#2772 Southern Charm S10E15: Soirée For Your Loss - Live in Charlotte

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens – Episode #2772 "Southern Charm S10E15: Soirée For Your Loss - Live in Charlotte"

Host Information

• Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
• Podcast: Watch What Crappens
• Network: Wondery
• Release Date: March 23, 2025

Overview In episode #2772 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the season finale of "Southern Charm" Season 10 Episode 15, titled "Soirée For Your Loss," recorded live in Charlotte. The episode is a blend of comedic commentary, parody reenactments, and satirical insights into the dramatic events of the reality TV show. Ben and Ronnie navigate through the tumultuous relationships, confrontations, and over-the-top scenarios that characterize "Southern Charm," all while injecting their signature humor and mockery.

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1. Live Event in Charlotte

The episode kicks off with Ben and Ronnie attending a live event coinciding with a cheerleading conference in Charlotte. Their presence overlaps with the chaotic energy typical of reality TV settings.

• Ben Mandelker (02:44): "So good to see you, Charlotte, you gorgeous people."

This opening sets the stage for an evening filled with unexpected interactions and humorous observations.

2. Encounter with Cheerleading and Countess Luann

Ben and Ronnie interact with cheerleaders and Countess Luann De Lesseps, intertwining the worlds of "Southern Charm" and "Real Housewives."

• Ronnie Karam (05:31): "I'm just laughing at the idea of Countess Luann being here at the same time as a cheerleading competition…"

This blending of different reality TV personas highlights the hosts' knack for cross-show satire.

3. Recap of Southern Charm Season Finale

a. Key Events and Storylines

The hosts provide a detailed, albeit exaggerated, recap of the season finale, highlighting major plot points such as JT's accident, relationship dramas, and pivotal confrontations.

• Ben Mandelker (10:38): "Previously on this season of Southern Charm. JT had an accident on his hummer Hot Wheels."

This segment parodies typical reality TV recaps, emphasizing the melodrama and scripted tension.

b. Character Dynamics and Conflicts

Ben and Ronnie dissect the relationships between characters, focusing on the love triangles, betrayals, and emotional breakdowns that fuel the show's drama.

• Ronnie Karam (12:22): "Meanwhile, two homogenous white girls hired for the men on this show to emotionally abuse before they get fired without cause."

Their commentary underscores the often superficial and contrived nature of reality TV conflicts.

c. Climactic Confrontations

The hosts reenact the intense confrontations between Vanita and JT, encapsulating the peak of the season's drama.

• Ben Mandelker (16:35): "So Vanita's like, listen, what happens in this group is that there's a group of people that say things, and people pile onto it."
• Ronnie Karam (18:27): "So she's like, well, I'm still JT Team JT."

These exchanges highlight the exaggerated emotions and misunderstandings that drive the show's narrative.

4. Notable Quotes with Timestamps

Ben and Ronnie sprinkle the episode with memorable quotes that capture the essence of "Southern Charm's" drama:

• Ben Mandelker (05:59): "It's a long word. Just fuck me. Just fuck me right here."
• Ronnie Karam (17:02): "I think she's coming for your relationship with the girl from Charlotte."
• Ben Mandelker (38:16): "Always kick."
• Ronnie Karam (54:33): "Wow, those are mother."
• Ben Mandelker (65:07): "Shall we have a nibble?"

These quotes emphasize the hosts' humorous take on the over-the-top dialogues often found in reality TV.

5. Humorous Insights and Parodies

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie employ parody and satire to critique the unrealistic and often petty nature of reality TV dramas.

• Ben Mandelker (45:15): "Even though they're never gonna get her on a ride at Disneyland because he can't even ride the fucking tik. I mean, he's a short person."
• Ronnie Karam (61:15): "What are you doing in here, Hans? What are you doing?"

Their exaggerated reenactments serve as a humorous critique of the show's scripted conflicts and unlikely scenarios.

6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the season finale wraps up, Ben and Ronnie summarize the tangled relationships and unresolved tensions, delivering a comedic yet insightful critique of "Southern Charm."

• Ronnie Karam (75:14): "When Scandival happened, I was like, oh, my God. When this happened, I was like, it's just funny because it was there all along."
• Ben Mandelker (79:01): "It's just really weird to mourn someone who's still alive."

Their final remarks encapsulate the absurdity and entertainment value of reality TV, leaving listeners both amused and contemplative.

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Key Takeaways:

• Satirical Commentary: The episode masterfully blends humor with critique, highlighting the exaggerated drama of reality TV.
• Engaging Reenactments: Ben and Ronnie's playful reenactments provide a fresh and entertaining perspective on "Southern Charm."
• Notable Quotes: Memorable lines punctuate the episode, emphasizing the hosts' comedic prowess.
• Structured Insight: Clear sections guide listeners through the finale's key moments, ensuring a comprehensive understanding even for those unfamiliar with the show.

Conclusion Episode #2772 of "Watch What Crappens" offers a rich, engaging, and humorous deep dive into the "Southern Charm" season finale. Through sharp satire, memorable quotes, and structured insights, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a summary that is both entertaining and enlightening, capturing the essence of reality TV's most dramatic moments.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

So good to see you, Charlotte, you gorgeous people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, Good to see.

[Ben Mandelker]

See you guys. We're here at the same time as a cheerleading conference.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Fitting. It was a glam off at the Starbucks. Guess who won? I was like, get out of here, you nine year old little bee. This is my town.

[Ronnie Karam]

So where are the three ladies who I ran into at the hotel? There you are. Hi. I was informed today by these three lovely ladies, which I did not realize, and you just echoed right here, that tonight we are competing head to head, March Madness style against Countess Luann De Lesseps here in Charlotte. So thank you. We love Countess Luann, but thank you for. We know you have a lot of choices and you chose to be with us tonight.

[Ben Mandelker]

We won. We won that one. I have to apologize to whoever's getting my ass cracked. There's people on the sides today. I'm a very short waisted person and I should know better than to wear a goddamn button down to a shirt. Did you see me come out? I was waving like. So it's like the butt crack is fully out. So we're here at the same time as this cheerleading competition. I was at the Starbucks. And I'm learning that coming to nice cities is turning me into a nicer person because we were in Canada last week. I mean, that's pretty nice. You know, we've been to Minnesota. They're pretty. You guys are lovely. And I was in the line and I did the pre order thing, you know, and it's like five to seven minutes. So I want it seven minutes and 30 because I just want to go in there, I want to get my fucking drink, you know what I mean?

[Ronnie Karam]

Love the precision.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I go in and this nine year old cheerleader is there with her dad. And the dad's like, hey, what do you do?

[Ronnie Karam]

Where are you from?

[Ben Mandelker]

Talking to the lady making the Starbucks and she's so nice. She wasn't making my drink, she was holding my cup. She's talking to this fucking dad, okay? So I'm stewing, you know, and the girl. You've seen the cheerleading girls, right? My niece was a cheerleader Cadence, so I know the drill. But it's like toddlers and tiaras on crack times 10. I mean, it's terrible. Like makeup. The makeup, the eyelashes, the hair, you know, the glass, the diamond backpack.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's literally Real Housewives of any city.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is. It is a tiny little terrorist in training, you know. And so the guy was like, yeah, you know we're here for a cheerleading conference. Yeah, no shit, dude. I just wanted to say, really, because I thought RuPaul was, like, starting a child version in your city, but instead I said, that's so great. You look beautiful. So I think it's rubbing off on me.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just. I'm just laughing at the idea of Countess Luann being here at the same time as a cheerleading competition and her being simultaneously triggered by all the youth on display, but also horny by all the dads. Like, hey, give me a V. V. Give me an a a. Give me a G. What's that speaker bell? It's down there, boys.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a long word. Just fuck me. Just fuck me right here.

