#2822 Crappy Hour 4/28/2025: RHOSLC Dramz, Dorit Files For Divorce w/ Special Guest Adam Roberts

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #2822 Summary: "Crappy Hour 4/28/2025: RHOSLC Dramz, Dorit Files For Divorce w/ Special Guest Adam Roberts"

Release Date: April 30, 2025

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the latest dramas and developments within the Bravo universe, with a particular focus on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC). The episode is enriched by insights from special guest Adam Roberts, who offers a unique perspective on Bravo star cookbooks. Below is a detailed summary capturing all the key discussions, insights, and humorous exchanges from the episode.

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1. RHOSLC Divorce Drama: Dorit Files for Divorce

The episode kicks off with startling news from RHOSLC as Dorit Kemsley officially files for divorce from Mauricio Umansky (PK). The hosts dissect the timing and implications of this move, especially considering the strategic point just after the ten-year mark, a critical juncture in marriage separations.

Ben Mandelker [04:37]:
"Because we separated a year ago. But apparently she put on her separation filing date. Separated TBA or TBD so who knows?"

Ronnie Karam [05:26]:
"Dorit put on her separation filing date... he’s been seen kissing a new woman."

The discussion highlights PK's increasingly publicized actions, including his interactions on social media and his new romantic interests, which contribute to the unfolding drama.

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2. Guest Segment: Bravo Star Cookbooks with Adam Roberts

Special guest Adam Roberts joins the hosts to discuss the niche but fascinating world of Bravo star cookbooks. Adam provides an expert analysis on which cookbooks stand out and the role of ghostwriters in bringing these celebrity culinary creations to life.

Ronnie Karam [15:13]:
"She's doing something I've been wanting to talk about, which is Bravo cookbooks..."

Adam Roberts [15:08]:
"I think Caroline Manzo’s book is the most legit. She has recipes that actually look good and it’s not as campy as some of the others."

They particularly praise Caroline Manzo's Food and Other Things I Love, noting its appealing aesthetics and practical recipes that set it apart from typical celebrity cookbooks. Adam also touches on the challenges ghostwriters face in maintaining authenticity while expanding limited personal recipes into comprehensive cookbooks.

Ben Mandelker [23:51]:
"Do you think ghostwriters are actually creating new recipes or just adding fluff to existing ones?"

Adam Roberts [24:55]:
"A lot of celebrities don’t have enough material, so ghostwriters have to fill in the gaps, making the book both comprehensive and personal."

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3. Rumors and Speculations: Bronwyn's Allegations

The hosts address swirling rumors about Bronwyn Newport from RHOSLC facing serious allegations, including grand theft and fraud. They contemplate the validity of these claims, which have surfaced from unverified sources like Reddit and minor news outlets.

Ronnie Karam [08:27]:
"Broad Bronwyn from SLC is facing identity fraud allegations. Honestly, I have no solid info on this."

Ben Mandelker [09:24]:
"Her Instagram is filled with red carpet moments followed by walls of text denying rumors. It’s confusing and overwhelming."

The conversation underscores the difficulty in discerning truth from falsehood in the realm of reality TV gossip, emphasizing the need for credible sources before jumping to conclusions.

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4. Meredith Marks and Britney Bateman Altercations

The hosts explore the contentious relationship between Meredith Marks and Britney Bateman, including rumors of Meredith being suspended from the show due to heated exchanges. They analyze the potential impact of these altercations on their careers and the show’s dynamics.

Ronnie Karam [11:48]:
"Meredith and Britney have had some intense fights, but nothing that should lead to a suspension."

Ben Mandelker [12:45]:
"A source close to production says the rumors about Meredith’s suspension are incorrect."

Despite the heated nature of their interactions, it appears that the suspensions are unfounded, though the tension between the two remains a focal point for fans.

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5. Upcoming Bravo Shows: Real Housewives Meets Wife Swap

A significant portion of the episode discusses Bravo’s rumored plans to launch a Wife Swap-style show featuring Real Housewives cast members. Ben and Ronnie express mixed feelings about this potential addition to Bravo’s lineup.

Ronnie Karam [39:30]:
"They're planning a show where Real Housewives swap families. I’m not sure if I like the idea."

Ben Mandelker [40:17]:
"It seems highly scripted and not something I'm interested in watching."

The hosts debate the creative merit and potential execution of such a show, questioning whether it would genuinely capture the essence of the cast members or fall flat as another reality TV formula.

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6. Julia and Adriana's Breakup

The episode covers the recent breakup between Julia and Adriana from RHOSLC, highlighting Julia's reflections on trust and personal growth.

Ben Mandelker [53:02]:
"Julia mentioned that she finally sees things as they are and regrets not trusting the advice she was given."

Ronnie Karam [53:56]:
"Julia trusts God now, but who are you gonna trust instead?"

Their dialogue emphasizes the emotional turmoil and personal revelations that often accompany high-profile relationships in reality TV.

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7. Vanderpump Rules Updates

Ben and Ronnie shift focus to Vanderpump Rules, discussing the ongoing dynamics, including the introduction of new cast members and the rumored departure of Avi.

Ronnie Karam [46:11]:
"There are rumors Avi left the show. It’s official Bravo news."

Ben Mandelker [48:49]:
"Losing Sutton, Garcelle, and Avi is a tough blow for the show."

They speculate on the future of the series, pondering how these changes might influence its direction and viewer engagement.

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8. Karen's Prison Stay and Related Drama

The episode touches on Karen’s current situation, detailing her interactions and the public’s reaction to her behavior while incarcerated.

Ronnie Karam [49:28]:
"Karen is reportedly doing great in prison, running the place like a champion."

Ben Mandelker [52:52]:
"She’ll be telling stories, which is exactly what she loves."

The hosts humorously discuss Karen's adaptability and the inevitable drama that continues to surround her, even behind bars.

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9. Listener Comments and Audience Interaction

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie engage with listener comments, addressing various rumors and thoughts shared by their audience. They maintain a playful yet critical tone, often mocking the sensational nature of Bravo's reality TV narratives.

Ronnie Karam [37:03]:
"Someone’s saying I can turn the dryer alarm off. How do I do that?"

Ben Mandelker [38:38]:
"Magic."

These interactions showcase the hosts' ability to balance serious discussion with lighthearted banter, keeping the conversation lively and entertaining.

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10. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Ben and Ronnie reflect on the enduring appeal of Bravo shows despite their often convoluted storylines and cast dramas. They reaffirm their commitment to providing candid and humorous commentary, ensuring that listeners stay informed and entertained.

Ben Mandelker [60:58]:
"We’re going to fully support the new Vanderpump Rules cast."

Ronnie Karam [61:21]:
"Thanks for being here. We'll talk to you next time."

Their final remarks encapsulate the essence of Watch What Crappens—a blend of critical analysis and affectionate mockery of Bravo’s favorite reality TV moments.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ben Mandelker [00:00]:
  "Mission Impossible the Final Reckoning is the biggest practical action movie ever made..."

• Ronnie Karam [03:07]:
  "I've just been lying in bed looking at housewives links and interesting stuff going on."

• Adam Roberts [15:01]:
  "I've been a food blogger for 20 years, so I'm like an old man in the food blogosphere."

• Ronnie Karam [17:05]:
  "She doesn’t care. She’s never home anywhere. He’s at the brownstone causing trouble."

