#2776 RHOBH S1417 Part One: Bird Brained Carnies

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary Episode #2776: RHOBH S1417 Part One: Bird Brained Carnies

Introduction In episode #2776 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the Season 17, Episode 417 of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOBH), titled "Bird Brained Carnies". This two-part recap, released on March 26, 2025, offers listeners an engaging analysis of the tumultuous season finale, highlighting key conflicts, character dynamics, and memorable moments from the show.

Key Conflicts and Events The episode centers around escalating tensions among the RHOBH cast, particularly focusing on Sutton, Erica, Garcelle, and Dorit. The hosts dissect pivotal scenes where alliances are tested, and longstanding grievances come to the forefront.

1. Sutton’s Breakdown and Accusations

   • [07:01] Ronnie recounts how Sutton was blindsided by the realization that Garcelle and Erica might have been orchestrating a coordinated attack against her. He mentions, “I have people that are angry at me.” This revelation sets off a chain of confrontations.
   • [08:00] The discussion highlights a specific moment from the reunion trailer where Dorit Kemsley is depicted as refusing to live on a main road, leading Ronnie to comment humorously, “It's horrifying. How embarrassing.”

2. Social Media Backlash

   • [08:43] Ronnie shares his experience of posting a humorous comment on Bravo’s Instagram about Dorit, which gained significant traction with 669 likes. However, this sparked criticism from fans who felt he was siding against Sutton, leading to a broader discussion on fan reactions and online toxicity.
   • [13:49] The hosts touch upon Twitter's response to Erica's behavior, quoting, “I wish you'd been more interesting, Erica,” and Ronnie remarks on the overwhelming attention Erica has garnered for her actions.

3. Erica’s Confrontations and Public Perception

   • [12:16] Garcelle criticizes Erica's defensive stance, especially regarding her marriage and accusations against others, stating, “You are a piece of shit woman. You're a nasty, nasty character.”
   • [14:05] Erica's lack of genuine sharing and reliance on confrontational tactics are debated, with Garcelle pointing out, “I just find Sutton to be a cat Eyed, evil little baby.”

4. Garcelle’s Role and Integrity

   • [17:00] The hosts commend Garcelle for her straightforwardness and confrontational approach, contrasting her with other cast members who maintain a "wall." Garcelle emphasizes accountability, saying, “You have no idea what you're talking about.”
   • [18:43] Garcelle discusses her own storylines, addressing her purchase of a beach house and her commitment to the group despite conflicts.

Host Opinions and Insights Throughout the episode, Ronnie and Garcelle provide candid opinions on the cast's behavior and the show's dynamics.

• Ronnie expresses empathy for Sutton, recognizing her relatable struggles despite her flawed actions. He states, “I still kind of root for her, even though God, that makes it hard sometimes.”
• Garcelle defends Sutton's position within the group, highlighting her attempts to manage conflicts and maintain friendships, saying, “Without her and Sutton, nobody would have ever called your asses out.”
• Both hosts criticize Erica's inability to handle criticism constructively, with Ronnie noting, “Erica, you have to work on those outbursts.”

Social Dynamics and Group Dynamics The episode delves into the intricate relationships within the group, particularly focusing on:

• Sutton’s Quest for Acceptance: Ronnie analyzes Sutton's deep-seated need to fit in, linking it to potential past insecurities: “She wants to be part of a group because I think it ties back to some sort of high school issue.”
• Erica’s Leadership and Manipulation: Garcelle and Ronnie discuss Erica's manipulative tactics, portraying her as someone who leverages her wealth and influence to control group dynamics. Ronnie remarks, “Erica, you are the only person who saw that went. That’s a career that I want.”
• Dorit’s Defense Mechanisms: Garcelle points out Dorit’s attempts to deflect blame and her role in escalating tensions, stating, “How dare she accuse us of being coordinated.”

Memorable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker: “One of the reasons we love watching Bravo shows is for the luxury.” [00:00]
• Ronnie Karam: “I'm sick of people ask me if I'm okay.” [60:53]
• Garcelle Beauvais: “How dare she accuse us of being coordinated.” [50:27]

Conclusions and Final Thoughts By the end of part one, the hosts underscore the complexity of the relationships within RHOBH, emphasizing the personal growth and challenges faced by each cast member. They highlight the tragicomic nature of reality TV, where personal dramas unfold under public scrutiny, leading to both entertainment and genuine emotional engagement for the audience.

Teasers for Part Two As the episode concludes, Ben mentions, “This is a two-part recap, okay? This is the end of part one.” Listeners are encouraged to return for the continuation, which promises to explore the remaining conflicts and resolutions from the season finale.

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie Karam: “Erica, you are the only person who saw that went. That’s a career that I want.” [48:38]
• Garcelle Beauvais: “You are the only one who married an old, ugly white guy.” [12:22]
• Ronnie Karam: “You never have to have a piece of a cartoon empire, it's just... one of the cool girls can't stick up for you.” [30:17]

Closing Remarks The hosts wrap up part one with their signature humor and camaraderie, reminding listeners of their exclusive content on Patreon and encouraging support through various channels. They maintain a balance between humor and insightful critique, ensuring that both die-hard fans and casual listeners find value in their recaps.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Happens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Ye Old Bravs. I'm Ronnie. That's been over there. Hi, B.N.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Good. How you doing?

[Ronnie Karam]

I am fabulous. You know. Here we are, midweek season finale, Beverly Hills. Very exciting times.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It really is, you guys. A lot of Beverly Hills stuff to talk about. Today. We are on tour. We're in the thick of it right now. The Mountain Hysteria tour. This weekend we are going to be in Washington, D.C. whoa. And then followed by that, we're going to be at the Philadelphia Fillmore. Okay. In Philadelphia and in Washington, we're going to be doing Southern Char. No. Summer house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. And Washington. Washington is Southern charm.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Washington is Southern charm. And then in Philadelphia, we're doing summer house. Okay, you know what? In the following week, we're going to be other places. We're going to be in Boston, Detroit, Chicago. Chicago. Sold out. Sorry. Okay, you know what? You should have got your tickets earlier because it's sold out. But then after, we're going to go to Emos and Austin and the Dallas, Texas theater in Dallas and Las Vegas, which is going to be super, super fun. So get your tickets over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I didn't realize we're going to the Dallas theater or the Texas theater because as I, you know, I love to trumpet this stat that when watch a crappens went to the Texas theater in Dallas back in, I don't know, 2019 or so, we broke the record for the most cocktail served in one night at that theater. And it's the same theater where what's his face was arrested, the guy who assassinated jfk. So there's two notches of history in that theater. One is that they arrested the assassin of jfk. There and two is that watch of crappens sold most drinks ever in one night there. So come be part of history again.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Big hit three, let's repeat history. Come buy a lot of alcohol, but let's not find any murderers. Hopefully.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, no murderers. Welcome.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, so that should be super fun. Also, we're doing white Lotus recaps over on Patreon. We did a catch up just for the the past six episodes, but then we're gonna do recaps for episodes seven and eight. So join Patreon for that. It's also where you get video rec this one. Hi, we're on video.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You might see me throwing my throat directly to the camera to show off my beautiful strep throat, which I've proudly received probably from hug hugging one of you at these meet and greets.

