#2786 RHOBH S1418 Part One: Give ‘Em Hell, Garcelle!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens Episode #2786 – RHOBH S1418 Part One: Give ‘Em Hell, Garcelle!

Release Date: April 2, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2786 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the latest reunion of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 18 (RHOBH S1418), aptly titled "Give ‘Em Hell, Garcelle!". The duo brings their signature blend of humor, critique, and insightful commentary to dissect the drama-filled reunion, focusing primarily on host Garcelle Beauvais and her interactions with other cast members.

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Reunion Overview

Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam commence the episode by expressing their anticipation and excitement for the RHOBH reunion, setting the stage for their in-depth analysis.

Ben Mandelker [05:24]: "Let's talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion part one."

Garcelle Beauvais Under Fire

The primary focus of the reunion revolves around Garcelle Beauvais, whose storyline and behavior become central points of contention among the housewives.

• Kyle Richards’ Criticism: Kyle expresses significant frustration towards Garcelle, labeling her storyline as uninteresting and questioning her authenticity.

  Ben Mandelker [06:19]: "And then from that point on, it was just like seeing red."

  Ronnie Karam [07:34]: "It's not about anybody else's storylines being good or not. It's about you being a fucking hypocrite. As usual, Kyle."

• Garcelle’s Defensive Stance: Garcelle responds defensively when confronted, attempting to deflect the criticism by highlighting her personal achievements, such as purchasing two homes.

  Ben Mandelker [18:44]: "At least she's trying to give us something. At least she's like, all I've got is a beach house and black girl missing. And that's really all I can give you at this point."

Conflict Between Housemates

The reunion showcases escalating tensions, especially between Garcelle and Kyle, with other housewives like Dorit Kemsley and Erica Schoenberg adding fuel to the fire.

• Dorit’s Accusations: Dorit takes a strong stance against Kyle, accusing her of hypocrisy and undermining her personal struggles.

  Ronnie Karam [43:14]: "She's the same. She is the same. She is the same shallow ass, wearing fake ass things, using fake ass ass money."

• Erica’s Involvement: Erica's interactions hint at underlying tensions, particularly concerning personal issues like PK (presumably Erica’s husband) and his sobriety.

  Ben Mandelker [46:31]: "PK is a monster behind the scenes, but she did come onto the season, and we joked about it quite a bit."

Hosts’ Perspectives

Ben and Ronnie offer sharp critiques of the housewives' behaviors and interactions, often highlighting hypocrisy and manipulation.

• Hypocrisy Highlighted: The hosts point out Kyle Richards' inconsistency in her criticisms, suggesting she fails to support fellow housewives when necessary.

  Ben Mandelker [42:07]: "Kyle is using this against Dorit. When Dorit is going through a life change, we joke about PK, but Dorit is going through a divorce."

• Character Analysis: The hosts dissect the personalities and motivations of the housewives, offering candid opinions on their authenticity and role within the group dynamics.

  Ronnie Karam [64:36]: "Bo's really excited in the group scenes, I think, and with the other ladies as well. Just like, that's okay."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ben Mandelker [06:19]: "It's not about anybody else's storylines being good or not. It's about you being a fucking hypocrite. As usual, Kyle."

• Ronnie Karam [17:15]: "It's not about anybody else's storylines being good or not. It's about you being a fucking hypocrite. As usual, Kyle."

• Ben Mandelker [43:11]: "I hate this take from Kyle because Kyle is using this against Dorit... It makes me also furious that she says, I know Dori so well, and I can see this is a different side from her."

• Ronnie Karam [62:49]: "Editors, where are you? Okay, stop building up Dorit. If you're going to rip everybody down, rip them all together evenly."

• Ben Mandelker [68:05]: "Because we're here, as usual."

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Insights and Analysis

The hosts delve into the intricate web of relationships and conflicts among the RHOBH cast members. They emphasize the recurring themes of hypocrisy, lack of genuine support, and the superficiality that often plagues reality TV dynamics.

• Hypocrisy of Kyle Richards: Ben and Ronnie criticize Kyle for her selective support, highlighting her tendency to condemn others while ignoring her own flaws. This pattern undermines the integrity of her criticisms towards Garcelle and Dorit.

• Dorit’s Aggression: Dorit's increased aggression and confrontation are interpreted by the hosts as a reaction to her own personal struggles, particularly her divorce from PK. The hosts suggest that Dorit's behavior is a manifestation of her frustration and unmet storyline opportunities.

• Garcelle’s Authenticity Questioned: Garcelle’s defensive measures, such as bringing crystals and extravagant gifts, are portrayed by the hosts as attempts to mask her insecurities and redirect the narrative in her favor.

• Impact of Personal Struggles on Group Dynamics: The episode showcases how personal issues, like PK’s sobriety and Dorit’s divorce, spill over into the group interactions, creating a tense and volatile environment.

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Conclusion

In this first part of their two-part recap, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide a thorough and entertaining analysis of the RHOBH Season 18 reunion. Their candid discussions shed light on the underlying tensions and hypocrisies within the cast, particularly focusing on Garcelle Beauvais's contentious interactions with Kyle Richards and Dorit Kemsley. The hosts adeptly balance humor with sharp criticism, offering listeners a compelling breakdown of the drama that unfolded during the reunion.

Tune in to part two for further insights and continuation of the RHOBH Season 18 reunion recap.

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Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Hi. I'm good. I've been looking all over my red light pen and I can't find it. So I'm just aging, aging rapidly into this recap.

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you look in the red light district for.

[Ronnie Karam]

I did and I left limping. What the heck?

[Ben Mandelker]

So while Ronnie looks for his red light thing, let me tell you about what's going on over here, which is that we are, we are through almost all of the tour. We are, I think we're definitely at the halfway mark for sure. So next week we are, we have a triple header. We are going to Boston at the Wilbur, then we're going to Detroit to St. Andrews hall and then park west in Chicago. Three amazing shows. Chicago is pretty much sold out. We'll let you know if we can release any more seats for that. But thanks to everyone who bought tickets for all the shows. Really, we're gonna have so much fun. We'll have announcements about what shows we'll be covering later this week. Keep an eye out on our social media for that. And then in May, we are going to Austin, we are going to Dallas, and we are going to Las Vegas. We've never done a Vegas show, so that's going to be wild. Our first ever Vegas show. And then we are hoping to have. Well, we do have two more shows that we are adding, but we are waiting for confirmation on the dates before we say anything more. But there will be two more cities added to our itinerary. So go to watchercraft.com to get your tickets. That's where you find links to everything, including our Patreon. Patreon.com watch or crappens if you want to go there directly. You can get access to things like our weekly bonus episode. And we are recapping what the White Lotus. We had a lot of fun recapping this week's episode and my heart was so warmed when I saw a video on Instagram of Guy Talk, the actor who plays Guy Talk, singing I like the way you work it. No diggity. I was like, is there anything Guy Talk can't do, right? So he's wonderful. And go check out our bonus episodes because we have so much fun with them. And watch us on Video with crap is on demand. Hi. Everyone can see us. So with that all being said, let's talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion part one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Let's do it. What do you think, Ronnie?

