#2823 The Valley S2E03: Rage and Busters

Summary

Podcast Summary: Watch What Crappens - Episode #2823: The Valley S2E03: Rage and Busters

Release Date: April 30, 2025

Introduction

In Episode #2823 of "Watch What Crappens," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam delve deep into the latest developments of Bravo’s reality series "The Valley," specifically Season 2, Episode 3 titled "Rage and Busters." The episode is a blend of insightful commentary, sharp critiques, and humorous banter as the hosts navigate the tumultuous events unfolding in the show.

Live Show Announcements

Before diving into the episode recap, Ben and Ronnie share exciting news about their upcoming live shows. Ben announces their first live event in Los Angeles at the Fonda Theater on June 19th, with tickets going on sale that Friday. Ronnie adds that they will be touring Austin and Dallas in the following weeks, where they plan to recap episodes of "Summer House" and a classic "Vanderpump Rules" episode ("Sex, Lies and Audio Tape" – Season 6, Episode 5).

Recap of "The Valley" Episode

The core of the episode focuses on the dark and dramatic developments in "The Valley." Ben and Ronnie express their concerns and criticisms regarding the show's trajectory.

• Jax’s Rehab Struggles:
  Both hosts are unimpressed with Jax's repeated attempts to seek help for his issues. Ronnie states at [05:28], “I do not feel sorry for Jax,” reflecting their frustration with his lack of genuine commitment to rehabilitation.

• Family Dynamics and Chaos:
  The hosts discuss the chaotic household dynamics, highlighting scenes like the "stroller parking lot" in the hallway, which they humorously suggest could be managed with a shopping cart ([07:05] Ben). They mock the excessive number of strollers, indicating that the family is overwhelmed.

• Danny’s Home Purchase:
  Ben and Ronnie critique Danny’s decision to buy a home in Santa Clarita, suggesting that it’s an attempt to manage the overwhelming chaos. Ronnie mentions, “[07:43] ...they deserve a McMansion up in Santa Clarita to tuck it all away.”

• Interpersonal Conflicts:
  The hosts delve into the strained relationships among the cast members, particularly focusing on the toxic interactions between Jax and his wife Brittany. Ronnie laments Jax’s abusive behavior, saying at [06:12], “...once you throw a coffee table at your wife with your kid in the house...you’re dead to me.”

• Group Chat Drama:
  A significant portion of the episode centers around the havoc wreaked by a sprawling group chat among the male cast members. Ben points out at [44:55], “Danny's just trying to deflect this onto Danny,” highlighting the unintended consequences of their communication mishaps.

• Michelle’s Plight:
  Michelle faces public accusations of infidelity, leading to emotional breakdowns. Ronnie empathizes at [60:16], “I believe her. And she's saying that he spent all their money and he doesn't pay any child support...”

• Dave and Buster’s Party:
  The crescendo of the episode features a disastrous birthday party at Dave and Buster’s. Hosts mock the superficiality and petty conflicts that ensue, with Michelle desperately trying to rally votes to exclude her husband Jesse from the trip ([55:52] Ronnie).

Notable Quotes

Throughout the episode, Ben and Ronnie pepper their discussion with memorable quotes that encapsulate their disdain and amusement at the show's antics:

• Ben Mandelker [05:28]:
  “Jax is going to rehab, and then we go over to Brit's house... it's everywhere and they've got strollers lined up in that hallway.”

• Ronnie Karam [06:12]:
  “Once you throw a coffee table at your wife with your kid in the house... you’re dead to me.”

• Ben Mandelker [07:05]:
  “Just get a shopping cart and just put all four in there. One size fits all.”

• Ronnie Karam [16:43]:
  “It's free croissants. Anybody from the Valley, including me, will cross the hill for something free.”

• Ben Mandelker [18:35]:
  “Pink lipstick changes everything.”

• Ronnie Karam [29:20]:
  “Cheat on Jesse. Because that man never slept with her, never gave her any attention.”

• Ben Mandelker [40:17]:
  “I'm just trying to smoke out the mole.”

• Ronnie Karam [55:18]:
  “It's too late, Daniel. It was sad. Now you gotta own it, Daniel.”

Hosts' Commentary and Insights

Ben and Ronnie provide a balanced mix of critique and humor, often expressing their frustration with the show's lack of genuine character development and the repetitive nature of the conflicts. They highlight the absurdity of the situations, such as the overly dramatic reactions to minor issues and the ineffective attempts at resolution.

• On Group Chats:
  Ben critiques the size and functionality of the group chat, joking about the chaos it creates: “[41:31] It’s a disaster. How do you have 25 people in your group chat? That's wrong.”

• On Character Behavior:
  Ronnie frequently points out the characters' flaws with sharp wit: “[65:22] You did door to door. You've treated half this cast like...you don’t get the votes.”

• On Show’s Dark Themes:
  Both hosts acknowledge the show's shift towards more serious and dark themes, making it "pleasing to watch" but also "harsh reality": “[72:08] It’s rough but it’s grown-ups doing childish stuff.”

Conclusion

In wrapping up the episode, Ben and Ronnie reaffirm their upcoming live shows and tease future recaps. They reiterate their commitment to providing honest and entertaining commentary on Bravo's reality TV landscape, promising more in-depth analyses and humorous takes in upcoming episodes.

Final Thoughts

"Watch What Crappens" Episode #2823 offers listeners a thorough and entertaining breakdown of "The Valley" S2E03: "Rage and Busters." With a blend of humor, critical analysis, and memorable quips, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam deliver a captivating summary that not only highlights the episode's key events but also provides insightful commentary for both fans and newcomers alike.

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Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch what happens. Watch what Crap is who cares what happens happens when there's so much that. Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap ins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the hilarious and wonderful Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how are you?

[Ronnie Karam]

Good. What's going on over there?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it is Wednesday. What's going on over here is that I'm very excited because we can finally announce the first of our two new live shows. It is with great joy that we announced that on June 19th we are going to be doing a show right here in Los Angeles at the Fonda Theater and it's going to be amazing. Tickets are going to go on sale this Friday. There's some AMEX presales and things like that, so check that out. But tickets are on sale Friday at 10am Pacific. We are so, so excited to be doing an LA local show, especially at the Fonda. It'll be really cool. So check that out. @watchwithcrappins.com we have our second show that we are adding but we can't announce that until Friday. So on Friday we're gonna announce and I believe the tickets will be going on sale on Friday as well. So get ready in whatever city you're in. But also next week we're going to Austin and we're going to Dallas. Our tour is continuing on and we also have announcements about what shows we are going to cover. Ronnie, will you tell everyone what we are going to recap at those shows?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, in Austin we will be doing summerhousing and that's just the next episode, the next new episode. And then in Dallas on Saturday, we're going to do a classic Vanderpump Rules episode, season six, Episode five, Sex, Lies and Audio tape. Rotten Hail. Rotten hail Jacks. So Rotten Hail. So that's what we're covering next week.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, so that'll be great. And then of course there's also Vegas the week after. So watchwithcraftpins.com for all your all your ticketing needs. And also join us on [e-mail] watchforcrappins to watch us with Crappins on Demand and also to listen to our bonus episodes, various trailer trashes, White Lotus Traders, things like that. So join us there. And now for today. Hey. Wow. We have an episode of the Valley. Such a dark season so far. But, like, riveting. What did you think, Ronnie?

[Ronnie Karam]

Dark. Bleak. Bleak show. Bleak, very bleak show. But still messy. You know, there's still some. Some mess, some fun mess happening. But I could do without the violins playing while Jax drives to rehab and I have to feel sorry for Jax. I do not feel sorry for Jax. Just get him off the show. I don't. I don't want to see him driving. Sadly, I feel nothing. So stop trying. Okay? The violins. Get your little Trixie monocle violins out my ear. Show I'm not happy.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, we have no sympathy for Jax whatsoever. And I don't think he's going to do any of the hard work that he needs to do in rehab. And we already know he only stays for like two weeks or some. Not even, not even two weeks, right? Less than.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't even know at this point. I think he went twice. The first time. Maybe he stayed the second time. He didn't stay the. I mean, I don't even know and I don't really care. I mean, once you throw a coffee table at your wife with your kid in the house and bruise her and then punch holes and walls while your kids in the house and throw bar stools while your kids in the house, you're dead to me. And that's all I need to know. I don't care anything about that man anymore. Okay. Okay, so let's start up with Jax. Jax is going to rehab, and then we go over to Brit's house. Cruz is swimming and Danny and Nia's. There's just everywhere and they've. We see in the hallway where they've got strollers lined. They've got what, four strollers lined up in that hallway. It's like a. A stroller parking lot in that hallway. Don't. Can't you just get like a four person stroller or like two. Two in the front, two in the back kind of thing? How do you walk all those strollers at this point?

