#2777 RHOBH S1417 Part Two: Bird Brained Carnies

Summary

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Title: Watch What Crappens
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Episode: #2777 RHOBH S1417 Part Two: Bird Brained Carnies
Release Date: March 26, 2025

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Introduction

In episode #2777 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous events of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 14, Episode 17, titled "Bird Brained Carnies." This episode offers a detailed recap of the second part of the season, focusing on the intense interactions and dramatic confrontations among the cast members. Skipping through promotional segments, the hosts zero in on the core content, providing listeners with an insightful and entertaining analysis of the latest RHOBH drama.

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Dinner at the Resort: Tensions Rise

The episode opens with the cast gathering for a highly anticipated dinner at a luxurious resort. Ben and Ronnie highlight the luxurious backdrop as a recurring appeal of Bravo shows.

Ben Mandelker [03:04]: "One of the reasons we love watching Bravo shows is for the luxury."

As the evening progresses, underlying tensions surface. Sutton Brand, a central figure in the episode, exhibits signs of frustration and alienation from the group. The hosts discuss a particularly biting line delivered by Sutton:

Ben Mandelker [03:04]: "I just want to be a Barbie tonight, okay? Just pretend that I don't have an IQ of 140, okay? Be dumb enough to hang out with you idiots."

This line epitomizes Sutton's strained relationships with her fellow Housewives, setting the stage for the night's unfolding drama.

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Mockery and Confrontation

Throughout dinner, the Housewives engage in mocking behavior, exacerbating Sutton's discomfort. Ronnie points out Sutton's inability to handle criticism and her desire to avoid awkwardness:

Ronnie Karam [03:14]: "She can't hear any form of criticism... That's going to be very awkward, isn't it?"

The mockery intensifies as Kathy Mansfield requests ice bags for her armpits, leading to further derogatory comments from Dorit Kemsley:

Dorit Kemsley [04:05]: "We’re colluding because that's her type of behavior."

The scene underscores the deteriorating dynamics within the group, with Sutton increasingly feeling marginalized.

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Chocolate Making and Heightened Emotions

The hosts transition to the chocolate-making scene, where attempted bonding turns sour. Erica Dixon's attempt to lighten the mood backfires, leading to her outburst:

Erica Dixon [07:22]: "Nobody talks like this, okay? Nobody talks like that."

Her inability to take the situation in stride results in further alienation, as highlighted by Ben and Ronnie:

Ronnie Karam [07:40]: "But she gets to lighten up Sutton. Oh, my God. All she had to be was like, oh, that's hilarious, girls."

This moment epitomizes the ongoing struggle between authenticity and performative behavior among the Housewives.

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Carnival Night: A Glimmer of Unity?

As the episode progresses, the group prepares for a carnival-themed night. The extravagant feathered outfits spark both laughter and logistical challenges, providing moments of levity amidst the tension.

Ben Mandelker [23:33]: "They put on these crazy outfits, you know, big feathered showgirl outfits for carnival."

Despite the initial chaos, the carnival night briefly brings moments of camaraderie. Erica Dixon attempts to foster unity by addressing past conflicts:

Erica Dixon [27:15]: "Listen, I want to talk about last yesterday... It was not a coordinated attack."

However, her efforts are met with skepticism and recrimination, particularly from Sutton, who refrains from defending her friends:

Ronnie Karam [28:17]: "She is always changing the framing of it to yell at somebody else for her own."

This interaction underscores the persistent fractures within the group, despite moments of attempted reconciliation.

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Season Wrap-Up: Resolutions and Future Outlooks

As the season draws to a close, the hosts discuss the individual arcs of the Housewives and their paths forward. Garcelle Beauvais focuses on her role as a grandmother, highlighting her personal milestones:

Ronnie Karam [31:12]: "Garcelle continues to call the shots on her sets, but her favorite new role is grandma to Oliver's new daughter, Valley."

Bose Kitchens embarks on her fertility journey, reflecting personal growth and resilience:

Ben Mandelker [31:20]: "Bose has started her fertility journey with Keely choosing the natural route."

Meanwhile, Sutton Brand faces personal setbacks, including a distressing encounter with a dead rat, symbolizing her ongoing struggles:

Ronnie Karam [34:44]: "Just seeing Sutton having to interface with a dead rat is so amazing. I was like, okay. It was all worth it."

Erica Dixon grapples with her husband's conviction, showcasing her vulnerability despite her typically strong facade:

Ben Mandelker [35:19]: "She's trying to be vulnerable, but she really does look like a robot with spinning beach ball in its eyes."

The season finale brings a sense of closure, albeit tinged with unresolved tensions and future uncertainties:

Dorit Kemsley [33:34]: "I want peace. I want a penis. I deserve it and I'm going to fight for it."