[Ronnie Karam]

She just comes out drunk on stage while they're doing their formations. Like, all right, you little girls. Let me show you how it's done. F is for the way you'll fuck me tonight. Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was just asking Ben, in the airport, is human trafficking, like, ever? Like, what is it in airports that, like, human. Every airport we've been to is like, watch out. Human trafficking. It's like, don't get trafficked. Don't drop your bag or you'll be trafficked. And I was like, what is going on? Is human trafficking, like, that huge in airports now? Like in Charlotte? Like, is that a thing? But then I saw all these little girls, and Luann's in the same town, you know? You know, Luann is picking out those little girls and just taking those stem cells.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like the substance. She's like, I've come for the substance. It's the origin story of that movie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Watch out for human trafficking, darling.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just Blue Ann's Picture Cabaret Traffic, more like it. Yeah. By the way, another thing that's funny just being here, I remembered something very, very important, which is that the last time that we were here, this was the first live show that we did since Scandal. You guys, who was here that day, like, the most when we did this was the first place we came to after Scandal broke. And so it was like we all had this pent up. It was like a big town hall meeting. We were like, harry, we're passing along.

[Ben Mandelker]

When I just called these people nice. Now I remember. You are not nice people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was murderous. I've never seen so much murder in people's eyes. They're like, get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kill him. Kill it. It was great. I'll always remember that night. But anyway, that was so good.

[Ben Mandelker]

The rest of that tour, we just did Scandal everywhere. Like, by the end, all we had left was a Secrets Revealed episode. And we were like, let's do it. We're like. And then Kristen went to the bathroom. You know, we were. We were recapping some really intense scenes from those Secrets movie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, I mean, Kristen going to the bathroom is pretty intense. Oh, seriously, a lot of. A lot of work to get on that toilet.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you tinkle when you sprinkle, don't fucking giggle on your sprinkle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anyway, welcome to Watch or Crap. And it's a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we'd love to talk about. So tonight we are recapping the season finale of Southern Charm. And yes, I have a question. So I watched this off of Peacock. Did anyone else watch off of Peacock? Because. Okay, yeah, that's. I wish Peacock were here to see that. I was like, yes, Peacock. No, but Peacock.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, Peacock.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did anyone else have this thing? So I watched it on the airplane, and maybe I downloaded the wrong version. I had the audio description version. Did anyone get that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Has anyone got that either?

[Ronnie Karam]

I did not. Okay, so I did not know about this. So. Audio description. It's a very good service. It's for if you're visually impaired that it will tell you what's happening on screen. But I had no idea that that's what I was listening to. And I was on the plane, and so it was opening up and it was just like, you know, they're talking and JT's like, But, Vanita, I really like you. And then all of a sudden, I heard out of nowhere, a voice goes, vanita looks down. And I was like.

[Ben Mandelker]

But how accurate was it? Because it should have been going like. And Shep, a disheveled, you know, douchebag who probably smells like two days ago, enters.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything was like that. There was a lot of commentary about Vanita nodding. Like, every two seconds, that voice would come on and say, vanita nods. And the best was when it got really intense when there was like a fight at the party later on and went to commercial. There was, like an exterior shop before it went to commercial of, like, the place where they're having the party. And the guy comes on and goes, exterior, Iron Gates.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like that. It's an excitable queen doing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was just like. He like, put on his angry voice to be like, I'm going to sell this scene for someone right now. Iron Gates. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Could you be the person doing notes for that? I'm sorry, we didn't get enough from Iron Gates. Can we bring somebody else in for that read.

[Ronnie Karam]

Anyway. It's a very disorienting watch if you're not expecting the audio description, but I also highly recommend it because it's an experience.

[Ben Mandelker]

Interior, white people. Lots and lots of white people.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right. Sienna looks down at the megalodon necklace and sigh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Previously on this season of Southern Charm. JT had an accident on his hummer Hot Wheels.

[Ronnie Karam]

Poppy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And almost got his balls crushed. Oh, my balls. Thankfully, he didn't have any in the first place.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey.

[Ben Mandelker]

Then he got off on the wrong foot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my foot.

[Ben Mandelker]

The wrong teeny, tiny baby foot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey.

[Ben Mandelker]

With nearly everybody.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what? Patricia didn't take. Didn't. Sorry. I got my balls almost crushed. Patricia didn't take the cane I offered her. Brett called me up and asked me if I banged his wife, which really ticked off Craig in a douchey strip mall goth joint.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am furious. There was once a very handsome man in a golf place that raised an objection, your honor.

[Ronnie Karam]

Craig, why are you talking like that?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a lawyer. A lawyer and a storyteller.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't worry. He wasn't the only person Craig was mad at.

[Ben Mandelker]

Craig, you don't come out and hit on Barely legal teams with me anymore. Hurts my feelings, bro.

[Ronnie Karam]

Austin, I'm not gonna be an alcoholic anymore. I only drink alone. At home, you can swim or le.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meanwhile, two homogenous white girls hired for the men on this show to emotionally abuse before they get fired without cause. Like every other woman to ever be on this show. Except for me, of course. Sally and Taylor agreed to disagree about New Homely Douche. They're kind of fighting over Gaston.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one fights like Gastone.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one smites like Gaston.

[Ronnie Karam]

No one fires up the feminine whites like Gaston.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get off my ass. I just kind of blew the guy in the Great Royal American. Okay? It's not like I tried to marry him or nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Over at Vanita's, she and JT Hit a snag over a branzino dinner.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks for the whole fish, but I got a girlfriend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, did you just propose to me?

[Ben Mandelker]

And over in washed up Modelville, Molly was getting her groove back by blowing a tubby guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Excuse me? What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. Blowing a tuba.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, I'm Molly. I like playing tuba, pretending I'm obese and pretending I have an interest in ship beats waiting tables.

[Ben Mandelker]

Unfortunately, while she was pretending to be in love with Shep, Shep was pretending to be in love with a beauty pageant girl from the Bahamas to improve his Q rating.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh, we're in love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right? Did someone Fart.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I got you a megalodon tooth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just stab me with it or fucking let me out of here. Your choice.

[Ronnie Karam]

Meanwhile, Craig and Austin made up.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't be mad at me. I said the word addict on national television. Craig. Hi, Greg. Want some?

[Ronnie Karam]

Craig, you are so brave, sincere right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And right when it seemed that Ryan would be named the least talkative gay person to ever appear on television, he dropped a barber bomb.

[Ronnie Karam]

Vanita, I go to the same hair plug installer as JT and he said that JT Referred to you as some black girl trying to ruin his relationship. Him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait till I tell Charles about this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Tell me after I've had my dinner, woman. I'm sick of the drama.

[Ben Mandelker]

Vanita, this is absolutely not true. I didn't say you were some black girl. I said you were an insanely cute homewrecker who happens to be black. Could you come to the event space and talk to me about it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sure. Let me just throw on my ball gown. Charles, look after the house for me, for Christ's sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

Should I cook you dinner, too? Woman, I'm busy. I've got a life.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we open up. We're in the middle of this random scandal that just drops at the end of the season. And, you know, Leva and JT have just spoken to this barber, and they have gotten on good authority from the barber that the barber never said this, because why would the barber ever lie on national tv?