[Ronnie Karam]

I can't think you're recording today with a strep throat. That's wild. I actually dedicated the craft.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm surprised it doesn't hurt more to talk because it hurts like f to swallow. Oh, my God. Knives. Knives, Knives. Okay, I've swallowed knives.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I really do think you should get some Tylenol because that will help. I am very impressed with your resilience right now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, you know what is helping? Ice cream. Good old fashioned creamy creations by H E B. But you know, that's gonna. I'm gonna end up maybe feeling a little bit better for five minutes, but with a bigger muffin top. But guess what? Worth it. Worth it. Worth every calorie creamy creations. Okay, so let's get to it. We are on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season finale. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I. Erica, I got people.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

Go ahead. I'm about to say I have people that are angry at me. Speaking of Beverly Hills.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I don't believe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because yes, it's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You never have people.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's true.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You. I don't believe it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, no, it happens. It happens.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Pretty sure they just didn't get us confused.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well apparent. I have the reputation for being the quote unquote sweet one, the nice one, which is hilarious. But no. So yesterday I didn't even realize that this was season finale because last week ended with a to be continued. And there was no next week on the season finale. And I didn't see any promo over the course of the week saying anything until yesterday late afternoon, there's an article about Jennifer Tilly in the New York Times that said that the season finale was tonight. And I was like, surely they're mistaken. Anyway, the point is this Bravo posted the reunion trailer on their account, on their Instagram account, like, shortly after that. And so I was watching the reunion trailer, which was very good. And there's one part in it where.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Dorit is like, she thinks she's the queen of Sheba. She lives on a main road.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I thought that was so funny. Just be like, she lives on a main road. Like, how horrifying. How embarrassing. And of course, coming from Dorit, of all people who, like, went to, like, the Dollar Tree with a $30,000 and.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Got robbed and literally about to be living on a main road. Like, on the. On the sidewalk, ma'am.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. But it. To me, it was like. It was. So. I literally let out such a laugh because it's such a funny thing to say. So I wrote a comment on the Bravo Instagram, and I. I said something to the effect of. In fact, I have it right here. I said, is, you live on a main road. The new high body count hair, meaning like a. Like a. Like a wild thing that a real housewife would say.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's like a new dess.

[Ronnie Karam]

People did not like that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because they thought that I was. Well, first of all, no, a lot of people did like it. It got 669 likes. So you know what? It was a good comment. It was. It was well received, by and large. But a lot of people interpreted that as me being team Dorit over team Sutton, I believe. I think they thought I was. I was like, good burn, Dorit. And so people are like, but Sutton's house didn't get broken into. Or they would say things like, not even close. Or like, no, you're stupid.

[Dorit Kemsley]

How could you even be saying that?

[Ronnie Karam]

It was supposed to be more like. Supposed to land more like the wallet comment. And they're, like, criticizing me for even finding humor in this moment, to which I say, people, if you don't find that main road joke funny, main road comment funny, you have to. You have to really reconsider because it was hilarious. And I'm going to say that right.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Now, reconsider being a Housewives fan. You know, it doesn't need to be that serious. You guys. Calm.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't have to be on their team. Like, it was hilarious. It was a hilarious, obnoxious comment. So I just loved how many people were.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Were mad at me about Trigger. Yeah, I was reading Facebook comments today just for fun. Just general Facebook comments and. God, people on Facebook are way meaner than they are on other places. I mean, and it's weird because, like, on Reddit Everyone's Team Garcelle, which, you know, kind of aligns with me more, basically. And then you go to Facebook and I'm like, design people are so hateful. Oh, my God. What happened? What happened to Facebook? That used to be a fun place in life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think, like, so, you know, Garcelle left Beverly Hills. She announced it yesterday. And the thing is that I think that, like, everywhere I've seen, people have been, like, largely very supportive of her. There's, like, on Twitter, a lot of people are like, what is Sutton gonna do without Garcelle now? Da, da, da, da. And everyone's like, garcelle should have left. Anyway. So I feel like there's actually been. I've seen a very large groundswell, but I'm not surprised that there are people who are being obnoxious about. About her leaving.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, no one has been more obnoxious than Erica on Watch what Happens Live. And I have to say, Bose, too. Bose didn't have a great performance on that one either. And I've really enjoyed Bose, but turning on her pretty quickly last night because Andy had them both on and said, so Garcelle announced she's leaving. Any reactions? And they both just sat up straight and looked straight ahead and wouldn't speak. And then the audience kind of laughed uncomfortably, and he said, no reactions. And they just stood straight ahead, and he said, come on, Seriously, you're not going to say anything? And Bose was like, well, I hope that she would have stuck it out. And Erica said something. Something like, he does. I can't quote it right. I forgot the quote, but it was something like, he. He does do it, or something like that. And I went on a Reddit thread to see what the she said because it was hard to understand. And basically, people were saying, like, God listens to your prayers or something. And I was like, oh, okay, Erica, God forbid someone asks you about your scammy ass life with Tom Girardi. And then she said, yeah, well, Garcelle had been on watch what happens a couple weeks ago and said that she married for love and Erica married for money. And that was the difference in their marriage. So that was like her shade. And so Andy asked her about that, and Erica said, well, we both married.

[Erika Jayne]

We both married two old, ugly white guys who cheated on us.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And that was like her big diss. I'm sorry, but you are the only one who married an old, ugly white guy. Compare the pictures, ma'am. Compare the pictures to her ex and your ex. Okay? And also maybe compare the Fact that her ex hasn't robbed poor people to fund your stupid, shitty, talentless career. You, Erica, Jane. And I had to remind myself, kind of like you were just talking about, like, you don't need to be this angry. So I just turned off. Watch. Watch what happens. It's like that chick, man, she is. She is vile. She's still vile. See, I just thought, what a cold cookie. You know? I said, I even. I was so angry, I came up with a pop up quote. I was like, that is one cold character.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Twitter has been coming for Erica a lot because, you know, in the. In the trailer for the reunion, there's like something. I don't remember the exact quote, but there's something. Erica says something to Garcelle along the lines of, like, you're boring or you don't have. Like there's. You're not interesting or something.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I wish you had been more interesting.

[Ronnie Karam]

She said, yeah, I wish you'd been more interesting, Erica.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And like, spoken for the freezer section. Like, who are you talking.