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Conclusion

Episode #2777 of Watch What Crappens offers an in-depth exploration of the intricate relationships and dramatic events unfolding in RHOBH Season 14. Hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam adeptly navigate the complexities of the Housewives' interactions, providing listeners with a comprehensive and engaging recap. From tense dinners and failed attempts at unity to personal breakthroughs and lingering conflicts, the episode encapsulates the essence of Bravo’s beloved franchise. Whether you're a seasoned fan or new to the series, this summary captures the pivotal moments and emotional undertones that define "Bird Brained Carnies."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker [03:04]: "I just want to be a Barbie tonight, okay? Just pretend that I don't have an IQ of 140, okay? Be dumb enough to hang out with you idiots."

• Ronnie Karam [04:05]: "We’re colluding because that's her type of behavior."

• Erica Dixon [07:22]: "Nobody talks like this, okay? Nobody talks like that."

• Erica Dixon [27:15]: "Listen, I want to talk about last yesterday... It was not a coordinated attack."

• Dorit Kemsley [33:34]: "I want peace. I want a penis. I deserve it and I'm going to fight for it."

• Ronnie Karam [34:44]: "Just seeing Sutton having to interface with a dead rat is so amazing."

These poignant moments encapsulate the emotional highs and lows of the episode, highlighting the hosts' keen observations and the enduring drama that makes RHOBH a staple of Bravo's lineup.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Watch what happens. Watch what crap what happens when there's so much that happens. Hi everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe so that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that let's get right back into the episode. So then they all start to gather around. They're doing some more shopping and stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then I like this line though, when she goes, I just want to be a Barbie tonight, okay? Just pretend that I don't have an IQ of 140, okay? Be dumb enough to hang out with you idiots.

[Ronnie Karam]

The guy goes up to Bose and she's like, are you okay? She's like, I cannot with that situation. She can't hear any form of criticism, says Kyle Richardson. Well, so what does she want to do? Does she just want to pretend like nothing happened? That's going to be very awkward, isn't it? If we all are just sitting around pretending it's it's nothing is the matter. How are we supposed to have fun with that? I mean, the only thing that could be more awkward would be if we all put on enormous wings and had to sit around a tiny table together.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Bose is still doing that thing like, what? How could women hang out together and not get along? Okay, so then now they all start to sit at the table and Kathy asks for bags of ice to put under her armpits because she's so hot. And Dorit's like, well, you know, I certain mind. Sutton's mind goes to. We're colluding because that's her type of behavior. That's the kind of she would do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's a good one. So then Sun's like avoiding going to the table, so she's like loitering at a vendor. And the vendor's like, here's some sexy oil for the bedroom. I think I'm good. I don't want to put a lot of oil on me. You know what I just realized? I think I'd rather sit at a table with these women than talk to all these poor people selling trinkets. So goodbye, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know I looked how nord she was sexy oil for the bedroom. Does it make a bed then get it the fuck out of my face. Poor person. Have some respect.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kathy gets her eyes and then they're all sitting there and they're like talking. It's like, it gets like quiet at the table. It's awkward, you know, they're all daring.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sutton, like, is she gonna do something? Is she gonna do something? So she's like, well, place cards are the best thing that can ever happen. Because then my options are not to sit across from someone who thinks I kick women when they're down or next to someone that obviously does not like me. So they change seats so that Sutton doesn't have to be in awkward seating. So that's how. That's how it's starting where Sutton needs the seats changed. So Kathy's like, oh, wow, look, Barbie's here, everybody. I got Barbie to smile. How's your vagina working, Barbie?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then a cute waiter comes to take their orders. And then Kyle's like, oh, my God, Garcelle, you were like, hi, what can I order? Your eyes were like, so they're, like, laughing at Garcelle. And Garcelle's like, look, my dating life is. I'm not on the apps. If I meet someone through a friend or at Whole Foods or outside my house in Oxnard, which I don't know if you know this. I. I built a house in Oxnard. You know, I'm open. If he's cute enough, I may have a little fun. But if he's not cute, I'll just have to say no.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm on the apps. I'm on Instacart because they show a picture of your shopper. And I'm on TaskRabbit, and I'm on Doordash, and I'm on Uber, of course. You know, so I'm just hoping that it's kind of, you know, you just kind of hope, yeah, it'll work out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Keep on dreaming. So then I'm just looking for a.

[Ben Mandelker]

Man to say the brownie. The brownies aren't here, so instead, I'm gonna get you some Little Debbies. Instead of the brownies aren't here, so I'm refunding that part of your order and just pretending the brownies aren't. Aren't a ne.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, that's not my soulmate.

[Ronnie Karam]

You need someone who knows. Who knows how to shop for you. So Kathy excuses herself to go to the bathroom, and then it's just more awkward silence. And then Kathy comes back, and now she's in, like, a little dress, just. Everyone, I have a little secret. I tinkled in my shorts. They're like, what? Yeah, I tinkled. Tinkled in the shorts.

