#2817 RHOA S1608: Nashvillain

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2817: RHOA S1608: Nashville

Released on April 28, 2025

In episode #2817 of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam dive deep into Season 16, Episode 8 of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA), titled "Boots on the Ground Now." This detailed discussion unpacks the latest drama, character developments, and pivotal moments from the Nashville trip featured in the episode.

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Shamia's Musical Endeavors

One of the central topics of the episode is Shamia's foray into music. Ben and Ronnie critique her attempt at merging country vibes with her established persona.

• Ben Mandelker expresses skepticism about Shamia's artistic direction, stating, “[07:32] '...I was like, was that supposed to be a reference to free your mind? Or am I just already... Is my mind already wandering?'”

• Ronnie Karam adds, “[08:14] 'It was a poorly structured song. You know what? I didn't like the chord progression.'” They both agree that while Shamia's intentions are commendable, the execution falls short, potentially hindering her standing on the show.

Portia and Angela's Tense Interactions

Portia and Angela's dynamic remains a focal point, marked by conflicting emotions and unresolved tensions.

• Ben Mandelker anticipates future conflicts, remarking, “[21:15] 'I kind of have been predicting that Angela's gonna go to bat for Drew... find a way to get upset at Drew so that way, she can go back to the ladies and say, you know, I went to bat for this girl, and then she did me dirty...'”

• Ronnie Karam concurs, highlighting Angela's manipulative tendencies: “[21:45] 'They set it up in this episode... But I thought, like, it might get weird and funky and strange.'”

The hosts dissect a scene where Portia attempts to mediate tensions but ends up exacerbating them, leading to heightened drama among the cast.

Whiskey Tasting and Line Dancing Fiasco

The Nashville trip includes a whiskey tasting event that spirals into humorous yet chaotic situations.

• Ben Mandelker finds humor in the unnecessary explanations provided during the tasting: “[32:56] 'I'm like, who needs this exposition? I mean, everyone knows how these devices work.'”

• Ronnie Karam shares her confusion over the mixing methods, adding, “[32:39] 'I didn't know that's how they got whiskey out of a barrel. I was like, wow, that's really neat.'”

The duo laughs over the over-the-top outfits and awkward line dancing attempts, particularly mocking Kelly's performance: “[51:08] 'I'm too knocking into line dance. I don't want to see me line dance. It's not... I can't do it.'”

Drew's Olive Branch Attempts

Drew's efforts to mend fences with Portia are scrutinized, revealing underlying tensions and insincere gestures.

• Ronnie Karam criticizes Drew's attempts, stating, “[33:33] 'She is. She really is.'” referring to Drew's olive branches like joining the trip uninvited and gifting whiskey.

• Ben Mandelker highlights the futility of her efforts, saying, “[33:44] 'She is just that person at the slumber party who wants people to be like, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay?'”

Despite Drew's attempts, Portia remains cold and unresponsive, leading Ben and Ronnie to question the authenticity of her gestures.

Angela's Victim Narrative and Manipulation

Angela's portrayal as a perpetual victim continues to be a point of contention among the cast and the hosts.

• Ben Mandelker points out Angela's manipulative tactics: “[38:44] 'Angela apologizes. She says, you know, missteps were made. Missteps were made. And I apologize for all that.'”

• Ronnie Karam criticizes the inconsistency in Angela's behavior: “[39:25] 'Yangla's like, how do I play the victim? All this heat that I've been catching. I want to know how I'm playing the victim.'”

The hosts discuss how Angela leverages victimhood to garner sympathy and manipulate situations to her advantage, often at the expense of other cast members.

Other Cast Dynamics and Ongoing Drama

The episode also touches upon various interactions among other cast members, emphasizing recurring themes of betrayal, loyalty, and personal growth.

• Ronnie Karam comments on Shamia's trauma storyline, noting, “[28:43] 'And the way they edited it was weird, too... It sounds like... she was saying, somebody saw that and called me.'”

• Ben Mandelker observes Portia's inconsistent behavior: “[35:27] 'But, like, I'm explaining to you about what it's like to play the victim. Playing the victim is when you're talk...'”

The discussion highlights how these dynamics contribute to the overall narrative of the season, keeping viewers engaged with ever-evolving relationships and conflicts.

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Insights and Conclusions

Ben and Ronnie conclude the episode by reflecting on the effectiveness of the show's current storyline development.

• Ronnie Karam criticizes the pacing and conflict resolution: “[58:47] 'Like, this has all been a fail, right? So then Drew comes up and says...'”

• Ben Mandelker shares a mixed view, appreciating some elements while acknowledging shortcomings: “[58:47] 'I didn't think it was a fail. I enjoyed it... but I agree. Portia doing her whole thing, she kind of just shuts down...'”

The hosts agree that while there are entertaining moments, the show sometimes struggles with introducing fresh conflicts, leading to repetitive drama that might not resonate as strongly with the audience.

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Conclusion

Episode #2817 of Watch What Crappens offers a thorough and engaging analysis of RHOA's latest developments in Nashville. Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide insightful commentary on character motivations, plot twists, and the show's ability to maintain viewer interest. Their blend of humor and critical observation makes for a compelling summary that both fans and newcomers can appreciate.

Note: All timestamps correspond to the original podcast transcript provided.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about. I'm you bros. I'm Ronnie. Guess who I'm with. The beautiful, talented Ben Mandelker. Hello, Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi. How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. Happy Monday circa. We've got quite a week coming up. Today is Real Housewives, Top Chef, Crappy hour. Tomorrow we're going to do Love island and Below Deck. A lot of podcasts. So just listen as you can. We're going to keep putting them out. You guys just listen as you can. But you know what's even better? We're going to be live. Come see us live. We're in Texas two days in May, coming up in a couple of weeks. Actually, in a little over a week. That's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. Is it next week?

[Ronnie Karam]

I just realized too. I just looked at the calendar, like, what the hell? Okay, well, next week. So, you know, that's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. I'm seeing Beyonce on Wednesday and then flying to Texas the next day. I'm having a full Texas Cowboy Carter. Cowboy Carter to Cowboy Rondel experience.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are so jealous. You're going to go see be. I did not get tickets yet, but then I read this week that there are a lot of cheap tickets now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they got cheap because they were really expensive.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but she probably still means like $500. Those assholes. So, like, oh, Beyonce is doing you a favor. You can just see her for a mortgage. So anyway, everybody, that Spence going to Beyonce, so go see Ben seeing Beyonce next week. And then after that, we're going to be in Austin. And I'm proud of Austin for canceling Jax Taylor's show. So good for you, Austin. You know, Texas is getting a lot of bad rap for good reason lately, but that was a good move. So God bless you, Austin. I'm proud to live here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Will you tell us more about it at crappy hour this evening?

