#2767 Crappy Hour 3/17/25: Dorit V Debts, Jax V Cocaine, Carl V Literature, Bravoleb Pods

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens – Episode #2767 "Crappy Hour 3/17/25: Dorit V Debts, Jax V Cocaine, Carl V Literature, Bravoleb Pods"

Release Date: March 18, 2025

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1. Welcome and Personal Updates

The episode kicks off with Ronnie Caram and Ben Mandelker sharing their recent experiences with cold weather and travel. Ronnie humorously praises Porter Air, mentioning their quirky mascot raccoon and the unique in-flight announcements that left both hosts exasperated.

Ronnie Caram [03:26]: "They have a little cute raccoon as their mascot... they made so many announcements on that flight, it was nonsense."

Ben adds his thoughts on enduring the cold, reminiscing about their time in Toronto and Minneapolis before flying back to Los Angeles.

Ben Mandelker [03:11]: "I'm freezing cold. But other than that, I'm cold. I kind of like it and I'm getting used to it."

2. Bravo TV Headlines and Discussions

Sheena's Appearance on Masked Singer

The hosts delve into recent happenings on Bravo, starting with the surprise appearance of Sheena on The Masked Singer. They ponder how she managed to conceal her identity, given her distinctive voice and presence.

Ben Mandelker [06:26]: "How did you not know it was Sheena? I mean, wasn't every song just, like, one of every one of the prime cocktails."

Ronnie imagines Sheena in various disguises, emphasizing her recognizable personality.

Ronnie Caram [06:35]: "Imagine if she was on just the masked waitress... you're like, who is that waitress? It's always Sheena."

Carl Radke's Biography

Carl Radke is spotlighted for releasing his biography titled "Cake Eater", addressing misconceptions about his personality and lifestyle.

Ronnie Caram [09:21]: "It's about misconceptions about me. One misconception is that I don't like weight, but I'm being put on me."

Ben appreciates Carl's venture into literature, highlighting the humorous debunking of his "cake eater" label.

Jax Taylor's New Podcast and Cocaine Addiction Confession

The hosts discuss Jax Taylor launching a new podcast, "In the Mind of a Man," where he openly confesses to a cocaine addiction. They critique his approach to addressing personal issues on a public platform.

Ben Mandelker [10:21]: "He has a cocaine addiction. It's very difficult to hear and process."

They humorously suggest a rename to mock his confession's nature.

Ronnie Caram [10:44]: "Maybe you should rename his podcast from in the Mind of a Man to in the Nose of a Man."

New Bravo Podcasts: Bran, Gia Giudice, and Michelle Lolly

Bran (Roni) releases "See Below", accompanied by quirky Instagram posts, while Gia Giudice ventures into podcasting with "Casual Chaos". The hosts express skepticism about their content but remain entertained by their antics.

Ben Mandelker [11:15]: "She made an Instagram with it and she just took wacky pictures of herself... so that sounds terrifying. I'm sure it'll be full of lies, which is fine."

3. Age Dynamics on Bravo Shows

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the age differences among cast members across various Bravo shows. They highlight how younger and older personalities interact, sometimes incongruously, leading to interesting dynamics.

Ronnie Caram [19:07]: "Did you know that Whitney from Southern Charm is older than Mauricio? Isn't that crazy?"

They debate the appropriateness of age mixing in shows like Real Housewives of New York City and Summer House, pondering how it affects group chemistry.

Ben Mandelker [20:38]: "She's so youthful, but she's 56 years old. It's like someone who's just partying at 22."

4. Tamara Judge's Instagram Tantrum

The hosts address Tamara Judge's dramatic Instagram post declaring her departure from Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC). They speculate on the reasons behind her sudden exit, suggesting conflicts with co-star Gretchen.

Ronnie Caram [27:10]: "Tamara got back to work. So we don't know what happened on that New Orleans trip, but obviously..."

Ben criticizes Tamara's approach, highlighting the tension between her and Teddi Mellencamp.

Ben Mandelker [28:01]: "Real Housewives of Orange County is the reason our podcast is so big. One of us needs to be on tv, and we know it's not gonna be me. Get your ass back to work."

5. Insights from New Orleans Trip

Ronnie shares exclusive insights from a recent trip to New Orleans, where they captured interactions between Gretchen and Heather on a flight, indicating underlying tensions.

Ronnie Caram [29:38]: "So this is evident. Gretchen and Heather didn't speak the whole flight... they're just, like, looking at their phones, probably texting."

They review video clips showcasing Heather's confrontational behavior, adding comedic interpretations of her gestures and attitudes.

Ronnie Caram [34:16]: "Let me read what the actual email said while you're all looking at this picture."

6. Vanderpump Rules: New Cast Revealed

The episode transitions to Vanderpump Rules, introducing the new cast members. The hosts humorously critique their appearances and potential fit within the show.

Ben Mandelker [51:38]: "She has long brown hair, but I don't see it. She's got the face we were talking about before, which is just so much injections and Botox."

They comment on the aesthetics and personalities of newcomers like Venus Demiana and Marcus Johnson, expressing both excitement and skepticism.

Ronnie Caram [53:07]: "She's already awkward... Once you see it, it'll all make sense."

7. Lisa Vanderpump's New Casino Partnership

Lisa Vanderpump announces her collaboration with Caesars to open the Vanderpump Casino in Las Vegas. The hosts mock the concept, envisioning an over-the-top establishment reflecting her flamboyant style.

Ben Mandelker [48:15]: "The tuna tartar slots... they're stuck inside of a cage... I'm not really sure about that."

Ronnie drives the humor further by imagining the casino's ambiance as a chaotic blend of Lisa's house aesthetics.

Ronnie Caram [48:26]: "It's like the tuna tartar slots... I hope the whole casino smells like animal shit. Like her house."

8. James Kennedy and the Tate Brothers Controversy

The hosts discuss James Kennedy's involvement with the Tate brothers, highlighting his public apology after being associated with individuals convicted of human trafficking. They criticize his attempts to distance himself from the controversy.

Ben Mandelker [49:10]: "Convicted of human trafficking. Disgusting pieces of shit let off by Trump."

Ronnie shares her disdain for James's repeated missteps and questions his credibility.

Ronnie Caram [50:19]: "James, come on. For those of you who don't know... he had to come out with a big, long apology after posting a picture with them."

9. Listener Interaction and Closing Remarks

As the episode nears its end, Ronnie addresses listener comments and questions, notably from Carrie about James and the Douche Brothers, reinforcing their stance against dubious Bravo personalities. The hosts wrap up with humorous skits and shout-outs to their listeners and sponsors, maintaining their signature comedic flair.

Ronnie Caram [60:30]: "Watch what crap. INS would like to thank its premium sponsors."

They conclude by encouraging listeners to join their community on platforms like YouTube and Patreon for more exclusive content.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ronnie Caram [03:26]: "They have a little cute raccoon as their mascot... they made so many announcements on that flight, it was nonsense."