[Ronnie Karam]

People online keep on saying people online keep on saying, like, Erica, your storyline this season was wallpaper. And literally that has been like, it's people. Like, if you look up Erica and wallpaper, there are so many tweets about just dragging her about her wallpaper. Like, really, like, your storyline is wallpaper. Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And that was one of the questions on Watch what happens. He said, you know, Sarah from Q's wants to know, how could you call someone boring? You don't share your life or who you're dating and Erica's life.

[Erika Jayne]

I got divorced on this show. I went through my worst period on this show.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Erica, you didn't share about that. All you did was you came on and you lied about it. And then you tried to give Tom an alibi. And then you tried to give Tom a defense by amni. Not amnesia, dyslexia. What am I going for? Dementia? You tried to get Tom off the hook millions of times. Then you said, those poor people, I don't care about them. I only care about myself. I haven't shared shit except stolen money on this show, ma'am. And I hope. Marco, Marco, continue to ground your ass until there is none left. You don't deserve shit, Erica. You are a piece of shit woman. You're a nasty, nasty character.

[Ronnie Karam]

This. The tweets are really funny. I mean, one person named Carbonite says, erica, wallpaper and lines added to your rental. That's interesting. Okay, girl. Someone else says, so glad Erica is telling everyone Garcelle didn't give us anything while she showed us a wallpaper in her rental cas.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. And then another one of her lines is like, you're gonna have to do more than. Than buy a beach house in Bakersfield. You know, and everyone was like, oh, well, you know, better than living in a rental that Rush Limbaugh look alike. Tom Girardi's friend. Got you, Erica.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just so funny that, like, wallpaper has become the thing that has. Like, that has. That has become the symbol of Erica's storyline because she did a lot of things to that casita. But it's like. Like, at the end of the day, though, like, wallpaper somehow, like, just is the concept that somehow summarizes everything that happened in her season, which is what she put up a big old thing to cover up something else.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That was it. That's basically an allegory for her entire time on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

But by the way, I thought Erica had a great season. I thought she had. I thought she was actually like, you know, I enjoyed her this season. And she's. You know, she's villainous. Yes. But I think that. I think that she is good. However, it really. Where I get annoyed with Erica is. Are these moments when she accuses someone of being boring and not sharing, when she really has never truly shared. She's been the brunt of accusations, but she hasn't shared. We still have yet to meet an actual friend of hers outside of this group. Like, we don't know really what. What, like, life is like for her other than, like, stepping into this. This alternate Persona that goes. Or her sons at gay clubs. Yeah, anything, you know, And I think that Garcelle has actually shared quite a bit. And, you know, I think we should have seen the writing was on the wall with Garcelle because she is having some success with her movies, and she's being way shadier in. In her confessionals than ever before. And she already. She always kind of toed that line, but she. She goes there a bit more, especially in tonight's episode. She's just like. You can tell. She's like, I don't care about these people anymore. I'm just gonna be shady now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, to be fair. And I'm sure we'll get to it a million times as the season progresses and especially the reunion. But Garcelle did say stuff that you're gonna have to answer for. I mean, she was saying stuff in her. Her diary room about Dorit faking the robbery, about PK faking the robbery and all of that stuff. So, I mean, of course you're gonna have to answer for it. People are gonna get pissed, and you're gonna have to answer for it. But I just think it's Erica, of all people. Such a hypocrite. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Now, is Garcelle's personal life sharing because.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Erica got in trouble for yelling at her son, which you should have in the first place, and sending all those bots after her with Rena and Diane and. Or Diana? I mean, come on now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, is Garcelle's personal storylines.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Are they.

[Ronnie Karam]

Are they boring? Yes.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yes, they are. We know you've listened to these recaps, but.

[Ronnie Karam]

But Garcelle is great. And she. She's the only one who says the things that we are thinking. Sutton sudden sort of goes there, but she usually hedges. But Garcelle. Garcelle says them, and she. She confronts in a way that no.

[Dorit Kemsley]

One else does on the show.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so I agree. Miss. For sure.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I agree that her story, you know, her storylines aren't that fascinating. You know, we make fun of, like, oh, wow, did you buy a beach house? Because for the first six episodes, it was like, I'm so proud that I bought a beach house. You know, like, we've made those comments, too. But to say that that makes her boring is silly. I mean, she calls your ass out, and that's certainly not boring. Without her and Sutton, nobody would have ever called your asses out. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I didn't think everyone needs to have a compelling story happening, you know, on the side. Like, I remember when Rena's first season, I loved Rinna, her first season, and people would say, but she's got nothing going on. That's why she has to do. That's why she has to go and, like, ask questions about the Richard sisters. She's got nothing going on. I'm always like, that's fine.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I don't need you to.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't need to focus on the boring side of your life just because it's. To show that you have something else going on outside the show. I care more about how you. How you mix it up with the women and how you interact with the women. And then if there's something interesting going on in your personal life, then great, show it. But, like, you know, I don't necessarily need to sit and watch scenes of people making tomato sauce or renovating a home in Oxnard.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I'm okay with it. But the point is, I'm okay with Garcelle having a boring storyline as long as she's like, good with the women.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, she brings it in the scenes. So, okay, well, that's. That. That's a nice, good referendum. But here we are with episode season 14, episode 17, a Caribbean send off. So we're in St. Lucia. We're still on the boat ride from hell. Sutton is standing there with her Sutton hat screaming out a window. What c words all these ladies are. And now she's sitting there waiting for somebody to come comfort her.

[Erika Jayne]

And Jennifer Tilly comes over with a glass of water. She's like, here, sweetie, here's the water.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Not gonna living anything today. I'm useless today. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's okay. So Sutton is still just, like, going through it. And then meanwhile, Erica goes swimming.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You know, she's like, I'm the only one, okay? The only water in the world that I get into. I don't even go in the Mediterranean, okay? This water. Caribbean water. Caribbean. I don't do Atlantic. I don't do Pacific. I only do Caribbean.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, well, thank you for your Yelp review on seas of the world. Oceans and seas of the world.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Erica just here to remind us that she's been to every sea in the world, you know, on poor people's backs. So she's like, well, the Pacific, you.

[Erika Jayne]

Know, that was at home. I don't go to the Atlantic. We got a few trips there off a few burn victims. And, you know, I've been to the Caribbean a few times.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's the warmest water.

[Erika Jayne]

And that came from royalties off a gas explosion.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So it's been. It's been a great trip around the world. So she's swimming in the water, and Bose and Garcelle are talking. And Garcelle's like, well, she looks beautiful, but who's going in if somebody. Somebody pulls her under, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And then Eric is just still paddling along.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You guys are lame.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm the only one out here.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Garcelle is like, well, sudden. Hates her now. And Buzz like, well, yes, Sutton hates everybody now. And then they just kind of, like, laugh. And we go back to Sutton, who's like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

It's like Satan came on the boat.