[Ronnie Karam]

Sure. He's an asshole. And people wrote to them and they're like, you know, this is an abusive piece of shit, right? And they're like, oh, we didn't. We canceled him. So that's the story. And so they canceled him. So that's wanderlust by the way. So go support Wanderlust. But anyway, they didn't cancel us yet, so don't email them till we're gone. Cause we're assholes too, just in a different way. But we're fun assholes. Come be fun, fun assholes with us over at Emos in Austin. And then the next day we're going to be in Dallas. That's next week. And then in May, we're going to be in Las Vegas. Lost wages, as they say on Southwest Airlines. So come join us there. That'll be a fun show. It's our first time there. Get your ticket links and also links to our Patreon, where you'll find our next gen NYC trailer trash. And coming up this week, our below deck trailer trash over on Patreon. Find links at our site watchwithcraft.com and now here we are for the Real Housewives of Atlanta episode. Season 16 Episode 8 Boots on the Ground Now. Now we open with a gift to Ben from the editors.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't even have to say more than my three nows for Ronnie to know what I'm gonna say.

[Ronnie Karam]

I knew the second that came on the screen, I was like, ben. Ben's butthole just clenched up.

[Ben Mandelker]

It clenched. It clenched and inverted. I. It went all, it went in all directions. It went to a different dimension somewhere.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ben's butthole went to customer service and asked for a refund without a receipt.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a parallel world where people are just a vortex opened up in my butthole appeared. And it's because of this previously, like, oh, it was just, it was so cringy. I'm sorry. Like, I know they're trying to have fun, but, you know, I always get nervous when, at, whenever. At the first time we started seeing these things on Bravo, they were so funny. And there was like, oh, my God, that was funny. I think it was like, I remember Vanderpump Rules had like a sitcom moment and we're like, that was so funny that they did that. But then we started to see it and I'm like, don't do this because it means you're struggling. Although I don't think this show is struggling at all. I think the show's having an amazing rebound season. So I was like, oh, please don't do this to us. You don't need to do this. Why are you doing this?

[Ronnie Karam]

So by this, she means wacky. Like, here's a wacky, overly edited, you know, fun and games and not functional.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not a functional use of fun in games. You know, I understand you can't spell functional without fun, but in this case, like, you just stick to the. Stick to the classics for the previous leads. Because it starts with Shamia going, I wrote a little country song. Want to hear it? Here it go. Which in my mind was a callback to the classic En Vogue song Free youe Mind, which starts with practice. Wrote a song about it. Want to hear it? Here we go. So I was like, was that supposed to be a reference to free your mind? Or am I just already. Is my mind already wandering?

[Ronnie Karam]

How about this? Free my time, okay? Free my time. I'm not. I don't need this. And this did not do anything for Shamiya as a songwriter. Like, this didn't lift her in the world of songwriting. It wasn't even good.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was actually okay. It just was so bad.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was a poorly structured song. You know what? I didn't like the chord progression.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is progression even a word? It was almost like someone took a bunch of chords and dropped them on the floor. Pick up sticks with chords.

[Ronnie Karam]

I knew you were going to be perturbed at this. So she sings the song. Here's also, while we're sitting on Shamia's song, listen, I get that it's like a typical Real Housewives thing to have a single and stuff like that, but what makes that fun in general is bad artistry. Right? So Kim Zolciak. Perfect. Danielle Staub. Great. Melissa Gorga. Amazing. Countess Luann. Can she sing? Of course not. That's why she's selling out tours. That's the kind of housewives music we like. I don't like someone spending a zillion dollars of somebody's money. Well, it's her money. But spending a zillion dollars to get, like, professional music and then push their ass on me all year. I don't like that. You know what I mean, Erika? Yes. She was using million dollars of some old guy's money. And it was terrible still. So it kind of worked, you know, because otherwise we wouldn't have such hits as Painkiller, Painkiller or My Kissy. My. My pussy is a python tick ticking like a time bomb. That's what I want to hear. Okay. I don't need. I don't need whatever Shami is doing right now because she can actually sing and she's good. So I'm like, you know what? Go struggle somewhere. Go struggle with it and come back when it's good. But if you're good, I don't want to hear you on The Housewives. That's it. Candy. I didn't like hearing Candy's good stuff either. I like Candy's consolciak. Yeah. So that's my. That's why Shamia.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, but. So they give, like, Shamia a weird auto tune to make her sound more country. But, like, I think my problem was that it seemed like as this little country Diddy went along, it actually seemed to, like, become less and less melodic. It's almost like the notes were evaporating away and the lyrics just became lazier and lazier. So she's like, it's Portia's birthday. I beat their asses apple riding. They should stick to electric slide. And allegedly drew a suck in a lollipop. I was like, what's that? The song? Like, it's like, it looks like losing its juice as it goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're just text to speeching now, you know? And so she sings about Drew sucking a lollipop until the dew dropped and then talks about arguing. And it's like, they're going for blood. Why don't these heifers understand? It's not their day? So I need more rhyming. This is country, you know, I just didn't buy it. I didn't. I didn't buy any of it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, there's like, some rhyming, right? Because it goes. They're arguing and arguing and slinging mud. Unnecessary arguments. It's like, they're going for blood. Why don't these heifers understand? It's not their day? But. So it's like, wait, you did a blood. You did, like, a blood and mud rhyme. But then you're like, let's rhyme. Understand with day. Was this thing understate. Understand the day?

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm sure it's just a silly thing she did. And then they were like, let's make this a thing because we've got nothing. So they did that. So that's. That's over. Thank God. And it's Nashville trip day to Portia's birthday. And we open with Brit on FaceTime with Mike. And there was a moment where I was like, you know what morning talking is? Britt's like, that's when Brit needs to talk because her. For the first. For the first line, she sounded normal. She was like, I'm having a good time. And then she kept talking. She's like, we had a really good night last night. I was like, ow. It's reverberating in my head.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Mike looks as enthused as you can imagine. He's like, he's one of those husbands that's always in a car, driving somewhere. He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, so what happened? Like, he cares. He's like, ready to go to AutoZone?

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, some kind of went down at dinner a little bit. And then Angela kept an advocating for Drunacom. And I was like, it's not your place.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Brit's saying how Angela really rubbed her the wrong way at the peace brunch when Brit was trying to have a moment and was trying to make everyone feel bad for her for saying her insurance license was revoked or updated to suspended. And Angela was like, why? And she's like, yeah, that really rubbed me the wrong way.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna slander her for life now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then she's like, yeah. I'm like, I don't know, girl. Like, I gotta keep my guard up. Okay. Yeah, keep your guard up. So then she announces they're going to a whiskey tasting. And Mike's like, yeah, me too. Drinking some whiskey in his car. So then we go to Portia snoring. And then we get another Shamia trauma scene. But Shamia has a lot of trauma. She's really leaning into, like the trauma of housewives. But enough crying. Stop crying. Every episode and you're trying. Child is fine. Who needs a trauma episode where she's like, my daughter is at the doctor and she is fine. She is fine, you guys.

[Ben Mandelker]

I kind of lost one earlier in the season. Yes. Because we heard her daughter had lots of complications. And of course, we are humans. We get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're not making fun of that stuff. Yeah, we're not making fun of.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, but, but we're saying that, like, I. We get that, like, probably when you have a child who has, you know, many health complications, every time you go to the doctor, it's just incredibly stressful because you never know what they're going to announce. But here she's FaceTiming. That being said, they're FaceTime with the doctor and the doctor is kind of like, yeah, so, like, looks like she has an ear infection. She's like, oh, oh. I'm like, okay, we can. It's your infection. Let's. Let's settle down.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. It's just too much, you know, Like, I get some of it, but you can't go from like the life threatening things you were talking about before to an ear infection. And she's taking antibiotics. She's like, top it. I need the other Thing topped or no crying.