• Ben Mandelker [06:26]: "How did you not know it was Sheena? I mean, wasn't every song just, like, one of every one of the prime cocktails."

• Ronnie Caram [10:44]: "Maybe you should rename his podcast from in the Mind of a Man to in the Nose of a Man."

• Ben Mandelker [48:15]: "The tuna tartar slots... they're stuck inside of a cage... I'm not really sure about that."

• Ronnie Caram [53:07]: "She's already awkward... Once you see it, it'll all make sense."

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Conclusion

Episode #2767 of Watch What Crappens offers a vibrant mix of humor, sharp commentary, and insider gossip from the Bravo universe. Ronnie Caram and Ben Mandelker excel in dissecting the latest happenings, providing listeners with both laughs and insightful critiques of their favorite (and not-so-favorite) reality TV personalities. Whether it's navigating airline antics, unraveling Bravo's tangled storylines, or poking fun at new cast members, this episode delivers an entertaining deep dive into the world of Bravo.

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[Ronnie Caram]

I am great, thanks. How are you doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Good. I'm freezing cold. But other than that I'm cold. I'm great. I don't even mind really being cold. I kind of like it and I'm getting used to it. We were in Toronto and Minneapolis and it was cold there, so I'm just going to get used to it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, we were in all the cold weather climates up to this very morning. And then we flew all the way in front to LA from Toront on an airline I had never even heard of called Porter Air, which was very nice. I liked it because it reminded me of Sutton's daughter named Porter. And they have a little cute raccoon as their mascot. They didn't have any running water in their bathroom to wash your hands after you peed, but that's okay, you know. And my, you know, there was water that dripped through the window onto me, which was alarming. But you know, it was actually quite comfortable and it was a fun experience. Did you notice though that they made so many announcements on that flight, it was nonsense.

[Ben Mandelker]

They wouldn't shut the fuck up. And because we were coming from Toronto, they have to do everything in English and then you hear it in French too, okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh my God, shut up.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they wake you up too. They put, they make you listen. And the lady made me take out my headphones to listen to her spiel about the seat belts and shit. I'm like, lady, I've heard the spiel. Okay, I get it, you need your attention. Here's your attention. Okay? You're doing a great job. Okay, I understand about seat belts. Now tell me in French.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh my God. I was trying to sleep. I have four hours of sleep and I'm sitting there on the plane trying to sleep and I was like, every 10 minutes is like, ladies and gentlemen, we will be coming down the aisle shortly to be telling you about coming down the aisle shortly. And it's like, ladies, madame. And you're like, okay. And you're like starting to doze off again. Ladies and gentlemen, we want you to know there will be WI fi. Like, okay, you pass out and you're like, ladies and gentlemen, the Wi Fi is not working. There'll be a reset in 20 minutes. It was, like, nonstop.

[Ben Mandelker]

We had to hear about that WI fi longer than the WI fi worked. The WI fi worked for 20 minutes out of five hours, and they talked about it for four fucking hours.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, my God. It was nonstop. And then at the gate, the gate was even worse because it was like every three seconds, every single gate, it was. They had full volume. It was like paging Clarice Johnson, John Paul Bier Larson, Claire Bachouli. And then it was like. It was like. It was like every single gate. It was like there was a gate that was down the hall and they had the volume for that gate over where we were gate A11 and we were A16. It was, like constant noise this entire time.

[Ben Mandelker]

But otherwise for sure. They got us today. That's for sure. But overall, super fun time. Good to be back and good to be talking crap about some Bravo headlines. Let's get into them, shall we? It was a pretty busy week on Bravo, you know, since our last. Since two weeks ago. I mean, for one thing, on a show that I've never watched or never given a shit about, Sheena was on it. So that was a big surprise. Everyone's like, oh, my God. Sheena turned out to be in the Masked Singer. And my only question is, how did you not know it was Sheena? I mean, wasn't every song just, like.

[Ronnie Caram]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

One of every one of the prime cocktails.

[Ronnie Caram]

Imagine if she was on just the masked waitress. You imagine you go to, sir, and like, someone in, like, a bee costume comes up, and you're like, who is that waitress? I swear I recognize their voice. Like, hi, it's Sheena. I'm your waitress. It's always Sheena.

[Ben Mandelker]

They might as well be masked as waitresses, sir, for. For the good they do.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sheena had a very, very big past two weeks since we last checked in because Sheena took a photo with Lady Gaga. It's the time of the year when all our Bravo liberties are taking photos with people. You know, last year we had Teresa with Taylor SW Swift. That was 2024. 2025 gave us James Kennedy with the Tate Brothers and Sheena with Lady Gaga. So Sheena then went on to Shenanigans. This isn't written down here on her sheet. I just don't remember this right now, Ronnie. But did you see she had a clip of her and she was on. I think it was Shenanigans or she was talking to our friend Kiki, and I forget who the other person was. I feel like we knew who they were, but I'm sorry. I just remember Kiki and Sheena was like, oh, my God. I had, like, the craziest day. Like, I went. I was like, but backstage and I saw Lady Gaga. I was like, after Saturday Night Live, and, like, I walked up to her and, like, all I wanted to do is just, like, say hi. I wasn't even going to take a photo at all. I will absolutely not going to take a photo. And then, then Lady Gaga was like, oh, my God, it's Sheena. And I was like, oh, my God. You're excited to see me. I'm excited to see you. Like, singer to singer, you know, I'm saying. And then people were taking photos. They're like, we have to airdrop this to you. And then she grabbed my arm and she, like, led me to the party. Was like, you guys. You guys all have to meet Sheena. It was, like, the best day of my life.

[Ben Mandelker]

A lot of people met Lady Gaga this week. I saw Lady Gaga all over the Instagram. Lady Gaga was like, you know what? I'm back. I'm just gonna go hug everybody on their Instagram this week. That's all I'm gonna do.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, you know, Sheena and Lady Gaga did both have cameo appearances on the same show, I believe, AKA the hills. So it all comes back together. Victoria in the chat says, I'm honestly so happy for Sinon. Honestly. Honestly, I am too. That's so cool. And I am jealous of everyone who got to meet Lady Gaga. We were not on her press tour.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I don't know who can watch the masked singer. I call that show the Earplugged Viewer, because it's like, who's wearing the earplugs? Me. It's me. Every week. Me. Bless her heart. So that was that. That. For those of you who missed it, Carl Radke is coming out with a biography. It's called Cake Eater. It's like, people wonder where the name Cake Eater came from. It's from people who grew up, you know, privileged people think I have so much privilege. You know, in Pittsburgh, my neighborhood in Pittsburgh, people would call the privileged kids who have everything cake eaters. Well, I'm not a cake eater, so I made a book called Cake Eater.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's about misconceptions about me. Carl Rodke. One misconception is that I don't like weight, but I'm being been put on me. But guess what? I want you to put your weight on me.

