#2791 Southern Charm S10E17: Okay, My TED Talk Is Over

Summary

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Episode Title: #2791 Southern Charm S10E17: Okay, My TED Talk Is Over
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction

In episode #2791 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into the tumultuous events of Season 10, Episode 17 of Bravo’s "Southern Charm." This episode, titled "Okay, My TED Talk Is Over," serves as the season finale and brings a wealth of drama, relationship upheavals, and memorable confrontations that the hosts eagerly dissect.

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Recap of Southern Charm Season 10 Finale

Ben Mandelker kicks off the discussion by highlighting the central conflict between Vanita and JT. The episode centers around their strained relationship, culminating in a heated argument where JT accuses Vanita of ghosting him despite her explicit request for space.

Ronnie Karam emphasizes the confusion surrounding the timeline of JT and Vanita’s relationship, particularly regarding the messages and receipts Vanita presented. He notes, “I still don't really get it… the receipts were built up to be huge, and they weren't” ([04:51]).

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JT and Vanita’s Relationship Breakdown

The hosts delve into the nuances of JT’s attempts to reconnect with Vanita after she requested space. JT claims his actions were gestures of care, sending emojis and attempting to reach out through various platforms. However, Vanita perceives these as hounding, adding more strain to their already fragile relationship.

Ben critiques JT’s understanding of personal boundaries, stating, “If someone says, I need some space, and then you call them, you've now added a penalty day of silence” ([06:20]).

Ronnie points out the inconsistency in Vanita’s public statements, particularly her interview on Ryan Bailey's podcast where she labeled JT as the one who ghosted her, leaving the hosts puzzled about the true sequence of events.

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Craig’s Antics and Relationship Struggles

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Craig, whose behavior has drawn considerable ire from both his peers and the hosts. Craig's attempts to mend fences and discuss his personal issues, such as his struggle with alcohol, are met with skepticism and ridicule.

Ronnie bluntly states, “JT is still 100% a douchebag… how can that little beaver keep two women on the string like that?” ([09:56]). This highlights the hosts' critical view of Craig's manipulative tendencies and lack of genuine accountability.

Ben further illustrates Craig’s flawed communication skills, noting his inability to respect boundaries, which exacerbates his strained relationships. He remarks, “Yeah, but JT's like, you have to be right or you're gonna ruin everything” ([06:40]).

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Reunion Highlights and Host Commentary

During the reunion, the tension peaks as Craig confronts various cast members about their grievances. The hosts provide lively commentary on these exchanges, often mocking the lack of genuine resolution and the superficial attempts at reconciliation.

Ben sarcastically comments on Craig’s attempt to play the victim, saying, “He’s, like, holding the couch with one arm, so that way, like, hold me back, bro” ([12:25]).

Ronnie mocks the unrealistic expectations Craig places on his friendships, stating, “And I was really excited because I'm so confused over this timeline” ([04:05]).

The hosts also touch upon the absence of key figures like Ryan Bailey, speculating on his reasons for not attending the reunion, which adds another layer of mystery to the season's conclusion.

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Host Insights and Humor

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie infuse their analysis with sharp wit and humor, often exaggerating the cast members' flaws for comedic effect. They employ playful banter and creative analogies to underscore the absurdity of certain situations.

For instance, when discussing Craig’s attempts to showcase his sobriety, Ben jokes, “As Shakespeare wrote in his seminal play, the Sisters Rose and Swag, sometimes Adderall clouds your judgment, and that's okay” ([25:25]), highlighting Craig’s superficial approach to serious issues.

Ronnie doesn’t hold back his disdain for Craig, labeling him a liar and hypocrite multiple times, and amusingly narrates Craig’s failed attempts at repairing relationships with sarcastic commentary like, “Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait” ([26:13]).

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Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker: “If someone says, I need some space, and then you call them, you've now added a penalty day of silence” ([06:20]).

• Ronnie Karam: “JT is still 100% a douchebag, because he is like, what? What?” ([07:16]).

• Ben Mandelker: “He keeps on saying, my text messages will me show and care for you” ([10:06]).

• Ronnie Karam: “And he's like, well, maybe you need to just be more communication” ([54:31]).

• Ben Mandelker: “I was shaming Paige for being too busy with her career” ([53:33]).

• Ronnie Karam: “And then He’s like, well, look, I'm going to work on it with new friends” ([61:52]).

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Watch What Crappens," Ben and Ronnie provide a thorough and entertaining analysis of "Southern Charm" Season 10’s dramatic finale. They dissect the convoluted relationships, particularly focusing on JT and Vanita’s breakup and Craig’s contentious behavior. Through their candid and humorous commentary, the hosts offer insightful critiques of the show’s portrayal of romance, friendship, and personal growth, making the podcast a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper understanding—or a good laugh—at Bravo’s reality TV antics.

For bonus content, video recaps, and exclusive access, listeners are encouraged to support the hosts at www.patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.

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Transcript

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[Ronnie Caram]

Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi. We're here.

[Ronnie Caram]

Last recap of Southern charm of the season, everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, this is the. This is it. Someone actually just asked. They said, oh, we were really hoping that you'd recap Southern charm in our city. But guess what? Southern charm, this is it. There is no more Southern cup.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's going to be dead by next week. Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. But to that end, we are going to Boston, Detroit and to Chicago next week. So on Thursday we will recap Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion. On Friday we're going to recap Classic Vanderpump rules. It's not about the pasta over in Detroit. Go look that up. That's season six. I think it's episode seven. And then on Saturday we are going to recap Summer house which is having a blazing hot season. So good. So get your [e-mail] we are also going to Texas. We're going to Austin and we're going to Dallas in May. Those will be phenomenal shows. We always have a big, great, fun, rowdy time there. So please don't miss out on that. And then we will be in Las Vegas mid May for our very first ever Vegas show. So I know that's going to be one to Remember. So watch happens.com for all that patreon.com watch crappens to get access to our bonus episodes where we are currently recapping the White Lotus. So check that out. The finale is this Sunday, and we. Excuse me. We also have Crappins on Demand where you can watch us not just listen so you can see our smiling faces. And we're waving at you right now. Ronnie's smiling and drinking from his hydro jug. So that's all of that news. And today we have, as mentioned, here it is, part two, the final part of the Southern charm reunion. So here we go, where we left off. Vanita and JT were fighting, and he was.

[Ronnie Caram]

Big moment, big moment.

[Ben Mandelker]

He was acting like he hadn't been. Hadn't ghosted her and being ridiculous. And she's like, you want me to get my phone? I will get my phone.

[Ronnie Caram]

I will get my phone. And she storms out of the wrong door on the set, and she's like, I'm gonna leave looking cute. And she goes to her room. She's like, give me my phone. So she gets her phone and she comes back. And I was really excited because I'm so confused over this timeline still of Anita and JT dating and what she's got on her phone and what these receipts prove. And last week I said, okay, I'm gonna hold space for, you know, Vanita basically being completely like this whole thing making sense, you know? And I still don't know what. I still don't really get it. I mean, I guess I get the timeline. I just thought these receipts were going to be more than they were. They were really built up to be huge receipts, and they weren't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she's like, you said I ghosted you and your feelings were hurt. Well, October 29th. So she's reading, and she says it would be helpful for us to link up and talk. And Lev is like, wait, so this is after the trailer drops? And JT's like, yeah, well, because we were seeing each other every day, and I reached out to be caring to you. I wanted to text my care to you in text form. I sent an emoji and that emoji, it was of a bear, which Rhymes with care. Because I was saying I'm bearing for you, but I was really meaning I'm caring for you because he had to.

