#2792 RHOA S16E05 Part One: Out of this Twirled

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary: Episode #2792 RHOA S16E05 Part One: Out of this Twirled

Release Date: April 7, 2025

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast: Watch What Crappens | Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode #2792 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous events of "The Real Housewives of Atlanta" Season 16, Episode 5, titled "Out of this Twirled." Skipping over the typical sponsorship segments, Ben and Ronnie jump straight into dissecting the latest drama unfolding among the cast members, with a particular focus on the escalating tensions between Kenya Moore and Brittney "Brit" Pitts.

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Recap of RHOA Episode

The episode opens with Ben expressing excitement over the arrival of spring, setting a light-hearted tone before transitioning into the core discussion. Ronnie briefly mentions their busy schedule, highlighting upcoming live shows and planned recaps, but swiftly moves the conversation to the main topic: last night's fiery RHOA episode.

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Kenya and Brit Conflict

The heart of the discussion centers on the heated exchange between Kenya and Brit. Ronnie outlines the controversy surrounding Kenya's alleged threats involving firearms, which has ignited intense debates among fans:

• False Accusations: Initially, fake images circulated online depicting Kenya next to a derogatory poster of Brit, sparking confusion and outrage. Ronnie questions, "What exactly did she do?" ([06:42]).

• Public Backlash: The release of tapes from Season 6 revealed Kenya threatening to shoot Phaedra with a gun during a conversation with Brandon. This resurfacing has led fans to scrutinize Kenya's behavior, with Ronnie drawing parallels to legal dramas: "If this was a Good Wife episode, you would have had this whole episode being like, you know, justice for Kenya" ([07:13]).

• Hostility Escalates: Ben critiques the portrayal of Kenya, emphasizing that while she's adept at creating compelling television drama, the recent incidents have crossed into cruelty: "It went from shady and being, like, villainous to just, like, cruelty in a way that was really unfortunate" ([08:36]).

• Kenya's Tactics: The hosts discuss Kenya's strategy of exploiting perceived weaknesses in her rivals, noting her shift from traditional antagonism to more overt aggression: "Kenya is definitely, though, doing the Kenya thing, where she is now, like, oh, I'm gonna take that" ([30:12]).

Notable Quotes:

• Ben (08:36): "Kenya's so much better than that. She doesn't have to resort to us."
• Ronnie (05:37): "Nailed great."
• Ben (29:13): "I've got to see it and she can show me from afar."

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Family Drama and Additional Cast Intricacies

The discussion broadens to encompass the intricate family dynamics showcased in the episode, particularly focusing on Angela and her daughter Amari:

• Amari's Turbulent Relationship: Ronnie narrates the conflict involving Angela trying to use a car she believes belongs to her daughter Amari. The ensuing argument reveals deep-seated family issues, including financial strain and misunderstandings: "You never told me that" ([36:54]).

• Mental Health Struggles: Angela mentions her mother's battle with bipolar disorder, adding another layer of complexity to the family's already strained relationships. Ben humorously comments on the fragility of self-diagnosed mental health claims: "I'm not sure how to check in on that" ([40:15]).

• Sisterly Discord: The subplot involving Amari's secret marriage and the subsequent fallout highlights the lack of communication and support within the family: "Why wouldn't you tell me, baby? Why?" ([41:09]).

Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie (34:26): "I don't understand someone getting in your face."
• Ben (36:26): "So Angela's like, well, I got a call from your grandma saying you need to talk to your daughter."

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Behavioral Analysis of Cast Members

Ben and Ronnie analyze the behaviors of various cast members, offering critical and often humorous insights:

• Shamia's Role as the Peacemaker: Shamia is described as the glue holding the group together, often mediating disputes but sometimes becoming entangled in the drama herself.

• Charles's Domestic Antics: The hosts mockingly discuss Charles's obsessive cooking habits and his detached response to familial conflicts: "He's bold. Charles isn't a little afraid of making a chicken" ([54:36]).

• Modeling and Appearance Obsessed: The unrealistic modeling segments are critiqued, with Ben lamenting the overemphasis on wigs and appearance: "They just put on these fantastic wigs, and it has nothing to do with their hair" ([26:10]).

Notable Quotes:

• Ben (56:53): "It's called killing us softly with the song, not killing us intensely and repeatedly with your song."
• Ronnie (60:36): "Charles seems both like, the worst husband on the planet and also the best."

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Conclusions and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie express a mix of frustration and amusement at the unfolding drama:

• Sympathy for Kenya's Aggression: While they critique Kenya's recent actions, there's an undercurrent of understanding for her complex persona, balancing her role as a compelling antagonist with the crossing of personal boundaries.

• Critique of Dysfunctional Families: The hosts appreciate the portrayal of dysfunctional family relationships, finding them more engaging than seemingly perfect households.

• Anticipation for Future Episodes: Both are eager to see how these conflicts will resolve in future episodes, hinting at ongoing storylines involving Amari and other cast members.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben (45:52): "I love it. Because, honestly, the cast members that come on with functional families is incredibly boring."
• Ronnie (64:15): "Hello there. This is a two-part recap."

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Closing Remarks

As the first part of their two-part recap concludes, Ben and Ronnie invite listeners to return for the continuation of their analysis. They playfully sign off with their trademark humor, maintaining the show's blend of satire and genuine critique.

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Notable Quotes Highlighted:

• Ben Mandelker:

  • "Kenya's so much better than that. She doesn't have to resort to us." ([08:36])
  • "It's called killing us softly with the song, not killing us intensely and repeatedly with your song." ([56:53])
  • "I love it. Because, honestly, the cast members that come on with functional families is incredibly boring." ([45:52])

• Ronnie Karam:

  • "Nailed great." ([05:37])
  • "I don't understand someone getting in your face." ([34:26])
  • "Charles seems both like, the worst husband on the planet and also the best." ([60:36])

