#2780 Southern Charm Reunion S10E16: Tears on My Pillow - Live in DC

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2780 - Southern Charm Reunion S10E16: Tears on My Pillow - Live in DC

Release Date: March 30, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction to the Live Event in Washington, D.C.

The episode begins with hosts Ben Mandelker and Kristen Anderson welcoming listeners from a live recording in Washington, D.C. They share anecdotes about their experiences in the city, including interactions with local fans and fellow Patreon supporters. Notably, Ben recounts an amusing encounter with a man resembling Austin Ekeler, highlighting the blend of reality TV fandom and everyday moments in their lives.

Notable Quote:

• Ben Mandelker [04:26]: "I was really excited because, you know, like, I am here as a huge reality star fan… none other than star running back for the Washington Commanders, Austin Ekeler, opened the door for me."

Southern Charm Reunion Overview

The core of the episode focuses on the hosts dissecting the recent Southern Charm Reunion, Season 10 Episode 16, titled "Tears on My Pillow." They delve into various dramatic moments, character conflicts, and unresolved tensions that unfolded during the live reunion.

Key Plot Points Discussed:

1. Madison’s Pregnancy and Confrontations:

   • Madison arrives pregnant and ready to confront JT, expressing her frustration and determination to address past conflicts.
   • Kristen Anderson [09:04]: "She’s pregnant and ready to beat the shit out of JT… I love a mean, mad pregnant lady."

2. Rodrigo’s Missing Cufflinks:

   • A humorous subplot where Rodrigo forgets his cufflinks, adding levity to the reunion atmosphere.
   • Ben Mandelker [10:43]: "Rodrigo forgot his cufflinks."

3. Patricia’s First Reunion Experience:

   • Patricia attends her first reunion, leading to interactions with other cast members and the introduction of new dynamics.
   • Ben Mandelker [12:47]: "Patricia’s first reunion… Have your sunglasses."

4. Leva’s Departure and Job Loss:

   • Leva’s exit from the show sparks debate among the hosts, with discussions about her reasons and the impact on the group.
   • Kristen Anderson [13:12]: "Leva quit? No, she didn’t quit. She got fired."

5. Craig and Paige’s Tumultuous Relationship:

   • A heated exchange between Craig and Paige unfolds, revealing deep-seated issues and public breakups.
   • Ben Mandelker [19:04]: "You can’t be mean to me… I've been victimized by a horrible, mean girl."

6. JT and Vanita’s Relationship Scrutiny:

   • The hosts analyze the complexities of JT and Vanita’s relationship, questioning its authenticity and the influence of external pressures.
   • Kristen Anderson [80:32]: "This relationship was very, very real… She is one of the most highly reputable ladies that I've ever dumped and ghosted."

7. Shep’s New Love Interest:

   • Shep’s endeavors to find a new love interest are examined, highlighting the challenges he faces and the perceptions of other cast members.
   • Ben Mandelker [66:48]: "Shep can show the way…"

Dramatic Interludes and Host Banter

Throughout the episode, Ben and Kristen intersperse their analysis with humorous banter, theatrical reenactments of reunion moments, and playful critiques of the show's dramatics. They emulate characters’ dialogues, adding a layer of comedic commentary to the serious discussions.

Notable Quote:

• Kristen Anderson [24:00]: "I've been working on my dad bod to prove that I can comp. What do you call it when people agree to be with each other? Commit."

Audience Reactions and Social Media Impact

The hosts discuss the significant influence of social media on the show’s dynamics, particularly how cast members use platforms like Instagram to navigate public perceptions and personal vendettas. They highlight instances where online interactions have amplified the drama seen on screen.

Notable Quote:

• Kristen Anderson [42:35]: "So Paige started doing that passive-aggressive, like, thing that you do because she’s got so many followers."

Conclusion and Teasers for Future Episodes

As the episode draws to a close, Ben and Kristen recap the most explosive moments from the reunion and tease future discussions. They express enthusiasm for upcoming segments, promising deeper dives into unresolved storylines and further humorous takeaways.

Notable Quote:

• Ben Mandelker [70:47]: "What a loser. So Shep's like, yeah…"

Key Takeaways and Insights:

• Complex Interpersonal Relationships: The reunion showcases the intricate and often volatile relationships among the cast members, emphasizing themes of betrayal, loyalty, and personal growth.

• Public vs. Private Personas: The hosts explore the dichotomy between how cast members present themselves publicly versus their private behaviors and motivations.

• Impact of Live Settings: The live format of the reunion intensifies emotions and confrontations, providing unscripted insights into the cast’s true feelings.

• Role of Social Media: Social media acts as both a platform for resolving conflicts and exacerbating tensions, influencing real-life relationships and public opinions.

Conclusion

Episode #2780 of Watch What Crappens delivers a comprehensive and engaging analysis of the Southern Charm Reunion, blending insightful commentary with entertaining banter. Hosts Ben Mandelker and Kristen Anderson adeptly navigate the drama, offering listeners a thorough breakdown of the episode's key moments while maintaining a lively and humorous tone. This summary captures the essence of the discussion, making it accessible and informative for both regular listeners and newcomers to the podcast.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Ben Mandelker [04:26]: "I was really excited because… none other than star running back for the Washington Commanders, Austin Ekeler, opened the door for me."

• Kristen Anderson [09:04]: "She’s pregnant and ready to beat the shit out of JT… I love a mean, mad pregnant lady."

• Ben Mandelker [19:04]: "You can’t be mean to me… I've been victimized by a horrible, mean girl."

• Kristen Anderson [80:32]: "This relationship was very, very real… She is one of the most highly reputable ladies that I've ever dumped and ghosted."

• Kristen Anderson [42:35]: "So Paige started doing that passive-aggressive, like, thing that you do because she’s got so many followers."

• Ben Mandelker [70:47]: "What a loser. So Shep's like, yeah…"

These quotes encapsulate the essence of the hosts' discussions, highlighting their candid and humorous approach to dissecting reality TV dramas.

Transcript

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[Kristen Anderson]

Hi, everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi.

[Kristen Anderson]

Thank you. Well, I'm graceful as ever. Tripping all over the fucking place the second I walk.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. Yeah, it's funny. The cherry blossoms. When I landed yesterday and I landed in Reagan Airport and National. Whatever.

[Kristen Anderson]

Listen, we paid for that shit. We can call it whatever we want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I got on the Uber, and the driver's like, whoa, it's really busy in D.C. this weekend. I was like, really?

[Kristen Anderson]

Why?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, cherry blossoms. And I was like, they're cherry blossoms right here. You're having fun. Like, I'm like, I looked at the cherry blossoms at the airport, and I was like, done. Got.

[Kristen Anderson]

Really. Is gorgeous. Really gorgeous out. It is. We're usually here when it's freezing and everywhere has stairs. We haven't even seen that many stairs today. Yeah, there were elevators today. Love that. I did a little tour because I couldn't check into my goddamn hotel room. So I got one of those little scooter things and went around and toured. Really pretty stuff. I didn't really understand any of it because I didn't pay attention to that part, but it was nice. The ducks are bold here. You've got very, very bold. A duck just came up to me and quacked and stared at me. I was like, get the fuck out of here. I'm the hungry one. People feed you all day. I'm on shit to not let me eat. Okay? Get away from me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was really excited because, you know, like, I am here as a huge reality star fan, as you all know, but I secretly enjoy football, too. And after I checked into my hotel, I was walking out of the hotel, and none other than star running back for the Washington Commanders, Austin Eckler, opened the door for me, and I got so excited and I tweeted out and I texted Ronnie and. And also, I'm secretly, maybe not so secretly, a nerd. And there happens to be a board game convention next door. So I went to this board game convention. I was like, you guys, I just saw Austin Ekeler. And they're like, who? And I was so excited. And, like, all day long, I was like, what a great day. I saw the cherry blossoms. I saw Austin Ekeler, and then I went back to my hotel, and he was there, and I was like, oh, my God, do I say something? And then I looked at him, and I was like, that's not Austin Ekeler at all. Just a stranger. A stranger held the door for me.

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, he showed me pictures from that board game convention.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good Lord, it was the best.

[Kristen Anderson]

There are men in tights standing o. Like with elf hats.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

Standing over life size game boards about trains.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I played a board game this morning that was a simulation of the Spanish Civil War.

