#2807 Summer House 0910 Part Two: Can’t Touch This

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Summary

Episode: #2807 Summer House 0910 Part Two: Can’t Touch This
Release Date: April 17, 2025
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam | Wondery

---

Episode Overview

In the second part of their two-part recap of Summer House episodes 09 and 10, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the intricate dynamics and heated confrontations among the cast members. The episode, titled "Can’t Touch This," offers listeners an engaging analysis of interpersonal relationships, personal struggles, and the overarching themes that drive the drama within the Summer House community.

---

Emeril’s Controversial Behavior

One of the central figures discussed is Emeril, whose actions have stirred considerable tension. Ronnie expresses frustration over Emeril’s repeated attempts to bring new women into the house, seeking approval from his male peers without fostering genuine connections with other house members.

Ronnie (02:19): "I kind of feel for him because this is, to me, so obvious that he's just trying to gain approval with the other dudes."

Ben adds that Emeril may be suffering from a lack of meaningful bonds within the house, pointing out a recurring issue where male cast members struggle to connect authentically with female members.

Ben (04:37): "Emeril kind of feels like another one of these one and done guys that comes through Summer House."

---

Paige and Craig’s Strained Relationship

The hosts shift focus to the tumultuous relationship between Paige and Craig. They analyze Paige’s struggle to balance her public persona and personal feelings, highlighting her desire to end the relationship without the added pressure of public scrutiny.

Ben (12:01): "She clearly wants out. And, like, by July, and she was. She clearly says here, like, I just want to pretend this isn't happening till after tour because I don't want to have to deal with the public."

Ronnie points out the manipulative timing of their breakup, suggesting that Paige is delaying her decision to avoid negative public backlash.

Ronnie (15:22): "Maybe leading on isn't the right word, but I don't think that this. She clearly wants to break up with Craig and she's clearly saying she's gonna put it off until she's gonna deal with the public outrage."

Both hosts agree that the relationship's breakdown is inevitable, emphasizing the incompatibility between Paige and Craig despite their efforts to maintain appearances.

---

Character Dynamics and Development

The episode also explores broader character developments within the house. Ben critiques the show's casting choices, noting a pattern where male characters either fail to connect with female members or remain transient figures within the social hierarchy.

Ben (08:29): "There have been a lot of men who've been cast on the show that, like, sort of come and go and they like, they're there, and then you forget about them."

Ronnie and Ben discuss the challenges male cast members face in forming lasting bonds, attributing it to inherent difficulties in balancing personal desires with group cohesion.

---

Notable Quotes

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie share insightful and often humorous remarks that encapsulate the essence of the discussions:

• Ronnie (02:03): "We need electrolytes."
• Ben (06:00): "I don't know. That seems."
• Ronnie (07:33): "You don't need to have a big emotional excuse to want to fucking, you know, I think you're allowed just go fuck."
• Ben (16:18): "The logistics of this was were never going to work out."
• Ronnie (17:01): "It is nice to finally get that off our chests."

These quotes highlight the hosts' candid and often blunt approach to dissecting the show's drama, providing listeners with a relatable and entertaining perspective.

---

Themes and Insights

Can’t Touch This delves into themes such as the quest for approval, the impact of public perception on personal relationships, and the struggle between authentic connections versus superficial interactions. Ben and Ronnie offer a critical lens on how reality TV magnifies personal conflicts, turning private struggles into public spectacles.

They also reflect on the show's portrayal of relationships, questioning the sustainability of connections formed under the constant gaze of cameras and audience expectations. The hosts emphasize the importance of genuine bonds over performative actions, a recurring issue they observe within the Summer House cast.

---

Conclusion

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide a thorough and engaging analysis of Summer House episodes 09 and 10. Their insightful commentary on character interactions, relationship dynamics, and overarching themes offers both entertainment and thoughtful critique for listeners, whether they're longtime fans or newcomers to the show.

---

For more insightful recaps and discussions on Bravo and other reality TV shows, tune into Watch What Crappens on the Wondery App or your preferred podcast platform.

Transcript

[Ronnie]

So I just redid a patio and my patio. Not just any patio, my patio. And I thought, this is going to be so hard to get all these different pieces. But it wasn't because I went to Wayfair. I got all of my tables, all of my chairs, space heaters. I mean, I got everything right from Wayfair and it's all top quality, fantastic stuff.

[Ben]

That's because it's home project season, Ronnie. And Wayfair is the best kept secret for all things renovation and beautifying.

[Ronnie]

And I really love a modern style, and I can find that so easily on Wayfair. They've got every style there.

[Ben]

You did your patio. I did my. I made my office into a podcasting studio, and I did it with Wayfair as well.

[Ronnie]

There's something for every style in every home, no matter your space or budget.

[Ben]

Wayfair makes it easy to tackle your spring home goals with endless inspiration for every space and budget, whether you need a light refresh or an organization overhaul.

[Ronnie]

Free and easy delivery, even on the big stuff. They even help you set it up. Shop the best selection of home improvement online. Get renovating with wayfair. Head to wayfair.com right now. That's W A Y-F A I R.com wayfair every style, every home.

[Ben]

When a young woman named Desiree vanishes without a trace, the trail leads to Kat Torres, a charismatic influencer with millions of followers. But behind the glamorous posts and inspirational quotes, a sinister throughout unravels. Binge all episodes of Don't Cross Cat early and ad free on Wondery. Plus, who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.

[Ronnie]

Back in the living room, west and Lexi are talking and she's like, you know what we. You know what we need? He's like, to be murdered. That's how I feel right now. I'm so hungover. I'm wearing my hungover headband. It's like my hungover headband.

[Ben]

No, silly.

[Ronnie]

We need electrolytes.

[Ben]

Question. Can we put lip liner on electrolytes?