[Ronnie Caram]

Which is a cartoon Care Bear. That's a cartoon our children could watch together one day. And I just wanted to be caring to you. You understand what I'm saying? So she's like, well, on that text on the 29th, I said, I need to take some time right now. A boom, A boom. So that was me telling you I was taking time, which means I'm not going to be talking to you. And he's like, but then I called you multiple times. Didn't I text you? Didn't I call you? Did I text call you? I FaceTimed you. All right, I whatsapped you. I whatsapped ya. I tried every way I could. And she goes, yeah, that weekend when I was on a break from you. And he goes, yeah. So what does that leave me? In the dark. In the dark. Reaching out every day. Where'd she go? It's a grab box of boobs in there. I'm in the dark, grabbing things. I didn't know if it was you. I didn't know if it was her. She's like, we were on a break, okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

She says, I don't want. I need some time to myself. And then you are hounding her over the weekend. Like, that's how you make people not call you back. If someone says, I need to be away from you for a moment, and then you call them. You've now added, like, a penalty day. Every time you call someone or text someone when they said they want some space, you add, like, a penalty day of. Of silence. And I don't think he seems to realize that.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's like, yeah, that's not ghosting you. Yeah, that's not ghost time, sir. Now, no one asked the question, why does she say in an interview on Ryan Bailey's podcast when this trailer dropped and all this stuff happened, that he was the one who ghosted her? Because that's what she said. So that's why I'm still confused, because none of the real questions are being asked here. I need to be asked about the timeline that she has set forth in social media since all of this happened. I'm very confused now. Am I confused that JT is a douchebag? No, I'm not. JT is still 100% a douchebag, because he is like, what? What? You said you needed a break, and then you turned into Casper. Where'd she go? Where'd she go, am I right? Which, by the way, another cartoon our.

[Ben Mandelker]

Children could watch to get could watch someday. Let's bring back the real Ghostbusters. Wonderful cartoon. So then he's like, I'm in the dock. I'm reaching out every day that weekend. And she's like, well, you said, I just want you to know my mind is on yours. And I didn't text back because I was at a wedding. My best friend's wedding. I was forcing someone to sing karaoke when they weren't comfortable. And then it turns out that everyone liked her when she did that, and I was really upset about it, and I didn't have my phone. And, you know, you said, got it. I'll let you be. And he's like, yeah. And I said, I'll let you be a week of not care.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so who doesn't have their phone at their best friend's wedding? How else do you take pictures and, like, make your Instagram stories and, yeah, you're an influencer. I mean, if your friend invited you, she wants you to tell your followers how cute she looked in her wedding dress. Kind of best friend is this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe it was like, a fancy wedding where everyone had to, like, like, valet their phone. So then I'm like, white Lotus, I'll.

[Ronnie Caram]

Be taking your phones. This is a wellness event.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pam at the wedding. Stop it. Pam. Are you sure about that? Look at for the. Look out for the suicide melons. So then Vanita's like. And then. So I guess. So he said, like, fine, I'll let you be.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then a week of not caring. Oh, weak. Oh, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she. A week. He didn't hear from her from. From a week. Which, by the way, if she says, I need some space, a week is like, nothing. That's like someone saying they need space. A ghosting is when you reach out to them. They don't even say that I need space. They just. They go away. That's the ghost. If someone says, I'm gonna go away now, that's not someone disappearing into thin air. What's the opposite of ghosting? That's like corpsing. You're literally like a bot. You're like, you have corpse me. You know where they are. They're just not talking to you. So then. So then she says that, like, he. He said, like, he reached out, whatever. So I just want you to know your mind is on mine. And then the very next day, he posts on Instagram a picture of him with the girlfriend. So it was kind of like a fuck you moment from him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, and by the way, this was because the girl. So he was dating Vanita, and then she got messages from the girl he used to date saying, fuck you to her, telling her off. And then. So she took a week off. And then he was like, okay, you want to take a week? Then I'm choosing that girl, and I'm putting it on Instagram. So super mature. And I. How can that little beaver keep two women on the string like that?

[Ben Mandelker]

How.

[Ronnie Caram]

How does he have that many. That. The power of television, I'm telling you, the power of being cast on television that it has for these men is insane.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's true. So, jt, there's just. He keeps on saying, my text messages will me show and care for you. Which it sounds like he's, like, messing up some sort of, like, therapy talk. Because a lot of times when I go to therapy, you know, I talk about, like, and then this happened. Then this happens. Like, well, that was actually a gesture of care. And so, like, in the context of therapy, it's like, okay, if you say that's a gesture of care, it makes sense. I don't think you're ridiculous. But if I'm talking to you and I say, I just texted you, which showed that was me showing care for you, I'm not gonna. I don't want to hear that. That's not a gesture of care. It just means that you were fragile and you wanted someone to say, you're not in trouble.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, like, why would you post that? And Levis says, I mean, is it that Vanita hurt your feelings and then so you got revenge on her by, like, posting this other girl? He's like, no, no, not at all. Okay, but after a week for trying for someone I care about so much, I said, I can't sit here in limbo. I've got two balls in the air. What kind of juggler would I be if I didn't catch at least one of them? Am I right, guys? Am I right?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Sally goes after a week. A week. That's seven days. So this moment of conversion is brought to you by Sally.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was proud of Sally forgetting that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was proud. That's probably. It's the first time anyone, Southern charm probably has ever been able to make that connection.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Vanita's like, okay, look, if you had just said verbatim, listen, I know you're taking time, but I've got stuff on my heart. We need to talk immediately, because there's an expiration date on this other Instagram Hoe. But you did not. You did not give me that. Well, he did text you and say he care. I mean, why is that? I don't think that she should even give him this out, is what I'm saying. Like, no, there's no way that he could be with you. Then you get yelled at by his ex girlfriend, and then you take a week off from him, and then he suddenly announces that he's with that girlfriend. I don't think there's any way that he could. There's anything that he could have said that would have made that okay and stop giving him that out. I don't like it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, can we take a moment? You know who we have not given shit to? The girlfriend. Who the fuck are you calling up? Vanita. And yelling at her like, your issue should be with. With Jarrett, not with Vanita. And like. And you should also. You also won. You won in the situation. You wound up with him. So why are you hounding her? You know, I'm sorry.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think that's because I think what's happening is while she says the girlfriend. This. I don't know her, obviously, but from what I read on, you know, or from what I hear from the bitchiest housewife of all time. So show Medea. She said that she went to dinner with Bunny and Vanita. So Vanita knew that they were girlfriend and boyfriend. And then she continued to pursue JT during the season, which we kind of saw, even though JT was making it sound like that was no big deal with this girl, and he still hadn't decided all of this stuff. So I think the way that JT is presenting it to this other girl is like, I told her I had a girlfriend, but then on camera, she kept flipping flirting with me and trying to make things happen, and I wasn't doing anything. And it's just, you know, I don't know what's going on, but she's probably trying to make me look single on the show. And so he's probably making Vanita sound crazy to where this girl's like, you stop with my boyfriend. Like, I don't even know that this girlfriend knew that he was actually technically dating Vanita. I thought the girlfriend was probably like, we need a break. I need a break from you. This is too much. And so on his break, he's like, fine, you're not calling me back. I'll date Vanita.

[Ben Mandelker]

None of these people are interesting enough to have this kind of Rashomon situation happening with their relationship.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, true. But the. I think the road leads back to JT both times, and he is the douchebag in this situation. And you're right. I think that both of them should be mad at him and not each other.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right. So Leva weighs in, and she goes, they're just both super hurt. And Andy's like, well, where'd you get. Where do you go from here? Hopefully out the door. I'm bored with this. And JT's like, well, I would like to get friendship back.

[Ronnie Caram]

Will do you want to be friends with Anita? And this is where I was like, after all of this, all of these previews of Anita being like, I'm getting the receipts. Here's my receipts. You're a liar. I thought she'd be like, no, this little guy. But no, she doesn't. She pauses and it goes, yeah, yeah. And do you want to date him still? Long, long pause. Yeah, yeah. And Madison's like, oh, my God. That's very honest. You know, sadly honest. Disgustingly honest. Gross honesty. Disgusting. Honestly. This is horrible.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was like, you made us wait all this time just to be like, yeah, I want to date him still.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I can't. I know I can't. I'm trying so hard. Medina, you know I like you. Deep down. I really do like you. I just. Your choices. So she's like, but I'm not going to allow myself to work on friendship with her in the picture because I know that she doesn't like me. So that's a weird stance to take. Like, break up with your girlfriend, or you can't be friends with me, but if you break up your girl with your girlfriend, I'm going to date you. It's like, what? So JT is like, well, step one is being here today and seeing you in person and lots of tiny little fragments of my face in your dress, man. We just need to take it one day at a time. Too soon. I just came out with my alcoholism storyline, bro. Sorry, Craig. I was just referencing the television show One Day at a Time, which, coincidentally, our children could also watch together one day. It was very wholesome.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is it. This is it. This is life. The one you've got. Let's go have a ball. Without drinking, though. I don't drink anymore. So Andy's like, I didn't say eight ball. One day at a time. One day at a time. One day at a time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, despite JT being on the FBOY hot seat this season, he was proselytizing on Truth. Now, Austin and Madison, did you coordinate your Polka dots, as JT alleged. That was hilarious. Well, let's roll the polka dot footage, guys. Let's roll.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whoa.