• Ben Mandelker [23:51]:
  "Do you think ghostwriters are actually creating new recipes or just adding fluff to existing ones?"

• Ronnie Karam [35:13]:
  "You're making out with an Amazing Race lady. I think she has a right to play the victim."

• Ben Mandelker [38:12]:
  "I've seen it. It was just a dick. It was unremarkable."

• Ronnie Karam [52:28]:
  "She’s being awful in prison, but she loves a captive audience."

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This episode of Watch What Crappens masterfully navigates through the labyrinth of Bravo's reality TV exposé, offering listeners an informed and entertaining analysis of their favorite shows. With insightful commentary and engaging guest input, Ben and Ronnie ensure that fans stay connected to the ever-evolving stories within the Bravo community.

Transcript

[Ben Mandelker]

Mission Impossible the Final Reckoning is the biggest practical action movie ever made, topping everything that has come before it with even more unbelievable real stunts, giving audiences an unprecedented, unforgettable edge of your seat experience that is meant to be seen on the big screen.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's the best and biggest mission yet and the most fun you'll have at the theaters this summer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Man, I remember watching the first Mission Impossible when Tom Cruise was dangling above those lasers and it's been great ever since.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, he really does all that stuff too. That's why it's exciting to it. I've seen all of them. Tom's passion for entertaining audiences has him, along with the dedicated cast and crew, pulling out all the stops to deliver the most thrilling, unbelievable feats yet.

[Ben Mandelker]

See Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning only in theaters Friday, May 23rd.

[Ronnie Karam]

One of the reasons we love watching Bravo shows is for the luxury. I mean, come on. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, most of the time I can just watch it for the shots of the gorgeous city and the houses and.

[Ben Mandelker]

And let's not Forget Lisa Barlow's $60,000 ring that she lost.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, heck yeah. If you're looking for a way to experience luxury for yourself, try Virgin Voyages.

[Ben Mandelker]

Over $1,000 in value is included in every sailing. Everything they offer, from their menus created by Michelin star chefs to their cabins designed by top international firms, is the pinnacle of luxury.

[Ronnie Karam]

Virgin Voyages cruises are kid free and catered to adult tastes. And they have some incredible destinations. We're talking Caribbean escapes, Iceland and the British Isles M York. You can even live out your below deck Med fantasy with their luxe voyage in the Med.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am so excited to go on my first Virgin cruise. You know, the idea of a kid free ship is very appealing to me. And all these menus, it's like definitely a boat made for Ben.

[Ronnie Karam]

It looks like a giant gorgeous club with fabulous rooms. I cannot wait to go. Book now@virgin voyages.com or contact your travel advisor.

[Adam Roberts]

When a young woman named Desiree vanishes without a trace, the trail leads to Kat Taurus, a charismatic influencer with millions of followers. But behind the glamorous posts and inspirational quotes, a sinister truth unravels. Binge all episodes of Don't Cross Cat early and ad free on Wondery.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, hello everybody. Sorry there. I had forgotten to close one of my windows. So I had. I had it blaring and all these different things. Hi everybody. Welcome to watch what crappin crappy hour. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. What's going on with you tonight?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, just having a nice, casual Monday. Ready to embrace the week. What's going on with you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Embrace that week, Ben. Nothing. You know, I've just been. We recorded a lot today, and then I just lie in bed and looked at housewives links and a lot of interesting stuff going on in the housewives world. And, you know, like, normal, like, a lot of interesting stuff, but at the same time, absolutely nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Which is kind of the best stuff. But it's absolutely nothing. Yeah, there's been a lot of, like, fun things, you know, of course, there's, like, pecan dorit news. There's news about Mia Thornton. There's just. There's, like, a lot and nothing all at once. And I see right here in the comments people are already talking about Love Hotel, which we are going to recap tomorrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, we will be recapping Love Hotel tomorrow. I'm so excited to recap that. We watched it today and, wow, that's a lot of. I mean, Shannon will just fall in love with a thumb. Like, a thumb could walk out and be breathing, and Shannon will be like, you're better than David. I hope it works out. It's like, Shannon, it's been five minutes. Jesus. This woman meets a man, and within five minutes, it's like, well, I just went through the roughest year of my life. I normally am just such a good mother, but I had too much to drink. I was just drinking all the time. Every day. Every five minutes. About five minutes had passed. I had a drink, and I ran into a flower pot in. Into another house. So normally I wouldn't drive drunk, but I did. And a floor. A poor flower pot suffer a flower pot. You. You knocked into the house.

[Ben Mandelker]

You did not crash into a planter. You crash into the side of someone's house. It's on video. Wouldn't expect anything less from a real housewife, though. But, yeah, like the moment that that one guy, Earl the Pearl, as they call him, or at least Luanda's. Here comes Earl the Pearl. As soon as he said he lost his wife to leukemia, I was like, okay, Shannon's in love.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's a thumb. But a thumb with a paper cut. I love him.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so in love. So we have that coming up. And of course, Giselle is coming in and immediately being messy. We see previews for the next week, and Giselle's already trying to take Shannon's man just to make Shannon cry, which works immediately. So it Looks like it's gonna be fun. I think we're gonna have a good time with that recap. So that should be out sometime tomorrow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Way better than I thought it would be. I'm really excited to recap that tomorrow.

[Ronnie Karam]

It is not better than I thought it would be, which is why I love it. It is exactly it. It is exactly what I thought it would be. It's every. It's everything I pictured.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, okay, that's fair.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is not a compliment. And I. And I absolutely loved it.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know who I love? That one guy who said like two words and, like, no one talked to him the entire time. He sort of was like. He sort of walked around like a blazer and a T shirt. He's like, hey, ladies. And then he was just, like, ignored the rest of the time.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, the guys are going to be fun to talk. I mean, there's one clear gay. I mean, I know we're not supposed to specify on gayness or whatever, but we're gay and that's just what happens. Sorry. But there is, like one clearly gay shell necklace wearing man there, which is hilarious. And he's just so excited to be around the house. So he's like, hey, girl. Hey, take me on a date.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was really good. Really, really good. Very happy with it. We're gonna have a lot of fun with that one. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then we have some old, you know, some stuff that we didn't get to in actually the past two crappy hours. But people keep asking me, and at first I didn't bring this up because I thought, is this slander and is this even true? Because it's stuff that I read on Reddit, you know? And so I'm like, should we even bring this up? Is this true? But you guys are asking about it every week. I still have no idea if it's true, but it has caught traction with major legitimate news sources such as Oka Magazine. This is an extremely legitimate, trustworthy news source. Oklahoma News.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so intrigued. What is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't know what it is? You don't know what I'm going to bring up.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is it about Sheena Shay being on the Masked Singer? Because we never discussed that.

[Ronnie Karam]

We did discuss it, actually. She was on there. Yeah. So was Erica. That shows a wasteland. That shows a wasteland. But yeah, yeah, we discussed Shina Shea, I think.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I don't seem to remember discussing it on Crappy Hour, but that's okay. I still think it's very funny that they made Shino Shea, a singing dancing bat. And then they had Larsa Pippin on there, guessing who. Her identity, who. It was like, is it like. Well, actually wasn't actually.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it like Hillary Clinton?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I'm sorry, Larsa Pippen wasn't on there. Sorry. Jenny McCarthy thought it was Larsa Pippin singing. Which is also funny that someone would have confused Sheena Shannon Marie for Larsa Pippin.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is. That's better than. You know. What's sadder than being on the Masked Singer? Someone that thinks you sound like Larsa Pippen. It's like, how can we just kick the woman while she's down? She's already on the Masked Singer, for Christ's sake.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, apparently Robin think guessed Bethenny Frankel for Sheena, which is really like. I mean, I think if Bethany Frankel is singing a song, I think you're gonna know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Is it just like things that give me a headache just by opening their mouths? It's not the Pyramid, sir, or Family Feud.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, what's your news?