[Kristen Anderson]

My cherry blossom came back today and I'm not going to have a chance to use it around those guys, tell you that much. One thing that's made me sad about DC is the statues are so sad. I mean, that was back in the time, like when they didn't have pictures back then, I mean, I would guess, you know, and so you couldn't just be like, smile and then look at it again and like fix your face or whatever and then like take it again. You just like had to stand there in misery and maybe that's why everybody looks so miserable. But there's this statue where the guy's like on a horse, right? And he's got his sword up and he's like, I'm going to war. And I don't think the other guys knew they were going to be in the statue because the one sitting behind that guy was like. He was like, double tunes are out, his hat was down. The other one's playing a horn off key. They didn't know they were in the shot. They're like, why didn't you tell me I was in this shot? How did you pick this to be our fucking statue? Fuck this guy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we love coming to dc. You guys may not know this, but you guys are always one of our one or two biggest shows of the year. That's why. That's why I brought my camera out. I was like, gotta record when it comes out, you know? And it's always exciting to see familiar faces. So we already know some of our super premium Patreon sponsors are here. I know she's not harsh. She's. Jill Hirsch is here.

[Kristen Anderson]

Where is she? Right there. So have your sunglasses. Come get them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. Pass those sunglasses back to Jill. Jill was kind enough to make some Dubai chocolate and give it to us.

[Kristen Anderson]

And yes, thank you, Jill.

[Ben Mandelker]

As well as other things. Thank you, Jill. I also see right in front of us, Kristen the Piston Anderson.

[Kristen Anderson]

Kristen the Piston.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do we have other. Are there other ones? Anyone?

[Kristen Anderson]

We also got Artie and Lori here, who gave us these beautiful shark tooth necklaces for the occasion.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, and I only see your arm.

[Kristen Anderson]

Get off on the right foot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, get off on the Right foot with Chrissy Offlett. Thank you all for coming and of course, supporting us on patreon, et cetera. But it's so great to be back here in D.C. you guys are awesome.

[Kristen Anderson]

All right. This thing never recognizes my face. It's me. God bless it. All right, everybody, welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about and yada.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Kristen Anderson]

Today is Southern Charm Reunion Part one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gosh.

[Kristen Anderson]

Previously on Southern Charm.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not a washed up misogynist that mocks homeless women on the street and screws over every lady my penis enters. I'm just a sweet little boy who got his heart broken by a gold digging bun half my age.

[Kristen Anderson]

Jesus quack. Why are you always pretending to be Martha Stewart? Just come out and do some shots with me. Do some coke, man. What happened to you?

[Ben Mandelker]

You can't be mean to me. I said the word addict and I've been victimized by a horrible, mean girl from the North Gorse Strong Yankees gorge Gods. After an entire season of fighting and throwing each other under the bus, it's finally good to be able to figure out who caused all of our problems in the first place.

[Kristen Anderson]

Women.

[Ben Mandelker]

And scene.

[Kristen Anderson]

So when we open this reunion, you know, everybody's arriving in their cars and stuff. We get all that good stuff, and then Madison is pregnant and ready to beat the shit out of jt, which I love. Yeah, we've been waiting for Madison to beat the shit out of somebody ever since she got with with Brett. Because, you know, Brett's classy. You don't want to mess with a fireman from Los Angeles, all right? You got to keep it classy. So she's been behaving herself for the most part, but now she's like, I'm gonna rip that little T paint right the hell off of his head. I love a mean, mad pregnant lady. Reminds me of home. It's the lands from which I came.

[Ben Mandelker]

So everyone's getting dressed in their dress rooms. Big update here. Rodrigo forgot his cufflinks.

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, he didn't forget his bug eyes. The whole time he's like this.

[Ben Mandelker]

The W. You know? Poor Ryan didn't even get invited to this thing. He's probably sitting somewhere like.

[Kristen Anderson]

But it will be Patricia's first reunion. I don't think she's ever been on one before, so maybe Ryan will just carry her out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah, that might be. That might be it. So they are. We see them, you know, dressing up and everything, and then we go out to Andy, he's like, all right, let's.

[Kristen Anderson]

Bring him on out.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they have this, like, archway behind, like, Andy's head, and it's like a never ending procession of people that come out of this archway. Yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

And it's a set of Patricia's house, which is funny. He's like, wow, this is actually a set that's a replica of Patricia's house. But this time, the poor people get past the foyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

We even have a butler in the corner that you are free to electrocute when you want.

[Kristen Anderson]

So good to be here, you know, Charleston, Stu's of a town to have unfinished business in. I'm a leader of industry here. God, I hate wearing underwear. As every leader of industry says.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's not just a leader of industry, he's a storyteller.

[Kristen Anderson]

Hey, Craig, welcome. She's clapping. Hey, Chef. Welcome. Hey, Chef's here. Hey, awesome. Welcome. Hey, lady who runs the donut shop down the street. Did you get new boobs? Donut lady?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, person who has to carry Patricia's bag. Welcome to the reunion. Oh, my gosh, she looks great. It looks great, Looks great.

[Kristen Anderson]

And then JT finally comes out, and everyone's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

He does that awkward handshake thing. He's like, hi, Andy. I'm a gentleman, so I'm gonna shake your hand.

[Kristen Anderson]

My favorite is Leva, though, because God bless Leva, man. I mean, first of all, she's still here for now. Leva quit? No, she didn't quit. She got fired. She got fired, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She did, yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

You didn't know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, I did not know this.

[Kristen Anderson]

Ben, you need to get the actual. I haven't.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have been simulating the Spanish Civil War.

[Kristen Anderson]

Ben's over here paying to read the New York Times. Reddit is free, bitch. Get on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

We have to put that on the in memoriam for the next crappies now.

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm surprised you didn't hear it. That's right. From all the way at my house when I read. Right, yeah. Leva quit and she. She did this whole thing, like, guys, what a fun season. But, you know, just my other show is so successful now. I'm just going to concentrate on that. I'm going to really start rallying the troops to not let people wear Nikes After 8pm it's a huge issue where I'm from, so. So she's at. But for now, she comes on and she's in this dress that only comes to, like, just right here, like, on her. She's got a lot going on. She's like, hi. Oh, God, Jesus.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, did Grace Lilly style you?

[Kristen Anderson]

She looks like me. After one week of Ozempic where I thought I would lose, like, 50 pounds and I lost nothing. I was like, look at me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, I'm your host, Andy Cohen, reuniting with the gang from a show I don't really watch, but I'll just ask the questions. Southern charm. We're gonna break down this milestone season where hearts were broken, friendships faltered, and even our resident Peter Pans tried to grow up.

[Kristen Anderson]

Ha ha ha. Unfortunately, you all, Sandy Duncan, 80. 80 years old, still coming out as Peter Pan. At some point. At some point, somebody just has to say, it's not working.

[Ben Mandelker]

If Sandy Duncan came flying out over that reunion stage on a wire, what a dream that would have been. Peter Cast, like, throwing Wheat Thins down.

[Kristen Anderson]

At the cast, holding onto a walker as she flies around. She's gonna hold on forever. So Madison comes out, and she's pregnant. She's like, hi, everybody. I'm pregnant. Like, oh, my God, Madison's pregnant. We're all such good friends. Nobody's even seen her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Kristen Anderson]

Like, you haven't even seen her. Instagram. Come on, now.

[Ben Mandelker]

We. Okay. I'm so glad this came up, because last week we were in Charlotte and someone pulled us aside and said, you guys need to know something.

[Kristen Anderson]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're apparently starting in 2025. This is the first year of the Beta generation, which means that Madison is literally giving birth to a Beta.

[Kristen Anderson]

Isn't that funny? That was so fucking funny. And people say God doesn't watch. Bravo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Come on. The previous generation, unfortunately, was the corn generation. So this child will not be born for corn and will be a Beta.

[Kristen Anderson]

And she's like, you know, I don't. I'm not like everybody else. I don't want to hold the important news in. So it's going to be a girl. And the best news is she ain't going to look nothing like Austin. She's going to chew when she chews and talk when she talks. That's just how it goes. Not gonna be a combo, y'all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I could see everyone was surprised when you walked in.

[Kristen Anderson]

Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, not a dry eye in the house. There were so many tears, Vanita almost drowned.

[Kristen Anderson]

Oh, yeah. You know, my little son, he's just so cute. He's just very protective of her. And he came up to me and he said, mama, I've never seen you fat before. You told me I'm not supposed to talk to fat people. Am I still allowed to talk to You. I said it's a temporary thing. In nine months, you can go back to the rules. But he still walks around, around the house doing what I taught him to, poking me with a stick, saying, walk faster, fatty. So it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Madison explains that the way she, like, hid it from everyone is that she told people that she's been doing, like, a dry January or whatever. And Craig is like, wait a second. I was with you. I thought you were sober for the month.

[Kristen Anderson]

Wait, you thought I was supporting your sobriety? You barely even support that. Get the fuck out of here. I'm pregnant.

[Ben Mandelker]

Leave it to Craig to miss the entire baby bump. That's, like, plainly obvious for everyone to see.

[Kristen Anderson]

So then Vanita Venita's like. And Andy's like, venita, that made you cry? She goes, yeah, I'm just trying to keep my eyes from running. Hold on, let me look at my mirror. Her whole dress is mirrors. I was like, that thing is terrifying.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Every time she talked, it was like. Like everything was rattling. Hey, Ms. Ross. You know, no one on the cast understood what Andy was talking about when he said, Ms. Ross.