[Ronnie Caram]

We're both wearing polka dots, Madison. That's a strange. Right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

I called her, and I was like, you want to get back together? Let's wear polka dots. And JT's like, well, I will own that, and I will walk it back to Poppy. And Annie's like, all right, a conspiracy theory that Austin cheated on Audrey Le. And she's like, well, for clarification, I did not say cheated. He said he had been dating Audrey a year, and that was a timeline. And I apologize to Austin, because that's not what I meant.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I said he's been seeing a lot of girls, and it's totally different than dating. Am I right? So I'm off the hook on this one, guys. Thanks. So Austin's like, okay, okay, well, look, I met Audrey six months prior to being in an official relationship with Audrey. So I knew Audrey, but I wasn't, like, official with Audrey, so. Okay, so you were seeing a lot of other people during that time, so why are you villainizing Leva? She wasn't lying. Also, Audrey, run. Run, Audrey. Run, girl. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Are you in love with her? I am. I am. She's just, like, a darling, so. And he's like, what every man says.

[Ronnie Caram]

When he's in love with a woman. Gosh, such a darling.

[Ben Mandelker]

What a darling right now. This darling is insane right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Love.

[Ben Mandelker]

Darling.

[Ronnie Caram]

You sound like such a dad. Oh, come over here, girl. Get me some more drinks. Towards the golf cart. I'm over here. The blue golf cart. Come over here. You're a darling. You're a darling.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's a goddamn darling. So Andy is, like, erratic spirit. Conspiracy theory number three, the only one we actually care about. That JT called Miss Patricia a bitch. Now, that does not exist on camera. And Ms. P said on Instagram that she no longer thinks her. He called her the B word. So who here thinks he really called her the B word? And so then.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I know he did. I know he did. So whatever, Whatever you guys want to think. Craig's doing his full arms on the back of the couch, you know, thing that he does when he gets, like, super temper tantrumy. He's like, I know what you did. Whatever, whatever, you guys. Whatever you want to think.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's, like, holding the couch with one arm, so that way, like, hold me back, bro. So then Madison, Sally, and Austin raised our hands, and JT's like, Craig, you really hurt my Feelings, bro. I mean, no audio found. You look like the handsome boy that cried wolf. And Craig's like, thank you. I am handsome, but I don't care. I don't have a dog in this fight.

[Ronnie Caram]

You started the fight, Craig. You are the dog in this fight.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're the dog. You are the wolf.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, you cried wolf. You cried handsome. Handsome wolf. You cried devastatingly dimple in the chin. Handsome. God damn, you're a prince.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wolf does look very handsome in this reunion.

[Ronnie Caram]

I am gonna say he always looks handsome. That's how he gets away with everything. He's adorable. He has a great little smile, and he gets away with whatever the fuck he wants to, and he will continue to for the rest of his life, because he's one of those people that even when he's all old and scraggling, he's gonna have sparkly little eyes and dimples and that smile, and he's just gonna get away with everything, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He really has aged well, so. But take the jt, take the bitch stuff out. The stuff you said was way worse. There's nothing to take out. Craig is on Inside Something the first place. No, I'm saying take that out of it. The stuff about Madison, the stuff about Austin, the way you called Leva fucking whore. I didn't even say. Where'd that come from? I don't know. Why'd you talk so much shit about Andy Cohen? It was so mean. I can't believe you'd say that to the host. This reunion. What? Now you're just making stuff up on the fly?

[Ronnie Caram]

The way that you told America you were going to start putting 20% tariffs on everything so they were all going to go broke was cold. Wait a minute. That ain't me. Prove it. Prove it. But see, the thing he's saying, he's like, okay, but to take the bitch part out of it, the rest of the stuff was even worse. But they've already addressed that other stuff. He's already admitted to that other stuff, and that stuff is over. So, no, it's not worse. This is the thing you lied about. And this is the worst thing, because it's like, the producer of the show, Whitney, and it's his mom, like, yeah, that could get him kicked off the show. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial. Have you ever wondered how a circus performer could become the most powerful woman in the Byzantine Empire?

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[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, chef, I have a question. Did Craig misrepresent what JT said at your golf outing? He's like, gosh, I'd say about 90% of it was spot on. And Craig's like, okay, so 90%. You rebellish. No, no, 90 is a good thing. That was used. That was nice what you said about.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, 90. That's like, still an A. That's great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sorry, I thought you were coming at me. I'm so scared of you.

[Ronnie Caram]

So one of my favorite Shakespeare characters, whole Bunyan. Sometimes you tell a tall tale, and so JT is like, wait, are you serious right now? You're gonna say, and I called her a. I mean, what's the 90%? Craig and Shep's like, I mean, come on. GT you play this moral outrage game on us. Like, we can't tolerate this behavior from a friend. And Craig's like, yeah, you know, we said. You said we were enabling Austin to cheat on his girlfriend by staying friends with him. I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but Craig also. But Craig kind of uses the same argument later in the episode, right?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I mean, Craig's a fucking liar and a hypocrite.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I'm friends with Austin, I'm enabling my behavior. Behavior.

[Ronnie Caram]

So JT's like, JT ruined himself in that first episode. He just ruined himself. I mean, he was.

[Ben Mandelker]

He.

[Ronnie Caram]

He did this to himself. Not the Patricia thing, but he did all of the rest of this to himself in one episode. He up his entire life on this show. What a dumbass.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he really came in thinking that he had, like, momentum behind him and he was gonna do a thing, and he messed up. So he's like, shut up. Are you. You're gonna allow them just to roll? To roll you like this? And he's like, gosh, I don't care. All right, all right. I don't care. I don't care. So, Craig, let's talk about your relationship with the truth on Watch what Happens live. You said you'd never lied on camera.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Buying every single word of it. But there's a montage of me lying. He's like, yeah, okay, roll the tape. I'll show you. I'll walk you through it. I'll walk you through and show you what it's like. Hold.

[Ben Mandelker]

Queen Elizabeth on her deathbed. I've never told a lie.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I was sitting here on my. My hairy worm, and I was like, we're. We're going to the place where I get to finally clear my name of being a liar.

[Ben Mandelker]

And that's how I became the most successful pillow salesman in all of Arrakis. So then. Then Andy's like, well, we made this really hilarious montage of you lying for Watch what Happens live. We're like, why wait it. Let's show it again. Come on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's see. Take a look. And it is just a montage of Craig lying his ass off. I mean, constantly lying the whole, like, well, okay, well, I didn't pass the bar exam because I could. I didn't get my diploma. Isn't that what he said? Like, I didn't. He said something like, I finished just because I didn't get my diploma or something. And then he goes to his parents, and he's sitting with Whitney and Chap, and he's like, yeah, well, I mean, come on, guys. I pass a fucking bar. And they're like, did you? Yeah. So, I mean, just over.

[Ben Mandelker]

I never said that I passed the bar. And then it's like him saying I passed the bar. It's like, I totally graduated. Well, I never graduated. So Andy's like, well, you. You lied about graduating. He's like, well, I still like to find graduating because, like, I walked. I was just like, one credit short. Like, so you didn't graduate? And she was like, it's okay, though. You are an Adderall person. You're an addict, and you need to say, look, that person was a mofo. It's okay to be fallible.

[Ronnie Caram]

Listen. I mean, you used Adderall as a crutch, so now you have to use that. You use Adderall as a crutch. As a crutch. Don't you understand? Now you'll have two crutches, and you can walk. Do I need to show you how to do this? It's your 10.

[Ben Mandelker]

As Shakespeare wrote in his seminal play, the Sisters Rose and Swag, sometimes Adderall clouds your judgment, and that's okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I would never say anything on camera that could impeach me. At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. And that's the life of the poor. It's like, craig, you fucking. They just showed a whole thing of you impeaching yourself, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Speaking of, how is he not a politician yet? That's his next move, right? Craig's gonna be like, mayor of something, or a politician or a congressman or some bullshit. You know that's coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tariffs on pillows. So Andy's like, well, Austin. What is Austin's relation? What is Craig's relationship to the truth? He's like, whoa, it's insane. I won't ever call Craig a liar because I'm scared of him. But you are an embellisher. We have things that we're gonna talk about soon, so we'll get to that. Let's throw it a commercial. Hey, that's my job. But we sound the same right now. Yeah, we do kind of sound the same right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Patricia arrives and Rod Caesar is like, well, hello. The queen has landed. Wow. The queen is here. Wow, everybody. She's like, they don't realize I know all their secret.