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's not really my news, and this is really old. I'm sure all the listeners have already heard this, but I kept reading about this and thinking, is this shit true or is this just Reddit craziness? Broad Bronwyn from SLC rho Salt Lake City star Bronwyn Newport arrives late to cast trip amid identity fraud allegations. Have you heard of this? So apparently she's being accused of all this stuff and there's someone on Twitter who found all these documents and stuff saying that she's been accused of, like, grand theft auto three times and fraud. So I don't really know that much about it, except I can't wait for the season because, you know, they're going to be bringing this up all over the season and, you know, I would love a Bronwyn fraud allegation, because the Ronnie Caram allegation is lies. You are full of lies. You have a disease, ma'am, and it's called liabilities. So I. I'm interested to see it on the show. But have you heard anything about any of this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Um, yeah, sort of like glimpses of it. You know, I follow Bronwyn on. On my Instagram and every now and then, you know, most of her stories are like, her being like, I'm a red carpet. Like, here I am wearing something, and then all of a sudden there'll be like a story that has all this, and she's like, if you want to see what the lies are about me, read all this and know that if you really knew me, you knew this was all a lie, and it's all bullshit. And I'm always like, whoa. Because it's always like a big wall of, like, text and quotes and everything. And then all of a sudden, it's back to, like, red carpets, and I'm like, what happened? It's almost like, too much for the process. So I just kind of brought it up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone Antilane is saying, I think it was Grand Theft, not Grand Theft Auto. You know what? I just downloaded the LEGO version of Grand Theft Auto, by the way. I was like, a LEGO game.

[Ben Mandelker]

I would love. For the next. Please. Let's have the next. Please have Bronwyn Starr, the next, like, protagonist of Grand Theft Auto. Like, Grand Theft Auto 6. Is Bronwyn just, like, going through Salt Lake City?

[Ronnie Karam]

Be like, mm, mm, mm.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, maybe if you thought about that. Mm, you wouldn't have said that so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mm. Okay, so just. And this. And this is why I didn't bring it up, because I don't have enough evidence. It's just stuff I'm reading on Twitter and stuff. Someone said it's Grand Theft, not Grand Theft Auto. Someone said it's. It's a guy on Twitter who apparently has it out for her. And someone says, wait, she stole vehicles? No, I'm sorry. I corrected that already.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is how it happens. This is how the rumors start.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm so confused. Hey, Ronnie, I got a solo wave. Okay, so congratulations. Those are great machines. So I don't know, but that's just a little amuse boosh for the next few weeks while stuff comes out of it that about this. So let's just see what happens. I hope. I hope it's true just because. What a fun story. Listen, I love some housewives engaging in criminal activity.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, and as long as they're talking about Salt Lake City, like, one thing, I noticed on our little document here that I really enjoyed this little thing, this headline that Meredith Marks was rumored to be suspended because of a fight with Britney Bateman. In what world does Meredith Marks get suspended? Does she do something that would cause her to be suspended? She's a lawyer. She would never do anything that would get her on the wrong side of the rules, I would think. But this is a rumor that's been going around. May or may not be too. May or may not be legit, though.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Meredith and Britney get into some pretty nasty altercations and have some blowout fights, but nothing that warrants a suspension. She just hit below the belt. The Rumor started on Wednesday when a Bravo fan account posted on X allegedly Meredith got suspended for flipping out on Britney after a huge fight. Don't, don't, don't. I mean, I don't know. What was it what they call each other's children?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you know, there was. I'm not sure what it was. I was reading another article about this and let me see if I can pull this up. But that article was surmising that maybe like the basis of it was actually vaguely political. But then it was like a source close to production says the rumors and the nastiness pun included are incorrect. So apparently this is really just a rumor. According to. According to. I think it was like a reality blurb. Let me, let me see if I can find that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh God. It's all just rumors today. Do we have proof on crap today? No, that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

We never do.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's why we're podcasters, not news people. Listen, okay, magazine, I need more from you if you're going to be doing this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. Yeah. A source told the US son Meredith has not been suspended from the show. She is not pleased about the rumors and nastiness. Pun intended. So the. I guess the rumor was that Meredith supposedly stopped filming mid season because of comments that she reportedly made about our star that they like Hippolyte the belt. There was, according to source, the discord stem from both personal issues and political disagreements. So I mean, whoever decides to get involved in a political discussion with Brittany Bateman, I mean, I don't. You're already.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, especially Salt Lake City. Did you see that clip? That was of Melee, Melly, whatever her name was, who got left. She. She got left from the show. You guys. I'm getting dumber day by day. She got fired from the show or cut out of the show after she was making. People found all these, you know, like super trumpy conservative comments on her Instagram about like gay marriage and you know, blah, blah. She's pretty much don't say gay. One of those. And so she went on some podcasts. I was like the meanest people to me ever on my social media have been the gays. Sorry to say it. I'm so sorry to say it, but the gays are attacking me. So Salt Lake City, you just never want to get into a political discussion with those people. It's never going to end in a way you think?

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that. Like she's a don't say gay person. And then a shock that gay people are hostile to her on social.

[Ronnie Karam]

I know it's Crazy, right? She's like, you know what? Gay people shouldn't have equal rights. Why are you so mad? Eff it. So let's. You know what? We have a guest here. Let's have some talking.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we guys, we actually have a guest. Okay. So coming to the grand stage is an old friend of mine who actually has a new book out, and he is a author and also a cookbook author. And he is going to answer some questions or we're just going to talk to him, really, about, like, Bravo cookbooks and the whole world of that. Please welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Roberts. Hey, Adam. What's going on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Hey.

[Desiree]

Thank you for having me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello.

[Ronnie Karam]

How are you doing?

[Desiree]

I'm good. I'm eating up all your gossip and enjoying it. It's delicious.

[Ronnie Karam]

You love all our facts that we're serving up.

[Desiree]

Yes, totally.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Adam has. Adam has a brand new book out. It's called Food Person, which. You should look at that. Oh, my God, how convenient. You have a copy right there.

[Desiree]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Person.

[Ben Mandelker]

Food person. And you all should buy it and read it and then tell your friends. But Adam, also. Adam is a published cookbook author. How many cookbooks have you written at this point?

[Desiree]

Adam written two cookbooks and one book of essays about cooking. So I've been doing this. I've been a food blogger for 20 years, so I'm like an old man in the food blogosphere, but, yeah, that's me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So we want to ask you about Bravo cookbooks, because this isn't. This is an important sub. Subculture in our. In our Bravo world. Bravo cookbooks. Which Bravo cookbooks do you think have the most merit? It seemed like they have the most legs. Like, this is the one that you probably want to cook from the most.