[Kristen Anderson]

Is that the lady who invented the discounts store? My mother loves that place. So Andy's like, so are you surprised that JT's here? And she's like, no. Can you make that a complete sentence? No, I'm not surprised. Oh, you're trying. You're trying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Shep. Looks like you brought a shark tooth necklace. Did you do that, Shep? Yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

You sure did. You want a shark tooth necklace, too? Sure, what kind do you want?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I have options.

[Kristen Anderson]

Are you a hammerhead? Are you a great white?

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe? Sort of.

[Kristen Anderson]

Are you a basking bull? Are you a nurse shark? Are you a lemon shark? Are you a leopard shark?

[Ben Mandelker]

Lots of shark?

[Kristen Anderson]

Are you a black tip? Oh, well, actually, it's a little personal there, buddy. All right, so last I heard, jt, you quit the show. He's like, yeah, Andy, you know, I had a little bitch moment. And then I got over it when I realized I'm still unemployed and Bunny kicked me out of the house. So I'm back.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a real bitch moment. I mean, I could not have thought of a bigger bitch moment I could have had than when I had that bitch moment. But just as a reminder, I never say the B word. I would never say I support Ms. Patricia, and I would never say the B word. I was just having a bitch moment. That's it.

[Kristen Anderson]

And Sally's like, your inner comes out a lot. Well, take note Sally, we need more from you. Give me more. I love the blowjob in the parking lot. I need more. That sounded wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, wow, Ronnie, it's time for a commercial.

[Kristen Anderson]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Talk about cherry blossoms.

[Kristen Anderson]

The first time I've ever said that. My usual line is, stop. I'm exhausted.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, jt, when was the last time you and Vanita spoke?

[Kristen Anderson]

He's like, how long was that again? I don't really remember.

[Ben Mandelker]

October 28th.

[Kristen Anderson]

Can you be more specific? Like 7:58pm and ever since then, there have been three dots blinking at me while he tries to think of a response.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, we're still in the middle of this process, so. Hi, Leva. How's it going, Leva? Love your dress, Leva.

[Kristen Anderson]

And then what? The weirdest thing started happening. My TV just started moving really fast, like it was being fast forwarded.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I'm just so excited to get a break from those lovable kooks over at Republic selling hot dogs.

[Kristen Anderson]

They say that syphilis doesn't storm Andy, but let me tell you. So, Molly, welcome to your first reunion. She's like, how are you doing tonight? Feeling incredibly fat, Andy? I'm wearing a size 0, but inside, I'm just busting out all over Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Sally, good to see you. God, you are a beauty.

[Kristen Anderson]

Ha.

[Ben Mandelker]

See what I did there? Okay, no one did. Think about it. Think about it. It'll be funny when you put the words together, and then you'll remember Reza having a scene there once.

[Kristen Anderson]

Okay, Sally, please reenact your best scene of the year.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Kristen Anderson]

Nice cans.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nice cans. Lady, you want to take these down a size?

[Kristen Anderson]

You're the first woman who's ever come in here that I haven't had to ask, are those new boobs?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, Austin, what's going on?

[Kristen Anderson]

Hey, Paul. Pookie got a girlfriend. Got a girl. Madison might be pregnant, but I'm with child as well. I'm just dating her, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, so who came up with that nickname? Pookie?

[Kristen Anderson]

He called me Boo. Boo? Yeah, you know, Andy, it's just anything, any kind of name that can infantilize a woman immediately.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then we get to Taylor, who has. Is she Wearing two dresses. I was so confused, Confused what was happening there. It was like one dress was, like, doing the alien thing out of the other dress.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah. She was, like, in the middle of a costume change, you know, in a Broadway show. They were like, get out.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're on tits. Hey, hey, Anna and whatever your name is.

[Kristen Anderson]

Sailor Ann Green. I love saying your full name.

[Ben Mandelker]

For the longest time, I thought you were Marjorie Taylor Greene. And I was so confused.

[Kristen Anderson]

I thought, wow, what a monster. But at least she's got a personality this season. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Question. Is it Gaston or Gaston? And do you have nudes of him to show me?

[Kristen Anderson]

It's Gaston, Just like Beauty and the Beast. Andy, did you watch Beauty and the Beast? What the fuck are you bragging about, girl?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that was her relationship with Shep. So then, all right, what is people like? Oh, Shep.

[Kristen Anderson]

They're like, he's an asshole, but we still fuck him. Leak it off his ass. Cherry Blossom Day. How dare you?

[Ben Mandelker]

You leave his name out of your mouth. All right? Hey, Craig. What's going on? Craig? How are you doing, Craig?

[Kristen Anderson]

He's like, I can't stop laughing, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry. All right, that's the entire cast. Next week on part two of the reunion. I was like, how long was this taking?

[Kristen Anderson]

So everyone's really upset about your breakup with Paige, huh, Craig? He's like, yeah, the world is, like, going crazy over it, Andy. You know, Like, I look out my window, and people are burning Teslas. It's like, Paige really did a number on this country.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't believe how many federal employees Paige is firing right now.

[Kristen Anderson]

If one man on this show would apologize as much as a current Tesla owner is apologizing to everybody around them, we'd have no problems. There are stickers. These poor Tesla drivers are driving around like, sorry, I bought this before all this shit happened. Sorry. Please don't key my car.

[Ben Mandelker]

So remember when you guys broke up? Ha ha ha. Cut to Paige saying, this is the last time you'll ever see me. You just don't know it yet. Ha ha ha. He's like, ah.

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, you know, like I never saw coming, Andy. I mean, like, it was crazy. Like, there were no red flags. All right, let's please roll a montage of red flags. I fucking hate you. Would you please fucking die?

[Ben Mandelker]

You're disgusting. I can't wait to never see your face again.

[Kristen Anderson]

Hey, Paige, you want to come to the Bahamas? Do I get to drown you there?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry to see someone else. This was two years ago.

[Kristen Anderson]

And While he is trying to, you know, woe is me, a vase falls off of a table. And they're like, oh, my God. He's like, that was the first red flag I saw. No, that was just me. I'm sorry, but I'm sitting backstage. I was aiming at Randy.

[Ben Mandelker]

She just throwing bosses like Donkey Kong. So Craig is like. I will say that when we were together in private, that's what I base our relationship off of. And there weren't any signs.

[Kristen Anderson]

And Shep and Austin are just looking at each other like, what the fuck? So he's like, shep, did you see any signs? When did you hear about this? And Shep's like, well, I was reading Carol Whack and Kanuan down in the Geraldines. The Grenadines. Sorry. The Geraldines. The Geraldine Grenadines.

[Ben Mandelker]

So it's like, ship. What does that even matter? Who cares if you went to a grenadine factory? Whatever. Enjoy your Shirley Temple.

[Kristen Anderson]

Just want everyone to know I was in a very intellectually stimulating place, and I read about the horrible breakup. It was in Spanish.

[Ben Mandelker]

The island had no electricity. It was great. But then I told him that they had to watch the seminal documentary the Vietnam War by Ken Burns, and they brought electricity to the island just to watch it.

[Kristen Anderson]

Oh, well, I already knew because Craig and I were together in Toronto, and he's acting like a real fucking pussy. All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Paige called me and broke up with me after Thanksgiving when Austin and I were about to do a live show. And then I texted you eventually, and you're like, why aren't you going to London? And I said, well, I'm going to London. And then he was like, what's wrong with you? I was like, I'm a storyteller.

[Kristen Anderson]

And I love that Craig victimizes himself even in this, because he's like, after Thanksgiving before a live show. Now Paige is coming for the theater, the arts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Please let me know when its place is. Okay. Three, two, one. I'm breaking up with you. Okay, have a great show.

[Kristen Anderson]

Dear God, I would just like to give thanks for this being the last fucking day I have to stare at this turkey. Thank you. That is so cold, though. Well, she could have done it before Thanksgiving. At least she fed him first.

[Ben Mandelker]

She literally probably said, you know what I love about Thanksgiving is when I can say, thanks for giving me space for the rest of my life. Bye.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Andy's like, okay, well, there's two things that stick out to me. Sally, please put your boobs away now. We're done with that segment. Now, you said that she broke up with you the night that you were doing a live show. And Austin's like, yeah, it was like two days after Thanksgiving.

[Ben Mandelker]

Inspector Poirot over here. It's like, but you lied to me on Watch what happens Live. And we see a flashback of basically Andy saying, like, so, like, are you guys engaged? And Craig's like, I don't know. And Andy's like, pissed that he didn't get, like, an honest answer in one of those chairs.