[Ronnie Karam]

And said, this is why you're in hell. Let me just remind you.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, thank you, Satan, because I forgot.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Forgotten.

[Ronnie Karam]

I forgot she said that. And reading it back, it's so perfectly sudden and over dramatic. I love her.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Kyle is now swimming with her. And do we standing on the little boat dock doing that. Like, I'm just a Goyle. How am I supposed to be expected to swim.

[Erika Jayne]

It's terrifying.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm a Goyle. But she does, she does a very poor dive into the water and then, and Kyle's like, oh my God, I'm not even going to buy you a Birkin if you get in. Ha ha. Reference to a great season. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Dorit Kemsley]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Dorit Kemsley]

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[Dorit Kemsley]

Know what it's kind of like when you're on a fox hunt and the dogs find the fox and then they're all surrounding the fox and then yep, yep, yep. And the fox is like, oh my God, there's too many of you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And son's like, well, that's how they.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Fight a bunch of foxes on a hunt. From Satan.

[Ronnie Karam]

Satan, Foxes.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Jennifer's like, well, I'm not surprised that Erica is, like, criticizing Saturn.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we see flashbacks of. Of that. And Jennifer's like, I can see both.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Sides, but, you know, obviously, I'm Satan's friend, and I. I. So I'm going to have Sutton's back, and I'm not going to be like, eric is right. You need to. But you need to examine your own behavior, little missy, because I'm on her side.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, I'm really kind of astonished at how much girls don't like you, Sutton.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thanks a lot, Jennifer. Make me feel a lot better.

[Ronnie Karam]

A lot better. So meanwhile, back to Bose and Garcelle. Bose is like, how are we supposed to be a group if you have two people that are on ice? How does that actually work? And Garcelle is like, well, let's see. Am I right? She's like, girl. She's like, well, let's just see what that looks like. I'll just say it again, so that way you can take the next line. Well, is that the chairman's reserve talking? Yes, it is.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, hold on. Let me give some response to this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now they're back, and the boat comes back and everything, and they get all. They get off and everything, and. And now they're gonna go back to the. They're gonna go back to the hotel. And now it's time for a glam montage where they're all sitting in their chairs, and Kathy is. She's. She's setting up her own station and doing her whole, like, everything to her face. And it's very exciting for all of them.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Kathy's iconic moment today, just from a breathless, gay point of view. Kathy eats Cheetos. Oh, my God. Tell your friends about it. To, like, close up on those Cheetos. We need America to know the. Kathy eats Cheetos. So she's just walking around eating her Cheetos?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So Bose is like, well, tonight I'm going for a super celebration.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Nico.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Nico's like, mm. Cause we are going to do a birthday dinner for Erica and Dorit. Nico, are you bedazzling the wall?

[Dorit Kemsley]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, then do it, because I want everything bedazzled in here. So she's basically like. Bose is like, well, morale is low after. After earlier today. And she's like, I just want to. Just want to make things fun. And so they're gonna go to the beach because a whole bunch of vendors there. There's jewelry, there's food. There's a Still. Still still drum band. So it's going to be like a whole big fun bazaar.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

One of my favorite things about this episode is they keep saying things like, well, it was a rough day. And then it just keeps cutting back to Sutton going, what do you want from me? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? Sutton losing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So, yeah, they're going to go basically street shopping. So she's like, I want to reflect the energy of St. Lucia. So then we go to get Sutton's hair done, and she's with Jennifer, and.

[Erika Jayne]

She'S like, well, do you think you're gonna be able to have a good time tonight?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And she's like, well, as long as I can stay away from those two. Those two people, I think I'm a terrible person. Which I'm not.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll be fine.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just wanted. I just wanted to restate that I'm not a terrible person. Sutton, you are so immature. It's painful to watch. Sutton. I love it. I love when Sutton's unhinged because there's nobody in their right mind who can stick up for Sutton, you know? And that's why you gotta love Sutton. She's just so helplessly awful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, like, I am. I love Sutton, and I'm. I'm actually. I'm fully on her side. But I also think it's hilarious that she has no sense of accountability of, like, her contributions to this entire situation, because the truth is, she did, like, she was part of this. She did start up a fight with Zarita in the beginning of the season, right after she made this whole thing about sisterhood, and she did call Zarita bitch in her home, and she, like, she. She is part of this as well. But I just. But, like, at the end of the day, she's just funnier when she's mad. So I'm just gonna take her side because I think losing.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She's just so immature. And, you know, it's like when there's a baby on the plane. You know, nobody wants a baby on the plane. And then inevitably, the baby starts crying. And you. You see people turn around and give a dirty look to the baby, and you're like, God, I want that to be me. I want to turn around and give a dirty look to the baby. But ultimately, you. You have to blame the moment, Mom. So I say, let's just bring Reba to the. Bring Reba to the reunion and let's excoriate her. This is where I just find. I just find Sutton to be a cat Eyed, evil little baby, you know, where she just hasn't matured to the point where I can blame her yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I, I, I love to blame the mom. Although sometimes it's, it's also fair, like at some point the kid gets a little bit of some of it. Because when we were flying to Toronto two weeks ago, there was like this awful child in front of you who you didn't really get to, you didn't really see what, how awful the child was because they were right in front of you. But because I was across the aisle, I had a diagonal view and this kid was probably like 3 years old and incessantly kicking the seat in front of her. And she was pulling down the tray, up and down, up and down, and she's being loud, she was screaming, she was making so much noise. And the mom, like, the mom eventually handled it, but like she couldn't handle it because there were, there were logistical reasons why the mom couldn't handle it. But the mom was also just not saying anything or doing anything. And this, this kid was being wild. At one point the kid was also like, every time she did something wild, she would smile, like, look at me. At one point she smiled and she looked back at me and I gave this child the meanest death stare. And of course I was wearing a mask, so it was like a death stare across of a mask. And she like, was smiling at me and she like locked eyes with me and then she was like smiling and then she realized I was like staring at her with like rage and her smile just kind of like, like just sort of drooped down. And I was like, in my mind I was like, yeah, you don't look, you get, you, you stop kicking that seat. And it was like, it felt great, it felt great to be like, I am going to shame this child on some level for kicking that seat so much.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Name him. Name him.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was giving her full on sudden energy. I was like, what you have done to me, young child? I am gonna squint at you. I am gonna squint.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I'm not gonna say anything, I'm just gonna squint.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

But at about, you know, 50 years and $300 million, you would have been like, oh my God, you are iconic. You'd have been like filming.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, she's just too young to act like this. She hasn't earned her bad behavior, but.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Once she does, you haven't earned this yet, ma'am. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. You're just a three year old.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Erica is like, oh my God.