[Desiree]

I think this is an easy question because one Bravo star wrote a great cookbook that came out recently, and that was Caroline Manz. Her book Food and Other Things I Love, is, like, in its own tier because it looks like the kind of cookbook that you would want to buy anyway, and it just happens to be by a housewife. It's not quite as campy or as fun to, you know, poke fun at as some of the other ones. Because I think she usually. Yeah, she's kind of in on the joke, but her recipes look really good and she looks really good. Like, she has, like, a shock of, like, white gray hair and she has these big, thick glasses. I don't know. I kind of like the whole esthetic of it. So I'm very pro. Caroline, Manzo, Cookbook.

[Ronnie Karam]

What kind of stuff is in there? I mean, is it just, like your typical. Is it like, rigatoni? You know, is it, like, your typical Italian affair?

[Desiree]

I mean, look, I'll be honest without trying to sound snobby. I don't think any housewife cookbook is particularly groundbreaking in terms of the food that's in there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Desiree]

Caroline's book is the most legit. She has, like, things in there that, like, I was surprised by. Like, she has, like, a sandwich with blue cheese and prosciutto, which I was like, whoa, that's, like, super intense. And not the kind of sandwich I would think a housewife would eat, but, you know, it would give you really bad breath and make you very gassy, but it would.

[Ronnie Karam]

She doesn't care. She's married to Albert. She doesn't care. She's never home anywhere. He's at the brownstone causing trouble.

[Desiree]

Right? Yeah, she doesn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I did leave through that one, and I actually was a little surprised, too, because it's like, the food photography is very current.

[Desiree]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it's not like, in, like. It's not so much like the celebrity cookbook normally. Celebrity cookbook, There's a lot of glam photos where there's sometimes not even food. It's just someone kind of, like, sitting there smiling. And this one looked like it kind of was in, like, the realm of, like, current, you know, current, like, cookbook styling, you know, which was shocking.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, yes.

[Desiree]

She looked less like a Bravo star and more like a Brooklyn hipster, which is, like, not what you'd expect, but it kind of works.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she kind of. She's. She's somebody who looks, like, better with age with her, like, gray hair and stuff like that. She looks better not in a ball gown at a reunion for some reason. So. You know, her sons helped bring BLK water block water to the market, their claim to fame. Right.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so sad about that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Desiree]

I mean, I watched all the New Jersey Housewives, so I know all of that, but I don't. Yeah. What became of that?

[Ronnie Karam]

It's still. It's out there. Like, it's successful. I think they sold it. I don't think they have a part to anything to do with it. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappens commercial.

[Adam Roberts]

Everyone has that friend who seems kind of perfect for Patty. That friend was Desiree, until one day.

[Ronnie Karam]

I texted her, and she was not getting the text, so I went to Instagram. She has no Instagram.

[Ben Mandelker]

Anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Facebook. No Facebook anymore.

[Adam Roberts]

Desiree was gone. And there was one person who knew the answer.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am a spiritual person, a magical.

[Adam Roberts]

Person, a witch, a gorgeous Brazilian influencer called Kat Torres. But who was hiding a secret from wondering. Based on my smash hit podcast from Brazil comes a new series, Don't Cross Cat, about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm calling to check on the two.

[Ronnie Karam]

Missing Brazilian girls, maybe get some undercover crew there.

[Ben Mandelker]

The family are freaking out.

[Ronnie Karam]

They are lost.

[Adam Roberts]

I'm Chico Felitti. You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Monica Lewinsky]

At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up, they connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's talk about the Jersey Housewives. Who else have you read? Let's have a. Let's have a Jersey housewives cookbook fight.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Desiree]

Okay, so there are two others that I encountered. Correct me, you know, maybe in the comments people can tell me if I missed one. But there's Teresa, of course, who somebody just left the comment. I saw the ingredients and the coming. And Teresa has fabulicious and skinny Italian. And then there's Kathy Wakeile. Is that how you say her name?

[Ben Mandelker]

That is correct.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wakely.

[Desiree]

And she has a book called Indulge, which is a dessert cookbook. And she has a chapter called now that's using your gaggood, which I have to say in my history of collecting cookbooks, I've never seen the word goose in a cookbook before. So that was very exciting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Cannolis unattended. Teresa.

[Desiree]

Teresa's book is hilarious because she. It's all about how she really eats this food and she doesn't diet, and people don't believe her. And she had all these children and. But she didn't know she really uses olive oil. She really uses. And it's like, yeah, it raises some eyebrows, but, you know, if it works for her, that's great.

[Ronnie Karam]

What are Theresa's recipes? Like, are there a lot of ingredients, or does she. Are they really, like, super simple? Do you believe that she wrote them? Let me ask you the truth, because.

[Desiree]

You know, I gotta say, like, she seems like she really cooks. Like, on the show. Like, I mean, there's so many scenes of her really cooking that I do think she has family recipes. Whether or not she eats them is a completely different question, but I do think she has her real recipes. And they're all. Listen, I mean, they're all like marinara sauce and, you know, things with cooking garlic bread and pasta. There's nothing, again, like, nothing that would shock you. I mean, the most shocking thing was that blue cheese sandwich from Caroline Manzo.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I love that. That's like the. I love that. That's the thing that has kind of like, halted you here. A blue cheese sandwich.

[Desiree]

I mean, that's so intense. I mean, can you imagine eating a giant sandwich of blue cheese and prosciutto?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's. That is very intense for them. So, like, I want to know about also, like, cookbook ghost writing, because I can't imagine that Teresa. Teresa is not writing this book. I'm sorry. She is not. And I wonder, like, what is the role of, like, a ghost writer when it comes to these books? Like, are they. Are they actually, like, coming up with some of these recipes? Like, is it. Is there sometimes a thing where, like, okay, we have someone like Teresa who's got family recipes. She's got, like, 25 family recipes, but the book needs to have 80. So ghostwriter come in and fill in the recipes, or does she provide all the recipes and then ghostwriter just does the fluff?

[Desiree]

Well, Ben, you really are a friend because you just teed up my novel beautifully. I didn't even realize, because the premise of my novel is an aspiring food writer takes a job ghostwriting a celebrity's cookbook, and the celebrity is sort of like a fallen star who the last vestige of staying famous is to try to write a cookbook so she can stay relevant and go on talk shows. And I came up with the idea to write this book because I ghostwrote a celebrity's cookbook, and unfortunately, I signed an NDA, so I can't tell you who it was. I was not a housewife. But a lot of the job is just, like, sussing out material, trying to get any stories, any family recipes, anything you can out of the person that you're ghost writing for so you can fill up a book. And it's harder than it seems because whereas a typical cookbook author might have a lot to say about how to cook corn or how to peel a carrot or whatever, a lot of celebrities who write these books don't really necessarily have a lot to say on the subject. So that's where the ghost writer or has to get to work.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, especially someone who's a food blogger. Right. Because you guys know how to really make those. Stretch. I looked up a recipe just for cookies because I was like, I haven't made these cookies in so long, and I didn't have my recipe on me. So I was just, like, checking the amount of brown sugar compared to regular sugar. So I looked it up online, and I scrolled for five pages while this lady talked about her marriage. I was like, lady, it's fucking chocolate chip cookies. Can you get on with it? I know.

[Desiree]

Yeah, it is. There's a reason that that is the case, and I don't think most people realize it. It's because people who do that are trying to have a higher SEO on Google. So it's like you're doing a chocolate chip cookie recipe, and then you write like, a little essay beforehand where you're like, my grandmother's chocolate chip cookies were the best chocolate chip cookies I've ever had. And I love chocolate chip cookies. And you keep saying it over and over and over again, and it makes your search result higher. So when people Google chocolate chip cookies, that's why that's like that. But I never did that.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's also the way Teresa Giudice talks. Teresa Giudice literally talks in SEO. She's like, one of the reasons why I make it, because my grandmother make it, and that's why I really like it. So my grandmother made it, so that's why I make the cookies, because I really like it, because my grandmother made it.