[Ronnie Karam]

Pretty infuriating episode. But it always is when it's the final. The final. What do I call them? That. The Fox Force. Whatever they are now. Fox. Fox Force 4. That. How many of them are left? I guess it's just three left now, right? Fox Force 3. Yeah, the box kind of going off people. And then Kyle Victimy. But you know what? I love to yell and scream and rage. And so that's what I'm here to do today. Party. So it's going to be a good day for me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was a very rage inducing episode. It was funny at first, but then when they really started to go for Garcelle, it made me so mad, really. The turning point was where Erica said that Garcelle was not interesting, which we all are like. Like, you are the last person to talk about this. Okay. And then from that point on, it was just like seeing red. Yeah, it was just seeing red the whole rest of the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

But stop saying seeing red. I can't find my red light wand. So here we are, Reunion part one. The cars are arriving in Holywood and the producer's checking with Kyle, of course, first, because she's the star. And they're like, how you feeling, Kyle? Did you catch up on the episodes? You a lesbian yet? And she's like, that's not funny. You know what? This hasn't been very funny. Watch. And there's so many snakes in the grass. No one did anything to you, Kyle.

[Ben Mandelker]

No one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Literally no one did anything to you except ask you a couple of questions. Calm down.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle is so activated. Like, literally. You're right. There was no storyline that was like, let's take Kyle down. It was to reach. She had issues with Dorit, which were settled halfway through the season. And then Garcelle deigned to ask one or two questions about Morgan Wade, and now she's all super activated about it. She is so over the top. I think the reason why she's really mad, truly, is because this was supposed to be her divorce season with Mauricio, and instead it became Dorit's divorce season. And I think Kyle is furious. And she's like, she's so angry, but she doesn't want to say, this was supposed to be my divorce season. So she's just like channeling it out on projecting it Onto everyone else. Like there's so many snakes in the grass. Not letting me have my storyline, but I think that's what it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I just think she's an asshole and she needs to be a victim because that's her thing. And don't worry, she'll get it. But today she came in for fighting. She's like, I'm gonna fight today with 20 pounds of fake hair on my head. And so she, you know, she, she did her thing and she did it in a really awful outfit. I mean, my God, who dressed you? I mean, tell me there, what happened? What happened there? It's like gold, gold sparkles. And then it's kind of cut off. And then there's that flesh looking material that's not the same color as her skin. And it just looks, it just looks.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like, it was like C3PO wanted to go, you know, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

C3P. No, ma'am, I was making an.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

C3P. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

C3P. No. C3P. Ho, no. And now, okay, this just in from the Robot Press. Hello, C3P. Robot Press. You don't want, you do not want to get a bad write up. And then robot press. I'll tell you that much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they're like, that outfit is not conductive. So next up, Bose comes and she brought a gallon of water. Like the pose reminds me of coming to parties with M and Ms. In my pocket. Like, what if their food sucks? You know, you go, you always have to have something. Like I always have to have something to eat just in case. And Bose doesn't think they're going to have water at the reunion. I mean, what have these, how have these people treated Bose all year that she thinks she needs to drink her own water?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, we do. There is like a low key tradition of watching reunion episodes where you see people say, can I, can I get something to drink? I'm just like really parched up here. So maybe she's seen a lot of. It won't be a problem for me. I'm bringing a hydro jug.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I wish she had pulled it out from behind the couch. She's like, you can't make accusations like that. Hold on, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

She just brings in a sparklet thing right behind her. And then just like a giant, like bendy, like camelback straw that comes around. He's like, excuse me.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's wearing one of those hats on her head with a beer inside and a straw coming down on the side.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, pardon me, must stay hydrated. I invented water and Dorit's not comfortable.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, just get me into glam. Please, Please. It's been a long ride. Don't look at me. I'm in jogging pants. Please don't look at me until I'm at glam.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Sutton goes into Garcelle's dressing room, and she's like, well, I got you a reunion present. And Garcelle's like, oh, that is so nice of you to do that. Yeah, it's actually. It's actually a cake for my mother in the shape of a middle finger. It's really, really rude. I just had to do it in order to keep her love.

[Ronnie Karam]

I paid for it with 30 pieces of gold, which I was paid to betray you in this reunion.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I like that she has her own musical singer. She's like, I'm not gonna wait for Bravo to do this.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's 14 times for Kyle. Guy is 14 years old, about how old she acts during most of this reunion. And Garcelle is. Gar Got a vibrator. That was the gift, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

That was the gift. Yeah. I forgot about that. She got a vibrator. Kyle also literal gift.

[Ronnie Karam]

A literal you gift.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Kyle is trying on new personalities today. So today's personality is that she is going to be into crystals, which she never was, but whether it was Kong Minkoff or the rocks.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me see. I get. I wonder where she got into crystals. Would Morgan Wade happen to be into crystals? I wonder.

[Ben Mandelker]

What are the odds?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Should I look it up? Morgan Wade, crystals. This where she's like. She's like, I really love crystals. Sometimes what I do is I put the crystals at my window seal and I hope for baked beans.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, I suffer from anxiety. One thing that always helps me. Crystals. Crystals. Crystals. Morgan Wade, crystals.

[Ben Mandelker]

Crystal content.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it just says it's Crystal Kung Minkoff articles. What the hell?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm looking through Morgan's. Her Instagram. So far, it's only allowing me on the desktop. It's only allowing me to see, like, a few pictures. Okay, let's see. She's got. I'm sure there's stories. I'm sure it's not on her grid, but I'm sure there are stories that are like crystals.

[Ronnie Karam]

I looked up to just have better luck to find it without having Crystal coming me cough. I looked up this time. Morgan Wade, Crystal addiction. Thinking, you know, someone that really likes crystals. And it said, AI Al, as I call her Al, says there's no indication in the search results that Morgan Wade has crystal addiction. Or any addictions beyond her past struggles with alcohol. Also, I wasn't saying crystal meth. Jesus Christ.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. That was. Did Kyle Richards write that? AI, there's no indication that she has any sort of addiction, so I really would appreciate if you just don't talk. She did not sign up for this Internet. Okay. Like, you can't talk about her.

[Ronnie Karam]

I am kind of worried, though, because now that I'm looking at this, her albums are puppets with my heart, which I don't really get. Reckless, psychopath and obsessed. Are you writing anything that's not about Kyle lately? Geez. So she's not married and does not have children. Except for Kyle. Okay. I can't find anything about Morgan Wade and crystals. I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Am I still trying to get onto her Instagram? But since I'm doing on the desktop, it's like I have to go through, like, so many different, like, hoops to sign in. I'm got to go to an authenticator. I'm like, I'm literally losing my mind right now. And I'm like, just trying to find some crystal content, and it's like, I'm mad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let me see her crystal content. Okay, here's. I'm on her Instagram now. She's playing the guitar a lot. She loves to sit and play, which, you know what? I respect that I'm. I would not stand and play either. I don't know. I don't understand people who stand and play the guitar. She does push ups. She puts her hair through. She puts her hand through her hair a lot. And let's see. No crystal.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she has a huge bicep. I'm so jealous of her body.

[Ronnie Karam]

Her arms and her back are amazing. Jesus, I have a crush on Morgan Wade. I'm gonna start DMing Morgan right now. She's got a Frenchie with a cigar in its mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

The Frenchie count as a crystal.