[Ben Mandelker]

She knows the biggest secret of all, which is, where is Ryan and why do we not get any? Why do we not get to press this cast about what the heck happened with that whole barbershop situation? It doesn't even come up on this reunion.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's true. How could you not even have Ryan for a little cameo for that? That's nuts.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's probably why he probably chose not to come, because he didn't want to get involved in that mess. I'm not going to talk about that. I already spoke my truth, and I don't have to be embarrassed on national TV about it anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I feel like it's a big deal. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Venita takes a drink over to JT's room. She's like, I brought this as a truce of Anita the respect could drink. Have the bartender make a glass of self respect, please, because I can't. So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, to be fair, it has sugar in it. And he's like, this could kill me. So, yes, have some self respect. But at the same time, like, well done.

[Ronnie Caram]

I didn't realize it was sugar. I thought he was saying, you trying to kill me? Joking that she was trying to poison him. But that's funny. She's like, here's the Snickers bar as a truce.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's how. That's how I took it. Because he was like, my alarm might go off or something like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh. So he's like, okay, then the respect is back. Respect us back. A solid murder. The solid murder attempt.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I'm back in the producer's like, are you guys flirting again? Well, I'm just trying to be good. How was your mother? It's like, oh, God, snooze.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love that Rod. Rod has nothing to say through this whole reunion except, like, little offhand comments, like, kind of off camera. When they're not filming, he just walks up to J.T. he's like, so are you ready for Ms. Pat to apologize? Because she's right over there. Have fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. He spends a lot of time going to be fair. All Rodrigo has done this season has been leave a poker chip in his bag and then later on in the reunion, leave his cufflinks back in Charleston. So he's dealing with a lot of forgetful moments, and that weighs on a person. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, Ms. Pat, it's your first reunion. She's like, first and last. By the way, whoever did this set is Jim, genius. I mean, it's just. Just like my house. Fake antiques, a painting in my house, an aging Peter Pan. Probably going to inherit most of the money I made.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait a minute. Got the rape. You forgot. Hey, you forgot the radiator that we tie Randy up to overnight.

[Ronnie Caram]

So don't you have the dog crate then, that Randy sleeps in? That's usually right by that antique chair over there.

[Ben Mandelker]

We used to call it Chauncey's home. Rip so Andy is like, well, it's with these home now. Hard to believe this show graced our screens over 10 years ago. Wow. Such a change from the baby face law scenes. Let's take a look back. So we see young Shep and young Craig and others.

[Ronnie Caram]

Like the sizzle reel, Right? This isn't even from the show. This is just the sizzle reel of the show. And Whitney especially looks. I mean, they really do all look different. And I have to say, 10 years has been rough on most of these guys. Good Lord. Do you guys just ever put on sunscreen? Now, I don't look like I did 10 years ago either, but I don't look that different. I mean, good lord.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whitney had that haircut that I used to hate. It was like that middle part thing with the long bangs. He looked like someone had a broom over his head that he parted the way so he could see through it.

[Ronnie Caram]

It 10 years old in these.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so did Craig.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, and I do commercial real estate, but I don't really do curse.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Craig is like, yeah. You know, I always say that my wife isn't born yet. That's a joke. When Craig was struggling so hard to be just like the other guys, he's like, yeah, I'm. I'm super rich, and I love dating young chicks.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, like, Patricia's like. She's like, lying akimbo. Isn't that the term? Lying akimbo on, like, a ottoman with, like, some little nibbles nearby. And she's like, I'm used to being filmed in my boudoir.

[Ronnie Caram]

These gentlemen are good looking, accomplished, rich, not even married. Little scams. So then Shep talks about wanting a family, but there's a window. The window should open soon, but it'll probably close in about 10 to 12 years. And they're like. The cast is, like, so awkward.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been 12 years. So now we're back, and Andy's like, craig, you said your wife hasn't been born yet. Is that true? He's like, she's in middle school now. Ha ha ha ha ha. Maybe Madison said that.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Pat's like, well, Andy asked Patricia how she looks so great. She's like, well, you know, speaking of people who haven't been born yet, I just go have the hospital and take stem cells from fetuses that are on hold. And that. That's always really helped. So you never know. Craig could end up having a wife that I've already used to use in my gorgeous face.

[Ben Mandelker]

I could have some of Craig's wife right in my forehead. You know, I came to Charleston to retire and eat bonbons, and Whitney wanted me to do five minutes, and then it was like five minutes more and five minutes more, and next thing you know, I'm on this show full time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. I can't believe this show even lasted. I think it would be like, most of Whitney's career choices, you know, and be a flash in the pan, but here we are. I said, who'd be interested in this cast of reprobates and their misdeeds?

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. You're using words that only half the cast even understands. Hey, Sally, how many minutes is an hour? 57. See?

[Ronnie Caram]

So I subtracted commercials. Andy. I'm a brain surgeon. So then we go to. That's it. They're like, okay, bye. Bye, Ms. Pat. Jesus, that was a plane ride. That's all. So Then we go to. We didn't even ask if she forgives jt. Like, we didn't even get that question. That was like, the biggest thing of the season, right? Did they ask?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know they did. They should have. They should have had, like, a moment. But I think that's. I kind of get the sense that she's like, I'll come on the show, but I don't want to get embroiled and any the back and forth or anything like that.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I was impressed. JT didn't try and give her a cane just, like, as a joke, like, thinking, I'm gonna make this hilarious. I'm gonna offer her the cane again, see if it's okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

He would have done something awful. Like, I'm gonna give you the cane and I'm gonna get down on all four, so you can hit me on the beehian, because I've been a bad little boy. Like, he would have done something awful.

[Ronnie Caram]

And like, here's the cane. Ms. Patricia. Oh, well, of you another kind. Well, this one has inscribed on it, so. Well, at least he's up in his game.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Andy's like, all right, well, Craig, you said Whitney was playing a joke. Did you think you'd be on the show for 10 years? He's like, well, three years was the goal. And he thought that, yeah, Paige said the same thing.

[Ronnie Caram]

I must made it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Patricia's like, yeah. And Patricia's talking about how she loved, like, how she would invite Madison to the early parties, and she's like, two of the guys tried to hook up with her, and it was, of course, Greg and Chad. They failed.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, hey, why'd you say on Watch what Happens, Paige was mean to Craig, and she's like, well, I took a lot of criticism for that from people called the Jiggly Squad. And I said, why are all these chunky women coming after me? But, you know, they're mad at me because I'm not a career oriented woman, which is just not true. I've always worked. But my point was it was dismissive and bordered on rude how she said it. Okay, so is that better? Okay, she's not mean. She's dismissive and rude. So there you go, Jiggly ladies. Okay, you can stop Instagramming me now.

[Ben Mandelker]

What was so funny to me about this reunion was that they. They cut several times to that Watch what Happens Live episode where Patricia said that Paige was mean, and Aust said that there was. They kept on cutting that episode, and that was the episode where we were bartenders.

[Ronnie Caram]

The most handsome part of the whole thing. They cut to it 10 times. I'm like, how did you not cut to the two guys in the back going like this? Hi.

[Ben Mandelker]

Going like this? Or what was the thing you were doing? You're going, the fingers. You were going like this. But, like, I just thought it was so funny that, like, every time they cut to it, like, just to know that, like, we were technically, like 3ft just to the side off of the frame. It's so funny. Like, we're just sitting there smiling. We were just sitting there permanently smiling because we didn't know when the camera would be on us again. So we're like. Like.

[Ronnie Caram]

That was also the episode that Patricia said when he said, are you mad? JT called you a. And she goes, well, to be honest, I am a. So didn't really bother me that much. Yeah. So now we this season. Bye, Pat. For real, Al. Bye. So this season we were introduced to two new Southern bells. Sally, Molly. Unfortunately, we couldn't find someone named Dolly or Malley or Sully or Bali.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bollywood Molly.

[Ronnie Caram]

You said, charleston men are Peter Pan jerks. You suck at life. She's like, yeah, I mean, do you guys watch the show? It's like that times 100. So, like, what do you want from me?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then he asked her about, like, her body image and all that stuff, and she's saying, you know, it's just like, hard to accept a new body. And people online are just like, really mean. And that's just like. Like really affect me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, just a piece of advice. People on the Internet are mean whether you're thin, fat, young, or old. It's. It's the Internet, not you, cuz you're gorgeous, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then Andy asks about the. The cupcake moment, and she says that Whitney apologized, but I don't know, I kind of wanted more comeuppance for that. And Craig is like. I was like, dude, wtf?

[Ronnie Caram]

Brian Moing quoted you quote. Here's a Brian Moyn quote. I'm going to read from his recaps over. And vulture. Wow, Tubas. What a goddess icon. Mother. Holy mo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

What do you think of that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, music is beautiful and it changes you. And, like, it can bring together, like, it can bring together a far right maga and also a gay liberal vulture reporter. And that's what's so important about a tuba.

[Ronnie Caram]

Is she a far right maga?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, she isn't. I just. I just was making that up. I wasn't saying she was. I was just saying that, like, I imagine there's somewhere in the world there was someone, a far right maga, who liked it as well.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was gonna say on this, you're probably not far off.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would guess I just made a joke without a setup. It's okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, I was just like, damn, Molly. Of all the people, I didn't expect Molly. So Molly's like, yeah, music is beautiful and it changes you and it has no calories. So that's. He's like, well, I was impressed how the group was so into it. Remember when Shep stood up and lifted up his shirt and said, look at my titties. Hey, play your tuba for titties. And you did. So he lifted his shirt up and circled his moves around the theater. That was fun.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, as Shakespeare once wrote in the seminal musical High the Heidi Chronicles.

[Ronnie Caram]

Tuba. Who's there?

[Ben Mandelker]

Because tuba doth Ophelia hear and feel. And therefore, may the baritone sounds of my instrument fill your bones with love and joy. And may your pretty little freckled tuba always find joy in all the things you ever do.

[Ronnie Caram]

So do you think that someone playing the instrument is sexy? Chap? Are you gonna maybe think that's sexy? And he's like, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Anybody playing any kind of instrument? Banjo? I don't know. Tap on a table. I'll. Yeah, great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Great stuff together. Put two spoons together and bang them on your knees, and we're gonna have a good time tonight.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't even care if you have any teeth. Whip out a harmonica. I'm in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just take a rubber band and put it between two fingers and pull it. Wow, that counts.

[Ronnie Caram]

All right, well, next up, we've got God play the national anthem on your armpits. I don't care. Leon Lockin's like, nailed it. Get over here, lover boy. So something completely unbelievable that the Internet does not believe at all. And frankly, I don't really either. Sally saying she's a spine surgeon. L. All hell. Okay, Sally, what do you have to say about that? She's like, well, you know, people think I'm just there if the robot malfunctions, but I'm the only person touching the robot. Okay, everybody. So now the surgeon may be doing the surgery, but, you know, I'm the one with the robot that places screws in your spine. And Taylor just, like, rolling her eyes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Taylor's like, taylor, our resident robots. Like, you never touch me.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, as someone from the robot community.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sally's like, yeah, I'm just the only one who Touches the robot, which, you know, until you've blown a robot in the parking lot of the Great American Steakhouse, you really can't comment on my career.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, at first it was the shock of my life, but you get used to it, so. And he's like, well, hey, you've gone through a lot of men. How'd you end up getting with set? Damn Andy. And Sally says that he slid into her dms. And is. Is Sally the only person to ever kick Shep out of bed? And she's like, I did. I did. You know what? Cuz I was ashamed of myself. Cuz I'm not someone who has a one night stand. Okay, could we tell the blowjob in the parking lot story, please? Like, come on, Sally.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials.

[Ronnie Caram]

Here comes one right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. And he's like, all right, Taylor, we got comments that you were bothered by the hookup. And she was, well, she can do what she wants. But she was saying that Shep was obsessed. No, he was just blowing up my phone. It's like, yeah, that's the same as saying he's obsessed. Whatever. And I'm still not with, by the way. And I'm still not with Andrew. Okay? Taylor said he's weird, and he is weird. So I will have her back on. That's the one thing I will have. Have her back on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she keeps trying to kind of be nice to Taylor. Taylor, what do you care? She. You didn't prove her wrong that Shep was blowing up her phone. Why is that so unbelievable? She's young and she's blonde and she's thin. Shep blows up all of their phones, but Taylor is still so stuck on Shep. It's sad. It's sad. Taylor, stop it. You are better than this. So then it's Taylor's turn. Taylor stepped out of a nightmare last season when she was dating George Washington teeth over here. But then she stepped into a fairy tale. So are you still together with Gaston?

[Ben Mandelker]

A year and a half, almost. Oh, cool. Wow, there's so much chatter about him. I would love to give you the floor to clear things up.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the biggest deal ever. Taylor just going and then cutting to commercial made me laugh so hard. Fucking Taylor.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's an incredible human being and he treats me well. And I'm gonna hold him close. Okay, well, Shep, you called Gaston mid. What did you think about that? And does it hurt more, Taylor, when someone mid calls someone else mid? I think about. I think talking about someone's looks is very middle school and Very mean girl. She was like, I agree. I'm a little boy, I've learned my lesson.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, some might consider it metacritical.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hypomitical. Medical, Medical West One Medical.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's the kind of medicine I do, Andy. So he's like, I agree, that wasn't cool. And Shep, you know, you said that her family wanted her to be with you and is that really true? And he goes, well, that wasn't really fair to say. You know, it's just that I knew that her mom and dad and everybody in her family would just want her to be with me, you know, because I'm rich. Ish. So not rich enough to buy a house for gold digging people in the Bahamas, but certainly rich enough for her. I mean, my cabin's on a bigger hill. That's all I meant, Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I was at her brother's funeral. Sorry, I gotta go there. But her sweet, sweet granddad was like, like, are you and Taylor ever gonna get back together? And I was like, oh my gosh. And Taylor's like, I don't think he would ever say that at this point. I just, I care about her and I'll never stop doing that. And if I could give her a great white tooth shark necklace every day, I would.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, Shep, saying that is kind of low, I guess, but saying information that you got from her brother's funeral.

[Ben Mandelker]

He didn't have to include that. He could have just said, I, I spoke to one of her family members and they said that, I don't know. So Taylor's like, well, what's frustrating is hearing you say you care a whole hell of a lot. Like, why didn't you care when you had your tongue down some other girl's throat while your finger was in her wet while you were coming in her face? Like, Taylor, Taylor, she always loses at the reunion. She always goes a little too hard. You're like, whoa, Taylor.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she, she kept it pretty, like, calm in this one. Of course, she didn't have Olivia on the other couch calling her the C word every other, every other sentence either. So I guess she didn't have that to fight, so. And he's like, all right, well, one person who's had a lot to say about Gastone is Sally. Sally, why do you keep talking about it? And she's like, well, I stopped completely. I mean, she's the one who's continued to go around town, you know, talking about me. And she's like, well, you're in a new friend group and you're Talking about me and you're going around town.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm going around town. That's crazy. She's like, yeah, you're talking about my boyfriend, but you're still running your mouth about me today, yesterday, the day before. I mean, it's like 23 6. You know what I'm talking about non stop.

[Ronnie Caram]

You got nothing better going on in your life. Yeah, but Taylor, if you date a man that half the town has dated and he's been a to all of those people, they're going to talk about him. Sorry. You know, don't date a villain if you don't want your boyfriend to be villainized.

[Ben Mandelker]

She doesn't.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she has the right. She bought the product. She's not an unverified Amazon review. She has bought the product and she has the right to leave her. One star. Sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Caram]

Data. Better product.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love is like. I think, by the way, guys, the whole point is that you came into her friend group, which wasn't even her friend group. She just sort of was like grandfathered in, sort of by a ship. And understandably, that is like your experience and talk. And you talked about a guy she hadn't even introduced to the group yet, even though we all knew who he was. Because Gaston's really been with, like, everyone in Charleston. So it's understandable from both ends.