[Ben Mandelker]

Tell me you're a stage performer without telling me you're a stage performer. Well, the tests are in. Your daughter has an ear infection.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, I know her ear hurts. So please, please, just put the phone on speaker and just motion about whatever I'm saying. Itsy bitsy spider went up to lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of spout ear infections. Wrote a song about it. Want to hear it? Here it goes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Ow. My ears infected, and I'm gonna have a yogurt. It's like, wait, you didn't. Those don't rhyme. I know. It's kind of my thing.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Angela and Cynthia, the only people who will really talk to each other, let's face it, are sitting outside talking, and they're talking about how loud night was just so much because they came after Angela for inviting Drew on the trip, all of Portia's little friends, and Portia calling her victimina. And so Angela's like, first and foremost, my loyalty to Drew and my loyalty to any of my friends, I just don't think they get that for me. Where's my loyalty? Where's my loyalty?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Cynthia asks the question that so few people have ever asked, by the way, where is Drew? And Angela is like, well, she should be on her way. She's like, well, now tell me she's gonna be on her way. You've been saying that for a long time now. And so basically, they're like, no, no, we gotta. She's like, I got a text. She's on the. She's on the plane. She'll be showing up soon. She would have been here last night, except she had to do something messy by going to one of Dennis's events. So that way she can, you know, brandish that in front of Portia's face at some point in the season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Because, no, that was her own event, wasn't it? Wasn' having an event at the Hot Dog Club because she signed up to a record, a record distribution thing, and called it a record.

[Ben Mandelker]

She opened up an online account with a Rev Share place. So she went to Dennis's hookah shop. The point is, it was having a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Party at the Hot Dog palace because I've signed up to SoundCloud Hot Dog.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hookah, where you actually smoke hookah out of a hot dog. So Cynthia's like, I'll tell you, I'm so tired of Drew being on the Runway. But anyway, thanks, Cynthia. Cynthia. Cynthia. Weighing in on Drew's travel updates. She does not want her to be on the Runway. So she goes you know, Portia feels how she feels. And in a lot of ways, Drew put herself in that position because, you know, them baby daddies hit different girl. Like, you gotta let folks know, please don't come over here looking for Leon for a goddamn thing. Unless. So she's basically like, yeah, Drew's trying it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love that Cynthia came back, and she's like, this time I've learned my lesson from being fired. So this time I'm gonna really bring it. Is Drew still on the Runway?

[Ben Mandelker]

Where's Drew?

[Ronnie Karam]

Where's Drew in her plane journey?

[Ben Mandelker]

Drew is trying. She's, like, up there stealing extra Biscoff cookies and putting them in her purse.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Angela's like, that' that's real. That's what I'm expressing to Drew. But, you know, I'm just trying to advocate for Drew. I'm trying to advocate. Because the whole table's talking about it. No one's gonna be attacked while I'm at the table. I stood ten toes down. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Angela, great defender. Great defender of those who are talked about at the table, which isn't we. I guarantee that's not gonna be true in any other scene this season.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then basically, they're just making talk about this. But Drew does arrive. Not before Angela has to go inside because her wig is melting, which is hilarious. So they go in my poor wig. So they go. And Andrew's there, and she's like, I'm here now. What are we doing? And they're like, oh, cutesy voice she uses. And they're gonna have a whiskey tasting, and then a group is gonna go, you know, learn how to bartend or mixology.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. So it's gonna be a great day to put on your best fishnet bodysuit, girl, and have some fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

What I mean was multiple outfits. It was Brit.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was Brit and Kelly trying to make. I don't know what they. I don't know what they were going for. But this was. This was such a wild look. Both of them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I was like, who caught you? It's like they were swimming and somebody caught them in a net, like they were being brought up. And Kelly's is especially crazy because it's just, like, naked, and she's wearing, like, underwear and then nipple covers over her nipples. And I was like, where are you taking a mixology class at 11 in the morning where you want your nipple covers on as your outfit?

[Ben Mandelker]

And then she had, like, giant bangles, like, in big, chunky bangles, a big chunky necklaces. It was just like, lines crisscrossing and chunky items and dots and things. And I was like, what is going on here?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Drew's like, well, to be honest, I was contemplating on not coming on this trip. However, Portia and I have been friends for years, so I'm giving her an olive branch. It's not an olive branch. Coming on a trip that you're not invited on that's costing her money. Well, theoretically, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So she walks into Angela's room. Angela's getting glam, and she's like, hey. And she's like, this is nice. Angel's like, yeah. So your room is through the doors over there. So, you know, check it out. Go enjoy it. Because she knows that Drew's stuck with bunk beds, so Drew, go checks it out, and, you know, I think it would. I think that, like, it would actually be. It's a good room for Drew because she could take the top bunk because she's so used to people sleeping beneath her, you know, specifically, she could.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just in case she's feeling lonely, she could be like, ralph, you doing okay down there? I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Just put a little picture of Ralph on the bottom bunk and be like. It's like at home.

[Ronnie Karam]

She could just drop a little pop Tart down there and be like, do not talk. It's not your time yet. It's not your time.

[Ben Mandelker]

She could just put, like. You just put, like, a fish in a bucket and just lower it down. Be like, here's your dinner.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Angela wants her to go talk to Portia and apologize, and she's like, why? And she goes, you need to get the heat off me. All right? You need to just get the heat off me. And she's like, you started it. You asking me to go get the heat off you. You're the one who made me come here. So Angela is saying she would invite Drew all over again, even though she got in trouble, because I don't get about.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to say. I want to say one thing. One thing that surprised me so far with Angela, and maybe we are yet to see it this season, is that I kind of have been predicting that Angela's gonna go to bat for Drew, get into trouble with all the ladies, and then do the reversal thing where she's gonna sort of find a way to get upset at Drew so that way, she can go back to the ladies and say, you know, I went to bat for this girl, and then she did me dirty, and all of you were correct. And then she'll be embraced by all the Women. Because we've seen that so many times.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, they set it up in this episode. They teed it up when she's like, why wasn't Drew standing up for me? Remember, there's like a point in the episode where she's like, well, my question is, why wasn't Drew standing up for me? So she set it up so now she can be like, I was so good to you. I invited you on the Nashville trip that you weren't invited on. How could you treat me like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Because for a moment, it almost looked like Portia was gonna do the move on Angela. Like, Porsche. For a moment I thought, is Portia gonna take back Drew and then weaponize Drew against Angela and make Angela her nemesis, not Drew instead? But it didn't quite happen that way. But I thought, like, it might get weird and funky and strange.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Shamia goes to Portia's room and teases her because Portia's eating to go ribs from the restaurant for breakfast.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Been there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I love Portia explaining. She's like, oh, yeah, no, no, no. These ribs, they were. I had a plan for them. Okay. As I was eating them last night, I was like, I'm gonna eat these again tomorrow at approximately 10am when I wake up, literally got a to go order of breakfast ribs. And I have to say, like, I appreciate that so much. I think that is. That is some a game restaurant ordering right there.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Today is not the day for that. So now everyone's saying hi, saying good morning and everything. And Portia's being really nice, and Portia's being nice to Drew, and she's like, you know, once I've expressed myself, like, you know, I calm down. So, like, I'm not one to have daggers for you every time I see you, which is hilarious. I'm like, portia, we've been watching you for, like, 10 years now or so. You 100% are the one to have daggers every time you see someone. Okay, maybe you have, like, a moment where the clouds part, but, you know, just wait till the end of the episode. Okay, we'll. We'll check back in on this.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, she said this the last episode too. Remember? She's like, I'm not fighting at dinner. This is my birthday. It's my birthday, and we're gonna have fun and not fight. And then immediately at dinner, she's. And you're the one who invited someone to my birthday. So that's Portia. So Portia starts off on a new season in every episode. Because usually someone has this bad season. They apologize at the beginning of the new episode, and it takes them, like, an entire season to become kind of, like, shitty again. And Portia just does it. She's on, like, a per episode cycle now. So let's see. So now downstairs at breakfast, Portia's like, I had my ribs from last night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So they. They load into the sprinter van, and they're just, like, chatting and everything. And then Shamia. Shamia gets, like, a text, and she starts crying, and they start consoling her. This time it's a bit more serious because it's. It's a text from someone who had, I think, doubted her domestic. Her domestic violence or the abuse that she was going through back in 2008, but then has suddenly come around for whatever reason, we don't understand the context, but basically said, like, I'm sorry. And so this dredges up memories of that terrible experience. And we see flashbacks to when she and Cynthia's mom also recorded interviews for that PSA on Atlanta back in 2018. And we kind of. We revisit that. And Shamia tells really, a terrible story about how this guy who seemed. Seemed perfect to everyone and just like, a total catch, humiliated her and actually, like. Like, assaulted her. In front of people. It sounds like. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