[Desiree]

So, yeah, she'd be a great blogger.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. All right, well, everyone, you all have to go check out Adam's new book. Get it on wherever. Is it on Amazon, all that stuff?

[Desiree]

Oh, yeah, it's on Amazon. It's on. Yeah. On bookshop.org and at your local bookstore.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, yes, it's called Food Person by Adam Roberts. You can follow Adam Amateur Gourmet on Instagram. Do it. We Both follow you. I've made a few of your recipes.

[Desiree]

Thank you so much. Well, delicious stuff. Such a fan of you guys. And it's so fun being on here. So thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thanks, Adam. Kick ass with the book, baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Good luck on the tour.

[Ronnie Karam]

Talk to you later.

[Desiree]

See ya.

[Ronnie Karam]

What a sweet.

[Ben Mandelker]

That was just lovely. Just lovely. I just kicked him out of the studio. I'm like, that was lovely. Get out.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get out.

[Ben Mandelker]

When you have to, like, remove. When you have to remove people from backstage here, the. The command without the interface is kick from studio. It's like, thanks so much for being here. Kick from studio.

[Ronnie Karam]

Vanish for life. Oh. So we got some updates on the Meredith stuff in the comments. And, you know, obviously this is more unfounded rumors, but apparent. According to rumors, Meredith called Brittany an anti Semite and a pedophile. And then I guess that was going too far. That's according to rumors that Meredith is now denying. But I hope she spelled pedophile correctly, which is P E D A F I, L E in Housewives Oil.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what, what happened to the good old days of Roni when you could just accuse Carol, Carol Radzwell of being a pedophile?

[Ronnie Karam]

I know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Now all of a sudden it's an investigation.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's history here. You're allowed to call each other pedophile on Real Housewives. Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, that's. That. That's some very lovely texture to. To that. I've been saying texture all day today. I'm like, well, they've added some texture to this. Oh, this is some interesting texture. Texture is on my mind.

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you think because we watch Top Chef, they say texture a lot on Top Chef.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think that's what it was. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Speaking of texture, it's all Gail Wares. So we're in. I'm at the Dorit Kemsley things. Dorit has filed for divorce from PKE. Now, she did this right after the 10 year mark, which, as we all know from watching the show, at the very least is when you need to get divorced to get half of everything. Right? Because remember, Erica was like, oh, she's doing it at the 10 year mark so she can get. Or he's trying to do it before the 10 year mark so he doesn't have to give you shit, honey. And apparently she waited to file until after the 10 year mark. But it's up for debate whether that even means anything because. Because they. They separated a year ago. But apparently Dorit put on her separation filing date. Separated TBA or tbd so who knows? Who knows? But apparently she was filing because PK was doing super. You know, PK's been super classy. He posts kind of nasty stuff about her, like snide little comments about her on Instagram. And now he's been seen kissing a new woman.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shanna Wall. Or maybe it's Shayna Wall. I don't know. I didn't see her season of the Amazing Race, but she. She's being cited in all these headlines as. As Amazing Race star. Like, that's her claim to fame. And everything is like, PK found making out with an Amazing Race star. Maybe I did see your season many years ago, but I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You did. But, I mean, is that. I don't know when you're on one season of Amazing Grace, like, because you're just on one season, right? I mean, is that a thing where you're considered a stunt?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sometimes you're. Sometimes you're brought back. I do feel like Amazing Race does not produce too many stars. So it's just kind of funny that, like, so and so is an Amazing Race star.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are so good at telling direction. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

The way you milked that cow in rural. Rural Yemen. I was so impressed.

[Ronnie Karam]

That U turn you made was amazing. I will say this. I just looked up this Shannon Wall, ma'am, you're in danger. Another young blonde chick that looks like Dorit. You know, it looks like a younger model, basically, which I don't know if anybody is surprised by that because that's kind of PK's M.O. when, you know, he found a younger model of Dorit and he's an older model of pk. I mean, I guess we see that sort of thing happen all the time. But yeah, there's an article that says, who is Shanawal? Five things to know about PK Kemsley's new flame. One, she four of her hold up a roof. Two, Bethany puts her up when she doesn't want to talk about stuff. Three, Mexico will build one for Trump on their own dime.

[Ben Mandelker]

Four, when she eats a burger, she becomes a franchise.

[Ronnie Karam]

Five, her cousin, while E is a lovable robot from a film.

[Ben Mandelker]

I guess I saw her season because I think that she was on around 2007 or so. So I probably saw it. She was one half of, like, a generic blonde duo and like the Amazing Race. I don't know if this is still the fact. I've kind of fallen off the Amazing Race over the past, like, eight or nine years, but for a while there, every year There were, like, two or three blonde duos that you. Whose names you never remembered, and they would just support each other. They would, like, chirp at each other and then get eliminated. Those like, I'm coming. I'm running as fast as I can. I'll be there soon. And then they're eliminated, and you never see them again for the rest of your life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh. At the bottom of this US Weekly pages, Anna Faris saying, my son pushes me out of my comfort zone. Please. Okay, so here's the real five things. She competed on the Amazing Race. As Ben has told us, she placed seventh. Okay. She was eliminated in week five, which means she was only one week from getting a full divorce settlement. Just kidding. Okay. She is a certified sommelier. Wow.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh.

[Ronnie Karam]

She dated Ryan Seacrest.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Interesting. She worked as a model. As an actress. Shocked. Shocked. She's been on Entourage, Las Vegas, Shark, Nip Tuck, and Married With Children. Wow. That resume goes back. I wonder if she knows Heather Dubrow.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know why. So I'm like, she probably does. I'm looking. And she was eliminated. So she was on Amazing Race 12, and she was eliminated in Lithuania, which. I don't know. It seems perfect to me. She. The episode. They traveled from Burkina Faso to Lithuania, and then. And then she was left in Lithuania to. To perish until she resurfaced here in the arms of pk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well. And guess what? I mean, she looks great, but guess what? She's not, like a young model. She's 50 years old. So, yeah. Wow. Respect. Respect to PK respect to that piece of. He's possibly been acting like a total. But at least I don't mean respect in general, but respect for, you know, dating around your age. I mean, how old is PK?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. About 75.

[Ronnie Karam]

Also respected. Whatever this kind of wall chick is doing is like, is she taking a lot of fish oil? I mean, she looks great. Damn, girl.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're really on a journey with her right now. Like, we are really.