[Ben Mandelker]

Barber's stuff. They're not called liar Sams. It's fantastic Sams. It's not like fantastic liar Sams. Trust your barber.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Vanita's saying, you know, like, you know, JT Telling his barber, you know, quote, some girl, some girl likes me. Some girl this, some girl that. Just like, I'm just like some girl to you. And that girl has a name, but this is not jt I don't buy it. I kind of buy it. I buy it a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

I kind of buy it. So she's like, so, how are you doing? Your new plugs look really good. You know, not trying to gas you, but you look hot right now. You look really, really good. I'm so mad at you. I'd still fuck you right now. You want to? Should we do this on Bunny's couch or not?

[Ronnie Karam]

Bunny's couch. Listen, you know what? Here's the thing. It wasn't the barber's fault. I spoke to him. It's not his fault, everyone. It's Ryan's fault. You know, he likes this game of telephone, and it's causing real emotional pain. Not just with you, and now with me and Leva and Poppy and a chair somewhere.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, like, I was just racking my brain around it, you know? Like, why would he say some girl? Like, it just doesn't sound like you. It just. It made me feel like I didn't matter to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, that's only because I don't. You don't matter to me, that's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Can I make you dinner? I'm gonna make you dinner.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, I would never say just some girl. I mean, I know what I said. I was like, there's this beautiful girl. And I told him what caught, like, kind of what we're going through as friends. As friends. Just relax there. Hold your horses there a little bit. Okay. And he was like, cool. Got it. Totally understand.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, now that I've got a little bit more of a level head and you've agreed to marry me, I just. I just really. I just really don't see you saying it, you know? You know, I mean, this makes so much more sense the way you're explaining it, you know, it's just not you, right? It's not how you talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I never said you were all over me. I just was like, there's this girl who wants to marry me. Yada, yada, yada. Pretty simple stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it seems a little too close. What he. What he described, that's what's happening on the show. Like, there's some girl on the show, she's flirting with me, and my girlfriend's gonna be pissed off. I mean, it sounds like he said it. Otherwise, where'd the barber get it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, so Vanita's like, well, I'm still jt Team jt. And he's like, oh, and this gay. Some gay dropped a nuke about me. And like, he said it. He said it.

[Ronnie Karam]

We are going to confront him tonight. And by we, I mean you, because I'm not gonna go.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, well, it's a season finale, so I've got to be mad at somebody. I'm turning on the gay. I'm turning on the gay. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just love Wayfair. Can I just say that I love Wayfair, and I have been redoing my podcast space in here to become more of, like, a video podcast studio, and I've been using Wayfair to get. I got some beautiful chairs that I'm using right now. For on camera that are great. And honestly, we're going to spread the joy to other rooms in the house because I think I'm going to get some new chairs for my dining room, and I'm going to use Wayfair to get the chairs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it really works for every room. I even did a patio. I did my whole patio and Wayfair stuff, and it looks fantastic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they just have so much cool stuff. They've got, like, you know, furniture and decor. They've got cozy couches and side tables and artwork and all sorts of cool stuff. But they also have, like, storage and organization and kitchen essentials. They really have everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Super convenient because they really do have everything. All different kinds of designers, all different kinds of styles. The huge selection made it easier for me to just shop for everything from there. I really got a lot of stuff from Wayfair.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm constantly surprised by the things I can actually find in there, too. They just have such a wide and deep catalog of things. It's perfect for everything that I need.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

It's so much easier to just turn on Amazon prime now and get all of my subscriptions right in one little hub. It's amazing. I'm watching Severance right now on Apple, and I'm also watching White Lotus on Max, and boom, I can watch them in the same app right now. It makes it so much easier to not forget what I'm watching and what app I need to open.

[Ronnie Karam]

Check out subscriptions on Prime Video. So now we see a very thrilling scene where with Madison and Brett at home. And Madison has an important question, which is, are you excited for the party tomorrow with all the betas?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I think it's gonna be fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cool. I'm gonna wear a red dress.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that was fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like this show because, you know, so many of the voices or whatever, they're all so stupid. But it's so helpful when we can do the exact same thing for two characters. Because this is her husband. Hey. And this is Taylor. Hey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. Are they the same people?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I do like Madison with her Google. She's like, hi, Google. And it just turns on Bright Pink lights. He's like, why do we have to do that? Because I can pay to shut up and bathe in the pink.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go to a place called Islander71. Fish House and deck Bar. Mixed response on that establishment. They're like, we went to Charleston. We went there. It was terrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I'm just excited. Any scene we get to watch Shep E. Yeah. So it's love horror movies.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Shep is there. Whitney joins Whitney. I'm just going to have a. A Snacky Poo, Mother. Snacky Poo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whitney's still wasted. If anybody has a. Yeah, he has been wasted this whole year. If anybody has an alcoholism storyline, it's Whitney. You know, they'd kick him out of those meetings. He'd just be like, hey, my name. My name is Whitney, and I can't say it. I can't say. I can't say.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm a wealthy heir. Wealth. So Shepa's like, gosh, it's been an interesting couple weeks for me. He's like, oh, you've loved and you've lost. Emphasis on lost.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just unrequited love, you know, has been so hard. But I'm certainly not gonna be crying in my Cheerios every morning like Othello.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're not allowed to have Cheerios in our household because every time we buy them, Mother just throws them at Randy one at a time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mother's just opposed to the name. Doesn't believe in that as a personality trait. Every time I said, mother, can we have some Cheerios? She said, no allowed in this house, and smacked me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Shepherd, I've. I've never seen you be that. That emotional. It was hilarious. I mean, it was out of character. You gave it to. You give a girl a tooth.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like that. Whitney's kind of implying that this is all. He's like, yeah, I've known you for a long time. I've never seen you actually care, Chef. And he's like, I know, right? Did you buy it?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a changed man ever since I had Aya Garshka.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, listen, you can't just sit around. Like, you need. You need to prove your virility. So there's a school bus stopping right up. It just left. All right, just call Molly. Call Molly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh. Should I bring a date to the summer. To the summer house? Yeah. Should I bring a date to the Southern charm? Informal. Yeah. Well, it seemed like Molly was a little sweet on you. Little sweet on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chef and Whitney talk like they're in some 50s movie like that girl that damn sweet on you.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like in Guys and Dolls all of a sudden.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shall we have a nibble?

[Ronnie Karam]

How good is he?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like the idea of Molly dawned on him, and there's fireworks of carbs coming out of his mouth. It's just like.

[Ronnie Karam]

These two have so many crab cakes coming out of their mouths. It is just. The entire. The entire table is just covered with, like, breading and crab bits and corn kernels.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just wouldn't want to treat a woman badly, you know? And I'm not really looking for anything serious after that whole other not serious thing I've been doing for the past year. So I just wouldn't want to lead her on. That would just be so unlike me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh, what if she doesn't have a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pretty little freckled lip?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's kind of my kink.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hopefully she's just down to ball.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh. So they decide that they're. They're. They're talking about Molly S'more. And you know, Shep is like, well, Molly did say that she hasn't had sex in two and a half years, which makes her just desperate enough to find the both of us attractive.

[Ben Mandelker]

Haven't been able to get a proper boner for two, but I've still managed.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what's a boner? I thought that was called renob. Gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I know they should have seen it coming. So they call Molly, and she's like, hey, Molly. That's what I said.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what are you guys up to? Just eating crab cakes. I know there's piece of red pepper on my facetime right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chicken fingers. Are you coloring the coloring book?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, we're talking about the random party we're gonna have, and I don't know if you're not going any with anyone. I heard you're sweet on me, so I'd love for you to accompany me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold on. Let me see if my tuba still want to. But you still want to. No. Nope. All right, I'm free. I'm free.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, gosh. And Whitney's like, she needs to be picked up in a limo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I hope it's a stretch limo. I'm huge. I can't fit into a regular car. So what if I pick you up.