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Episode Conclusion:
The episode wraps up as Ben and Ronnie transition to a comedic sponsorship segment, ensuring listeners are left eagerly anticipating Part Two of their detailed recap.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what happens. Watch what Crap is who cares what happens when there's so much who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today, it's Mr. Ronnie Caram. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. What's going on with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Not much. Just gearing up for a really big week, both in terms of recaps and in terms of travel and live shows. We've got a lot going on today. We're going to recap last night's incendiary Real Housewives of Atlanta over on Patreon. We are going to do a double bonus episode covering the finale of White Lotus. So that'[e-mail] watchful crappens. Please join us for that. You can also get our videos there as well. Then we also have a full slate of our normal recaps. We are going we have three live shows this week in Boston, Detroit, and Chicago. In Boston, we're going to do the Beverly Hills reunion. And then Detroit, we're doing the classic Vanderpump Rules episode. It's not about the pasta, which is great episode. And then on Saturday in Chicago, we are going to do Summer House. We also have just on the feed, we'll have, you know, all sorts of other stuff. But we since it is such a busy week for us, we originally were going to start our Top Chef coverage this week, but we're just going to push it back one week to next week because we just have a lot going on and it's just as simple as that. So thanks for your patience on the Top Chef front and we hope to see all of you over at our live shows, go to watchcraft.com to get tickets for our shows. And then in May, we're going to Austin and Dallas. Those will be amazing shows because Texas always turns up and really it's we always have a great time there. And then in May also after that, we have our very first ever Las Vegas show. So we still Have a lot of stuff on the calendar, and we're just excited about all of it. Can't wait to see your faces. And excited to see some new faces in Vegas. By the way, that's gonna be. That'll be a new face experience for us. So everyone go to watchcraft.com, get your stuff, and we will, you know, see you there. Anything to add to that, Ronnie?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. Nailed it. Did great. Nailed great.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nailed it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so this is the episode we've all been waiting for for Atlanta. What did Kenya do? What exactly did she do? Because at the time when this happened, people were putting out fake pictures on the Internet of, like, Kenya posing next to a poster board of Brit with a dick on her face and stuff. So I was like, what happened? Also, since last week, you know, the fighting on the Internet, you can always just rely on the Internet to fight over the dumbest things, which I love you, Internet. You know, with the world tearing down among us, it's great to be able to spend hours upon hours on Real Housewives of Atlanta threads reading what everybody's pissed about. So there's been a big war about, like, do you know this is unfair to Kenya? Brit was the one who threatened to pull a gun and all this. Well, then they released the tapes, which were Kenya from season six threatening to shoot Phaedra in her donkey booty and then pulling out her gun. Now, this was all at her house, you know, when she was talking to Brandon. But they were like, since when is Kenya so upset about gun stuff she pulled? She threatened Phaedra with the gun to the point where Phaedra showed up with a bodyguard of the reunion and all that, which I totally forgot about.

[Ben Mandelker]

All I had forgotten about that 100%. All I remember is that Marlo had guns. She showed us a tour of her guns, but that's all I can remember in terms of that.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then, you know, I love a law show. I love, like, a legal show, like a Matlock or a Good Wife. My personal favorite, the Good Wife. And if this was a Good Wife episode, you would have had this whole episode being like, you know, justice for Kenya. And then the defense pulls out dun, dun, dun. The tape of Kenya doing the gun thing. And I think any reasonable TV jury would be like, well, then Kenya's fucked. You know, like, Kenya just sunk her case. So I almost felt for Kenya when that all came out. So, you know, anyway, I'm just saying that to kind of update you with my personal feelings on what's been going on. I'm like, what the hell? Now, after I watched this episode, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. Kenya's fact.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I mean, last week, we were all just like, God, Brit is so annoying, and she's so awful. And that has not changed. That has completely not changed whatsoever. But it's just. It's sad seeing. Seeing this as Kenya's final episode because, you know, she. Kenya's so good at destroying people. And this was. This was just such an. Well, it was first of all terrible. It really was terrible. And, like, I was imagining, like, if. If Brit had actually been there and seen this, that's, like. It's actually, like, deeply humiliating. And there's not. And it should. And it's like, wow. You put up a picture of her sucking a dick. Like, as if you haven't sucked a dick. She just has it. There's just a picture of her. And every. I don't know. I just was like. It was really cruel. It was. It. It. It went from shady and being, like, villainous to just, like, cruelty in a way that. That was really unfortunate. And it just. I just feel like Kenya's so much better than that. She doesn't have to resort to us.

[Ronnie Karam]

She.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, better at, like, being evil to someone, you know, and, like, knowing how to do it where she makes great tv. And this was just her being really actually, like, a deplorable human.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And bringing her daughter up. The whole time, like, she's trying to take food out of my daughter's mouth. I was like, really? You're gonna. You're gonna bring up your daughter while you're sewing, like, blowjob pictures to your crowd at the business that's supposed to take care of your daughter? I mean, we'll get there as the episode goes along, but damn. Not looking good, Kenya. Okay, so we open this episode, season 16, episode 5, about last night, over at Shamia's house. And Angela. Angela, who also has a, like, let's not understate Angela's crazy ass storyline either. This ep. Look. What the fuck? This episode is crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

This whole episode is nuts.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we open with Angela coming over to Shamia's house. And Shamia's like, you know, I'm so glad you came, Angela. I just. I just wanted to really apologize for making fun of your physical appearance. And Angela's like, yeah, you too. You too. Let's not forget that I also made fun of your physical appearance. Okay, Flava. Yeah, so I got you, too.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Shamila's like, you know, the bank event with Angela, you know, it started Out. I mean, phenomenal. And, you know, I fit in my olive branch. And she accepted and was like, we're off the races. Until we weren't. And one of the horses got tranquilized and then. Which I think is a reference to Brit and Kenya's fight erupting. So then Britney shows up, Britt shows up at Shamia's, and. And Shamia's just saying how like, she thought initially Brit was playing. And then she goes, oh, wait, no, Brit is actually really mad right now at Kenya. And so now basically she's invited Brit over because she wants to get. And like, what was going on with Brit that night?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because Shamia, don't forget, is the glue of this group. She is the self proclaimed. Speaking of horses, she is the self proclaimed glue of the group. So she's gonna make everything okay. So the girls come over and Britt immediately is like, oh, my God, you.

[Angela]

Guys, I just acted a fool last night. I mean, I do not know what is wrong with me. Let's all sit on the floor.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is how uncomfortable that couch is. Okay, Sumia, you have so much money. I know that couch is gorgeous, but get a couch. People can sit. Because that shit people roll right off of. They would rather sit on the floor to eat your chips than sit on that couch.

[Ben Mandelker]

They both were down there on the floor. And yeah, Britt's like, yeah, I haven't.

[Angela]

Even really gone to sleep yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

And just like, neither have I. And they're like, wait, why didn't you go to sleep, Angela? She's like, well, you know, I just had all that backlash and like. But what backlash did you get? She was like, well, the owners of the venue. I guess the owners were really mad that the this, like, fake bank experience was. Was sullied on tv. I'm like, you should not be mad. You should be so happy. This has actually immortalized your stupid venue.

[Ronnie Karam]

You should actually be paying the cast to make your bank that memorable. Give me a break, okay? Bank? Yeah, get over a bank. Also, I'm sick of your fees.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, General Banks, your hours.

[Ronnie Karam]

These bastards. My overdraft fees. Fuck off with that. So Angela's like, oh, yeah, the bank is so mad at me. And so Britt's just saying, oh, I need to apologize. Who am I gonna apologize to? And Shamia's like, well, okay, look, I know Kenya cut you off and that wasn't great.

[Angela]

And she goes, yeah, I hate that. You know, it's the same thing that happened to my nose. So with Kenya at that table, you know, I had the paper, and I talked, and she cut me off the entire time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Brit, you were acting like an idiot, and nobody did anything to you, and Kenya never did anything to you. Like, in the whole history of the show, watching what Kenya has done, what she did to you was nothing. She wasn't even being mean to you about your wedding ring. She was trying to figure out what the you were talking about with your wedding ring. Like, all of us were, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And really, the best that the producers could do to come up with evidence of Kenya cutting her off was not really even a cutoff. It sounded like Brit came to a period, and Kenya responded and was like, okay, you want to have a moment? But it was not, like, a blatant talking over and, like, I'm going to shut you down or whatever. And it was just like. Like you said, Kenya has done so much worse. And the fact that you are so, like, upset by this. Her response to you being bratty is ridiculous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Britt's like, well, we are talking about me, okay? And, you know. Okay. And I get that it would be sensitive because Kenya called her a peasant, and her husband won't buy her, you know, mar countertops, which is difficult to hear. So, I mean, I get that, but she's too much. She's trying too hard.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kenya only called her a peasant after Brit kept on yapping away at her. And finally, Kenya's like. Because Kenya was like, okay, you want to have a moment? You can have a moment. You're having your moment.

[Angela]

I'm not having a moment whatsoever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Even though it was, like, blatantly a moment. And then finally, Kenya's like, you know what? You know, queens don't talk to peasants. And, like, it wasn't like she just pulled that out of nowhere. It was built up to it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. It's not like she knew that your husband wouldn't buy you nice finishes. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

She had no idea. She didn't know. Perfectly nice countertops.

[Ronnie Karam]

She didn't know. Oh, also, speaking of apologies, I know this show's not airing right now, but I wish that they could bring on Ashley to apologize to Roberta Flack. Did you see that whole thing?

[Ben Mandelker]

I saw that she sang Killing his awfully on the local news.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, no. So Ashley. Oh, no. So Ashley's like, I'd like to dedicate this to Roberta Flack. And it was just universally panned. I mean, I think even Russia was like, whoa. No, please. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cut.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cut. Gong, gong. We gong it, please. No, it was bad.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to I have to say I doff my cap. To whoever had the idea to have Ashley on that on their local news because they knew it was going to be a disaster and knew the clip would go around and get exposure for the news team. So well done. Your ploy worked.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Hey, that's how to take it bank look at Fox 5 News, okay. That's how to take bad news. Fox 5's like yes ratings. So then Ashley went to like some jazz bar because now she has like a jazz band. I guess I'm not really sure what she's doing. So she was at some point happens.

[Ben Mandelker]

When you put Ashley in a hotel with Luann is that she comes out with these ideas that she can also start to sing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, the birds, birds flock together, you know, these ones flock to the tune of very off key songs. So Ashley went to this jazz band and she's like, well you know guys, I mean I. I'm not gonna blame anybody for that. I'm not gonna blame anybody, you know, except the musicians in the mall and you know, Fox 5. But you know, it wasn't me. And to prove that I can sing this song, I'm gonna do it now, boys. And the, you know, they're great musicians. They all start playing and say I was. No, why are you doing it again? Why don't you just bring Roberta Flack up and just start kicking her over and over again. Leave her alone. Let her rest. Ashley, for fuck's sake, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's called killing us softly with the song, not killing us intensely and repeatedly with your song, which is what you're literally doing. Let's make it soft. So soft we can't even hear it. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Don't kill me with a migraine girl. So she. That was rough. So she owes everybody an apology. Okay, so back to this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, no, we're not. We can't go back to the show. I'm sorry. And the reason why is because I made the mistake of invoking Countess Luanda Seps. And we have a week until the next crappy hour, so it's probably get forgotten. But has made her acting debut on the Murdoch Mysteries where she's playing some sort of like, I don't know, she's. It's on her social media everywhere. She's like in a fur and a little hat. It's like a period piece and there was like a clip up. Did you see the clip of her in this show?

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, hello, I am schmountus muan blah blah. And it's Pleasure to meet you, detective. It is so hilariously bad. It's like there's just nothing she can't do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who got killed? She's playing the bongos. I'm gonna solve this mystery with bongo playing. Hit it, boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hit it, boys. You're about to hear a real deal mystery. Here's a clip of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't hear it. Is it playing? I don't hear it. Ben. I don't hear it. He can't see me. He's listening to this clip.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you guys didn't hear it?

[Ronnie Karam]

No. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys. That's so sad. Fail, clip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Fail. Okay, but also, why also. While you figure that out, this is not the Countess's acting debut. How dare you. Have you forgotten about Law and Order?

[Ben Mandelker]

I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I've really failed the dual fail. I discredit her IMDb and you guys didn't hear this amazing clip where she goes, nice to meet you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's. That's Lou taking all sweeping the acting awards for the year. Okay, so they're back to talking about Britney Apollo apologizing. And Angela's like, you know, I was taking Brit's side. I mean, like, Brit feels this way. Britt told me I didn't like the way Kenya made me feel.

[Angela]

And she's like, but it's not just my feeling, you know, like, the energy's off with Kenya, with me, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we see Angela and Britt hiking, and Brit saying all this stuff, and she's saying, you know, I just felt provoked. And I don't want anybody to think I was trying to intimidate Kenya, you.

[Angela]

Know, because I would never in any form, shape anything would want her to feel that I would want her to harm her, period. I have no problem telling her that I'm gonna apologize.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Britt has obviously been pulled over by producers and were like, yeah, you can't threaten people with guns. Make it right or you're out. And so she is gonna now have to apologize.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. And so she does the mature thing, which is reach out to Kenya and say, can we have a one on one time to clear it up? Because I feel really bad about what happened. Just kidding. She never does that. She brings flowers to a party.

[Angela]

So Brit's like, you know, I do have two older sisters, and we get into it, you know, and sharing stuff. I just like their family and I love them. And, like, we can be fiery, but then, like, we love each other. So because of you guys, I'm like, gonna make a very conscious effort to take it back a notch. I'm gonna be better.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it definitely spoke of. She got a slap on the wrist from Bravo, and now she has marching orders to be better.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Angela's like, well, you know us. Family's family. And family's the most important thing. Yeah, family's the most important thing. Yeah. Family, family. Right. You both hate your families, so could we stop having little side scenes where you talk about how important family is? You both ate your families. Okay, I forgot the ages. Sounded like I said, you ate your family, but you hate your family, so stop. So now Angela's like, well, but what about Portia saying that she's heard some tea about Charles? Dun, dun, dun. So she's like, well, let's make it. I'm married to celebrity, so, you know, people are gonna say things about Charles. It's just how it is. My DMs are flooded, so it's not like I'm gonna rock that boat, you know? I mean, what do you. Who hasn't slept with Charles? Am I right?

[Angela]

And Britt's like, well, somebody might get slapped if somebody talks about my husband that way.

[Ben Mandelker]

If he did something like, I guarantee you, no one is gonna talk about your husband the way they would talk about Charles Oakley.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Shamia's like, what do you. Yeah, yeah. No one's gonna brag about sleeping with your husband. Yeah, the guy who acts like he has a toothp mouth at all times.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I just don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I agree. And shimmy is like, you're supposed to be apologizing for threatening violence. Not threatening, more violence. And so they all laugh like, oh, my God. Britches can't help threatening violence. It's hilarious.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Portia shows up at Kenya's hair spa. And Kenya's like, security let you in. And then they're just talking about, like, portia's wearing yellow.

[Angela]

She's like, I practice sunshine, honey.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then there's like, oh, it's been a crazy day. And Ken is like, it's been a crazy couple of days. You know, I just want to judge up the grand opening. I'm just like, you know, I just want to see a couple of girls, you know, that want to be part of it, want to model, because this is gonna be her big moment where she's gonna be able to promote her hair spa. And what better way to promote it than by showing a guest having a giving a blow job on poster board?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Portia's like okay, you know I can still judge the real edges even.

[Angela]

Though you know I do go naked. But still I know a good edge.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Angela]

So happy where we are.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, I heard that before. So now Kelly arrives, too, and she's still too much. Cause she still knew. So she's like, oh, my God, everyone, hi. Oh, so good to be here as a business owner. So good to be here. Businesses girl. Am I right?

[Angela]

Hey, do you do waffles hair?

[Ben Mandelker]

I have wobbles. I left my security guard outside this time. It's really just a stack of waffles, but it's a very intimidating stack.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are covered in syrup. So if anybody tries anything with me, they're gonna be moving slowly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they will be caught. They will be caught in the log cabin. I literally put at a log cabin out there. So. So they're just, like, laughing about all these security guards. And Kelly's like, you know, I hate what happened with her and Brit, but I like Kenya. So we are here to support and make sure that she gets what it is that she needs in regard to her grand opening. And I'm hoping that what she needs is waffles, because that's really all I can offer. People want waffles at hair openings, right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So now they're going to. You know, she's saying, oh, you're such a good hostess, Kenya. And Kenya's like, oh, I haven't always been told that. And then we see a flashback to 2021, when Marlo's coming at her for not providing food for her guests. Dun, dun, dun. Which was true. That was some hosting and then ordering herself some doordash.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that was really bad. That was actually the worst thing, I think, that Kenya ever did.

[Ronnie Karam]

That was one of Kenya's worst seasons. And then slut shamed everybody about Bolo late. Her. You know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That was when Kenya was really doing her. Like, was that her victory lap season where she's like, I'm married. Well, she was definitely. That's. I mean, what. The moment she married Mark is when she definitely became very prim and proper. And that was the decline of Kenya. But that was definitely a low point that season for her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Even more so. They do a model walk off, and they're like, twirl. Give us twirl. Kenya, more hair spa. So they're auditioning models. I'm not really sure Because I don't think any of the models actually get their hair done at this place. They just put on a bunch of wigs and then. Yeah, am I. Am I reading that wrong?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think you're correct. I think that they just, like, any chance to, like, do model auditions on this show. And just in general on Bravo, if they can do that, it'll be, you know, they will. They will work in a model audition. So that's what they're doing because it's an excuse to. For people to sit around and pass judgment about normies. And so they do that. So they are all modeling. Yeah, but you're right, because they are going to wind up putting on these, like, fantastic wigs, and it has nothing to do with their hair. I guess they just have to. And they all have to walk slowly because they're wigs. So, like, whatever, like Runway walking they're going to do now, they're not really going to be able to do in their wig.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yeah, it was a good drag show. I mean, they did do, like, a good kind of drag show, but. But I don't know. I think those girls do their own wigs. Drag queens, right? Isn't that part of their thing?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't think they were drag queens, but it was definitely.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I just mean, like, it was.

[Ben Mandelker]

That kind of show.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know what I mean? Like, it was, like a very drag inspired show. Yeah, of course, drag is inspired by women in the first place. So I don't know which came first.

[Ben Mandelker]

The chicken or the horse with those wig shows. I don't know if it's, like, one person doing the wig or if it's, like, multiple people that are doing, like, a wig competition.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's a bald. I just, like, it's so weird to me, you know, I'm like, wow, look at all of you celebrating your dead skin cells hanging out all over your head. Congratulations.

[Ben Mandelker]

As someone who often walks around his kitchen with a bottle of alcohol on his head, I have to say that watching this fashion show, I was like, wow, I didn't know I could use hair to brace that. It would have been much easier.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're asking her, invited Britt to her thing. She's like, well, I didn't specifically invite her. And they're like, but you didn't uninvite her? And she says no. And so they're like, so what even happened the other day? And Kenya says, well, you know, we're talking about my big vagina.

[Angela]

I thought it was so fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then it all went Bad. And so they're like, yeah, you know, And Portia's sticking up for Kenya. She's like, yeah, you know, it took a left turn. Kenya had disengaged. Okay, that's nothing for Kenya. Yeah. And then when she says that she has a pistol, you know, no, we have to find out exactly what was said. And Kenya's like, well, I know what I heard. And Kelly didn't hear it. And Kenya, look, the girl did say she had a pistol, and she had a chain. I'm not going to stick up for that, because she never should have said that. She did not say, I have a pistol and I'm going to kill that bitch or anything like that. But I think even saying, like, in anger, you know, I have a pistol. Okay, but how overreacting are we gonna get? You know, I think I'm walking it back a little just because I've seen the end of this episode. So I'm like.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, look, my reaction. I feel like I'm of the two minds, which is. And I said this last week, like, technically, she didn't say, I'm. I. She wasn't like, I have a pistol on me, and I'm gonna use it. You better watch out, because I've got a pistol. So she technically didn't do that, but she did say, I've got whips and pistols. Like, why is she. Don't come for me. I've got whips and pistols. So there isn't a very strong implication, which is very unsettling. And I think that basically, Brit is an idiot for saying that and trashy, and it's wrong to do that. Kenya is definitely, though, doing the Kenya thing, where she is now, like, oh, I'm gonna take that. And I am going to. Like, I found a weakness, and I'm going to exploit that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I guess with the evidence presented of Kenya also doing this in season six. Now, granted, that was a long time ago. This is season 16, so that was 10 seasons ago. Things were different then. You know, back when we could threaten people with guns. God, don't you miss those days?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. All the fun days.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I live in Texas, so I still live in those days, I guess. You know, how about soliciting the bullet, motherfucker?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Kenya's like, I'm not. I'm not gonna play right now. I'm. You know, what I'm not gonna do is the lies and the gaslighting, all that stuff. I have too much to lose, which is why I plan to lose it all by the end of the episode.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she's like, that was just such a level of disrespect, you know, the level of angst and aggressive nature of how she was speaking, which, I mean, I agree with that part. So Kelly's like, but she's not that person, guys. She's not that person. Well, she is, is. She is that person, because that was her. So unless you're saying she was on some kind of pills or something, she was that person. So don't say she's not that person. Just say, let's help her be a better person. Guys, this is housewives. Let's lift each other up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Kenya's like, you. Well, I. You can't just tell me who she is. Like, I have to see it, you know, and she can show me from afar. And Kelly's like, no, what I was saying is I've just never seen her act in that manner. That's just not who she. I've just never seen that. I. I think you guys should talk now. To be fair, every time I have hung out with Britt, I've been mainly focused on the waffle I brought with me as well. So maybe I've been distracted. I just didn't see that side of her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, and also, you did see it. You did see her act like that that night when everybody else saw it, and everybody saw it on the TV as well. So don't. You haven't seen.

[Ben Mandelker]

You just meet her. Also, like, these are these actual friends from pre show, or. I feel like they just met, like, three episodes ago.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but they're noobs, so they're trying to stick together. So then Portia's like, well, you know, maybe Kenya should do her due diligence and speak to other people who were there and see. And I guess Portia's trying to see, like, did. Did Ken, was Kenya really threatened with a gun? Because Portia, I guess, didn't hear this, so she's just heard it from Kenya. So I love that she's saying right in front of Kenya, like, should we get some proof of what this girl even said? And Kenya's like, oh, I'll do my due diligence. I'm running a background check.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then, yeah, Portia's basically like, yeah, you may need to uninvite. And Kenny's like, I'm twirling on my haters one last twirl for old time's sake. So now we go to a. A scene that's pretty wacky, which is that's Angela and her daughter Amari. I tried to. I tried to see if I could do Angela's voice. And I sat there, and I was talking back to my tv. I cannot get Angela's bubble. Her. Her throat bubble, right? And it makes me very upset. And part of me is like, am I just gonna talk, like, count as the way I want to do her? Because I was like. I was like, hello, Bori. And I just sounded ridiculous. And she's gonna be my. She's gonna be my whale, I think, Because I don't think I. Like, she's one of those voices that I. I can't. I can't get right at all. What's. Not that I get anyone's voice right, but I can't even approach with her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I was gonna say I don't really try to get anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not like I have a lot of access to.

[Ronnie Karam]

This is not a show people come to for me to get things right. It's not a hill I even want to climb, let alone die on.

[Ben Mandelker]

More so than usual. I was sitting there going like this. It just was, like, funny, because I was. The void, the sounds coming out of my mouth. I was like. I'm like, no, that's not her at all.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I have a kind of a. You know, my daughter Amari, you know, my oldest. I can't really do it either. So she talks about how Amari lost her father to murder in Chicago when she was just a little kid, 7 years old. And so she's been a single mom for a long time, so they've just become best friends, as we'll see in this very scene. So, so close. Amar is, like, really into coffee, so she's gonna have her own coffee shop. And her mom doesn't understand the difference between coffees. She's like, just make it out of a Keurig. And Amari's like, mother, so they're having.

[Ben Mandelker]

One of us Peruvian coffee. Yeah. She's like, mom, Peruvian coffee is the best coffee. Just like, I. I don't know. I can't even go close the coffee machine because Charles is always in the kitchen cooking food for 40 people that aren't at our house.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your father calls the Keurig fingerprint magnet that I'm not allowed to use, so I wouldn't really know.

[Ben Mandelker]

He hates it so much, he calls it mom. So. So basically, Angela is saying that she can't tell the difference between Peruvian coffee and other coffees. And Amar is like, okay, well, blink twice. Forget about the coffee. Okay? I really want to get to the nitty gritty of it all and understand why isn't grandma here? She was supposed to meet us, and I thought we were gonna have, like, a little moment where we can really put our matters to the table. And I could shame you in front of grandma for not understanding what Peruvian coffee is.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so Angela's like, well, you know, I got a call from your grandma saying you need to talk to your daughter. So what happened? And she goes, what happened? Okay, now listen to this story. So I went to grandma to use the car that you provided for her, thinking it would be no problem. Excuse me? You showed up at your grandma's house and said, I'm taking your car. My mom bought this car anyway. No, speaking in your grandmother's defense already, just from your first line. Your mother buying that car for your grandmother does not make that your car, ma'am. You still need to ask permission.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

To use somebody's car. So already I'm not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I will grant you that. In fact, I'm. I'm saying that as if I'm not going to grant you something in the future. I think I'm granting all your points that you'll be giving in the scene. I'm. I'm gonna say yes. I co. Sign. I also, by the way, that being said, I loved the. The shadows of Monica Garcia in this fight too. Talking about that. That Land Rover that became like, the emblem of, like, depending on what her relationship with her mother was, is where the Land Rover would be.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. When Monica's mom was like, okay, you want to call me a bad mother and shame me on tv? Then you don't get the car I pay for.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye. So Amari, like, even, by the way, even if the car was not even given to grandma, even if Angela had just bought the car, it's still not Amari's car to take. Yeah, it's still not Amari's car.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she went over, said she wants the car. The grandma said, no. And then she says, but then they wanted money from me. And your sister got in my face and called me a demon. And she told everybody in the house, fuck them all. Because I wanted to use a car that wasn't hers. It wasn't even my sister's. It wasn't even yours either, ma'am. So she's like, well, you know how much I help them. And you help them too. And so Angela gets all teary eyed and she's like, nobody told me that. You should have told me that.

[Ben Mandelker]

You never told me anyone got in Your face.

[Ronnie Karam]

None of this makes sense to me, I have to say. I don't understand someone getting in your face. I don't understand. Did you ask nicely for the car? Did you just show up and demand the car? What happened?

[Ben Mandelker]

Did you take their money to start a Peruvian coffee company? Is that the real story here?

[Ronnie Karam]

I was gonna sell that car to invest in some Peruvian beans.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Amara's like, I just never expected that from her because I literally help them with their bills. I help them with whatever they need, and I'm there. For every beck and call, I'm there. And so are you. So are you. So Angela explains that Amari lives in a house that Angela bought. So Angela bought a house for her mother and her sister, and Amari would live there, too. She goes, well, it's always the goal of a child to purchase a home for, you know, their parent. And I was just happy to do that. And it just. It blew up, and things went left, and Amari moved out. So I'm already confused why there's a house that has, like, the grandma, the aunt, and the granddaughter in it. And, like, why isn't there, like, an apartment for Amari, by the way? Why is Amari in the house? Just as long as you're buying places. Get her. Get her. Or have Amari just pay for her own damn apartment.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why isn't Omari living with the mom? Why is she living with the grandma?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why is she not living with.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't understand that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Does she not like Charles? Does Charles? I mean, Charles did not seem to really enjoy Amari because, remember, he was like. He was like. What was it that he was cracking down on her about? It was something about, like, the corn. He was making corn.

[Ronnie Karam]

He was cleaning the kitchen. He was cleaning the kitchen. And he said, why didn't you clean the kitchen last night? She's like, I did. And he's like, no, you didn't. She's like, yeah, I did. Well, sorry if it wasn't clean enough for you. So, yeah, it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

To be fair, he has very rigid standards about that kitchen. Because later on, bark at. Bark at Angela about not washing her hands. And she washed her hands 11 seconds earlier. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then there. That answers the question why she wasn't living with that. It's probably making her crazy. And she's like, I can't buy everyone a house, so for now, go live with your grandma. And then that turned into a big fight, and so she ended up moving out. So Angela's like, the fact that my mother didn't defend you. Breaks my heart. It just breaks my heart. And she's like. And they didn't even tell you the full story. It just sucks.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't believe someone would withhold valuable information from you. My sweet mother, could you imagine something important happens and they don't even tell you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mother, after you've done so much for all of us in this family, how could anyone hold anything from you? You shouldn't be supporting her. You shouldn't support any of them. So then she's like, but you got married.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angel's like, yeah. Just like, look. But Angel's like, look, it's my mom. My mom needs me. It turns out her mom has bipolar disorder, and so she's always gonna take care of her. And then she tells the story about how her mom, she was eight when her mom was diagnosed, but now her mom is self proclaimed healed, which I thought she was gonna say. So now there's more drama than ever been said. She goes, but I applaud that because she was using it as a crutch before. I was like, I don't know, if you're allowed to self diagnose heal from bipolar disorder, maybe that might be something you want. Might want to circle back to, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure how to check in on that. So then she's like, well, you know, my Amari is saying that her grandma was always a good grandma, and she's a good. And I love her, but in this situation, she's wrong. So she's like, okay, well, you know, I want to protect you, but, you know. And she goes, yeah, I'm 24. And she goes, but then you snuck off and got married. And she's like, well, so. And then we find out that Inari's. Inari. Amari, what is wrong with me? I'm reading things wrong. My dyslexia is coming. My self imposed dyslexia is coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. But Amari, after you had just announced yourself cured. I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, am I cured from bipolar disorder? I'm like, trying to, like, think, what I've cured myself.

[Ben Mandelker]

So I will say this. I one thing I've been trying to cure myself of, that I've not been able to all my life. Waffles. It's hard.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's gonna be hard this season, that's for sure. Because they're talked about a lot. So basically Angela's like, yeah. And then I find out that Amari got married. And that just rocked me to my core. Me and my best friend. So she's like, why wouldn't you tell me, baby? Why?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

And she goes, tell you what? She goes, that you got married. And she goes, I just did. She goes. Right now when I'm asking you, she's like, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Amari's like, very. Like, whatever, mother. And Angela's saying how it was, like, really hurtful. She's like, she's my best friend, and for her to not want to know me, for me to not want to not want me to know, it's just, like, really hard. And so Amari's like, well, how did you find. How did you find out? Because you never told me. She goes, well, I found out through your grandmother. So basically, the grandma threw Amari under the bus.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you wouldn't be under the bus. You should be on the bus instead of trying to steal your grandma's car. And what do you think is going to happen when you're. When you're fighting with your grandma and getting in her and her. Her. Her daughter's face? Like, what do you think? They don't owe you anything if you're going to be acting like that. Why am I mad at Amari, by the way? I even know these people. But here's why I'm mad at Amari. You don't tell your mom that you got married, and then you're showing up at someone's house trying to get their car, and you didn't clean the kitchen. The evidence is starting to add up.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is starting. When you. When you say it that way, the evidence is adding up. And honestly, like, you're asking your grandma to hold a secret for you, but then you're also going to assass your grandma.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's dangerous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

You should know better. We've seen a lot of soap operas.

[Ronnie Karam]

No sass. No. No sass.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, we know sass that we saw Madeline still on revenge. And if you want to come for her, guess what she's gonna do? She will. She will sit in that chair with the writing on it, and she will destroy you with one wonky eye.

[Ronnie Karam]

She'll do it. One eye twitching like this. One eye open. She'll do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

If you've got. If you've got stuff that you're hiding, don't fight with the person who's hiding it for you. You. Because it's always gonna backfire.

[Ronnie Karam]

Always. So she's like, I didn't even find out to you. Or four months married. And she's like, well, I was planning on telling you. She goes, wayne. And she's like, when I needed you to sign a, you know, a car lease for us, she's like, damn you.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, you know, for you to act like that, I shouldn't be hurt. Like, for you to act like that, I should get over it. And she's like, well, I'm not saying you shouldn't be hurt. You just have to be so stupid about it. God, you're annoying. And just, like, this is just, like, that's how you're acting in this moment. Like, you're right to, like, get over it. And Mars, like, everyone's making it a much bigger deal than I am. Like, nothing's changed. Like, well, if it's not that big of a deal, how do you not tell your mom, by the way, I got married. There's someone else in the family.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then Amari loses even more with me because then she starts crying, and she's like, it's a gang up on Amari Day. Oh, now you're gonna cry and say, we're all ganging up on you? Ma'am, you got married and didn't tell your mom. Okay, and also, who'd you get married to? Is this a someone that your mom doesn't like? It's a man? Is it a woman? Is there controversy? Why were you hiding it? I'm like, I need more than just, I got married in secret and tried to steal my grandma's car. Like, I need details.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Yeah. I. I think that there's. I think this is not going to be the last time we hear of Amari getting up to some stuff. Stuff. I think we're gonna find out that she, like, it's gonna be stupid stuff. It's gonna be like, she said she took the garbage out, but she actually only brought it to the garage. And so then it was in the garage, and no one realized. And then they got rats. It's gonna be something like that and be like, amari, why? She's like, well, I was gonna tell you that the garbage was in the garage. I just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because, you know, Charles. You know, Charles has ring cam footage of everything. So I'm hoping Charles has, like, some big expose. And he's like, oh, really? She cleaned the kitchen. Let me show you her cleaning the kitchen. She was eating my broth Brussels sprouts in the middle of the kitchen with no paper towel. So she tries the crying thing, and it works. So Angela starts crying, too. And they're like, oh, I promise to love You. No, but I promise to love you, too. And then I'm just left with questions. The scene's over, and I'm like, what the hell just happened?

[Ben Mandelker]

I just think there's a lot of dysfunctional family stuff happening with these new people, and I'm all about it. I love it. Because, honestly, the cast members that come on with functional families is incredibly boring. Like, let's not act like, we all are so thrilled when Shamia gets together with her family. And she's like, my sister has always been there for me. Like, if it weren't for my sister, she. She. She takes care of the kids when I had to go to lunch. She takes care of the kids when I went to see a movie. And then you see the sister being like, I took care of the kids because we're a family. And then, look, here's my mom. And mom has it down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mom just made, like, fast forwarding.

[Ben Mandelker]

Made a cheese plate. It's like, who cares? Years. Yeah, tell me. Tell me that mom got into a fight with the sister because of someone tried to take the car. That's way more.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's what I need to know. Yeah, I agree. I don't think that they should not be up. I'm just filled with questions, mystery.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is good.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't need to dwell. I don't need to dwell on the families that seem to actually have healthy relationships.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Commercials. Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so then we go to lunchtime with Portia and Brit. So now they're talking about all the Kenya stuff. And Brit does her whole.

[Angela]

I just took it too far. There's no excuse for my actions. So I can only breathe out of my mouth, and sometimes that makes my brain feel a little bit dizzy. But still, it's no excuse. Excuse.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. To whichever intern had to write the bullet points for Brit to repeat over and over again this episode. They had it on, like, a little card.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's really laying it on.

[Angela]

Fix.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Porsche's like, yeah, well, it was.