[Kristen Anderson]

Because Craig's not only lying, but he doesn't. He's like, oh, we just had a great Thanksgiving together. She's basically asked for my popsicle sperms and an easy Bake Oven to get it warmed up. We're about to stick them in there. It's gonna be great. Annie's. She wants. She wants a ton. She asked me for a minivan, Andy. She asked me for a minivan. She's like, wait a minute. And Andy was like, do you feel like that was telling the truth?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then this is a cliffhanger. And so then we had a commercial, which I missed this commercial entirely, but apparently there was a commercial for Sensodyne toothpaste with Craig in it.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah. Lady's like, hello, pillow man. Hello, lawyer, pillow man extraordinaire. Leader of industry, captain of crowds. Everybody loves him. It's Craig Conable for Sensodyne. He's like, yeah, you brush your teeth with it when.

[Ben Mandelker]

When you're. When you're sensitive, you need a sensitive toothpaste.

[Kristen Anderson]

So he goes through this whole thing of lies where he's like, well, you know, after a three year relationship where she asked me to buy her a ring, she did not. I do not believe it. I want video. I want. Do you think. You guys think that she did.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Kristen Anderson]

Okay. I thought they're like, she actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's not going to trust Craig to pick out a ring.

[Kristen Anderson]

I don't think she would ask Craig to buy her a ring. I think she would say, my mother's going to buy a ring. How much are you willing to spend? She'll reimburse you, you fucking loser. Thanks. Ain't trusting him to go to a store.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then you get a store. You. You go and you have like, Thanksgiving and it's great. And then, like, you buy a ring and then, like, you go, you get a phone call and you're after spending a great Thanksgiving. And then she was like, we'll talk about it. And then I was like, well, I don't think it's real. But then I watched it.

[Kristen Anderson]

I was live.

[Ben Mandelker]

I went to her apartment. I was like, what's going on? And she was like, I'm probably making the worst mistake of my life, but I need to go find myself. And I was like, okay. And she's like, this means I'm breaking up you. I was like, okay. She's like, that means you have to leave the apartment now. And I was like, okay.

[Kristen Anderson]

And you have to ask Kristen Cavallari to stop doing tik toks in my living room, please, when I'm not home. Did you see that? I saw that on Reddit today. They're like, is this Paige's studio apartment? And Chris Kav's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then I was like, what about the ring? And she's like, keep it. It looks hideous anyway. I would never wear that thing. And I was like, but what about the ring? Those.

[Kristen Anderson]

Cuz I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe we'll get married at BravoCon. That was a joke. I'm already telling you right now as a joke. And I was like, she wants to get married at Bravo Con.

[Kristen Anderson]

Andy goes, wait, maybe marry to Bravo Con.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, finally.

[Kristen Anderson]

And Molly's like, yeah, that seems like a lot of mixed signals. It seems like a lot of lies. You think? Paige for one second was like, oh, my God, let's get married at Bravo Con. No, stupid. She clearly, if she was saying, you bought a ring, the same as we would ever get married at BravoCon. None of this is happening. Okay, crazy person.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, oh, well, maybe we'll get married at BravoCon. Loser. He's like, wow, it's happening.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Craig is doing this whole, like, Thanksgiving, BravoCon brought a ring. And Andy's like, this is a great idea. And he's, like, counting money in his.

[Ben Mandelker]

Head, started putting it together again. This isn't like, we broke up and then it was over, and I moved on with my life. We had been, like, planning our life together for three years. And, like, we had been fantasizing about starting a family. Roll the tape. Of so many times when Paige seems so interested in starting a family.

[Kristen Anderson]

So funny. And they're at the little goat farm, and Craig's petting a goat, and he's like, yeah, but, like, I just, like, thought, like, we, you know, like, I fantasize, like, about us starting a family and we have kids and you don't work and you don't wear shoes, and you're just in a kitchen, you know, cleaning a counter and stuff. Yeah, Paige. Yeah, Craig. Well, guess what? I Fantasize like an idiot, too. So, yeah, it's not real.

[Ben Mandelker]

I fantasize that Zara has a sale every week. It just doesn't happen. Yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

But then, like, I was just in a weird place in December. You know, we talked throughout December. You know, I would say, like, come back, and she'd say, like, no. And I'd be like, so, yes. And then, you know, two days before the new year, she texted me and said, I just want you to know I'm talking about on my podcast so that we're no longer together. Man, Paige is going for every holiday. I love that. It's like, thanks giving. Dump him. And right before New Year, the most romantic holiday of the year, she's like, by the way, I just outed our breakup, you loser. You were too weak to talk about it and watch what happens live, so I just did it for us.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then all my stuff showed up on my porch, and then it became real, especially when it was addressed to Ew do gross at Charleston.

[Kristen Anderson]

Came with a card that said, dear die alone. What'd she send you? A pair of flip flops? You know, Paige didn't allow his shit in that house. That was flip flops in a toothpaste. Cry me a river.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was a cricket machine. She was like, oh, my God, get this out of here. So. Well, I guess the reason I glommed onto you saying that is that you kind of definitely said that Paige called and broke up with you. Well, to be fair, she. She did break up with me on the phone because she said, I think we need to break up. But I just. I didn't receive it. I took it as we're going to get married.

[Kristen Anderson]

Okay, well, why would you choose not to share with Austin when you're in the city of nice people who share a lot, Toronto. And he's like, oh, this is going to be harsh, but I don't trust Austin yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Austin's like, craig, Craig. You're probably right. You're probably right.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Craig's like, yeah, I was harsh, but that was my honest feeling, and I was freaking out. You know, like, if everybody talks about it, it makes it real.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what else makes it real? It being real. So Austin is like, well, it was pretty obvious to me that Craig was, like, keeping me a bit at bay, you know? And I'm like, a not upset at Craig and just sad that he couldn't turn to me. And Shep is like, yeah, gosh. My biggest concern was, I'm sure Craig was getting inundated at the moment with the news. So I thought it was important to send him a supportive message. So I texted him and I said, as Sir William Shakespeare once wrote, ophelia doth bow us to the mighty storm. And I know you're sad, but I hope to see your pretty little freckled lips smile again.

[Kristen Anderson]

The moisture leaking out of your eyes is as dewy as the sunset in March. I love your freckled little penis. Like, all right, set back down, back down, Set. And Craig's like, yeah, I mean, I never, like, felt so supported in my life. Like, Andy sent me, like, a grinder notification that you. He was 10ft away from me. That really meant a lot, Andy. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Hey, Madison, how did you find out about this?

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I reached out to Craig immediately and I said, haha, loser.

[Kristen Anderson]

Then I sent a text to Paige and I said, listen, I know you won't talk to me right now because I'm kind of fat, but please, let's be friends after this. Please don't make me stay alone with these men. So she's like, yeah, I reached out to Craig immediately online, and he handled it very well. I mean, considering, you know, he's lied for months about it, made up stories, and then tried to villainize and victimize Paige. But, you know, beyond that, I mean, for. This guy's pretty good. He didn't attempt to assault nobody. So it's a win. It's a win for this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Vanita, you mentioned on the after show that you actually reached out to Paige. She's like, yep, I just texted her and I said, I love you. I know you have your heart broken. You were my way out of this place, so please don't forget about me.

[Kristen Anderson]

I was like, I know this is really, really hard on you, but at least you haven't had to both Whitney and Shep, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I gotta say, I gotta say. Oh, God, I gotta tell you guys, I was on CNN bringing the New Year, I mean, way to. With Anderson, and there was Jon Hamm. And we see Jon Hamm, who's like, hey, by the way, what's going on with Paige and Craig? Am I right, America? And what was that like to have Jon Hamm say your name on tv?

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, it was a little weird because at the same time he was saying that you were trying to get a zipper down. That was kind of odd. Sorry. Big Mad Men fan.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because Paige, he says that Paige was like, oh, my God, I've watched this like a million times. Jon Hamm mentioned Me. And he's like, some people are just different, I guess. And Shep goes, yeah, that was pretty uncool. Like, yeah, that was mean. No, I mean, Jon Hamm trying to do comedy again. He just should stop doing it.

[Kristen Anderson]

And Craig's like, yeah, she commented it on it and she was like, I've watched this a million times. It's amazing. I mean, like, we're just so different. Like, how are you finding fun in this? You know? Like, who is she since this breakup? Like, she's fighting with people in comments. She's starting to say mean stuff about me based on what the Internet is saying. And I'm like, I didn't do anything to you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sir.

[Kristen Anderson]

You made up a whole bullshit story for a month and made her sit on it. And then when she finally admitted it, you said you were just blindsided and came on doing one of your sweater talks on the Instagram, smiling and winking at the camera like you were the biggest victim in the country. Okay? And even worse, Paige can be an asshole, but she wasn't an asshole then. And do you know how hard that was for her? That was a whole month of being nice to someone that she probably wanted to die.