In front of a hotel. Right. Or like a restaurant in a hotel or something.

[Ben Mandelker]

It sounded like there were people who saw it and she was mortified and. Anyways, sad. Sad little moment here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And the way they edited it was weird, too, because she's like, you know, I. I was abused, and then I opened up about it. And then they showed that PSA thing that was done, like, seven years ago or something, and she's like. And somebody. It sounded like she was saying, somebody saw that and called me. And I was like, wow, they got that late. But, you know, Bravo's, like, always running the same episode over and over. Like, sometimes you'll go on Reddit and they'll be like, can you believe that Kim Richards expects her sister to forgive her alcoholism in a limousine? I'm like, guys, this aired okay 90 years ago, but, yeah, this whole thing with Shamia was so sad. And then they talk about Cynthia's mom and all the stuff she went through and the stories she shared and stuff. And, you know, it's so good to have these kind of scenes right before you go to Coyote Ugly and Fishnet. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're like, guys, the abuse and what.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'S done to me. Let's go to Coyote Ugly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. The next Boosh. He was great at Moose Buche before.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they go to Coyote Ugly, which, I mean, of course they do meet Jesus and Portia's. Like, when you're in Nashville, you do his Nashvillians, too. Nashvillians do not go to Coyote Ugly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nashvillians, I guarantee, are avoiding that entire street. So when they get to Kylie Ugly, I was like, okay, like, now Kelly's outfit makes. It sort of makes sense because it's Coyote Ugly. So you're gonna.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it makes more sense, but it's still, like, in the morning.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's still a wild outfit. But I was like, okay, it sort of makes sense. So then they're like, hey, welcome to Coyote Ugly. This is your first shot of the day.

[Ronnie Karam]

First shot of the day.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Portia's talking about how she's explaining Coyote Ugly to us in case. If you don't understand. And then they're doing shots and everything. She's like, coyote, guess what? Coyotes. Coyotes don't have hands. Okay, let's get on the bar. We're gonna teach you. And they're gonna, like, do shots, basically with their mouths and be scandalous. So while they're doing that, I do.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not want to take shots at this place ever again. I mean, I've only done it at a couple of bachelorette parties in the first place. But the way they make them take the shots, those glasses are never clean. They're never clean. They're not. Because they're like. You can't use your hands. So of course they're like.

[Ben Mandelker]

They really get in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then they get through the shot. That's great for you. You guys look like you're having a good time. I need some clean. I'm going to ask for a solo cup next time I go in.

[Ben Mandelker]

You can bring your own glass. It's very environmentally friendly.

[Ronnie Karam]

In that case, but I hope you don't mind, I'm going to take this shot from a corksicle that my niece gave me for Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have a corksicle, Please, Sheena. She was coming in. She's like, I brought some special cupware. So the group two then goes to, like, a whiskey tasting in, like, more of, like, a refined place. I was like, okay, this is much nicer. So. And then we see Brit. I was like, oh, yeah. But, well, why is Britt wearing the fishnets? And the fishnet bodies you to the whiskey place? Because one thing for Coyote Ugly, but this makes no sense whatsoever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. This is just Brit. These are just like, first season crazy outfits. So they do that. And this is a more boring group, you know, the other group's like, partying, and this group's like, okay, we're drinking things out of a barrel. Fun. So they do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, this. This whiskey tasting guy, he's so patronizing because he's explaining how they take the whiskey out of the barrel because they have, like, the big thing that they pull the barrel. He's like, hey, you know when you're a kid. Yeah. You move water with, like, a straw where you put your finger over one end of the straw, and then you move it out, and you move it out, and they let go and comes out. That's what we're doing here. I'm like, they're adults. They understand. Not only do they understand. I don't. I guarantee they don't even care how this little device works. That's like, people have used turkey basters. They understand how when you stick a long thing into liquid and liquid comes up into it, it's gonna work. We don't need the science behind it.

[Ronnie Karam]

I didn't. You know, I feel so stupid because I was like, that's how you do it. That's so cool. I mean, obviously I've done that. I've done that with a straw, like, to play around with stuff. But I didn't know that's how they got whiskey out of a barrel. I was like, wow, that's really neat. So they drink some whiskey like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, who needs this exposition? I mean, everyone knows how these devices work.

[Ronnie Karam]

No, I learned. I totally. So then Drew and Cynthia are talking and Drew's like, oh, my God, I can get my own whiskey. I'm gonna get one for Portia. It's gonna be another olive branch. Okay, so your first olive branch was coming on a trip you weren't invited to for free that she's paying for. And your second olive branch is getting a free bottle of whiskey from the outing that she's paying for. Wow, you're really working that olive branch, Drew.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is. She really is.

[Ronnie Karam]

She bath. Drew, you should have brought the boombox from your first season. That would have at least been something that you paid for in a thrift store.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God, I forgot about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everyone else got a Chanel purse, and she's like, here's. Thanks so much for all the purses and the $5,000 cash candy. That was great. Okay, everybody, here's a boombox. I'm gonna sing a song for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. And, like, wasn't there a wig, too, or something? So, Portia. So now, like, all the fun and games of these two places are, like. We go through the whole process, and now the. Over at Coyote Ugly, Portia settles down with the girls, and she's like, okay, we gotta talk about the rest of the night. So they're talking about what's gonna happen tonight. And Portia's like, you know what? I decided to treat everyone to beautiful cowboy dinner. And the other group has a whiskey tasting, so I know they're on one. So even Drew.

