#2803 RHOBH S1420 : Dude Where’s My Garcelle?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens - Episode #2803 "RHOBH S1420: Dude Where’s My Garcelle?"

Introduction

In Episode #2803 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve into the tumultuous Season 14 Reunion of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOBH). Titled "Dude Where’s My Garcelle?", the episode offers an in-depth analysis of the intense interactions, conflicts, and emotional confrontations among the cast members. This summary captures the key discussions, notable quotes, and overarching themes presented during the episode.

Key Discussions

1. Accusations and Conflicts Among Cast Members

   The episode centers around the explosive dynamics in the RHOBH Season 14 Reunion, particularly focusing on the strained relationships between Sutton Stracke, Kyle Richards, Erika Jayne, Garcelle Beauvais, and Jennifer Tilly. Tensions escalate as Sutton accuses fellow cast members of various misdeeds, leading to heated exchanges.

   • Sutton Stracke vs. Erika Jayne: Sutton openly criticizes Erika for allegedly trying to undermine her by insinuating that she has issues with alcoholism. This confrontation is marked by Sutton's frustration and Erika's defensive stance.

     Sutton Stracke (00:14:36): "I do not need for you to tell me that there is more to life than a big bank account. There are also big cars, big houses, big children, which thankfully I don't have. I calorie control my children."

   • Sutton Stracke vs. Doris (Dorit): The tension extends to Dorit Kemsley, with Sutton accusing her of unprofessional behavior and financial irresponsibility.

     Sutton Stracke (08:50): "She's definitely not cheap. I'll say that. I'm not going to say much this reunion, but I will say Sutton is not cheap." (Context: Referring to accusations about extravagant spending)

2. Allegations of Alcoholism

   A significant portion of the reunion revolves around allegations that Sutton is an alcoholic. Erika Jayne brings up these accusations, leading to a defensive and emotional response from Sutton.

   Erika Jayne (16:29): "I have to tell you, I just think you're the one who's actually exceedingly jealous, who's tracking Mauricio's every single move. And then you're shocked that anyone would dare to even raise an eyebrow about what you're doing."

   Sutton vehemently denies being an alcoholic, leading to a back-and-forth where she accuses others of misunderstanding her intentions.

   Sutton Stracke (19:37): "She does this to everybody. She accuses everybody of yelling at her."

3. Kyle Richards' Marriage and Separation

   The episode also touches upon Kyle Richards' troubled marriage with Mauricio Umansky, highlighting the emotional strain and public scrutiny they face. Kyle discusses feeling unsupported during the reunion and expresses frustration over insinuations about her personal life.

   Kyle Richards (32:30): "I have my daughters to think about, and this is something I care about. My daughters are gonna grow up to be snakes someday, and I'm not here to hurt anybody or throw anybody under the bus."

4. Garcelle Beauvais’ Perspective

   Garcelle Beauvais provides her insights, often acting as a mediator between the conflicting parties. She criticizes the lack of support and understanding among the cast members.

   Garcelle Beauvais (26:31): "She's like, yeah, I do know that, you know, but we're talking about you right now, okay? We're talking about you, Marco."

5. Resignation and Departure of Garcelle Beauvais

   Towards the end of the reunion, Garcelle expresses her frustration with the ongoing conflicts and decides to leave the reunion prematurely, signaling deeper rifts within the group.

   Garcelle Beauvais (78:08): "I'm done. I'm done. It's been an amazing ride. I'm grateful for the opportunity. Garcelle, out. See you later, suckers."

Notable Quotes with Speaker Attribution and Timestamps

• Sutton Stracke (05:12): "Glad they made this three parts. We really needed it. No two-part reunions at the most."

• Kyle Richards (05:35): "This third one was super sized. It was not only three parts. Yeah. If it felt long, that's why."

• Sutton Stracke (07:20): "Everyone, look under your seat. You've got fifteen hundred dollar purchases."

• Erika Jayne (16:45): "Well, here's one thing you did do to read on Instagram. Someone commented Sutton's behavior changed on a dime because she's a drunk."

• Sutton Stracke (21:32): "Well, what a great clip. Thank you."

• Kyle Richards (32:56): "I didn't have much going on this Storyline. So shut up, alright? We're talking about what happened in St. Lucia and why I feel what I did and why I said what I said."

• Garcelle Beauvais (57:19): "It's like, have you seen how that town's laid out? It makes no sense."

Themes and Insights

1. Lack of Support and Understanding: The reunion highlights a significant lack of empathy and support among the cast members. Accusations and misunderstandings exacerbate existing tensions, revealing deeper fractures within the group.

2. Public Scrutiny of Personal Lives: Kyle Richards' marriage struggles and Sutton Stracke's alleged alcoholism are scrutinized under the public eye, reflecting the invasive nature of reality TV and its impact on personal relationships.

3. Defensiveness and Aggression: Many interactions are marked by defensiveness and aggressive confrontations, indicating unresolved issues and communication breakdowns among the cast.

4. Emotional Fatigue: The prolonged reunion format has left cast members emotionally exhausted, leading to shortened patience and increased volatility during discussions.

5. Departure and Resignation: Garcelle Beauvais' decision to leave the reunion underscores the emotional toll and the futility many feel in attempting to reconcile amidst ongoing conflicts.

Conclusions

Episode #2803 of "Watch What Crappens" provides a comprehensive and critical examination of the RHOBH Season 14 Reunion. Through detailed analysis and highlighting raw, unfiltered interactions, the hosts shed light on the complexities and interpersonal dynamics that make reality TV both captivating and contentious. The episode underscores the challenges of navigating friendship, support, and personal struggles within the high-stakes environment of reality television.

Notable Takeaways:

• The reunion serves as a microcosm of broader issues such as mental health, addiction, and relationship strains.
• The departure of key cast members like Garcelle Beauvais signals possible shifts in future seasons and the sustainability of these reality TV relationships.
• The episode emphasizes the importance of genuine support and understanding in maintaining healthy personal and professional relationships.

Listeners who have not tuned into the reunion will find this summary valuable in understanding the intricate drama and emotional undercurrents that define the latest season of RHOBH.

Transcript

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Kyle Richards]

Guess what happens when there's so much that happens. Hello and welcome to Watch with Crapids, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me here, the wonderful, irreplaceable Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you?

[Sutton Stracke]

Good. How you doing today, baby?

[Kyle Richards]

Hey, you know, it's just another morning in my childhood bedroom. Just enjoying this lovely week of Passover here at my parents house. We are here today to talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion Part three. Before we get any further with that though, we have three shows left on the mounting Hysteria tour. It's been a wild and wonderful ride. We are going to be going to Austin and Dallas in early May and then we're going to be going to Las Vegas. Those are going to be three wonderful shows. Go to watchforkrappins.com to see the exact dates and to get your ticket links and to find out the whens and the where's. We're going to have a great time. Help us send out this tour on a high note. Now we may have two shows that we may add, but we are still waiting for all the business business of that to be settled. So for right now, the only thing we can tell you is that these are the only three shows left. So go check those out. We'd love to see you there in the audience. And then of course also check out our Patreon where you can stream video. Our crap is on demand. Can't just stream any video, just us. So you can watch us, not just listen to us and also gain access to our weekly bonus episodes. This year we have recapped the Traitors and we've also recapped the White Lotus on our bonus episodes. But sometimes we just do a chit chat, you know, sometimes just talk. Sometimes we do what we call airport snaps. Sometimes we do a trailer trash. It's all over [e-mail] watch WhatCrappens. And that, I think, is all. I think that's all the big announcements I have for today.

[Sutton Stracke]

Great time. So let's get to reunion, part three of reunion Beverly Hills season 14. Here we go. Glad they made this three parts. We really needed it. No two part reunions at the most.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. This third one was super sized. This. It was not only three parts. Yeah. If it felt long, that's why.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. Also, it's been like 20 hours. They've been sitting in this room. They've been sitting in this room for 10 days.

[Kyle Richards]

They look exhausted, just furious. Jennifer Tilly looks like she wants to be out of there. She's just sitting there, like, chewing on candy in the corner, giving people looks like, hi, Willie. And just ready to go play some poker somewhere.

[Sutton Stracke]

Jennifer Tilly has diabetes. By the time she leaves this reunion, she's eaten so much candy. By the end, she's like, why?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Why is the room spinning?

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. And she doesn't really have anything to do. Like, she says a few lines here or there, but she's basically like, why am I sitting here for so many hours? Why have they not excused me yet? I've got nothing to do.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So we pick up where we left off, which is where Dorit is poking, poking, poke.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm giving Sutton a little poke. Something, something. Do you like a little alcohol with that? Would you sign?

[Sutton Stracke]

Would you? And finally, setting like to read. I do not need for you to tell me that there is more to life than a big bank account. There are also big cars, There are big houses, There are big children, which thankfully I don't have. I calorie control my children.

[Kyle Richards]

Okay.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, I don't understand why you think you're superior to anyone.

[Kyle Richards]

And Sutton is like, well, I don't think I'm superior to anyone. Oh, maybe just you. And maybe anyone who's poor.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, you certainly behave like it. And I know you're used to buying people and buying gifts and trying to joke around, but Sutton, there is more.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

To life than that.

[Sutton Stracke]

What world am I trying to buy people? Everyone, look under your seat. You've got fifteen hundred dollar purchases. I wish they had included that. Sutton bought everybody, like 1500 Dol Gucci purses or whatever the hell kind of purse she bought. I don't know what kind. Okay, yeah.

[Kyle Richards]

So sun's like, who have I tried to buy? Who, who, who?

[Erika Jayne]

She's like, well, you throw around your money. Quote, unquote, money, whatever those green rectangles you Carry in your purse are what? Allegedly, that is called cash. I wouldn't know, because whenever I have it, it's stolen out of my bag.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. And we mentioned this on the crappy hour show, but Dorit MPK apparently paid like 300 bucks to get their mortgage back in good standing. So good for them. But at this point, they had not done that. So she's very mad. And Sutton's like, who've I tried to buy?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Honey. Honey. How do you like that? I just said, huh?

[Sutton Stracke]

Me? Because you've said honey a lot to people in this episode. There. Finally, Sutton has arrived. Sutton is now at the reunion. I said honey in a sarcastic way.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, here she comes. Here she comes. And Sutton's like, well, you've been calling.