[Ronnie Karam]

She loves her friend. She has a really cute Frenchie. Let's see here. We're not supposed to.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it'll be so disappointing anti.

[Ronnie Karam]

LGBTQP that Kyle said, you know, we can't talk about.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would. I will be so upset if it turns out that Kyle got her crystal thing from Fair Resnick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ew.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like, favorite was like, I'm really into crystals right now. And I told Kyle, you gotta really try. You gotta charge them in the sun. It brings a great energy. I'm like, oh, man. All this time, I thought it was Morgan waivers. Just Faye Resnick.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I went through Morgan Wade's Entire thing. Entire Instagram did not find one crystal. I did, however, find a lot of flannel, so there's that. Okay, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you know what I found? Oh, you know what I found here on Morgan Wade's Instagram, Kyle's wardrobe from the past year. So it looks like this is Kyle's entire stylistic look is Right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kyle's personality mood board is on Morgan Waves Instagram.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, here. You know what I found, Kyle? Kyle's personality right here. Morgan Wayne's Instagram.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we go into the room, into the reunion room, you know. Well, first it's the dressing room, and he's like, hi, Kyle. So he goes in to say hi to her, and he asked her about the double standards because she's asking other people to share, but she won't share. And Kyle's like, oh, really? What have we seen from Garcelle's life? And Sutton, like, I mean. I mean, she has a sustainability line. Cool, Cool. Sutton Gray.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle, what? Kyle, do you just. Does she just doesn't even realize anything happened in Augusta. She was like, yeah, like, we went to, like, Georgia for some reason and, like, had, like, a meal, then went home. Like, thanks. Thanks for the free trip.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's like, no suicide storylines. Yeah. Nothing happening was.

[Ben Mandelker]

We went on. We went shopping for, like, furniture in some random lady's house. And then Sutton cried about it. I didn't even understand, like, thanks for showing us that you like furniture or something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So. And let's face it, nobody has the most exciting storylines. It's like, personally, like, nobody's really doing that much. Garcelle, listen. And somebody commented today, you know, you guys. You guys have been complaining about Garcelle's beach house storyline for years. Like, what? That. Why are you so hypocritical? Well, yeah, but the point is, we've always said that. It's not like we've stood back from that. We've pretty much taken the stance that she's really good in the group scenes, calling people out. That's what she's great with on this show. Her. Her alone scenes do kind of suck, but so do Erica's. So do Kyle's. So do Dorit's. So does everybody's on this show. So give me a break. It's not about that. The point is, is that Kyle has something that people are asking her about that she's not talking about. If Garcelle. All these boyfriends, and she was refusing to talk about it, that would be one thing. But the point is, Kyle, you have something that you're like, calling the paps for publicly to get all over any press that you can, and then you won't talk about it on the show. And then you get on everybody else about Shar life. It's about you being a hypocrite. Do you understand?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not about anybody else's storylines being good or not. It's about you being a fucking hypocrite. As usual, Kyle. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And then the added soup song of Erika Jane coming onto this show. Erika Jane who we've never seen one of her actual friends who's not, like, paid for coming on here, talking about how Garcelle is not interesting and how Gar. Like, who is. She's asking, who is Garcelle dating or sleeping with? And we've literally never seen Erica go on a date or be romantic with anyone. Admittedly, she is technically still married, but the point is she does a lot of talking about guys she hooks up with and this and that, and we don't see anything. We barely even see her son.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, We've never seen her son. And also she. The rumors about Erica are that she's Tom's friend Jim Wilkes, that lawyer in. That lawyer in Florida, or at least has something going on with this guy that he's paying for her house and helping her out. And there's. You know, she's. There's no. There's a reason she's not completely destitute at this point. We never hear about him. We never hear about what's going on with you. And you spent. How long did you spend lying about all the stuff going on with Tom and trying to get Tom an alibi and everything on the show. And what's the defense? I forgot this word last week, too, which I think means I'm getting it. Oh, a dementia defense and all that shit last year. Quiet down, Frozen ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, either way, Kyle Tldr. Kyle is a hypocrite. And Garcelle's beach house, not interesting. But at least she's, you know, she's trying to give us something. At least she's like, all I've got is a beach house and black girl missing. And that's really all I can give you at this point.

[Ronnie Karam]

And at least she bought otherwise herself. She's got two homes that she got herself from working, which we see on the show. Erica, bring on, you know, draggy balls Tom again, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Garcelle and Sutton are talking about, you know, seeing TMZ in the airport and Carl Z Carlsey. Garcelle's like, yeah, well, they saw me in the airport, and they said that Kyle said we were good. And I said, are we?

[Ben Mandelker]

And furthermore, no. So then Andy visits to read, and he's like, hey. She's like, hi, Andy. And he's like, how are you feeling today? He's like, I don't want to feel leaving night thinking, oh, shoot. Gee, I wish I had said that. I want to say everything with as bulgy eyes as possible tonight.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to people making their way to the stage, and Garcelle is wearing some crazy jeweled bodysuit dress kind of thing that she's got gloves. And she's like, I can't even use my phone. And Kyle is dressed like she's auditioning for that roller derby show on Netflix, whatever that was called.

[Ben Mandelker]

Glow. Shine something.

[Ronnie Karam]

Glow. Yeah, glow. Erica's asked, who would you say Glow?

[Ben Mandelker]

She. She really loves that show. But she. To be fair, she thought it was about people's foyers.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Erica is asked about her dress. I'm like, I don't know who made it. Some random designer. I had it made. I had it made. I hope they got paid for first.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, they're in jail now. I don't know. They made it for me. And then I whipped up some charges, and now they're in stinking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Had some friend at the Secret service frame them, had their adoption ruined and had them thrown in prison for a while. You know how I go, Zandy. Fashion. Fashion.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kyle, yeah, Kyle comes on stage, but Kyle does not look at Garcelle. And then, you know, his. Kyle's like, oh, wow, everyone looks gorgeous. Hi, Bows. Hi. Like, so then Garcelle's like. She's like, telling Sutton, like, look, God's not even looking me at all. She's pissed. So much for what TMZ said. So then they settle in and. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Real House as a barrier season 14 reunion. I'm Andy Cohen. Tonight, I want to welcome you ladies back to the tropical paradise of St. Lucia. Kyle, I noticed you brought something here, and it was not personality. For the 14th year in a row that you did bring crystals instead. Is that what's going on with that?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, there are crystals, Andy. I had to put them outside of my dressing room so that they could charge. You know, the crystals need to be charged, everybody. I'm like, yeah. And at least two people on this cast, Dorit and Erica, we're waiting. We're waiting.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, and he's like, okay, and what are these crystals supposed to do? Bring me strength and clarity. And also maybe teach me how to open up the second French door in my room in my house. But maybe, maybe they'll help me, like, calm down a bit so I don't end up in the hospital like Sutton did last time.