[Angela]

A shock to me that you had a beef with her because, like, when I met you guys, like, you guys were all just, like, sitting together. Chamia's house. Exactly. And there's no excuse. I thought we were cool. And I felt like, you know, when she's around the group, she wants to kind of, like, put. Put on a little bit. So I think that's the tone. It started off like, I, you know, oh, where your. Where's your wedding, man? But hashtag, there's no excuse.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought she was making, like, light, fun conversation with you because you're confusing as. You're like, well, this is my ring, but it's not my wedding ring. It's my anniversary ring. So she said, so where's your other ring? And you're like, what do you mean, my other ring? She's like, well, where's your other ring? If it was the se. She's. Is it another man that you're talking about? She's like, no, I'm talking about this man, honey. This ring. She's. Oh, okay. So. So it's like a year anniversary from getting another ring. What is so horrible about that? I didn't get it. So she's still like, well, she was just coming for me and. No, you just needed to try and go after the big dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

You failed. Kenya was coming lightly, but it was light. It was. She was shady, being shaded. Shaded, but that. In many ways, that is actually Kenya's love language. She's saying, I'm inviting you to have a storyline with me. And Brit should have been like, Brit, like someone who's more self possessed or someone who. Who is good at this would be like, oh, she wants. She wants to be shaded with me. I will shade her right back. But instead, she's like, I can't believe she would say that. I can't believe she'd do that. And she's coming after me. And why. Why can't you speak to Brit politely, you know, when you're in a group setting? So she gets all flustered, which means that Kenya got 100 right under her skin. And she should have just been able to shade Kenya right back.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she should have just been like, oh, yeah, show me your ring. I want to see your ring.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's really pretty.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so. It's just right there. Not like a man. Let me call my husband. Let me call my husband. You say, oh, where's your ring?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, where's your ring? Oh, I'm sorry. Did your husband take it back and cash it in to try and pay all that rent that he's back on since his place is getting. He's getting evicted out of his place. How's that going? That must be so hard on you.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's all. That's all you have to do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

So anyway, Portia is like, yeah, well, everybody who witnessed the exchange was like, was. Kenya was, like, being pretty chill.

[Angela]

Brit's like, well, she was being dispensive and she was being nasty, and I feel like she was just Targeting me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, lady, you're on the Real Housewives of Atlanta. I don't know what you expect, and I don't know if you think it's going to get any better, but this is what you signed up for.

[Ronnie Karam]

This girl hates being dismissed. That's probably why she was out doing M music videos all the time instead of going to high school. She just got sick of hearing people say, you're dismissed.

[Angela]

How dare you. I put a premium. I'm not being dismissed.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Portia's like, you know, there's all these preconceived notions of Kenya because she's Kenya, and she can be a monster. And then we see clips of Portia and Kenya getting into it over the years, and now we're back to present, and Portia's like, yeah, you know, she.

[Angela]

Was ready to go toe to toe, but she didn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Portia's like, she was ready to go to toe to toe with Kenya, but she didn't realize she was meeting a different Kenya who doesn't give a damn at this moment. So Portia's like, you know, the back and forth wasn't that big an issue at the table. I don't get it. But then you said something about a pistol. Like, well, we were heading to take her home, you know, and we were like, are you sure she said that? And she said she heard it with her own ears. And Britt's like, okay, so let me tell you what happened.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, yeah, you. Yeah, tell me.

[Angela]

And she's, well, okay, so she was afraid. Okay, I was triggered by everything she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Was going that was going, no pun intended. Like, maybe now's not the best time to be pulling out. Triggered as a defense.

[Angela]

I was like, I was like, I don't want. Like, I was gonna take my shot. And, you know, things just popped off. I just wanted to put a cap on the evening, you know? Hold on. I have a few bullet points to go over. She wanted to talk, and I said, go ahead, shoot. Sorry. I, I, I have a lot of ammo here that I really want to get through. So I was rifling through my purse, and I saw, could you pass the cheese? I love it when it's warm and melty and Uzi. Before I could even talk where she gunned those engines. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

So my mental Inside my brain, I'm like, what guns are left?

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, look at that Baby.

[Angela]

Colt running on the street.

[Ronnie Karam]

So I went home and watched Beretta. So Britney's like, yeah, you know, she Was afraid, and I was just triggered, you know, and she literally does go. I was triggered by everything that was going on in that moment. And I just popped off with Kenya like, oh, my God, Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

You were triggered by the stuff started. You. You trait. You pulled that. You literally pulled the trigger on this. Just so you know, you're the one who was assassin off. And did you expect Kenya just be like, oh, my God, I am so sorry, Brit. I'm so sorry that I've been speaking rudely to you. Do you think anymore is going to say that? No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And also, I wish they had shown the clip of Portia coming in and not hugging most of them, you know, because Britt's whole thing was like, oh, you don't even hug me.

[Angela]

Just give me a pant.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she was trying too hard. And Portia's like, well, you know, like.

[Angela]

Maybe that was a heated moment. Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, like, I had a heated moment at Shamia's house, and we got into the elevator, and, you know, I'm like, I wish I had my pistol. I mean, what do you think I want it for? Oh. So she was saying, what if I had done that? What if when I was heated, I said, I wish I had my pistol? And so Britt's like, well, okay, you're right. That wasn't the time for me to talk about a pistol.

[Angela]

And I take full accountability. I'm sorry at no given moment was, like, ever gonna do anything to hurt Kenya. But I do regret the whole situation, and I feel terr terrible about it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Oh, shoot. So Britney's like, you know, I can 100% apologize. You know, whatever. Like, I don't want to give her any more ammo. I just want to, like, show up and just put this thing to sleep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like the producers told me to. And, yeah, so.

[Angela]

And Portia's like, everyone deserves to be heard. Unless you're Drew Sedora in many different ways on that front.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Britt is like, yeah, I.

[Angela]

Was wrong, and I stand well done with the flag.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's fully doing the. Like, she's doing her. Her. Everything that produces a basement. Like, you have to get on that camera, and you better. You better wave that white flag. So now we're at Angela and Charles's, and Charles is cooking just mass amounts of chicken.

[Ronnie Karam]

Buckets of chicken. Literal buckets of chicken. Who is this man eating? Who is he feeding? I mean, I know all people eat a lot, but God damn, man, is.

[Ben Mandelker]

He cooking for the crew. Is that what. Is that? What's happening. He's like, well, the crew's gonna shoot, so, you know, maybe.

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe. Yeah, that's actually a good call. Maybe he is cooking for the.

[Ben Mandelker]

He might be one of those people that's. Yeah, he's just always cooking and, like, large amounts.

[Ronnie Karam]

And maybe that's why he's getting such a good edit, because, you know, they can take a husband like Charles and edit him many different ways. And so far they're like, oh, he's. He's a grouch, but he's a fun loving grouch who makes a lot of food. So maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe you're onto something. So she's redoing her bathroom because Angela cannot stop redoing things. She's doing five houses at it. Even her own damn bathroom. She's just taking a hammer to the walls. Like, what the fuck?

[Ben Mandelker]

Excuse me. That's Amari's bathroom because her mother paid for it, so it belongs.

[Ronnie Karam]

Amari's like, get out of my bathroom, mother. She drives in. She drives through the front door in her grandma's car. Knock down a wall for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's very irresponsible. Angela's getting ready, and so she calls Charles upstairs.