[Erika Jayne]

You Know, in the sense of sisterhood. I thought we could bring everything to the table, so I said what I had to say on the boat. But, you know, I don't have any ill wills. All of a sudden, I'd like for Sutton to acknowledge what's going on, and that's it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, Erica, you want an apology? You're not going to get a fucking apology. Your news story was everywhere. They had to bring it up. Nobody else had the guts to bring it up. And she brought it up, period. That's the end. And guess what? You handled it terribly. And you look like a fucking asshole. And the only reason you've had a good this, a good season this year is because you shut your mouth. And now you're ruining it all at the end. No one feels for you, Erica. Okay? Nobody.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and also, don't forget that they set Sutton up to be the sacrificial lamb, because they all talked about it behind Erica's back to read and Kyle, everyone. And Sutton was the one who asked the questions. And they all just stood back there like, oh, my God, that's crazy. And so sudden took the brunt of it. And sudden was not really the best, like, person, because she didn't really ask the questions with conviction. She just was trying to be nice about it. So then Erica, of course, saw sense weakness and then attacked. But the truth is that that Erica, for as much as she talks about being open and honest and discussing it all, she certainly did not like it when people were asking her questions about something that was happening that was very much in her life and needed to be addressed. And yeah, it was just all.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And the other ones did ask her. I mean, Dorit and Kyle did get their licks in there, but Erica doesn't go to that because they still are part of that final. The Final 5, the Fox Force 5 or whatever, you know, so that's. They're still writing that. So Jennifer Tilly's like.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, it almost seemed very rehearsed because Erica was like. Like a lawyer in a court that all of their points prepped out. I think there's an alliance between some of the ladies. And when Erica and Dorito after one person and they dovetail together, I think they planned it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so now Erica is. We see a flashback of their confrontation. And so Jennifer's like.

[Dorit Kemsley]

It just seems like they had discussed it beforehand. And, like, it's kind of like a little sassy spacked up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So then, by the way, they did discuss it beforehand. We saw it on the show. So they don't like to call it. We planned it. Like, they didn't say, okay, you say this, and then I'm gonna say this. But they did sit down. They were like, that chick, she can do whatever she wants. Why should. I mean, they talked about it, and then they went and did it. So I don't understand what the big accusation is that's so offensive to Erica later on in the episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, now, to be fair, we also saw Sutton and Garcelle literally plan a confrontation about Morgan Wade. So, you know, like, I'm not gonna say what goes around comes around, but it's not like Sutton is so innocent on this front either. Of course, their confrontation failed because Sutton didn't do her part of the confrontation, but.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, I think in both situations, it's natural to talk to your friends about who you're pissed off about and then.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. And say, you know what? Back me up. Do this. I mean, so much of the show is like, back me up when I say this. Literally, Sudden's whole gripe is that she wants that backup. So, yeah. So either way, they think that. That there's a coordinated attack and everything. Meanwhile, Kathy has announced that she's gonna wear a short snow T shirt to the beach thing tonight, which is hilarious, because ultimately, they all go out to this beach wearing these big, beautiful, flowy dresses, and Kathy's just in a green T shirt and shorts and a little hat, which is like, that's the sign of true wealth right there. She's like, I don't. I don't have to bother. I don't have to flaunt any My wealth. I'm just gonna wear a T shirt. A free T shirt, probably.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. So Garcel goes to Sutton, and she's like, hi. I just. I hope you're feeling better. I just wanted to mention. I don't know if you noticed, but Kyle didn't stand up for you today. Wow. Wow. What do you think of that? And she's like, well, you know, we had a really good weekend in Augusta. You remember she ate a carb. She ate a carb for me in that restaurant. She didn't have to do that. I thought we were going to be best friends forever, you know?

[Dorit Kemsley]

So to be so set back with Kyle, I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've had enough. I've never had anyone come to me and say, I would really like to apologize to you. I was tough on you. Never. They want to break me. They've been wanting to break me for years. Let the mouse go. And then we have this Amazing montage of them just yelling at Sutton, scolding her and yelling her. And then when it's not like just like the typical 1, 2, 3, beat. It was like a long and endless montage that turned into a mosaic on the screen. And it went on for. It had to be, like, 10 minutes. It was just going and going. I was like, shut up, Sutton.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You be quiet. You don't know what you're talking about. Sutton.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sutton, why would you think. You're being such a fucking bitch? And she's like, in every clip. It was fantastic.

[Erika Jayne]

Be quiet, Miss Small Town. I'm worried about my motherfucking reputation. Now, you shut up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And then Erica gets into her. Dixon, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Erika Jayne]

Nothing.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Shut up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, you talk out of both sides of your mouth, too. You know what?

[Ronnie Karam]

Fuck you. And also, how are you?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Fuck you.

[Ronnie Karam]

How are you? So they are. We just see. It goes on for so long that, like, as I scroll through the flashbacks, it's taking, like, you know, as long to scroll through them as it does to actually, you know, watch it. So then Sutton's like, I just don't want to do it anymore. You know, I just can't do this. So Garcelle's like, well, I'm not saying sudden is innocent. I mean, has Sudden put her foot in her mouth with this group? Absolutely. And then they kind of, like, go all the way back, and they're like, by the way, here's the greater context for all those clips. We see Sutton being horrible in each situation right beforehand.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is also great. It's very Rashavan.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, it's very good. So then Garcelle's like, you know, but when she's angry, she feels like she's being cornered. And I just need montage of Sutton literally in the corner being like, name up. Name up. Name of. Name. Name, name, name, name, name. So Jennifer comes in to talk to Garcelle, and she's like, what happened?

[Erika Jayne]

I saw him running into the bedroom.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And she's like, oh, we just talked about the boat, you know, Now Kyle's not supporting her like she supports Kyle. I mean, I don't know where that came up. Maybe one of the makeup people said it. I don't. I don't remember. Oh, hold on. Do you have. Just let me leave a voice message for Sutton really quick. Hi, Sutton. I just wanted to send you my support while you're getting your makeup on, and just wanted to note that Kyle's not supporting you right now. As you get your makeup done. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you. Hi, Sutton, this is Garcelle. I have a message from you. You need to just trust this process and just fall backwards. Fall backwards into a trust fall. Okay. I heard you just crashed onto the floor. Notice that Kyle was not there to have your back.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Garcelle is like, you know, Jennifer's.

[Erika Jayne]

Saying, well, it seems like Sutton just really wants Kyle to like her, and she's like, duh.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So then Garcelle saying, you know, she'd rather be loyal to Erica and Dorit before she is to Sutton. But Sutton refuses to see that Kyle is this way. And Jennifer's like, it's like a bad.