[Ben Mandelker]

The other misconception is that I like hard hugs. I do not like hard hugs. I like soft hugs.

[Ronnie Caram]

Soft hogs. Soft hogs. But I want them to be long, soft. Long, long, soft hogs. Ha.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's always fun. I'm glad Carl's dipping into the world of literature.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Good for him. We also mentioned on our live show that of course I'm getting a phone call. Stop that. Jax Taylor, Jack Taylor has a new podcast called in the Mind of a Man. Because his big confession since. Since we last checked in on. On Crappy Hour. Jax has a cocaine addiction. I know, I know. Everyone just. Just relax. It's shocking news. But he has a cocaine addiction. It's very difficult to hear and process.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, let's just hope it's not as strong as his addiction. To tell telling the truth. Yeah, he came out and you know, he did it in a good way because he really didn't try to profit off of it at all. Speaking of profiting off addiction, he was like, you know what? I have a coke addiction and a new podcast just going on tour. It's like, wow, way to sell it, you know, get it all out there at the same time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Maybe you should rename his podcast from in the Mind of a Man to in the Nose of a Man.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't think either one of his are working too well.

[Ronnie Caram]

So there's a lot of space. Yeah. So he's shocking the world. And then the other podcast that we mentioned, but you may have missed, is that Bran from Roni has a new podcast out called See below.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she made an Instagram with it and she just took wacky pictures of herself. It's like, oh, my God, please see below. And it's just a close up of her tongue coming out of her mouth like that. So that sounds terrifying. I'm sure it'll be full of lies, which is fine. Is fine by me. I love Scamanda. So that's coming out. But they're not the only ones. Have you read the onslaught that have been coming in ever since those two announced?

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, there's more than.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's more. There's even more.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's a lot. That's already an onslaught.

[Ben Mandelker]

There is one. I'm going to look it up right now too.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, I see one already.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gia Giudice is getting a podcast. It's called Casual Chaos. Gia Giudice.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I think. Casual. What a board. Chaos. That's the vibe that she doesn't even give off. Chaos. She just. She should just call her podcast Bored because that's how she always looks.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's gonna be all right, you guys. Today on my podcast, Teresa is really taking a lot of shit from Melissa, and I really don't approve of not being loved properly by my Uncle Joe, who I loved with all my heart.

[Ronnie Caram]

I can't. I really can't. We also have a new one coming out from that most magnetic personality on Bravo, Michelle Lolly. Also known as Michelle. I don't even know how to say her name because she dropped the lolly, so it's Michelle Sanai. Sanai.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

She puts the I insane. But then she has another I. It's S, A, N I, E, I. So double I. She has one. My name is Michelle.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's kind of a pod person, so I'm surprised she hasn't had a podcast yet. What are we talking about today?

[Ronnie Caram]

Today we are talking about Jesse. Her. Her podcast is aptly named the Pursuit of Sassiness. Has she begun the pursuit? How far is she on that journey?

[Ben Mandelker]

The pursuit of Sassiness. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Caram]

The pursuit of Sassiness. Just me, Michelle, your sassiest best friend from tv.

[Ben Mandelker]

The sassiest girl on tv.

[Ronnie Caram]

Me, Michelle. Michelle San in. AI. Talking about. I mean, by the way, our, like, I feel like our impersonation of her is that, like, she's kind of like AI generated, right? Her voice. So it's of course, like, her last name is so AI Generated sounding. Senny. Ay. Sanai. At least the way we pronounce it. She probably has a very normal last name sound. I'm probably being culturally insensitive also while I say this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think so. But I'm not. I'm not really sure what it is, so I can't even. I can't even argue it. And I can't argue for or against her. I can argue against this podcast. So there's another one. Are you ready for another one?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, this is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here you go. Now this is going to be the best one. And oddly enough, it's called Come Together, which I think is the most awkward title for a podcast from these two, because they literally want to make people think they're coming all the time with the people, with other people. It's the most exciting, let me tell you. They're really handing podcasts to very charismatic people. We've got Gia Giudice, we've got Michelle Lolly, and now we've got the hottest couple in town, Aaron and Gabe. Aaron and Abe. No, not Lachey. What's her last name? Leaky.

[Ronnie Caram]

I feel like we also.

[Ben Mandelker]

We did podcast episode of just how.

[Ronnie Caram]

To say her last name. Lychee. Litchy. Aaron. Litchie. Aaron is. Yeah, she's. She's got a pot. God, I can't wait to hear that. Hi, everyone. I'm Aaron. This is Abe the babe. Hi, Abe. Aaron. Call. Call. What was that video? Did you send it to me? Who sent me the video of her cooking recently where she was like. I think it was our friend. Our friend Amanda sent it. Who. It was like, who was Aaron making a sandwich, Like a grilled cheese sandwich with gouda or something. She's like, here's what I like to do. I take gouda and I put it on bread. And then I chose that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Aaron. First episode, conkling hogs. Second episode, bitcoin. Also, Aaron's been all over the news. She's been on, like, you know, news tickers or whatever, talking about how she's gonna overcome tariffs for Mezcal. We would do anything to bring mezcal to the United States.

[Ronnie Caram]

People haven't even tasted Mezcal in America, and now there's already a tariff on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So good luck to everybody. Not going to listen to any of you, but good luck. So they. Speaking of Aaron, Aaron has also been really trying to get Lindsay Hubbard on Real Housewives of New York City. She said in an interview, oh, my God, I would love to have Lindsay. I'm going to totally try to get her in there because, you know, I'm a producer of Real Housewives of New York as everyone, as the most fascinating cast member of a show that hasn't been working for the past two seasons, I'm going to pull my weight and try and get Lindsay Hubhouse on there. What do you think should be a good one?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't think Lindsay would fit in because Lindsay's entertaining. So I think that might be a. That's just not, like, the right culture for Roni. But that was. That was me being sarcastic. I know. I actually don't think that Lindsay would fit in because the thing is this, it's. I'm actually glad you brought this up because every show has, like, a different energy. And when people cross over, when people cross into Real Housewives or Real Housewives cross into, like, the youth, quote unquote, youth oriented shows, it feels weird. So, for instance, when Ashley was dating Luke, it, like, didn't even make sense because Ashley is, I think, like 36 or so. 36, 37. So she's actually younger than several cast members on Summer House or as A contemporary. But, like, Ashley partying in, like, the Summer House or Winter House is disorienting because she's a real housewife. And it doesn't feel like that should be bridged. And so it's a weird thing. And the reason why I brought this up is because Erin is a real housewife. I think Aaron is 36 or 37. And I was just thinking about it. Like, there are several people on these shows who are much older than Eren, and yet it's weird to think of that. Like, Shep is so much older than Aaron. Right. But Aaron's only 36. I don't know what I'm trying to get. This is the four hours of sleep speaking here. But the point is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm following. I mean, I'm listening to you.