[Ronnie]

Sierra is telling Carl outside that she's so over Emeril. Like, he brought another girl back last night and she just left and she's. And he's like, dude, like, you're New here. Like, you come quite literally with a bang. So, like, oh, speak of the fucking devil. Here he is now. And Emeril comes, and all the guys are there now. I think most of the guys are there, or at least Carl and Kyle have joined, so she could just go straight for it. She's like, what's going on? He says, oh, how are you? And she's like, yeah, so we heard you having fun last night. So do you do like this. Are you like this in your own home? Because, like, it's obnoxious at this point. Whoa. Okay. Those are some big guns.

[Ben]

He's like, wow, I didn't even know you knew my name. Yeah, I thought about that. You know, I was. I'm like, just trying to be, as Carl would say, mindful about, you know, not bringing someone back. And she goes, yeah, when did you have that thought? And when did you plan on executing that thought? Which was a great question. Great dual question, because we saw, by the way, the day before, he had told the guys at, like, Kyle's party, like, yeah, I'm gonna take a break this weekend. And then they laughed. He goes, yeah, probably not.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And then they, like, laughing that he's definitely gonna bring someone home. So he's like, already, you know, spewing. And she's like, yes. So I know that's, like, a nice thing to say, but when are you actually gonna do the thing that you're saying? Right now?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And he's like, listen, I'm just trying to have fun. And she says, well, I mean, it's a matter of, like, who you're bringing into this house. Like, this is crazy. And so he's like, wow, okay, well, does anybody else feel that way? And this sucks for him because nobody's gonna go up against Sierra, right?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And because she's hot, the guys are all quiet. She's not. They know not to with Sierra when, you know she's not having it. So they just, like, sit there and kind of smile awkwardly. And they've been the ones kind of encouraging this whole time, you know? And I kind of feel for him because this is, to me, so obvious that he's just trying to gain approval with the other dudes. It's like, yeah, look, I'm like, someone else. I had a threesome. And they're like, yeah, he's a beast. Right? Every time he comes home with someone, they're like, yeah, you beast. He laid another one. And now he's. When he's confronted, they're like, yeah, it's kind of gross, you know, look like, yeah, totally on your side. So.

[Ben]

But it also feels like he's like not making bonds with other people in the house. And so he's like new and he's just like, doesn't care about like the late night bonding moments or whatever. He's just about getting some ass. So then Sarah's like, yeah, these are just my thoughts. And Carl's like, well, I mean, we've definitely never had the volume of visitors like this, I guess you could say. Yeah, volume actually as well. A lot of volume. We care. They've really, you know, I guess the closer, the higher the hair, the closer to God. I think that's what they say. It's mindful, it's functional hair.

[Ronnie]

So Jesse says, you know, I think every once in a while it's fine, but like, you know, I mean, maybe an away game. Maybe an away game could be good for you sometimes, you know.

[Ben]

And so he's like, okay, cool. And so then Emeril tells us now Emerl is where he shares the, the tragic backstory to his manhor ways. He's like, you know, I'm not sorry I brought one, one girl home if we were vibing having a good time, but I'm not going to keep doing it if it's bothering everyone. You know, from ages 6 to 23, I was undocumented and I was in the shadow. Big part of what I'm doing is just living a bit more freely and it feels good. I want that to be part of who I am, but I don't want it to be everything that I. That I am. Ah, the classic Coming to America story. You work hard enough, you can sleep with anyone you want.

[Ronnie]

Got a green card, 900 people. That's just how it goes.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's how it goes.

[Ronnie]

You know, I was terrified every time I somebody, they were going to ask for my driver's license every single time. But now I'm everybody I see. I don't know, it's a. It's a weird. It's a weird connection. But I was glad, you know, I thought it was big of him to just kind of take it and be like, okay, I didn't know you felt like that. Now I know you feel like that and I'll make a change. And it kind of made her look more like an. Because she was like, noah's mad at you, bye. And he's like, okay, well, good talk. She's like, yeah, good talk. And you know, I mean, look at the end of the day he does have a right to. And calling him out in front of every, you know, all the other dudes was not great. She has the right to do that too. I don't know. I kind of felt for him.

[Ben]

I didn't. I didn't feel.

[Ronnie]

Felt kind of.

[Ben]

I. I didn't feel bad for him, and I didn't feel. I didn't feel even. I felt neither way. I didn't feel like, oh, I feel so bad for him, or like, aha, got him. I just was like, okay, fine. Because I do feel like, again, he's allowed to have. He's allowed to bring back whoever he wants. But I think that he is clearly lacking in. In prioritizing relationships in the house, which is why it's causing friction. And I thought that his excuse that he was undocumented for so many years, so now he's gonna have huge amounts of sex because he's gonna live out loud. I was like, I don't know. That. That seems. I understand the idea of, like, you had to live in the shadows for so long, so now you're happy to live freely. But to me, I think then, like, then adding. And that's why I'm gonna have threesomes every weekend.

[Ronnie]

You don't need a little bit of a stretch. You don't need to have, like, a big emotional excuse to want to fucking, you know, I think you're allowed just go fuck. Like, I don't need you bringing in, like, the trauma storyline for the reason that you need to fuck so many like, that I didn't like. But I think in general, you know, it is maybe sex shamey. I don't know. I feel weird saying that because it also is manners. But as far as his bonding with everybody else, we do see him. He opens up to people. Like, he tells him about his story. I think he's shared a lot of kind of intimate details with them. Maybe intimate is not the right word in this situation, but he's shared a lot of details with them. But I think you're right in the way that. That he's not bonding with them, because part of bonding with them is hanging out when you're drunk late at night. And when he's drunk late at night, he's always some rando, so he's missing that part of it. He's doing the hanging out sober and sharing the trauma, but he's not doing the, you know, falling down in the kitchen late at night, watching Carl pee his name in the snow or what? Or the grass.