[Erika Jayne]

Relationship or a bad marriage. You think that they've accepted the apology and you've moved on and you're in a different place. And then to have it all thrown back in your face and not even get a piece of a cartoon empire, it's just very hurtful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and I think that's, like, one thing that, like, is definitely with sudden is the fact that she will have an, like, a hysterical outburst, you know, because when she's cornered, she lashes out, and then she thinks that she has mended things and everything's okay, and then it turns out nothing is mended and they attack her again. And that is frustrating. Although, maybe work on the outburst, too. Again, I just. This comes from a place of love because I love Sutton. She's my favorite on the show. But she could work on those outbursts. Although, don't worry, because then. Then you're not gonna be as good on the show.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, Sutton's just ridiculous. It's her reaction to everything that's a problem. I mean, Sutton could handle these people so easily if she was just like, you know, look how Jennifer Tilly handles it later. She just handles Erica fine. And Erica was thinking she's having, like, a big Dynasty moment. Like, now.

[Erika Jayne]

Who said it? You or you? Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but unfortunately, I'm carrying the weight of all these hundred thousand dollar bags right now, and I don't have time to worry about it. Poor person. I'll donate to Planned Parenthood or something later. Any charity that you would like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, the problem. I think the issue for Sutton is that at the core of it, Kyle is kind of the queen bee of the cool girls in her mind, you know, like the Fox Force Five. They are a clique. And. And it's not that Kyle is more famous because. Because Garcelle is more famous than Kyle. And then it's like, it's not that, like, Kyle is so rich because Jennifer is. Is wealthier. It's just that, like, they have this click on the show. And I think that Sutton carries some damage from, like, high school or middle school where she wasn't in with, like, the popular group. And she just wants to be accepted. And she feels like I'm doing all the things I'm. I'm cute, I'm fun. Like, I'm. I'm being. I'm bringing them nice things, like, why can't I ever be truly part of this group? And that's all she wants, is to be part of a group, because I think it ties back to some sort of high school issue.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's like a void that is just not going to be fulfilled. And the thing is, what she doesn't realize is that for the past few years, Sutton. Sutton has been actually in the center of the group that we, the audience, has found to be the cooler one. You know, when it was Garcelle, Sutton and Crystal. And then this year it's Garcelle Sutton and Jennifer Tilly. Like, that is the group that we, as the audience love and would want to hang out with more. And she doesn't realize that she actually has it all. But I think her own damage was.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Getting, well, maybe a portion of the audience. But, you know, then you look at her adult life, and she was. She became rich, you know, because she was married, really rich. Not saying she didn't deserve that, but it's like her husband is incredibly rich. So she had access to all these things where she was basically going to, like, the Elton John, you know, Oscar party every year, and then giving tickets to people like Lisa Rinna to try and kind of buy their friendship and be a part of the cool group. And then finally she did it enough where she. Rinna suggested her as someone to be on the show. So then finally she got into this show and she was always kind of looked at the joke on this show by all the people. It's like you're wealthy, but you're not. Like. Like, no one's going to pretend you're a cool girl. You know what I mean? And so she never really. She's just never gotten it. And how much money does a woman have to pay to be considered a cool girl? But it's not. You know, at the end of the day, you still have to be a likable person. And she breaks down at every given opportunity and acts like a child. So I don't know. One thing I really like about Sutton is that she does it all to herself. And as someone who creates my own problems, like, generally, I'm my own worst enemy in life. Every problem I've ever had has been my fault, pretty much. It's not that I've never been victimized, but maybe I could have handled things better to where I could have lessened the damage. You know, I'll give myself that. But for the most part, I create all of my own problems, and it's a lot to do with attitude and emotion over emotionally taking things. So I see where Sutton's coming from. So I still kind of root for her, even though. God, that makes it hard sometimes.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, but that's what also makes her totally relatable, because as so many of us do that and so many of us have, like, emotional moments. And to see her not be able to control her emotions on the show has always been the most appealing part. Not because it's funny to, like, laugh at her because she embarrasses herself, but because it's like she's being. She's very real. I think that she, like, can't control herself, whereas the other women, you sort of, you know, like, you do feel like there is a wall up with Kyle and Erica and Dorit to a certain extent. I mean, they do let it out. They let their wall down. They are emotional. But that. But it's not the same degree. And that's why a sudden is so appealing. And that's why, honestly, someone like Bethany Frankel, for as annoying and awful as she's become, she will always be compelling tv because she can't help but be herself. Like, she can't. She can' airs because she's always going to be a gaping wound. And so Sutton is so relatable in that sense. And. And she'll never be one of the cool girls because. Because she is. She does not have that. She doesn't have that vibe. Right? Like, she is too fragile. She is, like, at best, she's going to be like the. The sidekick to the cool girls, but she'll never be in the. In that rarefied air. And. And she wants it so badly. So, so badly.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. Oh, well, commercials.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Garcelle Beauvais]

So the lady is gathered now in Bose's villa. But of course Sutton's not there because she's being a div. She's like, I'm eternally time. I need time. I need time to think about how I have been.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And excoriated by this group of women. Please just give me time and suppose.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is like, well there something the matter?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Where is she? And Jennifer's like, well, there's a glitch in the Matrix.

[Ronnie Karam]

Actually kind of the perfect way to summarize. Like sudden having a pre dinner breakdown. It's like there was a glitch in.

[Erika Jayne]

The Matrix and Kami Reeves was there and Sut said, keanu, do you want to have lunch? And he said, no, you're not cool enough. She's very, very upset.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Fun fact. I was in a feature film that was directed by the directors of the Matrix. So what have you guys been doing lately?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Sutton, they're just like saying that she's upset and Erica's like, so Sutton.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Is not there because her feelings got hurt. All I did was Ask the question. You know, remember that how you guys just used to ask me questions.

[Ronnie Karam]

Erica, this, this garage tour that you've been on this season is getting real old real quickly. I mean, I'm allowed to keep a grudge. Like, I love keeping a grudge on, like, I will hold a grudge for years and years on this podcast. But, but if you're on a reality show, you gotta, the, the grudges have to move. You gotta move on, move on.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, especially when the questions she's referring to were about Tom moving all of his $20 million into Erica's LLC for her stupid, pointless career when she can't even sing on key. You know what I mean? And she's like, but are you blindsided? And why is the paper saying that $20 million went into your LLC? Have you had any discussions with attorneys about the story? And this is what Erica's so worried about. Sorry, you're mad at the wrong person, lady. Be mad at you. It's be mad at yourself for spending all that money.

[Ronnie Karam]

I honestly, like, I'm a little offended, Ronnie, that you would say that. Erica can't even sing, because last time I checked, she sounded pretty good during her warm ups.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I saw a clip of her doing Chicago because she's back in Chicago now. Her dancing and her movement and her look is so good. She looks great doing the, you know, but then this is her voice. I was like, no, you can't do that, guy. I'm sorry, but no, I mean, if she can have a career just doing, if she can get a career just doing, like, hand movement, like Fosse hand movement. She's got it. She killed it. And she looks great. But please be quiet, for Christ.

[Ronnie Karam]

I, I, I honestly, you know, I, I make a joke about this a lot, about how Erica has, like, been doing the same stick as a musician for, like, 10 years on this show. And I like, like, no, no art, like, no recording artist, no, like, pop artist or anyone that in the, in the lane that she's trying to be in. No one does that. People switch it up, they change it up. They change up their vibe, they change up their style, they change up their look. And she's, like, committed to this one thing and is like, no, it's gonna work. And I'm just like, why doesn't she do something? Why doesn't she do, like, a burlesque tour? I think she would kill it with burlesque just based off, you know, what you were saying. She looks amazing. She feels very burlesque adjacent. She should do, like, the whole, like, what Dita Von Teese was doing, you know, go and just do that. Like, lean into your strengths, like the. The still trying to do this whole Erika Jane thing. I mean, yeah, she's getting success from it because she's on this show, but, like, it just feels like she's just so resistant to lean into to. To what she's strongest at.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Erica Jane is just one of those people who saw Angeline driving around in her pink, you know, Mustang or whatever. It was a. Oh, convertible, right? Is it a Corvette? What does she drive around?

[Ronnie Karam]

Corvette? Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. Her, like, pink Corvette driving around West Hollywood, opening her trunk and selling T shirts to the gays, you know, and having her rich husband pay for billboards around town that say, Angeline, Erica's the only person who saw that went. That. That's a career that I want. That's. That's. That's what I want to do. And she's still doing it to this very day. So we get back to the scene, and Erica's like, sorry for asking questions, and Jennifer Tilly says, well, she felt.

[Erika Jayne]

Like everyone was attacking her. You know, Erica started saying about the problems that the group has with her, and then, you know, you jumped in quite a little bit, Dorit. And it just seemed like maybe it was a coordinated effort, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Oh. So we planned that. This is insulting. I observed something. I said it, bottom line, to a face, and now the fact. Well, I said it to a face after I said to a lot of people beforehand, but then now the fact that your friend is upstairs stomping her feet and won't come to dinner, and no one coordinated this. Oh, I don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I don't need to rally the troops. I know what happened to me, and I know what happened to Kyle, and I know what happened to Dorit, and it's not a coordinate attack. It's my opinion.

[Ronnie Karam]

She seems way more invested in getting to the bottom of this stupidity than she does in terms of the situation with. With, you know, her husband and the fraud and the victims.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah. The only part she's offended at is the coordinated part.

[Erika Jayne]

She's, like, calling me coordinated. Have you seen me rehearse?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you. You're the one that said it. Also seemed like Dorit said the exact same thing at the same time. And she's like, dorit, can you get in here, please? She's like, I'm coming.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Sutton thinks that what I said today. That. When. When you said today.

[Erika Jayne]

When.

[Dorit Kemsley]

What you said today. That that was a coordinated attack.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Coordinated attack?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Yes. It's almost like you knew exactly what I was going to say.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like I knew exactly what you were going to say.

[Dorit Kemsley]

It's almost like we had written the things down, and I said part A and you said part B. How dare she was to say that. How dare she accuse us of being coordinated.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

How dare she?

[Dorit Kemsley]

But first of all, I don't want to fight Sutton's battles for her. She's my friend, so I feel for her. I just think that she. She's spiraling right now because she felt ganged up on.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we see Sutton spiraling because she got ganged up on in her.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Makeup chair, and she said, I have been ganged upon. And her hairstylist is like, I know, I know, I know. Sutton, she's good.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I've been beat up enough today.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I've been. Today. She's, like, twitching. So then we go back to Bose, and Garcel steps up to defend Sutton. Now, she goes, well, you know, she just feels like she's been picked on ever since she joined this group. And Erica's like, oh, yeah?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, she's giving it as good as she's gotten it.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, you know, sudden conditions, but she cannot take it. Heaven forbid you put a mirror in front of her face, and she either becomes an immediate victim or becomes borderline evil.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know what?

[Dorit Kemsley]

Gee, it's nauseating.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I agree with her to a point. I mean, Sutton can't take it, but neither can you. Do, like, you're fine with calling her an alcoholic, and you're fine with mocking her relentlessly, but the second she says, says you're a. You act like, oh, my God, like you haven't been calling people the C word all season. You act like, oh, my God, when am I gonna get my fifth apology for this? So come on.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and think of all the times that Garcelle was trying to get through to Dorit last season and the season before about things that Dorit said that were maybe problematic or, like, that offended Garcelle, and. And Dorit would be like, I'm allowed to defend myself.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I don't know why you're coming at me like this. Everyone says the word attack. I mean, I. I didn't talk about that. That.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so, like you say, I don't.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Know how to treat minorities. They raise me children. I pay them very well.

[Dorit Kemsley]

My mother has a friend who is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not white, so I've given a.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

A minority a stick with the cloth at the end to dip into a bucket. And drip all over my kitchen floor. Now, that's not love.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Gar's like, well, I'm not saying she's a wallflower. I'm not saying she's innocent. I've never said she was innocent. But you also expect her to be perfect.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And she's like, well, nobody expects anyone to be perfect.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she just. By the way, Kyle, she wants some blind loyalty from you. And Kyle's like, kyle thought she was. She. Kyle thought she was on easy street. She had nothing to do with this argument. And she just suddenly got dragged in out of nowhere. And she's like, this is like, so crazy. Because it was like, Erica's argument and, like, now it's my fault. Hello. I had three lines on ER once. I don't know how. How I could be at fault for here.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, it's like that. She goes, yeah, you know, well, Garcelle and Sutton are both her closest friends, and they just stick up first. So, I mean, what do you want? What do you want? You guys are so close and you stay quiet, but it's on me. Come on, it's a joke. Let's. Let's go to dinner. I'm done with this. So she storms off.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I like, because Garcelle's reasoning is like, I didn't stand up for her because I was already in an argument with her, but you guys are in a fresh argument with her, so you guys have to deal with your fresh argument before we get to my argument with her. So that's it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And then Erica is like, well, don't.

[Erika Jayne]

You remember what Sutton did to Kyle?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And we get to flashback of this horrible thing that Sutton did where she asked Kyle to share about her personal life because she's not wearing her wedding ring, which she was purposely not wearing to get people to ask her about her life so that she could cry and freak out that people asked her about her life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Erica's like, why should Kyle be loyal to sudden.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Explain that to me, Garcelle, what is the rationalization behind this? I'd like to know.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then everyone, they're now going to start walking off to the this beach experience, etc, and they get there and they start. There's like, lots of people and vendors and it's really looks really fun. And they're all browsing around, but Sutton's still back at the villa and she's like, okay, I decided to come to dinner tonight for a couple of reasons. Number one, I have a very cute outfit that I don't want to waste number two, you.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I will not let these women get.

[Ronnie Karam]

The best of me, even though all they do is honestly get the best of me. I'm going to show them that you didn't break me. I'm still here. I am not broken. I am just very lightly taped together with not even good tape, like painter's tape. The condoms will come off really easily. So at dinner, you'll see me fall apart.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm gonna show these women that I'm strong, and I'm gonna do it by walking up to every booth in here and doing this.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then I'm gonna sit at that table, and I'll be on the borderline of tears the entire time, because that's.

[Dorit Kemsley]

That is.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is the manifestation of my strength.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So she is taken down there. Everybody else is shopping, and Jennifer Tilly sees her first and goes and hugs her, and she.

[Erika Jayne]

I'm in a shopping frenzy. Hey, person. Once you have the words of toxic influence needs, whatever that is. Oh, I'm sorry. You're making Sutton back away. Okay, we need it to be a little bit less strong than that. I need something to actually be able to stay in the room.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, here's a lava rock.

[Erika Jayne]

No.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Well, she's actually already pretty much a volcano. Do you have anything maybe more soothing? Okay, Saturn, I'm gonna get this for you because it wards up negative energy, and you really need to put it on. And I'm going to get the tiger eye for me. How much is for both of these?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

80 bucks, by the way. No, you guys need to haggle. They saw you coming from a mile off. 80 bucks for a tiger's eye necklace? Come on, rip off.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Sutton's like, well, I'm not going to need a crystal bracelet.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't need any armor because I'm not planning on fighting tonight. Just almost crying instead.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So, Sutton, I went over to go say hi. Wait, I'm sorry, that's not. I'm reading the wrong person.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is that a person walking by on the beach? Hello, person saying.

[Erika Jayne]

I went over to go say hi to Bills. And we walked in the room, and I kind of felt like we were ambushed, you know? And I said, well, Sutton's a little bit upset. She goes, what? Why did you say that?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I was gonna play cool tonight. I mean, look at me, just playing it cool.

[Ronnie Karam]

I have to say, Garcelle and. And Jennifer are kind of riling sudden up. Every time she comes down, they do. Like, you know, Garcelle was like, well, you seem calm. Now, let me just remind you that Kyle didn't get back. Okay, great. See, it's not a dinner.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I know, but they're also doing what she demands, which is sticking up for her. So they're like, okay, while you were away, here's how we stuck up for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, so Jennifer's, like, stood up, Stood up.

[Dorit Kemsley]

You know, they were all standing there looking at me like, what's going on? And, like, they just started saying, like, she can dish it out, but she can't take it, and, like, she can hear it and everything. And everybody got really riled up.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Sutton's like, well, what have I dished out? You know? And then Kyle interrupts, and Kyle's like. And Son's like, well, I'm sorry. It's difficult for y'all to understand that.

[Dorit Kemsley]

If I needed to go to a happy place, everybody else wants to talk about me because I can't get a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Girl, go up to her makeup chair.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And be in peace for once in my life.

[Erika Jayne]

Kyle.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, but Garcelle and Jennifer Lawless.

[Erika Jayne]

I don't offend you, so what's that about?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She goes, okay, are we gonna sit.

[Erika Jayne]

Down and do this?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Are you gonna attack me right in the middle of a. In the middle of a mall? Okay, this is. This is a mall. Okay, do you want to find a. A St. Lucia Sabaro to yell at me at? Would that make you happier?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm just telling you that today, like, Erica, like, that was her issue with you and like, that, like, you'll go after people at their lowest moment. And do.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And do you think that's true?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, the. Well, the reason I kept my mouth.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Do you think that's true?

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me finish.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Do you think that's true?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold on. You have to let me finish. Hold on one second. Do you think there's a fedora over there? I need the fedora. Stop it. I'm an actress. Jamie Lee Curtis. I know her. She won an Oscar. So I won an Oscar. Stop it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Do you. And she's like, why does. Why does Sutton have to repeat things? And then we see. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. 10 seconds earlier. Do you think that's true? Do you think that's true? Do you think that's true?

[Ronnie Karam]

They can't do name them, because they already did it, like, 10 seconds ago in a different mod. Like, a lot of the sun's greatest hits are coming out. Kyle's like, yes, we do think it's true. Okay, yes, we do think it's true. Yes, we do think it's true. I've got four more to go. See what I did there? So Kyle was for me. It was for me last year. I mean, okay, so I didn't speak up on purpose because you're my friend and I loved you, and I love you, and I didn't want to have to go against you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, I'm here. I am being pummeled, so thanks for being such a good friend. Kyle, who dislikes her. What a woman get pummeled by sbaro Insane Lucia.

[Erika Jayne]

Thank you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everybody. Okay. Everybody has their moments of being pummeled. Oh, no, no. Five years ago. Five years has been a long time with this group of women.

[Dorit Kemsley]

Okay?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And she's like, yeah, but you're not. What? You're not the only person who's gone through moments, okay? It's like, well, I'm talking about myself right now. Okay? So she's like, oh, wow. So now it's about Kyle. Right? Right. Of course it is. Of course it's about Kyle now. Like, she hasn't seen me get pummeled. She haven't seen me get pummeled. She hadn't seen me get pummeled. Sorry. You know, if you're too absorbed to see. Self absorbed to see. This is about me, we have a serious problem.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, sun's right. Kyle is not. Kyle has gotten heat. There's been confrontations, but Kyle has not been pummeled. Like, Kyle has not had people like. Like, dorit yelled at Kyle this season. But there's not been, like, the. The pile on that Kyle. Kyle has been part of so many different pylons over the years.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hold up a freeway grammar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she. She could. Exactly. But she really is not. She's not had to endure.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, but to hear her say it, she would say, I've been pummeled all season by the whole cast. Asking me about Morgan.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She considers that humbling questions are different from pummeling. So I don't want to do this tonight, Kyle. And Carl's like, well, don't do it tonight. She's like, well, I'm. I can't. Well, I would leave, but I can't. She's like, well, don't do it. Well, I'm not in a position right now to do this. Well, then we're not doing it. What are you guys talking about?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just don't want every single person on this beach walking up to me and saying, are you okay? The pop up Kathy, she's like, you okay? Everything okay, sweetheart?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sick of people ask me if I'm okay. Are you okay? She's like, well, I just don't want.

[Dorit Kemsley]

To be one of the Barbie dolls.

[Ronnie Karam]

And look at the.

[Dorit Kemsley]

And not be.

[Ronnie Karam]

Be bothered. Damn it.

[Dorit Kemsley]

I was gonna say bother. Why'd you have to finish that line for me, Kathy, everyone.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, she's saying, I just want to be one of these Barbie dolls. Can I just be a Barbie doll for a night? She goes, okay, well, you look like one. She's. Well, thank you. That's all I wanted. Well, happy you came. You know, Barbie had a mental breakdown too. Just so you know. I saw the film. She did get a vagina at the end. So that was fun. Hello there.

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