[Ronnie Karam]

And, you know, she.

[Ben Mandelker]

She should have a good time, because I think the best way to enjoy dinner is, like, already lit. So now she's acting like she's down with Drew. She loves Drew, and it's. Everything's okay. She is just a consummate hostess.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's fine with Drew because she's decided to come for Angela now because they're like, what's up with Drew? Why'd you start with Drew last night? She's like, no, I wasn't starting with her. It's just the girls were asking about her because, you know the girls. You know, they don't know Drew because Drew hangs out with us. She's one of our girls. So they were like, why isn't she here? So I just told them, it's an interesting re edit of the night. But, yeah, now she's gonna kick Angela's ass because Angela was the one who brought her. At the end of the day, you'll get nothing for nothing. Let it be what it is. So she's really confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I'm really confused. With Angela, because, like, you know, if she was gonna invite the girl, like what. Like, what kind of atmosphere do you want them to want there to be? You want to be accepting and everything, and you gotta, like, you. You know, you gotta. You got the host to say she's cool with it at the end of the day. But, like, oh, I said that's where you said at the end of the day. I was like, where did that end of the day come from?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah. But she's alleging, basically, the. Angela set Drew up on purpose because she. The way that she brought up Drew. She says the way she brought up Drew at this dinner made all the girls dislike Drew. But then you're gonna have Drew come on the trip, but you set up everybody to not, like, Dr. Her. But that's not what happened, is it?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, it's not what happened. She's saying. No, she's saying that. She's saying that Angela set up Drew because Shamia said at one point, she goes. She goes, you know, honestly, you know, me and Angela rode together and to the peace brunch, and Angela was like, yo. And she says, I feel some kind of way about Drew because I feel like. Like this is Shamia saying that Angela said, I feel like Drew's talking trash to Kelly about me, and I gotta figure it out. So Shamia is saying that Angela doesn't. Is. Is talking about Drew because Angela is accusing Drew of talking shit about Angela to Kelly. So Shamia is relaying, because it's confusing, that Angela seems to have a chip on her shoulder about Drew. So this is. It's. She's suggesting that Angela's trying to, like, turn the tides against Drew. But then we get this flashback that says, here's what Angela actually said, and we see them riding together, and Angela says, hey, I heard Kelly was, you know, throwing a little shade at me to Drew last night. Well, whatever Kelly has to say, that's fine. We'll figure it out. But I'm more concerned about Drew's reaction. So she's saying, nah, not, oh, I heard Drew was talking shit about me. She's saying, I heard Kelly was talking shit about me. And Shamiya's passing it off. Like, Angela is trying to poison the well against Drew.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right? So then Portia's like, yeah, you know, well, that explains how she's handling Drew coming on the trip because you invited her, so why would you make a thing of it at the table and then provoke everybody to have a negative vibe about Drew? She's setting up Drew. I'm telling you, she's setting her up. I don't know. This is. Is weak.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is probably did not set her up. This is not set her up at all.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then back at the other group, they're saying that they really miss Drew so much last night. And Angela's saying, you know, push is actually her because I invited you, and at one point, you guys were good friends, so I thought I was just aiding that by bringing you here. And Brit's like, maybe it's because you weren't playing the victim. As someone who used to be an insurance agent before my license was tragically stolen, how do I play the victim?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Angela is like, how do I play the victim? All this heat that I've been catching. I want to know how I'm playing the victim.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, I'm trying to tell.

[Ben Mandelker]

You because, like, that's the thing. You were saying you were catching the heat.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, like, that's what being a victim is, is saying that you're catching the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Heat, and you all are completely oblivious.

[Ronnie Karam]

To what's going on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, so, for instance, feel like I was like, I really needed a little.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bit more support at the front, and I. So now you're gonna play the victim.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm explaining to you about what it's like to play the victim. Playing the victim is when you're talk. When someone else is playing the victim, and then you try to bring your own into it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Although to be fair, she. I. I think I will give Britt credit. She was an actual victim going into that brunch. She was not merely playing it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but it's still funny to be. It's still funny to be like, you're playing the victim in situations that don't even involve you. You felt I. I'm the victim. I was the victim in this situation. It's like, why are you bringing it back to that other situation we're talking about last night?

[Ben Mandelker]

What, by the way, also say, says Brit, who manages to turn everything into a. But what about me? What about me? So to the person who complained about not getting a proper hug at the bank event, and you're going to talk about. You're going to lecture someone about playing a victim? Please.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Angela's like, well, look, the way you walked in to brunch and sat down, it just came across as entitled. And so we see a clip of that, of the. She lost her insurance license based on what? One. How dare you. How dare you question me? And Britt's saying, you're not supportive. And she's like, but we were supportive. I was sitting outside. My wig was down to my nose. Okay? I was supporting you. Do you think I would have been sitting outside with bees flying all over and some weird aging lady dressed like Paris Hilton, you know, tricking her, like, what. What. What about that to you says, I wasn't supporting you?

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Britt, also, I want to point out. I just want to also point out that at that bank event, when they were asking. They had to ask the questions. It was Angela. Angela said she was the one who asked the question that said, why can't. Why does Kenya not. Why can't Kenya speak to Brit like, Like, politely or like an adult? That was Angela. Angela was actually assisting you in playing the victim. You played the victim so hard about Kenya and the freaking wedding ring situation that. And it was such a big victim moment for you that Angela knew enough to write a question about it for the stupid game. So. I don't know. I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, that's the thing about Brit, and that's why, you know, Brit sucks because she changes so quickly. Like, she changes on a dime. It' like this girl was, like, one of the only people being nice to her, and then she switched on her in two seconds, you know? And that's how. You know, that's how it seems like she's gonna roll this whole season. So Brit is like, you know, I was in my house crying for three days. It was horrible. And so Angela's like, okay, missteps were made. Missteps were made. And if you're very upset about it, I suggest we separate for a while. And I'll get my own condom.

[Ben Mandelker]

Though I think Cynthia, to be fair, Cynthia does have a pretty good way of. Of kind of, like, figuring out the line between being a victim versus playing the victim. When she says, unless your picture is up there with a penis inside your mouth and room full of people come at me when that happens. I was like, yeah, that's a pretty good. That's a good line right there. Yeah. So they're. They. But it actually seems like this is a good conversation because, you know, so, you know, Angela is. Angela apologizes. She says, you know, missteps were made. Missteps were made. And I apologize for all that. And was like, now, at the end.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of the day, you get insurance for insurance. And when I hear I could have been somewhere else, like, that does not make me feel like that I'm just not going to laundry. And she goes, but that was after and she goes, but that's how. Now that you've got, like, either way, when I came in, this is not the time to be trying to point any fingers at me. When after I came, I just went through things. Yeah, but you came in. You immediately lied. You know, like, you can. You can be a victim. Okay, that's one thing. But then you came in and lied to the group, and they. And she knew you were lying, so she asked you about your lie, and then you lied again. You changed your lie, which made it a double lie. So be quiet over there, ma'am.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, Drew. Of course, Drew, that was going to use Angela's line. She goes, you know what? There. You know, it was. Look, everyone can hit it off bad. There could be missteps. But we were really missing our friend. It doesn't minimize your feelings. It just meant that in that moment, even though you had been publicly shamed, sort of kind of in a revenge porny way, we just cared more about the fact that our friend wouldn't be on the show more. That's all. We just prioritized that over the public humiliation you went through.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, we just never even got to congratulate Kenya on the amazing poster work she did. Dean, that's very difficult. You don't have children. You don't know what a science fair is like. But it's a lot of preparation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Her selection of foam core was really a plus. You know, there's an art to that. Pun intended.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they apologize and apologize. And Britt's like, okay, let's focus on today. So Angela's like, yeah, I'll support her in this moment. You know, she was humiliated. This is the start of a new friendship now. So you over in like, a week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't worry. Saw the previews for next week.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