[Ronnie Caram]

The point is that, like, it's weird to think about, like, the reason why I can't have Lindsay on the same show as Aaron is because Lindsay is from a Bravo Sphere where you're 36 or 37, and you still seem like, Like. Like. Like a kid. Like, it's like someone who's just, like, partying at 22, you know? So, like, if you put her on Roni, we suddenly have to face the fact that either Aaron is much younger than she. Her vibe is, or Lindsay is older than her vibe. And it, like, doesn't compute for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, actually, it computes perfectly for me. I think she's just with that show needs because I. You know what you're saying? I get, like, taking someone from one of the youth, but they're aged out of that show. And also, Real Housewives of New York is kind of like a youth. They're trying to make it, like, a more youthful version of Housewives. So I think Lindsay would fit. And also, she's an influencer now. I was gonna say trying to be, but she's an influencer now, so she would fit right in with those people. And she's also unhinged enough to make that interesting. Like, I'd love to see her go against. The comment you just put up is Lindsay Hubbard is Avery's grandmother.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm also really happy the comments are finally showing up on the bottom inst. Over our foreheads.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I like it, but, yeah, I think she'd be perfect for it. That show needs all the help it can get, and she needs to go away from Summer House. Like, Summer House. She's too good for.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's too good for Summer House now. She's like, top shelf Summer House. And Summer House is going lower and lower. So I say, get her off of there and take her to the Housewives of New York. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And she'll have a baby. It'll be sort of weird having a baby on Summer House. Speaking of the age thing, you know what I was thinking about? Did you know that Whitney from Southern Charm is older than Mauricio? Isn't that crazy?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's. Whitney's an elderly fellow.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's 56 years old, which places him. Like, I was trying to think he's older than Giselle. He's older than Mauricio. He's not older than pk. I obviously had some time to do some comparison. I was like, maybe there's someone fun I can find. Because, like, a big thing that I. That we once thought about was that Sheena is older than Aaron. And that's weird. Like, it's weird to think that Sheena is older than certain Real Housewives. Right? Like. Or like how Avril Lavigne is older than Lady Gaga. You know, it's like, weird, Weird conceptual things. So, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, some things I can understand being like, wow, Aaron. Because she. Look, you know, you don't know how old she is because she acts weird. I mean, I don't know. But Whitney. I mean, Whitney. I've never looked at Whitney and been like, wow, what a youthful chap. I wonder. I know, but, like, I don't. Like, if you thought me, Whitney was as old as, like, Gita Rivera, I'd be like, okay. Like, I would believe. I mean, I don't know.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's weird. No, it's weird that Whitney is. Is. It's like, he's old. Like, we. He's definitely old for Bravo. Quote, unquote. Bravo. But just, I think that being on, like, this show where everyone is still, like, just going out and partying, it still is weird to think that he is that, like, Mauricio. Like, Mauricio. Like, he is a. He is a senior to Mauricio.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's like a generation above Mauricio. Charlotte says Whitney looks older than Patricia. Agreed. You know, Patricia knows how to wand and do all that shit. You know, it's like Patricia told me the first time she met me, she said, you should do Botox. I said, I do Botox. And she says, you couldn't tell. It's like, okay, you know, so I'm surprised that Whitney has been able to age like that with a mother who's constantly like, have you tried a red light therapy? I mean, do something. Jesus, Christ Whitney, it's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappens commercial. Elevating my style used to mean breaking the bank, but with Quints I get high end versatile pieces at prices I can actually afford. Now I can upgrade my style by snagging killer luxury essentials that sync with my vibe and my wallet.

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[Ronnie Caram]

Well, here's another age thing to sort of blow your. Blow your mind. Okay, I'm going to verify it. So Erin Leechy is. She is 37 years old. Avery Singer is, I think Avery Singer says about 30 years old. That means that Avery Singer is six years, six or seven years younger than Aaron Litchi. That is wild.

[Ben Mandelker]

That is weird. But you know what? I don't really think about age because.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know why I'm obsessed, you know, that's why.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I've stopped thinking about age. I don't care about anybody's age anymore. And also with all the fillers and the Botox and stuff, you just can't tell because, because people like Lexi from Summer House, she's so young, but she gets all the, you know, the lip and the, and the tox and all that stuff. And so I don't know, if you told me she was 40, I'd believe it. And I don't mean that in a mean way. Like, she looks, she looks bad. She looks great. But everybody kind of gets that same, like, Plumpy, you know, look so that you can't tell how old I am. So listen, I've watched too much Housewives to start worrying about age. I'm not worrying about it now, that's for sure.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, this concludes Ben Mandelker's Ages Aren't they crazy segment for March 2025.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whose age difference is crazier years?

[Ronnie Caram]

Am I right, guys?

[Ben Mandelker]

So some other stuff going on. Is Tamara Judge posted? Let me open this link. Open link URL. Okay, no, I copied link URL. You know what? When am I going to learn how to use the Internet, guys? Anybody? Can anybody explain the Internet? So Tamara had another tantrum and she posted an Instagram. A tantrum, a possumtrum. And she posted an Instagram that was like, you know what? Fuck this reality stuff. When you got real life pain going on. Reality for the birds. I'm out. I'M out of here. I quit. And somebody wrote, oh, my God, Tamara, are you quitting OC and she said, yeah, I am. Fuck yeah, I am. And, of course, our speculation was she must have gotten into a fight with Gretchen, and Gretchen won the fight. And then Tamara ran away barefoot, screaming, you'll never see me again. Which is what she did when that swimsuit design lady came after her. And that is what happened. They were in New Orleans filming, and she got in a fight with Gretchen, and Gretchen won. And so Tamara ran away screaming and crying and quit. And I think she's already shooting the show again. I don't think she really quit. Tamara is quitting that show. She's got leaks to fix in her house. And Big Bear, not only is she.