[Ben Mandelker]

So you sat on your counter and put your foot in the sink. Enough.

[Kristen Anderson]

You're done. So, yeah, he's really mad at how Paige is acting on social media. I'm personally loving it. Are you guys following how Paige is acting? So the boys, all three of the boys went on watch what happens the other day and Craig was doing this whole, like, oh, I was blindsided or she's being so mean to me, this and that. So Paige started doing that passive aggressive, like, thing that you do because she's got so many followers that she's always the top, like, on all of the posts. So if she, if she comments on a New York posting and it's about, I don't know, like, Pakistan got into grape jelly suddenly and Paige Desorable likes it. It'll be like, Paige Desorable likes this. That's all.

[Ben Mandelker]

They love that for grape jelly. Love that for grape jelly.

[Kristen Anderson]

So he sees them all. So one of them was, let's not forget that this was the Craig that Paige inherited. She did way more for this spoiled brat than he ever did for her. And it's Craig from Reunion being like, like, all upset. And then it's like, Paige Desarbo, like.

[Ben Mandelker]

This, I'm Paige Desorbo and I approve this message.

[Kristen Anderson]

And then after he called her mean, she just put one little thing on her story. That said, I'm as mean as you make me.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So Taylor, do you have any advice for Craig about going through a public breakup? So Taylor's like, delete all videos and memories and personality and inflection in your voice.

[Kristen Anderson]

Don't leave any videos on your phone, because if you keep looking at them, you're going to just start thinking that every video is supposed to be covering the lens with foam as it progresses. Is Taylor spitting food coming out of his mouth?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, erasing memories is the step I'm getting into. Eternal sunshine of a storyteller's mind.

[Kristen Anderson]

So then Rodrigo's like, sex tapes. Got to delete the sex tapes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor Ann, did you delete all the videos of Shep the way they didn't delete the videos of you and showed them to the entire cast last season?

[Kristen Anderson]

Don't worry. Whitney still has her naked picture.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't have any pictures of him on my phone. It's not out of spite. It's just having basic human standards. Don't worry.

[Kristen Anderson]

I've got them if you ever need them. Memories like the corners of my garden. Beautiful.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thanks, Austin. I'll tell you one thing. Just when you. You thought we couldn't wedge this video in here, we're gonna do it, Austin. That video view pops up every single time. Cue it.

[Kristen Anderson]

Madison.

[Ben Mandelker]

Madison, Madison. Madison insane right now. Madison insane right now Madison Caught you by surprise, Austin.

[Kristen Anderson]

That thing has played more than Charlie Brown Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

The way they just drop that in there out of nowhere. They're just, you know, I have to say, golf clap to the editors. That was wonderful.

[Kristen Anderson]

So good.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was like. That was just like a jump scare. Like, I. That was. That was just, you know, beautiful.

[Kristen Anderson]

So then did she break up with you for a new guy? Because this was during that gossip sesh where it was Joe D'Amelio. Is she with Joe D'Amelio? And Craig's like, please. I told her, please, if you're with another guy, just put me out of my misery. Craig, you tried stopping me from putting you out of your misery every time I held one of your goddamn pillows over your face. Now you want it. I'm not driving all the way back there. And she promised she wasn't dating anyone or talking to anyone. And then she said, really? Sorry. I don't know why I'm talking like that. And then she said some really crazy stuff. Oh, yeah?

[Ben Mandelker]

What was it? What was it? Craig was a. Craig?

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah. What was the crazy stuff? Like, I want to know the crazy stuff. Like, what was. Doesn't matter. Okay? It's not crazy. She was just like. But why. Why didn't you try to get me back? No, she didn't she did not.

[Ben Mandelker]

She was like. She was like, you owe me $5. I told you I'd get you back someday, but I'm not going to do that.

[Kristen Anderson]

She was like, you stole one of my towels. You told me you would give it back. Give it back. So I was. I was like, you know, I have been trying to get you back. Like, that's not fair. And she was like, I think it's very clear we made the right decision. And I was like, we didn't make the decision. And she said, I meant me and my mom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you feel gas lit? Maybe. Well, why didn't you beg for her to come back? Well, because I knew, like, you shouldn't be dating someone you have to beg to be with. I'm like, well, that was after the first date. So I just wish that true.

[Kristen Anderson]

I've really been doing it wrong. Like, please come back. I didn't give you those M and M's. I said you could have one. Don't make me call Uber Eats. Come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, I think when you've been on this show and you've seen Catherine Dennis run down a pier going, tom, my ails, even Craig knows, maybe you don't beg, maybe you don't beg. She goes, I just wish she would have been honest from the beginning and none of this would have been happening. Craig, what part of her going for three years says she wasn't being honest?

[Kristen Anderson]

What part of my career will always come before being your wife and child did you not understand, sir? Cuz we've all been hearing this for the past year.

[Ben Mandelker]

What part of I hate coming down here and I hate you was not honest?

[Kristen Anderson]

So. Well, we obviously have a lot more to dig on this topic. We're going to somehow make this a three hour reunion. Welcome to this 20 more times. So now they go on break and they come back and Madison has had personal challenges which we're not going to talk about today because Ronnie is extremely bored by very dramatic storylines that involve cancer and dying.

[Ben Mandelker]

So fs, we are happy. We are very happy that Brett is great and we're happy that she's pregnant and has a healthy child.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yes, of course. Oh, my gosh.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, that was great. So we got a lot of your questions about this FaceTime call that happened between you, Brett and JT before the season happens. And JT's like, oh, thank you. Thank you for finally addressing this. Okay, so tell me what happened before I fall asleep.

[Kristen Anderson]

Now there is a clip going around. Well, it's on tv. Okay. It's going around in some circles. It was on television where JT does say, @ that golf place, like, what the hell? I mean, what would. How would you feel if Madison called you up and said, what's his face, Brett? Brett and I hooked up. So he did say that. But the way it's been taken after that has confused me because then didn't Madison say something at one point during the season where she was like, ah, we just called him because, you know, he had some questions about the trip. And then he was asking who I was hanging out with. Was Austin in the room? She said that, right? It's not in my head because I do make up things. I'm like a crazy person. Come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she basically, that was real.

[Kristen Anderson]

I thought we had something. I'm a go, go boy. I gave you $5.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Madison basically is like, look, you know, Brett and I, we called JT and we were just joking, like, oh, my God, what happened that crazy night? That was such a funny time. And JT's like, I mean, if we're gonna stick with the truth, I gotta defend myself. You and I thought we were friends. So when I get a phone call from a friend being like, serious questions, it makes me feel uncomfortable. Call me old fashioned, okay?

[Kristen Anderson]

Nobody was angry. Okay. We were laughing. Okay. It wasn't like we were, you know, jt, why are you hanging out with Madison? It wasn't like that, you know? And if JT felt like there was an issue and we were true friends, why don't just come to me instead of run behind my back? And he's like, cause I was uncomfortable with the two of you on FaceTime. How would you feel if two people called you on FaceTime?

[Ben Mandelker]

They ask you intimate questions like, do you lead a girl on before or after you have branzino?

[Kristen Anderson]

Yes. Well, I think it's probably not a great time to dive into the nitty gritty out of respect for Madison, you know, his relationship I really care about. He's giving the full Thomas Raven out.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Anderson]

Mayor Hands. Mayor Hands.

[Ben Mandelker]

Vanita's like, you didn't come here to look cute. Answer the question. And this is Sally's like, well, you love to make accusations and then you don't give details. Like, well, I don't need to. To dive into the details. I just need to drop sort of a general idea, start some rumors and be like, I'm a gentleman. That's it.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah, you do need to dive into details. It's part of the plot. Just do it. So he's like, well, you know, it was just questions. About what? Abouts whereabouts. Who's abouts. Who's it. What's. It's galore. You know how it goes. Were you on the beach? Who were you with? Who is in your room? Who was there? Did Austin have his penis? Anything? And I thought this was just gonna be a routine call, and it wasn't a routine call. And then I talked to the boys at the driving range, because that's what cool boys do, right? Boys, driving range.

[Ben Mandelker]

Madison finally comes through with some really solid evidence. She's like, look, if my. If my husband were jealous, she would not be happy about me filming my stupid motherfucking ex over there. Austin and this Shep and all the. Actually, maybe. Maybe you guys don't even have a chance. So, yeah, maybe he is jealous. You guys just don't have a chance to make him jealous. Yeah. So. Okay, I think about it that way instead.

[Kristen Anderson]

And do you understand how that's relayed back to me? It's a friend. And he's like, it was relayed. It was butchered. I never meant to say Brett thought we had sex. I meant to say Brett thought we were having a torrid love affair. Fan. Who could blame her?

[Ben Mandelker]

Vanita, you, obviously. You know, I'm assuming you've spoken to JT about this offline, and you're close with Madison. What do you think happened on the phone call?