[Ronnie Karam]

We're going in a little too deep with Santa wall, but, hey, why not?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No. PK is 56. Mauricio is 56, and so is Whitney. Whitney Sudler Smith, which is, you know, yikes. It's fun. Fun to think, but yeah. Yeah. This is crazy, though. But he's pk. So passive aggressive. You mentioned before the comments on Instagram, the little. The little comments. Like, do you have to really. Do you have to really litigate your entire fight on social media? It's one thing. When dorit brings it up. Oh. Because that's her job. But like you, sir, just. Just do better. You know? Like, I just. I just think it's shitty to do it on social media, on little Instagram stories, being. Being, you know, elusive. And why are you even bothering being elusive? We all know you're talking about. If you're gonna do it on social media, just outright do it and be obnoxious.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Last week or last crappy hour, we read one of his Instagram posts where he said something like, better to enter the wrong room, then what do you say? Better to open the wrong door. Thank. Spend time in the wrong room or something stupid. And then this week, when she announced her divorce on Instagram, or wherever she announced it, he posted with the song Victims by Culture Club, and he posted. No one plays the victim better than the one who caused the damage, babe.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay. Pk, listen, you're making out with. With an Amazing Race lady. I think. I think she has a right to. To. To play the victim and. And to file for divorce. Pk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yeah. You're. She's like the second wife and children that you've abandoned, sir, so.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and honestly, him making out with this girl like he's making out in front of Cipriani's in LA at the. @ the valet stand. He knows what he's doing. Given that he's in this. This crumbling state with Doritos and that's where the paparazzi are. He. You know, there was some debate. Oh, does Mauricio know what he was doing? Did the girl know at that airport in Greece? But there's no debate here. The PK absolutely does know what he's doing. He's getting in with the paps, with. With Ms. Wall.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So another dick news. Jax was caught by a photographer pulling out his wiener to scratch it this week. Did you see that?

[Ben Mandelker]

What was up with that? Yeah, I saw. I saw, like, the censored version. I don't know if there was an uncensored, but I saw the censored one.

[Ronnie Karam]

He doesn't pull out his whole thing. He just pulls down his pants. And you kind of see the. Like, the first half of it. Well, I'm assuming it's the first half. I don't know what the whole one looks like, but of course, I had to look to see if you see the whole wiener. I mean, I'm a. You know, that's called doing your research.

[Ben Mandelker]

It doesn't matter who it is. If there's a chance to see someone's wiener, we're going to take a look. It's our journalistic duty. You know, right now there's an assault on journalism and we are going to stand up for the right things, which includes looking at parts of Jax's shaft to verify that it's there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, you got to look. You got to look. Even though they call it Volcano Deck, maybe that's why I looked, because, remember, someone called it Volcano Deck. And I was like, what is. What is that? So I just kept, you know, I was like, I want to see. So they didn't show it. It was fuzzed. Whatever the volcano part is, is fuzzed out. So let's see here. Oh, by the way, my dryer was finished 10 minutes ago and it has non stop been playing a song. I fucking get it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It plays a song.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it's a joy like that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Over and over and over. And then it'll stop for a minute and then play the whole fucking symphony again. I get it. You dried some clothes. Congratulations, Shannon Wall.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, I know there are some devices that just really need to get out of control. Like they need to, like, get a grip. Like, there's definitely something that I have. I forget what it is that. But when I turn it on, it's like I'm like. You can just give me a simple, like plum. I don't need to do. Like I don't need to do. Erica Jane at singing class, someone said, okay, subtle flex.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. My dryer. I was driving my dryer over here. My fancy dryer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Someone says, Ronnie has American money. Pre tariff dryer. Pre tariffs.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

That is a pre tariff dryer. That is a dryer that came.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, Mike Bowman says. I thought Ben already got a view of little Jackson, the gym, way back. That is true. I did see it, but it was like on. It was just a dick. It was unremarkable.

[Ronnie Karam]

Mike Bowman. Good memory. You got it. You've seen Jax's wiener. Why is it called Volcano?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I've seen it. I don't remember if it was Volcano dick or not. It was also the locker room. So you can't just like sit there and stare and thank God because it was Jax before he was Jax. And now, knowing Jax, if I had stared, he probably would have beaten me up. But it was.

[Ronnie Karam]

How do you meet? How do you think he got his start? We've seen it on Vanderpump Rules. That was a gay.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's true. It was soft. It was soft. So, you know, you can only get so much of a sense. But. But it wasn't.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, come on, Ben, you should have done something. You should have done like some squats or dropped the soap or something. Make it not soft. Come on, your magic. Work your magic. Work that, Ben.

[Ben Mandelker]

Magic.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone's saying I can turn the song alarm off on the dryer. How the the f do I do that? Oh, my God. I love doing this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

I just remember that jingle that I hear, that electronic jingle. It's my pressure cooker. It's the instant pot. When you turn, put the lid on the instant pot. It's like becomes suddenly like the Pied Piper of the kitchen. And it's like non stop.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, did you hear that Bravo is allegedly planning on doing a show, Not a spin off. I don't know. Obviously it's not going to be called this, but they're going to do their own version of Wife Swap with Real Housewives.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know if I like that. I don't know if I like that, to be honest.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't like the people they're talking about putting on there because I saw. I'm not seeing it here in this art. Oh, yeah, they're showing Emily from OC Emily, I don't want to see your marriage in its current state. I certainly don't want to see it in a. In another state. Like, I don't need you or your husband talking about your marriage. And then there is Wendy. Same. Even though, like, I like Wendy's marriage and stuff. And I like Wendy. Okay, but if that sounds boring. And Melissa Gorga.

[Ben Mandelker]

Do I dislike anyone enough on Bravo that I want them to swap in and do, like, wife cosplay with Shane Simpson? I don't know. That's a cruel, cruel fate. Like, someone with these housewives is getting. Is getting a raw deal from this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I think this is kind of about the husbands. Right. Because you want to see what Shane's going to be like in another family and you want to see what Joe Gorga is going to be like in another family. And the other one they're saying is Angie Katsanevis, which would. That would be interesting to see what her husband is really like in another family because it's hard to really get a truly. It's hard to get an angle on that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't like this idea. The real reason why I don't like this idea is because I can't see it as anything other than being highly, highly, highly scripted. And I'm just. I'm not. I'm just not sure if I'M interested. I'm also just not sure that I'm interested in seeing the home lives of any of these people for an entire episode. You know, it's sort of kind of getting back to what you were saying, which is like, oh, I don't know if I want to watch Emily's home life, but I also don't know if I want to watch any of their home lives more than just like the five minutes that we get. Like, a lot of times I think that's five minutes too much. I don't like watching the kids be sassy. It's, like, amusing, but, like, it's not like that entertaining. It's not that amusing to me when the wife is saying something stupid and the husband is like, honey, you know, I. I just. It's. It's not that. That's always, without a doubt, the weakest part of any Real Housewives episode. So to build a whole show around those elements and on top of that, knowing it'll be super scripted, I'm just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Kind of like, wasn't Jill Zarin on Wife Swap a long time ago?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry, I'm just laughing at Brianna. Dr. Wendy would check the out of Shane. Oh, yeah, truly. Except the thing is that when I read that, I read that as Dr. Wendy would the shit out of Jane, and I was like, whoa, I don't think so.

[Ronnie Karam]

But yeah, Jill's Aaron was on Celebrity Wife Swap. Yeah, I thought so. 2014. Yeah. So Jill did it first. And, you know, at this announcement, she's like, andy, I did it first. Andy, you're gonna call me. You're gonna call me. You forgave me, right? Bobby would want you to call me Andy. Just saying. I did it first.

[Ben Mandelker]

You want my. Do you want my daughter, Ali Shapiro to be on Celebrity Wife Swap? She's a celebrity. She's related to me, and I'm a celebrity, so she's a celebrity. Hi.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hi, Ally.

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

What else is.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. Well, we. We can talk about Mia. There's some other news, which is that Mia Thornton is officially moving to Atlanta, which means that basically, it means in my mind that she was fired. She can say she quit, but we all know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she. She was fired.