[Ronnie Karam]

In an M151 mutt, just like the jeeps they had in the Vietnam war?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

I.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chef'S gonna be your escort. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a mediocre night you're about to have.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way. I did look up the model of the jeeps that they had in the Vietnam War.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was that the actual model?

[Ronnie Karam]

The M151? Thank you for the scattered applause on my researching. We make. We spend a lot of effort on.

[Ben Mandelker]

These shows when we perform in an actual theater. Research.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go. Oh, I love this scene. Craig and Paige in the car. This is the final. The final days of chicken and chicken. What would.

[Ben Mandelker]

Would, like, be the sound of all of this? It would be like the deserved it all. Like, what would you call it?

[Ronnie Karam]

The. The. The A ball scan. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Chicken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chicken.

[Ronnie Karam]

Loser. Loser, Chicken schmoozer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Loser, loser, chicken boozer. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna workshop it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. So Craig's like, wow, chicken. I wish you could stay one extra day. You know, like, you just. We just need a bonus day, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then she gives him a look like, you fucking moron, I came an extra day for you. Oh, yeah, that's right. You did come a day early. So I guess our bonus day was on the front end of your trip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, what a win.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are we sure it was just a bonus day? Kind of felt like a bonus year that I was here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what if we run out of gas on the bridge? Wouldn't that be terrible? Well, that's about when our relationship ran out of gas, so would be fitting.

[Ronnie Karam]

I will literally throw myself off the bridge and swim to the airport if that's what it requires.

[Ben Mandelker]

If Paige wasn't so lazy, she would have jumped off that bridge. She would have her face. This whole car ride is like. So she's like, yeah, okay. You know, remember that time when we were in. We were in the car on the way to the airport, and I went, no, no, I don't want to go to the airport.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. But I was, like, late into the drive, and so you were like, I'm really sorry. And I was like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that was like, one of those days. I just couldn't bear to get on a plane. I mean, they're disgusting. They're horrible. They're uncomfortable. And then I looked at you and the plane wine. That was a fun day.

[Ronnie Karam]

By the way, what happened to TCBY in the airport? In Charles, here in Charlotte?

[Ben Mandelker]

Nobody knew what the it meant. At some point, kids are like, that doesn't even make sense. They only know the text version.

[Ronnie Karam]

I could have sworn there was a tcby. There wasn't there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank God it's not. What is it? The country's.

[Ronnie Karam]

This country's best yogurt.

[Ben Mandelker]

The country's best yogurt.

[Ronnie Karam]

This country's best yogurt.

[Ben Mandelker]

That place had too big of a head. No one likes arrogant yogurt.

[Ronnie Karam]

The way everyone responded to that just now, like, oh, yeah, we don't talk about TCBY anymore.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, there's like, some scandal, like, don't you dare talk about tcby.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's, like, a blood pact in Charlotte. Like, what goes on on Tcpy Stays there. It's a Starbucks now. Anyway, you're not from here.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't comment on our goddamn TCB Watch.

[Ronnie Karam]

We've already had enough of Parker Posey's accent. We don't need you talking about tcpy. Okay? Paige is like, yeah, I was having one of those days where I just really couldn't get on the plane, but I was also having one of those days where I was saying everything seven days too late. So sort of like a New York response.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, yeah, you know, it's just terrible getting on a plane. You know, there's so much riff raff. And here in the south, you get on a plane, everybody's like, hi, how are you? What's your name? What are you doing? What are you here for? Where'd you get all that black? Did you go to a funeral? Why do you have bangs?

[Ronnie Karam]

How's your tour competition going?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just like in the north, we say, zip it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shut up. Craig's like, it's called humanity.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gross. Gross, Craig. All right, just get me back to New York where I can order something to my door, not have to see somebody. You don't even have door dash in the South. Where's Paige? She can't get door dash anywhere. Why does she always say that?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's at Craig's house where food is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Delivered.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, on Doordash, I can't say that. My delivery address is at a little desk next to a cricut machine in the garage.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would call doordash, but I'm embarrassed to be having my food delivered to a gift wrapping room.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I hate it here. Craig's like, so when are you. When am I gonna see you again? Oh, oh, hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let me go through my iCal.

[Ronnie Karam]

My iCal.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are you doing on the third.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never. Oh, there's only 28 days in this month. 28 nevers. Never, never.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, it's. Oh, I forgot it's daylight savings time, which is different than relationship savings time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm going to la, and then I'm going To Italy with my family. No, you're not invited. You're not part of my family. We all hate you. And never then I'm going on tour. Okay, so did you guys watch. Do you guys watch the after show of this? I don't, but I do love some clips, okay? It's how I get my news headline reading. So I've been watching the Instagram clips of this after show where Paige finally opens up. I was actually surprised Paige opened up on the after show. Get yourself an Us Weekly article. I mean, Jesus Christ. Lindsay had one for literally everything. Lindsay came out of a bathroom stall, according to us. You know, like, come on, Paige. I believe in you, Paige. So anyway, she was talking about her breakup, and she's like, yeah, it's like he never really supported what I was doing. Like, he got mad I was going on tour. And Amanda goes, yeah. Remember he made you watch that, like, documentary about people going on tour? And Paige goes, yeah, it was about some band called abba. I mean, it's like some Norwegian thing. And it was. I was mortified. I was like, how do I stand up for this woman week after week, honestly? And she's like, yeah, some Norwegian people, and they have a whole documentary about how all of their families broke up because they went on tour. I just love. I love that Craig's, like, watching. Watch abba. See how it ruined their life.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's when she realized, wait, why waste time? Let's just end it now, before the tour instead of after. Yeah, now, I guess. As long as we're talking about after shows, did you see the other clip of Shep?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, what was that one? Oh, you have forsaken me Instagram.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought that's what you were about to say. So Shep went on to, I think another Bravo after show, and he's like, course, Paige never went on one single vacation with Craig for the show. That's not fair. If she was a good girlfriend, she would go with Craig on the show to the Bahamas, to any place, any vacation. That's fucked up, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not getting paid for this show. Why would she go? It's not her show. She ain't getting paid for that shit. I wouldn't go either.

[Ronnie Karam]

Have you seen your vacations? We, the audience, are barely showing up for them. Yeah, no, he was really spicy about it, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're monsters on those. Those vacations. I wouldn't go either. Just like Craig was to his girlfriend. That's how he would have been. Oh, Paige, why aren't you marrying Craig?

[Ronnie Karam]

They would have died. Yeah, they have a huge cast. They would have all sat down and put Paige in the middle of the table like they did with the Sienna and been like, so what's going on with you and Craig? Are you gonna give up your tour? You've a weekly squad. You're gonna move here to Charleston. You're gonna put on Lily Pulitzer. What are you gonna do? She'd be like, ew. Where's door dash?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hold on. I want to dedicate this slow dance to Paige and Craig. You can dance.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're a really busy girl. You know, this might be one of our longer times of not seeing each other. Usually we're like, I don't know, every five days or so. Yeah. Yeah. This will be the last time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you trying to say that we're usually more in sync, Craig? Yeah, well, that band is more together than we'll ever be, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he literally says so. He's got that big, like, puppy dog smile. He's like, so, when am I going to see you next? And she literally says, never. This is the last time you're gonna see me, and you just don't know it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just kidding. Not kidding.

[Ronnie Karam]

She is not kidding.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. Oh, I love a mixed crowd, you guys. Poor Craig. Stop falling for it. Suckers. Suckers.

[Ronnie Karam]

The chicken has blown the coop.