[Ronnie Karam]

And this is so funny. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I love how she called him. She's like, you know, getting her face ready to put on makeup. She goes, charles, Charles. Because, you know, Charles never listens. He just pretends he can't hear her.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's literally frying chicken, and she wants him to step away from, like, the boiling hot oil. I cooked some chicken last night on the grill, and I literally almost burned. Burned everything down. There was such a big fire. I do not. You could not pay me enough money to walk away from, like, chicken in, like, hot Bernie things. Because, like, I know the moment that I step away from bubbling oil, everything's going down smoke. It's a disaster. And he full on goes upstairs to the bathroom to have a whole scene while chicken is bubbling away and boiling hot oil. I don't. It's terrifying.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but he's bold. Charles. Charles isn't a little afraid of making a chicken. Wait, so. And plus, he'9,000 other pieces that he can cook. Like, what's one? They'll just give it to the little kid, you know? So Charles comes in, she talks about going to this Kenya Moore hair thing, and does he want to come? And he's like, no, I've got hair, which I don't know what that even. I don't Know, I don't know how that really translates into an answer, but he's like, why would I go? Hair. I've already got hair. Okay, well, it's not a hair restoration company.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not. It's a. It's an opening. It's not. We're not going there to get surfaces. He's like, what, are going to give me a lineup? He's like, I've got one. She's like, no, just to support, you know? And he's like, well, why would I go just. Well, because you want to support me. He's like, well, you're aware that this is an all lady event. And also, I bought all the chicken in Costco, and that's gonna be at least three more hours of frying chicken for the next. I don't think I have time to get away.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, okay, well, I gotta tell you this, Charles. There was a moment that Portia had. You're gonna love this. She said, oh, I got some tea on Charles. And he goes, what is she, the Fed or something? Why do I love Charles so much? Please, Charles, don't turn out to be a monster, because I really like you so far.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's actually kind of fun because he does kind of have the vibe of someone who's been in, like, who's been famous for a long time, where he just doesn't care. So Angela's like, well, I think a lot of people feel like my husband is my soft spot. So in order to crack the egg, if you will, they want to throw a dagger at our marriage or whatever. So now you can speculate all the hell you want, but you better not say something about my husband, who's not my soft spot, but don't talk about him. It's like, is he. Is Will talking about Charles crack the egg or will it not crack the egg?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she. She does. She double speaks, right? Because she goes, now, you can speculate all you want, but you better not say anything about my husband. Which is it? She's like, you can talk about him all you want, but you better not talk about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's very Magali from Real Housewives of Cheshire, whose tagline was, you want to talk about Magali? You better not talk about Magali. That's a direct quote, one of the.

[Ronnie Karam]

All time best taglines. So Charles was like, she doesn't even know me. And she goes, well, I don't know what it was. And he goes, okay, well, tell her to stay in her own lane, because she's barking up the wrong tree. She goes, okay. And he goes, she better hit her brakes a couple of times. Okay, so is she barking up a tree or is she driving down the wrong lane?

[Ben Mandelker]

Like she's in a car barking. She's barking up a tree. And I was a little surprised I knew them said the oak tree because that is her tagline, right? And he is known as the oak. So Angela's like, well, let me all handle this, because I don't, I don't want to do it. He's like, yeah, you should have handled it when she said it. Yeah, well, I did. And she said it was a joke. He's like, no, say don't joke. She goes, well, yeah, yeah, we don't play like that. He was like, yeah, Google, Google on Google me twice. And what comes up? She's like, yeah, I love that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Google me twice. So he goes, do your job. And when you got her, let me know. She's like, okay. Okay, Charles. He does not care. He checks his timer. He's like, there's a chicken calling goodbye, you stupid plot line over with. Okay, bye. So he like, fix bathroom. God damn.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, great. And now I've just overcooked five of my 67 pieces of chicken that I'm going through today.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I'm telling you, that man did not overcook one piece of chicken. He had it time. I love that he whipped out his timer. He was like, okay, that's enough of you. You've taken 45 of my seconds. Goodbye.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that is actually the mark of someone who knows how to cook chicken. Like, I, I, I actually respect that so much when people, like, I was joking about, like, how, like, I'm scared to step away from, like, if I'm frying anything or grilling anything because it's dangerous. But it's also because, like, I don't have that, like, instinct that some people do. People who are good at that, they just, they can just step away. And then, you know, they just sort of like, oh, yeah, okay, it's done. And you just walk back. I'm like, how do you do that? It's amazing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he has his own little chicken time timer, which I like. Yeah, he's like, got his own special timer.

[Ben Mandelker]

God bless. So it's 24 seconds long.

[Ronnie Karam]

She comes down with him and she washes her hands. And then the little kid comes down and he's like, do you want some chicken to go? Some chicken? So he takes some chicken and then Angela reaches over and he's like, wash Your hands. And she's like, I did wash my hands. And then they do, like, a full rewind to show her washing her hands.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, anyway, there's still a lot going on with Alicia and my mama, so. So, you know, it's like, I just haven't. I still haven't talked to Alicia. He's like, all right, well, so I'm not talking to my sister. What's the difference?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, them? Who needs them?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, sisters. Am I right?

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, if I want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

If I want to talk to my. If I want to deal with sisters, I'll watch the NBC show that's now available on streaming at long last.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she. She tries again. She's like, okay, well, anyway, I'm gonna call my mother and my sister and goes, oh, my God, why do you keep bringing up your issues with me? Why do you see I'm making chicken? Like, how many issues are you going to bring up with me in one day? And she's like, we're married. You're who I talk to. And he's like. He goes, I ain't got no time to be taking your feelings in, begging to do this, to do that. I mean, just let it go and.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wash your hands while you're at it. Charles.

[Ronnie Karam]

Charles seems both like, the worst husband on the planet and also the best. Like, I think I need someone like that who's just like, your problems are stupid. Can we please stop talking about them and just eat? My God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. I love. I love that he's literally saying to his wife, why are you talking to me about your issues? Am I, like, some sort of, like, important person in your life right now?

[Ronnie Karam]

I guess if I was just reading this on paper, I'd be like, this guy's a fucking monster. You better run, Angela. I'm pulling my van up outside, jumping. But I don't know, there's something about how the way he says it that I'm like, he's so romantic tick. Like, maybe I could get married.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? I think it's. I think what you're. I think what you are responding to is that he kind of has a no nonsense, no nonsense, no thing going on. And probably when he says, why are you talking to me about your issues? It's his way of saying, like, I know all this. Why are you telling me about it again? Because she's obviously saying it because it has to be on camera. And he's like, don't tell me about. I've already heard this. I only Want to hear something once. I don't care if it's on camera or not. Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

I think how I'm taking it is like a. Just a no nonsense kind of like, don't sweat the small stuff kind of a person. He's like, oh my God, your sister's fighting with someone. I'm shocked. Wow. The Real Housewives are trying to cause drama and say I'm a cheater. Oh, like, am I supposed to be scared? I'm taking it like he just doesn't. He's. I take it as him not being mean to her. Him just being like, why are we worried about stupid shit? We're rich and we're happy. Can we just like, can we just chill and not worry about stupid petty stuff?

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. So Angela's saying that Charles relationship with his mom and sister is non existent because remember it all went sour when the mom said something about cleaning something. It's a real bone of contention for Charles.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And he goes, well, listen, I don't get into family business because my family's rough enough. I'm not putting up with your family too. Okay? Fuck all family. And I like, at least someone's honest because we have, you know, we have both Angela and Britt.

[Angela]

Like, oh, family's so important. Family's so important.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you both your family, your family's full of as you've told us, like they're trying to pretend. But then you've got Brit who doesn't really. She, she's not there for her sister like we learned last week. And I'm not accusing Angela of anything, but we know they're up. So I, it's not, it's refreshing to hear someone be like your family. If your family's going to be assholes, then them.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's refreshing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I like, like it.

[Ronnie Karam]

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