[Ben]

I Think what's. What's interesting is this season has a real. I mean, this show has a really spotty track record of casting strong male characters. There have been a lot of men who've been cast on the show that, like, sort of come and go and they like, they're there, and then you forget about them. There was Alex, there was Chris. There was the guy from season two. There was Jordan. And a lot of times, I think the guys that come onto the show bond with the other guys, but they struggle to connect with the women. And so if they can't connect with the women, they just. They're here and then they're gone. They just don't last very long. I think, you know, the only successful male castings I think they've ever had have been west and Jesse and Luke. And then after that, like, they just can't seem. Because it's really hard to, like, I think men. There are a lot. A lot of men who have difficulty, like, hanging out with women. And so I think that's. I think Emerald is just one of those guys that we're seeing to a certain extent, at least from what we see, because we can only go off of what the show presents to us. But Emeril kind of feels like another one of these one and done guys that comes through Summer House. Although Jordan got two seasons, but Jordan was also hilarious because he was a. He was a pathological liar. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Remember when I. Judith Light on the bus. That was amazing. That was amazing. There's a tour bus. Yeah, she was touring with Dolly Parton at the time. She was. You know, she was incredible at making LEGO structures. And the first time I saw her make a big Lego, I was like, you're my Judith. And so, you know, I let her finger me in the bus. And it was embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

[Ben]

But I'm still the number one guy on Hinge.

[Ronnie]

Paige's room. Sierra goes in and she's like, yeah, I just ripped into Emeril. I was like, do you have any type of standard, like, okay, listen, you've dated Austin.

[Ben]

Yeah, The.

[Ronnie]

That's really. That's like, literally the end.

[Ben]

That's it.

[Ronnie]

You dated Austin in a period where Austin was grosser than he's ever been. Like, you fought for Austin. You know what I mean? Like, you fought for Austin when he was at the most disgusting point he's ever been in on television and not saying something.

[Ben]

So Paige is like, literally, I have to focus on my breathing, otherwise I don't breathe. Like, watch.

[Ronnie]

Sierra's like, hold on, let me get your little pin. She, like, puts a little fingers up to her mouth, like, up to her nose. She's like, you can do this.

[Ben]

You can do this.

[Ronnie]

Oh, my God.

[Ben]

That was the worst.

[Ronnie]

And this one, Sierra says. Oh, sorry, what'd you say?

[Ben]

Emeril made me stop breathing. Sorry. Come on.

[Ronnie]

I stopped breathing. I stopped breathing because Emeril's a whore.

[Ben]

So what was Sierra say?

[Ronnie]

Sierra? This is when Sierra says, like, I can't stand that feeling.

[Ben]

I hate when you're like this. I just hate it. And they both are, like, crying together. And Paige is like, I'm just, like, nervous that Greg is gonna, like, forget on me and be like, you're such a fucking bitch. I just want you. I just want to go home. And then he's gon break up with me, and then I'll never have to go to Charleston anymore. Am I still crying? Because I actually kind of feel like I'm laughing now. Oh, my God. I've never been happier at this thought.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So she tells us again that she feels like Craig minimizes her line of work and she doesn't want to ever speak up with him. And the. You know, she used to feel like if they broke up, she would be villainized and the public opinion would be that Craig is so much better off without her. Well, you know, that's why you need to choose Instagram over Facebook to read comments.

[Ben]

It's all. Yes. Also, it's a good idea to check in with your producers and find out which show is going to air first, because whichever show air second is going to be the lasting impression. So guess what? Summer House is going to air after airs after Southern Charm. And so this is going to be the narrative that's going to stick with the public. So congratulations, Paige. You're going to wind up on top.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And so she feels like if she gets on the public's bad side, she's going to lose everything, and then she's not going to have a career over Craig. Which sucks to feel, but it's also not a cool reason to stay with somebody, you know, especially when he's like, oh, my God, Paige and I are gonna be married in 10 minutes. You're like, oh, my God. I don't want your fans to hate me, so I will lead you on until my tour is over.

[Ben]

Yes. Watching Paige is, like, thriving right now. She was just on Fallon this week. She's doing like they. Paige and Hannah did, like, the Vanity Fair red carpet for the Oscars. Like, they are Killing it.

[Ronnie]

And I.

[Ben]

And I think that Craig would have been an anvil tied to her ankle and would have just Dr. Right down. And what's interesting with this is that this is. This is obviously shot last summer, and that's when Southern Charm was shot, too. And there's no indication from Craig that this relationship is going through the shitter. But we see that Paige is, like, struggling here, like, really struggling. So for people who thought that Paige was just being callous or just, like, dumped him or whatever, you see that she is like, that she is going through it. And you see now, like, everything that we picked up on on the Southern Charm recaps with her in, like, looking at the bees. They're coming down to Charleston. You can. Now we're seeing what she's really going through. And I guess what. I guess what I'm trying to get to. On this is that, like. I guess anyone who thinks that Paige is, like, you know, was so mean to Craig, like, you can see that this was not just some calculated, callous thing. It's that she was. She really felt trapped.

[Ronnie]

Well, yeah, but it also is illustrating that she clearly wanted out. And, like, by July, and she was. She clearly says here, like, I just want to pretend this isn't happening till after tour because I don't want to have to deal with the public, basically. And so she's. She kind of leads him on for a good half a year because. And that's not really cool either. And then we see Craig just also being completely delusional because she has been honest with him about what she's feeling. And Craig just is like, no, I'm hearing exactly what I want to hear. What she's saying is she doesn't want to get married before tour, but after tour, she totally wants to get married. Like, he's taking in his own delusional Craig way.