[Kristen Anderson]

And Vanita, who's literally been staring at JT the whole time, she's like, I can't even look at him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Look at me, Ms. Ross.

[Kristen Anderson]

Oh, I love it here. Look.

[Ben Mandelker]

Clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.

[Kristen Anderson]

I mean, I get why Vanita's upset, you know, like, there's a reason I don't go on these group trips. And that's why you're fired, Leva.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, Leva.

[Ben Mandelker]

And this. This leads into a fight with Leva and Craig. That makes literally no sense. But it's fun to watch. She's like, you know, it gets complicated. You know? Like, honestly, I think he just wanted. You know, it got blown out of proportion. Should have just been like, look, I had a weird call with Bretton Madison. I don't really know how to navigate it, which I actually agree with. I agree with Lev on that point. And Craig's like, go back to what J.T. said earlier. She's like, no, you know, your words, right, Craig? Use your words.

[Kristen Anderson]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, hold on. Jesus Christ. So she's like, okay, well, anyway, what. As I was trying to say. Okay, well, I got it.

[Kristen Anderson]

Craig's doing that thing where he just keeps going and using like one syllable words until you stop. And like, Real Housewives do it, but they're more eloquent, you know, they'll be like, oh, I said what I said. I said what I said, why are you coming after me when I just said what I said, don't be trying to talk to me when I just said that. I was very eloquent when I said, But Craig's just like, why? Ugh. Argh.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, don't gaslight me. You're gaslighting me. I'm not gaslighting you. You're gaslighting me. And they're getting to this fight, like, Jesus Christ, Leva. And she's like, I can't deal with this guy anymore.

[Kristen Anderson]

Here's the thing. Leva is standing up for jt, which she should be for a in a moment. But right now, JT did say that. He didn't say we were fucking or anything right now, but I saw the TV clip, and JT did say, what would you feel if Brett thought we were screwing? Or whatever he said. So he's kind of right. But Craig is so belligerent already. You know, this is going to be a reunion of Craig lies, which I welcome, because whenever someone starts, they're like, I'm just a good little boy. I'm Carl. 97.8. I just cannot wait for that man to turn into a raging motherfucker again, you know? And so I love that Craig can't even keep it off. What did you say, Carl?

[Ben Mandelker]

97.8. Just going to stay. This is the one, Paul. This is the one that sticks. This one sticks. I met a girl. I met a girl at a softball game while I met her parents. Her name is Lil. I'm a new man.

[Kristen Anderson]

Guys, we're starting over. This is Carl Soft point zero.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I wasn't gonna go to the game. I was like, I don't know if I want to go to a baseball game. He said, don't worry, it's not a baseball game. It's a softball game. I said, I'm there staying on brand.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Craig's Craig has returned to belligerent Craig already. He's red facing. Shut up. That's stupid.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, do you. She's like, do you have to be rude right now, Craig? Why are you being so rude right now?

[Kristen Anderson]

How long does it take you to ask a question?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just trying to say some words. You're being so rude right now.

[Kristen Anderson]

Craig, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're saying gift.

[Kristen Anderson]

Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are there two of me talking right now? Do you think if Paige knew there was another one of me, she would date the other one of me instead?

[Kristen Anderson]

So, hey, dude, you need to be a man, and you need to say, I'm a man, and I lied. That's what we need from you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm being a man, and I'm telling you exactly what the you said times 10.

[Kristen Anderson]

Just say, I, Craig, lied. Craig, you have lost it. Craig, you have lost it. Craig lost it.

[Ben Mandelker]

He keeps calling me a liar. I didn't lie. Like, literally, Craig, you lie every single episode for every single show. It's been 10 years, so Leva's still getting in there. And I was like, despite Craig's. All of Craig's lies. Craig says, the line that I know made Ronnie stand up and cheer in his room. When Craig said, leva, you said more today than you did the whole season. I knew. I was like, that was for Ronnie. That was for Ronnie.

[Kristen Anderson]

So then Andy's like, well, Madison, you commented on Instagram that you planned on apologizing to JT at the reunion. That should be funny. Do it. She's like, God damn it. All right, well, I know how difficult it is to be short when you're a man, because I'm at the same eye level, and I can see the difference. Disappointment in your eyes every time you can't get on a roller coaster, and I'm sorry for that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do genuinely care about our friendship that we never really had. And she's like, it's being very sad, and, you know, it doesn't feel good this way. And I don't like not liking anyone, but when you're not born for corn, I just don't know how far this friendship can really last.

[Kristen Anderson]

But you need to understand that my family, I'll go to the ends of the earth for my family, I will go through the ends of the earth. I will go from the top of the corn all the way to the bottom of that stock for my family.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they both apologize. They actually have a nice apology, and, like, finally progress, and they move forward. And JT's like, by the way, I just want to say, while we're on this topic, I'm just gonna add this. Like, if I was married and my wife and I called you on FaceTime during our brand Zeno dinner and she deposed you, I think you would feel a little uncomfortable. And they're like, oh, jt, you almost had a win. You almost had a win, and you let it slip through your fingers.

[Kristen Anderson]

I never should have aired laundry that was dirty. When you didn't have the dirty laundry to air, did you? Your dirty laundry that I put up for the whole city to see. Your husband thinking you were banged me on the trunk of a. God damn it. I hate.

[Ben Mandelker]

He does. He does that annoying thing where he's like, how would you like it if you were to pose? And she's like, well, I mean, that's not nice. Oh, it's water under the bridge. I think we're done here. She's like, no, you can't just do that. So he really it up.

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, she's like the Lily. You know you are Delulu. It's fine. Whatever. So now we move on to. Madison's relationship wasn't the only one under a microscope. Even the eternal bachelor Sheppy founding a wading in unfamiliar waters with a new love interest. The former Miss Bahamas 21, who had a look on her face like she smelled a fart for 365 days straight.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. What a slow car crash we all witnessed. But I have a feeling Sienna would rather date a car crash than Shep. Okay, let's take a look.

[Kristen Anderson]

So. Wow. What are you doing right now? You must be so busy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm washing a surface.

[Kristen Anderson]

Wow. So, you know, you must not have much free time because you can't come see me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you. I think our connection isn't working anyway.

[Kristen Anderson]

Hey, I'm in the Bahamas. You want to watch me take off my clothes and put on other clothes?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm going to go downstairs. Stairs, I don't think.

[Kristen Anderson]

No, but they're all really good looking. I'm wearing tidy whities. Come back.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm. You're. I'm not here. This is just a. You're looking at a poster.

[Kristen Anderson]

I've been working on my dad bod to prove that I can comp. What do you call it when people agree to be with each other? Commit. I can commit.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm not familiar. I don't know who you are.

[Kristen Anderson]

Bye.

[Ben Mandelker]

My name's not Sienna. My name is Joanne Fabric. And I think you're talking to the wrong person. I'm a total stranger. No need to follow me around anymore.

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm coming to the age where even making a simple sentence is like a fucking game show. I mean, my God, what do you call it? What do you call it? It's a thing where two people, they say they'll be together, they'll stick together, they'll commit.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank You? Yes.

[Kristen Anderson]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just want to say, before we get into your relationship, I just want to say you really have done a full 180 from BravoCon. You've gone from getting wasted in Las Vegas to wasted in the Bahamas. So congratulations.

[Kristen Anderson]

Absolutely amazing. You got so wasted. You got kicked out of Bravocon. And this year, you only got kicked out of a casino in the Bahamas and slept on a bench.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm a good little boy, and I don't find getting drunk funny anymore. I find it horrifying when the night gets out of control. So now when I go on a bender, I cry afterwards instead of laughing, but I still go on the bender because, you know, I can't help myself.

[Kristen Anderson]

And Austin's like, yeah, like, chef's been more fun lately than he's been so long. He's been drunk the whole time. Austin, we know that. Austin only cares if you're drunk and doing coke with him the whole fucking time. And he's got it. He's like, leave Shep alone. I've already lost Craig.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shep is way better than he was. My concern is that the risk of ending up where you don't want to be is still present. And I think if you were to stop working on yourself now, then you would end up back to where you were. Like, he is where he was. He has not changed.

[Kristen Anderson]

Every man on this show is like, look how much I've changed. None of you have changed. What are you talking about? Craig's handing out sobriety chips. You did never. You never got sober, sir. We have not seen one day of it. What are you acting like you just went a year? You know, I can't wait.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, stop that. I'm trying to do things that I love, whether that's maintaining friendships or travel or never having a job for the rest of my life.