So then Cynthia, you know, they're just basically all agreeing that they'll be nice to Brit for a week. So then they get back, back in the whiskey or the whiskey van, the sprinter van. Everyone's wasted. And then Shamia asked Brit if she's going to be all right and Brit looks shit faced. So they're making fun of her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're saying how she's just like a lightweight and, and then we see a sequence of them like having many, many shots and Brit's like at the.

[Ronnie Karam]

Way of the whiskey tasting.

[Ben Mandelker]

To have compassion.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything is in part. I can appreciate that. I, I, I really do. And I, I really can't wait to.

[Ben Mandelker]

Start a whole new argument with you soon enough.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. It's just gonna come from a more loving place. So then Portia calls PJ and Dennis and she's very happy with them and she's showing off her cowboy hat and PJs like, I want that. She's like, no. So then we go to let's see, Cynthia. So now people are coming down for the dinner, right? So Cynthia comes down and flirts with the hotel food guys, I guess. Yeah, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they're like bartender esque. They're basically local strippers who are probably serving very bad drinks. And what's funny is this is at first they all come down in different in new looks and I was like my least favorite thing. This means they don't have much to do. So, so we See them come down one after the other. But it turns out it was actually a setup up for a funny moment, which is that portion. They're all like, yes, yes. Oh, rhinestones. Yes, yes, chaps. Yeah. They're all, like, showing up their cowboy looks. And then Porsche comes down dressed all in black and is miserable. And the music's like. I was like, yes, someone ruined the fashion show. I love it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. So she has been having a great time. She's been partying. She's like, nothing's going to ruin this party. And now she's in black, you know, yoga pants or whatever. So she's very upset. And she tells us that after she talked to Dennis and Pilar, she got another phone call from production. Let's face it, you told her. Because nothing is happening anymore on this show. They're like, yeah, you can't be nice to Drew because it turns out Drew and Dennis have been filming behind your back. Dun, dun, dun. And then we see where Portia told Dennis in that car parked at the U Hat or wherever they were. The U Haul warehouse center. Where she was like, you show up on these cameras with anybody else, it's going to be a problem. And eight days later, Drew like, oh, my God, I'm so excited about this song. Relish. And he's like, yeah. Drop it like it's hot, Drew. Drop it like it's hot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Drop it like it's hot dog.

[Ronnie Karam]

Drop it like it's Drew. Drop it like it's true.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Porsche's like, yeah. So I was like, ultimately, like, super disappointed that he chose opportunity over family. Like, technically, you're also doing the same thing, but that's fine. So anyway, that they're all. She is just. Portia is just. She's just that person at the slumber party who wants people to be like, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? Because it's one thing for her to be annoyed, but she's like, like, huh? I don't want to talk. I'm upset. Don't. I'm fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Everything's fine. I'm just tired. I'm just tired.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm tired.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I'm just tired.

[Ben Mandelker]

Spend weekend. It's like, oh, come on. It's your party. It's your weekend.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we get a freak, kind of a freak out moment. Cuz this is the moment. We're like, okay, now the stripper is coming out because they're all gathered by the pool. And then a big smoke machine goes off, like, oh, my God, here comes the strippers And I felt so bad for this big guy who had to come out because the look on everyone's face is like, damn, why are you doing this to us? And he's like, hi, y'all, it's me. I'm gonna teach you some line dance. And they're like, fuck, man, why did the other cats get bolo? And we get this guy? And then he brought out the strippers who just still didn't strip. But I think that that's the way they, like, kept them happy. They're like, let's disappoint them, and then let's lower their expectations and then bring them back up so they. They'll stop thinking about BO they'll just be like, well, it's not bolo, but at least that guy's not taking up his clothes. I felt bad for the guy. I feel like that would be my job in the. In the catering night, you know? It's like, ronnie, go out there and warm up for the strippers.

[Ben Mandelker]

They were like, definitely, let's not bring bolo back again. Because Portia got into enough of a controversy with that. So let's just bring out we. Instead of Bolo. We have Bogot. We. We gotta buy one, get one free. Yeah. Cowboy stripper. And he's here. His name is Blake. And he's like, well, how we all doing? Look, we're gonna have a good time out here by the pool, okay? Happy birthday, sugar. Okay, ranch hands, you better get your asses out here. So, yeah, hot guys come out here.

[Ronnie Karam]

And they're happy again, because when this guy came out, they're like, really? And then the hot guys came out, like, yes, thank you. So they line dance, and then they make fun of each other line dancing. And Drew's like, Kelly's looking like a whole troll. Like, I don't know what's going on over there. And poor Kelly. Yeah. Isn't. Isn't doing great.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, me in a line dance, just all over the place, going in any. Any different direction.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't want to see me line dance. It's not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I. It's.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm too knocking into line dance.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it. And they were joking about how Angela was doing the wobble. And, like, I think I tried to learn the wobble, and I. I really lived up to the name. I wobbled. I wobbled and I cheated. And I. I was gonna say, I've.

[Ronnie Karam]

Been wobbling ever since I've ever tried to dance. It's the only thing I know how to do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, like wobble wobble? Yeah. Not I, I. It's. I. I don't even have two left feet. I just have just another hand down there. It's just all wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they make fun of each other, and then they finish and they go sit down, and they're having a great trip. It's the last night of the trip. Woohoo. But Portia's still like. So they're asking her over and over, what's wrong? It's like, at least fight. Like, we're all here for work, so if someone's going to fight, it's obviously going to be you, so start your fight. You're trying to start a fight, so just start your fight. But she's doing the whole, like, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so annoying. Okay, this is the. This is the side of Portia I can't stand. I can't stand, like, when she does this. Ah, she's gonna leave early or she's gonna be sullen or whatever. It's like, come on, lady. Come on, come on, we're watching you. You're on TV right now. So. So Brits, they're just trying to coax it out of her. She's like, I'm tired. And Jimmy is like, you know, like, she's like. She's like, she's getting mad about something. This is the last night she's gonna do. She's gonna do the one too. Like, do I need to drive a getaway car? Like, tell me what we're doing. And so they're trying to cheer her up and everything, but it doesn't work.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're basically trying to say, start the fight. Like, they keep giving her key lines and she won't do it. So Angela's like, okay, well, I guess we're at work, so I'll do it. So she's like, okay, so now you guys are calling me a victim. So. Oh, oh. So Brit is like, yeah, we had a good conversation today, right, Angela? And she goes, okay. And she goes, go ahead and tell them what we talked about. And she's like, well, you know, we said sometimes I can come across as a victim because you know what? I don't remember why I'm a victim. So maybe you could say that again. Like, I guess we're gonna have to rehash this fight since nothing's going on. So go ahead. And Britt's like, oh, she didn't learn anything from our Conversation in the whiskey place. I bet you don't even know how to get whiskey out of a barrel with a straw.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Angel's like, well, you said. You said that you and Portia shared the same sentiment. I mean, what did you call it last night, Portia? Victim Lena, you want. You want to get in on this argument? We're kind of, like, setting it up for you. Just. Victim Lena, remember when you said that you want to. You want to. You want to mix it up a little bit here?