[Ben]

He is. I don't see her as leading her leading him on what I see it as. Because to me, leading on is almost a little bit more malicious or a little bit more premeditated. I see it as that she's just avoidant and. Which could be interpreted as on his end of feeling led on. But I think she just was like, oh, God, this is gonna be tough and annoying. And my. Everything in my life is so good right now. I just don't feel like dealing, like, with shit at this moment. Let me. Let me wait until the time when everyone loves to deal with heavy, shitty, emotional things. The holidays.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. And it's also show timing, which is what you're talking about, like, if she breaks up with him in the middle of Southern charm shooting, then she's gonna have to really deal with a whole Craig victim storyline on his show and villainizing her the whole time on his show when she's just kind of wait for all that to pass, like, let's.

[Ben]

Wait till the summers are down.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I agree. Maybe leading on isn't the right word, but I don't think that this. She clearly wants to break up with Craig and she's clearly saying she's gonna put it off until she's gonna deal with the public outrage. So I don't know that that's totally bad on her. I'm not. I'm not even really judging it.

[Ben]

I don't even know.

[Ronnie]

I know I'm a judgy, but I'm not really even judging, like, her or anything like that. I'm just saying, you know, she's not like some little angel either, you know? And I think in the whole Paige and Craig thing, it's. You have to choose a side, right? Because it's somebody breaking up. And especially on Bravo, so you're like, someone had to villainize the other person. And I think these two words, it's like, clearly incompatible for so long, and it was good for TV for a long time, and they knew that. They had the public support and all of that. And that makes it more acceptable to be in something when you know it's not. When you're like the Bravo couple of. The darling couple of Bravo, then it's easier to stay in something even when you personally know it's not.

[Ben]

Right.

[Ronnie]

So we always.

[Ben]

We always knew this.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

The logistics of this was were never going to work out. There were like 85% there, but like, that last 15%, maybe even 90%, that last 10%, like, it's not nothing and they just. You just can't get by it. And I think that ultimately they were able to look past the. That long distance thing or whatever, but eventually it's just. You can't keep kicking that can down the. Down the road. And whatever other thoughts I had on this, I forgotten because I had.

[Ronnie]

I'm sure we'll go into another half an hour discussion that people desperately need at this point. Months.

[Ben]

You know what? You know what I'm really glad at? I'm really glad that after all this time, we finally got to talk about Paige and Craig.

[Ronnie]

It is nice. It's nice to finally get that off our chests. It is interesting how it changes a little every time. I feel like Paige is very private about what she's actually feeling. Like she's very good at curating what she decides to put on camera. And she's been very good with Craig and teaching him how to do it. Because Craig was a goddamn mess before he met her on tv. I mean, he was failing left and right. And so I think she's very carefully curated. So it's interesting to watch Paige slowly reveal more and more, you know, because she did some. She hasn't revealed any of this before. Like, the breakup's happening. We've suspected it. Or like I've said I've suspected stuff like this before, but she's never really said it. So I think it is interesting. You know, it's new information. Okay.

[Ben]

It is very. It's really cool seeing this like breakup from like two different shows on two different perspectives. Like, I think that's actually, it's low key. Like, very fascinating what's happening with this relationship on Bravo. Like, that's something that scandal did not give us. Scandal was. Scandal was riveting because we saw where this situation was heading to and we got to see an entire season of like, you know, Tom Sandoval's fakery. And you're like, oh my God, all the signs are there. But in this case it's more like, wow, how cool to see a relationship should fall apart from literally two different perspectives on reality tv.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So then just like Russian sci fi, am I right?

[Ronnie]

So she says, yeah, it's just a lot. And now I'm supposed to get my period today. I mean, come on, it's time for a commercial. It's time for a Grappens commercial.

[Ben]

It's springtime. I've got a travel itch. Which works out well since we are actually traveling for tour and being on tour for our show. That means I've got to come up with a lot of good looks for myself because I want to try to look as cool as possible on stage. And thankfully I have been able to find all sorts of first class quality stuff at an economic price tag from Quint's.

[Ronnie]

Yep, Quint's Quince is where it's at. Lightweight shirts and shorts from 30 bucks. Pants for any occasion, comfortable lounge sets.

[Ben]

And the best part, all Quint's Items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands.

[Ronnie]

By partnering directly with top factories, Quint's cuts out the cost of the middleman and passes the savings on to us.

[Ben]

And Quint only works with factories, factories that use safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices. I love that. And you know what I also love is that not only do I get great apparel there, you can also get like luggage and duffel bags and things like that. So like, it's truly like a great place to go for your travel needs.

[Ronnie]

For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from quints go to quints.com crappens for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Krappins to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Kravins At 24, I lost my narrative.

[Ben]

Or rather it was stolen from me, and the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to, and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Some people get a wild haircut or book a spontaneous trip when life throws them a curveball. But Molly?

[Ronnie]

Well, she dove headfirst into a world.

[Ben]

Of no strings attached sex, secret rendezvous, forbidden affairs and unforgettable adventures. And together we tell every juicy detail in Dying for Sex, Wondry's award winning podcast that's now streaming on a TV near you, starring Michelle Williams and Jenny Slate. And to top it off, we're dropping brand new bonus episodes where I sit down with the cast to spill all the spicy secrets, desire, friendship, self discovery and the ultimate bucket list of pleasure. This is a story that had everyone talk, talking, listen to the original Dying for Sex and brand new episodes on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge the original series before anyone else and completely ad free on Wonder Plus. Everyone has that friend who seems kind of perfect for Patty. That friend was Desiree. Until one day I texted her and.

[Ronnie]

She was not getting the Text. So I went to Instagram. She has no Instagram anymore. And Facebook. No Facebook anymore.

[Ben]

Desiree was gone. And there was one person who knew the answer. I am a spiritual person, a magical person, a witch, A gorgeous Brazilian influencer called Kat Torres, but who was hiding a secret from Wondery. Based on my smash hit podcast, from Brazil comes a new series, Don't Cross Kat, about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb.

[Ronnie]

Suburb.

[Ben]

I'm calling to check on the two.