[Ben Mandelker]

Just get a shopping. A shopping cart and just. Just put some cushions in there and just put all four in the. In the shopping cart and just push it around. One size fits all, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And whenever they try to leave the Valley, it can have one of those things that grocery store carts have where it just stops them and won't let that like trap them in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just a perimeter around the entire San Fernando Valley. Sorry, children, can't go farther than this.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's. Can't. Yeah, you're Stuck. Although. Did you read? I was going to bring it up in Crappy Hour this week, but we didn't get to it. Nan. Danny found a home and bought a home in Santa Clarita. So what's happening, everybody?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, we've been pretty vocal about, like, why should they have to move all the way up to Santa Clarita just because Danny says so? But honestly, after seeing this episode, that. That apartment's just too small for them. They. They do have everywhere. And I don't even think that they're messy people. I feel like they just are overwhelmed. I'm like, you know what? Okay. You guys deserve a McMansion. Get a McMansion up in the. Up in Santa Clarita to tuck all your away, because it's actually getting hard to watch this, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it's a lot of strollers.

[Ben Mandelker]

We start off a lot. It's a lot. You need. They need, like, a stroller garage at this point, you know, Especially because we know another one's going to come on the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Danny's like, well, Jax is trying to seek help finally, honey. And she's like. He goes, yeah, I was in shock. I. I mean, I said, you know, dude, I'm happy for you, but you need to do it. Do this for yourself, for yourself and for Cruise. And. Which is totally why he's doing it. And not because he's being forced by production or getting fired from the show after an abusive episode. It's just Jack Switch being a good person and deciding to get help on his own.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And to which Jax replied, who's Cruz? So then we go over to Zach and Kristen and Luke and Jasmine and Melissa, and they're at a bar together, and they're all. They've all found out the news. You know, Luke is announcing that Jax is in rehab, and Zach is like. He's like, whoa, whoa. I'm like, I'm actually not. I wasn't personally that shocked when he checked into rehab, because we just. You just know. It's like the checklist on a troubled celebrity's path. Right. So you're like, inevitably, it was gonna happen, but I guess they just weren't expecting it to happen during filming. So they're all shocked, and they can't believe it's happening. And then we see Jason coming to Brittany's house. He's just.

[Ronnie Karam]

I love when Jack says. He's like, I'm honestly shocked. I'm honestly so shocked. And his eyebrows are doing the, like, sideways triangle thing that they do. I'M like, yeah, but that's what you look like when you run out of nespresso pods, so how am I supposed to read you?

[Ben Mandelker]

That's true. He's shocked about everything. He's like crazy asleep or shocked. So Jason has now shows up at Brittany's house. He's just dropped off Jackson rehab and she's asking how it went and everything. And he's like, well, yeah, you know, I helped him, checked in and stuff like that. So, you know, we'll see how, how it goes. Like, okay, tell me everything, Cruz. Come on close because I want to hear how your daddy went into rehab.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, and come close. Let's talk about daddy. Everything bad the daddy's done. Come here close to mama. And he's like, well, you know, he's having a hard time. Like he just keep thinking every time it's something that he did to you, he's saying, but what about what she did to me? And then we cut to Jax in the car, like, I mean, what about what she did to me? Like, it's not like she did the same thing I do. Why does she get in trouble? Why does she get in trouble for anything?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is his ongoing issue and his beef, like for years and years. And Jason is like, well, as concerned as I am for Jax. I mean, look, I have a kid now and if my actions led me to not be able to see my kid, you know, I know that there's like a real, real issue. I'm like, well, you might know because seem like you have something of a brain in your head, but Jax doesn't know. When you're a narcissist like Jax, it just does not even ping on your radar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so then, let's see. So he's like, yeah, you know, I told him everyone in the world could benefit from a 30 day cool off period. You know, like, what's, what's wrong with that? It's like a 30 day break, you know, you've got no responsibility but yourself. He's already got no responsibility but himself. He doesn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Isn't he like not paying for anything for the kid or giving her child support and all of that? I mean, come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he has no responsibility. And so Brittany's like, now he's 45 and he has a three year old son. Like, even Jax, Taylor has to grow up at some point. Not really. If he hasn't done it by now, I don't know if it's going to be happening anytime soon. The ship may have been have Sold. Have sailed and been sold. It was sailed and then was sold for him growing up.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we live in la. You don't have to ever grow up. Look around the streets of LA and you will see it everywhere. Just old, scraggly, overly tan dudes with their hair plugs showing, you know, just kind of scratching their balls as they walk down the street drunkenly, you know, 50 years younger than them. Like, you don't have to change.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

What'd you say?

[Ben Mandelker]

I said, but enough about my afternoon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right, so now we go. Now we're trying to do the Ariana Scandival thing wherever the. All the girls came over to her house and it was like a big girl pow wow. But it's this show, so it's kind of like a low rent version of that. And also it's Jax. So, like, the thing with Scandal is no one really saw that one coming. Shockingly, no one really saw that coming. But this one, everyone's like, oh, hey, you know, Janet's like, well, I was in the middle of making a casserole, but I did bring a piece if anybody wants some.

[Ben Mandelker]

So are you okay? Britney's like, no, but I'll be okay. And then, you know, Janet's saying like, well, I'm really glad you did that today. You know, I'm really good that this happened. It's like, yeah, thank you so much. I just hope that he really likes seriously, because I'm scared he's just gonna charm everyone and I'll be like, not tell the truth. And that's 100 what he's gonna do. He's gonna get in there. He is gonna be. He's gonna put on the Jack's charm. He'll be like, I know, I know I mess everything up. But like, you know, it's like people do things to me and he's gonna. He's just gonna. He's not going to take any lessons from it.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jason's like, yeah, I'm just so proud of him. I said, when you're in there, you're a good dad, but when you're not doing it, you're a terrible dad. Well, I didn't say that. I just thought of that part right now. Okay, well, there's too many ladies here. I need to go. Bye. So he leaves and Janet walks him to the door and she's like, wow, I'm just so proud of you for doing this, Jason. You're a good person. He wouldn't have gone without you. He wouldn't have gone without you. You're a good person, Jason.

[Ben Mandelker]

Also, who's looking after our baby? I think it's the instant pot. Is the babysitter today? Okay, Great.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She's like, call me if anything happens with the baby. The baby's over there, like, learning QuickBooks. What's the baby doing?

[Ben Mandelker]

The baby's already more emotionally advanced than Jax.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like, wait a minute. We just got on the San Fernando Reddit right now, and there's. I'm a baby. Please help me. They keep trying to feed me something called casserole. Oh, God, the bay. The police have been called to our house. Please just go get the baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

Get the baby. Wow. Well, I was a little shocked. I was not expecting that. Like, he needs to. You know, I never. I just. I never thought that Jax would go to rehab. And they're like, yeah, and they all want to, like, talk about Jack so badly, but Cruz is right there. So they're all just kind of, like, staring at Cruz, like. And Brittany's like, okay, well, you know, I just want to wait for Cruzy to. Oh, he wants to be with his mama. And they're all like, but she knows. We. We drove up here. We drove up here. We need to touch it. So can you put your child in another room?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't drive up here to shoot a scene with your son. And since when are you now gonna decide not to talk about this shit in front of your son? Why does it have to be when we're here? But she knows how to get rid of that kid. She goes, come here, cr. And just starts kissing him all over, and he's like, okay, bye. And he runs off like, jesus Christ, I didn't know I was going to a fucking walk in car wash. Hey.