[Ronnie Karam]

Because we're on camera.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Portia's like, nah, I don't remember. She's like, okay, noobs, you think you can do this? Let's watch you do it. And they're just, like, floundering, trying to get Portia into a fight. So Britt's like, well, well, Angela, I feel like you wanted Drew to come, even though Portia was like, she's not invited. Okay, there, Portia. I started it for you. You don't have to do it. So Angela's like, she never told me. She never told me that, so how was I supposed to know? And they're like, oh, my God. On the call, she said, only people on this call. She goes, but she didn't say she wasn't specifically invited, so maybe that's what you should say.

[Ben Mandelker]

Maybe Drew missed the call. Maybe Drew was supposed to be on the call. And Kelly's like, drew, did you miss the call? And she goes, I wasn't on the call. Kelly, were you invited to the call? No. And Angela's like, well, if I offended you, in a way, I apologize if she doesn't hear me. Or maybe you can, but, like, I really want to know, like, why am I the only one that's being held accountable? And Angela starts doing what I love about Angela also, her little gesture. She always holds up her fingers. She holds up her hands. It's like a little Heather Debro claw hand. But it's like an adorable version because it's going vertically up. It's like she's holding up an invisible card. Like, is this your card? Hard. But there's. It's, like, invisible. And she's like, I just want to know, why am I the only one who's held accountable? At which point, now Angela is going to try to deflect this in a very clunky manner. And they're like, what? What do you mean? She goes, like, I mean, Kelly, you asked the question initially. Did you get the answer? And it's a flashback to Kelly saying, like, what Was that the. Why did you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Why'd you still. Or whatever.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, okay, well, we've already looked. Look, we already had our fight. Then we resolved it today, me and Britt, and now we're gonna try and have it again. I don't wanna have that fight again. So, Kelly, you fight. So now they're playing hot potato with fights. So she's like, now you, Kelly, you call Portia a slut. Call her a slut. Do it. And so Kelly's like, that's separate situations. What are you talking about? She's like, be accountable. Be accountable. So Kelly's like, no, that's over now. She goes, but okay, well, now I'm talking about. Okay. So then Angela changes it again. She's like, okay, so you. You won't fight? Okay, let's get Portia to fight again. Portia, I want you to be accountable because the world wants to know. And no one got that answer. So why did you steal that lady's husband? And Cynthia's like, oh, my God. Listen, as the previous ground holder for most boring on this show for many, many years, I'd like to say, this is boring. I'm so bored. Here's the crown.

[Ben Mandelker]

Here's the crown.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's the crown. New cast taking it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Portia, would you like to answer Angela's question, which doesn't totally make sense? No, I want Angela to kiss my ass. And I say that in a quiet, sad way. And Cynthia's like, okay, well, I think we should just move on. Well, the rest of the world can kiss your ass, but I'm not going to kiss your ass.

[Ronnie Karam]

You first.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're gonna be the first one to kiss my ass. Really? That's how you feel? Yeah, that's how I feel. So Angela's like, oh, so you want me to kiss your ass? Ass? I don't want to kiss to. To kiss a fixer flat. Why do I have to kiss your ass when I'm just fix her flat. I was wondering what she said there. I was like, I'll find out tomorrow when I read the note.

[Ronnie Karam]

So that doesn't work because Portia's not going to fight with her. So this has all been a fail, right? So then Drew comes up and says, okay, well, I want to address the elephant in the room. Portia Angelica, Happy birthday. Now, you may have had my olive branches coming through, like me coming on this trip. You're welcome. And the bottle of whiskey that I got you for free from the place that you paid for, you're welcome as well. So why are you being mean to me? Why am I getting energy? And she's like, oh, my God. And Angela's like, just eat your chicken, for Christ's sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I just. It's just I'm trying to get these olive branches and I just want to catch up. Like, well, what do you have to catch up about? No, I wanted to sing my new song with Dennis called Ketchup. You put it on the hot dog, you put it on your eggs, you put it on your relationship and we catch up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hit the side over 57 and watch it squirt. Watch it squirt. So then Portia, Portia. So then she's like, well, I just don't want to have to deal with this. I wasn't invited. It's like, no one's fighting with you. This is so sad. I have to say this scene is very bad for this season because they should have just cut this whole scene because nothing's working. And they're just trying to start all these fights because they don't know what to do. They have nothing to talk about. They keep passing the potato. No fight, fight, start. This is a whole fail. And they should have just not aired this. You don't have to have 20 episodes a season.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't think it was a fail. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed them trying to figure out Portia. But I agree. Portia doing her whole thing, she kind of just shuts down what could be a much more entertaining scene. I found it baseline entertaining, but it could have been more. And this is kind of Portia's thing is that, like, when Porsche doesn't want to do something, she just doesn't do it. And it kind of like everything has to follow in that way.

[Ronnie Karam]

So they're all still fights. They're all things that have been done before. I think Por is just like, oh my God, Like, I'm not your dancing clown, okay? Like, we've already fought. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to fight with Drew again, you know? So Drew's not getting her fight. So she's like, well, I don't want to deal with this cuz I wasn't invited anyway. It's like, no one's fighting with you. What do you even matter about? So she gets laughed. And Portia's like, you, she. Well, no, she just tells us, like, you hopped your ass on a flight to a woman's birthday party who snuck up around and did scenes behind her back with the child's father. And Now I made you leave. Like, what? How is this my fault? So they're like, drew, you don't leave. And she's like, goodbye. Goodbye, everybody. I'm leaving. I have a record contract now. Cut it. Has it been a month yet? I owe 9.99, I think. But I'm gonna be upstairs.

[Ben Mandelker]

Portia's like, bye. And Portia's like, you know what? That's a mean girl. She's like, you know, give it. You know, give me all that. Like, I'm sitting down here. And she's like, oh. Like, Rangela was like, oh, whatever going on. And then you got Drew, and she's like, oh, my God. Drew with the dramatics. Oh, let's address the elephant in the room. I'm like, well, Portia, I know you're not the one complaining about dramatics who's walked in here the entire night being like. Like, I'm just tired.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's been a long weekend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. At least they were trying to make scenes, you know? So, yeah, it's over. It's like a very sad last night. They just go to bed. So then Angela and Shamia are talking in one room, and Drew's like, I'm just like, this isn't fair. With all I'm dealing with, I can't insult. Subject myself to insults and attacks. No one attacked you. Literally, no one insulted you or attacked you at that dinner, you weirdo. So then you came.