[Ronnie]

Missing Brazilian girls, maybe get some undercover crew there.

[Ben]

The family are freaking out.

[Ronnie]

They are lost.

[Ben]

I'm Chico Felitti. You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ronnie]

So then, time for brunch. And Amanda's really done the table. Nice. She's made nice food. And Lindsay comes in in a little sash they gave her. It's like, oh, my God. Birthday girl of the birthday. And so the producer says, lindsay, is this where you thought you'd be at 38? It's like, wow. No.

[Ben]

That laugh that she gave was so intense and so scary. I was like, oh, my God.

[Ronnie]

This whole section was so Lindsay. And they're like, well, you know. And she goes, no, I think that timeline ended when I was, like, 36. And we see the timeline that she wrote where she's like, in one year, I'm going to be engaged to Stravi, and the next year I'm going to have babies. And then the next year we're going to build a house with babies, and the next year, we're going to build a house on babies. And she's like, yeah, I'm only made one list, and you guys are never going to let me forget it. And then they show four lists, and they literally say, list number one, list number two, list number three.

[Ben]

So they sing happy birthday to her. Paige and Sierra, like, crash the whole song. And then Lindsay's like, amanda, sing it out.

[Ronnie]

I don't think she can hear the words. She's got cue cards written on. It's like, lindsay, this is what we're singing to you. Happy birthday. Can you read this?

[Ben]

Does anyone have an old jazz standard we can put on to make her happy? So Lindsay's like, thank you so much for preparing this beautiful breakfast with, like, black French toast is being a voorhees. Then we see West. West is. He's hungover, so he's. He's struggling there at the table. And, you know, it's. It's funny.

[Ronnie]

They ask Lindsay if Turner's gonna take her somewhere. And she goes, yeah, he, like, planned it, like, a month and a half ago because that's, like, how he is. Like, he's really fancy, you guys. And she just says it casually. But then it cuts to Carl being like, because I'm not fancy. Guess Lindsay's saying I'm not fancy right now. I wish he'd said that softer.

[Ben]

Whoa. Lil says I'm really fancy. So then Lindsay's like, yeah, I'm kind of interested to see what Turner does, because, like, I don't want to say I judge a guy based on how they treat my birthday, but, like, I kind of judge a guy based on how they treat my birthday. And, like, any small moments I have.

[Ronnie]

With him, I'm, like, good with.

[Ben]

And then we see a flashback to Stravi when he did that whole, like, that whole birthday thing in the backyard and got her, like, fish and chips that were just, like, cold. And now, like, the. The coating had gone soft. And she's like, this is beautif. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

She's like, thank you. All mad, eating a fry, all pissed off. But didn't he also give her that painting that year? Or is that a different guy? Like, he had a painting commissioned of her and she was like, ew. A painting? Gross. Who paints when we have pictures?

[Ben]

It was a all around failure on Stravi's part.

[Ronnie]

I remember being pissed at Lindsay for that. I was like, a man got you a painting commissioned of you. That's huge. Like, that's amazing. I mean, to say somebody didn't put thought into something when they had a whole fucking painting done of you, that was just crazy. And she's like, I would get a helicopter for me. That's what I would do.

[Ben]

Stravi and his little desk, we, like, sat on the crate and the only shot that they had of him was, like, through a mirror in the corner of the room. Those were the days.

[Ronnie]

So Justin's like, so how do you feel about your birthday next year with the wee one? Are you gonna, like, bring it here? Are we gonna have, like, a baby in the house? And Wes just looks terrified. He's like, please, no.

[Ben]

I don't know if I trust you all with my baby, actually. And you just know Danielle's going to be as the. Come back as the nanny next season. She'll be like, I'm here. I'm ready. I just got off the train. I'm ready to take care of the baby however you need me.

[Ronnie]

Me and the baby are in Club Send it What? The baby's trying to crawl out of Club Send it. I can't even keep a baby here.

[Ben]

The baby's, like, all day.

[Ronnie]

Wah, wah.

[Ben]

So they're all joking about babysitting and things like that. And Wes is horrified. And in the foyer now, west is, like, lying on that bench in the foyer, just. He's so hungover. And Paige brings her roller down the stairs like, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong. Oh, sorry. I know you're really hungover, and I know this is really loud for you, so apologies. Oh, wait a second. I think I left something at the top of my stairs. Got to bring my bag with me.

[Ronnie]

He's like, it probably would have been more comfortable if you just drop the bag down onto my head. Paige, don't tempt me. Yeah, like, don't even give me the option, west.

[Ben]

Let's try it out.

[Ronnie]

Lexi's bedroom. Jesse comes in, and he's like, oh, yeah, Just getting ready for a little Shabbat action in the car. Hope you're ready for it. So he's like, lay one on me, baby. And so he says, I don't like fighting with you. She's like, I was not fighting. You were fighting. You were like, I love you. Remember when you said that?

[Ben]

He's like, yeah, I was drunk and sleepy, and you were like, tell me you love me. No, he's a liar. Yeah, he is a liar. Jesse always tells me he loves me, like, all the time.

[Ronnie]

And I'm like, But, like, not in.

[Ben]

Front of other people. So, like, Jesse's been, like, telling me that for, like, a long time. But, like, only in private. It. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

She goes, yeah, we've been say. He's been saying I love you for a long time. It is week four, Lexi. It is week four. So the producer asked how long they were together before he said it, and she's like, 11 days. So did you know each other 11 days, or were you together 11 days? Because I don't know. I don't know how she does her math, but I don't know why it matters. But she's like, it's been a long time, but if it was 11 days after you started getting together, that would have been. And week two, you guys committed, right? And it's week four. So if it was 11 days and it's been three days that he's been telling you. You see what I'm getting at? Like, I just don't understand this girl. I don't. I don't get Her. So then she's like, yeah. Like, I'm obviously like, I love him saying I love you. But, like, right now I'm just, like, trying to speed up, like, how I'm feeling too, you know, to meet him, like, where he's at and just seeing where, like, everything kind of goes. I just want to see where everything goes.