[Kyle Richards]

People honey all day. Okay. And so Jennifer's like, well, I'm going.

[Erika Jayne]

To say that Sutton is very generous, and I don't really feel like she really tries to buy anyone. Like, she'll give people gifts and things and like that. You know, it's like small little trick. It's like.

[Sutton Stracke]

Kathy's like, yo, she's frugal.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

America's like, oh, that Kathy's calling a cheap. You called the cheap. Call it cheap again. It was good. That was a good one, Kathy.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Garcelle's like, what? She's definitely not cheap. I'll say that. I'm not going to say much this reunion, but I will say sutton is not cheap. And so now we're talking about the.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Fourth of July party. Garcelle, you accused of being.

[Sutton Stracke]

You accused Bo of being Dorit's smoke smokes person. And now Garcelle's just like, oh, like Garcelle's just rolling her eyes. Like, another question for me. Let's just beat up Garcelle, spring out a bat.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, is there a part of you that should be pleased that Dorit has a spokesperson who can deliver her message succinctly?

[Kyle Richards]

And both like, huh, I thought that.

[Sutton Stracke]

Was a funny question. And she's like, well, look, I was having a bad morning. All right, listen. I woke up to find that my screener for black girl missing was missing. You know how difficult it is to call a black girl missing office and say black girl missing is missing? It's very confusing.

[Kyle Richards]

It's missing squared. And Garcelle, Yeah, she's like, originally for.

[Sutton Stracke]

The title, I had to explain to them, squared doesn't mean doubled.

[Kyle Richards]

I mean, well, I had a very difficult morning, and I gave a copy of black girl missing to a friend, and I said, here's a present. It's black girl missing present. And then my friend said, is it missing or is it present? So it's a present. So it's. So black girl's not missing. I said, no, black girl's missing. So it's not a present. I said, no, it is a present. Went on for about 30 minutes.

[Sutton Stracke]

All right, let me just rephrase that. Black girl missing here.

[Kyle Richards]

I'm missing my black girl missing present.

[Sutton Stracke]

Where is she missing from presently? And that's the last time I tried to give Dorit a screener. So she's like. I was. You know, she was like, look, she came over and said like, hey, guys, what's going on? And Bose is like, oh, really? Well, you're acting like there needed to be an investigation. Huh? And what I knew was Sutton wanted to leave. And the question was, why is she sitting there? That's what I wanted to ask. If she wanted to leave, just let her go. Let her go.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, I didn't ask them to chase after me either.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, I know. I know you didn't. And so that's why I even went in the after show when you said I wasn't that. You basically said I was an angry black woman. Basically. And Garcelle's like, whoa. And Bose is like, bo's like, yes, this one said it. She said it. And so we see a thrasher.

[Sutton Stracke]

Stop yelling at me. I can't hear through all the yelling. What are you saying?

[Kyle Richards]

You're so aggressive right now.

[Sutton Stracke]

Please don't hit me. Please.

[Kyle Richards]

Please. Which, for the record, yes, Bose literally never yelled. So we see the after show, and Sutton is telling Jennifer, Tilly and Garcelle. She says.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, I'm like, what did I do, Bose, to make you almost angry at me?

[Kyle Richards]

I didn't understand where that was coming from.

[Sutton Stracke]

I cannot believe that Sutton's reaction wasn't like, I didn't call you angry. I called you almost angry. It's very different. Am I not allowed to call people almost angry anymore?

[Kyle Richards]

Now, look, she didn't say angry black woman. It's almost as if of that phrase, it was a black woman missing.

[Sutton Stracke]

So stupid sighting. I mean, look, Sutton should know by now. Like, come on, seriously, this is not your first time in this rodeo. What the is wrong with you? And then she makes it even worse because she goes, well, I don't remember you were saying angry without it almost at the beginning, she's like, oh, you did.

[Kyle Richards]

You did.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Garcelle didn't even pick up on it. And she goes, well, I didn't even hear it. You know, I'm hearing it for the first time. Sometimes when you're friends with Sutton, the best thing to do is just tell your ears no. All right.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, don't.

[Sutton Stracke]

Don't listen. Like, I wasn't calling you an angry black woman. I was just saying, you know, maybe almost angry.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Jennifer's like, oh, here's what you said. I hope that this helps. Hold on. Okay. You know, words. Originals are hard to chew, but they're hard to swallow. So, anyway, here's what she said. I don't know why she's so angry at me there. I hope that I fixed it.

[Kyle Richards]

Bose is like. Then sudden goes, well, because you were kind of yelling at me, which is okay. Sutton could have maybe gotten away of saying, like, well, you seemed a little angry at me, which Bose was not actually angry. Bose was just like, why are you acting like this? But then when she says, you were yelling at me, Bose is like. She's like, yeah, that is. There was not. There was not a yelling. So she's like, see? Now you got to straighten up. Because I don't say I was yelling, because I don't yell. No one has ever seen me yell here. And she goes, okay, all right, all right. Let me. Let me phrase it. You were strong and aggressive and yelling and angry like. And super angry and scary like, okay, is that better?

[Sutton Stracke]

Okay, Next time, I'll just say, I wish we had metal detectors because I'm about to get killed with a weapon by. By very angry, upset, screaming person up in there. So it's like. And look, I know we're making light of this, but, like, such just an idiot. I mean, what are you gonna do? There's no standing up for Sutton on this one. Okay? We're not even gonna do it. It's idiotic. You know, I think that this lady clearly was not angry. And it's also. It's very Sutton. You know, I guess if there was a defense for Sutton, it would be like, she does this to everybody. She accuses everybody of yelling at her. I mean, even in this reunion, when Garcelle's like, this really hurt my feelings, Sutton's like, I know they all hate me. Like, it's not you. We're not talking about you. But Sutton makes everything. Like, she's the biggest victim in every situation. Everybody's yelling her. But still, like, she should know better than to be. And especially when being called out on it to be like, oh, well, I didn't call. You were angry. I just said you were yelling at me.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, the yelling was actually worse when she said you were yelling at me. Like, that's like, the angry thing is already wrong. But, like, she could have. Like, she could have said, like, no, I'm not saying, like, you're an angry person.

[Sutton Stracke]

Whatever.

[Kyle Richards]

It just felt like you were. Like, you seem like there was some friction or whatever. I used the wrong word. But when you start saying yelling, there's like, just not even any evidence.

[Sutton Stracke]

She just compounds her problems, you know?

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah.

[Sutton Stracke]

Stupid. So basically she goes, well, okay, let me say it this way. You came in strong. Can I say that? And she goes, well, I am strong. And sounds like, well, okay, well. But you didn't know what was going on. Okay. Which maybe you could hear if you weren't screaming at me right now. And Bose is like, oh, well, it didn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on. You were sitting there crying by a door. And Andy's like, okay, well, here's what it was.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I'm just going to say because it was so good. I love this part.

[Sutton Stracke]

What a great season.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Garcelle said asked about, but Sutton's drink with watermelon. And it became an alcohol discussion. So, Bose, did Dorit mean to comment about the alcohol as a harmless joke? What was your reaction to that?

[Kyle Richards]

No, I think she was intentional, but I told her that she knew what she was doing because I invented intentionality. And Sutton's like, she knew exactly what she was doing, but I told her that, remember? Didn't you hear what I just said? I told her that. And so Sutton's like, yeah, but it's been a two year thing that she's been doing.

[Erika Jayne]

Oh, what is that? That I'm making it look like you have a drinking problem. She said, well, yeah, keep bringing it up, Dorit.

[Kyle Richards]

Just keep on bringing it up on camera, Dorit.

[Sutton Stracke]

Oh, am I the only person in this group who calls you an ecoholic? I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Who thinks Sutton is an alcoholic?

[Sutton Stracke]

Anyone? Anyone?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Any?

[Sutton Stracke]

Did I say severe?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Did I say severe? Alcoholic?

[Sutton Stracke]

What? Do I seem like I'm saying alcoholic too much? Are you seeing the word alcoholic doubled because you're drunk?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, here's one thing you did do to read on Instagram. Someone commented Sutton's behavior changed on a dime because she's a drunk. And you commented, hashtag facts.

[Sutton Stracke]

It's like goes, oh, yeah, facts. That's what she said. She said facts. And Dorit's just like, oh, yes, yes. Well, I don't really know what to say about that. I will say that when I did it, I was super.

[Erika Jayne]

To be fair, here's. Here's really what happened, Andy. I was. I enjoyed that comment so much, I wanted to fax it over to pk. So I told Siri, please fax this. And instead, she wrote down hashtag facts. So it was a simple misunderstanding, and I never would have written that down, even though it is a blatant fact that Sutton is an alcoholic.

[Sutton Stracke]

I meant fact, Sutton and tell her she's an alcoholic. I was trying to help you. So she's like, you know, it's funny, Sutton.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's funny.

[Sutton Stracke]

She does that, like grabbing a little mosquito out of the air.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's funny because this narrative that I'm perpetuating actually started from you. It started from.

[Sutton Stracke]

You do not remember when you did press in 2020? I have it taped up in my closet. There's no clothes there anymore.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And I said, I.

[Sutton Stracke]

And you said, I have my first drink at 10am do you remember?

[Kyle Richards]

Oh, I was joking. Okay, listen, I was joking, okay? First, I was drunk when I said that, okay?

[Erika Jayne]

It was a joke.

[Kyle Richards]

I meant Covid or something like that. I don't know. 2024. What year was that?

[Sutton Stracke]

Oh, do you not remember? Do you not remember when you said it? Shut up. Like Dorit. Dorit's not even wrong about some stuff. I'm just by this point is three hours of Dorit.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Now.

[Sutton Stracke]

Dorit is yelling constantly in this. Call her angry, you know, tell her she's yelling. Yeah, Dorit's just, like, going on and on about nothing over and over again. I'm kind of sick of treat. I do like that people pointed out the threads that are pulling up her face, so. Because that's all I can stare at now. And I'm like, I want threads. How do they get the threads in there? I want that. I just want threads to come under my skin and just start pulling my shit up. Just. They don't take the skin. They just pull it in a different. I would look like this with threads. Yeah, soon.

[Kyle Richards]

Soon you can do it.