[Ben Mandelker]

I felt like this little moment was actually such a relatable scene because how many times have you gone over to, like, a friend's house who has children, and, like, you're just about to gossip and talk shit, and then the kid walks in, and then you have to smile and nod for, like, a really long time, and you're like, please, child, go to another room. I have so much tea to spill.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they're just staring at the kid. Like, she goes, I. Nick, you're like, oh, for Christ's sake, we've all got one. Okay, send them away. So, yeah, Brittany's like, I'm just afraid he's gonna go charm everybody, you know? And depending on how long he stays, it's depending on his future. Like, if he doesn't I mean, where am I supposed to do if he doesn't stay there, what am I supposed to do? I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, like, filing restraining order in custody. That's what I'm gonna do. And Michelle's like, if I were you, I would vial tomorrow. And do not look back. That is what I would do.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then we go over to Jesse's house and he's putting some croissants on a dish on his little kitchen island there. And he's making tea. And it turns out that Kristen and Luke have arrived and they're going to have a little. A little breakfast. And Jesse says he's going to set up a fancy tea and coffee because they're very fancy. So then this, like music plays Regal British orchestral THEME according to the subtitles and Kristen's like, I'm having a tea party with Jesse. Oh, and Isabelle's not here. Seriously, this is fucking growth.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's free croissants. You know, anybody, anybody from the Valley, including me, will cross the hill for something free. Okay? We're cheap in the Valley. I'll get my ass over there now. I will bring in a bag from Ralph's and put them all in there because you know, Jesse's not eating that shit. Okay, I'm taking it. You have no need for this. Okay? Now just tell me what you need to do to Michelle, because that's the only reason you brought my ass over here in the first place. Just use me as the weapon you need me to be. Sir. What do you want?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and Chris. Chris even says, you know, if Michelle were doing what Jesse's been doing, maybe we could become buddies again. But Michelle has made it very clear she doesn't want anything to do with me. So I feel the same way, Kirka. I'm like. I like that. Kristen is like. She's just, like, on the market to be swayed. She's like, do you have croissants? Because I'll come to you. I'll join your side. Jesse's doing it. Jesse gave me some croissants. What about you? Morning buns. Come on, you got to play the game.

[Ronnie Karam]

All it would really take for Jesse to, like, get me is a carb. But she can't even do that, Coco. So they're talking about the white party, and Jesse's like, yeah, I just. He's got such dead eyes. I just feel like he's going to kill somebody. He just has these eyes that are like, yeah, I just don't know what's going on with Michelle. She's most likely with her boyfriend for the last two years. Oh, for Christ's sake. So what if she cheated on you? You were, you were not paying attention enough to even catch her. Okay, it's over. The game's over. You don't get to go replay Monopoly. Your money's gone. Okay, sir.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah. He really is so dead behind the eyes. Which is what's funny about his interviews because I feel like he's got like a hot pink lip in his interviews. Like they, they gave him like a little something so that way he wouldn't be just like a wall of white, you know, on camera. But they gave him like a little bit too hot of a pink lip. So he has like these dead eyes but a hot pink lip. And I just think it's like a very funny image.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, the hot pink lip. It's like half of my personality. Like on Below Deck.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, he's obviously friends with Laura.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, we're using that this week on Bravo to bring life to lifeless people. Pink lipstick.

[Ben Mandelker]

Pink lipstick changes everything.

[Ronnie Karam]

The Bravo trend of the week. So yeah, he's like, you know, nothing about Aaron and Michelle. Michelle adds up. Cuz there was a situation that happened with them while I was married and Kristen's like, just to be clear, the guy was talking about Michelle seeing last summer that is not Aaron D. I just were worried they weren't going to make that sound effect. So I made it myself.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I mean, you know, if someone, if Michelle wants to do the sound effect for me, I mean, then we could talk. But apparently until she does, until she steps up to the plate, it'll be all me. So Jesse is like, yeah, nothing adds up. And so he has this whole conspiracy theory and he's like, well, she swears up and down that Aaron had said that he would never date a married woman or never date a woman with a kid. There's just too many things, you know, like his honey company that's been in my cabinet for two years. So now we see a cut to this honey company called Kilo, which I don't understand why it's called that because that's what I associate with like coke, you know. And he's. And it's, it's his.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Yes, Ben Parting. Ben. I finally turned Ben. You guys. Ben's partying now. Ben's like, just kidding.

[Ben Mandelker]

I associate it with weights in Britain. No, no, but seriously, it's like think of like coke. And then it's like he has this. Which by the way this guy Aaron, kind of. He looks to me like he might be a suspect on that. On that front a little bit. Those eyes are buggin. Okay. And so he. We see him and Michelle, like, standing at, like, a little booth. They're probably one of these, like, natural food fairs or, like, in the lobby of a Sprouts, like, handing out, like, handing out honey samples to Sheena, Nia, and Michelle. And they're all like, huh, yeah, it's really nice.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, so, Neil, what do you. What do you think of the. What do you think of the honey? What do you think of it? And she's like, hold on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whoa.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow. Yeah. Delicious. It's honey. Okay, what did you do special to the. It's honey. Okay, so let's look at people with their. Their little honey tasting like it's honey. It tastes like honey. Just give me some. What's a dollar? Give me one that's not $30. Why is Honey $30?

[Ben Mandelker]

Well. Well, his honey is especially expensive because it's laced with cocaine. That's why it's called Kilo. I don't know. It's LA honey.

[Ronnie Karam]

Unfortunately, people are suffocating because they're trying.

[Ben Mandelker]

To, like, snort it, or the bees are addicted to coke. But these are all, like, aspiring actors, models, waiters.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so we see. So people saying, like, oh, Jesse's not getting anything by being on this show. Yes, he is. We see his little thing that he thought was going to get on TV is his own little product, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, you mean Aaron. Yeah. Who was. I think you said Jesse.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, Jesse. No, Aaron. So we, yeah, he got, he got a free Kilo Honey promo out of it, which was too sad to make into a real scene. So it was just used as a black and white flashback.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was truly sad. It was like seeing them standing there, like, and you see Michelle, Michelle trying to convince herself that she's actually enjoying handing out honey samples when she normally is used to, like, the high powered world of, you know, real estate and Rob Reiner. And instead she's standing holding out little honey sticks and she's like, this is fun. I am happy with my choice.

[Ronnie Karam]

He goes, yeah, well, you know, here's the thing about Michelle. She started going to Runyon Canyon. She was going in the mornings, dun, dun, dun. And then we see, we see her, like, coming back in a really good mood, like, hello, honey, I went on a hike and I brought you baggage smoothie. Isn't that sweet of me? And Kristen's making a suspicious face. And she says, in LA in the summer, the top that's like the top of Skinny Mountain, you're not wearing a drop of makeup. Okay, but when we saw the clip, she wasn't wearing makeup. I mean, they're making it sound like she was like, getting all hoochied up and climbing to the top of the mountain to bang somebody. But she came back looking like she had hiked running canyon. Now, her expression said, I just totally got laid. So I will say that.

[Ben Mandelker]

And I had makeup on in the beginning of that process. But yeah, no, first of all, to, to be fair, I have seen many people with full faces of makeup at Runyon Canyon.

[Ronnie Karam]

Me too.

[Ben Mandelker]

95 degree weather.

[Ronnie Karam]

And again, I hate to say it, but this is la. Of course there's people in makeup on there. They can walk up there with, like, 10 pounds of rubber injected into their face. They wear makeup. No one cares about the heat. It's worth it for the beauty. They'll do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Jesse's like. And then I'd be like, why aren't you wearing your wedding ring? And she was like, well, you know, the diamond. I don't feel super safe walking the streets. And I'm like, well, what about your wedding band? And then I. When I go on to his Instagram on New Year's Day, I click on his profile and I click on that Honey company, and I'm like, the motherfucking Honey. I remember going to Whole Foods, and I say, hey, I can't find the honey. And she goes, well, I get it at a place near Runyon, and guess where his house is. You got it. Runyon. Runyon usa. The Honey. Runyon conspiracy is hilarious to me. It actually sounds like it may have some merit. I don't care. I'm just gonna let her have it because it's. It's. It's too funny to. To. To be mad at.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, where. Where would she get it near Runyon anyway? Like Disco Ralph's?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she's definitely not getting it from that Ralph's, that's for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's near Runyon? At first I was thinking of Beechwood, but that's not what they said. I was like, well, maybe it's the Beechwood Country Store, but if they're in Runyon, I'm trying to think of, like, what special. Unless it's one of those little Franklin places. No little places on Franklin.