[Ben]

So. So she's like, yeah, you said, like. Because you were like, it hurts me. And he's like, it's true. Like, it's like blue balls for love. Like, it's emotional blue balls. Like there's no release. I just, like, love you so much. So everyone says bye and everyone goes back to the city. We get Trixie Monocle being like, I'm gonna do it. Make it bigger, better than ever before.

[Ronnie]

Gonna do it. So now we're having coffee, a coffee Roma with Lexi, who's a model, the chiron tells us, and she's with her mom and her sister Tiffany. And then.

[Ben]

Yeah, they. This is. This is really like a showcase for. It's. It's like, you know when you go into, like, Macy's or something, and you walk by, like, the, like the. The cosmetics area. And, like, there's always someone who's, like, trying to give, like, free. Like, like do the makeup thing and everything. And they just. Their faces, like, they've been there all day, so they've got nothing to do but add more and more makeup to their face. So by like, 3pm, they just look like they're doing, like. They're like an anchor person for, like, the Clown Network.

[Ronnie]

Yes. My best friend used to work at Saks. She was a makeup person. It's Aileen. She used to be a makeup person at Saks. Sometimes I would come in there and I was like, what are you in Toddlers and Tiaras? What are you. What are you doing?

[Ben]

Are you about to do synchronized swimming? Why is there so much makeup on your face right now?

[Ronnie]

You don't have to wear it all. She's like, but it's all free. It's all here. I can try anything.

[Ben]

So Lexi is saying how, like, her sisters moved in into her two bedroom apartment, of course. And then her mom is also always visiting. And because it's important to keep the team together because they have to go to, like, like, meetings and stuff and make sure, like, everything is all right.

[Ronnie]

I mean, you're a model like me. You need, like, a team, and you need a team around you at all times. So my sister's there and then my mom's there and it's like, all of us, like, I don't even know where we sleep because, like, my sister has a room, but then my mom doesn't have a room, but we all end up in the same bed anyway. Here's where you all need to end up. The same hairdresser. And you all need. You need to get your mother and your sister's hair fixed because they both look like frizzy frazzy home bleached. What are you letting. Why are you letting your team walk around like that? I get that they only come to New York sometimes, but do they have to go to Fantastic Sam's before they come? New York has salons. Fix their hair, you basic bees. And then they're all like, oh, my God. Espresso martinis. Oh, my God, you guys are so.

[Ben]

I know everything.

[Ronnie]

Were they out of Cosmopolitans?

[Ben]

It was so embarrassing. Oh, my God. They're like, just three girls. So then Lexi's mom was like, oh, my God. I remember when I had to drop. I remember dropping you off in New York City. I left you off at that model apartment, and I just felt so hopeless. And I drove home and I thought, my girl is in a model apartment. How am I ever going to hell?

[Ronnie]

It's like we would FaceTime you every day. I remember that, honey. We'd FaceTime you. And I would just sob and be like, honey, put on more lip liner. Please put on more lip liner. Do it for me. And then they all start cry. She's like, I'm crying now. I'm like, sick. Oh, my God, mom, now you're gonna make me cry. And then Tiffany's like, I'm crying too. And she's not, but she's holding a napkin to her, to her dear, like, she is. I make fun of these people a lot. I love Tiffany now. She is so crazy faced. And also they seem legit. Like they love each other, which I think is nice.

[Ben]

I have to say, I agree. When she told the story about how, like, they, like, they're in the same apartment, but they usually wind up in the same bed together, I was like, like, rolling my eyes, but secretly I was also kind of like, that's actually adorable.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Because you expect when you see a character like Tiffany, you know, Tiffany, like, she doesn't get the same money to do her hair, her makeup, her clothes, or her face. And she looks crazy. And she's, like, got that big smile where she. And you just. I assumed that she was going to be that bitter sister who, like, has to work for the Model. And you know, they live off the model. And she. Part of her wants that sister to die. Like, that's the kind of energy I like, you know, where she's like, I work for my assistant sister. She's a fat, isn't she? But it's not. She's actually really loves her sister. I'm like, they want to support the sister. It's weird.

[Ben]

I know. Don't forget they're Canadian. That means they're just very nice people. They're very nice. The sister Tiffany is hilarious to me. I mean, I really like that when she puts on her makeup every day, she's like, you know what? Today I want this makeup to make me look like the FAO Schwartz clock. And she does it and she succeeds every time.

[Ronnie]

I want to look like the anime version of Tom Hanks in that weird movie about the train.

[Ben]

Animated Express.

[Ronnie]

But what is it? What is it called?

[Ben]

Cgi.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, whatever.

[Ben]

Express.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. I want to look like cgi Tom Hanks. Okay. But yeah, Tiffany. It's just so funny that mom's like, we're crying now, Tiffany. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm crying too.

[Ben]

The family that cries together puts on lip liner together. So. So now we go to the American Cancer Society at Hope. We're going to the Hope Lodge where Jesse is putting on an event for Hope Lodge. Hope Lodge is a place where people can stay for free if they're getting cancer treatments in New York City. Because it's really expensive to stay in New York City. So it's a lot of people.

[Ronnie]

How many people are gonna see this show and try and pull a cancer card? You know they are. Cause it's so expensive to stay there. I was like, I know.

[Ben]

I also think it's just a nice place, actually.

[Ronnie]

And you get cookies with dinner.

[Ben]

It is really nice. And it's a great counterpoint to Summer House, which I often call the Hopeless Lodge. So it's nice to see the real one, the positive one.