[Ben Mandelker]

God damn it. Sit your ass down. Oh, my God. So now they start doing impersonations of her, Kyle, or of each other. Kyle does a pretty good Jennifer Tilly, and Garcelle does a good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Girl's good at imitations in general, by the way. Like, that she should lean into that more because, like, that's her most enduring, like, side is when she does imitations.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she does good ones. So she did a good one of Jennifer Tilly. And then Garcelle does one of Erica. Hers is just really deep. She's like, tom's car went over a hill. It snows in Pasadena. I'm gonna come for you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Jennifer Chili starts doing sun. She starts going, no, ma'am. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. And Dorit's like, oh, I spent another long time thinking about this. She's trying to do her, like, Southern Southern accent overlaid over her, like, pan European accent that she has.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's both Erica and Dorit just going with their Southern accents at her. And. Oh, it doesn't really work as well when you don't like the person, you know what I mean? It makes it less good natured. So son gets mad, and, you know, she looks like an idiot again, because you can't even take it in good fun, you know? So instead she's like, nobody talks like this, okay? Nobody talks like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Kyle's like, sun is, like, really bringing such a negative energy to this. It's like, it's like Dorit and Erica's birthday. Like, hopefully we can ignore Sutton in the corner and just enjoy ourselves. But, like, once Sutton wants to be. Make this all about her, I'm like, well, because they're mocking her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. But she gets to lighten up Sutton. Oh, my God. All she had to be was like, oh, that's hilarious, girls. But instead, she said, what a terrible accent.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Sutton could always lighten up. Let's be honest, it's not just at this table, but then we wouldn't have the sun that we know and love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then they sing Happy Birthday, and they're like, we hope you get some tonight. We hope you got some tonight. We hope you get lovely presents. Hope you gets on tonight. Like, oh, my God, that is hilarious.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then they get some cake, and they find out it's yellow cake. And Sutton's like, I don't want a piece of yellow cake.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you, Sutton. You're gonna lose me now. And so. But she's. She just doesn't want the cake because she's protesting. She, like, doesn't want to contribute to the celebration of these two women that she hates. So Bose is saying that there'll be some activities tomorrow, et cetera, and they all pretty much just get up and. And go. And Sutton's like, I did the boat. I showed up for the dinner. I got made fun of. I've had enough. They just like to kick me down or up. I'm Being kicked by these women. That's. Which is funny because she's basically taking Erica's criticism of Sutton and now applying it to them. She's like, they are kicking me when I'm down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So now people are back in their rooms getting ready for the next day. We see Jennifer Tilly and garcelle preparing. You know, it's like the. Let's. Let's get close on. Oh, my God. So then Jennifer Tilly's like, look at my ring. Scarparelli looks like a jellyfish, doesn't it? It was $9 million. It's my vacation jewelry.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Like, well, you better not lose it. She's like, oh, this thing. This is a cheapo. So then over Kathy and Kaz Villa, Kathy is, you know, she greets the resort staff as they bring in breakfast and everything. And then we see. But bow button, Bose and Sutton button. They arrive at it. They are go to a chocolatier, because this is going to be an attempt to bond a little bit. Because Bose is saying how, you know, she, like, sudden always thinks there's always distance between them. And she's like, I do believe that Sutton has made a narrative in her head that I am team dorit and nobody else when the truth is I'm team dorit and now a little bit team Kyle, but mainly to read. So she's a little bit incorrect there.

[Ben Mandelker]

So to prove her wrong, I'm going to have a chocolate making scene where I take everything that she and take it to dorit. So see how this works?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, precisely.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Jennifer Tilly, and she's like, oh, wow, did you guys order some food? I mean, there we've got sunscreen. Wow. This is living. I'm having such a great life. I've gotten to a place in my life where everything is fabulous. And Kyle's just like, I hate you. Kyle's just like, apparently somebody doesn't have a chair to move from the living room to the dining room.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. She's like, oh, are you our waiter guy? Okay, I hear pina coladas are good for the heat. So could we have some pina coladas and also the pulled pork sliders and some fish tacos, please? And Kyle is, like, horrified that I ordered this amount of food on the show. So Garcelle's like, well, Kyle, have you posted your thirst trap yet from Oregon? There, I said it. She's like, no, no, I'm not feeling that thirsty right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, my first trap is heading to 100,000 likes and I really figured out what Instagram likes. Nipples.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Steph photo. And Kyle's like, well, last night was really interesting. And Garcelle's like, well, should we start off in the suite? She's like, well, first of all, we're all the closest to Sutton, and we love her so much. Guys, don't we love her? I have to say, I love Sutton so much, so now everything I say going forward comes from a place of love automatically. Okay, but like, I need you guys to be open minded that she's a fucking bitch and she's awful and she's like, really needy and she's stupid and no one likes her, but I love her so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so Garcelle's like, well, you know, look, this sounds weird, but in Sutton's story, you're the hero. Why? I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've been on the show for five years, I still can't figure it out. She's like, but I mean, like, none of us said anything. Like, why am I being singled out here? Like, my God. She's like, well, I think when you don't do it, it hurts more. But why? I don't know. It's a question for Sutton. It literally makes no sense. I mean, look, Jennifer is an Oscar nominee, which is pretty, pretty cool. And she's also incredibly wealthy, and I'm famous in my own right, and still that's not enough for Sutton. So we don't get it. And honestly, at this point, we don't care.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And she's like, so, Kyle, I wanted to check in with you Also, you know, we're talking about Bose calling you and seeing Mo. Does that make you want to do something like, I don't know, lick a vagina?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't see the benefit of rushing to get a divorce. At least not before the Knot decides to run a cover story on us again. And Garcelle's like, well, like, you're not even rushing to get any information at all. Like, what's who, what information? Like, where do I start? Like, all that stuff? And Jennifer's like, okay, well, I'm gonna tell a story that's gonna make you feel really poor. Okay? So I have had lots of friends who've been married to lots of wealthy men, Sutton included. And they're like, all been the nicest people in the world. And then all of a sudden, the lawyers come in and they do this and that. And my ex, who I love very much, much the day he died. And like, when we got divorced, we had $700,000 in the bank. And he's like, I'm gonna give you $350,000. And then someone said to me, jennifer, I think you need to get a divorce lawyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, did you end up getting more money than the 350? I got a piece of the Simpsons. I mean, come on. I'm not buying diamonds on Chucky money. The Chucky money just pays for my snacks.

[Ronnie Karam]

So brilliant and so amazing. You know, some people are like, well, now that Garcelle's leaving, make Jennifer full time. But. And then I saw someone else on Twitter say, don't make her full time, because Jennifer's position is friend of. As someone who's outside and comes in and makes commentary and then drops moments like, this is perfect. And I fully agree. I don't want Jennifer. I don't want a situation where Jennifer. We may have to comment about Jennifer's life being boring or I don't want to have to be in a situation where people are ganging up on Jennifer. She has a bad season. I love Jennifer as. As she is, and I just want to preserve her in this state.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I don't think she's ever going to have. I don't think she's going to get away with people not turning on her. I mean, that's just Housewives role. You know, she'll do. Yeah, there will be something where she'll say something where people like, oh, my God, I can't believe I ever liked her for at least six months.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, that's true. But. And also, you know, she's too popular for Kyle and the group not to turn on her.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, yeah, they'll be trying it with her. And we see them trying. We see them testing the waters in this very episode. And it doesn't really work, but we'll see. So now Dorit and Erica are having breakfast, and Eric is like, wait a minute, is that a waffle? She goes, no, definitely not.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she said that literally in your accent, your Dorit accent. She was literally like, definitely not. I was like, wow, she's been listening.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kathy is just putting creams and potions all over herself and trying to get the mirror to talk back to her as she does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we go back to the chocolatier, and they're learning how to make all of these little chocolates. And then we get to the discussion. Dun, dun, dun. So Buzz is like, so what are your thoughts? And it's like, well, you know, I love that Jackie Kennedy answer. If I told you my thoughts, it wouldn't be my thoughts anymore. What it she goes, oh, wow. What a. Jackie Kennedy was not joking around. Huh?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know what? I heard what those women said. Oh. With no agreement or disagreement. You just heard. She's like, we've had a lot of discussions. You know, Eric and I have been really getting along and she showed no animosity to me and it seemed to come out of nowhere. Oh, really? Because she said it to me before and then we see flashbacks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is like, oh no, she's been talking about you this whole season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, she's been talking shit about you behind your back. And we see footage of that, you know, flashbacks, et cetera. Suppose is like. So I thought it was actually maybe good that she said it out loud. Oh, well, that's great. I'm. I'm glad she could get it out. I thought about what she said and I also thought Erica herself was down and and in Dorit and Kyle did the same thing that I did and asked questions the exact same thing. And their husbands even made fun of Erica. And then we see flashbacks that scene Mauricio and Mo are making fun of Erica that there was no repercussions.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like there is a strange double standard or triple standard with these women, you know, and both doesn't understand our history. So I need to explain it. And so Sutton's like, I've apologized and I'm not doing it again. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin comer. Find yourself looking for a new job or change in career. Monster.com is here to help. We are not only here to bring you job postings, but also AI interview prep and salary tools, expert career advice and top notch resume services. We've got everything you need to land your perfect job fit. Discover the magic of finding the ideal job with monster.com. your future starts now. Visit monster.com today. Your next job opportunity is just a click away. Have you ever wondered how a circus.

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So then back at the resort, Erica's like, oh, we were just so silly last night, wasn't we? And Dorit says, I was just so frustrated. You know, Sutton is not consistently a beat. Speech system does not consistently mean spirit aid. She's not, you know, sometimes she's a decent person. Why do I have black teeth right now? Nobody knows.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's been.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was weird, right? I was like, were you brushing? Maybe she was doing charcoal.

[Ronnie Karam]

Doing that, like, charcoal thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's what I was on.

[Ronnie Karam]

And yeah, and Erica's like, you know, because the moments when she's absolutely great and you have the moments then, like, you know, and then you bring it to the table. But, like, I brought my thoughts to the table and instead it turned into everyone's being mean to me. It's a pile on. This is gang up. And then Dorit's like, that's her. Yeah. And the pouting.

[Ben Mandelker]

My problem with Sutton is that even when she's apologizing, it's performative. And I feel like it's a sucker punch coming right around the corner. Soccer punch.