[Ben Mandelker]

You came. In fact, if anything, you came on. On a trip that you knew you were not invited to. You knew it was gonna be hostile. And when you. And when you. You tried it, you were trying it with your little speech. You knew. You knew. You were basically trying to corner Portia into being nice or to have a reaction, and you were trying it, and she didn't give you anything. And I forgot what I was gonna say. The point is, Drew. Drew's wrong.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then Drew and Cynthia. I mean, Portia and Cynthia are in her room, and she's like. You know, she tells her she got a phone call that she found out about Dennis and Drew. And she's like, you know, this sucks, and we're going through a divorce. We were married for, like, 15 minutes. It's rough on me, and this energy isn't for anybody else. And she's telling her, like, I'm not gonna come for Drew. Basically, she's like, I'm not. This isn't even about Drew. Dennis is gonna get all of this. I'm not married to Drew, so I kind of like that, you know, that she's like, all right. I mean, I've already talked to Drew. Drew's not gonna listen to a damn thing I say, so whatever. Yeah, but Dennis.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. And then Portia is. Then Portia's kind of like. They have, like, a nice moment where she's like. Like, you know, like, if you. If you started a podcast with your ex and then. And then you brought onto the show, like, how would you feel? And Cynthia's like, I wouldn't like that. And. And then basically, you know, she's saying, like, Dennis is the only one who's obligated to her, and, yeah, he's gonna get all this energy. And then she's. And then Cynthia really sort of, like, lifts her up, and Porsche is like, wow. Like. Like, no one gets me like you. Because basically, we go back the farthest out of this whole group, and I'm just so glad you came on this trip. And, I don't know, I was kind of thinking maybe I might kick you in the stomach for old time's sake, just to remember the good old days.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now it's later, and people are partying outside. So she goes down. So they go down. So they all party, and they're getting wasted and being like, woo. They're doing the Nashville woos. So then Angela's just getting ready for bed, and meanwhile, all the ladies are yelling in the background, jumping in the pool, et cetera. And so now it's 8:16 in the morning the next day, and people are waking up and gossiping about the night before. And Britt's like, oh, my God, I don't even want to see that pool. There's, like, dollar bills floating around in there. Oh, my God. And then Angela was looking out the window, recording us at the pool.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. I love Angela. Yes. So. So she's like, yeah, it's a recording. I just thought Angela is this, like, spooky lady in the window with the recording. So Angela is like. She's. She's. We see a clip of. It's like 1:56am And Shamia's loudly yelling in the pool, just having a fun time. And then we hear Angela say, so I heard some things yesterday that I wish I didn't hear. And the producer's like, like what? Well, around last night, about 2:30 in the morning, I was on the phone with my husband, which. Talking to Charles at 2:30 in the morning, okay. And I hear my name, and I look out the window, and I see Portia, Shamia, Kelly, and Brit in the pool and Portia was inebriated and all of her truth fell out. When I hear is. What I hear is them just talking about my dress. And they spoke about my husband last night. And she says I should Charles. And they continue to talk about me. And I said, you know what? Let me record them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she hears them talking and whips out her phone to record it. So we see a clip of the video and thank you, by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you. Thank you for doing the job that someone else should be doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly. Because, you know, well, actually, this time they were recording. They were just downstairs recording the craziness. And those cameramen were probably pissed because season after season, people like us, like, why did you miss all this good stuff? You guys went home early, you lame asses. And then now they're recording and nothing's happening. They're like, oh, just sitting there watching people get shit faced for four hours. So, yeah, Angela records it and there's nothing really on the.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nothing. There's.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's nothing there. So she's like, it was short because I was like, okay, I'm just gonna go down there and see what they wanted. So then we see a flashback, and Portia's like, oh, you, you. So you came down here to tell me that you heard me say Charles's name? And Angela's like, yeah. She said, I didn't say anything about you. I didn't say anything about your husband, But I heard him. Because basically she said, I'm gonna fuck her husband if she doesn't watch out. She goes, then you gotta worry because Portia will fuck your husband. I've seen this show. So then Portia's talking about how creepy it is. It doesn't become a Salt Lake City thing. Like, oh, my God, how dare you record us, Brittany? How dare you record us?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, that's because they didn't have someone who had the simultaneous pressures of being on a TV show while also congratulating her daughter on getting a good score at Matt Math. So Britney would have done a better job. Britney would have kept that thing rolling for a long time. So the producer's like, did you talk about Angela or Charles at the pool? And Porsche's like, I didn't say anything. Okay. But, like, we saw that she did say something. And you know, because Kelly's like, I thought we're just having a fun time out there or whatever. And Brits, we hear Brit's like, she's like, well, I heard that Charles had a baby. And Shamia said that he always is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Out on with these different women, allegedly. Yeah. And Kelly says, yeah. Portia said she better stop before I. Her husband. Dun, dun, dun. So now Kelly and no, wait, who's she with? Angela and Kelly, Well, Kelly comes down, she's like, hello, how are you? And does that in that fakie voice. She's like, I'm not in the mood for fake today. She's like, I'm always like this in the morning. Like, oh, God. And she's in, like, stiletto heels and she's. Kelly tries very hard, I'll give her that. There's, like, definitely effort being made, at least. So I love that. Going to the airport and, like, stiletto heels after a long weekend. So she's trying to start, and Angela's not having it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Angel's like, how, how, how. How much louder can I tap on my phone to show I don't want to talk to you? And so Angela's like, I've been attacked and attacked and attacked. So in this moment, I'm like. Like, I don't give a. I walked in this door grown, and I will leave out of here grown, and you're not going to disrespect me. The buck stops here with the. Shamia is a puppet. Brit is a puppet. All of them are puppets for Porsche.

[Ronnie Karam]

Puppets for Porsche.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's where it ends with Angela. You know, Angela. I mean, look, the. The audience already. Angela's a fan favorite this season, and now she's going to be cemented as fan favorite because now she's. Now she is the victim of the cast. So congratulations, Angela. You did it perfectly.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I saw an interview where she explained the Charles Oakley had a baby rumor. Do you want to see it or do you want to? Do you want me to tell you or do you want to just let it play out? She said that she was at a party and she saw Wendy Williams and she's like, wendy, you know, forgive your man. It's just a baby. Something like that. And Wendy's like, shut the fuck up. Has that ever happened to you? That a man just has a baby on you? And she said, yes, it has happened to me. And then she pointed at Charles and was like, oh, my God, no way. So then Wendy goes on her show and she's like, oh, yeah, Charles Oakley had a baby on Angela. So then she's like, no, no, I didn't mean Charles, my previous husband, had a baby on me. And that's like my favorite child. He's 25 now, or she's 25. Now. And so it wasn't Charles. She was talking about someone else, but she learned about opening your mouth to Wendy Williams. Williams.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, that's interesting. Well, I wonder if that baby is that, that, that, that that baby now has a house, her aunt and her mother or something like that. There's all sorts of weird stuff going on in Angela's family, which I love personally. Yeah, I love Angela and I liked her emerging from this place, being like all these women.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think she's all right. Everybody, thanks so much for being here. We will be back later with some Top Chef and tonight with crappy hour live at 5:30 Pacific Time. Every other Monday is when it's at. So we'll see you then. And thanks for being here. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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