[Erika Jayne]

So Dorit's like, the reality is that the real. The reality is that that is the reality. And you don't want to make it. Make it a big thing. Then don't do what you do, which is get drunk all the time.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And.

[Kyle Richards]

And so I was like, well, that's my business to talk about. Okay? If I want to get drunk in the morning, in the afternoon, at the night, all times of the day, that is my choice. And Dorit's like, well, how am I.

[Erika Jayne]

Supposed to know when you were joking and everyone's making jokes about it and you're walking around with a big ocean spray? The most obvious sign of alcoholism.

[Sutton Stracke]

No, an obvious sign of alcoholism would be walking around with vodka, which I don't doubt that Sutton does as well. I feel like Sutton probably walks around with little airline bottles of vodka and with ocean spray. The point I'm allowed to say when I'm an alcoholic. Not you. You know, and they don't. They don't really do it, so they just, like, go around in circles about this. Like, oh, my God, are you an alcoholic? Why? Why can't I make fun of you for being an alcoholic? Why? Why am I not allowed to make fun? You talk about it all the time. And so she's like, well, you know.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

If I wanted to paint you as an alcoholic, I would have done a hell of a lot more than what I've done.

[Sutton Stracke]

Do you understand me?

[Kyle Richards]

She's right, because she just would have walked into a party and said, oh.

[Erika Jayne]

Look, there's Sutton Strack. She's a severe alcoholic, like pk.

[Kyle Richards]

So. So Andy's like, is that a threat? Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Why do you make a threat like that? She's like, it's not. It's not a threat. Promise. It's not a threat or a promise. It's a joke. And by a joke, I mean a threat and a promise.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And by a joke and promise, I mean there's actually something very serious that suddenly admitted to in 2020.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Andy's like, okay, well, I mean.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Listen, you know, to be fair, Sutton, this only did come up one time.

[Sutton Stracke]

This season, you know, and that's kind of true. She made one little joke, and then Sutton made it a big thing, like, oh, she's trying to insinuate I'm a alcoholic.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, all.

[Kyle Richards]

And also, in Dorit's defense, if Sutton's gonna be like, if. If Sudden writes that down, some tweets out something like, oh, God, it's 10:00am I guess it's time for my first vodka. Like, this is. This is the lifestyle, right? Like, the Ab Fab kind of thing when locked up in Covid, then, like, is it possible that Dorit was just trying to, like, kind of. Yes. And her.

[Erika Jayne]

A little bit.

[Kyle Richards]

I mean, I don't think she was. I think it was passive aggressive.

[Erika Jayne]

But, you know, like.

[Kyle Richards]

Like, Dorit. Dorit had that defense, too. Like, if you're going to say it's a joke, then Dorit can say it's a joke.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, yeah.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, Dorit, you know, Sutton walks around calling her poor, and Dorit walks around calling her a drunk, and that's just kind of their things. And then they get all moral against each other because one thing is supposedly worse than the other thing. But I don't. I don't think it is. And also, Dorit's big thing to use against people, because she used it against PK all year, is that they're an alcoholic. Well, you know, watch your mouth. You live in Beverly Hills. Who's not an alcoholic? Have you driven? I mean, they can't. They have a five way stop sign in a circle with no lines. What do you think that means? That whole town was designed by an alcoholic? Have you seen how that town's laid out? It makes no sense.

[Kyle Richards]

Not smart. It's a triangle in it. It doesn't make sense. Sandy's like they call something a post.

[Sutton Stracke]

Office where no people who deliver mail could ever live.

[Kyle Richards]

Just so confusing. Just try to look. Just try to, like, drive around like Rodeo and Beverly and all those Daytons and everything's going in different directions. It's. It's really. It's a. Yeah, in there.

[Sutton Stracke]

Who do you think named a street Rodeo and then insisted it was called Rodeo? A drunk person. Okay, why don't they drunk everyone get enough respect? Drunk people do things too, okay? Drunk people contribute to society. Get off our asses.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's time for a commercial.

[Sutton Stracke]

It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Jennifer Tilly]

Narrative, or rather, it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, Andy is like, well, the low.

[Erika Jayne]

Blows continued because Lisa Barlow described Doritos pretty. And Sutton said, when you've had enough.

[Kyle Richards]

Surgery, anyone could be pretty. And then Andy said, dorit.

[Erika Jayne]

Then hit back and said, why hasn't sun done it yet?

[Sutton Stracke]

Then that's pretty good. And Sutton's like, oh, she hit back hard. That was hard. Do you know how hard that that hit? That hit harder than a shot of.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Vodka without Ocean Spray inside of it.

[Erika Jayne]

See?

[Sutton Stracke]

And she's like, well, what's gonna happen?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That's what's gonna happen. Sutton, you're gonna hit.

[Sutton Stracke]

I'm gonna hit back harder. Another threat. Another threat. Terror level Orange Doris in my ass.

[Erika Jayne]

No, it's not a threat. I'm letting you know. And he's like, so it's a promise.

[Kyle Richards]

Oh, okay. Kyle's like, yeah, guys, it's a promise.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah.

[Kyle Richards]

It's like, okay, got it, got it, got it.

[Erika Jayne]

Thank you, thank you. Those days are done now. I'm done with the threats. I'm here to the promises.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Sutton's just, like, doing her lipstick in the reflection of a flask she's pulled out of her purse. I don't think we're gonna get anywhere. Okay, can we just get going with this? Thank you. Move on.

[Erika Jayne]

All right, well, things came to a head in St. Lucia when Erica said that Sutton has tendency to kick women down at their lowest. And Jennifer, you know Sutton the best. Do you see this as a pattern of behavior that the other women are talking about?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, I haven't really witnessed that, and I have known Sutton for a very long time. But in this group, you know, it does seem like maybe Saturn is asking questions of people when they're not really in a place to answer the questions. You know, maybe if someone is extremely poor or down on their luck, Satan will say, what is it like being poor or down on your luck? I remember one time Dorit said, you better watch your mouth. And Satan said, what are you going to do, come after me with your Salvation Army? So maybe, you know, maybe it just hits wrong if you don't know Sutton very well.

[Erika Jayne]

Yeah, well, sometimes. This is Erica speaking on Andy, and I just like to say, sometimes those questions hurt, okay? She's like, well, other people in this.

[Kyle Richards]

Group also ask you questions, Erica.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. And they're like. And Garza's like, oh, yeah, yeah, she knows that.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She's like, yeah, I do know that, you know, but we're talking about you right now, okay? We're talking about you, Marco.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Sutton's like, oh, really? And did. Did Kyle and Dorit also kick you when you were down? Because I seem to remember I wasn't the only one kicking there, okay? There was a lot of kicking.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Those were not only my feet, okay?

[Sutton Stracke]

Ballet is not a one person sport. We were all in there pirouetting all over your stupid, poor ass. Am I right?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, we were all, okay, we're talking about you right now because we like to protect each other, so we're only going to talk about you. And I've already cut them out privately by cuss them out. We just sort of had some lot pastries.

[Kyle Richards]

And by lot pastries, I mean a few crumbs, because we only.

[Erika Jayne]

We don't have more than that. And then we just laughed.

[Kyle Richards]

And Kyle's like, yeah, she didn't feel like we supported her as much as Lisa Rinna, but, like, we never kicked her when she was down. We just did a few performative questions on camera so that the audience would think that we were holding her up to some sort of standard.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So Erica's like, oh, we're not railroading this. This is my question. Listen, I didn't have much going on this Storyline. So shut up, all right? We're talking about what happened in St. Lucia and why I feel what I did and why I said what I said. And I said what I said because I feel what I feel. And I ate what I ate when I said it. So everybody understand what I am so.

[Sutton Stracke]

Like, well, what's the difference between them kicking you down and her kicking you down? And Kyle finally, is just like. It's intent. It's intense.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. And Andy's like, okay, so you think.

[Erika Jayne]

Her intent with you and with Dorit and Kyle was. It was to humiliate me. It was the force reaction out of me, as opposed to Kyle and Dorit, who just wanted to ask a few softball questions. That way America wouldn't get mad at them.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah, well, let's see. Coffee from cop on Twitter says, sutton yells and throws tantrums when people clock or hypocrisy and bad behavior. Garcelle, what's your response to that?

[Sutton Stracke]

And she's like, I mean, sometimes, you know what? I don't know. Depends on who's pushing their buttons. I mean, I don't know. Why are we still doing this? Is this over? Have we had lunch yet? I'm exhausted by this. I've been hurt. I've been very, very hurt in this reunion. Andy and I don't really care about this anymore. And he's like, are you okay? She's like, I'm pissed. And she says. He says, what are you pissed about? And she's like, all of it. You know, since I sat here on this couch, I don't even want to answer any more questions. Honestly.

[Erika Jayne]

Do you feel like people are piling on Sutton or.

[Kyle Richards]

I'm not thinking about Sutton right now. I'm thinking about me. I've had to answer three or four questions that were a little bit unpleasant. So I'm just pissed. I'm really pissed right now.

[Sutton Stracke]

So something's like, oh, that's great. This is a me segment. Good or bad? Okay, no press is bad press. Shut up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

So I think that I get very.

[Sutton Stracke]

Rattled by this group, so I feel very not well liked, you know, much. Like a rattlesnake. What do they ever do? Rattle, rattle, rattle. You chop their heads off.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Really?

[Sutton Stracke]

What's their. Nice.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, I wanna like you, son. I just don't. I just. I just wanna trust you, too. She's like, well, it seems to me.

[Kyle Richards]

Like you don't really like me, and you don't really wanna be my friend.

[Erika Jayne]

Are you looking at me? Wait, you think I don't like you. Just because I just think you're a piece of garbage. You kick women when they're down. I mean, nah, whatever.

[Sutton Stracke]

This was so good. When she changes, Erica changes the whole thing and. Sounds like you don't like me. She's.

[Kyle Richards]

What?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What in the world did I ever do to give you that impression, Son? We're like sisters. I mean, come on, we're like granddaughter, grand, grandmother. You know, you're like my ma. I don't hate my mama, even when I think she's wrong. Sutton, you've always got gum in your purse. And by gum, I mean vodka.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, look, just because you remind me of all the traumatic aspects of growing up in the south doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means that you make me feel a bit in my stomach when I see you coming. And I don't want to ever talk with you, and I actually try to run away from you, but I like you.