[Ben Mandelker]

Suckers. Last week, people were booing because I said, shape with this Shape. What the is wrong with me? That cheerleader girl, she my whole day up. I should have kicked her like I wanted to in the first place. Myself.

[Ronnie Karam]

Always kick.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was saying that Shep was faking his whole relationship, and people are like, oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

Suckers. So now we're going over to. You know, every season of Southern charm has to end with, like, a stuffy formal at a random house. So now we're at one, and this time, Madison and Ryan are setting it up. And honestly, like, Ryan has said three words this entire season, so this is the first time he actually gets to say, like, multiple sentences, which is weird because it's the first time I noticed his accent. And also, it was the first time I noticed that he has a deranged opinion about feathers, because he was like, I like it all. I like everything. Not those feathers. Can we get those feathers? Can we strike the feathers? I just can't see the feathers. No more feathers. No more feathers.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And the party planner who did everything like, these people did nothing for this party. It's like, okay, well, I set up this old prison, so that's my made.

[Ronnie Karam]

This presentable place it's in a prison.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Patricia was mortified to walk in here, like, well, I never. Only time I come here is to get Whitney out and pay the chief.

[Ronnie Karam]

They did have a room that was dedicated to Thomas Ravenel, which I thought was nice. That was very nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

One way lock.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So in this prison, and Ryan is.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a restroom stall with many.

[Ronnie Karam]

Smooth surfaces with a little mirror table on the. On this, Thomas.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Thomas Ravenel center for smells.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I do think that like, Catherine yelling, thomas, don't go. Thomas, don't go. Walked that way. Piper, no could run. Thomas. I always felt like Catherine was kind of a Parker Posey character anyway. Like, she kind of is. Like she's from Waiting for Guffman, you know, so it's all full circle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so party. Party. This is the only place in the south I've ever seen it turn summer. And people put on suits. Who does that? Where I'm from, you get out your little short jorts, throw on a thong and hit the town. It's summer. Wear a three piece suit and a ball gown.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everyone's getting ready at different places, trying on dresses. Charles sits on a gown or something like that. Taylor's getting her makeup done with Penny, which is exciting.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then I don't know if this is only editing, but every time they show Taylor with Penny, Penny's just laying there looking at her and she's like, hey, Penny, what do you think? And they just show Penny, and Penny's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like Penny always wants to pee on something. Like, Penny is ready to pee on the gown, Penny is ready to pee on the bed. Penny's ready to go. So we wind up, we land with Craig going over to Austin's place. And Craig is like, I think like life and friendships, it's like always going to be like a roller coaster, but you gotta keep the ride going because there's so many stories to tell. Hashtag storyteller.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I got a text yesterday from Taylor. It was just like, hey, FYI, you know? You know, all the girls were talking about you trying to see Sally's boobs. I mean, what the hell, man?

[Ronnie Karam]

Thin right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see a flashback of Sally being like, yeah, she. He was like, show us your tits. And Lev is like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Taylor's like, oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And like he was just saying it in front of everyone. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Leva earning that paycheck.

[Ronnie Karam]

So basically, Taylor called Austin to say, hey, Sally's talking about how you want to see her boobs. And I think that she's coming for your relationship with the girl from Charlotte. I was. I was just trying to shamelessly get the Charlotte people to be like, yeah, Charlotte.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, that girl is here.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guys are like, we don't want. We don't want to claim her. We don't claim her. We don't claim her.

[Ben Mandelker]

No. That girl seems super nice. I actually like when they show her today. I mean, she seems, like, so nice and so young, you know, I want to pull up in my auntie van and be like, get in. Get in. I know. He seems nice. No, get in the car. We're having a talk around the block, man. But I like when they showed her in this episode. Every time they show her, he goes, hey, hey, Pookie. He's like, hey, Pookie, Pookie, Pookie, how you doing, Pookie? How you doing today? And she's like, tired.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just want everyone in the front row to know that we were thinking about you. And on the off chance that Austin was going to come to the show, we did have ponchos ready for you to wear so you could stay dry.

[Ben Mandelker]

I wonder why I didn't want to come. So weird. Insane.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're insane right now, Ronnie.

[Ben Mandelker]

This ass crack is, like, on its own journey today. God damn it. Needs his own frequent flyer miles.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's because your ass crack is a storyteller.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we get to Sally on her way to the summer soiree, and she's with her boy Andrew, formerly Grace Lilly's fuckboy.

[Ronnie Karam]

It should be noted, it's important to tell the whole backstory.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll take him. I mean, that guy is hot. Listen, that's the kind of fuckboy this show needs. We're following the wrong fuck, boys. Get on that one. A man bun in a prayer Run him like there's no tomorrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Sally's like, me and Andrew were very hot and heavy in the beginning. I talked him to Applebee's, gave him the knot of life. We were best friends, turned into lovers. It was like a rom com, but with, like, little fried onion peels, you know, it was fun. We've been trusting each other for. Over dating each other for over a year. Yeah, I've never had this with any of my other relationships.

[Ben Mandelker]

She tells him, wow, I've never seen you with the shirt on. I was like, yeah, girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, you know what? Tonight I just want to hang out.

[Ben Mandelker]

With me Craig.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Was he like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did he like Parliament? It was like the Revolutionary War. I don't know what the chef was doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did he, like, hear that Oasis was back together? Like, it was like velvet head buttons? I was like, what Civil War reenactment are you going to after this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he was. He was fighting for the other side of that war. He was in the. He was in the blue coats.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, am I. I'm really stupid with history. Sorry. We were. When we were in Canada, the lady who work. Who works the theaters and stuff in Canada, the booker, she was like, oasis is so huge that we had to build a new stadium for Oasis. Isn't that crazy? Never underestimate the power of a dad, you know? God damn. For Oasis.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. That's what I. It's a wonder Go, dad. Okay, so Shep arrives in some.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oasis, by the way, is such the Craig band, because they. They literally were doing Craig voice before Craig was doing Craig voice. Like, it's like. If you ever imagine Craig singing, it is literally Oasis.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so he picks her up. He's like, hi. She's like, wow, you look so handsome. She's got a big knocker that's like huge nuts that are hanging down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Shep is. Shep is a little uncomfortable with the process. He's like flicking it with his finger. He's like, I don't want to get too many fingers on those nuts. Gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like Tom Girardi nuts just like hanging all the way to the grass. Also, that was a knocker.

[Ronnie Karam]

Molly says that her brother gave her that. That knocker, which is exciting. And Shep is like, gosh, I'm gonna use the bathroom. It's not gonna be like something about Mary, you know, when I got. You got the balls in the zipper. Stuck in the zipper.

[Ben Mandelker]

Remember that? Remember that? How old are you again? I shouldn't get that. Something about Mary's girls, like, was that in black and white or. Yeah, well, you know, he gets his nut stuck in the zipper. She's like, gross. Don't you remember the part that girl combed her hair with. With spooge and then she had like. That's hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I'm gonna practice my tuba so I don't have to hear you peeing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like that's like an old man long pee. And I can say, this is a 50 year old person almost. The pee gets longer and longer, you know, Shep Was in there for a long time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

I could have watched something about Mary at the time that it took that man to pee.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's the opposite of I'm not here for a long time, but a good time? It's like, I'm not here for a short time, but first had time shep peeing.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she. He's like, oh, it's just gonna be like prom. She's like, well, I'm not like a big dancer. Like, you know, prom was, like, not really a big deal for me. It was, like, super stressful. You know, it's like tonight, like, I'm just terrified I'm gonna be stuck out there dancing with a dork.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, gosh. Well, I feel like it's really soon to be dating, but I'm all for it. And she's like, yeah, I think it's really soon after his heartbreak with Sienna. So I'm not trying to be like, hey, you want to get married? But then on the other hand, it's like, me and a tuba. So maybe. I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we go to the party, and messy ass Rodrigo's there trying to make us, Trying to make a mark for Rodrigo. He just tries so hard. He's literally running around. And he comes up to Austin. He's like, hey, titty joke. Remember? Because you said that thing about her, and now you're in trouble for. It's going to be a great season finale.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I feel like his partner knows it, because every time they cut to his partner, he's always smiling like he tries.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like they. Every time they show his partner, they show the gayest shot ever. Because it's never just his partner being like, hello, how are you? It's always him being like. Every time. I know they have to have normal shots of this guy.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love Tyler. I love Tyler, cuz I feel like I could, like, sit down and talk about. I garden with him for about two hours.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Leva arrives in a leopard dress. She's like, hey, nice place. What is this, a jail? So, yeah, I heard about the barber on the phone. Yeah, I don't have a long time, guys. Can we just get to the fucking barber scene? All right, I've got things to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

At which point, on my airplane, I heard Leva yawns, rolls her eyes, and.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sits down, collects paycheck. So she goes up to Vanita, and she's like, you know what? Oh, no, she's just telling us. She's like, you know what? If you heard JT saying that Jt can call like a man and be like, I feel like you've disrespected my friend. Instead of like, whisper, whisper, whisper. I'm so sick of everybody and everybody else's business. I cannot wait to confront somebody tonight about this when it's none of my business.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Austin walks up to Sally. He's like, sally, I just want to clear the air with you, perhaps. Clear the air. You're adding saliva to it.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like. She's pulling out an umbrella. Yeah, the air is a little thick tonight. Jesus.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's getting, like, the COVID mask over her eyes. She's like, hold on one second. Oh, okay. Now you can talk. Well, it kind of came around back to me that, you know, I was saying things in the Bahamas. Yeah, your boobs.

[Ben Mandelker]

My boobs?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, because they're so big. Can I see them? Can I see them?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I mean, it wasn't, like, a thing. You were just talking about my boobs?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you know, I like, dismiss it. I didn't want to cross, like, a line or something, but, like, I brought to my attention and stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you were talking about my boobs? Yeah, I remember you were talking about them. Remember that? That was fun. It was fine. Who cares? Who doesn't talk about my boobs? I love them, you know, And I was just saying it in a fun way because everyone was talking about how, you know, I was getting rid of him. And then we see a flashback to that scene last week with the doctor where he's like, whoa. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

God damn. Did someone get married? Because a pair of cans just jangled down the street. Jesus Christ.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Wow. Those are mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're taking those things out. Can I get a picture first? Just as proof? Yeah, Well, I thought it was fun, too. And then it got brought back to my attention with something bad. I was saying, you know, I mean, I don't want pookie to get mad. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, who told you that? I said this? And he is like, taylor did. Which is funny because Austin always is. Rats out Taylor every single season, Anytime, anything, Austin rats her out. Well, you know, it wasn't really that big of a deal. I don't know why Taylor's trying to make it one. And we see Taylor is. She's. She has, like, a shell of some sort that she's serving champagne out of. I don't know what's going on in this jail.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, some summer swearing, not drinks. So he's like, yeah, I mean, it just got brought to my attention. So she's like, I'm going to have a talk with Taylor. The big boob confrontation. I can't wait. Season finale, they're firing on all cylinder. We're gonna have a boob fight.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Shep and Molly arrive. Everyone's like, shepherd. Shepherd looks like a general right now. Shepherd, Shepherd, Shepherd.

[Ben Mandelker]

What are you, Sergeant Pepper? Molly's like, who? What are these old guys talking about? So is there. Is there a jello stand in here for these men? Jesus Christ.

[Ronnie Karam]

Patricia and Whitney show up. Patricia's like, fine, I'll do my five minutes with the cast and then wheel me back to the house.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. He just rolls up with the dolly. She's like, I'm going inside. I'm not standing out here. Who stands out here is ridiculous. I'd rather go into the prison than talk to these losers in the sun. Get me in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Molly and Shep are having banter, and gosh, now's the time where we can have banter. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. So Molly's like, I really want to be with someone that's larger than me because it makes me feel more feminine. She's like, yeah, and you can have sex standing up or that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Patricia is sitting with Ryan, and Ryan's like, wow, it's a great party so far, right? Like, it's all going real well. Except for those feathers. Yeah, you should have that woman murdered. But I like that he's so mad about feathers. And he's talking to Pennsylvania Patricia, who is covered head to toe in feathers.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ryan is going to go to sleep tonight, and he's going to see feathers on his ceiling like a little baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

With feathers or is going to be offed. Just read this note before you're dead. You with feathers. You with me. I brought you onto this show, Mary. I can take you off. So she's like, look, Austin. Look how many sing single women there are. And this guy's like, austin's not single. Remember, he's dating that young girl out of town. So he never has to have in town accountability about everything. So. Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, that's right. So then Austin is. Now he's talking to Patricia, and he's like, so I'm really rooting for Molly and Shep. I really want that to happen. She's like, oh, I don't even know who Molly. Who is Molly? Was she on our show?

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to have a conversation with any woman that joins this group, and I want to tell her one, stay away From Whitney's money, you fucking harlot. And two, caution. Caution.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think you're wrong. I'll kill you.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shep and Molly are doing there. He's like, whoa, I'm a boy and you're a girl.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're a ball. I'm, like, on a date with Ophelia. So Sally and Taylor. Sally and Taylor, like, all right, time to have a scene to see if we get on to next season. Hey. Hey, Taylor. Hey. Remember my housewarming party? We agreed to keep our names out of each other's mouths.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

My name's in your mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

How so?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you were texting Austin and telling him that I'm coming after him.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why? I mean, I've never in no way, shape, or form come after him or with him.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you told the girls to this party.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did not come with him to this party, Pop or no.

[Ben Mandelker]

You told the girls he wanted to see your tits.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I never. No, I never said that. I said that my tits were on me, and he was like, let me see those. But I didn't say he wants to see my tits.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't know how you phrased it to the girls.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I don't think you do. That's not how I phrased it at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

But. But it was told to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You.

[Ronnie Karam]

You guess. Tits.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tone.

[Ronnie Karam]

One second. Can we give some more juice to these girls? Keep my name out of your mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. I'm not taking this. I don't have to do this. I'm walking away. Taylor, you are not important enough to walk away every scene, okay? You have not earned this. I am addicted to your charisma. You stand right there. You finish this like a grown turtle.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what she always does. She always walks away. So Taylor. Taylor then goes over to the guys, is like. She was like a Chihuahua. I was like, no, I'm pretty sure it was just a very dull fight you guys just had.

[Ben Mandelker]

Most docile Chihuahua I've ever seen. Ryan's the Chihuahua. Ryan's over there like feathers. Feathers, Feathers, Feathers, Feathers in here.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're gonna find him curled up in, like, a bathrobe. Like feathers. No feathers. No feathers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is your dog cold? For Chihuahuas, they're always like.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Leva goes up to Venita because Leva's like, hello, I've gotta get back to my shift at Zachary's Daiquiris.

[Ben Mandelker]

I need to get back. I need to get back and make sure nobody in Nike's is getting through the front door. Of my bar.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I heard they're trying to figure out how to spell birthday on the sign at Republic. I gotta go back there. So can we get your. Vanita, can we get your. Your little scene on the. On the road here? Aren't you supposed to be confronting? Ryan's like, I don't like confrontation. Venita, you're on a reality show. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's like, come on, Vanita, you need to confront Ryan. Do you want me to go with you? She goes, yeah, I'm scared.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm scared. Ryan is a very scary person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you see what he did to those feathers?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they pull Ryan to this, like, side room, and Ryan thinks it's just gonna be like, a fun Kiki. Like, hey, we're just gonna talk about things.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they get in, and immediately he's like, oh, my God, girls, I am so sorry. Who left those feathers there? He's, like, truly mortified. Like, this is the most embarrassing thing that happened to him all season. He's like, I. I don't even know where my manners are. I had you come into a room when there was a vase of feathers. It is just so unbeneath me. You know who would do that? Northerners, but not me. Not me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Isn't this a nice little side room? Finally, we can kiki. Oh, my God. Thank God we're in a prison, cuz Belinda's gonna be stuck in it. God damn it, Belinda. The feathers in here. So they sit down, and Vanita's like, so I'm just here with Leva because she's my support. Thank you, Leva, so much for being here. You know, the information you gave me about the barber, you know, and JT say something. Saying something derogatory, you know, I mean, it's just confusing. I just don't think JT's capable. I just don't think he's capable of saying anything, you know? And then I learned that there's no facts behind what you said. Zero facts.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ryan, let me jump in here. I'm Leva. I heard the barber, and I'll tell you this right now, there's no way that barber ever said it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I spoke with the barber on FaceTime.

[Ronnie Karam]

So case closed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Case closed.

[Ronnie Karam]

Case closed. Someone called Kathy Bates and say, matlock, don't bother coming down. Figured it out. I'm on the case, and it's closed.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ryan's like, well, I believe then telling the truth, always when it's your truth to tell. And this is a moment where I've Seen my friend telling me that she's in love with this short person and she's. She's caught feelings for him. And even though they're never gonna get her on a ride at Disneyland because he can't even ride the fucking tik. I mean, he's a short person. And, you know. And then, you know, there's paragraphs, you know, from J.T. and that's. I have to tell my friend. I have to tell my friends. So this barber is clearly running a business and he's obviously gonna want a clean house. And I get why it would spin it then. We could have flashed back to the barber being like, girl. I don't know what he said. He said something like, some girl, some show. Maybe she's black. I don't know. They were. I mean, I didn't really say anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think she drowned at one point. Might be a ghost here.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do remember he. You didn't buy any extra conditioner like I offered you. That wasn't nice. But, you know, I would never repay you in a terrible way. You know, it's just that I'll make a little more conditioner commission than I do on anything else in this way. But listen, you don't support me, doesn't mean I'm going to throw you under the bus, does it?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Madison slinks in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get that messy barber on here immediately.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, next season. Messy barber.

[Ben Mandelker]

We need a good gay on this show. I need the barber.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shep came in here the other day. He said, I don't want a haircut. I say, get the fuck out of here and send Austin. Austin came in and asked for the Lindsey Graham. He asked for the Lindsey Graham. I gave it to him straight up. He's fucking four women, I'll tell you that right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Madison comes in, she's like, hey, I just want to check on Ryan. Belinda's crying out there. Something about feathers. He threw a dish at her face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, now we have someone else in this room. Okay, you know what, Madison? He's okay. It's not like we're jumping down his throat or accusing him of stuff that he didn't do or anything like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Madison, we just want to get to the bottom of it. And I just feel like, you know, we're all friends. And I just think it's a matter like, passing this sort of information can be very damaging. And rather than like calling someone up, you should just go directly to JT and tell him to his face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Rodrigo's like, did someone say bottom of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, excuse me. Here. There's room for you in here. Rodrigo, get on in. They're. They're yelling at Ryan. It's fun. Get in here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, what I said was not my subconscious. I said, jt. And he said, everybody. And then Patricia's like, oh, hi. Excuse me. Do you know how many sweating pores people are in there? I can't. I can't take this. If I wanted to spend the night of abuse, I'd be at home with an electric rod and Randy, which is where I'm gonna end up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ryan's like, okay, well, I'm just trying to make a point here. It's like my one time this season I'm trying to make a point. And Leva's like, listen, what happens in this group is that there's a group of people that say things, and people pile onto it. And he's like, well, I'm gonna be very direct with you. He's like, let me finish.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no, no, because you're not finishing. I was like, yes. Listen, I don't know what Ryan's doing right now, but I'm Team Ryan. Shut up, Leva. And what are you talking about? People gang up on other people. That's you, Leva. You're leading. You're holding the torch. Every single time, it's Leva.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brian's like, okay, okay. Oh, that was good. I just sort of. I clapped back at Leva. Okay, you can do this. Okay, here's what I've got to say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Take it down a notch, Ryan. Take it down. Take it down a notch, gay person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, I will take it down a notch, but I. I have something really important to say, and it is the following.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me. I just wanted to say bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Every time another person going out here.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's going on in here?

[Ronnie Karam]

I just. I'm just. Okay, Dorinda, you just be quiet. I'm just trying. I'm just trying to say. This is a very important thing for me to say right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Same better parties at the goddamn carnival. All right, I'm out of here. This place.

[Ronnie Karam]

You. You.

[Ben Mandelker]

You. You want to mess with the carnie, you're going to pay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Lea, how are you?

[Ben Mandelker]

How are you, Lea? Le. You know what? This is a better party than the party out there. That. What are we all doing in here? Oh, my God. It's a man. A man in a suit. Whoa.

[Ronnie Karam]

I heard that. There's a gay man in here who hates feathers. Sabrina from Tenafly told me all about it. What's going on, Hans? What's going on? Excuse me, but this party, everybody's wearing a suit.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so Persian.

[Ronnie Karam]

Top of the morning to ya.

[Ben Mandelker]

What's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you all happy? I'm happy. I'm so happy. Happy how?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? Look at all these people at a party. Get a job. Get a job. Everybody in this party, get a goddamn job.

[Ronnie Karam]

My turn, My turn. I am here in Charleston to talk to this gay man who is afraid of feathers.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, everybody, listen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Still me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just get out. I want to have this conversation with just us. I don't need all these little voices. I've already dealt with feathers.

[Ronnie Karam]

So everyone's like, fine, we're trying to help you have a varsity level fight, whatever. So everyone just sort of shuffles out.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, I just don't need any more opinions in here, okay, Leva, this is between us. And she's like, listen, I'll. I'll let Vanita decide that. Vanita's like, leva, I love your support, but you've done a lot. You can go. She's like, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Excuse you. I was a consultant on Sir Wieners.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she leaves. So. And she's pissed. So Ryan's like, okay, Vanita, I'm listening. So Vanita's just basically like, what's going on? So meanwhile, Madison's outside as everybody get kicked, Gets kicked out. It's like, oh, my God. During the medley, just slapped me, called my husband ugly, and left. What the fuck's going on in there?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Rodrigo's like, yeah, like, Ryan's just, like, running his mouth. I'm like, back it up, girlfriend. Whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, guess what? I'm going to trust Ryan all day over jt. Sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now we go back to Vanita and Ryan, who we've had this whole big thing that we've been waiting to get to the bottom of. And Vanita's basically like, well, sorry. She's like, you know, when JT said that Ryan was lying, I was like, why would Ryan lie? And he's like, I wasn't lying. I was activated by feathers. There were so many feathers in here. You don't understand. I was calling everyone, just saying all sorts of crazy things, but I'm off it now. Everything is okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's like, well, I'm a lady to say what my barber said to me, and I'm sorry that it hurt anybody, but I'm allowed to relay my own barber gossip.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that she bought that. She's like, you know what? You're right.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are allowed to.

[Ben Mandelker]

You paid for those plugs. This is all your story.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's not called, okay, cuts. It's called super cuts, and you paid for that. So they.