[Ronnie Karam]

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Follow even the royals on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to even the royals early and ad free by joining Wondery Us. So, Erica, can't believe our ears when we heard your song. At first we thought we were being attacked by mobs of dogs coming down from mountain sides to rip out our throats, but it turns out it was you in the booth doing vocals again. And it was in a film called the Nora. She goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a feature on the song the movie. It won the Pal d'Or and now it's up for best movie. Can you believe it?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's acting like she did that. She's like, well, they'll have a lot of issues in post production. I said, drop in drip. And then they did, and poof. Here we are. Best picture nominee and future winner. You're welcome, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

First act of that movie was based on my life. Thank you, Pondor. So everyone's like, wow, that is so amazing. So congratulations on Baby Valley Garcelle. Now, why would you name your baby after an inferior suburb? And I live in the valley. And I can say that I feel like I can say that. Is it true that LVP is in the running for the Godmother. And we see a baby. You know, it's called the Valley. And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And apparently Garcelle's like, she wants to be. So then Andy's like, and is Oliver still working for her? Yes, he is. He really hoping to get onto that Vanderbump rules, but you all decided to recast it. Thanks in advance. So he's like, wow. Oh, Sutton, great to see you. Looks like you're in a perfectly fragile state for tonight. When will you be crying and having a panic attack? Well, thank you, Andy. So far, so good. I'm gonna try to keep it together for. Oh, hold on one second. Software's closing up. I'm gonna pick up the hospital. Be right back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bose is there. She's wearing glitter sequins. Tool. Bose loves tool. Bose is not afraid of a tutu outfit. She's like, bring on the tool. I'll wear any tool you give me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I invented tool. She has, like, this also this kind of like, wispy piece of tool right by, like, her calf. It's kind of like this little parts. Like, I kind of thought Bose was gonna have, like, just the biggest, widest dress in the room. Sort of like Chanel Ion style, but she actually was like, more just like a normal, normal reunion bigness, except that she had this little sort of like, yellow piece of tulle that was kind of like, coming off on the side, which, I don't know, I thought it was funny. It was like, well, I'll give them a reference to a big dress, but I'll just keep it a normal size dress.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Until.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't ever forget it. So Andy is talking about intentions. Oh, wait, no. Let's not forget Dorit was featured in British Folk. It was the bankruptcy edition. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

I almost.

[Ronnie Karam]

I went to buy that, actually, at the newsstand, but they said it was in chapter 11, so if anybody has a copy, I'd love to see.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was an absolutely surreal moment, especially when they took the photo of me getting a pie put in my face because I was in a pantomime.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, my career has been long and very dandy, but what put it over the edge was Peter Peen. So thank you, Peter.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you, Peter.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talk about a pie in the sky movement.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, does anyone want to set an intention? I have to set an intention. Could someone strike these crystals? They're driving me nuts. I'm getting too much energy from them, and it's making me feel queasy. Garcelle's like, well, I hope we can talk things through, work them out. And at the end of the day, we can get a cast photo at this reunion. That would be nice. So, please, I implore everyone in this cast, do not walk off the set today. Okay? Do not, I repeat, do not. Because we will be taking a photo of all of us together. Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

And we know from reports that Garcelle is not in the cast photo this year because she walks off. So this was like one of those white lotus moments where it's just a hint, you know, it's a hint of things to come. So they talk about how the last two years they didn't because Sutton walked off last year and then the year before. Who did walk off the year before? Who left the year before? Probably me. I probably got so close.

[Ben Mandelker]

Was the year before at the time Diana?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Diana was there, remember?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Diana wasn't there because she was. You need a new villain. She was doing something. AKA avoiding. Avoiding accountability.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So we start with the Dorit segment. Dorit's entire life change. She. They talk about the divorce, the Chanel, you know, And Dorit has left the building. And a cigarette smoking table, lunging, forced to be reckoned with, has taken her place. Don't worry, neither one of them pays their bills. Let's look.

[Ben Mandelker]

And we see montage. We see first, we see PK addressing friends and family, being like, I love this. Go, girl. It's been her. It's always been her. And furthermore, I want everyone at this party to know that what's behind this curtain is not black mold. It's Boy George, ladies and gentlemen. Boy George, everyone.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's not black mold, except for what's in the soul, Babe. Boy George, ladies and gentlemen. And a boy chained to a radiator.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's always been you. But not just you, ladies and gentlemen. Berlin. It's been Berlin too.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we see multiple, multiple clips of Dorit's season. And Erica is clutching her chest dramatically as she hears that Dorit is going to separate. And then Andy announces that PK is not going to be at the reunion, but he did release a statement. Babe, we as a couple have been subject to a lot of speculation about our marriage. We've had our struggles over the past few years and continue to work through them as two people who love Doritos, chips, sour cream and onion, and Fritos as well. We have two amazing children together. Can't remember their names right now. Don't ever call them. Don't ever see them. Who cares, really?

[Ben Mandelker]

One of them kind of Has Bugle and Funyun. I don't know. I think I named them Bugle and Funyun. Anyway, go on me to save God up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Basically. He's like, you know, dorit's a monster, and she's been a bitch to me and she's really mean to me and slanderous, and I'm not gonna show up to give her the pleasure of slandering me in public.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I think this was. This statement was actually just their joint statement when they separated.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're still in big flashback mode. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's a lot of statements.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, pk, you know what? You should be writing checks to people that you owe money to. Okay? Save your writing for a checkbook, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we, of course, we're watching, like, the. The descent of this relationship. And then Bose shows up in the picture. In picture, and she's. She's saying, oh, it's terrible to see this, Is it not? And he's like, terrible. It's absolutely terrible. Gee, I can't stand to look at it. God. And if it powers me to the first seat at the reunion, so be it. So then, okay, so we finally make it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just flips up that gigantic water bottle.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then we're back to present. So Andy's like, okay, let's first talk about the cigarette that launched a thousand memes to read. The viewers love to see you smoking.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, with me.

[Ben Mandelker]

They just hear me smoking when I talk with you. They actually got to see it. She's like, well, have you been a smoker for a while? Oh, really? Are we. We're really gonna go there? We're going to make me out to be some sort of smoker? Well, I would just say I've been. I'm a social smoke. Okay. I smoke in Britain and when I have British voice. So that would be. Yes, I smoke all the time. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, Indy, the French part of me smokes. The Israeli part of me holds back a bit. But the Dutch part of me loves a little poof poof in the morning. You know what I mean? And Satan's just like, oh, social smoking. Disgusting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, the Guam. The Guam part of me, when she gets stressed, I take a little bit of a siggy. But then the Australian part of me, I do a long, slender Virginia Slim. So it's such a multifaceted experience.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Puerto Rican part of me smokes a plantain.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, when I access my suriname self, what I do is I take a pine cone and I smoke that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Instead yeah, she turned into a stress smoker. That's what happened to indeed. Carl's like, can I ask you a question? You never thought you'd be seen? Because she dorit's like, well, I was smoking because I didn't think I'd be seen. And Kyle's like, how can you not be seen? I mean, we have car cameras, so, like. I mean, come on. And she's like, well, Kyle, to be honest with you, I assumed everything was going to be seen, but I just didn't give a flipping fook. All right, you couldn't. And that's it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, Kyle, did PK send you a meme about it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, damn. Garcelle on the side.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a pretty good one, actually. Andy actually goes that well a few times, and it's great every time. He's like, well, okay, well, we got.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just like that Garcelle's that voice in badum bom chicka chicka dum bum. Oh, yeah. It's like Garcelle's reunion phase. Whoa, Whoa. Oh, damn.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, well, we got a. We got a lot of comments about your decision not to tell your children about the separation. And after Jagger saw or heard your instagram post, were you regretting your decision to not sit down with him? And she's like, no, no, no, I have not regretted my decision, not for one second. She's like, well, what do they know? Well, you know, they're not asking the questions. So I think that what we're doing is we're living in a state of denial, and that always works out well for children.