[Sutton Stracke]

Well, then you. Why do you say that? I kick women down?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You do kick women down, but who cares? A lot of people kick women down. I mean, please, how many people have you seen over the two years begging for their money back that I told to go themselves? Now, listen, kicking women is fun. You just gotta choose the right women to kick. Not me. Do not kick me down.

[Erika Jayne]

Listen, I have a great heart, as you will soon see when I tell everyone that I'm not willing to see my dying husband as he enters the.

[Kyle Richards]

Last few years of his life.

[Erika Jayne]

I have a great heart, and I'm moving forward with my life, and I'm in a better place, so, you know, hooray to me.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Sutton's like, well, I guess I can do better, you know? And I did feel a little bit ganged up on on the boat. And Kyle's like, but no one said anything except arrogant in that moment. So I don't even know where you're coming after us about it. Grasping onto her, Crystal, she's like, ah, Crystal.

[Kyle Richards]

Dorit said something, and it felt like I was being ganged up on because I've been ganged up on in the past, okay? And Kyle's like, yeah, and it doesn't feel good to be ganged up on.

[Erika Jayne]

I know for sure.

[Kyle Richards]

Everyone. And Erica's like, you know, I've been.

[Erika Jayne]

Ganged up in the past, too. It doesn't feel good.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

We all have.

[Erika Jayne]

We've all.

[Kyle Richards]

Everyone's doing the like. Everyone's doing, like, so have I. They're all just trying to take away that, like, Sutton felt ganged up on by basically nullifying about, like, it happened to me, too. Well, they seem to get to have a big change.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, of course, they all make it about themselves, which is what you're saying. But Sutton's making this about herself, too, because it's like a Garcelle. Quite. Garcelle's like, I'm furious. I'm not answering. Okay, just ignore. Just ignore her and go back to what we're talking about. But, yeah, they're all the biggest victims in the room. But that is also kind of part of the show, right?

[Kyle Richards]

It's like, well, Kyle loves to say. Kyle's like, well, I've been gagged up on, too. And yet Kyle is more than happy to take 25 minutes on, like, a reunion every single year to be like. It was just, like, really hard for me because I just felt like I've, like, no one on my back, and I'm here just, like, trying to share with everyone, and, like, no one's listening. And all I'm getting is just, like, I'm getting it from all angles, and, like, I open my mouth and I hear from this person and that person and that person. It's just, like, really hard. It's just hard because I've got daughters, and I don't want to ruin their lives. Like, she gets to have the floor for 20 minutes talking about how she gets ganged up on and the moment that someone else says, like, well, I.

[Erika Jayne]

Felt ganged up on.

[Kyle Richards]

Even though Sutton was completely not ganged up on, when she says I felt ganged up on, Kyle completely does not let her have the floor and have her moment. Yeah, I'm just gonna make this a Kyle issue. I'm gonna prosecute Kyle over this. That's.

[Sutton Stracke]

This is the episode where Kyle does that monologue, too. It's like, oh, God, here we go. When she started that, I was like.

[Kyle Richards]

I'm just gonna go.

[Sutton Stracke]

The annual Kyle cries and talks about how many mean everybody is. So then she's like, sutton, you have to recognize. If you can't recognize, there's no way forward. Now, what is this?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What is this piece of fruit?

[Sutton Stracke]

It's an orange.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Congratulations.

[Sutton Stracke]

You recognize one thing in the world now. I do want a way forward with you. I do want a way. And she's like, well, what do you want me to recognize exactly?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hello.

[Sutton Stracke]

You go, hello.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hello, you go, hello.

[Sutton Stracke]

Can you go limbo?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Limbo.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, I did go low. 100%. I went low. I went almost as low as your bank account. But I promise I Will not do that ever again.

[Sutton Stracke]

Now, I did go low, but unlike you, I did not overdraft. So do I get credit for that?

[Kyle Richards]

You know, as Michelle Obama said, when they go low, you run away because that means they're probably poor.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

All right, let's leave it there. All right, Garcelle, before we move on to a package about how the world has hurt car. Kyle, I wanted to ask you.

[Sutton Stracke]

You're steaming over there.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Steaming. So I want to know if you wanted to.

[Sutton Stracke]

I'm allowed to say steaming, right, guys?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Am I allowed to say screaming? Anybody?

[Sutton Stracke]

Okay, good.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I just want to know if you want to tell me what pissed you off so much.

[Sutton Stracke]

And she's like, well, all of it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Is it because I said I'm really not sure.

[Sutton Stracke]

Sutton, could you just take these questions and ask the most offensive things possible?

[Kyle Richards]

Okay, Garcelle, why are you yelling right now? Can you control yourself?

[Sutton Stracke]

It has to come from Sutton. So she's like, all of it. He goes, but all of what? And Kathy's like, well, I wasn't here, so I want to hear her. What's going on?

[Kyle Richards]

Well, I don't. I don't want to get into it, but I don't think I'm. I've ever. I'm. I ever get any grace in this group. I didn't feel it. Today. We talk about accountability. I stand by the things I say. And even though I'm taking accountability for them, it's not accepted. It's not. Not one person looked at me and smiled. It's like, you can't even accuse someone of orchestrating their own home invasion and their trauma anym.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, when can you. If you can't just tell someone, you know, you think they're a lesbian on tv, and then they get mad at you and you stand by what you said, and they just don't get over it. I mean, absolutely unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Kyle Richards]

I think she. I'm assuming she's saying she wanted Garcelle. I mean, she wanted Sutton to stand up for her a little bit or, like, have her back or someone, right? But said she just left there hanging out to dry.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, I think that that's true. I think she's also just like these fake people. You know what I mean? I said my truth, and now we're just gonna pretend like nothing was ever said, and they're just gonna go on fighting over this stupid shit and just ignore me now, you know, and she's.

[Kyle Richards]

Also probably like, you know, you call me boring, but you're the ones who are Hiding all the good stuff in your lives, and then you're gonna make it seem like I'm the one who's at fault here. You know, I'm trying to show you everything I can. I just don't have much going on in my life. I made a movie. I made a movie, and I built a house in Oxnard, and. And you're gonna call me boring when you're the one who spent the entire season getting wallpaper, and you still won't give a straight answer about Tom Girardi. And you're the one who is, like, crying about your marriage falling apart. We spent all of last season complaining about your husband and flirting with another person, and then you're going to deny any of that, and then you don't even want to bring it up anymore. You shove it in our face, and then we can't even talk about it. But I'm the boring one. I'm the one who's at fault here for this show. That's probably what was going through my mind, because I know me, and I would probably do the same thing.

[Sutton Stracke]

Well, yeah, but the problem is, it's Housewives, and she needs to say that.

[Kyle Richards]

Because she does need to.

[Sutton Stracke]

She's just.

[Kyle Richards]

This is.

[Sutton Stracke]

This is her fatal mad. You know, her whole thing is like, I'm pissed. And then she's just gonna shut down, which is her right. And, you know, as we were saying last week, she's. She's loses either way, right? Because then she does get mad and tell everybody off, and they're gonna be like, oh, there she goes, falling into the angry black woman trope and all of that stuff. But, I don't know. I need more than just like, I think she should have been like, all of you guys, I don't want to be here. And walked off now instead of waiting till the end, because they're going to call her a professional either way.

[Kyle Richards]

That's. And that's the thing with this entire show, is that everyone always kind of bites their tongues. And moments like these, it's like, I just. I don't feel supported. And then that someone, like, walks off, you know, as opposed to, like, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where instead it would be Lisa Barlow, ugly, crying and being like, I said everything to you today, and you didn't say anything back to me. And this makes me really feel really up. This is really up right now. Like, that's what we need.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah, And I get that, Garcelle. You know, look, I get. I get it. But I also think like, maybe this just isn't the right environment. Well, I think you got to come in and, like, give it back. Like, if someone's going to shade you, you have to be able to shade them back. And if Dorit says, you know, well, how dare you insinuate nobody else thought that my house was robbed by PK or whatever, you could be like, oh, really? Then why was your debt to Bellagio paid off after two months when the insurance money came in? And why, you know, like, give all the evidence we've all been reading online for the past couple of years? You know, but to just be like, well, that's my opinion. And nobody, like, you know, nobody accepts it.

[Kyle Richards]

It's like, Garcelle has already got one foot out the door because she's got a successful, you know, you know, TV movie venture that's happening right now. And she sees the light of doing things that are more creative and more fulfilling with people that she likes more. And she's like, you know what? I'm not gonna flame out my professional reputation over these stupid idiots. I'm just gonna shut my mouth, get through the end of this episode, and then it's goodbye for me.

[Sutton Stracke]

I think that's basically what she does. That's probably what she did, because she's like, lex, I've used the show better than any of you have, actually, to advance my own career away from this show. So I'm not gonna blow it for you idiots. Like, I'll just sit here till the end, and then I'll leave. I'll just say, fuck you by not being in a picture.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, so.

[Sutton Stracke]

So back to it. She's like, yeah, you know, like, no one smiled at me. And Andy's like, well, do you think.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Maybe it's because everyone's stressed that it's a reunion?

[Sutton Stracke]

She's like, no, whatever. And Kyle's like, I mean, yeah, because, like, you know, maybe were you smiling at people and then they weren't smiling back? And Dorit just goes.

[Kyle Richards]

I was smiling when I first got here. And then it all changed. And it was like, okay, well, it's not okay.

[Erika Jayne]

I mean, you're upset.

[Kyle Richards]

And Garcelle's like, it's okay. It's okay.

[Sutton Stracke]

I'll.

[Kyle Richards]

I'll smile at other people and I'll get those smiles back. Because, you know where they do smile back at you? Oxnard.

[Erika Jayne]

It's like, okay, cool, let's go to commercial.

[Sutton Stracke]

And they're sitting there, and Sutton's like, I mean, you said you're not answering any more. Questions. And she goes, no, I can't stand them all. So no. And Sutton's like, oh, God, they really.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hate me, don't they? They really hate me.

[Sutton Stracke]

Can it just be about your friend for two seconds? Why is everything fucking about you? Oh, my God, someone called you a drunk.

[Kyle Richards]

I know.

[Erika Jayne]

All right, welcome back to the Real Housewives of Family Hills reunion. These women might be known as the Housewives, but this year there is not a wife in sight. Whether they were getting their flirt on with their private chefs or massage therapists or both captains, we're just gonna scrape the bottom. We have. We're just trying to use up the last scraps of footage to cobble together a fighting games montage. Here you go.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah, so it's funny games. Oh, my God, they're so horny with the man hands, people. And Kyle's like, guys, that was more like the real horny Housewives of Beverly Hills. That was almost as good as Angry Spice. Kyle, how long did you have that one saved up? So then they basically make little small talk like, who should dorit be with? And they're like, oh, some pretty young thing and all of that.

[Kyle Richards]

I like that Bose had to say when Bose was like, oh, treat needs to be with some pyt. And everyone just sitting there like, what pretty young thing? Okay, everyone, come on, keep up.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

America goes, oh, I thought you meant something totally different. Something.

[Sutton Stracke]

What does she think?

[Erika Jayne]

Pat your tushy.

[Sutton Stracke]

What did Erica think she meant?

[Kyle Richards]

What is PYT is only one thing, right?

[Sutton Stracke]

I think so.

[Erika Jayne]

I wanna love you byt, which we all know stands for plebeian. Yo, yo, toddler.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So they talk about their rosters and nobody will basically admit to fucking anybody. And Jennifer Tilly's like, well, I wish.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

That I had slept with more above the name titles. I've mostly slept with just squishy comedians and character actors. You know, everyone thinks that actors automatically get laid here, but they don't. Not the ugly ones. So it's sort of my mission, you know, it's sort of. That's my reason for being here. Give the ugly guys a chance.

[Sutton Stracke]

I'm like, well, it worked out for you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She goes, yeah, sometimes they can even animate.

[Kyle Richards]

When she said strange squishy comedians, that was such a specific turn of phrase. And yet it did like, it painted an exact like. Like I imagine going to like the improv. And I know exactly who. She's like the type of. The type of guys she's talking about.

[Erika Jayne]

Like, yeah, only non famous people for me.

[Kyle Richards]

So this is Erica was. Erica was trying to, like, squirm out of the fact that she said that Garcelle had peaked by being like, wow.

[Erika Jayne]

Your roster is amazing. All I've got is a cannibal and an old fraudster. So good on you, girl.

[Kyle Richards]

Commercials.

[Jennifer Tilly]

Here comes one right now.

[Sutton Stracke]

Everyone has that friend who seems kind.

[Kyle Richards]

Of perfect for Patty.

[Sutton Stracke]

That friend was Desiree.

[Kyle Richards]

Until one day I texted her and.

[Sutton Stracke]

She was not getting the text. So I went to Instagram. She has no Instagram anymore. And Facebook. No Facebook anymore.

[Kyle Richards]

Desiree was gone.

[Sutton Stracke]

And there was one person who knew the answer.

[Kyle Richards]

I am a spiritual person, a magical.

[Sutton Stracke]

Person, a witch, a gorgeous Brazilian influencer.

[Kyle Richards]

Called Kat Torres, but who was hiding a secret from Wondery.

[Sutton Stracke]

Based on my smash hit podcast, from.

[Kyle Richards]

Brazil comes a new series, Don't Cross.

[Sutton Stracke]

Cat, about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb. I'm calling to check on the two missing Brazilian girls, maybe get some undercover crew there.

[Kyle Richards]

The family are freaking out.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

They are lost.

[Kyle Richards]

I'm Chico Felitti. You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast guests.

[Jennifer Tilly]

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[Sutton Stracke]

So now the big questions.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Kyle, it seemed like a big moment when you removed the word wife from your Instagram bio. Has anyone slid into your.

[Sutton Stracke]

Slid into your sledded? Has anyone sledded into your dm?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Since then, I wanted to make it more of a sporty kind of a phrase.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kyle's like, like, yeah, I like men and women. Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

Anyone interesting?

[Kyle Richards]

No. And Erica's like, yes, but of course Kyle's not going to share that because, you know, the rules don't apply to her. So. And he's like, well, okay, cool.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, before we close this out, One more question, ladies. Okay, Bose, this. You're excluded from this. Who here thinks. Do you think is gonna get married first? Does anyone care? Does anyone here in America care? No, but we're gonna. Anyway, who's going to get married first?

[Kyle Richards]

And then they all think, Jennifer says it's going to be Kyle gets married.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah, they all say, kyle.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She's the one that can't be alone. I mean, have you seen the woman trying to cook salmon in her house without children there? It's pathetic, Andy.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kyle's like, I do love being married. I love that. Soon we talk about Erica's son, the cop, testifying in the ASAP rocky trial.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He texted me, said, I'm going to be on tv, but I thought I should tell you, and I said, whoa, by the way, I should tell you I'm still being sued by four people. Well, just kidding. I didn't tell him that. Hey, what the. Does he care?

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah.

[Kyle Richards]

And she's like, yeah, I found out.

[Erika Jayne]

About that the night before. Like, you gave me a text. It was really cool, you know, sort of pissed because I really made it 10 years on the show without having to show my son, but. Oh, well, I guess you got to show something about your life once. What?

[Kyle Richards]

Once in a while, you know? Yeah.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And she says the one thing that came out of this Tom thing that was really good, other than the earrings, which of course still wear, is that, you know, the police were called to my house so often that I got to see my son more. So that was good. I mean, I would have only seen him more if he was a plumber. God, I can't even flush pee in that house, Andy. Not even pee.

[Erika Jayne]

You know, I gotta say, one of the fringe benefits of this is that I became much more, much, much closer with my son. And now we have a beautiful, beautiful relationship where we sit and we talk and he gets to really see the real side of me and I see the real side of him, and there's a beauty that's there. And through him is how I truly understand empathy. Anyway, fuck y'all. You don't get to see it on tv.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, my son doesn't want to ride my coattails. He doesn't want to be famous because Mommy's famous. He's gonna blaze his own trail by testifying in celebrity trials, so good for him. I said, if my own son can't make it as a famous cop, nobody can.

[Sutton Stracke]

I like that she's talking about him like he's in show business. I know. Like, yeah, he doesn't need me. He wanted his own path, and now he's famous on his own. Testifying against ASAP Rocky.

[Kyle Richards]

I don't know. It just, like, drives me crazy how. How they really gate so, like, these huge portions of their lives, all of them on this show, or at least the Fox Force Five do, and then. Then they get mad at Garcelle for not being interesting. It just. It drives me nuts. They just will not talk about the big things in their lives at all.

[Erika Jayne]

Like. And it's like, this isn't even scandalous.

[Kyle Richards]

It's just her son. Like, you have a son. This could give it. This would be interesting to learn about you, you know, but no, of course not.

[Sutton Stracke]

So then we talk about the pizza party therapist who said, that's not pizza party behavior.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And she's like, you know, these women have known me being married and being a huge pop icon and going everywhere in private jets and holding up the walls of a crumbling, crumbling marriage. Andy. So, you know, just seeing me be amazing again, I think it might be hard for people, Andy. I think it might be hard.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Andy's like, well, have you divorced Tom? And she's like, no.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, it's funny. It's funny. You know, I don't have to answer for that other than my divorce attorney reached out to me and was like, we need to get on this. And I was like, just wait for him to die. How long can it take?

[Kyle Richards]

And he's like.

[Erika Jayne]

He's like, well, and I guess Tom was convicted of wire fraud related to Abyssal Man. And, you know, and he's pushing, but he's. He's pushing for hospitalization instead of prison. Yes. And Martin does promise to do the wallpaper. Okay, cool. Do you ever think of visiting him? And she's like, well, I thought of visiting him, and this is gonna sound cold, but I'm gonna visit him when he passes away.

[Kyle Richards]

Like, yeah, that does sound a little cold. Like, it's funny because she won't. She's made a great effort not to throw him under the bus during all this. Like, in terms of the crimes, etc, I guess maybe because it could implicate her, but she has, in many ways protected him. She said that, oh, it turns out he was terrible and yada, yada, yada. And I believe her completely on that. But it is.

[Sutton Stracke]

She still has his mentally incapacitated defense that she tried.

[Kyle Richards]

She has, like, been. Yeah, she has, like, pushed also. Kind of a sympathetic narrative of him at the same time, like, He's. It's. The man you see is not the same. It's very sad. And I don't know, like, for me, I have a weird reaction where it's like, you either divorce this. This person and you move on with your life and you do your thing, but if you sort of are staying in this and you're still kind of being protective over him, but then you won't. You kind of won't see him in his dying days. I don't know. I felt like that was. I felt that was actually really, really cold.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, yeah, that's shitty.

[Kyle Richards]

He's just, like, rotting away.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Then she's like, I mean, why even talk to him? He's not even there mentally, so it's like talking to somebody who's not even there.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, geez, you don't go visit patients with dementia. I mean, my goodness.

[Kyle Richards]

No, that's what I was thinking. It was just like, that happens to me. I fully expect you, Ronnie, to be there in about 40 years. So I will be.

[Sutton Stracke]

I'll be like, it's me, Danny Pellegrino. How's everything?

[Kyle Richards]

Like, Danny, guys.

[Sutton Stracke]

Me, Park. Overall, God. I brought you these cookies. Be someone new and fabulous every time.

[Kyle Richards]

Park. Oh, my God. You could just do 80s sitcom stars. Did you know this? Here's something that has nothing to do with anything, but I just discovered that Eileen Graff, who was the mom on Mr. Belvedere, she was on the. She was Sandy in the original run of Grease on Broadway. She wasn't the original Sandy, but she was like the second Sandy. And she played across from Richard Gere. Richard Gere played Danny Zuko at one point. So just imagine that the. The mob from Mr. Belvedere.

[Erika Jayne]

Her.

[Kyle Richards]

She played the love interest to Richard Gere once. And that just goes to show anything is possible. Just put your mind to it, guys, and then hope someone discovers it like 40 years later.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So basically she won't go see Tom because he's. He's got a mushy brain anyway. So she's kind of an asshole. I think reason she's not divorcing him is obvious. Right. That guy's got money hidden someplace. That guy's got a lot of money hidden. I don't think Tom is like a non money hider. I think he's gonna pass. They're gonna give it a couple of years and she'll go dig up that money somewhere. Obviously, I don't know anything, but I'm just assuming that that man was so good at stealing money. Men who are good at stealing money are also good at hiding money. And she's like, well, I'm gonna keep all of my. I'm gonna keep all of my wifely privileges, thank you very much. I'm just not gonna do anything to, you know, earn them.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, this. This whole response was definitely hit me. I don't know. I was surprised how much it struck me that, like, it left a real sour taste in my mouth because, like, I understand too, if it's, like, it can be hard if you. If there's someone you love and you don't want to see them in a state of utter decay. But, like, I don't know, it's weird.

[Sutton Stracke]

It's. It's.

[Kyle Richards]

It's weird to be this. Be in this middle area that I think that she is in where she hasn't said, you know what? I'm moving on. I'm very sad for what's happened with him. And it's in the. In my past, and I'm going to go forward versus. Versus. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. To me, the whole thing is weird.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah.

[Erika Jayne]

So Erica's like, you know, yeah, I've got nothing to say to him. I'm not gonna get the questions that I still have. So what's up? Even the point of visiting the old fucker anyway, that's gonna be the third. It's so sad. And I worked really hard to make my peace with it, and I worked really hard. I mean, I called up Martin Lawrence Ballard and said, give me a couch. And he did, and now I feel better. So, yeah, nothing could come out. Good, good. Nothing good could come of this.

[Sutton Stracke]

And.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, well, you know, Tom has been convicted, but you haven't been charged. So have any of the people who.

[Sutton Stracke]

Turn their back on you come back.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Around and she's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Sutton Stracke]

And I don't know that she really had any friends that we've ever seen.

[Kyle Richards]

I was like, who turned their back? Who turned their back? We knew her friends. We would know.

[Sutton Stracke]

Mikey and Lia. So then we go to commercial and Jennifer Tilly sitting there, and she's like.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, well, isn't this fun? You know, I just had three bites of a corn dog that I found outside. It's right outside the studio. It was delicious. So.

[Kyle Richards]

You don't just get Aaron to corn dogs outside of buildings in la.

[Sutton Stracke]

Rich. You know, it's like a studio card or something.

[Kyle Richards]

That's Called being rich.

[Sutton Stracke]

So.

[Kyle Richards]

And he's like, ah, welcome back.

[Erika Jayne]

Okay. Well, sun has given us so many comedic moments. We don't have to name him, name him, name him. But nothing was funnier than watching the way that her mother, Reba, totally destroyed her in Augusta. Let's take a look.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah.

[Sutton Stracke]

So we see the whole Augusta journey again. And. And he's like, how does it. By the way? It was kind of a. It was a rough one because, I mean, it goes from, well, I've been raised by narcissist. You know, going after Reba. And then the whole Garcelle being like, well, Reba, I think you should talk to your daughter. And her being like, I think that is none of your business. You know, the whole thing. They went through the whole thing. And so Andy says, how does that make you feel watching it back? And she's like, well, that was just so special to me. So I can see how that would be special, but there was a lot to unpack in that clip. She's like, what a great clip.

[Kyle Richards]

What a great clip.

[Sutton Stracke]

Thank you.

[Kyle Richards]

You know, unfortunately, you missed the part where we all sat and laughed and watched as Kyle Richards tried to go jogging in the Georgia humidity. That was so fun. Watching her pass out on the side of the road, almost get run over by a four wheeler. Anywho, so she says that it was like, really, she had really good closure from being in that room and talking about it. And forgiveness is really important, and she just knew she needed to forgive her dad. She didn't know she even had to, but then she realized she did. And then. But she has not talked to Reba about the episodes. So I'm really hoping there's a camera. A real meta moment where a camera can capture Reba and Sutton talking about Reba's portrayal on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. And she's like, I'll go home in April, so we'll talk then.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, you're a brave friend, Garcelle.

[Sutton Stracke]

Sitting with Reba and saying stuff that she needed to hear. And sounds like I told her, I warned her, this is not going to go well, Garcelle. And then I hid behind a column and I watched it all go down. And then I had my hands up in the air in case I needed.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

To flee and say, I was not.

[Sutton Stracke]

Involved in this Mummy.

[Kyle Richards]

Well, I was scared.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, you handled it very well. You didn't break a sweat. Unlike Kyle Richards. That's what she tried to jog at. The Georgia Heat. Am I right, everyone? Look, I'm getting in on it.

[Kyle Richards]

So Garcelle's like, yes. Even though I know people had opinions about her, she was actually be very sweet. And I would take her crusty old ass over anyone else in this room right now, to be honest.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Well, baby from Ruth on Twitter said.

[Sutton Stracke]

Of course Kyle would get along with Sutton's mom.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

She grew up with Big Kathy. So, Kyle and Kathy, do you see.

[Sutton Stracke]

Similarities with Reba and your mom? I'm sorry, did Reba ever cook screws into a hamburger to try and kill one of her mates? I mean, allegedly from Book House of Hilton, in case anybody is wondering where that comes from.

[Kyle Richards]

Kyle's like, well, I do appreciate the comparison, but unfortunately, I did not get to meet Sutton's mother, which is too bad. But I did get to meet the lovely cook in that house.

[Erika Jayne]

Kyle. That was my mother.

[Kyle Richards]

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that was the cook. That was my mother.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kyle and Kathy are both like, no, no, no, no. Nothing like Mom. Nothing like Mom. I mean, her mom was amazing. And Erica goes, well, I can tell.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You, it was like staring at my grandmother, just staring right at her.

[Sutton Stracke]

And we see photos of Erica with her grandmother, and she's like, you know, it was generational.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, those were still Magnolias. Who could have used a better hair salon, you know? You know, I'll tell you one thing. Reba could have used the Steel Magnolias. All right, Shelby, drink your juice. Shelby, drink your juice.

[Erika Jayne]

Does it make you understand Sutton anymore?

[Kyle Richards]

And why are you. Why is Sutton choking on the floor right now?

[Erika Jayne]

Erica's like, yeah, I get it. You know, she's got through a lot. Son's gone through a lot of trauma.

[Kyle Richards]

And having a therapist as a mom.

[Erika Jayne]

That doesn't make anything peachy or great, but, like, you know, for Carcel to sit there and say this to someone's mom and for her to say, that's none of your business. I mean, I swear to God, my grandmother was resurrected. In Sutton's face, that is. Of course, she looks way older than I do.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You know, Sutton was worried about seeing a mom. I said, just don't see her. And wait for her to die and see what she leaves you. That's how I deal with old people, Andy. That's how I deal with them.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Garcel says she didn't have closure with her dad, and so that's why she wanted to talk to the mom. So Sutton had a. Had a better ending, you know? And Sutton's like, you know, I just. I need to put this in My mother's perspective, you know, it kind of looks like I'm blaming her, and, you know, I am. But maybe she was scared, you know, there's more to the story. Well, yes. She grew up with an alcoholic for a daughter. Could you imagine, bring your daughter to work a day, and they're like, is that girl drunk?

[Erika Jayne]

Well, Jennifer, as close as you and Sutton are, what did you learn about your friend from watching Second House? Very brave of Saturn. And also for Rebot to play this out on television and that it's very important to be open about these situations and just to never speak about them ever again.

[Sutton Stracke]

So what. What has the experience taught Sutton about herself? She's like, well, I think it has shown me that my mother deserves nothing better than a pool house. And I want to do better. I just want to make Erica like me more. That's what I learned.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Thank you.

[Erika Jayne]

All right, well, that's great. Okay, well, thank you for opening that hilarious and depressing part of your life.

[Kyle Richards]

I know that was really tough on you.

[Erika Jayne]

Hilarious for us. Okay, cool.

[Kyle Richards]

Ah.

[Sutton Stracke]

Okay, so then we go to a Teddy acknowledgment because Teddy's been so sick. So they talk about Teddy a little and speak of. Speaking of cold. Oh, my gosh. So they're talking about Teddy, and Andy's like, so has everybody been in touch with her, like, to say, you know, hope you get better or whatever? And to read, it's like, no, you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Knew I did it. Something on Instagram. I. She said something about cancerous tumors, and I replayed hashtag truth.

[Sutton Stracke]

I know.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Hashtag facts. And then I realized that was supposed.

[Sutton Stracke]

To be on a certain post, so I deleted that. And so that's pretty much it.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Because I figured, listen, if.

[Sutton Stracke]

Here's the odds.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

If she gets better, I'll talk to her then.

[Sutton Stracke]

So what the. Is that, like, she basically said, like, I'm not talking to her because she's really in the thick of it right now. And that's not really when people need your support. You know, when they need your support. When they're healed.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, she. Maybe she was trying to, like, reinforce her argument in the beginning of the season that she's not that close with Teddy. And now I. I think that's pretty, Pretty evident.

[Erika Jayne]

So Andy is like, well, our thoughts are with her. Okay, so after last year's bombshell separation between Bravo's golden couple, Kyle found herself stuck between her old life and her old face. And now, then suddenly, a photo came out in Greece of a girl kissing Mauricio. Let's take a look.

[Kyle Richards]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, no.

[Sutton Stracke]

I dropped my crystal again.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, God. Kyle, Jesus.

[Kyle Richards]

Literally put the crystals down. Okay, that's your third time. Three strikes and you're out. You cannot handle crystals anymore.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Drop this hard. Since the end of last season. Am I right?

[Kyle Richards]

So we see a very long montage just scrolling through these flashbacks.

[Sutton Stracke]

I can't. And then any more Mario with Mario. Sorry, I can't with any more Mauricio. Was he cheating? Was he not cheating? Why is Kyle always hinting that he is cheating and they're not talking. Talking about him cheating? So she watches that and then, you know, basically watches a 20 minute montage of her accusing Mauricio. Under the radar. Under the radar of cheating. And which is. He probably did. I mean, let me just say that right out the gate. Well, so then she's like having her eyes.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. And she's sad. And Andy's like, well, where are you.

[Erika Jayne]

At Mo currently in your separation? Is anyone vile?

[Kyle Richards]

She's like, no, we're just like, literally the same. Like, we're close and we talk all the time. We're having the best divorce in the.

[Sutton Stracke]

Like, we literally talk to each other every day, you know, But I feel sad for my kids. You know, all they have is like a hundred million dollar business to take over that they work in with their dad every day. I mean, when are they gonna see their dad, you know?