[Ronnie Caram]

Not quitting, we don't. I actually don't want her to quit. She's a great villain, and she has a job to do. Like, OC Is white hot right now, and she cannot step away from it. And, you know, we're not the only ones who said that. Teddy told Tamara that because they did an episode of Two Te's in a Pod. Teddy came back. Teddy has had her surgery. They've still found more tumors. It's a very scary situation with what's going on with Teddy, but she's like, fuck it. I'm showing up to work. I'm not gonna let this get me down. And good for her. Good for Teddi. And Teddi was like, I showed up to work. Tamara, you need to get back to work. And I really applaud Teddi for scolding Tamara, because Teddi's dealing with a lot more shit than Tamra's dealing with. And Tamara's the one being like, oh, my God, there's real stuff going on. And Teddy's like, don't use me as a crutch for why you're quitting the show. Get back to work. And Tamara should get back to work.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And also, you know, Teddy, no matter what shape Teddy's in, Teddy's gonna be like, listen, girl. Real Housewives of Orange county is the reason our podcast is so big. One of us needs to be on tv, and we know it's not gonna be me. Get your ass back to work. Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

To it.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have a contract.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yup. Exactly. So it looks like she got back to work. So we don't know what happened on that New Orleans trip, but obviously, I mean, look, now we are way more interested than we ever thought we'd be in this New Orleans trip I mentioned. Oh, you Guys didn't hear it yet because I mentioned this on our Roni recap and we're not releasing that just yet. So one of our listeners was down in New Orleans and saw the cast in the airport flying back home and was on the flight with them. And we have intel. Intel, as our friends on Bitch Sesh would say, boots on the ground. So is everyone ready for an AV presentation? Because they sent us videos.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to see and pictures.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, first, let me share a picture. So present. Image file. Image file. Okay, so they took a picture walk. Okay, it's coming up. That's okay. This is a picture. So they said, gretchen and Heather on the plane looking very salty towards each other. Let's see. Let me read what the actual email said while you're all looking at this picture.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, why do you say they look salty at each other? They're just, like, looking at their phones, aren't they?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, no. She said. Said. She said Gretchen and Heather didn't speak the whole flight. And you two were the first people I thought to tell. So this is evident. This is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but how are you gonna speak when the person's sitting in front of you?

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm just reporting. But, yeah, it is funny, though. I love seeing this. This picture of Gretchen and Heather together, both looking down at their phones. Probably, like, texting people. Like, would you believe what Gretchen said today? And Gretchen saying, however, in text. Next. So that's them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone's asking if they're on Southwest. No, they're not on Southwest. By the way, Southwest is dead to me with their new rules. Listen, I put up with your A, B, and C group. I paid for the little early bird special to get on the plane. You're. You're testing me. Southwest, you're with me. I'm not. Porter Airlines have any rules? Are going to charge you for luggage, you said. I know it's not about Southwest, but just so just while I have the chance, you guys. Okay, okay. So anyway, they're not on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Converse to Porter Airlines. Okay. By the way, Porter Airlines was good. They just. Were they just toxic?

[Ben Mandelker]

They had a great bootable. Yeah. Porter Airlines had a good bootable. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, yeah, the raccoon. I love the raccoon. I don't know why they chose a raccoon as their mascot. Because I'm like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, the fuck, man.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, they had, like, a little raccoon. Did you see the raccoon?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I didn't even notice the raccoon. No, I never saw it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Raccoon was great. Raccoon was my favorite.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what's so weird is I didn't notice it was a raccoon. But I was watching the film Wild Robot on the plane, which was great. I cried. I laughed, then I cried some more, then I laughed some more, then I cried some more. Then I was like, this isn't realistic. So that was great. And there was a raccoon in it. Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

What a wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

So southwest is the point. They are on Delta. But I know why Heather's pissed. Because these aren't like real first class seats. These are those ones where you pay for first class, but they're just, like, slightly bigger and you don't get shit. Yeah, the.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, where is my pod? She's like, the fact that I have to sit with another person adjacent to me. I will adjudicate the adjacency. So, actually, if you're wondering what Heather's mood was, it's hard to know. But we also have video. So here comes the video. Everyone, let me remove the photo. We have two videos. The videos, you can't hear anything, but you see Heather talking, and she's so Heather. So please enjoy. Here's the first video. I muted it because you don't need to hear the sound of ambient airport noise. So here we go. And we'll try to figure out what she's saying. Okay, can you see it? Here she is. She's talking. And I said very clearly, I do not want a hurricane. I do not drink hurricanes. And you know what they said to me? They said, you will have the hurricane. And I said, well, I'm not going to have that. I didn't sign up to have the hurricane. And I'm not going to have a hurricane. They're disgusting drinks. They said, oh, you're going to have the hurricane? Well, I think it's my turn.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was perfect. It was actually the perfect amount of time, too, for that clip.

[Ronnie Caram]

I really went someplace. I was. I don't know, I was not doing crappy hour. In that moment, that moment, I actually channeled Heather. Okay, here comes the other video. If you ever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Same thing, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no. Now she's pointing more. See, Look. Come over here. Stand over here. I'm gonna rewind it. I just love that she made her stand. I'm turning this one over because I missed the first part. Okay, whoever you are, you cannot have an autograph. And if you want an autograph, let me tell you something. Wendy Malik doesn't even give those out. So you should be so lucky to talk to me. Get over here. Okay, let me tell you something. I give autographs, but not in an airport. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Airport. No autograph. Street. Yes, autograph. Are you talking to me? I'm not listening to you. You are.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't even know what I had to deal with in New Orleans. I said, why are we starting this here? These are picnic tables. This isn't a classy restaurant. Why are we eating something called beignets? These are Ben boos. These are Ben Boos. And I love that she's being so actor and she keeps drawing the person back in. I think she's trying. It looks like she's practicing a fight that she's gonna have, doesn't it?

[Ronnie Caram]

I love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, unless in Tamra, you don't run away. You. You stay. You deal with the problem.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know what I love? You know what hand movement of hers I love? I love when she does a series of points, and then she does that weird kind of like slow motion backhand where she sort of moves her hand as a full paddle slowly back and then sort of does a wave with it. Watch. Here she is. Point, point, point, point, point, point, point, pull, wave. Backhand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Playing it. Bring it home. Bring it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Elbow point. Now ignore what the poor person says. Just stare at them. And now the poor person's trying to do a crab. She's trying to do claw handed. She's like, okay, let me see your claw hand. All right, I will let you do claw hand to me, and I will tell you if you can do it properly. Go. This is your cue. This is when you do the claw hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now do it now. No, no, that's not right. What are you shaking your fist at me? What, are you at a protest? What, are you gonna burn your bra? This is not a claw hand.

[Ronnie Caram]

I could narrate this for two hours.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just so Heather standing in the middle of the airport, making a huge scene.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just the pointing and the hand.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I just love when people are trying to pass. That is funny. She pulls her out of the way. There's a man with a mop. Please do not stop him. All right?

[Ronnie Caram]

I said, okay, stand over here, closer to the rich person. Okay, now slow backhand. Because, you know in that moment when she does that backhand, you know, she's making fun, like, oh, you're so smart, Gretchen. Oh, so Gretchen. So she tells me, she pulls me and she says, you, you. You stand right over here. And I said, oh, you're so Clever with your stage directions. Well, guess what? I put in the time to work with Mendy Malik and you didn't. And I had to go through that. So I don't want to hear it from you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that people are so used to being filmed in public that even the guy who's pushing the cleaning cart is aware that he's being filmed. Watch him pass and look straight into the camera. Like, really? He's.

[Ronnie Caram]

By the way, could there be a better visual?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, guys, this shit's good, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, look at him.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, let him look at the camera.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's doing her. She's doing her little elbow thing. Kara in the comments says we are getting a bonus. Bonus airport snap. Yeah, we're doing someone else's airport snap. I mean, I could sit here and just. God, I really.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heather, man.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, Heather. All right, great work, great work.