[Ronnie Karam]

So. So Dorit's like, sutton is lacking sincerity, but now it's gotten to a degree. I don't trust most of the things that come out of her mouth. You don't have any problems with Rinna? I mean, look, Rinna was Like, probably one of the least sincere people, right? Like, how are you? So good to see you, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's also Dorit saying she lacks sincerity when Dorit is sitting there in, like, a hundred thousand dollars worth of fake clothes and brands dripping off of her. She's in a house she's pretending to own that is owned by some other company that is now kicking her out because she's bankrupt. I mean, she's one of the fakest people who's ever been on the show. Girl, you're saying this line with 10 different ACC. Yours, could you please stay away from insincerity allegations, ma'am?

[Ronnie Karam]

So back to the chocolatier lady who.

[Ben Mandelker]

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So Sutton's, like, back at the chocolatier Son's like, I've had to have a come to Jesus moment with who, Yourself? Yes, me and Jesus.

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Guess what? Jesus pummeled me.

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That's it. And I had to say, look, this is hard. I had to remember that both. Both those girls have gone through right now. And then I have to look at where I am in my life. A lady who has a tiny boutique that may or may not be open somewhere in West Hollywood. And that must be hard for them to look at.

[Ben Mandelker]

So we see. Let's see, what do we see here? So sorry, I was in a different part. She's like, I'm done. And yeah, when she's like, it's just so difficult, you know, where you've got these people. And I just. I just think, look at these poor women who can never be me. That must be hard on them. And Bose is like, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know that they're jealous of you. She's like, what wouldn't they be jealous of? What would they. Name one thing. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm done with this conversation.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just think the allegiance from Kyle goes to those two and always will, to be honest. So it's like, yeah, you see it suddenly, so stop chasing it. You know where Kyle's loyalties are. And just what you have to do is have a moment where you say, fuck this bitch. Fuck this fake bitch who acts like she's gonna have my back and she never does. At the end of the day, she's always going to be, you know, you get nothing for nothing. I'm sorry I did it. But at the end of the day, she is always going to have those two. Those two Women's backs. And so stop trying to chase it and just make your own happiness.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then back to Eric and Dorit. Eric is like, well, whatever you're going through, she's going through. Okay, fine. Well, what made. What made me angry was when Ms. Jennifer Til said it was coordinated and reads like, oh, she felt like it was coordinated. Really? Just a bunch of excuses. So you should say something tonight. You too. All right, let's do it. Not coordinated at all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not at all. Okay, I'll start, and then you come in, and then if you're going too long, I'll butt in and I'll say something, and then you say something also. And I actually wrote out some note cards, and you could just study those. And if things get really bad, we can bring in a teleprompter. Great.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now they're getting ready for carnival, and Bose has arranged for them to all have these crazy outfits, you know, big feathered show girl outfits for carnival. So they're putting them all on and they just. This part was so funny, watching all these ladies put these on. The most horrific part was when Dorit's hairdresser tells her to twerk. And Dorit does it. I've never seen an ass clap that little. I mean, I've never seen that happen.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was it like. I'm not even sure if it was an ass clap. I mean, it was just kind of like. It was just like. She was just doing, like, weird squats or something like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she did some squats.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was just like an up and down. It wasn't really a. A twerk. It was more like a blurk. It was just.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was not good. And this is why you never trust your hairdresser, because her hairdresser was like, oh, my God. Yes, icon.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Bose is saying that they're celebrating carnival tonight, you know, because it's such a huge thing in the Caribbean and beyond. And so they're just gonna celebrate it, which was. And so they're all putting on different outfits and different levels of undress depending on how comfortable they are. So Erica was basically wearing bare minimum, and she looked fucking amazing. And then Kathy was funny because she basically had like. Like a caftan on, and she had her. But she had her wings on at the same time. But it all worked. It actually was all kind of great.

[Ben Mandelker]

And.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they all didn't. They were not in a space that was made for the wings because they all had to, like, walk sideways through hallways and through doors, and they were like.

[Ben Mandelker]

This was so funny when they all walked up to the dinner table, and they were like, how are we gonna sit down? But they did. And then they all sat down, and they just showed that what the table looked like from the outside, and it was just pure feather. Like, walls of crazy feathers.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, the producers were like, we're never doing this again. We cannot get good shots. Because they couldn't shoot through people's shoulders. They just had to stick a camera at the one end of the table and just, like, hope for the best, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

So funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was amazing. Oh, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. So they did that, and then Jennifer let me. I'm just fast forwarding to get.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know, me too.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, okay, so they get some rum punches, and they're cheersing to their final night and all that. And Jennifer is complimenting Kathy on her rhineston, and she goes, well, you need to take those feathers to the next Rockefeller ball or something. And Kathy goes, actually, I don't know if they approve. Like, wow, so the Rockefellers are anti carnival or.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, there's something sort of. There was a. There was a. There was a subtext there that I. I think that maybe we all picked up on. Right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Like, they do they shoot birds? I mean, what's their deal?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm not sure. So I'm still. By the way, I'm still scrolling through so much of this feather.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Eric is like, well, everybody. So everyone's getting along. So Erica's like, well, it is the finale wearing feathers. Let's do this right. Okay, I have a question. I heard about Dorit and I planning this thing on the boat. Who's saying it? Is it you, Jennifer Tilly? Or is it you got so. Oh, Erica. What a badass. Wow, you're really gonna. You're really gonna get somebody to confess to something horrible. So Jennifer Tilly's like, well, listen, if I feel bad. If it means you feel bad, Erica, you know, yesterday people were saying, what's going on with Sutton? And, you know, we were just sort of. Here's how it appeared. That's all I meant to say. Just. Well, when I went to it today, it was very calm, very adult. A conversation.

[Ronnie Karam]

No. And then Erica's like, but because of the history, because I want to sincerely move on. And I believe you do too, because Erica's doing the intense articulation.

[Ben Mandelker]

I believe you do too.

[Ronnie Karam]

You want to move on as well. So it's like, yes, I do want to move on from this table. All these feathers are very agitating to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, well, but also, this is kind of unfair because Erica's confronting her about what happened last night and being like, how dare you say that? And then she's saying, well, Sutton didn't feel that way. Well, Erica went to see her today. And we see a clip of. Of Erica going to visit her and saying, oh, well, your friends Garcelle and Jennifer said that we did this to you on purpose. Is that true? And she's like, well, I can speak to what they said. And she goes, well, I'm asking you right now, did you know that? Do you know that was being said or not? Like, what kind of mystery is this, Erica? It's so stupid. And Sutton's like, no, I didn't know that at all. So Sutton's not really standing up for her friends either. The Sutton should have said, yeah, my feelings were hurt by that whole thing, and I told them, and they went and stood up for me. It's not that big of a deal. Deal.

[Ronnie Karam]

But also, like, why is Erica being so aggro about this point? Why doesn't she just sit there and say, listen, I want to talk about last yesterday, you know? You know, I know that there's some of you believe that what Dorit and I did was a coordinated attack. I know it may have looked like that. And I just want to let you know, it was not coordinated. And even if it were coordinated, I wouldn't even be embarrassed about it being coordinated, because we both feel the same way about the same thing, and it's okay for two people to feel the same way. And I said something about how I felt, so I just want you to know that we were not coordinating to try to make her feel like I was just saying my piece.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, she can't do it that way. She can't do it that way because that's what she does. No, she makes it to where she. She makes it to where you're questioning something else. Like, it's not about what she said. It's about what people accused her of, how she said it. Or it's not about the crimes Tom committed. It's that people questioned her, you know, so she's always changing the framing of it to yell at somebody else for her own. But Sutton's not helping here either. Sutton's not standing up for her friends at all because she just wants Erica to be nice to her. So she's like, I have no idea why they would do that. Like, fuck off, Sutton. Sutton's not a good friend. I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Karam]

It is kind of wild that they would not show a whole scene with Erica and Sutton because they had a huge fight. And clearly this was maybe a moment to make amends. And they just only show the clip of it in the flashback. It's a little odd. So Erica's like, listen, I don't care where it came from. I don't care how it resolves. It's important that you look at me and you hear what I'm saying. That was not a coordinate attack. And that's all. And thank you for listening.

[Ben Mandelker]

My TED Talk is over.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gosh. So Garcelle's like, well, let me just say this, Erica Jane, you and I are building our friendship, and I appreciate it. And we've come a long way. And you said you don't believe. You don't believe it, but we have. And Garcelle's basically saying how she's trying to focus on having better relationships with these women, and obviously that doesn't really work out because she's like, bye. Leaving the show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she's kind of concentrating on not only being friends with Sutton this next year, which. Which is out the window already. So Bose is so proud, and she's like, I feel like we're about to take wedding vows. Haha. And Erica's like, clearly, I'm not ever doing that again. I love you, but no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Listen, is this a toxic sisterhood? Yes. But at the end of the day, we can come together. We can have laughs, we can be silly and support each other no matter what. And then we can also realize, because it is a toxic sisterhood. Why the are we here? Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, America. I'm out.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so we see them party at carnival and dancing, their outfits and stuff. And Trixie singing, watch me go, go, go. Watch me go, go, go. And then Kyle, it starts. There's fire dancers, and then it starts raining, and Kyle's like, I love the rain. And almost, I love you guys. It's just all, like, so happy. Happy and sisterhood and d.

[Ronnie Karam]

So here are the exciting things happening in people's lives. Garcel continues to call the shots on her sets, but her favorite new role is grandma to Oliver's new daughter, Valley, which. Why, you know what? I just feel like Valley is a curious name. Like, you know, where, you know the phrase peaks and valleys? Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what the better part of that phrase is? Yeah. Have you been to. Also, it's kind of like Los Angeles.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, kind of a defeatist name, you know, especially if you give them a sibling name at peak.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bose, over the last year, I found a lot about myself. How to navigate outside the corporate world and outside the corporate rules. And how to deal with an assistant who loves to bedazzle everything in sight. These are the groups of women are interesting individually and friends. I'm excited to get to know better. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we see her as Bose has started her fertility journey with Keely choosing the natural route. Girl, I will eat an ice cream sandwich if you ever get pregnant with a baby on purpose with Keely. This is not happening. I'm not buying this for two seconds. And I refuse to even pretend anymore. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Keely finally said I love you, so that's nice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, Sutton a full like four months after you started trying to have children for him. Yeah. Great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sounds great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, I've learned something. I've learned that I can be kind of a jerk. I can be a better friend, a better daughter. Change anything from this year. It would probably be. If I were to change anything, it'd probably be my relationship with Dorit. I wish I'd handled it better, as in I wish I'd called her a instead of just a. Oh well.

[Ben Mandelker]

And her. Her wrap up is Sutton and Doritz remains. Their relationship remains on ice. It's so chilled that sudden actually drank it. But hey, she's getting along with her mom, so that's good.

[Ronnie Karam]

When I get home, I just know I have so many tougher conversations Mauricio and decisions will have to be made. And if I'm not going to be married to Mauricio, I have to have a great life with someone. I don't know who it is, but I'm gonna stand in the wings of a concert until I figure out who that lucky person is.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this is all because she does not break up with Mo either. Kyle, Mauricio continue their stalemate over their next steps. And Kyle remains open to love in her life while hopefully avoiding the paparazzi that she calls.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we have Dorit's big wrap up. Dorit, take it away.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I'm a hell of a lot chipper than I thought I was. I want to focus me attention. Not in places filled with toxic energy, not in friendships, and not in my marriage. I want peace. I want a penis. I deserve it and I'm going to fight for it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Dorit and PK currently have no plans to rekindle their relationship, but they are working on co parenting better. And Dorit is considering filtering pk's emails to her junk folder. That was a nice Season finale. And then it goes one month later. I'm like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a wrong show. That's how we roll now. We can't just.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're picking up the cameras. So now we have the most. Listen, I enjoy picking up the cameras when there's a real scandal, but now this is. This is not a pick up the cameras moment. This is something that can be covered in the reunion. So one month later. So Garcelle. Actually, I'm glad that this happened because something very great happened. So first we see Garcelle with Oliver and the kids. Who cares? And then we see Bose doing yoga. Who cares? And then, most importantly, Sutton goes into her backyard and there is a dead rat lying by her pool in the most dead rat position on its back, like, oh. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like that. No, Avi, Avi, Avi. They're gonna eat it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

The dogs are just up there sniffing it. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just seeing Sutton having to interface with a dead rat is so amazing. I was like, okay. It was all worth it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go to Erica's house and she's like, look at me, one of you now. My poor tiny little house, eating ice cream. Like a poverty stricken hook. Watch me eat some ice cream. And then she reads on her phone, on August 26, 27th, Tom Jurati, my husband, was found guilty of embezzlement. And then she looks away, and it's supposed to look like she's emoting, but she really does does look like a robot with spinning beach ball in its eyes. Like.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would never, could never. I never saw this coming. Really? Do you not read articles or see headlines for four years?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, check your own docket of lawsuits, you fucking we.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I'm assuming she meant like in her previously in her relationship. She goes, tom was loved. He was admired. All the judges paid for his meals. They just loved him so much. And he was accomplished. And this is how his story ended. I don't know that I will ever get over that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Oh, well, you thought you'd get away with it, sucker. And you did. Actually, she's kind of the hero of the story because she actually got away with everything. So then Kyle comes in and. And she's like, wow, this place is so small. Nice. This place is so cheap.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that wallpaper?

[Ronnie Karam]

That's great. So Cool. So Kyle says that Erica has proven to be a loyal friend time and time again. So Kyle is saying, I knew this would be a hard. Kyle's so dumb. She goes, I knew this would be a hard day for Erica. And you know, as soon as I heard about this, you were the first person I thought of. It's like, really? When you heard about Erica's husband going to jail, you thought about Erica? Wow, you really, the way your mind works. I wish I could, I wish, I wish I could get a tour of it. It's just, it's amazing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw that headline and I immediately thought, how is Jamie Lee Curtis dealing with this? So I'm. She said to bring you a wind chime. Hope you like it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Erica's like, terrible. Well, right before the verdict, I was doing so good, you know, I was looking at wallpaper, thinking about wallpaper, talking about wallpaper, and I was feeling so good about it. And then the next day it was like, I just, I just wanted to sleep. I didn't want to go back, back to that dark, terrible place when these walls didn't even have wallpaper on them.

[Ben Mandelker]

I realized if these walls could talk, they'd say, please stop singing inside. And that hurt. That hurt. It hurt me deeply. But you know, I've gone into all signs of depression. I'm eating one bite of ice cream at a time, I'm sleeping late, I'm trying to fuck cannibals in my neighborhood again. All the self destructive things that I was doing back a couple of years ago and it made me think, wow, what are times? And then she keeps looking off into space and trying to cry, but she is just ISIS chick. She is just ice. And it's hilarious that they're like, hey, let's end the season by having Erica be vulnerable. And she just can't do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can't. It's like actually it winds up being a deeply uninteresting scene. She's like, my drinking, my medication. It was all this pressure. And I thought, oh my God, it's happened again.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's happening.