[Kristen Anderson]

I just want to do things to bring me joy. Masturbating to random girls on Riot brings me joy. What do you want from me? All right, well, one of the biggest changes had to do with Sienna. You know, people were surprised that you fell hard for her. They said, what would be attractive about a man who can't commit about finding a beautiful beauty queen who's untouchable and very far away and will never be able to know what he's doing in his hometown. Crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Crazy. Fell in love with. You know, Andy is so. I love when Andy. Andy slides in a shady thing because he's like, well, I think a lot of viewers were surprised that you fell so Hard, because you've always been a playboy, even when you're in a relationship with Taylor. Taylor's like.

[Kristen Anderson]

Taylor. Taylor's best move. This whole reunion is just her, like, be Arthur and the Golden Girls. Look, when someone says something offensive, she's just like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get this. Get her a job at the dmv because she is ready. She's. No, not this dmv. The. Because the way she just looks at you, she's just like, next. Wow.

[Kristen Anderson]

Sienna was, for lack of a better word, intoxic.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's why he liked her. She was intoxicating.

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm a changed man. So Austin's like, he just missed Taylor. That was the whole thing with Sienna. I mean, look at Taylor. She's exactly like Sienna. A beautiful black beauty queen from the Bahamas with jobs and multiple offers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, is this uncomfortable for you to be hearing Taylor? And she's like, no, I don't care about that girl or that relationship because I don't have emotions anymore. I've been ground to a pulp by the show, and now I am just an AI simulation of skin and mascara.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Andy wants Shep to apologize because on the show, he said, you know, Sienna's different than Taylor. She's smart, she's driven, she's independent. You know, a lot of things Taylor wasn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me. Taylor is very driven. She was handing out freebies at Republic to promote a drink.

[Kristen Anderson]

So. And, well, I mean, look at what Shep's doing. You know, I went to the Konubas and Penumbas. It was amazing. So Andy's like, well, Shep, you said this in season two. And we see the clip of Shep when. And Thomas Ravenel is dating Catherine. He's like, wow, if I'm ever the guy who's like, 46 in some bar hitting on some girl half his age, just shoot me in the fucking face. Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Guard.

[Kristen Anderson]

What a loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

Out of nowhere, Cameron comes out with the gun. She's like, all right, Shepard, you asked for it.

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm putting you down here to hold you accountable.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shepherd Leva goes, that didn't age well. Which is funny. It works on multiple levels.

[Kristen Anderson]

No, neither did anyone here. Neither did any of the guys here. So Shep's like, yeah, well, you know, I probably said a lot of things I would take back, you know, but, hey, there's a whole movement of young women who are into older guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, I'm so happy to hear that this is finally a thing. I was.

[Kristen Anderson]

It's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, God, I just wish Erica Girardi would experience what an older man is like. Ashley Darby, you know, like, if she understood the pleasures of the wrinkled flesh, Shep can show the way.

[Kristen Anderson]

The only guys that's not happening to is poor guys. It's so weird.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Molly. Molly chimes in. She's like, oh, yeah, that's a thing.

[Kristen Anderson]

So Sally loves an older man. And everyone's like, okay, so then. So, like, how old will you go? And Craig's like, 80. And they start laughing, and she's like, oh, y'all. What's his name? Facebook. Or Facebook. Right? Facebook.

[Ben Mandelker]

Molly goes, I mean, I would do 50s. I mean, I already fucked Whitney.

[Kristen Anderson]

I know we don't like to be reminded of things, but you guys live in a historical town. Every time you pass the statue, you have to be reminded of shit. It's like watching Southern Charm full of statues that need to be torn down.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, it's nice that we let the ensemble members talk, but now let's get back to Shep. All right, Shep, we gotta talk about the text. All right, we gotta talk about.

[Kristen Anderson]

And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And of course, we get the flashback of Karsh. One cannot hold back a heart that beats so readily in the still of night. And if I know one thing, your pretty little freckled lips will say nothing but kisses and love going forth. And so concludes my TED Talk.

[Kristen Anderson]

You're like a beautiful clear bottle that needs to be recycled. So I put it in a bin and wait for it to come out even clearer the next time. And still full of water, you dewy fucking beaut. And he's like, wow, that was swingers level bad. And then they cut to all the younger women on this cast who are like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like, shep is a swinger.

[Kristen Anderson]

What the fuck is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shep. Andy's like, well, what. What were you thinking when you sent that? And actually, I have to move my chair to do the full. Well, I was. I was up until 6am and I couldn't stop thinking about it. It was a lot. It was totally cool. I was totally chill about it. And it was a lot.

[Kristen Anderson]

It was a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

But you know what? It was everything.

[Kristen Anderson]

Everything was fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I was like, I have to take the subjects. But, like, everything's totally fine.

[Kristen Anderson]

It's a plot line on all these shows that someone wants to do, like, foot porn. You know, like on Vanderpump Rules, when the girl's like, let's raise money by doing foot porn. Shep could do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shep could provide energy for so Many homes with the wind power he generates from his foot. I know there's a crackdown on the episode epa, but, like, you can't spell EPA without spelling shepherd, or I guess the other way around.

[Kristen Anderson]

So. Yeah, well, you know, Shep knew prior to going that he was probably gonna get dumped, you know, and he said, I'm gonna look like the biggest tool. America's gonna love me. I was like, good luck, bro. Good luck. And Rodrigo goes, yeah. It was a weird day for freckled lips.

[Ben Mandelker]

See you next season. Andy Ryan's backstage. Like, I would have been up on your gay. So Molly's like, you know, that's, like, really powerful to be vulnerable.

[Kristen Anderson]

It's like when I went to that gelato shop and I got a latte and a gelato.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that was a vulnerable moment for me. I don't know if you've done a lot in the past, and I just don't want you to lose that vulnerability, Chef. Because she hurt you. Because your vulnerability is an amazing thing. Hey, do you want to hear a song I wrote about vulnerability? It goes like this.

[Kristen Anderson]

Wow. Wow. There's part of me that's like, wow. Shep's getting a taste of his own medicine. So what does penicillin taste like, Chef?

[Ben Mandelker]

Vulnerability is a big point of mine these days.

[Kristen Anderson]

Getting your heart broken.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can turn that into something useful, like, I don't know, a wonderful bender that lasts four days.

[Kristen Anderson]

You know, being vulnerable and going through so much trauma, it ended up getting my dad so many American airline smiles. I went to Cuba. So he's like, yeah, you know, I was in the Bahamas on a boat with her family and friends. Well, that doesn't sound like she has any money at all, which makes this interesting. And she said, I want you to buy me that house. And I was like, honey, I can't afford that house. But then she went to a Forbes conference, and she had a business idea, and she met a guy, and. And he's a Denver Bronco. So he said he would fund her business, and boom, she wanted to marry him. I was like, you are such a fucking asshole, sir. That is so low. And he's been doing it for weeks. But now he came with, like, a longer story of, like, she doesn't like me. Cause she's just a gold digging whore. And you know what gold digging whores want to do with the money they get? They want to open women's health consulting online businesses for, like. You should have left that part out, Shep. He's like, she just wants to Help poor people get health insurance.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a. I mean, what kind of miserable person dumps a guy with the body of a salmon for. For a successful rich man with. With a body like stone? I mean, it just doesn't make sense. I don't understand what her motivations were.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah, so she.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like. He's like, yeah, it turned out this guy was a Denver Bronco. And, you know, he showed up at this conference with a big, long, hard, veiny, pulsating.

[Kristen Anderson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we camping? You're giving me a tent here? All right, could you just get to the point?

[Ben Mandelker]

Credit card. Credit card.

[Kristen Anderson]

Oh, damn. You had a black hammax. He's like, yeah, and I only have a platinum Amex.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shep is like, by the way, I have a friend whose husband is a Denver Bronco or maybe has a. Has a Ford Bronco.

[Kristen Anderson]

Whatever this.

[Ben Mandelker]

They say that he's on the starting bench now, so. Oh, well, look at her. Bitch of the year.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah, I know a coach, so I get all the skinny. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

If she wound up with a Denver Bronco, I. You know what? I am. I've never been more proud of her because she deserves that. She should not be wasting her pretty on Shep because she has a lot of pretty. A lot of pretty. And Shep has a lot of chef earwax.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah, so Molly's like, yeah, you see? So, like, that was her deal. You know, it's not your deal. So, like, your deal is your deal, and her deal is her. Molly, girl, I like you, but I just want to fast forward two seasons when you're on the other side of the couch crying, sobbing, probably holding a baby at this point, wondering why this man cheated on you 20 times with 20 year olds. Just stop.

[Ben Mandelker]

So having. Have you spoken since the show aired with Sienna? Yeah, she texted me the other day and said, you're sharing intimate details of our relationship. And I said, you're sharing intimate details.

[Kristen Anderson]

Of your freckles on your pretty little lips. And she said, I didn't sign up for this. And he's like. And I was like, his guilt ankle is still shaking. What am I like? Goes, yeah, girl. Yes, you did. You were searching for this on Raya. No, that girl stayed off of tv. Like, give the girl a break. She wasn't coming here begging to be on tv. Every time he was trying to get her to break up with him on tv, she refused. Leave the girl alone.