[Ben Mandelker]

What else do we have? Okay, so some of the other big news was that Tracy Tudor from Million Dollar Listing LA went on to. What'd she go on first? Jeff. I guess she went on Jeff first.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think she went.

[Ben Mandelker]

She went on World Happens too, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Where else can she go on to those two? That's not. I was like, I don't know what. I don't know what. I don't know. Like, it's not like she's going on extra or anything like that. It's. No, she was on my line with Jed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like. Like, yeah, she was probably on Jeff and then. Was she. Because she wasn't on Watch what happens live anytime recently, was she?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I get it all confused in my head. So many things I don't watch. She's been on. Just kidding everybody. Okay, so she went on Jeff and you know Jeff, Messy ass Jeff. He knows how to generate those headlines. Yeah, he is really good at getting himself in the middle of the conversation. You got. I mean, hand the guy credit.

[Ronnie Caram]

He has a skill.

[Ben Mandelker]

He does so. And it's mess. His skill is mess. Pure mess. So she went on there and she was talking about what a phony Dorit is. And basically, Dorit is not paying her bills. Well, anybody who's been reading the real hard news of the day knows the Dorit, Dorit and PK don't pay their bills. They don't have any money. Why is anybody working for these people? They're not gonna fucking pay you. Okay, so she claims a member of Dorit's Dorit's Glam squad was paid after she called her out for stiffing them on an episode of Jeff Lewis's messy ass show called Mess Mess with Jeff Mess Lewis, after seeing the 48 year old star had appeared on Watch what Happens Live where she slammed Tracy's claims as attention seeking and accused hairstylist Chris Dillon of overcharging her. Oh, girl, you're learning from the Erica playbook here. That's what Erica did. She's like, oh, they wanted to be paid. Well, they were trying to overcharge me, so I called the feds on them and had him thrown in prison.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I think, I think he was just charging. I think he was like, hey, I cut your hair. I did your hair. I went to New York. I was there for three days. You're supposed to pay for my hotel and you haven't paid. You haven't paid me anything. That's not overcharging, that's charging. You have to pay people for their services.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And then she accused him of basically using her credit card and all this shit she's accusing him of really shady shit. So, you know, he came out and said, she's a liar. And then she's. Tracy tweeted or Instagrammed, I don't know. Guess who got his wire transferred today, though? Tracy wrote in a comment to Eclipse shared of the Watch what happens live episode. After Tracy spoke out, a number of other commenters reacted to the situation and some targeted the realtor who's stalking who on Instagram.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now.

[Ben Mandelker]

One person asked and Dorit replied, exactly, Exactly. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now let's, let's not forget, I mean, the tier of the makeup artists and the hairstylists that sort of circulate around all the Bravo liberties. They are messy as hell. They are so messy they deserve to be paid for their work. But they are messy. Messy, messy, messy. But this is a funny kind of mess because I like that this guy was like, you know what? I'm not getting paid. So you know who's going to do my. You know who I'm going to take it to? I'm taking it to Tracy Tudor. She'll get the word out about me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, and then Dorit wrote, well, apparently, funny, funny that apparently she's been trying for years and kept getting turned down to get on Real Housewives of Beverly hooves. Well, maybe this was a last ditched attempt.

[Ronnie Caram]

I, you know, I would believe that. But I also think it's so funny when, when people are on the Housewives, they become, they are, they're like the mean Girls of like, Bravo. Like, they're like, you can't sit with us. You tried to get onto our show. Good luck. And they're always doing that. And the next thing you know, they're fired and dropped, and then they have to sit there knowing that they acted like that. And now they're on the other side of it. Just wait. Just wait.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, just. Just you wait. Henry Higgins. So a commenter said. Tracy Tudor, who even are you? You look like you're trying to look like Doritos. You wish. How much jealousy do you carry within yourself to kick a woman when she's down? You know, I hate that. Kick a woman or kick somebody when they're down. That's how you play soccer. Nobody yells at those people. That's what you do. There's something on the ground, you kick it. It's like, when you see litter, what are you gonna do? Pick it up? No, you could hurt your back. Kick it. Okay, this is bruvo.

[Ronnie Caram]

Listen, this is a sport. Listen, they have a point, okay? Doritos. This is someone who lost $60,000 in a big lots, okay? It's a tough time for her. You don't kick a woman down after. She's. After. She brought $60,000 of cash into a big lot and got it stolen right out of her cart while she was browsing the impulse buys. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was robbed. Robbed of $10,000 straight out of my Target shopping cart. My home goods shopping. My By. By, you know, Joanne fabric shopping cart. Where was I? It was $10,000. I was stoked.

[Ronnie Caram]

Rip. Oh, all right. Rip to Joanne. Joanne's Fabrics, of course. So the other.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, sorry, you're surprised.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I was going to make a really. Just stupid comment, and I'm just.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to hear it. I love stupid comments.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was just going to say I'm surprised. We. I feel like Bravo is the sort of place that, like, we would have met. Like, the. We would have met Joanne from Joanne's Fabrics. Like, we would have met the person who's like. So my claim to fame is that my dad started Joanne's Fabrics, you know, but.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I heard a little rumor that somebody's dad's star is going out of business. How about that, Bill?

[Ronnie Caram]

Forever 21 is also also filed for bankruptcy, I think today or recently. So so much for the wardrobe for many of these shows.

[Ben Mandelker]

Forever not 21 anymore is what I've always called this store. So reality blurb is giving us a lot today because we've already read from them. Oh, by the way, we were just reading from reality blurb, so thanks to reality blurb. But also, guess what? More stories, because it's Dorit, and they really do not like dorit. So people were accusing Dorit and PK of just faking this divorce storyline because it really doesn't seem to be happening. And then they're seen together all the time looking happy. And Dorit, you know, it's rumored that dorit was going to be fired. Well, literally every year that Dorit's been on, it's been rumored that she's getting fired because Dorit really doesn't do a lot. She does a lot for us. Like, we enjoy making fun of Dorit a lot, but she doesn't do much on the show. So every year it's rumored she's going to get fired. And so every time any storyline happens with dorit, she's accused of falsifying the storyline, like the robbery, this is the multiple robberies, stuff like that. That. So now they're being accused of faking this divorce. So now they're really upping their game because PK was spotted in New York when dorit was doing watch what happens live. So people are like, oh, my God, he's there supporting tarit. So they're faking it. So PK sparked rumors of a new romance during a recent visit to New York city. Am I right, babe? As his estranged wife Dorit was also in the big apple for watch what happens, PK stepped out with the mystery brunette at what appeared to be a nightclub.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, and there is video from TikTok, which I'm going to show. It's gonna be kind of janky because it's embedded within the reality blurb website, but I'm gonna show it to you because I do not believe that PK and this woman are an item because you see them and you see she's doing that, that, like, that kind of like looking around the room slow, kind of like little dance thing that you do when someone's trying to talk to you and you're pretending like you kind of even see them. Like, sorry, I'm dancing. I, I, I don't see people around me. And she's doing it so clearly to avoid him. And also, by the way, keep an eye out for her. But as an extra bonus, this is sort of like follows up, like, this is like a complimentary thing that complements what you pointed out with the Heather Debo video, how that guy with the dumpster who went by Heather Debro looks at the camera. In this case, we have another guy who goes by the camera, and he gives this look. He gives such a cartoony look. He goes. He has a look on his face that's like, why I wanna. It's a real special treat. So here we go.

[Ben Mandelker]

Show me, show me. I need to see it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, ready?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, here we are. Some ticky talky.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's make it big. Let's make it real big.

[Ben Mandelker]

Large. Make it full screen, babe.

[Ronnie Caram]

Can you see it, babe?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. A lot of old guys in this nightclub. What is this?

[Ronnie Caram]

A lot of old guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's that place that we used to go to in New York on Real Housewives of New York? This is the new boutique. Oh, my God. PK's dancing really well. He looks great.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's Diddy. I don't. This is. It moved. Moved on. Okay, wait.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's see. PK sure looks different here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, I'm gonna show you again. I'm gonna try to go size. Okay. This is just a child.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like some little kid in a baseball play.

[Ronnie Caram]

It went to a child. Okay. It said, I hate. Okay, here we go. So, okay, for. Oh, every time you pause it, open that child up. It puts that child up. Okay. So there she is, and there's the guy who's really upset. I'm gonna hit the loop. She's just dancing. She's just trying to avoid him. You see, that's the whole video. That's the whole video.

[Ben Mandelker]

When you watching pk, it's some old guy talking to some women. Like, what? What is.

[Ronnie Caram]

So watch the guy turn around with a scowl. Did you see the guys turn around with a scowl? That's kind of the best part. Part? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, that guy's not used to getting turned down. Please. It's not your first time at this guy. Look at him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Doesn't have good controls. It's not good to. The point is that this is not. This is not an affair. If you ask me. This is a person who got cornered by PK and wants him to go away.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting to. What is this nightclub? I need to know what this nightclub is, because it's scaring me. Look at those. Look at the design. Look at the things in the ceiling that look like lampshades from the 70s that are coming down to suck your brains out.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's. And there's. And. And by the way, this entire thing is happening. Like, PK has cornered her right by the bathrooms, too. You see the little bathroom sign? She's like, I just want to go to the bathroom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Would you like a lollipop? I take dollars. Take dollars. One of the only people still taking cash here, babe.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is a terrible video. Was this the Planet Hollywood opening? You know, Planet Hollywood just reopened. And the reason why I asked that is because the guy who's scowling is wearing a Planet Hollywood T shirt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did they just need another chance to suck? Who needed a revamp of Planet Hollywood? That place sucked.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, I loved it when I was in 9th grade. But also, if the revamp includes PK at the opening, I don't know, it's fun. It's really stretching the idea of Hollywood.

[Ben Mandelker]

We've fallen very, very hard. Okay, so in other news, VPR starts shooting reboot soon, and some of this cast has been spotted. So I figured we can go through this and look at some of the new cast. You wanna?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, yeah, I'm coming right over. Some of the new casts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so while you're pulling that up. Also in other Vanderpump news, Lisa Vanderpump continues to win. She was just given her own casino in Vegas. She's partnering with Caesars to open the Vanderpump Casino. Darling Swinging chandeliers. Nicolay Nickel machines. Nicola Lane as we'll call them.

[Ronnie Caram]

An entire casino dedicated to Lisa Vanderpump. I am scared. It's like the tuna tartar slots.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like slot machines, but they're stuck inside of a cage. Inside of another cage, inside of another cage with a light and a crystal coming out of it. I'm not really sure about that, but I hope the whole casino smells like animal shit. Like her house. Yeah, and there's like, little tiny gnats flying everywhere because of all the animal poop.

[Ronnie Caram]

Real quickly, Carrie in the comments, asks, are we going to talk about James and the Douche brothers? We talked about it a little bit at one of our live shows over the weekend. And all that we need to know is that James pretending like he had no idea who the Tate brothers are. I know who the Tate brothers are, okay? I am not part of the manosphere, and I am also not into human trafficking. But we know who these people are, and James cannot act like he doesn't know. James, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

For those of you who don't know, convicted of human trafficking. Disgusting pieces of shit let off by Trump. For what reason? Nobody knows because they like him. And unleashed back into the world. And they were at. I don't know if it was a gig that DJ James Kennedy was playing at or whatever, but he was there and then he had to come out with a big, long apology after posting a picture with them saying, oh, I didn't even know these guys, you know, I mean, I didn't know who they were. I just. I just. They said they had heard of my. Of my music. So we took a picture and they were. They posted the next day. This guy followed us for an hour and begged us for a picture until we gave it to him. So off James, you know, still. Still the same old off from James. You're under fire for abuse allegations with your girlfriend. You get dumped, and then you take a picture with you and brothers. How many chances does James get? Honestly?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's over. It's done. It's done. I don't think you come back from that. Well, you do. Just like, not on websites that I'm going to anytime soon. So anyway, many like the super right wing.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're certainly not coming back to Mother Jones, I'll tell you that. Good luck ever getting another cover story on Salon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Exactly. Okay, let's look at the new cast and of. I'm gonna say the casting crew. We don't have to look at the crew. I mean, we like the crew, but look at the cast of Vanderp Rules. So we have. This is from the US sun and Vanderpump Rules is new cast revealed. So we have. There's a group photo of a bunch of people in front of the sur sign. In fact, I see the person all the way in the back. He was, or they were the host at Schwartz and Sandy's. And it looks like they're back now in the sir. They've moved over into sir world, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And they're real sweet. I met them at Schwartz and Sandy's when I went there. So the first person we're getting is Demiana Damiana, I think. I don't know. But I'm assuming Damiana, who has a resemblance to Shina Shea, poses in her Surya. This girl does not have a resemblance to Shina Shay. She's got long brown hair, but, yeah, otherwise I don't. I don't see it. She does, however, have the face we were talking about before, which is just so much injections and Botox, it looks like. How old is this girl? Is she 20 or is she 50?

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I literally know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is this Jamie Presley? Is this just like AI? I can't tell.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't tell either. But I'm gonna love her, I can tell you that much. Then we see a clip, a picture. Oh, should we be Putting this on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah, let me get to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Screen.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm doing a lot of AV today. I'm like. One moment, sir. Oh, yeah, There you have it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, that's her. Okay, flip over to the next.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, scrolling down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, no. Just go. Go up to her and click the little picture icon down at the bottom that says 11 and it'll show you all the pictures.