[Ronnie Karam]

I feel like I'm being dragged down into the underneath. Oh God. But I'm actually fine. So anyway, he was convicted of four accounts of wife fraud. And it's like 80 years or some. I don't know. He doesn't even have 80 days in him. Good luck. I mean, I'm sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's now being represented by public defenders and she doesn't speak to him. And you know, this whole thing, like, we give Erica so much But I have to keep. Because you. You won't even call Tom or go see Tom. I mean, I know there's legal cases and stuff going on, but that man kind of stole all the money and funneled it into your stuff. The least you could do is, like, check in on him. I mean, Jesus Christ. Yeah, or maybe she's just saying this because he's. She doesn't want to get in trouble with. I mean, I don't know. But, I mean, look, to me, I'm.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not going to be. I'm not going to be a total dick. Even though I'd like to be a total. With. No, but look, you're in a relationship with someone for 20 years. You know, I. I will acknowledge that it is sad to see this person. That. That was like, your life. Now they're just sort of. This is the. This is like their epilogue. And it is sad from her perspective to see it for the rest of us, like, whatever. He was a fraudster. So it is what it is, you know? But. So she's like, that's not over for me. And it's not over. I still have in front of me that he put me through. Through this experience with this man. While it was great, the ending is not okay. And for many reasons. My feeling of sadness, my feeling of being overwhelmed, my feeling of loss, those were very real. And I don't have to apologize for my feelings, because no one lived in that house but the two of us.

[Ben Mandelker]

There were good times, there were bad times. You know, she's doing that whole thing. And so Kyle's like, I hope you know that I'm always here for you as long as you keep yelling at Garcelle for me. And she's like, I do know that.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're talking about again, who is this?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know Kyle does, like, a look because Erica keeps doing these monologues of, like, the best of times, the worst of times. I had it all. It all fell. There was a wall. There was a wall breaker. And Kyle, you just see Kyle staring off into space like, I wonder how bees are made.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle, being a shitty friend is one of my favorite things. Just not listening. Wait, you never told me that you were married.

[Ben Mandelker]

Married.

[Ronnie Karam]

She does that thing all the time.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, you never told me that Tom was in trouble.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, Thomas, who's Tom? Did you tell me this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Who's Tom?

[Ronnie Karam]

Are you serious?

[Ben Mandelker]

Erica's like, well, the hard part is over. And, Kyle, I want to tell you this right now, woman to woman. You and I have a unique opportunity to Be a different version of ourselves right here, right now. We've had to walk through a lot of pain, a lot of heartache, like a lot of lesbianism. I'm all right. Sorry. I had to try it. I was like, wait a minute.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She basically is like, now we can reinvent ourselves. It's a safe space. Are you a lesbian? That's what this is about.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you want. And she's like, I'm gonna have some fun. We deserve to have some fun. Actually, you don't really deserve to have some fun, but I have to credit you for having as much fun as you've had over the past few years, because I think that could have killed. I think what Erica went through, whether I believe it's partially her fault. I do. Or not. I think that the getting caught and all of that, I think that would have killed most people. But Erica's like, fuck it. Let's do a show in Vegas and go back to Broadway and party her fucking asses off. You know? And I have to credit her for that resilience, because not everybody has that.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you know what? She's right. It is time for her to have some fun. You know, after all that, the misery and the boredom and the lack of joy that was in St. Lucia or before that when they went off to, I don't know, like, London or, you know, all these international trips. Oh, what a drain. Time to have fun, right? All her. All her day to day. All her day to day activities. Having to go to her, not 9 to not 5 job. When is she finally going to be able to have fun?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, that's just what Erica needs, just a relaxing, fun life. So Kyle goes, yeah, you know what I mean? You know what? What? The world is our oyster, Kyle. Really? Now you're just leaving yourself open?

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Erica goes, the world is literally our oyster. No, the world is literally not an oyster. It's figuratively an oyster. I'm just going to say that right now. Don't. Don't emphasize that it's literally an oyster because it's disgusting. We all have hepatitis now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that I just left us with the most lesbian imagery of all time to end this season. But don't talk about lesbian as plea.

[Ronnie Karam]

The world is our clam bake.

[Ben Mandelker]

So the world is a pink taco.

[Ronnie Karam]

The world is a Georgia O'Keeffe painting.

[Ben Mandelker]

All the world's a stage at Lilith Fair. All right, everybody, we sure love you. Thanks for being with us this season. We'll be here for the next month doing the Festivus of Festivus Festivus Best of Us reunion episode. So join us for that. Join us on Patreon for White Lotus recaps and airport snaps. Airport recaps and also videos. And come get tickets for D.C. and Philly this week and all of our shows coming up in the next couple of months over at. Watch what crappens.com and we'll talk to you next time. Bye bye.

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