[Ronnie Karam]

Y. So Andy is asking about last year. So Sutton explained that while her kids knew that she and Christian were separated, Dorit elected not to tell the kids. So was that hypocritical of you, Sutton? And she's like, well, you know, I think that I learned from my own mistakes. Have we seen porter? She still looks shell shocked. So let's prove that I didn't make the right choice.

[Ben Mandelker]

So dorit's like, well, what were the consequences if you're going to try to make me seem like I'm doing the wrong thing? She's. Well, it's not so much. Consequen point says, just being really honest with your children. That's how I am. So they trust me implicitly. You know, one of my biggest regrets is when I told my son, hey, I'm gonna send you to rolls Royce camp in Alabama. And he got there, and it was actually how to fix a vending machine camp. And you know, that really hurt things, so. It honestly is so important with your children.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Dorit, do you think that you're gonna get back with pk? Probably not. It's not my choice. Pige doesn't want me. He's just such a. A hot. Hot machine. Hot commodity, Andy. It's hard to get him back. Well, are you still in love with him? Of course I am. Who wouldn't be? The man is like a human Harry Duvet.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's my soul. He's my blood. He's my cholesterol. He is my high blood pressure.

[Ronnie Karam]

PK Is my lipids.

[Ben Mandelker]

He has so many blood panels. He is my pre diabetes 1 2n.

[Ronnie Karam]

I still wake up in the middle of the night hoping that I could take someone to the hospital for arrhythmia or a cardiac event. But when I wake up, it's only me, Andy. Me and my good friend Virginia. Virginia Slim.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like. Well, we asked BK if he wanted a peer today. She's like, I know. All right, well, America doesn't Dorito settle down. And he declined. I know. All right. And he sent us in. I know. And he loves Bugles. I know. And he said he wants some Pringles.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know. Okay, well, he declined, but he sent us a statement. Guys, let's put up another poster board of a statement from pk, shall we? So now here's his new statement. It's very long, but this is the one where he's like, duration. Pete has called me a bad father, and that statement is both heartbreaking and false. What I am is a bad dipper. Now, occasionally, I get to chip into the sour cream and onion, and I get it all over the couch. Well, I'm sorry for that. I'm not the most perfect person in the world, but I love my children, whatever their names are and wherever they may be.

[Ben Mandelker]

Popping corn. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

My children, Mike and Ike, I'm sure, are lovely packages packaged, very colorful. And everybody loves them.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're. They're two. Those children are the smart children. That's why I call them smarties. They're just a nice big roll of smarties. So, anyway, those closest to us know the truth, and many have wanted to speak out, but I have asked them not to, because the truth should never need a champion. I refuse to stoke the fire that did not ignite, but I will have some red hearts if they're offered. The Doreet I married would never have allowed this, much less cause to it. And the woman embodied kindness, integrity, And Grace, and I can only hope this to read finds her way back to the person she once was, but doubtful. And I also hope that as she's finding her way back, if she could grab me an ice cream sandwich from the freezer, that'd be wonderful.

[Ronnie Karam]

The woman I married was so generous knowing that I had a wife and children when she married me, and it was lovely. I hope I find that woman again and not this judgmental bit that we are seeing now on tablet. Thank you very much.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I literally did a Pretty Woman cosplay for her and she complained.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was the wrong song. Indy.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was supposed to be rock set. It's very important to the Swedish side of me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Huge mistake. Huge, big, huge.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you know how long I've been practicing stepping on divots? Every time I do it, I pretend it's Coil's face.

[Ronnie Karam]

I wish it was Pretty Woman. Jason Alexander could have hit on me and it would have been an upgrade.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Dorit's like, pk, he could have been here and he could have and. And I would have supportive of it. And I said, I don't want that. You'd be in a position where it's only one side being heard. And Andy's like, well, he keeps saying that you've changed. He's referring very pointedly, which is funny because I don't think of pointiness when I think of pk. I think it's round and soft. But either way, he's referring to it pointedly in the statement to the old version of you versus the new version of you. What's the difference, Dorit?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I'm sorry for contouring, but this is my nose and my chin, and those lines that you see under it every time I lie down are natural. Andy, thank you very. We aren't talking about your face to read. We're talking about your personality. My face is my personality. What else do you want me to talk about? The secret ccs on the chest? Well, fine.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I guess part of your shtick is the clothes and the glam and all that, and, you know, you love it. It makes you happy. But maybe. Was that a point of contention with him? Yes. I mean, at some point, you know. Yes. It's not a driving force, but, you know, look, gee, he loves all of this. You know, he loves it when people come up to him and offer him a. You know, a Nutter Butter. But, you know, sometimes he just. I think he's just jealous of me.

[Ronnie Karam]

But he always loves getting his picture taken. That's part of the job he's always loved. Now, that happened even before red housewives of bovlihoods. We'd go to a mall and children would come up and ask for his picture and say, santa, why have you cut off your beard?

[Ben Mandelker]

He would just look at them and say, listen, kid, I'll tell you the secret if you go to hot dog on a stick and get me something, which I always thought was very cruel.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's called queen pro queen.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was so disappointed when he found out it was called squid games, not quid games.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you know, if I haven't changed in 14 years, then something's wrong with me who doesn't change anybody. And so basically, she's like, you know, did fame change her maybe? You know, she goes, well, I don't know if it changed him, you know, I mean, I guess it was hard for me to see things in a certain way. Like the first time PK came out in his tighty whities.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle, do you think famous change to read? And Kyle's like, I think this season I saw dorit. I didn't know. I mean, you have to agree with that yourself. Well, does that have to do with fame, Kyle? It's like, did dorit suddenly become more famous and then therefore change the. You just use this as a wedge to get in there and complain about dorit. And.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I mean, what changed about dorit this season? She stood up to you for once, kyle, and she didn't have your back on every single little thing. And she actually yelled at you once. So that's what changed. And now she's gonna pay for it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Kyle's like, I mean, it just seems like everything was, like, different. She seemed angry. She seemed, like, a lot more aggressive than usual. We just saw. And I don't think it was a very different side. Like, I know her so well, like, because I. Let me tell you something. Let me just say. I know dorit so well, and this is a new side of her. I know her so well, but also, like, we're barely even friends, if you remember, from last year. So it all makes sense, everything I say.

[Ronnie Karam]

So can I just say, I've been reading this a lot on the Internet, seeing it on the show. Everybody's talking about how much dorit's changed. Dorit's the same as dorit's always been. I don't see any changes.

[Ben Mandelker]

The same.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's the same. She is the same shallow ass, wearing fake ass things, using fake ass ass money. You know, she's. She said the C word a few times and ripped a cig. That's, like, the only thing that she did differently, actually. She was doing the C word thing last year. Dori hasn't changed.

