, and you're like, well done with all the snickers and all the good stuff. So time to try the Good and plenty. It's like Smarties. You know, there's like, that whole genre of these generic, forgettable candies, but people love them. I mean, Good and Plenty people still buy. I mean, there's. They're still. You know, you can still get them very easily. They look like drugs.

[Ronnie Karam]

So back to Sutton and Garcelle and Jennifer. Sutton's like, well, have I said hello to Tariq? Did anybody see that? I don't even remember if I did. And Garcelle's like, well, I didn't see it, but I wasn't with you. And she goes, well, I'm just. I'm feeling some weird vibes. Weird. Very weird. Gee, I can't imagine why. Sutton, last time you saw her, you called her Porite in front of the entire crew of people. Why is it awkward?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, I know. Seriously. So sounds like. I think that she just digs at me pretty hard. And Garcelle's like, okay, well, we're back. I can see your eyes. Sun's got, like, her eyes have become very feline, and she's just like. She's doing that look on her face like, okay, I've. I've. I've now dealt with my mother over two weeks, and now I'm going to repurpose that fury, and I'm gonna aim.

[Ronnie Karam]

It to reach her eyes. She's like, oh, there's those. Ey. So Garcel's like, well, I'm getting weird vibes from Dorit. Oh. Oh. So then Dorit, we go to Dorit's room, and she's like, well, I want to enjoy the trip, you guys. I don't just want to sit around with things fering.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And we.

[Ronnie Karam]

We haven't said 12 words to one another, but I know she's going to.

[Kyle Richards]

Come in with a wrath. And then I know when she's coming.

[Ronnie Karam]

In not in a race, and Bo is like, well, how's she coming in today? She goes, oh, she's coming in like, I might have been a bad girl, which is very. Which is very sudden. You know, Sutton rips you a new One. And the next day, she's like, why? Why can't we just be friends? I don't understand. Aren't we sisters?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then back in the other villa, Sutton is talking to garcelle and Jennifer and Dorit about Dorit, and Sutton's like, well, here's the thing. I'm watching Dorit with Kyle, and Dorit's at exactly like, they're best friends again. Yeah, but the forgiveness factor is so easy between them. Well, that and, you know, they. They always had that. And I'm sure that they can say we have that too. In fact, they did say that. She said, I have rose tinted glasses when it comes to you. So Jennifer's like, well, go figure.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also, they're actual friends. You're not friends with Dorit when. Why would Kyle. Why would you get the same forgiveness? You're not the same. You hate each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Jennifer's like, you know, I. I.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Like all the girls, but I have to say, it's a clicky group, and it's tough to cr. I mean, myself, as a newcomer, as an Oscar nominee, it's a difficult group to crack. And that's all I'm saying. And I had some sort of weird expectation that we'd be all gonna be walking along and skipping and holding hands and singing and. No, that didn't really quite happen between us.

[Kyle Richards]

You know, I like everyone to like me, and I really thought, oh, these girls all hang out together. We're gonna have sleepovers, but they have history, and it's a little clicky, you know? I mean, it's like when I was a kid in high school, I always wanted to be a popular girl, but I was just that girl with dirty hair who didn't take showers very much. And just, you know, I probably shouldn't say that part.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Now I'm richer than all of them combined.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So Jennifer's like, so sun's now cheering.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Up, like, what's wrong, satin? Did you lose your candy also?

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, no, it's just that it's been. It's just been a long time, long row with these girls. And the only person that truly supports me is Garcelle. And even Kyle won't say, come on, this is enough. It's always like, you two, you two. It's like, never. Dorit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just, like, too much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Garcelle's like, well, that's. The million dollar question is why does Sutton continue to stand up for Kyle when Kyle doesn't always stand up for. For her. I don't know. I don't know. Like, please ask that to Kyle.

[Ronnie Karam]

They do all the time. But it's not true. Sutton doesn't always stand up for Kyle. Sutton's. Meanwhile, Sutton's planning with Garcelle on how to bring up Morgan stuff to Kyle. So I don't think that Sutton's always standing up for Kyle. That's not true. So she's like, I just want them to like me so much, and I just can't get him to those poor. I could buy and sell each one of those.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then 24 hours later, we see them all fighting in the ocean.

[Dorit Kemsley]

But you can't be the one who can give it and not be able to take it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You pose as a friend, and oftentimes you work as an enemy.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is not gonna be a sudden trial.

[Kyle Richards]

See? Oh, no. You're being ridiculous, Sutton.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, what do you want from me? What do you all want from me?

[Ben Mandelker]

And that's the episode that's all I need.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little Sutton breakdown. Yay. Well, that brings us to the end of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, everybody. We'll see you in Cincinnati, Minneapolis, and Toronto this weekend. Get your tickets over at watch what crappens.com for traders recaps and airport snaps and all that good stuff. That's also Patreon, and we'll talk to you guys next time. Okay?

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