[Ronnie Caram]

You guys, I'm so glad Love is here to lecture everybody about more shit she had nothing to do with, like, what the Leave up alone, leave me alone lady.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Taylor is like, you don't have to scream into the mountaintops to our friend group. And Andy's like, well, Sally, do you want to have a relationship with Taylor Anne? I'm gonna keep on saying Taylor Anne. And Taylor's like, no, not while she's dating Gaston. So basically, Taylor thinks that she's gonna get married to Gaston and she thinks it's gonna happen within a year and they're gonna have a terrible relationship, happily never after.

[Ronnie Caram]

And by the way, we have no evidence that Gaston has even said that to her. She's just like. She's put on the spot. Like, do you think you're gonna get married? She's like, I think, think, well, when do you think? Well, I think maybe this year. Like, you're. You're dating another chef, ma'am. Yeah, yeah, sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right. Well, this season, Charleston's resin Martha Stewart, AKA Craig. I just have to clarify that because I see a lot of blank faces here on the studio. Attempted to live out his suburban dreams with a brand new pool and A side hustle as a beekeeper. But at the end of the season, Craig would stung when his queen abruptly left the hive, and he was left.

[Ronnie Caram]

With no honey, but a lot of.

[Ben Mandelker]

Allergies and also some wax.

[Ronnie Caram]

There was a long montage to show us Craig and Paige. Just, you know, so we don't have to go through it all. Just imagine this for 10 minutes. You're stupid. Shut up. Okay. Ew. And montage. So. All right. Well, Craig, I know we have to discuss the breakup, but first I want to know, how's the sewing business going?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's really good. I'm about to launch a new concept that was really difficult and took us three years of, like, workshopping. But circular pillows. That's right. No more stopping and turning 90 degrees on the sewing machine. We're just going in a full circle. It's really hard, but we're happy for it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. No one's ever done it before. But you know where I'm happy to be the first man on the moon? Handy. Which is also round. So branding.

[Ben Mandelker]

We are sewing individual moons into pillows. Going forward, we're gonna be using a zigzag stitch. It's very exciting.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you got more. You got some flack this season for being concerned about your image more than your friends. So what do you think about that? And Chef's like, but, I mean, there has to be a balance, right? Like, look. Look at me. I have only friends and no business. That's called balance, Craig. You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, if there. If Craig had been a bit more communicative looking back, maybe he could have sent a long text talking about the freckles on my lips and then making a bumo at the end, like, thank you for listening to my TED Talk. Well, then, you know. Then, you know, but that would have helped a lot. But you did, you know, you did have your talk with Austin on the beach, and that was very nice.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Andy's like, austin did his relationship with Paige. Sorry. Austin did his relationship with Paige. Caused him to pull back from his friendship with you. Here's your chance to do what you always do on this show, gentlemen, and blame the woman. And so Austin's like. Well, you know, to get in a relationship like Craig was in, I mean, there's no shame to make that person your number one. But, you know, I mean, when did things go wrong? I can't even tell you, Andy. It's insane. It's insane.

[Ben Mandelker]

That just shows. He didn't even lean on any of his friends. Shep was like, well, you Know, third party friendships are really important. Us, third party friendships.

[Ronnie Caram]

What the. Is he, like, a Facebook consent form I have to fill out? Is this a reject all cookies situation or.

[Ben Mandelker]

Third party friendships are very difficult when Apple is tracking her every single move.

[Ronnie Caram]

But I think, do not track. Do not track. Taylor's like, I'm sorry that you already hit that. You already hit that checkbox.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think his anchor was dug in so deep with her that maybe it wasn't a healthy thing in the end for him. Well, my only way to get to where I wanted to get on my journey was to really isolate myself. And I really liked having someone, like, home to go to, even though it was more of, like, a drawing that I made of her and put on my couch and she didn't come to Charleston anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, Like, I'm going through a really hard time, so to stay at home and then not have my prop that I've worked so hard, hard to get to my house there really hurt Andy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Really, really goes well. Looking from the outside, it seemed like you were setting up a life for the two of you that only one of you was interested in. Let's roll the clip. And so you think it's gonna be another montage of Paige being, like, disgusting, but it's literally just her at the bee farm being like, ew, bees. That's actually literally, like, Craig saying, like, wow, like, we're getting honey. And she's like, or you could just go to the store and get, like, a normal person. It's, like, the only clip.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, but that was the whole scene where it was just so clear, where he's like, look. Look at this go. Like, we're gonna have goats. She's like, no, gross. Okay, but, like, goats are, like, children. We can't wait to have children. Right, Paige? And she's, like, disgusting. He's like, oh, my God, I'm so glad we're on the same page.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even your name is Paige, so. And he's like, do you think there were signs you missed in the relationship? And this is a rhetorical question, because all of America says, yes. They're a big, huge billboard. He's like, well, the funny thing is that, like, I was working on myself to stop reacting to signs, which is why I had so many traffic accidents the past year. It was really rough.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's such a weirdo. What does that mean? I'm working on myself to stop reacting to signs. What does that mean? That's, like, the dumbest thing you could possibly do. And he says that she stopped Visiting in Charleston because she was, quote, unquote, too busy. No, not quote unquote. Quote, not quote, unquote. She's too busy to be flying every weekend to see you because you won't leave your goddamn store, sir. Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

60 show tour.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So he's like, and she didn't come to my Nashville store. That's weird. She should have gone. I mean, that is kind of weird. Because she was too busy. Quote, unquote.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not weird. It's not weird. It's not weird. If you don't like the person. If you don't like the person. It's not weird.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, if you're not even going to go to your boyfriend store that they opened, that is weird. You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

But I think, again, yes, you. You should. Like, if you're in a healthy relationship, like, it's. It's.

[Ronnie Caram]

Of course we're not in a relationship. You'd come to my store, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, but it's just so funny. He's like, I was totally blindsided. This is just, like, tangible. Like, this is. This is. This is just like bricks of evidence just put on your lap. I can't believe it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Quote, unquote, too busy is kind of the problem with you, Craig, you know? And he's like, yeah, it was so confusing being a relationship sometimes. Yeah. Because you kept telling her the things that she is, and she kept telling you that she's not. Those things, Craig. It's confusing because you were trying to implant what you wanted onto somebody instead of listening to what they wanted. You see?

[Ben Mandelker]

But what's also funny is how, like, he is, he basically is shaming Paige for being too busy with her career. The whole thing is like, you have to prioritize our relationship. You're too busy. You're not spending time. Da, da, da, da, da. And yet this is the exact same thing. What Paige is doing to Craig is the exact same thing that Craig does to his friends, where he's like, I've got to focus on my career. I've got to focus on my job. So maybe he's doing that because that is how he's processing what's happening to him. But it's, you know, you know, classic Craig hypocrisy.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then he goes into this again, which I still don't believe. Yeah. She was like, I'd like you to get me a ring. I think it's time. Time. I just. I don't ever hear those words coming out of her mouth. I just don't hear it I don't believe it. So he says he had a four karat elongated cushion cut made with half carat diamonds around the band. And then after she got. He got the ring, she was like, no, you need to wait until I announce the business. What business?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do, you know what they're talking about? But looking back, it didn't feel right, you know, and so he's gonna take it back because I don't regift jewelry like my friend over there. And Shep's like, it was. Was a megalodon tooth. The other one was a great wine course. How many times do I have to explain it?

[Ben Mandelker]

All right, Andy, recently on Watch what Happens Live, you alluded to rumors that Paige moved on with another guy that were substantiated. So Austin's saying, you know, this is the clip to Austin on. On the show saying, like, yeah, no, those are. No, the rumors are, like, real. So now he's like saying, well, I shouldn't have said that because, like, I don't know the girl's day today. But it looked like repetitive dates. And, like, that's why I thought. It doesn't seem like a rumor, you know? You know, at one point, three different outlets, three different gossip rides corroborated a story. Now, did they get. Were they just quoting each other and sourcing each other? Perhaps. But if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it might just be Ken Burns seminal documentary, the Vietnam War quack.