[Ben Mandelker]

Mm. Mm. There's. There's no. There are no specialty food stores around there. There's no health food stores. There's no. There's no erewhon near there. It would have to come from Rock and Roll Ralph's. And I guarantee Rock and Roll Ralph's wouldn't even have it. So, yeah, I mean, it's. It's clearly. She's clearly getting well. But here's the thing. To be fair to this guy, whatever his face is, Aaron, I can definitely see him being a guy who's really annoying and sets up a little table at the base of Run. And, like, who wants to buy my honey? Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

He probably is one of those people, like, donate a dollar, take a honey. And this is a donation jar.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. So he could just have a little table there.

[Ronnie Karam]

But so I don't see it anywhere. I don't see Kilo Honeywear. I put where to buy Kilo Honey in Los Angeles and it's not showing. Okay, well, Kilo Company Honey is here, so. Okay, go ahead and keep. It's $25.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow. Their partners. Oakberry Si Acai. Yeah, it they. Where he doesn't. This is actually kind of hilarious that he doesn't actually list. Oh, there's Michelle doesn't list where you can get it. If you click on the recipes tab of Kilo Honey, there's a creepy ass picture of Michelle holding up a vanilla honey latte with what's supposed to be a heart. It looks just kind of like, just like a triangle. And she's like, here is my vanilla honey latte. I know how to make a latte.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hold on, let me make a latte for you. First you put in the espresso and then you put in the honey and then you get milk in a zebra thing and you do this. So yeah, he's, he's, he's sure that she had a, an affair with this guy and she got some honey out of it and then was kind of bragging about it by saying, I got it somewhere next to Runyon. Who's a penis next to Runyon Canyon now? Just have to go on record, I read a lot of Internet hate towards Michelle. I think Michelle can be an too. So I'm not like gonna go crazy standing up for Michelle. But Jesse is so clearly gross that I would say cheating is never right. But if you're going to do it, cheat on Jesse. Because that man never slept with her, never gave her any attention. He was a horrible fucking husband, admittedly. So go get your honey on Runyon, girl. Like, if I was friends with that girl, I would say cheat on his ass. Cheat.

[Ben Mandelker]

Listen, that's what, that's what I say, you know, like, she has about as much personality as like a tongue depressor. But like, the truth is that he is awful. He is awful. And so I just, it's one of those moments where, you know, you know, you see some movies and you see someone cheat on someone and you're like, what? Awful. Awful. How terrible? But then you see some, some movies where they cheat on someone and you're like, good for you. Do it. Live your life. You're doing it. And I kind of just feel the latter for her. I'm, I don't endorse cheating, but I endorse, I endorse making Jesse feel like shit. So I Think I'm, I'm really with you on this one.

[Ronnie Karam]

And also he's just at this point trying to get ammo for something that's already over. Like, it's over. You know, you can't, you can't go replay it. So anyway, he's like, you know, I'm just trying to stay calm and stay grounded and show personal growth. And Kristen's like, yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. Personal growth. Dong. Yep. Ding dong, ding long. Ding, ding dong, dong. And so Luke's like, yeah, nice. So Jesse has decided to plan a Santa Barbara getaway for the gang. And he found a reserved house and he rented it. So Luke's like, yeah, cool. I'm being invited somewhere by an Alpha.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And Jesse basically is inviting Michelle and Aaron because he has to, and he can torture them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like he's not going to torture them. Like, he's like, I'm gonna try to public, publicly humiliate Michelle and her, her new bug eyed boyfriend. So everybody come.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, precisely. And so he's like, yeah, so I'm gonna invite, like chat. I'm, you know, I think they're, they're may. I'm gonna invite her. So then Chris is like, well, if you need any help in planning, I'm very great at planning trips. I'm like, is. Is that your thing? I thought you're like a terror on trips and everyone tries to avoid you on vacation. That's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I don't think we've had any video evidence of Kristen being great at planning trips. But whatever you say, I'll go with you. I know, it's. I know she's probably just high from getting the free croissant, you know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. She's just, she's saying crazy things, though. The butter's gone to her brain.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we get the ringtone and the sound of a casserole, which is crazy. I didn't even know they had those. It just sounds like this. A casserole being slapped onto a plate.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Eggy.

[Ronnie Karam]

And it's, it's Janet. So Kristen's making a look like, oh my God, oh my God, what do I do?

[Ben Mandelker]

What do I do?

[Ronnie Karam]

But they're like, answer it. Like, what the else would you do? So she answers it and Janet's like, kristen, it's Janet. I'm doing my birthday party this week at Dave and Buster's, so that should be fun. And you know, I would obviously love for you to be there as long as you don't say anything about me. You know, losing if I'm playing a game called baby.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Kristen's like, when is it? When is it? When is this party? That's thenceforth. And she's like, it's Friday night. You guys can help me out. How should I say? Suck a dick. What do I do right now? And they just. The guys just, like, stare at her like, you gotta answer. So she goes, well, I don't know. So she tells us that she doesn't. She's not sure if she wants to go. But, you know, like, had Janet just given a heartfelt apology back at the white party would not be an issue. But she just doesn't know what to do. But she basically is like, well, thank you for calling. That was really kind of you. I'm losing my signal. Kaka kaka mariposa. And then she just hangs up.

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go over to Janet and Jasmine hanging out. And Jasmine's like, yeah, you know, Kristen told me she's helping plan for Santa Barbara. And Janet's like, what? She's like, yeah. I mean, I just. I, like, I can't believe she's helping him. Like, I mean, what are the odds? Like, she used to not like him, and now she's helping him. I mean, what's going on with those two? Right? It's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Janet's like, well, because obviously Chris and I have been on the outs for, like, a while, but, like, she and Jesse were, like, gonna, like, murder each other last summer. I mean, no casserole could have ever mended that relationship. And yet here we are.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jasmine's like, mind blown. Mind blown. Absolutely insane. So then we go to Michelle, and.

[Ben Mandelker]

By the way, I just want to clarify, my mind is blown that I'm actually getting camera time right now. That's it. I don't really care about those other two. I'm just. I can't believe they're filming me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then we go to Michelle and Aaron eating out, and they're talking about this Santa Barbara trip. And he goes, so when you say everyone's going, do you mean, should I. Should I bring the hunting table? She's like, you do not have dugum. But everybody, including Jesse, is going to gum. And he goes, yeah, I'll probably miss that one. Can I give you a QR code to wear on your T shirt?

[Ben Mandelker]

I'll be busy combing my chest hair to make perfect swirls. So then we go to Nia and Kristen, and they are going to an acupuncture place. It's called Wildflower Wildflower.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wildflowers are kind of my thing this season. I've just had a baby shower that was themed wildflowers.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Also, I eat them out of traffic medians.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm naming my baby Milkweed. Is that a wildflower?

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. Should be. I'm name my baby Dandelion. Dandelion. Milkweed. Dandelion, Milkweed. Generic white thing that sticks up on the side of the highway. You know, those flowers, seriously, they're not sweet. So they are just talking about smoothies and stuff and Haley Bieber smoothies being so expensive live. And then Kristen's talking about how, you know, they're talking. It's like they're talking about fertility and the journey, etc, and how Nia has really recommended fertility acupuncture. So she's been going twice a week to get pregnant.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So she goes in and she gets stuck with a bunch of stuff, and she's like, it's so stressful. We have a very small window. Like, sex is fun, but when you have to do it. Luke. I mean, trying to get Luke up. Oh, my God.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not fun. So Nia's like, yeah, on our fertility journey, but they said that I have unexplained fertility. And so that's basically when they look at everything in you and everything looks fine, but you. But you don't. But you. You're infertile and you don't know why. So I say, unexplained fertility. Can the doctors do better than that? Can we at least come up with some sort of, like, just make up something that sounds better than unexplained fertility.

[Ronnie Karam]

Doctors aren't even trying anymore. You know what? They're like, we're gonna just charge people, like, half of their income to come to the do for a cold. And then we'll just start naming things like, I don't know. Hey, you've got a really bad case of I don't know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Can you just, like, come up with something called, like, fertil dronesis, where it's like, well, this is when your body is. Is doing well, but unfortunately, the body does reject the egg instead of, like, unexplained infertility. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, you know what? We know you're suffering. We figured out what it is. It's called. Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's called. It's called. Can you give me five minutes? I'm gonna go to Starbucks and probably not come back to this office. Okay. Very specific diagnosis. But she got pregnant, as we know, three times over. Soon to be four times. So. Yeah. And then she gets choked up because she knows how hard it is when you're trying to have a baby. And every month you get your hopes up and then it doesn't happen and it's very hard. So, you know, it's, it's true. It's, it's. She gets emotional and it's. I want to say it's true, but it's a very true, honest moment. So then Kristen's saying, talks about her pregnancy loss and talks about how wonderful women have miscarriages. And she just, was, she's just getting nervous that maybe having a baby might not be in the cards for her.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. She says that when she was pregnant before that she, she imagined that there was a soul waiting up for her in heaven. And she's like, I hope that, that, you know, like, I hope the soul didn't go, but I don't think the soul dies. So that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So think of it that way. You're still going to get that soul. It's just coming at a later time. So then she gets acupuncture. I don't know. It's la. It's la. And anyway, you don't need a soul in la.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. That's the thing. Not a lot of souls. It's definitely not on this cast.

[Ronnie Karam]

Your child doesn't need to be born with a soul. It just needs to be born with a gym membership.

[Ben Mandelker]

A SAG card.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

There was a sad card that was waiting to come for me. So Nia is there. Nia is talking about, like, how, oh, if I leave Daniel for any length of time because she still calls him Daniel. If I leave Daniel for any length of time, I try to help, have someone to help. And Kristen's like, looks so good with kids, though. And he looks like Santa Claus, not like Vincent Van Gogh. Thanks a lot, Internet.

[Ronnie Karam]

So we see the, we see the Van Gogh picture next to Luke's picture, which is so funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

I feel like to credit what I think it was our listener, one of our listeners messaged us last year and said Luke looks just like Vincent van Gogh. And we put it up on, on the gram. And then I have to say, I think that listener started the Luke looks like Vincent van Gogh thing. So whoever you are, it was a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Pretty big thing on the Internet. Yeah, but yeah, Luke is Van got. But didn't he look like somebody else? Oh, no, that was Abe the babe. I'm thinking, sorry. Getting my, my historical figures mixed up. So then we go to Daniel's stroller parking garage. And Luke comes over, which I think it's so funny that Luke's coming to everybody's house. Does everybody really hang out with Luke? I get the impression that they don't because he seems shocked to be everywhere. And everyone's like, oh, it's Luke. Luke, come here. Hold on. Let me put down a newspaper on the couch. Okay, Have a seat right there.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. We haven't even seen Joel this season. Even Joel's avoiding Luke. So, yeah, Luke comes over and he's talking to Danny and talking about how the miscarriage was harder for Kristen than for him, which is normal. And they're talking about fertility doctors and, you know, having sex and all that stuff. And so we. Oh, we're still cross cutting. We're cross cutting back to acupuncture. And we're just talking about baby making. Lots of baby making.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I don't need that from this show. You know what I mean? I know. It's like you all go to the Valley, you pop out kids, and you're gonna have a show about that. I don't need it to. Actually, I don't need you to. I don't need to see the kids and I don't need to see the babies, and I don't need you to talk about it. Just. Just start fighting, you know, we don't need any of this.

[Ben Mandelker]

So. So Danny is asking Luke how long they've been together, and Luke is saying he has ideas for a proposal for Kristen. And Danny's like, wow, that's pretty cool. And he.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's how I proposed to Neil. We just gotten back from church and I hid behind the door and I came out with blood all over my face. She fainted, and when she woke up, she was. She was wearing a ring. Lucky girl. Lucky girl. She was missing an arm, though. So I was eating it when she woke up. I method do it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was an honor. It was an honor to be able to practice my craft during that proposal. So Danny's like, hey, by the way, are you in the boys chat? And Luke's like, no. Oh, yeah. It's really insane what they're saying on that thing. I mean, it's pretty gross. And then everyone's talking about, like this text chat that we. They hinted at last week and now it's coming back and apparently there's like 20 guys on it and they are probably saying all sorts of that would get them fired and canceled five times over.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Jason's not in it because he's on an Android Which I love that this fight just keeps going on in every friend group.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so true. It's like we need all blue bubbles.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, one of my. One of my group chats, there's only one guy now that's still on the Android. One of the most hardcore people finally came to an iPhone. She's like, I'm just sick of this shit. So she finally moved over, but we've got one guy who's still on an Android. And, well, I'll be sending, like, memes back and forth and stuff, and then we'll get, like, something from him. And it's just a tiny dot because, you know, like, they'll send a gift, but it's like this big. We're like, God damn it. No one can read this. Why is your Android sending it like this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. And sometimes, like, sometimes with those Androids, when you send, like, a text out, you're like, okay, I'm gonna include some Android people in the group text. And it does weird. It causes the group checks to, like, split up into two different threads sometimes. And people are like, is this the original thread? Is this the one? And you have, like, a day of people trying to be on the right thread. Oh, it's just. It's terrible. That's terrible. If someone's on Android at that point, you just go over to WhatsApp, because you're just not gonna. I'm not willing to do proper text messaging with. With those green bubbles.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Jesse is. Jason's not on there. He's not on the boys chat, which is made very clear here. And Jason's like, you know, from what I've heard, we see a flashback where he's saying, from what I've heard about the group chat, it's locker room talk and, like, not. Not stuff that Janet would really like. So. And Jesse said, yeah, you know, when I was first year in boy chat, I was voted rookie of the year, so I guess now is this guy, right? And Danny's like, the number one rule of boys chat is what happens in boys chat stays in boys chat, right? So then we cut to him immediately breaking boys chat rules by whispering to Luke on camera. Like, why is he even whispering? He's so messy. He's like, jesse made a comment saying, how is Michelle affording her place when she hasn't made a commission in two years or whatever? And he said, I have evidence that she's sleeping with a billionaire for 1500 a night, bro.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm just like, what is happening with those two? Looks like yeah. I'm like, holy cow, this is out of control commercials.

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[Ben Mandelker]

So then we go over to Jesse and Jason meeting up for coffee. And so they sit down, and Jason's like, hey, man, how you doing? And Jesse's like, I'm okay. Been an interesting 18 hours. He's like, okay, well, you're coming to Dave. And Buster's like, yeah, well, tell me what's going on. So Jason's like, well, I think everyone's invited. Although I don't know about Zach. I mean, I just am not sure if I'm super comfortable with that guy around alcohol. Like, does he even know how to handle himself around alcohol? So I'm like, okay with the slander of Zach is going to continue. But the irony is that we're about to find out that it's Danny who is the real disaster, but that Zach is the one you don't invite, even though Danny is the one who does actual problematic behavior.

[Ronnie Karam]

Right? And you still invite Jax everywhere, Right? So that's obviously that. So. But Zach, no. So he's like, I mean, yeah, he doesn't know how to control himself on alcohol. And Jesse's like, well, what's happening with Danny and alcohol, though? Like, Danny's been pretty bad. And he goes, no, you know, Danny's been good. I mean, he got drunk twice this year. I guess he just gets, you know, he gets drunk and everybody knows about it, so that's not great. And he goes, yeah, he'll have. He'll have a couple drinks, but then he'll go sneak shots by himself. And it's because he's stuck with kids. He never goes out. He doesn't go to happy hour. He doesn't do any of that. So when he does go out, he goes hard, but when he goes hard, he acts like a total idiot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Jason's like, yeah, he's been on some of the best behavior. I mean, I think he kind of hit rock bottom like he did on, like, you know, remember on Halloween? I'm like, oh, God, we're already at another cast member at rock bottom. So Jason's like, yeah, so not too long ago, Jason, Jasmine, was in a situation where Danny was blackout drunk and was, like, really, really inappropriate. You know, he walked up to Jasmine and put his hand on her thigh and said, get Daddy a drink. You know, referring to himself as Daddy. I'm like, yeah, I figured. I figured it was himself, Jason, thank you. And I'm sure he was not referring to an elderly gentleman in the corner of the room. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then she went to get the drink, and then he put his hands on the girlfriend's butt, and he was like, hey, Melissa. Yeah, did a little squeeze there. And so he's disgusting. We find out. So he's like, yeah, you know, I mean, I'm shocked. But, I mean, I guess he said, sorry, you know, I mean, he's not gonna do it again, so. And otherwise, he's in pretty good control of his life. I mean, just look at him. Looks totally happy. Plays a zombie for under five lines, occasionally has strollers stacked to the gills, threatening not to give his wife another bab unless she changes zip codes. You know, everything seems totally happy with him.

[Ben Mandelker]

He seems great, but Zach is the real one you have to look out for. I mean, does he put his hands on anyone and say things inappropriate to women? No, but, like, he gets. He raises his voice a little bit. So then Jesse is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I guess I would argue that he does say inappropriate things to women, but they're not.

[Ben Mandelker]

I meant more like lecherous. Lecherous. Just gay inappropriate. Not lecherous inappropriate. So Jesse's like, fine. Well, by the way, I was looking at the invitation for tonight. It's the Dave and Busters in Northridge.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Fuck off, Janet. Off, Janet. You know what? This whole episode, I was thinking. Yeah. This whole episode, I was thinking, janet's not so bad in this episode. Like, really. Like, she had a. She had a pretty good episode for Janet, I think. But Janet, when I heard they were going to Northridge. Why would you go all the way to Northridge? It's literally right over the hill from you.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's right there. I was shocked. I literally was like, wait, you're not going to the Hollywood one. You're going to Northridge. And I genuinely felt bad for Jesse because it was. He was already in the valley right now to shoot this scene, and he was gonna have to go home and then go back to the Northridge to go to Dave and Buster's later that evening. I was like, that is. I mean, it happened to a better person. But still, I was like, that's. That is.

[Ronnie Karam]

Hell, no. I live in the Valley. I would not go to Northridge to the day for. That's just great. But then, you know what? Later, when we see them all arrive and I see how they're dressed, I'm like, that's why they're going to Northridge. These are north. This is like Northridge fashion. As, like, they ain't going to Hollywood dress like that. So. Well, it made more sense, I will.

[Ben Mandelker]

Say, when they showed up at then. I've never been to the Northridge Dave and Busters, but when they went in there and there was like, you would go up an escalator. I was like, oh, this is a big one. Maybe I kind of get it a little bit. This is like a luxury Dave and Buster's.

[Ronnie Karam]

You go up an escalator to get to the Hollywood one, But the escalator's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not in the Dave and Busters. It's just that there's an escalator in the facility. But, like, this one was like an escalator in Dave and Buster's, and that made it seem very glamorous to me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, it looks very glamorous. So Jesse's pissed because he has to go to Northridge, and no one can blame him. But you know what? Northridge does not have a ban on, you know, more than five people of it at a time in rayon. So they go. So then we go to Britney's rental house, and she's like, oh, my God, I'm afraid the dogs are gonna wake up. Cruise they quiet dogs. You'll wake them up before Cruz does. So Kristen, Luke, and Zach come over, and Kristen's like, oh, my God. I'm having a wardrobe panic.

[Ben Mandelker]

I have to go out.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I see Chad. And.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Luke and I decided we were gonna go to Janet's birthday party. Basically, we were iced out of filming all of last year, and we don't want to miss another. Another shred of camera time. So it's been a really diff. I was thinking it must have been really difficult for Jenna to actually invite me to her birthday party. And so, you know, I have to give her A lot of credit for that. So also, like, Janet's been got. She has to be nice to me. Cause it's Dave and Buster's is her happiest place on her. And nothing could ever bad happen at Dave and Buster's.

[Ronnie Karam]

Britain is like, I wish they were coming, say out. That would be fun. But you're not gonna be able to come. Guys, you say so many things. And we're not mean. That's not what we're gonna do. Right? Say I can go, but obviously I wish you were there, but you ain't gonna be there. Okay. And he's like, I was like, like, but like missing your best friend. But like, that's okay. Like, go ahead and have fun. Hold on. Let me give you shocked face. Shocked face. Shocked face. This shocked face.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, it didn't piss me off that I wasn't invited to her party because as Kristen's demonic friend, I don't like that she's like that. She was gonna invite me anyway. I don't feel like she was gonna invite me anyway. But like, obviously we haven't like really talked anything out and we're like, not on great terms. But I look at it as like you're inviting Kristen and not me. Is it because my floors are so dirty that my boyfriend won't even walk on them? Is that why? Because that's hurtful.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, guys, let us talk about Santa Barbara. I was like, this is gonna be fun. But you know, we all want Jesse and Michelle to get on the same page for Isabella. So speaking of that, I was at Danny's and he said that Jesse said in the guys chat that Michelle's a for fifteen hundred dollars a night for a billionaire. Whoops. Did I say that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, Jesse saying this is obviously shit. Did, did I mean, did it make me smile and laugh a little bit? Like, yeah, but it's gonna off. He's like, I don't like these games of telephone. That's why I'm gonna play it. So if they don't get the concise truth from me, then there's no way to spin this. I'm saying it how it was. Or you just not say it at all.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a literal game of telephone. It's coming off of a telephone chat, which is so funny. So Kristen's like, I mean, Michelle, but like, I don't like that they're calling her hooker. That's not cool. And she goes, I mean, I just became part of team Jesse. You know, do I. Do I have to like, give back My card. I mean, I did take all the croissants, so it's not like he can take those back for me. I hit him. I hit him.

[Ben Mandelker]

This stupid guys. It just growed and grown, and now there's like 25 or 30 guys in it, and they're just all dumb asses. And if you want your divorce to go more smoothly, maybe, maybe start by not accusing your not yet ex wife of being a freaking hooker. 25 guys in a group chat. This is. This is wrong. Forget about even the. The what they're saying. This is too many people in a group chat. Like, that's a disaster. How do you have. How do you invite that many people into a group chat that I would literally never, never, ever, ever be. I would. I would leave it instantly.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's a lot of. Only fan screenshots to be sending back and forth. It's a lot of things. So now it's time for Jana's birthday. Let's go to Northridge. And Janet's like, oh, my God. My thing is Dave and Busters. I'm, like, super into Dave and Busters. I love Dave and Buster's. Dave and Busters is the best place on earth. Wow. Dave and Busters. Basic.

[Ben Mandelker]

Basic.

[Ronnie Karam]

You are basic.

[Ben Mandelker]

So she's. She's having fun at Dave and Busters. I. I did notice that Janet likes to frequent a lot of the games that I like to frequent, which makes me scared for myself because sometimes Janet does things where I see a little bit too much myself in Janet. And I. I just have to face that hard truth. I just have to accept it that, like, I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit too similar to Janet, and that's my cross to bear. But everyone's showing up, and it's fun, and it's. What.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's quite a cross.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, well, you know. Know, it's just. It's. That's what we. It's just a harsh reality. It's a heart so heavy.

[Ronnie Karam]

Crossed a bear, buddy. All right, so people start showing up. And Janice, like, look at how Michelle's dressed. I think that she thinks Dave and Busters is like an exclusive club. I mean, it's Dave and Busters. You wear fanny packs and, like, tank tops with ruffles on the collar for no reason. That's what we do here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So then. So people are saying hi. So Michelle and Jesse are both there, and Aaron, too. Aaron's like. Like, he is. His eyes are bigger than ever. He's taking it all in. And Michelle Is saying like, oh, hey, you know, Jesse's right there. And she's like, you know, it's funny. I wasn't allowed to wear makeup when we were married because he's like, I hate girls who wear makeup, and then they get makeup on my shirt. Jess is like this. And he walks off.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. He's like, does it bother me that Michelle takes jabs? No. I just expected at this point. Yeah, she doesn't need to be doing that either. Like, why. Why are you coming somewhere with your new boyfriend and then trying to start a fight with Jesse? Just leave it, you know? So then Janet is going to the prize room to pick things that she would like. And it's pretty much Janet taste in there. She's like, oh, my God, the ding, ding, ding, neon, neon sign. That's pretty good. I want that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I need to get the ding, ding, ding, neon sign, and I also need a shirt that says winner. That's very important to me. Yeah. So she talks about her methodology of going to the prize room first to set your. To set her goal for what the day is gonna be.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she gives the perfect gift of a gift to all the Janet haters out there. She just goes, I'm such a loser.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then everyone's doing games and stuff, and then Britt pulls Nia and Michelle, she's like, hey, so I just want to say this as soon as this started, so that way we can have a full, fun night of drama. Because that way we can have fun. Okay. Because, you know, some people would say, have your fun first. At least that way you can have innocent fun and then drop bombs. But I'm gonna drop the bomb at the start of the night. Okay? And that way you can have zero to no fun while you play skee ball. Okay. You ready?

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't have a lot of money for the skeeball machine, so we're just gonna do this now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay. Yeah, that's what it is, actually.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, I'm gonna save money. I'm not putting my money into this place. All right. We have to pay for Jax's rehab. Jesus Christ. All right, let's just get. Let's just get some free entertainment. Pin the tail on the donkey. So she's like, all right, I'm gonna do it right now, Michelle. Okay, you ready? Hold yourself. Okay. You're not holding yourself. Hold yourself. Okay. Today, Zach and Kristen and Luke came over, and they said that Danny saw the group chat or something, that he told Luke and Jesse you're hooking up with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night. Now I know that's not true. Because if it was true, you would bought me a Dave and Buster's card with some money on it so I could play skeeball. But it's not true, right? Is it true? Do you have his number? Do you have his number? Let me call him.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hell, dear him. Oh dear him.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And after all the lawsuits and so Michelle is like, he is a horrible person. I am shaking because no matter what, like if I left the divorce to get away from this is why I want divorce to get away from this. He's just making my life harder.

[Ronnie Karam]

Since the moment I told Jesse I wanted to file for divorce, all he wants is revenge. So she's crying, rightly so, because she was just called a hooker on national tv. And Britain is like, you know what we need to do now? We need to call Danny. Danny, come on down. Come on Danny. Make this funner. Make this more funner. Come on. So they call. Danny's like, oh, what's going on ladies? Hey, bring daddy a drink. Anyone want to get daddy a drink? Okay, get your hands off my boobs. Okay. It was nice try though. Okay, Dan, so earlier today Luke said that he went to your house and it was. There were a lot of strollers there. Said that too. He said it was real fun. Said it smelled good. Like diaper, like diaper buttons. Okay, now listen, did. Did he say that Michelle was hooking up with Millionaire for money? Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Danny. And Danny's just like. Danny looks straight into the camera like.

[Ben Mandelker]

He'S like, goes I'm dead. Dang it. Ah. So Brittany's like. Cuz we need to make sure he actually said it so that way we could be like Jesse, why would you say that? And he is like Daniel. Is that what, is that what you told Luke the other day? Daniel? And he's like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Better say it or not, yes or no. And he's like, well this was said. And Michelle's like oh no. And she's, she's like, boo oo oo oo oo. Boo oo oo oo oo. Okay, it's okay. Well now we know it's not true, Michelle. Now we know it's true. Now we know it's true. Now we know what's not true is true that he said was true, but we know it's not true. Does that make any sense? And he's like Danny. And he goes, yeah, this is going to come back to bite me real bad. This is going to come back on me, Danny. You said it on national television, sir. You said it on camera with a microphone on. Why are you acting so shocked that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It came out to Luke, who's already been his. Luke is a gossip slip. And she's like, it's too late, Daniel. It was sad. Now you gotta own it, Daniel. You gotta own it. So he's like, yeah, Luke, why are you doing this, dude? I mean, I thought we were boys. I mean, even though I told you something, you don't go tell Brittany, who of course is gonna tell Michelle. I mean, why couldn't we just keep this on the down low? Keep it on the lockdown. Come on, bro. And Michelle's just like sobbing there saying, I just want to get divorced and never talk to him again. I hate him.

[Ronnie Karam]

I try.

[Ben Mandelker]

I can't anymore.

[Ronnie Karam]

Daniel, why the hell just even saying that? Why is he saying it? You tell me right now. And Michelle's like, how good he say that? How could he just blurted out how good? And so now Kristen and Luke come and they're like. And Britney's like, oh, God. And Michelle says, well, he's the one who is broke. He should be doing it instead. And he cannot pay rent. He spent all of his money. He left me with nothing. So apparently on the after show, she said that once she gave birth, they had made millions of dollars in their business together, the real estate business, and they made all this money. And then once she gave birth, Jesse decided to quit working and she couldn't work because she was a new mother. And so he never went back to work. So neither one of them works. That's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

He quit working. Wow.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what she said on the after show. And she said he doesn't pay any child support or anything. And that's.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, that's bad a lot. Because she's sitting here, she's like crying. And I. By the way, I believe her. And she's saying that he spent all their money and he doesn't pay any. Like, not a dollar of child support. And you know, she's like, and. And now he's making up a rumor about me. And Nia's like, no one believes it. I have a daughter. He doesn't care. Which is true. Like, why would you be saying this stuff? Like, no, like. Like just having Jax on that group chat is going to be your biggest liability. Like, why would you say something like this knowing that it could become public and like, this is something that then your daughter might hear about your mom. Like, about her mom. It's. It's ridiculous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we find out in just a moment why he did it. But Luke comes over and he's like, hello, Hello. Hi, it's me, Luke. Fun Luke, everybody. And Danny's like, whoa, bro. We should about to get real real right now. Surreal, real, surreal real right now because of you. And Michelle's like, it is my. It is it my fault that my husband never wanted to dudge me or giz me or give me a compliment or ugly for years? So then Danny goes over to Jesse, who's standing there with Jason, and he's like, just found out some information. So Luke was over, and I mentioned that Michelle might be sleeping with a billionaire for money. And then that information got to Britney, and now Britney told Michelle, and now Michelle's over there crying. And Jesse's like, great.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jason's like, well, I mean, here's the thing about libel and slander. I mean, is it true? Because if it's true, then, like, you know, what do you have to worry about?

[Ronnie Karam]

So this is for everybody saying what a great guy Jason is. There he is. No, he's not. Who the fuck says that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Sleeping with a billionaire. Then don't worry about it. So he's like, I'm really glad I have an Android phone. I'm not gonna do all this. So Jesse is like, well, guess what? I'm gonna have an explanation that makes total sense to everyone. I said that as a joke because Jax is worried that there's a mole in the group. And because of all this stuff about who he's dating and where he's dating them. And all of a sudden it's getting back to all the people's wives and getting back to Brittany. You have 25 people in your group. That's why you have 25 people in your group. Your group chat should not be larger than like eight people.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And so he's like, yeah. So we decided we're gonna have a mole. A mole smoke out. And I said, you know, look, this guy's gonna be on mole chat. And so if there's a mole, we're gonna smoke him out. Maybe it's Danny. And Danny's like, 100%. It's not me, boys, okay? And he's like, oh, yeah? Well, he jumped on the boys chat. And now there's things about Jax coming out. Now it's about me. I don't think he understands the sanctity of the boys chat.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am not the mole. But in this instance, I did do some mole like activity, which I think also demonstrates That I am actually a very proficient actor. And if anyone is looking to cash the mole in any of their features, please speak to my agent.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you broke the number one rule of boys chat. You talked about the boys chat. Oh, stop. None of you are. Brad Pitt just stopped.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

You don't even have an Ed Norton amongst you.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't even have Norton Antivirus amongst you. You don't have anything that's antiviral. But I'm gonna say this. I think that this whole thing that Jesse was trying to smoke at the mall is a total bullshit. I think said it in earnest, and now he's just trying to backtrack because it looks so bad. So Janet is like, so why is Michelle. Why is Michelle crying? And they tell her. And Jesse's like, yeah, well, I guess Danny came over to me and said something in confidence to Luke, and Luke told Brittany, and Brittany told Michelle. Yeah, well, there's nothing in confidence in this group. And also, I'm at a high, high ticket game, so could you just give me some space? I'm trying to pull this lever back to the ball, goes around the spinny thing and lands in the hole perfectly. Thank you so much.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And she's like, yeah, I feel bad for Michelle, but nobody cries at Dave and Buster's. I'm trying to win the push point. The. The coin push. Okay, Keep it to yourself. So then Michelle's still over there crying, and she's like, yeah, I mean, Jesse says that said told everyone in the boys chat, I'm sleeping with a billionaire. And she tells this to Aaron. And Aaron's like, why are you worried about it? Are you out of honey? Do you need more honey? You know what helps with emotional distress? Honey, Honey kilo, honey. Get it wherever you get your kilo of honey.

[Ben Mandelker]

I got this great idea. I got this great idea. What if we open up a honey skeeball table at Runyon so people roll jars of honey up a ramp and try to get them into holes. I think this could be a breakthrough moment for us. Us.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, this isn't too much for you? You're the strongest person I know. I mean, you climb Runyon in a full face of makeup, babe. You can. You can do this. So Melissa and Jasmine are talking to Jesse and Jas. Jasmine's like, I mean, here's my thing. Like, I'm just. I'm confused. Like, there's like the whole. Danny. There's a text. There's her crying. I'm like, what the. Just have. Just Happened, right? Anybody? Like, what, What? What's going on? This group is absolutely crazy. Like, what? What?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jesse's still doing this thing. Like, I'm just trying to smoke out the mole. And Danny came over and said something to me, and I'm like, so you're the mole? I'm like, you're trying to deflect this onto Danny. This was all you, sir. So now Michelle, all of a sudden, now this is where things get real wild. Michelle suddenly walks up to Brit, and Michelle has now a smile. And for a moment you think, oh, good. Like, Michelle's like, you know what? I'm not gonna let this stupid rumor bring me down. I'm at Dave and Buster's and I'm going to have fun tonight. So she's like, I decided that I really want to go to Santa Barbara. I really want to be with you and support you and be with my friends. But I. I'm like, the thought of Jesse in the house. Why would he be in the house? So forget him. If he wants to go, he needs to stay in the hotel, and we're going to stay in the house. So in my mind, I had forgotten some of the. The basics of how this. This trip was put together. And I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds reasonable. I was like, yeah, that's reasonable. Sure, sure. Go, go. Go for it. I. I'm all. I'm all in favor of this, Michelle.

[Ronnie Karam]

But then we find. Then we remember that he's. It's his trip and he booked the house.

[Ben Mandelker]

I had totally forgotten. So I was like, yeah, do it, Michelle.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's going around, she's like, we need a vote. We are going to take a vote about it. What do you vote, Britney? I'll vote for you. That's what I vote for. I love voting. I mean, not in elections or nothing. I ain't taking responsibility, responsibility for none of that, but I'll vote for this.

[Ben Mandelker]

I want to be with my girlfriends, and I feel like I need to have a little break. Okay, Team Michelle, who is on it? And Janet's like, sure, yeah, okay, I'll vote for you. I don't. I don't really know. I got. I got a basketball hoop I gotta throw some things into, so leave me alone.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, please get away from me. I'm about to win the Dorothy Guard, okay? The wizard of Oscoin push machine. That's my favorite. So then Michelle's going around trying to get votes. And it's funny because Michelle's, like, desperate to get votes, and I'm like desperate to get people like Michelle not to vote. It's just like the irony. The irony?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's like a manic. It's a manic thing. She's so happy and she. Because she's, she just knows she's going to totally destroy Jesse's trip. So then, so then Jasmine's talking to Nia and about like, like the mole situation. He's like, this is too much. And Michelle walks up and she's like, guys, I decided I'm going to be in a great mood. I turned on my good mood function and I'm going to move forward and I need to have some fun. So I think it's weird if I stay in the same house as Jesse. So is everyone okay with him going to hotel? And they're like.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm like, what? I mean, like, hold up. Like, first of all, he's planning the trip, so just don't go. I mean, if, like, he doesn't deserve Santa Barbara, I mean, what, what is she talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is the moment when I was watching. I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Wait, wait. She's trying to get him kicked out of his own house that he's buying, paying for. I was like, that's not going to work.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So then Kristen comes over and she does this whole thing for Kristen. She's like, zo, I'm going to have a vote. Either he stays in a hotel or I stay in a hotel. Which she's added because she knows she's not going to get Kristen on her side. Right. So Kristen's like, I mean, he rented the house. She's well, it doesn't matter. And Kristen's like, so I mean, if you're going to demand the vote, then I vote for Jesse. Like, he is like.

[Ben Mandelker]

You gotta, you gotta grease some bombs around you. Michelle.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Chris is like, show me your purse. Are there croissants in there? No. Okay, well, I'm going. I'm on Jesse's team. Cook all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, Chris. Like, she's like raising that, that, that shoulder up and she's like, Jesse booked the house and I'm helping him plan the trip. And Michelle, I'm sorry that Jesse called you an escort, but if the rumors are true, you can definitely afford a really nice hotel.

[Ronnie Karam]

So now Jasmine is like, yeah, I mean, banishment sounds crazy. And Michelle's like, but that is what I want. Like, you get what you deserve. So rent a house. I mean, rent a competing house and then try and get everyone to go stay at the Competing house. You can't just. Her rules of engagement are fucked. Like, I don't understand what she's getting at here.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is. This is derailed. I think she had, like, a moment of like, I'm gonna get him back. And it seemed like such a good idea at first, and now it's crumbling before her eyes as, like, the logic of it starts to become, you know, like, laid out there. And Jesse.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. I think it's easy on this show. Like any other show. It's like, who's the bigger asshole then? I'm gonna be on the other person's side. All right, so in this case, Jesse is just such a piece of that the natural inclination is just to be on Michelle's side. But Michelle's also an. Now, she's not an abusive like Jesse, so I'm still more on her side than his. But she's also still an. And she treats other people on this show like. So you get what you deserve because you're not getting all the votes. Jasmine's like, yeah, like, I have a good relationship with Jesse right now, so I'm gonna vote for him to come.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so basically, basically, Michelle retreats to a corner and starts crying again. So it's like this. This happiness, which is like, I decided to be in a good mood. It was like, she was never in a good mood.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you didn't earn the votes. You know what I mean? You didn't go door to door. You've treated half this cast like. And now you're going to get the rewards. Yeah. She's like, why do not my friends see my side of this? I'm going through just as much as Britney, if not even worse. Jesse is far worse than Jackson by far.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I. I'm not sure. I. I don't. I can't even play, like, the who's worst Olympics between those two.

[Ronnie Karam]

But they're both terrible. And I don't think you're supposed to say that about your friend anyway. Like, my pain hurt more hurtful than yours. And also, if Jax was not in rehab, they would have invited Jax. So it's not like they're treating Britney so much better than you. They would have also had Jax on that trip. No one kicked Jax out when he was screaming at Brittany and calling her an alcoholic and stuff while he was coked out of his mind.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's right. So the Kate comes out, they're wishing. They're singing Happy Birthday, and Michelle's just crying. It's really sad. And Jesse is. He's like, well, clearly I have some things I need to talk to Michelle about and we're gonna go, we're gonna go on this trip together and, well, you know what? The best fights happen in the ring. That's the way I see it. I was like, oh, my God. Oh, it's gonna be such a toxic trip.

[Ronnie Karam]

Y show is just bleak. I mean, my God, it is dark. It's rough to watch sometimes.

[Ben Mandelker]

I, I think I, I find it to be very watchable, but it really, it is, it is dark. It, it's, this is, this is like grown up right here and it's, it's.

[Ronnie Karam]

It'S rough but it's grown ups doing childish, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's like that divorce fight. It can, divorce fighting can be just really. That can be, that can be the darkest that you see and get times too.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Well, that ends the valley for us today, everybody. Thanks so much for being with us. We'll be back tomorrow with some summer housing. Go get your tickets for Austin, Dallas and Vegas. Austin will be next week. Next Friday we're going to be doing summer house and then we're going to be doing Vanderpump rules in Dallas. Episode 605 Sex, Lies and audio tape. Get your tickets at watch what crappens.com and don't forget, forget Friday, we are going on sale for our Los Angeles show in June. We'll talk to you next time. Everybody.

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