[Ben Mandelker]

I hate this take from Kyle like usual, but I hate this take from kyle because Kyle is using this against dorit. When dorita is going through a life change, we joke about pk, but dorit is going through a divorce. It sounds like it's a bad divorce. And Kyle's acting like it's so shocking that dorit is making a change, that dorit may be more, you know, chippy than usual, maybe more angry than usual. When Kyle went through a change all of last season, and she, like, was asking people to hold space for her, to be. To be open to her, to understand that she was changing, and then that's okay. And yet when it comes to Dorit, suddenly Kyle has a real issue with it. And this just speaks to Kyle's overall hypocrisy in general. And it also, like, it makes me also furious that she says, I know dorit so well, and I can see this is a different side from her when last year, she literally was on this reunion saying that, like, her friendship with dorit is overblown, and they've only hung out, like, two times outside the show, so she can't have it both ways. And she's being a dick, and she's allowed to have a moment of change, but then dorit isn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Dorit talked about PK's temper. Even went as far to call him the monster. Well, to be fair, the first time I ever heard that about PK was it a public swimming pool. So it's not like I came up with it or anything. And also, Snoopaloop777 on Twitter says, and then Sutton just goes, snoopa loop.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even understand.

[Ronnie Karam]

Disgusted that someone would be named snoopa loop. So they said Kyle saying she's never seen that side of pk. So maybe Dorit's just exaggerating to manipulate her side of the story. Feels like someone undermining domestic abuse victims. Snoopaloop777 don't know ya, but may I present you with a ding, ding, ding.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Dorito, definitely one of the things that hurt me the most. Coyle, watching that you're supposed to. You're supposed to know my way better than you know him, but know me, but way better than you know him, because you only have a relationship relationship where you have memes and jokes, remember? And Carl's like. And Garcelle nods like, that was a good.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Maybe Dorit has changed because that was decent.

[Ben Mandelker]

You certainly don't know him as well. So you. So you not having seen that wouldn't have been. You wouldn't have been usual. And I was like, okay, so let me try this one. I think, like, I was coming from a place that he wasn't here to defend himself. And, you know, like, you. You know, you hear something like this, and he's, like, an alcoholic and he's bad. And now I'm hearing a monster. I'm just thinking, like, it's just, like, not fair to go after someone who's not here to defend themselves. Like, you know, my sisters for 14 years in various states of argument, etc.

[Ronnie Karam]

Or your own husband, who you came on. Who you came on last year and completely dragged through the mud and said suggested that he was cheating on you, but never told us who and never told him that. You said that on camera. Camera and all the other that you said about your husband. You don't even see me standing up for your husband. I mean, come on now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I just think it's very selective when Kyle decides to be virtuous about these sort of things. PK deserves. Listen, he's not here to defend himself. And you still want to say that you're a girl's girl when your girlfriend is like, I'm going through a divorce, and he's awful to me. And, like, can you imagine? She's like, yeah, well, he's not here to defend himself. So I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna, like, doubt what you say instead. I mean, and then you want to say you're a girl's girl. Really? Really?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Dorit's like, well, I didn't say he was an alcoholic. He was open about it. He was open. And she goes, but you said it on camera. Yeah, but so did you. About your husband, who's standing up for him. Yes, and he said it before that, but not on camera. He said it publicly. Oh, he said he stopped drinking. Ryan, he doesn't use the word alcohol on camera. That was the first time I heard it. When you said it. You betrayed PK.

[Ben Mandelker]

Kyle Richards getting mad that certain things were revealed on camera, and then later in the episode is gonna say, what else do you want from me? Okay? I'm being as open as possible while she's championing, keeping things off camera right here.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Sutton's like, well, to me, it looked like, you were throwing your husband under the bus. Do you know how dangerous that is for the bus?

[Ben Mandelker]

There's not a lot of clearance under that chassis, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

Children on that bus. It was right out of the gate, and you just kept repeating it over and over. Let me just say right now, poor PK. And also PK's poor. Okay? Both of those things. Pork. Can we just call them that? I'm gonna call them that. Pork.

[Ben Mandelker]

Spanish as well.

[Ronnie Karam]

It means what? But, you know, just go with it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I fully Amanda's side about this. I think that, like, it sounds like PK is a monster behind the scenes, but she did come onto the season, and we joked about it quite a bit. She came out of the season like, oh, what a lovely time off. PK is a severe alcoholic. Anyway. Could someone please pass that lovely, lovely canopy? Is this a pig in the blanket, or is it a PK as a severe alcoholic in a blanket? What's it called again?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sorry, You've been to aa. Good for you. Do you know of something called Severe Alcoholic Anonymous?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, did Saturn. Did you. Did you paint your house? Is this a shade of PK as a severe alcoholic, or is it more of a cream?

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's like. Well, it looked that way, I suppose. But, you know, when you said that in your confessional, we were talking about my issues in our marriage and the separation, and you diminished it, like, oh, maybe she's taking the opportunity to paint him in a beat lead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, where I was in that moment, because I felt like you were, like, exaggerating a lot of things about me. So when I saw those comments about pk, I thought, like, well, maybe she's exaggerating that too. I don't know. What did I exaggerate? I think we're gonna get to that.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm just curious. What did I exudra?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, when you acted so upset at Sutton's, you didn't even know I had sent PK a text yet.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I wasn't talking about the text. I was upset with you for other things. Yeah. Also, I sent you a text that was never acknowledged, and she's like, coil. You sent PK a text first. Okay, you only sent me a text because Erica told you to send it. And then Kyle's like, show the scene. Roll the tape.

[Ben Mandelker]

And they do me organically sending a text message.

[Ronnie Karam]

Message to Dorit, and it shows that Dorit is telling the truth and that Kyle only sent that text because Erica told her to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Erica, because this is new footage. It's unseen. And Erica's like, so I just jumped off FaceTime with Dorit, and. And I asked her, has anybody reached out to you? And she said, no. And Kyle goes, okay, all right. Okay. I'm sending it then. Okay. Cause, like, I wrote a text last night, and I'm like, you know what? Don't. Don't do. I don't like that. I don't like that I'm gonna send my text. Cause, like, I don't like that no one's reached out to her. So I like that Kyle had drunk draft. I don't think she even had drafted a text, by the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's a liar. She's just saying she drafted it so she could use it right now and say, I wrote it the night before. I just didn't send it. As if that would matter.

[Ben Mandelker]

That I'm going to draft this text, but I'm going to sit on. I'm going to say I'm going to write a text that says, hey, I'm sorry you're going through such a shitty time. I love you. If there's anything you need, just let me know. Let me sit on that for a moment. You know, that might be too inflammatory.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe there's a better time to sit. Send this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So, Kyle, typical. So she's like, we weren't even speaking, but I still sent the text because I absolutely cared about you, and I feel bad that you guys were separated, but you chose to see the worst. You chose to see the worst because, Quill, you keep missing the whole text message thing. It's about you justifying the text message thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do you understand, by the way? Okay, Garcelle, did you reach out to Dorit and Carl's Like, No, I. I didn't. And I know why I didn't. Because she's a. I don't like her.