[Ben Mandelker]

We all know she was fired.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's been making comments like, hey, ladies of Atlanta, it would be so fun to be part of your groom. Maybe I'll see you soon. Like, no, you're not.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sorry, man.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're a pathological liar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's a very long goodbye that I couldn't read. And that's the other thing about Bronwyn Newport. Like, whether it's true or not, I will never know because I can't read Bronwyn's Instagram. She writes these. She'll put up a picture of herself in a dress and then write, like, really long text. Like a wall of text that's this big. I'm like, girl, I don't have this much time. This is an Instagram story. I'm not going to sit here with my thumb in the middle of the thing to keep it still to read your damn stuff and screenshot it, make it bigger, make it shorter. Tldr. And that's kind of Mia's goodbye. It's like, I spent all this time, and I'd like to thank God. I like to think and I'd like to thank.

[Ben Mandelker]

Shut up. Honestly, the moment that the post came up, it was a picture of her posing, and then there was, like, the. The block of text in the middle. I was like, oh, she's. She's fired. I didn't have to read it. I. There's, like, a certain pose. There's a certain format of the I've been fired post, which is that you pose in the middle and then you put a block of text on top of yourself. I was like, that means you've been fired. I was like, I don't. I don't even have to read this. I know where it's going. And sure enough, she's made a decision to move to Atlanta. I'm like, good luck. See you as you have, like, dwindling returns on progressively smaller TV shows.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Oh, speaking of Potomac, Giselle was on Watch what Happens live. And she claims that she does not speak with TJ, but she is friends with TJ's friends, and she knows that there are receipts on what's her buns on Real house, size of Potomac. Dun, dun, dun. I don't believe you. Show the receipts then just. I'll show them where the receipts. Where are the receipts? I do not believe. Stop taking the side of terrible men, okay? Just because you're on Bravo doesn't mean you have to be Bravo.

[Ben Mandelker]

So do we think. You know, we. We talked about this a few weeks ago. There's rumors that Candace is coming back. She just took a picture signing at Comcast something. So is this moving the needle more towards Candace is coming back to Potomac, or do we still think this is a traitor's move by Candace traders?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't think she'll come back, but who knows? So, yeah, with the Sutton and Garcelle stuff. So Garcelle unfollowed everybody from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills like, oh, my God. And so people were like, well, she. Well, she didn't unfollow, like Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly. Right. But she unfollowed everybody else. And then people were like, well, she still must love Sutton because she's following Sutton's store still. So right after that happened, she unfollowed Sutton's store.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow, that's good. That's petty right there.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, yeah. So I'm looking at this Bravo article where Sutton says two. Two things that are misconceptions about her and Garcelle. So Sutton Strock reacts to Garcelle Beauvais unfollowing her. Sutton released a statement that said, I can only imagine that she needs a clean break right now. So I just love her, and I'm giving her the space that she needs. And I know that she's going to move through this next chapter with grace and success. So that's not really much. But she wrote Friends Forever on a caption of a post referencing I Love Lucy, Lucy and Ethel.

[Ben Mandelker]

Interesting. I think if there had been, like, a fight fight, Sutton would have been pettier. I do think there. There may be some truth about that, about that. She's just like, you know what? I'm just gonna purge the whole show. But then she's still. She's still following Kathy. Kathy's a pretty big link. So I think. I honestly think that. That Garcelle was through with them all, and she did not get the support from Sutton that she really wanted. She sat there supporting Sutton all these years, and when Push came to shove, Garcelle left, went out to backstage, and Sutton stayed on stage to do the final photo instead of checking in on her friend. Unlike the way Garcelle went to the hospital with Sudden. And I'm. I feel like Sudden Garcelle was like, what am I doing chasing around approval from these people? I mean, Sutton's nice, but no, I gotta be away from all these.

[Ronnie Karam]

Sutton screwed her over in that. In that end, so bye. Lost her. Sucker.

[Ben Mandelker]

People in the comments are saying that there's rumors that Avi left.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. How do you know that's true? Yeah, it was. Well, he. I don't know if he announced it or he just took it off of his Instagram.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, yeah, I heard that too. That they parted ways. It was official Brahmo news. I read it in the official Bravo news. So it's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. To lose Sutton and to lose Garcelle and Avi, that's pretty bad for Sutton. She's gonna be totally unhinged next season. She will actually be a total disaster, which should be pretty fun for us to watch.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. That should be good times. Something that's not fun to watch. Karen in jail. So Giselle also said that Karen is, like, running the prison, and she's doing great in prison, which is kind of what I thought. I thought Karen would go in there and just, like, be great at it. I haven't really been too worried about Karen. I think she's gonna do great in prison. She loves a captive audience. And this is literally a captive audience. Like, they're literally being held captive.

[Ben Mandelker]

She'll be telling stories.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think she'll be great. But she did try to get out. It doesn't mean that she doesn't wanna get out of there. Right. So she did try to get out on work release, and they said no. Her application for work release was approved by the corrections officials. All that remained was the generally routine approval from where the case started. But she drew the wrong judge. Somebody said it was just horrible. Horrible luck. Kind of like the tree hat on that fateful night.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, sorry, Surrey County. You were this close to getting your wi fi. Well, I've got to go out and put up some towers. The people of Surrey county need me. Tourism is about to boom.

[Ronnie Karam]

So what do you get on work release? Let me see what she likes. Specifically in a. Work at a place. Or is that just, like, where you just say you'll work if you're released?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think maybe that's. Maybe that's what it is. I don't Know how work release works?

[Ronnie Karam]

Maybe if you just, like, went to a home goods and Karen was being forced to work there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I have a situation pending at Jamba Deuce, so I think I have to get out of this jail.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ray, we need to get down a rug. Ray. I love at home goods when you need them to get down a rug. And it becomes like, this big drama on the microphones. Like, we need somebody to get a rug. We need someone to get a rug. Where is someone to get. Did you ring the bell for the rug? Because if you ring the bell, there's a rug person that comes out. I'm like, I rang the bell. No, rug person came out. We need the rug move. And then he comes out. He's like, hold on. Do not touch the rug. This is a very difficult rug to move. All right? Like, have a very specific way. And then it's like.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. One of the most chaotic things I think I ever did was ask a home depot person to help with something that the equivalent of the rug, which is, can you help me get this box out from under the shelf? And it took, like, seven people, and they had to dismantle the shelf, and it took 15 minutes. And at that point, everyone was committed. So I was like, I guess I have to really see this one through. I sat there, there as they had a whole team of people, and they were pulling out everything that was hanging, and they literally had to tear apart the shelf just to get a box out. And it was covered with dust. And they're like, here's what. Here's what it is. I was like, I have to buy this. At this point, I don't even want this, but I have to buy it because this was too much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. So sweet D is saying you put your job down, saying you're hired at a certain place, and if they approve the place, they let you go to work and then go back to jail for the weekend. So maybe this was for, like, real housewives shooting. I don't know. Or candle wick. Wicked. And I don't know, but people are trying to come up with places that would be torture for her to work. Like, Home depot is one, I think, like a bar, you know, like. But that would be torture if you're. If you have to go work in a bar with, like, a monitoring thing.