[Ronnie Caram]

Do you mean like those ducks in that sweet cartoon with Scrooge McDuck? Because our children could watch that Vanita one day. All right, shut up, jt. Your segment's over. Paige responded to the accusation. She said the narrative took a turn really quickly, that I cheated. Let me say this here and now. I don't. I did not cheat on my ex boyfriend. We were broken up for a full month, and I didn't say anything because he asked me not to say anything. And Craig goes, that's not true. Yes, it is. You even said yourself that she broke up with you right after Thanksgiving and you didn't believe it and didn't want to talk about it. So you really did not. You really did not say, you want to go public with it. Then why did she have to text you and tell you that she was going to go public with it a month later? Craig, if you had never.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. And he's like, do you think that she cheated on you? I'm not even. Like, I'm not. Like, I can't I'm not going to even think about. Talk about anything like that. And so Shep is like, well, what do you think, Andy? You saw the little reports, the sweet, little freckled reports. And Andy's like, well, that's an HR issue. Okay, we don't have HR here.

[Ronnie Caram]

But Craig said. Craig is acting like, well, I'm not even going to talk. I would never say anything like that. I'm just not going to talk about it. Hinting that, yes, she might have cheated, but meanwhile, he just said that she broke up with him right after Thanksgiving and she wasn't rumored to date this guy for a. A month later. So you. You can't have it both ways. You're admitting that she's telling the truth, yet hinting that she's lying. Craig. This is why Craig's a piece of. You know, and he keeps looking down like, I just can't believe it. Yeah, you can. She broke up with you a month prior. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So? Well, Kyle and Amanda recently defended Paige. You unfollowed Kyle and Amanda? Well, they said, there is something wrong with how I'm handling being broken up with. And, like, she broke up with me, and I protected her to the end of the earth. But that ended the day that you cut me out of your life.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I mean, he's like, yeah, they said that. Like, I'm. It's my fault for not going on every little Reddit thread and defending her. Those weren't little Reddit threads. Those were huge news stories. As your friends just pointed out to you. Sir, for you not to even come out and say, no, this is. She didn't cheat is shitty of you if you want to stay friends with her. Her. So then douche from Bags are My Life because I live in Charleston. Says on Twitter, women everywhere are going to be pursuing Craig so hard after seeing how he cheated or how he treated Paige. I mean, telling a woman that she shouldn't have a career once she has a family, I mean, it's just so sexy. Craig, what do you think? Have you talked to Paige? And he's like, no, she cut me out of my life. She cut me out of her life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Madison is. Apparently, he's. I'm not dating because I'm sad. And Mass has been sending him, like, girls, and Craig is, like, the dating thing. I. I feel like I kind of want to be fully healed unless a super hot girl comes along who used to date, like, Dak Prescott. But other than that, like, yeah, I.

[Ronnie Caram]

Can'T date Craig, who's so ready for marriage that all he wants to do is find someone that he can immediately settle down with and have babies. Is dating someone who's young, in her 20s, influencer, who only dates sports. Sports figures. That's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Really bringing your whole storyline. Truth to light here, Craig.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And he's like. And he's like, well, you know, like, maybe you seem like a little. Maybe it's like a little relieved about not having to cover for anything. It's like, well, I'm really sad, but there's a likeness to it because I did a lot of living by myself. And in my head, I. I was like, one day we'll do this together. One day we'll get a whole bunch of bee stings, getting a little bit of honey that we probably will never use together. And I was in love. Not with reality. I was in love with the potential of what we could be. And I think I was blinded by making it want to work.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, well, that's the most honest thing he said. I was not in love with reality. I was in love with the potential of what could be. Yep. Okay, there. I won't call bullshit on that, because that's the most honest you've been, and you're the sucker for that. Sucker. So then at the break, Rod, of course, Messy ass Rod. This is the only time he speaks. He's like, so, Shep, when are you going to start screaming and yelling? Your turn's coming up soon. All right, I'll go back, sit over here and say nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I haven't had a chance to, but I'm healed. I had ayugarshka, and now I'm calm. So Andy's like, all right. Craig and Paige may have dominated recent headlines, but the real love story has always been Craig and Shep and Austin. But this season has been a rocky road. Last season, Shep was struggling, and the two of you were keeping him at arm's length. And Austin's like, yeah, Craig has always been able to, like, draw that line in the sand. And, like, I haven't been able to do that. Like, with Shep especially. He calls him, and I'm like this. And I'm like, oh, don't answer. And then I answer. And I'm like, this is insane right now. I can't believe I answered. And Craig's like, why do you do that to yourself? And, like, you're mad at him. I'm like, I know Craig. It's insane. I can't help myself. I'm addicted to helping.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we Basically talk about how they got together and they started making it work again. And that Greg thinks it's so offensive that they accused him of curating his image. And he's, like, so insulting. I can't believe my friends would say that. You know, I was just working on myself. You know, where I come from, if you stop drinking alcohol, it's because you have a problem with alcohol. You know? So to be fair, when we got to the Bahamas, Austin finally understood it when I told him I was having a problem with alcohol as I drank a full. A full bottle of alcohol by myself. From the bottle.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, I guess I could have seen some science, too, with your past. Like, maybe he does have a problem with alcohol. But, like, he stopped.

[Ronnie Caram]

He started running stop signs, and he was insane. He, like, saw no signs. Hey, I was working on that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, to be fair, I also didn't see signs, unfortunately. Both of us kept crashing our cars into each other. It was insane. But when I came to your house, I was like, surely out of, like, crash. Craig, I know you've been busy, and I was hoping that you'd be like, look, maybe I've lost touch with some of my personal relationships. Instead, you looked at me and were like, stop spitting at me. And I was like, I can't help but, Craig, you used to understand that about me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And he's like, you know, I'm just, like, terrified of Craigslist. So you're scared of him? Yeah, I'm terrified of him sometimes. And so Andy's like, so, Craig, do you have a bad temper? He goes, I'm working on it. That's why I don't drink anymore on camera. And so Andy's like, so, is anyone else scared of Craig? And pretty much everybody raises.

[Ben Mandelker]

Everyone raises their hands. Everyone's like.

[Ronnie Caram]

And we see a clip of him kind of having a fit at the table. They're like, why would you be mad? And they show a clip of the table where he's kind of questioning people or whatever. But why didn't they show the clip of him walking into that room being like, oh, fuck this. I'm not poor. I'm not sleeping here. It's ridiculous. I don't have to share a room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, I thought the clip, I think. And then they also showed a clip of him when they went on their Denver or their Colorado ski trip and he was drunk at the airport. And Cameron's like, craig, Craig, Craigory, why are you yelling? And, Chelsea, are you drunk? But they should have. They should have shown him Yelling about that, being, like, having a diva fit, because that was from the season. But, yeah, he's, like, out of control. And then his response is, you guys don't have to rub it in. Like, I like, you don't. If. If everyone's terrified of you, you don't get to be the victim. To be, like, stop being mean to be. Stop being mean about how I'm like a monster to you guys. That's not nice or fair.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right? So next up, they show a clip of where Paige was saying, oh, my God, like, you've got this guy Austin. Like, what grown man complains that his friend wants to stay home and stop drinking? Like, what kind of man does that? And someone on Twitter called him a mean guy for that. And they're like, oh, my God. Yeah, that was really mean of Paige. Well, how do you guys want it? Like, if she didn't ever stand up from you? Be like, Paige never sticks up for him. Paige was so mean to him. But now Paige is sticking up for him. You know, Craig does say, like, she was just sticking up for me, but everyone else was like, oh, Paige.

[Ben Mandelker]

Paige also hates Austin. Let's not forget how Austin massively screwed over Sierra, one of Pedro's closest friends, and how Austin would come to the summer house. House and be a total. And remember when.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, the door on people. Like, you don't get to. You don't get to close the door on me. Okay. You don't get to do that. I will kick your ass. So, like, she's never liked Austin, and so she's more than happy to find an opportunity to mock him as she should.

[Ronnie Caram]

So those guys haven't been supportive of their relationship either.