[Ben Mandelker]

They.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because they realize it's not as fun to fight when it's just the two of you, you know? So they love each other. And then we go back to the party, and we see Molly and Shep. They're dancing. He's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to say, everybody on this show keeps saying, oh, my God, they've got such chemistry. They literally don't. Like, they show them standing against this back wall, and she's just kind of, like, leaning there and, like, looking around at people, kind of rolling his eyes, and he's like, this. This is real velvet. I got it off Amazon. It came with a little parrot sewed to the shoulder. But I took it off for the party.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sienna said that when I wore it, it just proved that I wasn't rich enough. Oh, well.

[Ben Mandelker]

So all the gang is like, they should make out. Make out, make out. And Craig's texting, you should make out. There was a man, a man in a hot suit who looked over at his friend and wanted more romance for his friend's life sustained. He's like, craig wants us to make out. She's like, all right.

[Ronnie Karam]

So meanwhile, Austin and Craig have a moment because they have to finish their storyline. So Austin's like, I don't want to be weird, Craig, but I feel more connected to you than ever before. It's like. It's like someone froze all my saliva, and now there's a bridge of spittle between me and your face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It was so rough during that whole time. You know, we just kept getting our lines crossed, and now we're just both back on the same line.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's great having lines together. So he's like, bring your own straw, though.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't like shoving the ears up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mine now, by the way, remember when I said our friendship was good, and then I was surprised when you said that our friendship wasn't good? And I was like, no, our friendship was good. Well, turns out our friendship wasn't good because I never even knew you had a girlfriend. I. So how's that going?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, maybe 2024 is being engaged. Maybe you're engaged, dude. And he's like, yeah, maybe, like, we're both gonna get married this year. I'm 99% confident that I'm gonna propose this year. Me too. Me too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Paige is like, so you're saying there's a chance that you won't.

[Ben Mandelker]

So let's see. So we get some small talk between Shep and that girl. I don't care. Okay, so basically, the party's over, right? Okay, let's just leave this party. Okay. Because now's the good part.

[Ronnie Karam]

Picking up the cameras for a storyteller.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. They say two hours later, and then we see fireworks. And I was like, is Shep eating again?

[Ronnie Karam]

Shep is like, gosh, I was in the Caribbean, and I got a message from Rodrigo, and it said, hey, girlfriend, sister friend. Have you seen the news? Holy shit. And I said, what? Is there going to be a sequel to the seminal documentary the Vietnam War by Ken Burns?

[Ben Mandelker]

Austin's like, wow, I guess they broke up. I guess we could see that there were some cracks. There were cracks there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, maybe. Like when Paige said, this is the last time you're gonna see me. You just don't know it yet. Don't go, aww. It's funny. It's funny that they broke up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. But especially knowing that that man told her to watch the ABBA documentary because tours ruined lives. That guy. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then his.

[Ronnie Karam]

When. When Scandival happened, I was like, oh, my God. When this happened, I was like, it's just funny. It's just funny because it was there all along. We've been talking. How long. How many years have we been saying how much time is left in this relationship? It's never gonna work out. And then it happens before, like, oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, look, it's just things that Craig's saying, like that. And then when he told her, yeah, I guess you could just take the kids. Cause you make your own money, honey. Or, you know, I know that you're working now, but eventually we're gonna have kids, and you can't do that anymore. Fuck that fucking guy. I don't care what happens to him. And I'm not buying this, sir. His whole, like, ooh, like, he got a special haircut for this scene. And I think this is right when he did his whole thing where he went on Instagram and he's like, guys, I've been so blindsided by Paige after. It was, like, three months since she dumped his ass, and he's out. He's like, oh, it's just me. Charming Craig. It's the same haircut.

[Ronnie Karam]

Same sweater, too. Yeah, I clock that as well. It's been clocked and recorded and observed, girlfriend. So trust your barber. I wonder. I wonder if Candace Lewan's talking about this right now at her show. Well, well, well, Craig. Turns out I have kind of a track record with Charleston guys, if you know what I'm saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Craig is doing his whole, wow, you know, we had. And I'm actually proud of Craig here because I really thought Craig was going to do like a come in, guys, where he's, like, in sweatpants and acting all sad, but he's not. He's doing like a running for mayor thing where he's like, well, you know, I thought, you know, we had a great Thanksgiving together, like, everything was normal at her parents, you know. And then a couple weeks later, she said, we gotta talk. And Shep goes, oh, my God, I hate that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, prior to Christmas. Craig's like, yeah. It's like, I knew. Like, I was like, I can't believe this is happening. And it was, like, really calm. And she's like, I need to, like, find myself, and I'm sick of eating kangaroo with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to take control of my life again, and we need to break up, you know? And the only people I wanted to tell was you guys because, you know, we were crossing lines. Right, Austin?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. But the truth is, I couldn't get it out. I couldn't get it out yet, you know, it was so hard. He's like, were you waiting to go public with this? Why would you wait? He's like, because what if it wasn't real? You know, like, she asked me to buy her a ring. No, she didn't. No, she didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't believe it. One second.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's for a page. That's like saying, hey, Craig, would you do. Do me a favor. Come inside my bedroom at night holding a knife to my throat and say, boo, Craig, she don't want that. That's like the most terrifying thing in the world. She's not gonna ask for that.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I got. Hey, Craig, I got a new ringtone. When you call, it says, don't answer. Don't answer. She launched a ring. So. So Craig is like, yeah, I wasn't gonna say anything. Well, Austin, to be real with you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, I was so sorry to interrupt you, but she goes, he asked. She asked me to buy her a ring, and I did. And then he goes like, I went to New York, designed the whole ring, and she said to hold off. So you didn't buy the ring? You liar. You can't make it through two sentences, Craig. So what is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

First of all, the ring didn't mean a Thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Storyteller.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but why? Part of she told me hold off on that ring says that everything was hunky dory, to quote Kathy Hilton.

[Ben Mandelker]

But looking back, maybe that was her starting to panic or freak out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe. Maybe. Hold on, Craig, don't get that ring because I hate you. I think that maybe she doesn't like me.

[Ben Mandelker]

We went to karaoke and she sang a Beyonce song, but I don't remember the words being, if you like it, then you should have put a ring on somebody else because I'm never gonna marry you. Please get that ring away from me. It didn't really even match the music.

[Ronnie Karam]

So he's like. Well, I wasn't gonna say anything because, like, by the way, like, Austin, it's just like, if I had told you, like, no offense, you probably would have told everyone. He's like, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just really weird to mourn someone who's still alive. No, it's not. Do you know how many people I have imaginary funerals for in my head every day? This morning I got back on the elevator with a Starbucks in my hand and said, that poor little girl. Full face of makeup and already dead in line to the Starbucks and the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Big tcby in the sky.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that brings us to the end of Southern Char.

[Ronnie Karam]

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Have you ever wondered how a circus.

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Performer could become the most powerful Woman.

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In the Byzantine Empire.

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Even the Royals is a podcast from.

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Royal families from ancient empires to modern.

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Monarchs, to show you the darker side of what it means to be royalty.

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Before she ruled an empire, Theodora was a teen sensation in circus shows featuring.

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Dancing bears, burlesque performers and blood soaked chariot races. But when her star came crashing down, she clawed her way from rock bottom to the very top, using everything from comedy to espionage to get there.

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Empress Theodora didn't just survive, she revolutionized.

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Women'S rights across the Byzantine Empire, like changing laws to let women divorce men, own property and bring abusive men to justice. For all her work in pioneering, she's.

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Remembered as the most powerful Byzantine empress in history.

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