[Ben Mandelker]

What if. What if. What if she's, like, in charge of marketing for gna? Well, I have a thankless job, but someone has to do it. I'm gonna try to sell this concept, whatever it is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Gna well, if this is the case, then that's a shitty judge, and we should all be upset at the justice system in this country. That's someone who doesn't watch housewives to watch Karen get driven by the prison to work every day and then get driven back. It's like, I fought with these bitches, and they're like, okay, give us back the wig, ma'am. It's like, you have to take off the wig, get back in the cuffs, get back in the car. Oh, that would be good.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she'll. She'll want. Like, that would be great, because, you know, she's not gonna have a glam squad in jail, so she'll be looking like season one Karen Huger, which will be. That'll be perfect. Just here in that wig.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you have, like, jail glam, like, sharpie eyebrows and stuff like that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Gel glam. Can we talk about Julia and Adriana? Because Miami is coming back soon. It's on the horizon. We've. I. We feel like a trailer is coming around. Around the corner, and there was some. One of the headlines that came out over the. Since our last crappy hour is that Julia talked about the sad and disturbing French breakup between her and Adriana. What's done is done. And she says, for years, people have been telling me not to trust certain people. Instead, I should always trust God. But I didn't. And I think I want to fight that, to fight what they were telling me. But now I finally am opening my eyes and seeing maybe they were right all along. So this was.

[Ronnie Karam]

Who are you gonna trust instead? Marisol and Alexia? Good move, Julia, you dumbass. Listen, you had. You need to keep the craziest one on your side. She got you on the show. You need to be sticking with Adriana. I don't care what she did. She's the kind of crazy you need on your side.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they. They have a fault. They're having a falling out. Julia was talking about this while discussing her current role in Florida Grand Opera's Carmen. So note to note to anyone down there in Miami, if you're interested in seeing some opera, maybe avoid that one.

[Ronnie Karam]

Run.

[Ben Mandelker]

Run like hell. Love her. Not a great opera singer. So she.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, it's funny, because another competing headline currently rolling in their grave. Carmen. Interesting.

[Ben Mandelker]

Carmen. Carmen's like, thank you for killing me. Thank you for killing me at the end of that musical, because that opera's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, the first time my death hasn't been a tragedy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Is that Les Mis?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, it's Carmen. It's Carmen. Singing about herself.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought that was a real letter then.

[Ronnie Karam]

All right.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's just. Wow. But it was so. That's. That was. That sounded so lyrical. I was like, for sure. That's from a real musical.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was like, oh, it is from a real musical. Queen. Okay. Carrie says Julia married a transphobes. You can't trust her taste and judgment. Just saying. Not a terrible point.

[Ben Mandelker]

Snappy, snappy, snap, terrible. And then apparently there was. I mean, we talked about this. That there was video footage of. Of Julia and Adriana fighting. And in one of the clips, Adriana's like, I see you for who you are. And now I'm going to treat you how you treat me. Which is such an Adriana. That is such an Adriana. Dess.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, all you want. Now you will find out. I will treat you like you treat me. Good luck, bitch. Yeah, so good luck. That's not going to end well. Amanda says about the singing. She says she's down there recording the new ending sound for the dishwasher.

[Ben Mandelker]

Sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

The dryer.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hot, hot, hot, hot. What? Hello, this is Adrian De Mora. What cycle would you like to put on for your dryer? Hot. Perfect. Laundry is hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so let's see. In other news, speaking of Garcell, Erica is complaining because she's gotten in too much trouble for just being bold at the reunion against Garcelle. This is from reality blurb. Erika Jayne is throwing shade after Garcelle Bouvet and follows her. And she said, oh, God. It made itself big on me. Because the rumor, by the way, is that Erica has been demoted. Do you think that this is true?

[Ben Mandelker]

No, no. They're gonna keep Erica because if they were going to demote Erica, they would have demoted her years ago. Let's be honest.

[Ronnie Karam]

You think? Well, she's. Teddy asked Erica on her podcast. Teddy, by the way, is doing a lot better. So that's actually some good news.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Did I. Did I read that her tumors have. Have shrunken dramatically?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, that's what she said this week. So Teddy asked Erica. Hi, I'm Teddi. Oh, I have one other thing I need to ask you. Were you heartbroken when Garcelle unfollowed you and Erica responded devastated? I'm about as heartbroken as she was when I followed her back.

[Ben Mandelker]

So, Erica. Well, in the comments here, someone says it's because Erica was being a real bee on Watch what Happens Live. So maybe is that it? That she's being like a. Not a good partner when she's being called upon to. To provide content like on. On that show, etc.

[Ronnie Karam]

What for?

[Ben Mandelker]

Why she might be demoted.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, God. Probably because she doesn't have anything going on but wallpaper. I mean, that was kind of the running thing this year is like, oh, really, Eric? All you talked about was wallpaper. So maybe that's why. I don't know. They do need to freshen up that show a bit. So, earlier this week, an anonymous source claimed that Bravo demoted Erica, who recently expressed her wish that Garcelle was more interesting. According to the report, Erica was offered a friend overall. Let's talk about toxic femininity, said Erica on the same episode of her podcast. Then Teddy asked, do we know any of those? And she said, where do I begin? And then Teddy asked Erica if. If she thinks that women or men get punished for being too bold. Oh, God, Erica, it's not being bold. It's being an asshole. Okay?

[Ben Mandelker]

Toxic femininity, like being an asshole and not interesting all at the same time. It's a bad combo. Very, very bad combo. We still don't. We still don't know who's in your life.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. What else do we have? Oh, gosh, we need to get over to talking to people. Oh, go. Go ahead. Talk to what you want to.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was gonna say, we can't tease.

[Ronnie Karam]

A Katie article and then not deliver. This is Katie Maloney. When need to hear it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Katie went on Schwarz's brand new podcast, Detox Redox.

[Ronnie Karam]

Little boy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm a little boy. And she. She had disparaging words to say about the new. The new Vanderpump Rules cast. She was like, I don't know them, but it just feels cheap to me. It feels cheap, and I don't like cheap. Oh, so like the original Vanderpump Rules cast.

[Ronnie Karam]

You married Tom on Wednesday.

[Ben Mandelker]

Swarovski. Crystal Swarovski. Swarovski.

[Ronnie Karam]

You were paid $5 for like three years. We all know it. When Tom's. When Tom wasn't paying his manager or whatever that was. Remember we found out they got like 10,000 for a season for like two, two or three years. Like, of course it's cheap. That's why they hired workers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. You know when the show starts, like tank was when you guys actually started to have money. We need the Vanderpump Rules cast to be cheap, and we need them to be craven, and that's what we need. And if Katie doesn't think that they're cool enough for her, well, then maybe she should go over to Michael's and find some twigs and put them in a vase and stare at them because that's apparently what she wants to watch instead.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Katie, Vanderpump rules was always cheap. I'm sorry. And you married Tom on a Wednesday. So sorry. That's just how it is.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is. Well, actually, by the way, I just want to say real quickly that Hillary in the comments said Tom Sandoval said that the new cast is like, hey dude, does anyone remember Saved by the Bell? The news, the new class? I think the, the degree of like bitterness that these, these people have about the new, the newbies makes me be actively on the new kids side even more so I'm gonna be fully in support of the new Vanderpump Rules cast.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, of course, of course we are. All right everybody, thanks so much. Going to move to the audience participation section. So if you want to join us on screen and talk to us, stay here over on YouTube and anybody else, we will talk to you in a couple of weeks. Be here at 5:30 Pacific Time and we love you guys. Thanks for being here. We'll talk to you next time.

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