[Ronnie]

Josh, he gives us this thing. It's his charity thing for the year. She's like, yeah, you know, Hope Lodge, I had cancer. I'm helping out. You know, it's good to get back. So the friends are all coming to support him. And that's nice. And Lindsay's there and she's like. And she's the only one who actually looks like she works there for some reason because she's got that full on apron on and she. She's. I guess maybe because she's pregnant too. And she's like, what do you want?

[Ben]

But also like Lindsay helping out. She goes, okay, I'm gonna help out. I'm stir this lemonade and there's like a little pitcher of lemonade. She just takes a spoon and swirls it. I was like, great effort there. Lindsay. You really chose the hardest task you could do for this charity. Putting a spoon in a pitcher and swirling it.

[Ronnie]

And Sierra says, this is the most wholesome thing we've ever done. Like, good for us. We need to do more. I'm not going to, but we should. I hope you guys don't mind. I'm just gonna put all the contents of my purse on top of this buffet.

[Ben]

So Jesse makes a nice little speech about his journey and how the perspective he got from going through cancer, which is very nice. And there's a lady who's crying. It's a nice moment. And then afterwards, Sierra's talking to Carl about Montauk and Sierra's saying Carl's like, so I met a cute girl there in Montauk and we just had like a lot of fun and it felt good to get back in the saddle, learn how to date again and yeah, we'll sleep over. And finally broke the street. See where it goes. So basically he had sex, which is fine, but like he just what? Here's why I got annoyed because Carl is acting like all these things that he's all he's done like for the past, you know, 15 to 20 years of his life, probably 20 to 25 years of his life. He's acting like, oh my God, how do I do it again when he was only off the market for like, like 18 months and he's like, oh guys, I had sex, I had sex again. I did it. But like, you know, in that moment he wasn't like, oh, treat me, treat me carefully. He was just like, yeah, let's, let's, you know, because you know, cuz the cameras weren't there, I really believe they went on a date and they had sex. But he's like, guys, I got past my intimacy issues and I finally made love to a woman softly.

[Ronnie]

Well, sober sex is different. I will say if you, especially if you've only had non sober sex, you're like, oh God, I have to do this sober. That's very different. So maybe it's that he makes it sound like it's all Lindsay, but I think it's partly, it's partly that too. You know, you have to relearn, relearn it when you're not up. So. But yeah, he is like, oh my God, you guys, I finally gotten to that point where I could stick my wiener in something. They're like, oh my God, Carl, you deserve your own parade. And so then Jesse and Sierra are joking around and she kind of jokingly grabs his arm. She's like, ahaha. And he's like, sierra, enough with the touching. Come on.

[Ben]

And she's like, wait, really? She has to look like, are you serious right now? Yeah, because I'm the one who got yelled at last time. Like, you. You're so gross. Like, that's such a. Like, like you don't have to make her feel shitty because of your actions. And so she's like, sorry. Okay. So then she's like, no, no. He's like, yeah, stay, watch. Like, no, no. And she's basically like, yeah, last time I checked, you were the one who was touching me, right?

[Ronnie]

Because he's doing it so big that he's clearly doing it so Lexi will see him. You know, he's trying to do something like, performative for Lexi. And then later he can be like, lexi, you know, Sierra was all over me and I put a stop to it. I just want you to know about.

[Ben]

He's gonna villainize Sierra when it was like, not flirty at all and she's not interested in him that way, you know?

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So now we go to a place called the Glass Ceiling Rooftop where Paige, Amanda and Ciara gather and spend a lot of time ordering food in a disorganized way. I'll have a. I'll have a. I'll have a soda. I'll have a soda too. And also a water. And a water. And also some wings. Can I not have the soda? And you know what? Scratch the wings. I'll have celery sticks instead. Can I have the swings instead? And can I have another soda with that as well? And then you know what? I will have the wings after all. So we'll. Wings. No, celery sticks. Hold the celery sticks and add a burger to that. No burger for me though.

[Ronnie]

Sorry. I have anxiety. Sierra says, so this weekend we both shoot out Emerald. Well, I didn't, I didn't. I was basically like, are you keeping track? Like, why not save for like all the other days of the week? Like do. Only when I'm in the house trying to get sleep. Are you only people when I have anxiety? What is it?

[Ben]

Well, what's going on with Craig? Well, he came over and he asked how long, like, things are going to be like this, you know, with the tour and everything. And I was like, look, you are so valid in your feelings. They may be very dumb and very stupid, but you're valid, I guess. Not really. I mean, not in my eyes you're not valid, but to yourself, you're valid. And that, I guess that matters. But, like, when you say it like that, like, you're sort of also disregarding, like. Like, I'm, like, doing giggly squad things, and you're like, not. And, like, that's not cool. That make me feel bad about that.

[Ronnie]

You'Re valid and having feelings even when they're stupid feelings. So I just want you to know that, okay? Like, oh, Paige, my God, you're so nice. And Craig basically said, you know, she said, I feel kind of like you're disregarding my feelings. You know, like you're disregarding what I'm doing with your feelings. And she says that he said he understands that she feels undermined, but he. I just want to make sure that, like, you have time for me, you know, because I miss you. Yeah, well, anything I'm feeling, I don't have the bandwidth to deal with until after the tour. Like, I feel so weak for even saying that I have feelings because, like, but, you know, gross. But, you know, I do. And I just feel guilty because, you know, now I've said all that stuff on camera that I said to Sierra last week, and, ah, I just feel terrible.

[Ben]

So Sierra's like, well, guys, want to hear about this? So it was like, having a. You know, the. The. The charity event was, like, really nice. It was really sweet. But then I'm, like, cracking a joke with Jesse, and I touched his arm, and he's like, don't touch me. And I was like, are you serious? And he was like, yeah, because I'm the one who gets yelled at. And I was like, he got yelled at. I'm so jealous. And Sierra's like, yeah, it'd be different if I was making out with him. But, like, gross.