[Erika Jayne]

Do you think you're mourning your old life?

[Kyle Richards]

I mean, yeah, I mean, I just have a life where people knew how to open the second French door and move chairs through through doors and things like that. And now I have to do it myself. So, yeah, I am mourning a little bit. It's just like, listen, I mean, it's sad no matter what and it's weird. You've been with somebody for 30 years. It's just sad, you know, like, we literally talk every day. We love each other. And I just feel sad for my kids. Like when I look back and I look back at what a great life we had, it's a loss, it's sad.

[Sutton Stracke]

It's a big, big loose. Huge, huge loose.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It's like the time Sutton was looking in her back and she couldn't find the vodka in there.

[Sutton Stracke]

It was a huge loss. She almost lost a shit, Andy. So Kathy says that she actually wants to see them reconcile. She's like, I just don't like things changing.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I don't like to see things change.

[Sutton Stracke]

And son's like, yeah, Kathy still wants me to reconcile with Christian. He's Rich. He's just so rich.

[Kyle Richards]

I didn't say Christian, I just said a Christian. That's all I want. So Kathy is. Yeah, she's just like, I like things to say the same. And so Andy is like, alright, well.

[Erika Jayne]

Coffee cup tweeted in again. Amazing. Got through twice and said, this was a little heartbreaking. When Kyle asked about the towels, it was her way of saying, I want to take care of you. It was also her way of saying, the scope of my life is so small that all I care about is towels. Anyway, Mo said he's good. And then last year you seemed so angry with Mauricio, but then this year.

[Kyle Richards]

Do you have regrets about separating from him?

[Sutton Stracke]

And so, I mean, you know, I regret for both of us allowing to get this place, you know, like, I wish we communicated. And she's like, do you think Jennifer's.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, kyle, do you think that Mo regrets it on some level and wants to get back together with you?

[Sutton Stracke]

And she's like, well, I mean, he regrets things that got us to this place, but, you know, I mean, he doesn't want us to get back together. I mean, would you. I mean, have you seen how he lives? I mean, the man has two towels and a his own condo. That's all a man needs. I have kids.

[Kyle Richards]

I love Kyle saying, I wish we had communicated better. Leading up to this, I'm like, I seem to remember like many scenes where he was like, what's wrong? What's wrong? And she was like, nothing, I don't want to talk about it.

[Sutton Stracke]

So, yeah, so she says that the show isn't what brought them apart, but he was actually her biggest supporter on the show, basically doing the show and that now he has all this money and fame and the agency is growing and he's getting all this, this attention and women are snakes because they see a man with a. They see a man who's a good husband and good father and he has money and they're like, oh, I want that. So they just throw themselves at him.

[Kyle Richards]

So Kyle, how can I blame him.

[Sutton Stracke]

For anything that he might do when the women are the shitheads?

[Kyle Richards]

How can we blame a man for having his agency over his own reactions? Kyle, who last episode was like, guys, I am a girl's girl. I am totally a girl's girl. And like, how could you ever say I'm not a girl's girl? Women are snakes. Women are snakes. And they're jealous of my man. She's so full of it.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So she's like, you know, we married so young, he didn't get to do his thing, you know, and so now he's out getting to do his thing. So I guess that means sleep. I don't know if it means sleeping around or just partying. You know, if, like, now he gets to party, but that should be something you guys can do together. Like, now you're both rich. It's not like it's just him being rich.

[Kyle Richards]

That's it.

[Sutton Stracke]

Just a good thing about being a couple, you retire and you go. I mean, I know he's not retired, but you get rich and you go party all over the world.

[Kyle Richards]

I don't know. I think. I mean, I think that he's partying now because he's now divorced and now he's, like, set loose on the world or separated and, you know, he is gonna have his midlife crisis and all that. All that crazy stuff. But I did not get an indication last season that that was the driving force behind her wanting to, like, pull. Pull away from Mauricio. It wasn't like that was like the storyline like, oh, he's partying. He was traveling a lot, that's for sure. And she's very. You know, she has a hard time with that. But I don't know, I just travel.

[Sutton Stracke]

Different work and all that stuff.

[Kyle Richards]

It feels like a different story this time around. And I don't know, I feel like there's more to it, which is, like, what we all feel, I think.

[Sutton Stracke]

Well, there is. She admits that. She just says she's not going to talk about it. So then she's like, you know, like, I don't want to party. Like, we were in our 20s and 30s, you know, like, I don't want to do that. And so he's like, well, I mean.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

It was a little while to see mo&pk parting with Kyle Cook from Summer House.

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, wow. Wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

What do we think about that crossover, huh?

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah, that's. That is kind of a wild thing. I'm surprised Whitney wasn't there too. So Andy's like, we do.

[Erika Jayne]

Were you surprised by that? She's like, no. She's like, but. But see those guys, the Kyle's like, those kind of things.

[Kyle Richards]

They're like, I'm just like, yeah, I would. Like, I wouldn't. If I'm seeing those videos, let me tell you. I'm like, no, no, I. I actually need those reminders to know that I'm doing the right thing right now.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

He goes, wow, you don't have any fomo.

[Sutton Stracke]

Wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

You ever partied with Kyle Cook. He's fine. He's fine.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kathy's like, I would be so jealous and hurt. But she's not. Not. She's not. So then he's like, well, your life is quiet. Do you want to leave the house ever? And she's like, well, I was about to buy a house, actually, across from Lisa Vanderpump. Oh, my God, that would be amazing.

[Erika Jayne]

Please do.

[Kyle Richards]

Do it, do it, do it.

[Sutton Stracke]

You know, Lisa Vanderpump wants that, too. Like, oh, come.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Please come over, Kyle Rich.

[Kyle Richards]

Kyle's like, literally, the bat, the bedroom looked at her driveway, and he's like, come on, you gotta do it just for the show. She's like, I went back, like, three times and, like, with the contractor to add things and then also to, like, throw eggs at Lisa's house, but, like, I just didn't do it in the end. Yeah.

[Sutton Stracke]

So she. So basically what? Sutton was not shy about speaking her mind when Kyle's marriage or Garcelle, what were you thinking when Sutton brought up Mauricio's alleged. Alleged infidelity? She's like, oh, God, me again. I was just doing a wordle over here. Well, I was shocked. We'd heard stuff in the press. I mean, well, Mauricio's cheating.

[Kyle Richards]

Shocker.

[Sutton Stracke]

But no one's really spoken about it. And by no one, I mean Kyle.

[Erika Jayne]

And last year, you did. You kind of alluded to something on this reunion.

[Kyle Richards]

Yes, she did. And so we see flashback of Kyle basically saying, like, there was something that happened. I'm not gonna say it, but something happened that made me lose. I trusted him. So Andy's like, well, I was surprised. Like, you were acting a little obtuse about it on the show. And Erica's like, obtuse.

[Erika Jayne]

That's a. That's a choice, by the way. What does the obtuse mean?

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Oh, wow. She won't answer a question, so now we're calling a fat. Great. Good one, Amy. Damn.

[Kyle Richards]

Listen. Listen, everyone. I have my daughters to think about, and this is something I care about. My daughters are gonna grow up to be snakes someday, and I'm not here to hurt anybody or throw anybody under the bus, but everybody in our lives for grabs. And I'm, like, not here to talk bad about Mo. I don't like when anyone speaks against him. Now I'll talk about all those bitches who took him away from me. I will do that. But I didn't. I did feel like that was done intentionally. And that day with sudden. And I was like, wow, that was Like. Like, she. She said it wasn't on purpose. It was an accident. But I'm like, no, I don't want to talk badly about the father of my children, except that he has extremely low amounts of willpower when dealing with all the sluts that are out there in Aspen.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. She's like, I don't want to talk about the husband and my children or the father of my children, but I do want to insinuate that he's been cheating a ton on me and completely destroying me without saying it. I'm not gonna say anything, but I'll insinuate it so that you guys all talk about the father of my children. Yeah, it's very Kyle. So she's like, well, I don't even know he was seeing anybody, but before he moved out and got his own place, I used to see all his messages on his iPad. And Bose is like, what? And Kathy's rubbing her hands together like, yes. Yes, she did. So she's not reading them anymore, but they're all like, oh, wow.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Erica's like, your close friend is a master detective.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kathy's like, and your sister. And Kyle's like, well, I don't want to give anybody tips. So men start putting their little things away.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Like, this is what.

[Erika Jayne]

This is.

[Sutton Stracke]

Women's rights. Wow.

[Kyle Richards]

That's crazy. So she was going through his DMS and everything. So, of course, the implication is like, he was cheating.

[Sutton Stracke]

Oh.

[Kyle Richards]

I think she's also saying she's going through the DMs during the separation or. I don't know. Her timeline was, like, a little. It was a little gray. But the point is that she was. That she was. I think this also goes back to a larger point that has. Has come up before, which is that Kyle has displayed that she is a very jealous person, and it seems like Mauricio has given her good cause. But then she's always so shocked when people are like, why would you make that video with Morgan Wade? And why you're always hanging out with. With Morgan Wade. And, like, what she does with her life is her business. But she always seems so surprised that anyone would ever think that there's, like, anything. Anything going on beyond just a close friendship there. I'm like, but you're the one who's actually exceedingly jealous, who's tracking Mauricio's every single move. And then you're shocked that anyone would dare to even raise an eyebrow, what you're doing.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. I mean, I guess my question would be like, so these DMS that Were so bad. Were they before or after Morgan skin? You know, that would feel like. Who started it? I think that's an important thing to ask when people are fighting, you know, like. Because from what we've seen, Kyle started it, but who knows? Because we don't know any information. So then she says, you know, like, I just want you to know I do know every crumb. And Andy says, did you. Do you still? And Kathy's like, oh, she doesn't care anymore. She. She really doesn't care. And so she says she stopped looking at. But now they talk about the Aspen photo where he was making out with a girl at the airport. And she's like, well, I don't feel angry, you know, I mean, it was, like, jarring at first because, you know, it's my husband of all these years. And so he was with another woman, but angry? No. No.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Sad? No.

[Sutton Stracke]

Devastated? No. No.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. And then Andy is like, okay, well.

[Erika Jayne]

When public speculation went into overdrive, you started to question things, and you even.