[Ronnie Karam]

I hate the bow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bow. So then Kyle was like, nobody else did, okay? Instead of saying, none of these women did, Kyle did. Okay? The whole season, you never mentioned him. That, like, I. It was me. I reached out to you after you told Erica that no one had reached out to you. And then I said that I had drafted something, and then I really hadn't, so I texted to you something, okay? So, no, I don't want. I don't want you to say that.

[Ronnie Karam]

At Coil, we were talking about the fact that you sent him a text before me. Coil. And Annie's like, okay, let's move on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Okay. How long has PK Been sober now? And she's like, sorry, Andy, things are trying to escape out of my mouth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are we talking in America, American months or British months? Because the answer.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's six months later over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

You understand spelled later. L a T R E. So.

[Ronnie Karam]

Military theatrical.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would like to center this discussion on me right now. But.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's why over there. Oh, I'm sorry. That's me at the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's not a. It's not a topic that we discuss, as I've discovered very recently. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just can't answer that.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Erica, this is a setup here, I'm telling you. She whispers to both, Is he not sober? Okay, Erica, you know, because you are friends with Dorit. You know that Dorit, of course, has told Erica, like, PK has fallen off the wagon, which was too bad because he tried so hard to get onto that Reese's Pieces truck, but now he's off of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And to be honest, he's never stayed on a wagon his entire life. He just don't sit well with him. There are pictures of PK As a tiny child in a little red wagon, one little body out, blobbed on the ground, crying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although he does love Wagabama, but it's not quite wagon mama. So basically, Erica knows. In my opinion, Erica knows that PK has fallen off the wagon. So for her to whisper loudly in a stage voice, which was not unlike the stage voice Sutton used at that party in Oceanside, at the dinner, for Erica to say, is he not sober?

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, that's like she's using Erica to bring it on tv. Yeah, because I wouldn't have made that leap from how they were talking. Would you? I wouldn't have made that leap. I just thought she was like, I'm gonna talk about it because he told me not to talk about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

I made the leap because, I mean, Dorit had a very affected, like, oh, is he so bad? Well, I don't talk about that until very recently. It's like, yes. Okay, so she want. This is her way, like, blinking twice, like the officer, are you in trouble, ma'am? Blink, blink, blink. This was her way of signaling. And so Erica was like. For those who didn't pick up on it, I'm. I will say it, because I. I don't care if PK gets mad at me. So she says it. That's what I fully. That's my theory.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Andy's like, so he's drinking again. You don't want to say that. She's like, I have no idea. His exact words Are burp. It's something I'm choosing not to discuss. Then he falls down, then he gets back up, then he cough, and a blue cheese stuffed olive comes out, and he says, I will not discuss this with you. Then he burps again and goes to sleep on a stack of hay. What am I to make of it?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what his drinking is between him and the feather that he's puffing up from his mouth while he snores. So? So Dorit is like, you know, and he's like, well, do you have any concerns? Well, in fact, in that moment, Andy, the way you're making me feel in this moment, I don't think I can have a relationship with you, even a friendship. And that was less than a week ago, and I stand by it. Andy. That's what I said to him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey, wait a minute. Is that my living room table? And we look at the set, and it is, in fact, Erica's living room table. Someone posted that on Reddit a few weeks ago, and I mentioned it on the show, thinking it was a different reunion that Erica took. Just. I just thought Erica went to a reunion and was like, can I have that coffee table on pool? And they gave it to her. So I resent that. I was mistaken.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it could have been. So Erica's like, sorry, that's just the way my mind works. When I want to get my friend out of trouble, I'll throw a distraction. Andy's like, okay, great. Sutton, you have a lot of opinions about PK and Dorit's finances. If they divorce, what do you think forensic accountants will find? She's like, oh, well, I don't know. Those forensic accountants will get you. I'm assuming you have money in the first place, which she doesn't. But, you know, if you did, they'll get you now.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, Andy, everyone knows that I have used forensic accounts, but I've never used forensic accounts, which is what they use. So I'm not sure if it really works the same way for poor eat and poor K, but we'll see. We'll see.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you worried about her? Yes, I am. Oh, really? Gee, you have to actually care about someone, have compassion, like, for someone to actually be worried about them.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so I do. I'm worried about people I don't care about all the time. Aren't you?

[Ben Mandelker]

All the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm worried about Teddy. I never even liked her on this show. I'm, like, genuinely worried about Teddy. I've been worried about people. I got worried that A lady in the grocery store the other day that had lettuce, apples, and a 12 pack of Snickers bars. And I was like, that poor lady thinking that she has to buy the healthy stuff as well. Just get the Snickers lady. I almost wanted to pull her to the side and say, no, daddy yourself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is.

[Ben Mandelker]

Worrying is my greatest hobby. Worrying is my greatest hobby. I. I'm a big. I'm a. You know what? I am. I'm a worry wort. Okay? And I am in. I am. I am a full fledged worry. Words. And you can work. I agree. You can worry without caring about the person. So. But sun has a very political response where she goes, not political, politician's response. She goes, I just worship sorry for all women, I think. Thank you, Sutton. Thank you, Sutton. For Sutton Strike being concerned.

[Ronnie Karam]

A woman who doesn't belittle other women, as Erica Wood said, I just like to get that onto the record. Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a champion for women.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, how could you worry about me? You don't care about me. And she says she worries for all women in Suttons. Like, it's true. I mean, now whose name is on the mortgage? I worry about that. Do you know that Andrea's like, well, do you really think I'm going to sit here and answer any questions that you're asking me? I'm talking about supporting women. I'm talking about you having competition for women. It's not about whose name it's on the mortgage. Her name is not on the mortgage. The mortgage is an llc.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I think Dorit called Little Debbie.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think Dorit has like 5% of that or something. That's what I read on Reddit, which I believe I. Everything I believe everything I read on there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So sudden.

[Ronnie Karam]

More news. I'm sorry, I just heard that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was waiting for you to. I was like, wow, I can't believe Ronnie didn't react to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Some nonsense.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry. I was like, it's fine, it's fine. You know, wait till Debbie hears that.

[Ronnie Karam]

The morgage has not been peaked.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll have you know our house is the name of Little Debbie and she is a financial wizard. According to what.

[Ronnie Karam]

Son's like, well, you should know whose name is on the market. And she's like, well, you said you're worried. Well, you have to like someone to worry. And she goes, well, you know what surprised me when I got divorced? That I had two baseball teams. Okay. That surprised me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't know, I love that flex. She's like, you know, it'll be so fun when I found out that I had two baseball teams. And Dorit is going to find out that she just has a bag of bazooka Joe gum.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's going to find out that PK ate two baseball cards. You know, you got to look into that. And so he goes, well, yeah, but that's a nice surprise. Just. Well, yeah, I mean, it was a nice surprise, you know, but it was a surprise. And communication in a marriage is so important, Andy. It just. It just really, really is.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Andy's like, so is the house under foreclosure? No, it's. No. PK Says it's actually in the freezer because Sarah Lee is apparently our. She's. She's overseeing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's in shrink wrapping closure, which is where you have to put diddy Debbies, where they go big. You get mice on over the house. So. And he's like, well, there's reports that your house is in foreclosure. She goes, no, there were reports that it was in pre foreclosure. Now that's a totally different thing. You know, PK told me that the mortgage rates magically changed, and so he had to get on the phone with the guy, and the guy wouldn't call him back. So he said, I'm not paying until the guy calls me back. As you do with mortgage mortgages. Doesn't everyone agree? Who here doesn't hear from the mortgage person once a day? At least call me back.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think we all. I think we all believe that when you are sent a bill, you don't pay it until someone calls you up on the phone and says, hey, where's my money? That's just the way you do it.