[Ben Mandelker]

They. They every. How many times has there been, like. Like, murmurings about, like, she doesn't come on the vacation.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So next up is the podcast. Craig trying to buy the podcast for 30 grand. And Craig's like, you know, I just, like, I get frustrated with Austin because, like, I know his goals, and if he got, like, me and stopped drinking on camera, like, he could get there. You know, all he really needs is a good friend to, like, do all of his business for him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

His name to become a success. Like, you know, that's. I really believe in him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, do you think he has a. You think he has. His drinking is holding him back. It's like, well, he doesn't have a drinking problem. It's like, oh, when you said, I was shocked. Shocked right now. Well, what about. Or you said he was also Zannied. Out. Just to be clear, I don't have a Xanax problem. I do have a saliva problem. Craig will say these things and make me look like I'm the problem. It's me, and it's not the truth at all. And I posted something about getting mimosas on Sunday, and Craig was like, oh, wow, somebody's in there. Party era. It was disgusting. It's insane right now.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, I was disappointed because you were drinking. Oh, shut the up, Craig. Give me a break. On Sunday, having a mimosa at brunch. Come on. And he's. You know. So they do the whole, like, you're mad because I don't. I was. You don't. Sorry, Craig. You're like, I don't want to go out anymore. You know, like, I get mar marks with rods at Santis, and we're home by 8:00, and you're, like, judging me for it. It.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, and the other day that like, it. And it hit me like a ton of bricks when she said this. She said, bottom line, Craig does not respect you. And that's like. I did say that. Yeah. Yeah, it was hilarious. I say watching the Watch. Watching the blood just, like, drain out of his face in that moment as he realized entire friendship was built off of nothing. I thought that was just wonderful.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, well, I mean, I guess I respect him, but, like, if seeing him drink makes me mad. So then Rodrigo gets asked a question, you know, does. Does Austin complain about getting judged by Craig? And he's like. I mean, he's like. It's just, like, weird for him to be judgmental because, like, he's not hurting anybody. Like, what's he doing? He's just drinking, like, what the hell?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Lev is like, he feels like you're. You think you're better than him, and you treat him like you're better than him, and you're, like, more successful than him. Yeah, it's like you're in an ivory tower sometimes. Like, superiority. Craig's like, see, this is the stuff that makes me not want to hang out with him. Isn't it funny how Austin looks so small from where I'm sitting? When you're really successful, the smaller Austin looks right now. See, you're talking like you're in a tower again.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, yeah, it's just like you're saying, like, I live in soap. That's not cool. Like, I just remodeled my house, you know? And if you think I'm better. If I think. If you think I think I'm better than you. You guys just shouldn't be my friend then. You just shouldn't be my friends.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just such an obnoxious response.

[Ronnie Caram]

He's like, I'm really working on my anger. Oh, really? You don't agree with me? We can't be friends then. Idiots. Poor, poor people.

[Ben Mandelker]

Craig, who's like, guys, you don't have to rub it in that I'm a monster. And then, like, Austin is like, you're, like, condescending to me. He's like, well, maybe you're deserving. Like, he then rubs it in.

[Ronnie Caram]

Austin, I control the way you perceive my actions. Yeah. Vanita's like, dude, he's trying to tell you how he feels. You're being rude. Oh, don't be my friend then.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so obnoxious, Austin. Like, Craig, I've been battling with this, and that's what I've been trying to tell you. I don't want to. I don't know if I should be your friend. Like, why continue on if I get backhanded for stepping out of line? It's a crazy concept. I don't know with anyone else. You're an ivory tower, bro.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you admitted something really personal to Austin. And we love pretending that we care about alcoholism addiction problems on this show before we offer our guests full bars and drink every night after the show. Okay, so let's talk about do alcoholism, Craig. I think I have a problem with alcohol. Wow, that was so brave, Craig. So brave. He's like, yeah, it's weird to talk about. And love is like, well, yeah, but, like, you know what? If you were open up, this entire floor friend group would scoop you up and have your back, you know? Like, I just think, like, you have addictive personality where it's all page or like, it's all work or like, it's all whatever, you know, like, God put. Or the universe put these guys in your life to have balance, you know, you need some balance. Not new balance, which you cannot wear after 8pm in any of my clubs, but balance, Craig. And he's like, shut up. Craig's just looking at her like, shut the up. We don't even like each other. Love.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, there's no world, no way. There's no scenario in the life where the universe puts Shep and Austin into anyone's life so that way they can have more balance. That's just. It's just not the way the universe or anything has ever worked in the future. Like, those two are. They are the glitches in The Matrix. So Austin's like, you know, for him to open up to me, like, Leva, you can sit here and say, why didn't you just say it? But it's like, it's hard for us to be completely open and vulnerable. Like, and when Craig opened up to me and made me. Made me emotional and, like, there's a genuine care for Craig. Like, love you, bro.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, God. So Andy's like, well, you. You changed your relationship with alcohol, but Austin's still terrified of you. What do you think of that, Craig? And he's like, I mean, I'm saying, like, it sucks you guys think that about me. You know, I'm going to work on it with new friends, you know, and they're like, well, maybe you need to just be more communication. That's the buzzword today. You just need more communication. No, it's not communication. You just saw what happens when Craig tries to communicate or people trust. Try to communicate with Craig. So everybody's like, oh, my God, you guys should be so fun. You're like, the heart of this show, guys. And Craig goes, well, maybe I'll have a celebratory beer with you. And Madison's like, we're drinking n a now. Come on, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just love Craig. Really? Milking. Like, I. I have a problem with alcohol. I'm an alcoholic. I can't. Like, I couldn't be friends with you because I'm an alcoholic. And, like, maybe I'll have a beer with you tonight. I'm like, wait, Yeah, I. I know. Like, you know, there's different approaches and, like, different types of sobriety or whatever, but, like, he really is milking the sobriety thing. But then very quickly, it's like, oh, I'm gonna have a beer. And no one bats an eye because they all know, like, with Craig, you just know. Don't know what.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, he could have meant non al. But the problem with Craig and his whole sobriety thing for me, and the reason I rag on it and don't with other people. People is, well, I do some people. But the reason I ran on it with Craig is because he literally used the word alcoholic. And it's just bullshit. I just don't believe that he's quit alcohol. And he said multiple times he had a problem with hard liquor, so he'll only drink beer, and he's drinking less than. He's not going out and getting wasted, but he's still drinking socially or whatever. Okay, that's okay if you want to do that. But to be like, I'm an alcoholic and use that as like your, your kind of sympathy storyline when you're still drinking alcohol. Like, no, that's not how you quit drinking. It's just, it' a mind. And Craig just gets away with these little like, I'm going to let people believe by drinking non alcoholic beers that I'm not drinking at all. And then if he's ever called on drinking or being seen drinking, he's like, oh, well, that's because it's just like I'm, I'm drinking less. Okay, so which is it? You know, it's just a Craig answer. And it's just frustrating to listen to Craig lie over and over.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's frustrating. Yeah. Makes me crazy. So Craig is so, Andy is like, well, so do you think next year you'll have a girlfriend, Greg? He's like, I don't think you can plan that stuff. Literally. That has been your entire storyline has been planning out like every single beat of your love life and your future marriage and family. So, and then Andy is like, about next month.

[Ronnie Caram]

Probably next month.

[Ben Mandelker]

Probably next, yeah, next month. No, I've got to heal. I, I, I've been hurt by Paige. I need to get into protective cocoon. I can't have a girlfriend. Wait, hold on one second, second. Oh, a really super hot girl just texted me. Yeah, I'm dating someone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, drop your life. I'm impregnating you. So basically it's like now it's the part of the reunion where everyone's like, oh my God, we can totally repair all of our friendships and JT cares about people. One day at a time, guys. One day at a time. Not seven days. Otherwise I'm finding another girlfriend.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, yeah, but one day. And Vanita is like, well, I can't do much because he's dating somebody, all right, right now. So it's like, okay, great, we put a bow on that stupid ass controvers. And then Andy is like, well, Shep, I feel like it's a tradition by now. I'd love to give you the floor to have some final thoughts. Would you please take it away, Ship?

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, Auntie. Look, look everybody. We're all on a TV show. Who would have ever guessed it? And you know, being on TV so hard because people are so mean to us on the Internet they call me George Washington teeth and make Shakespeare Joe jokes and stuff and shark necklace jokes. But you know what? At the end of the day, I'm a good little boy and you all know it. And I'm a better person now because I haven't over any woman on TV this year and also got victimized by a gold digging slut in the Bahamas. So cheers to me. Cheers to us. But mostly to me everybody. If There are any 22 year olds out there who want an old man who gets mailbox money, give me a call. Cheers.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so ends this season, the 10th season of Southern Charm and also our episode. So thanks everyone for being here and for listening. Go to watchcrappins.com to get your tickets to see us live. Only a few shows left, so don't miss out and we'll catch you on the next one. Bye everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye.

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