[Kyle Richards]

Talk to your daughters about it.

[Erika Jayne]

Tell me about that.

[Kyle Richards]

Because don't forget that Kyle said that she's not. She's not a lesbian. But then, because the public thought she was, she started to think that maybe she was. So it's basically us that caused that. And so Kyle's like, yeah, I mean, Kyle, we've.

[Sutton Stracke]

We've thought that you were an. For years and years, and you've never considered that, but suddenly lesbianism comes into it, and you take that at face value. Give me a break.

[Kyle Richards]

Yeah. She's like, maybe that. Maybe I'm missing something. So then Kathy just starts to crack up because she's, like, very uncomfortable with this entire topic about Kyle possibly being a lesbian. So she just reacts by laughing uncontrollably.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. And they're like, what is it? It's like. I mean, it's hilarious. Did you know that people talk about scissoring? Do you know what that is? I've never heard about it before. And they're like, what are you laughing about? She's. I mean, look, I. You know, even I talk to my children about. About it. Like, about you being gay. And she's like, yeah, I was trying to help Kyle. What do you want from me? She's like, kelvin, please stop talking about this.

[Kyle Richards]

Kyle's like, like, you know, when the chatter first started happening before the music video and all that, I was like, never crossed my mind. But then, like, you know, look, I have a very specific type, and I started thinking, am I not seeing that? Am I. Is this, like, a crush? Is it, like, did the people make me do this? The people turn me into a lesbian? And then Kathy is just still laughing at everything, and Kyle's just trying to, again, kind of, like, squirm out of this one a little bit, you know?

[Sutton Stracke]

I mean, I talked to my girls, and they said, mom, it's 2013. When I said, wow. And Andy's like, you told your girls you're a lesbian too? And Kathy's like, yeah. You know, they just looked at me like I was an idiot. And Kathy. Kyle's like, shut up, Kathy. Just shut up. She goes, I don't want any help with this. I was. You know, it was just hard, you know, like, everyone was supportive. But then Portia told me, mom, you buy me amazing cars, and there's nothing you can do except stop buying me cars that would ever make me say I don't love you. And then he goes, that's what my.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Dad said to me when I came out.

[Sutton Stracke]

Like, I'm not coming out, Andy. I'm just saying, like, I'm questioning. Okay.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Yeah.

[Kyle Richards]

I then asked Portia, does this mean I'm invited to Panera Bread with you and your sister? And she said, no, mom, absolutely not. But we're getting there. We're getting there someday.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Final thoughts on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So, Jennifer Tilly, what was your most unexpected surprise this season? It can be good or bad. And she's like, my unexpected surprise was how many footage they shoot of me and then only use footage of Kyle. So that was something interesting.

[Erika Jayne]

You could probably film three seasons of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills put together with what we filmed.

[Kyle Richards]

And Kyle's like, don't give them any ideas, Jennifer. I'm like, yeah, please, seriously, don't. And then Kathy's like, well, I had amazing time. It was wonderful. What was the question again? It's like, what was your biggest surprise? Well, I think learning that I was actually a white woman, that was surprising. I mean, all this time, I felt the spirit of China through my veins, but. But turns out I'm not just a white lady.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Erica. Erica's answers.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I don't have a surprise, but I feel good. I feel good.

[Sutton Stracke]

Okay. Thanks for being here. And then Bose says she was surprised at everything. Everything. I mean, such a depth of emotion from all the ladies, how deeply they care about each other, how long of a scene you can shoot at a bench by a front door. That was shocking to me.

[Erika Jayne]

What about you, Dorit? Well, I was surprised that I think I found a friend for life. And that just how wonderful it's been getting to know Bose and having her in my life. And I honestly feel very, very, very blessed. And he's like, all right, cool, we'll see you. Can't wait till next season when you guys have a huge feud. All right, Sutton, what about you?

[Kyle Richards]

I'm sorry?

[Erika Jayne]

Garcelle. Garcelle, what about you?

[Sutton Stracke]

First, Garcelle's like, well, I was surprised in a good way about seeing more of Sutton and her mom. You know, that was really revealing and touching a lot of ways. Sutton. I think that I'm surprised by how much I love Erica. Puts. Puts up her hands, like, to cover Garcelle's face. Garcelle's not here. I only care about Erica, and I want to go to lunch with Erica. Okay. That's. It's like, wow, glad I wasted my answer on you. I could have plugged black girl missing 37.

[Kyle Richards]

What about you, Kyle? Well, I think, like, what surprised me the most was, like, about myself in these moments this year, like, walking out of Boses, I found myself surprised by my own behavior and, like, not really recognizing myself. And, like, you know, on the positive side of it, I feel, like, really, really strong now. Okay. And I'm just, like, happy that, like, I could store man of someone's house in a bathrobe, but my hair could still look pretty good. And he's like, okay, cool.

[Erika Jayne]

Well, next season, you'll be living Ross and Lisa Vanderpump dating who knows who. And I want to finish things off with a toast on the Fourth of July. There. This drink left a bad taste in some of your mouths, especially the alcoholic sitting right there. Son, that's you.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Jennifer Tilly, why don't you give us a toast? I was like, oh, well, normally I don't eat toast, but I will say there are friendships, there are big ships, there are relationships, there are chips. Chips. There's chips. There was a show. Chips that I actually really quite liked. You know, it wouldn't be nice to have sex with one of those gentlemen instead of the little sheriff man with the Confederate flag on his car. What were we talking about?

[Erika Jayne]

I don't know, but I just went to my childhood fantasy of Eric Estrada, and I've kind of checked out at this point. All right, so cheers.

[Sutton Stracke]

I got. I got chips mixed in with the Duke of Hazzard. Sorry.

[Kyle Richards]

I sort of. They're kind of, like, the same in a weird way.

[Sutton Stracke]

So they give a cheers, and everybody drinks their watermelon drink and he's like.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

Okay, and now, finally, we're gonna get everyone in this cast photo.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Garcelle's like, I'm out. And she just walks off.

[Erika Jayne]

He's like, what?

[Kyle Richards]

What? No.

[Erika Jayne]

Garcelle.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And Dorit's like, that is really unprofessional.

[Sutton Stracke]

You couldn't. Dorit. Calling anybody unprofessional is hilarious. Doesn't Dorit show up, like, two hours late to every single event, including her own, and then call everybody the C word? Dorit Coyote.

[Kyle Richards]

Jennifer.

[Erika Jayne]

Jennifer's like, well, we get better cut of Garcelle in the cast photo.

[Kyle Richards]

She's like, just Photoshop it. Come on.

[Sutton Stracke]

Sutton doesn't even consider running off. I know that lady left for you for your fake hospital trip last year, and you're just gonna sit there and take the pict? She's like, I want to get a picture. To Erica almost agreeing to have lunch with me. I'll talk to Garcelle later. I know.

[Kyle Richards]

I couldn't believe it.

[Erika Jayne]

I was like, sutton, go after her.

[Kyle Richards]

Go after her. So Garcelle has had enough, so she goes into her dressing room, and she's fuming, and she's like, guys, I'm not doing this. Camera person. I'm not doing this anymore. I don't want cameras here. I'm done. I don't want cameras. All right, cameras. You can say, I just had. Gives me 10 more seconds to plug black girl missing number 45.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Kyle's like, yeah, she's in, like, being called out for every little thing, you know? But, I mean, that's what we have to do there. Like, that's what we do here. Please don't anybody say anything to me. I have children.

[Kyle Richards]

I know. Kyle's one to talk, right? And Sun's like, I don't know. She was really unhappy this entire time. And both, like, she's unhappy. And Sonny goes, I. I don't know. I mean, I guess I could go after her to find out, but that's something that a friend does. And I think I want to start with my new friends, Erica and Kyle.

[Sutton Stracke]

So Garcelle's back there going, I'm just so sick of it. I mean, they're all, you know, and no one said, I understood what you were saying. And the fact that I owned how I felt about her situation with the house. No one liked that. Like, well, again, I don't know what kind of props you were expecting for accusing me.

[Kyle Richards]

It's a bold accusation. I like that she did it, but it's bold. And you're It's. It's gonna be. You're not gonna get a lot of, like, warmth from that, to be honest. But I think that she wanted. I think she wanted Sutton to back her up, because she's talked about it with Sutton before, and Sutton said nothing, you know?

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So she wants credit for being accountable for what she said, but they wouldn't give it to her.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

And then Erica's like, well, life is unfair. You know, we had it all unfair in this place. You get the beat out of you every year. Welcome. Welcome to work.

[Sutton Stracke]

And Kyle's like, yeah, that was, like, child's play. I mean, that was really child's play. So was asking about your marriage, Kyle, which you won't even discuss. Oh, my God.

[Kyle Richards]

I feel like there's a joke in there with Jennifer Tilly somehow, but I can't get to it. So Bose is like. I mean, did she say that we didn't smile at her because, like. Yeah. I mean, people were not exactly smiling. Like, we're not going to a birthday party today. Just.

[Erika Jayne]

It's not cool. And you know what? I say we take a photo.

[Sutton Stracke]

Yeah. So they do. And meanwhile, Garcelle's like, I'm done. I'm done. It's been an amazing ride. I'm grateful for the opportunity. Garcelle, out. See you later, suckers. And so she leaves, and the rest of them take a photo, and Sutton knocks on the door, but she's gone. It's like, she's late. What in the world? Yeah, Sutton, that's not really support coming when it's all done. Too late.

[Kyle Richards]

Too late. Because, you know, it didn't.

[Sutton Stracke]

We're supposed to have supper because it's Sutton, so that's what she cares about. Like, oh, yeah. Are we still eating? I mean. Yeah. No. No.

[Kyle Richards]

So that's how it ends. Garcelle leaves. She's sick of them. They're all fake. They're all dumb. They're so. They're all stupid. And she's out. She's out. Thanks, everyone, for being here this season. What a fun season. I really liked. I really liked the season of Beverly Hills. I thought it was great. I am sad to see Garcelle go, but I'm always excited for Fresh Blood, so we'll see how it goes. And we have our recap of the Valley premiere coming up later. We're going to record that right now, so stick around for that. We'll chat to you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Sutton Stracke]

Bye.

[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Erika Jayne]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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[Kyle Richards]

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[Sutton Stracke]

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