[Ronnie Caram]

I didn't even see that icon. Okay, we are opening up. Okay, ready?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Here goes the next one. It's her again. Okay, we have. Okay, Demi. She needs to. Okay. She's. I think she put in contacts to make her eyes light. Like she's given, like, white walker a little bit, you know, like those eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I like that. I like that she could be, like, dead. You know, I'm into. You got to keep up with the modern times, you know, make it scary. Just have. Have our first dead person. Don't just make her dead in the eyes. Get a literal dead person to be the new hot matrix.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's. Now we have four people here, and it says Vanderpump rules future stars, including Venus Demiana, who we just looked at, and Marcus Johnson. But there's four people here, so. Okay, Venus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's why. This is what I'm calling. No, Venus is not the girl. It's the dude. It's the dude in the sir cat is named Venus. I learned because I looked through these pictures already. So that's the guy. He's, like, hot, I guess. And then the girl to his left is going to be the new Kristen. I guarantee it. Because she was already left out of the picture.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's already awkward. Awkward. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

This is. I know you haven't seen anora yet, but this is giving me big time anora vibes. Once you see it, it'll all make sense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, ready? So let's skip to the next picture. This again. She looks. She's in every picture.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's. Ha. This is an incredibly stupid picture. She's like, guys, I want to go to the beach, but I want to bring sunflowers.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going to sunflowers.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys. Guys, I want sunflowers near me, but I want a big red flower away from me. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I only want to eat out of ceramic bowls behind her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, should I show my shoulders for this? Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna lower my sleeves so you can see my shoulders more. Okay. For the sunflowers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. And don't worry, there's also something for us. Ben, go to the next picture.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yay, Marcus Johnson. Okay, fan favorite.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello, yes, Marcus Johnson. Hottie posing by the pool. We don't really see his face because he's looking up to the sun because he's so young that he's like, give me that vitamin D right into my face. Whereas, you know, the modern cast would be like, son, I'm not going into the sun, son. Terrified as you fucking should be of the sun, okay?

[Ronnie Caram]

And also, I'm excited for him because I hope that someone holds up a poster of Jax Taylor in the year 2025 and be like, this is your future. Just remember that, okay? Before you get too excited about this body of yours, this is Jack Taylor. Now we have Natalie McGuire shares a snap in the itty bitty sir uniforms. So this is. I would not think that she's a Natalie McGuire that I feel like McGuire is a chosen stage name.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Lisa Vanderpump. I know she likes her skimpy outfits, but this is not even creative. I like when they had to go to, like, the. They didn't have TEMU then, but what did they have? It was some other discount, like Chinatown or whatever, where they were. The Fashion district downtown, wherever they. Santee Alley or. They went down their dresses before, but these are just black T shirts on some, you know, some bad cotton short shorts. I don't get it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And. Yeah, but I guess that she has to go for something simple because everything else in this picture is so cluttered and deranged. I mean, you've got, like, more cages in the background, chandeliers hanging off of cages and wrought iron and disco balls and little divots on every single surface. It's too much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. They're revamping the cast. They need to revamp this restaurant. I don't think this restaurant has had a deep clean since it's opened. It looks dirty.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. We need to go for a stylistic change here. This is. I can't. Also, why do we have this, like, it's. What. What do you call that shade of pink? Like, pink velvet there? That's like a. It's kind of like a boudoir pink, but then you have this random green velvet that's the color of my hoodie from today. Why. Why do we have these color combinations?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you have to remember, this place has never had the. This place only has the lights on, you know, while people are working in the day, when it's nighttime, it's all those, like, Lisa Vanderpump or now Tom Sandoval Philips hue lights. So it doesn't really look like that. Okay, so next we see her doing an homage to the. We see this Natalie Maguire doing an homage to the originals and the original dresses.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. It's classic.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, let's skip her. And then we. Venus.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow. I already don't like him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Douche.

[Ronnie Caram]

Total douche can be a problem. He's gonna be a real problem.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait until you see the next picture of Venus. Flip over to the next glasses. How is this the same person?

[Ronnie Caram]

What? Venus.

[Ben Mandelker]

How is this the same? I don't get that this is the same person. Do you think it is?

[Ronnie Caram]

I see how it's the same, but Venus is. Wow. Venus is tricky. Venus is giving us different looks, so now come up with an entirely new perception of who Venus is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's giving us, like, douche bro in one, and then in the next, he's giving us, like, non binary ethereal diva bitch, which I'm hoping is a version that we're gonna get on the show, because I would not fuck with this bitch. That's for sure. He's like, I'm wearing turquoise, which says peace, but I'm wearing hair and lips that says C word.

[Ronnie Caram]

My necklace says Luann De Lesseps, but my hair says Amanda Pete. So then I'm. I think we're gonna get a not. I think we're. I think Venus is gonna give us non binary chic because in the next shot, we have the whole group Peter has photobombed. They're like, ew. Who's the old gross old guy who's photobomb this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Peter. Peter's done interviews where he's like, of course I'm coming back to vpr. Did you think I would ever leave?

[Ronnie Caram]

Ever leave? Ever leave?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, Peter, I didn't think you would ever leave. Peter probably is the first dead cast member. He's just a ghost. He's just the ghost butler of Vanderpump rules.

[Ronnie Caram]

Venus is front and center. And what's funny about Venus? This is so Vanderpump rules. Venus has this whole look. Venus has like. Like this, like, a suit. A gold sequined, glittery suit. Venus is going for a look, but is also like. But I'm gonna get my. I'm gonna get my credit for my steps because I'm gonna still wear my big ass Apple watch. Does not go with my outfit. But I am not gonna be told that I did not stand up today.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I just say right now, before we take another picture, this is a loud environment, man. I just got a notification, everybody.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys. My heart Rate is up a little bit. I also love those. So what's going on? So the person, the two women to the, to the, I guess to the left of Venus from our angle we have this one, this sort of like vaguely Tori Kelly ish woman who's crouching on the ground who is doing a full on sitcom pose. She's like. And featuring Miranda, she's in a different show right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like she actually works. She just has a face of a genuine server who's like, I'm just here to please you. I actually work. Nobody else I don't think works. I don't think anybody else does.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then the girl right above her, that's like her friend from out of town who asked to be in the photo.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, no one's taught that girl makeup yet. She's not from here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like, is your friend still photobombing our photo? Come on. She's just in. She's really excited. She just wants me to photo with everyone.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I mean, look, we know nothing about these people. But just from the pictures, I'm excited.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I'm down. I'm ready to accept them. Oh, here's the classic cast. No, no, go away. They're done.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're old news. They're done. They're finished. Speaking of being finished, so are we. We're gonna move over to the audience this hangout portion of this show on YouTube and Patreon. So those of you on Instagram and listening on audio, thanks so much for being with us. We will talk to you next time. Have a good one. Love ya. Bye bye.

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