[Ben Mandelker]

They tried to make it seem like she was they tried to make it seem like she was a stalker, and we were already. We're already like. Like, oh, look at this one. She just wants to be on tv. She could not have stayed farther away from those cameras.

[Kristen Anderson]

I mean, the person on Bravo who's wanted to be on that channel the least out of any show that we've ever seen.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, you were very open about wanting to get married and settle down in Siena. Do you still feel like that's something you want if you met the right person?

[Kristen Anderson]

He's like, yeah, well, what about Molly? And Molly's like, oh, my God. I just got, like, excited slash anxious.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Molly and Shep got a lot of audience response when it came to your friendship. Like, I love how little chemistry they have. Or, who is that girl with the tuba anyway? Or Shep has more chemistry with a can of tuna than Molly.

[Kristen Anderson]

Chris from CO Even said Molly has the face of a teenager watching their parents unable to talk in a carpool line because their stuck on a game called Wordle. Molly's just like.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, the. Shep is like, well, I didn't go after Molly because I thought I was in another relationship. And Molly's like, exactly. I wasn't gonna throw myself at Shep when I could throw myself to my tuba.

[Kristen Anderson]

So he's like, so you guys made out of the finale. Did you bone? And Molly's like, yeah, yeah, we did. We did. It was. It was like the greatest four minutes of my life. It was really, really good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it happened twice. Gosh. So Andy's like, okay, not more than twice.

[Kristen Anderson]

I couldn't. I was in Shunuba, Renumba, Grenadines.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Madison, you've been friends with Molly for a long time. Do you think those two could be a love match? Is anyone actually interested in these questions I'm asking right now?

[Kristen Anderson]

Well, this. This version of Shep that's pretended to be a decent person, sure, but the old washed up, paid less leather version with wooden teeth, and the daddy who's racist probably insists on Phoenician shutters in every goddamn house and throws cans at homeless people's heads. Probably not.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Shep, we're gonna leave it there and take a quick break. All right, we're back. All right, we are back with the Southern Charm reunion as the moment everyone's been waiting for. What's been going on with JT and Vanita? The pressing question on America's mind.

[Kristen Anderson]

Vanita, you have not stopped staring at JT this entire. She's like, no, I'm not. I can't even see him, the lights are so bright.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, Ms. Ross, still gonna say it. So people are saying that your relationship was fake. She's like, they can fuck off. All right.

[Kristen Anderson]

Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, that was exciting.

[Kristen Anderson]

Now, let me assure you, this relationship was very, very real. I mean, she's lovely in every single way. She's got a dog. A dog with sweaters. Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charles. Charles, Charles. Stop bringing up.

[Kristen Anderson]

I'm not paid to be on this goddamn show. If you want me in another scene, you'll get me a goddamn contract.

[Ben Mandelker]

Charles, you don't know this, but Charles wears a turban and giant, big rimmed glasses off camera.

[Kristen Anderson]

So she's a lovely, lovely girl. I cannot speak highly of Anita. She is one of the most highly reputable ladies that I've ever dumped and ghosted.

[Ben Mandelker]

Le. When did you realize there was something going on between them? Well, I picked up on the chemistry on the bus to Madison's party when I was like, why does this feel gross in here all of a sudden?

[Kristen Anderson]

I, like, saw him sweating, and I was like, why is that guy always sweating? And then I saw Vanita looking at him sweating, and I was like, that's the only person who can stand to look at that douchebag sweating. And I was like, oh, my God. Vanita needs a storyline.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then they're asking if they have they made out or something like that. And JT's like, I'll let the ladies speak on behalf of th.

[Kristen Anderson]

So they're saying, did that happen? And they're basically asking with their bones, you know? And Chef's like, did it. Did it happen? Did you? She's like, you tell him, jt. Jt, why don't you tell him? He goes, no, we didn't bang it out. And so she's like, okay, classy. Say, well, did you at least make out? I'll let the lady speak on behalf of that lady. Hold on. Let me put my jacket over this ottoman in case you'd like to walk over it to come to my side.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, we did make out. And finally Andy goes, all right. With all team, why weren't you guys bucking?

[Kristen Anderson]

MC is like, we weren't sure. We were just trying to take it one day at a time. Oh, I've tried that. It's bullshit. Don't do it. Ayahuasca retreats. That's where it's at.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, one of the biggest surprises was when you brought up your girlfriend to Vanita at after she invited you over to her house for branzino. Why keep your girlfriend secret? Was she even real in the first place?

[Kristen Anderson]

So talk about why you're keeping her a secret. And JT goes, yeah, well, we are there. That was the corner of first and name and story. Jt, you didn't come better prepared than. Than this. Yeah, we're all confused over that. I mean, no one more than me. This keeps me up at night. When I saw this preview and Vanita's like, I'm getting my phone. I have receipts. I was like, do you? Cuz what the is going on? What Marvel universe is this? Okay, here's their timeline. Let's just simplify it. Supposedly they went to dinner with his girlfriend and Bunny, the mom, which I still can't get over, and just come here, Bunny, Bunny. Money. Money. So they went to dinner with them and she met the girlfriend, right? So then they started filming the show and they were pretending to flirt while she supposedly knew he had a girlfriend. But then they went to the Bahamas, and then she tried to bang him, and he's like, but wait, I have a girlfriend. And then she was like, but I still. I don't care. That girl's getting crumbs or whatever. And then they. He keeps flirting with her, by the way, I need to add in there. He keeps looking into her eyes and going, well, we've just got such chemistry. So then she makes him a branzino, and he's like, by the way, I have a girlfriend. She's like, what? So then after the season finishes, then she started dating him again. He broke up with that girlfriend. And then she says he ghosted him, but he says she ghosted. Wait, he says she ghosted her. What am I saying? They're saying they ghosted each other. And then he went Instagram famous with his girlfriend, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

She said that they were date. They. They. She went out of town, she came back, they started dating, and they were. They had a few weeks where they were like dating and talking every. Every night. And then the super teaser for the show dropped and everyone was like, oh, my God, Vanita is. Has a storyline. And then that's when the girlfriend was like, now wait a second. And she called up and was like, like, you better. You better stop dating Jarrett.

[Kristen Anderson]

And oh yeah, she wrote her the nasty message on the thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, I know. Vanita's mad.

[Kristen Anderson]

Yeah, that's a lot of. I don't understand. Okay, here's what I can understand. He's leading her on, even though he's dating this other girl. And Then he starts kind of having it both ways where he gets a good storyline with the cute girl and then still banging this girl on the side, but then breaks. This girl probably breaks up with him when she starts seeing footage. And then so he's like, well, it I'm broken up with, I'll start dating Vanita. But then she sees a super teaser and she's like, oh, hell no, I'm not losing this one. Get your ass back over here and put it on Instagram. He's like, okay. And Vanita's like, well, ma, I used all my fish. Either way, sure, Vanita, get more self respect. And jt, stop leading people on. You're so fucking lucky you can even get a half of a person to lead on to get the fuck out of here. Jt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I liked Andy, who was like, well, jt, last year in the group, you performed a fuckboy exorcism. But it seems like the fuckboy went to you.

[Kristen Anderson]

He's like, widen, fucker. So I guess he doesn't go to me. I was like, oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, and then Austin goes, how the tables have turned. I'm like, yes, they still have a lot. Those tables have a lot of saliva on them now.

[Kristen Anderson]

Jesus. So then they start arguing over these DMS that the girlfriend sent him. And Vanita's like, I told you to do something about it. And you said, I can't do anything about it. And then I said, I got to pump the brakes. And I was like, girl, you would have been in a wreck so long ago. You were driving. Your instincts are late, but at least they're there. So she says, remember when I texted you? I was like, I need a second. And then you ghosted me for a week. He says, you ghosted me. And it hurt my feelings. But then in all the interviews, she's saying that he ghosted her. This whole thing is too confusing and it's too non interesting to be this confusing.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you can see when she's like, I'm gonna go get my phone. You can see Andy's face like, is this really going to be our cliffhanger for the week?

[Kristen Anderson]

Yes. So the best part is she goes, oh, yeah, you want to see receipts? He goes, I do. And she's like, fine, I'm going to get my phone. He goes, you go get it then.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, and then she can't get out the door. And then he tells her.

[Kristen Anderson]

Andy tells her, what are you doing? You're going out a said door. This door doesn't Open. She's like, I'm going out looking cute.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then of course, to cap it off, Molly goes. Molly literally goes. Receipts, proof, timeline, everything. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Washington, D.C. for a great night.

[Kristen Anderson]

Thank you so much.

[Ben Mandelker]

We love you guys. Oh, my God, there's so many of you. Thank you.

[Kristen Anderson]

Thank you.

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