[Ronnie Karam]

And both goes, that's how you lose a house. Shut up, tool. You're supposed to be on my side now. He resolved it. Who? Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's. It's okay. Because PK says we have plenty of money in a Swiss bank, specifically a bank called Swiss Roll. Either way.

[Ronnie Karam]

To prove it, he pulled out a sack of gold coins. He unwrapped one and ate the chocolate inside of it. And I believed every word.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So. So he resolved it. They ended up calling. And that's what he said. He said there were some sort of collection agency. And of course, when someone called to collect, you give them something. So it's all fine. I don't see what the problem is.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm a collection agency as well, Andy. I've got a lot of CCs up there. Lots of CC's. Lots of them. Andy. Collection girl to collection girl. They let us off, Andy, because they called back. It's like, oh, okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

Makes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Makes total sense.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everything's fine. They just called and we paid.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she talks about how hard it is, and her heart's so broken. It's broken in a million pieces, Andy. A million pieces is a million. No, don't be disgusting. A million pies.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Sutton's like. They take a break, and Sutton's like, by the way, Garcelle, when things get bad, I'm just gonna look over here and just, you know, just give me some happiness and some joy. And she, like, places her palm on Garcelle's hand, and Garcelle's like, well, I can't touch you because I'm just gonna get stuck on you. You can touch me, but I can't touch you.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, hey, sorry, I'm not paying attention to any of this, but I just came up with an idea for a Lady Garbage Gaga cover. A Million million po. Po.

[Ben Mandelker]

Has a song, but it goes A million nutty Buddies. A million nutty buddies. Apparently that's. That's a little Debbie specialty, which I didn't understand about until I went to check in on our MO Gas.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so Dorit's a victim and never lies about anything. So we. We've got that covered. I wish they had, like, a montage of Dorit and PK just being full of shit over the years and all our fake businesses and all the times that they're bankrupt and all the times that they claim to be robbed and all the times. All of this. We really need that. Editors, where are you? Okay, stop building up Dorit. If you're going to rip everybody down, rip them all together evenly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I'm okay with not ripping down Dorit because right now, Dorit's doing a good job of coming for Kyle. So, like, I'm gonna give Dorit a little. I'll let her have a. I'm gonna prop her up a little bit.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come after the season. That's fair. But I. You know, I really do want them to at least show that scene when they were grilling PK and Dorit in the confessional about the finances and all the rumors about the fraud and all the other stuff that they've been accused of over the years, and they kept trying to distract the cameraman so that they wouldn't use the footage, and he kept being like, oh, that's all bullshit. None of that happened to me it's like, yes, it's bullshit. And then she would pick up a big loud potato chips thing and start rustling it and then eating the potato chips so that they couldn't use the footage and then they ended up using the footage anyway. I mean, come on, man, You've got so much gold on to read.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. And there's still that video of the woman confronting her at that hotel, you know, by the pool.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yes. Like, why haven't you paid my friend from Beverly Booch?

[Ben Mandelker]

So we're back with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion. And this year we met new house Bose, a high powered executive who quickly went up the corporate ladder even faster in a relationship with Keely. But some people here thought she should add one more creditor. Uber impressive resume. Get it? Uber. Dorit's spokesperson. Let's take a look. So we see a montage of Bose this season and it's a whole big montage. That's very exciting.

[Ronnie Karam]

And just to keep it faded, Bose's personal storyline is boring to too. Everyone's personal storyline on the show is pretty boring. Let's say Bose is. Yeah, I mean, yeah, kind of.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, look, because she's going through something saucy, right? Yeah, but Bose is just. Bose's storyline is boring too. Yeah, yeah, but Bo's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bo's really excited in the group scenes, I think, and with the other ladies as well. Just like, that's okay. Some of the. And that's okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. I'm just pointing it out because it becomes a big deal later on who's boring and who's not. And I'm just here to say you're all pretty boring until you're together and then you're magic. So, you know, what can I say?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Will Bose, you strike me as someone who does their homework. Did you watch the show beforehand? Yes, I did. I watched the show beforehand on a tv. A TV that I built myself. Okay, well, what's the difference between watching the show and being on it? Well, there's a big difference. Watching it, you're like, I hate these bitches. But then being on it, you're like, I hate these.

[Ronnie Karam]

But in person, you know, I used to watch it in a bathrobe on my couch and now I watch it wearing Tune Cool. And the actual scenes. And it's pretty amazing, Annie. Pretty amazing. But basically she says that she thought a lot of stuff is exaggerated on the show, especially the relationships and how they fight and how Offended. They get at each other and how close they are, but it turns out they're very real. And you spend a lot of time together when you're shooting, and it gets intense. And then we talk about her losing her Malibu house in the five fire, which is crazy and so sad.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

She talks about, you know, Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I thought. Sorry. I thought you were moving on to Keely. Sorry, go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no, no, I was just gonna say she talked about how she. That was the first thing that she really bought herself. And she. She came from nothing. And so to earn that was, you know, a huge deal to her. So to lose it was, you know, not great. So, yeah, that's. That's pretty bad. I have nothing to make.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's. That was. That was really sad. And then she talks about they move on to Keely, and she says they're doing great. And he's like, so what sort of response have you got to your relationship? Well, it's been a mixed bag. Some people think there's a bunch of red flags. And some people. Some people think it's. Some people think it's great. And some people question the fact that at that time, we hadn't said I love each other to each. I'm like, I don't think anyone said it's great. I don't mind Keely. But I also feel like, yeah, this is red flags literally all over it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I mean, I felt that way watching it too. It could have just been because they're on TV for the first time and it's this. They're trying to be like, okay, let's have a romantic scene. And I guess that could be awkward, especially for the person not really cast on the show, like. Like him. But whatever. I mean, it was boring. And it reminded me of Dr. Simone on the Married to Medicine reunion because she's talking about somebody talking somebody on Married to Medicine saying they wanted to have kids. And Simone's like, andy, you do not have children when you're 50. You're 50 and then you're 80 when they're getting married or whatever. Who wants that? And Andy, who did that recently, who's older than 50, I think is like, God godamn. But.

[Ben Mandelker]

Every now and then he gets hit by shrapnel on this stuff. It's so funny.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was so funny. But I mean, that's kind of how I feel about it, just because I am almost 50 and I just think for myself, well, I've never wanted kids, so that's never been my instinct. But my instinct is, oh, because I have friends who are around my age having kids or getting ready to have kids and I'm like, oh my God. Like, aren't you tired? Yeah, I'm exhausted. Like, how are you going to do it? That was my feeling on the storyline. But, you know, more power to you. Go for it if you want it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, obviously, Definitely.

[Ronnie Karam]

Congratulations. You've reached the end of part one of a two part recap for part two. Go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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