[Ronnie]

Oh, no. But, like, he's the one who showed up at our party being like, if I didn't show up late last year, then who knows? Maybe I could have d. That is crazy. By the way, can I have some more water? I mean, iced tea? Actually, make it a diet coke. Would you have salmon that you could put inside of it? I'm just kidding. Don't do that. Bring me whatever you want. Don't bring me the wrong thing.

[Ben]

So Sierra. This is where Sierra's like, well, he has some nerve saying that, because when then we see the Montage of how handsy Jesse is. And Sierra's like, wait a minute.

[Ronnie]

Could you show me that clip again? Okay. I see him getting on top of you. I see two of your arms kind of pushing him off, but then I see a third arm coming around and poking him in the head. Sarah, do you have three arms? She's like, no. What are you talking about? Okay, must. Must be in my imagination.

[Ben]

Wow, that's some real Russian sci fi right there. So, Sierra, don't you mean yet? Sierra's like, I'm like, honestly, Jesse, like, don't come in my room. Don't even come around me. You know how I am. So if you really want to play that game, your feelings will be hurt at the end of the day because I won't even look at you. Like, oh, Sierra is going into ice queen mode with Jesse, and he will not be able to deal with it whatsoever.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she has a good point, because she's like, he's gonna come for me for touching him. And then they show him last week, like, crawling on top of her. Or two weeks ago crawling on top of her on the pool thing, being like, you're a 10 and all of that stuff. So then we see next week, guys, I was so afraid we weren't gonna have any more weak willed, wishy washy wussy men coming. But here's Schwartz. He's like, hi, guys, it's me, Schwartz.

[Ben]

He's making his rounds after his appearance on the Valley. Now he will be on Summer House, and maybe the week after that, maybe he'll show up on, like, I don't know, Real Housewives of Atlanta. Who knows?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then we also get a confrontation with Lexi and Jesse where she's like, I heard from my mom, who heard from my sister, who told me to my face in bed that you've been shit talking me, and you've been saying, like, I'm a crazy jealous girl and stuff like that. How dare you? I have a recording of it because I put a. I put a recording device in your kitchen. Not.

[Ben]

Sorry. Dump him right now. Ew, gross. Dump him. Do it. Do it. It'll be hilarious.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Paige is like, if you're not fully in this, you should walk away. Where did Lexi go? I saw a beam of light and then she was gone.

[Ben]

Wow, what a commentary on Stalinist policies.

[Ronnie]

Don't criticize the government in my. Right, right. The government's Craig. Boop.

[Ben]

Spoiler alert. Craig is communism. Okay, anyway, thanks, everyone for being here. What a fun summer house. We'll Be back next week. We'll have Top Chef on Monday as well as our entire slate of shows. So looking forward to that and we will catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

[Ben]

Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King Our.

[Ronnie]

Way is the amber way it's the.

[Ben]

Foster and the Furious It's Amanda Foster it's always automatic with Ashley Otto.

[Ronnie]

Ashley Savoni she don't take no baloney.

[Ben]

Put your hands together for Carly Clapp. Catherine D. Bernardo has our hearto get.

[Ronnie]

On the right foot with Chrissy Offutt, Dana C. Dana do she's not just a sheila, she's a Daniella Etchells. We never miss her call It's Diane.

[Ben]

Call Aaron mcnicholas she don't miss no Tricolus Hava Nagila Weber. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. I go, you go, we all go for Hugo Jamie she has no less namey we could all learn from Jennifer.

[Ronnie]

Kearns she's our kind of mess It's Jennifer Messer Sip some scotch with Jessica.

[Ben]

Trotch Knock, knock, knocking on Katie Manock's door She's our favorite streamer Caroline Peacock.

[Ronnie]

Kristen the Piston Anderson Get a bee in your bonnet with Lacy B ringing.

[Ben]

The funk It's Leslie Plunkett she gets.

[Ronnie]

A name from us It's Lindsey D. Let's give a kisserino to Lisalino fresh as a daisy It's Maisie McHenry we love her on the rocks It's Melissa Cox Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the.

[Ben]

Berg this is living with Michelle Vivian.

[Ronnie]

I love a ya Olivia Williamson tastier than Flanderson It's Rachel Manderson she sure is swell. It's Raquel yes we can A it's.

[Ben]

Savannah Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman let's share with Sharon Eldridge the bay.

[Ronnie]

Area and our super premium sponsors She's VVIP It's Amanda V Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin.

[Ben]

Somebody get us 10cc's of Betsy MD.

[Ronnie]

We'Re taking the gold with Brenda Silva.

[Ben]

Let'S get real with Caitlin O'Neal don't.

[Ronnie]

Get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides Let's go into the woods with Guy Tubbs.

[Ben]

Who, what, why, where? And Gwen Pentland.

[Ronnie]

It's our queen it's queen Laifa Nobody.

[Ben]

Holds a candle to Jamie Kendall know.

[Ronnie]

Your worth with Jason Kurth we got.

[Ben]

Our wish It's Jen Plish she's not harsh She's Jill Hirsch She's a little bit loony Junie, my Favorite Murdo Karen.

[Ronnie]

McMurdo she gets an A It's Kelly.

[Ben]

B We love him madly It's Kyle Pod Shadley we're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron she's a wiz It's Liz Sarthy always killing it It's Lola.

[Ronnie]

Alkalani the incredible edible Matthew sisters She eases our woes it's Melissa St. Rose we're on the floor with Molly Dorset.

[Ben]

Give him hell, Ms. Noel, there's a.

[Ronnie]

Chance of meatballs It's Rebecca Cloud she's.

[Ben]

The queen bee It's Sarah Lemke Shannon out of a cannon Anthony, let's take off with Tamla playing in it's always.

[Ronnie]

A good time when you're wasting time with Bravo she ain't no shrinking violet Coutar we love you guys. If you like, watch what crappens. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey.