#2826 Checking In with Dorinda Medley and Kiki Monique!

Summary

Watch What Crappens Episode #2826: Checking In with Dorinda Medley and Kiki Monique

Released on May 2, 2025

In this episode of Watch What Crappens, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam welcome special guests Dorinda Medley and Kiki Monique from the SiriusXM show Reality Checked. The lively discussion delves into their collaborative journey, memorable moments from the Watch the Crappies Awards, the dynamics of friendships within the reality TV sphere, and insights into the latest developments in Bravo’s reality shows.

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1. Collaboration on SiriusXM’s Reality Checked

Dorinda Medley and Kiki Monique begin by sharing exciting news about merging their respective shows into a united front on SiriusXM.

• Ronnie Karam [03:28]: “We combined forces. So Kiki's been doing Reality Checked, I've been doing Reality Checked. And yeah, they decided to take the two great ones and put them together.”

• Kiki Monique [03:54]: “Kiki will show up on your doorstep... she goes deep, she studies the trials, she's very detailed.”

This fusion brings together their strengths—Kiki’s in-depth analysis and Ronnie’s sharp commentary—creating a dynamic and engaging show that promises fresh perspectives for listeners.

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2. Memorable Moments from the Watch the Crappies Awards

The conversation transitions to reminisce about the Watch the Crappies Awards held in 2021, marking their first event post-lockdown and celebrating a decade of their podcast.

• Dorinda Medley [04:36]: “Dorinda gave us these when you came to our 2021 Watch the Crappies Awards. That was our first one back after lockdown and it was also our 10-year anniversary.”

• Ronnie Karam [05:06]: “The energy was so good that night and I couldn't believe how packed it was.”

Dorinda highlights the unforgettable moment when they surprised the audience, which elicited an overwhelming and joyous reaction, symbolizing their successful return to live events.

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3. Navigating Friendships and Social Dynamics

A significant portion of the episode delves into the intricate web of friendships among reality TV stars, exploring how their relationships have evolved over time.

• Ronnie Karam [07:10]: “We've been friends for so long... there’s always been at least funerals, there always been at least one of us in the odd, you know, in the audience of life throughout the last decades.”

• Dorinda Medley [07:26]: “I do love that you guys actually are like a real circle... Some shows, you sort of feel like once filming ends, they just go their separate ways.”

Ronnie emphasizes the enduring bonds formed through shared experiences, contrasting with other shows where cast members drift apart post-filming. They discuss the importance of maintaining these relationships despite the pressures and glamour of reality TV life.

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4. Reflections on Reality TV and New Shows

The hosts analyze the current landscape of reality television, particularly focusing on Bravo’s new offerings and the evolution of iconic franchises.

• Kiki Monique [12:23]: “Do you think about going on Love Hotel?”

• Ronnie Karam [12:26]: “Yeah, I think I'd be great at Love Hotel. Bring in some great hairy guys from Queens. I need a mafia guy.”

They speculate on potential spoilers and future plot twists in upcoming seasons, expressing both excitement and apprehension about how new dynamics might unfold within beloved shows like Real Housewives and Love Hotel.

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5. Legal Battles and Personal Trials

A poignant segment touches on the legal struggles faced by reality TV personalities, shedding light on the personal toll these battles can take.

• Ronnie Karam [16:12]: “I lost my narrative. Or rather, it was stolen from me... I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours.”

• Dorinda Medley [25:08]: “I just need to do those things where you throw like Cheetos on the counter and then put cheese on top and then blow dry it to cook it.”

Dorinda and Ronnie open up about their own experiences with legal issues and the impact on their personal and professional lives. They discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity and integrity while navigating the often harsh spotlight of public scrutiny.

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6. Predictions for Future Real Housewives and Legal Implications

The episode concludes with the hosts making bold predictions about which Real Housewives might face legal troubles in upcoming seasons, blending humor with genuine concern.

• Ben Mandelker [38:19]: “I feel like Kyle Richards might end up only because Mauricio... could be around that.”

• Kiki Monique [38:47]: “I didn't like the Garcelle departure at all... I want you to stand up for yourself.”

Their speculative discussion highlights the precarious balance between fame and personal stability, underscoring the potential pitfalls that reality stars may encounter as their careers progress.

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7. Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors

As the conversation wraps up, Dorinda and Kiki tease future projects and continue to reflect on their journey within the reality TV ecosystem.

• Ronnie Karam [23:28]: “We're working hard towards that. I just think there's something show left in Bluestone Manor.”

• Dorinda Medley [24:38]: “Yes, we are still.”

Their commitment to evolving their content and staying relevant in the ever-changing media landscape assures listeners of more engaging discussions and insights to come.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ronnie Karam [03:28]: “If we're good separate, you can only imagine what we're like together.”

• Kiki Monique [07:10]: “There's no controlling that.”

• Dorinda Medley [16:12]: “I just need to do those things where you throw like Cheetos on the counter and then put cheese on top and then blow dry it to cook it.”

• Ronnie Karam [38:19]: “I feel like Kyle Richards might end up only because Mauricio... could be around that.”

This episode offers a deep dive into the lives of reality TV personalities, blending humor, candidness, and insider perspectives that both longtime fans and newcomers will find engaging and insightful.

Transcript

[Dorinda Medley]

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[Kiki Monique]

It's the best and biggest mission yet and the most fun you'll have at the theaters this summer.

[Dorinda Medley]

Man, I remember watching the first Mission Impossible when Tom Cruise was dangling above those lasers. And it's been great ever since.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, he really does all that stuff, too. That's why it's exciting to it. I've seen all of them. Tom's passion for entertaining audiences has him, along with the dedicated cast and crew, pulling out all the stops to deliver the most thrilling, unbelievable feats yet.

[Dorinda Medley]

See Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning only in theaters Friday, May 23rd. Hello, darling. How are you, darling?

[Kiki Monique]

I do say, it never truly occurred to me how much I adore British television.

[Dorinda Medley]

But seriously, British TV is so good.

[Kiki Monique]

And it's not all queens and crumpets.

[Dorinda Medley]

It's the wardrobes, the witty little quips, the cute little villages where three people die a week, the reality show, minus the melodramatic music.

[Kiki Monique]

They just do TV differently.

[Dorinda Medley]

And BritBox is the place to get it.

[Kiki Monique]

They have so many amazing mysteries, comedies, crime thrillers, gorgeous dramas, the cutest little gardening shows.

[Dorinda Medley]

Way more than we realized.

[Kiki Monique]

There's a good chance your next TV obsession will be British.

[Dorinda Medley]

So switch it up and see it differently with Britbox.

[Kiki Monique]

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[Dorinda Medley]

Kisses, darling.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, man. The weather is warming up and it's nice and cool at night. It's the best time to be outside on my patio. And you know what I've wanted? I've wanted those, like, big club chair things that kind of swivel for the outside. And I found them at Wayfair, baby.

[Dorinda Medley]

No surprise there, because Wayfair has all things outdoor. I am in the market for for a nice outdoor coffee table. And I know that I'm gonna get it from Wayfair because I already looked and there's like five different ones I'm ready to buy.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, right now I'm all about the outdoor seating. I'm pretty much finding every single piece on Wayfair, which is amazing. I mean, they're not joking around over there. And I've already furnished most of my indoors with it. It's just so easy. And I can even have people come put it together.

[Dorinda Medley]

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[Kiki Monique]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Watch what happens.

[Dorinda Medley]

Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much. Well, I mean, it is. It is beyond our honor to have two luminaries in the field of media with us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow.

[Dorinda Medley]

Welcome, welcome. Actually, back to the show in both cases, Dorinda Medley and Kiki. Monique, welcome to watch what crappens.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, we're very excited to be here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

So you guys tell us what's going on. So you're doing a show together now on Sirius.

[Ronnie Karam]

We combined forces. So Kiki's been doing Reality Checked, I've been doing Reality Checked. And yeah, they decided to take the two great ones and put them together. I mean, if we're good separate, you can only imagine what we're like together. And Kiki's so good because Kiki is the real mind behind it. She goes deep, she studies the trials, she's very detailed. I'm great with all the commentary. Something new and different.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah. Kiki will show up on your doorstep.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. No, I'm a stalker. No, for sure.

[Ronnie Karam]

When she told me yesterday that after Shannon Bedor's crash, she actually jumped in her car and got to the scene to get a piece of the cement or whatever it is before it left.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is Shannon's. This is Karen's. Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

No, you don't. You have Karen's too.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, I don't have a display yet, but they're in there. They're here. I gotta find good display.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes.

[Kiki Monique]

You're a sick woman.

[Dorinda Medley]

You have to send Kiki a little piece of Bluestone Manor to go along. Like just in the cement collection.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, she's got to come and sleep in the fish room.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes.

[Kiki Monique]

Give her, give her a piece that Ramona broke off when she had all the lighting written.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yes.

[Dorinda Medley]

I have my Bluestone Manor bourbon, which I love. It's so. The bottle is beautiful. So Dorinda gave us these when. Dorinda, you came to our 2021 watch the crappies Awards. That was our first one back after lockdown and it was also our 10 year anniversary. That was an immensely special show. And we were just saying right beforehand that like, we. I don't know if we've ever heard the audience scream and just like lose their minds more than when you surprised everyone. On that stage.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God, it was so much fun. The energy was so good that night and I couldn't believe how packed it was. And, you know, it was so nice because we had all just had come out of the pandemic, so we were all kind of back in it again. But not, you know, used to being very isolated. You know, we were all like, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Woo.

[Ronnie Karam]

What? Can I do that? Can I touch that? Can I see that? So when I came on stage and, you know, I hadn't been in a room with that many people in, well, almost years, right?

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah. That was crazy. This year at the Crappies, I played you. I did a number as you in a turban. I did you from Sunset Boulevard. You were singing the song from Sunset Boulevard.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wow, that's good. I'm surprised you didn't get a call from Luann saying, how dare you?

[Dorinda Medley]

Stepping out our cabaret.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm the one that discovered Sunset Boulevard, for God's sakes. Darling.

[Kiki Monique]

I was in the original cast, which.

[Ronnie Karam]

They actually asked me to be in it last week, but I couldn't do it. Gabra. Gabri.

[Dorinda Medley]

It used to be called Sag Harbor Boulevard.

[Ronnie Karam]

I was just out with Luann, like, 10 minutes ago.

[Dorinda Medley]

Oh, really?

[Ronnie Karam]

I was out with Luann, Sonia, Ramona. There was a bunch of us on just catching up. We have a group and we kind of once every couple months, someone just decides we're all going to get on a zoom and talk about, you know, there's always some whack. I swear to God, Sonia was still opened up with talking about Mr. Morgan. So it never changes up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm so fascinated by people's group chats. Like, when I hear, like, this is a group chat, I'm like, this is the one I want to be peeking into. Like, who cares about the Valley Boys chat? That sounds gross.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, can I tell you something, Kiki? I thought of you because there was a woman on that was sort of acting as a commentator that brought like, has this idea for all of us. And she literally, at one point, I said to her, tracy, are you going to speak? She goes, I just. I don't know how to enter this. There's. I don't even know what. I'm so over. I thought I was going to be in control of this meeting, but I don't know how to. I'm just having fun watching it with.

[Kiki Monique]

All four of you. There's no way.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. There's no controlling that.

[Ronnie Karam]

No.

[Dorinda Medley]

I do love that you guys actually are like. Like a real, like, circle, Right? Because Some shows, you sort of feel like once, once filming ends, they just go their separate ways and they come back, they all pretend.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, you guys know, we've been friends for so long. I mean, the show kind of. It was. Think in a lot of ways was made because of our crazy, eccentric lives in New York City and the fact that we had such foundations with each other and each other's kids and marriages and divorces and baptisms and dog deaths and graduations. I mean, we've all. There's always been at least funerals, there always been at least one of us in the odd, you know, in the audience of life throughout the last decades.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, and that's like, what worries me too, about like future, like reality stars. Like, I'm. I'm excited about Jen, you know, Jen NY nyc, that whole thing. But like, I think that like, people don't have relationships in the same way because they meet online or they just, you know, they're just so used to being behind, behind keyboards where you have a group of women where it's like, yeah, you were going to lunches and galas and all these things.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll be honest with you, a lot of that has to be because New York was. Because the only form of communication we had during then was work, happy hours and, and your answering machine. So, you know, you had to get out there and meet people because, you know, there was no city in your apartment, otherwise you had no ability to communicate. I also truly believe that our generation. What is our generation again? I don't even know.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think you're ex, right?

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah, I think you might be.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm not saying this like our mothers that are like, that was the best music. Although I think our era music is still the best music. But okay, I do think our generation of especially women were very social, very tribal, very social. We were always together. I mean, there was an incredible Instagram the other day that this comedian had. And he goes, he shows a bunch of women going to different places and farms and shops. He goes, what is it with you and girls weekends? You say girls weekends. You always dump their girls dinner, girls weekend, girls out. And you just say women's retreat and the goddamn thing is sold out. What are you women doing?

[Kiki Monique]

Ignoring your stupid hairy, unshaved asses. That's what we're doing.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, you know, I think this gener, my daughter's generation, they're back. There was a little bit of like, solitude in this last, whatever, 10 years. But pro Covid, I think it's happening again. The Gathering of the great women. You know, you go out and do your stuff, and we like to look at smelly soaps for an afternoon. So leave us alone.

[Dorinda Medley]

Do you remember. Do you have any memories of when you met some of. Some of the women in your. In your circle there, like.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of course, yes. I met Luann. I was at a very. This multi. Multi. Back then, this was rich millionaires. Now. You might as well just file for bankruptcy immediately.

[Kiki Monique]

That's like blue collar now.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, according to Britain, unless you're making seven figures, you can't even order doordash these days.

[Kiki Monique]

I know you're. You're making a million dollars. You live on the set of Roseanne, you know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, exactly. Like, really? Because then I think I'm in trouble. But back then, you know, we went to a bat mitzvah book, Baz mitzvah, and I think they spent literally like $250,000 on it. Which, by the way, back then was like, what? And Luanne was dancing on. I'd known Luanne because I'd lived in London and I'd. You know, she. When I would ever go in the summer to wherever south of France, whatever we did back then, in the glory days, the heydays of wealthy husbands and lifestyles, you know, I would see her and I knew of her, and you would see her at parties, but it was. Was really. And that's where we met. On the dance floor at a bar mitzvah. We just. I would. I just saw her and I think, oh, I gotta think. I know that woman from London. And I hopped on the dance floor and the rest was history. Ramona, I knew because Ramona's been around. You can't live in the same way. You cannot go to a party in Palm beach in New York City without seeing Ramona. You can't live on the Upper east side. And our kids went to school together.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

Wow.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Sonia has always been a fixture. I mean, Sonia was the great organizer of the wealthy men with women early days. I mean, she truly has been doing that a long time. And very good at it, let me tell you. So there was a club on. I think right now it's called. It's something else now. Anyway, it was on 60th between park and Madison. And they had a rope. And our biggest dream was to get through the rope. You had to be friends with Tiger or something. And I remember Sonia would come in at night. We were all very young and broke, but, you know, we could always have enough money to get Someone to buy us a drink at this late night place. You know, we never paid for drinks. We would just target a man and be like. And Sonia would walk in a room and I tell you something, she really has something. Like, she just. Men loved her. And you turned your head when you saw Sonia walk in the room.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah. Still do, eh? Still got its own. So what do you think about this new crop of shows coming out? Obviously, we're still pissed at the traders. Do you think about going on Love Hotel?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, I think I'd be great at Love Hotel.

[Dorinda Medley]

You would be, but they have to.

[Ronnie Karam]

Bring in some great hairy guys from Queens. I need a mafia guy.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, I don't think they're. I don't think they're. That was one of the biggest surprises.

[Ronnie Karam]

Crocodile white, crocodile shoe. I want a nice solid guy from Queens that will take me to Rails twice a year.

[Kiki Monique]

I think they would get them. I was actually impressed with the guys because I thought they were just gonna get a bunch of, like, tweezed and waxed, you know, Instagram guys. And they actually got real guys.

[Ronnie Karam]

I just told. I really like this. And I like it because it's definitely a show that they can roll out. You know, I think Keighley said that yesterday, but it's true. This, this, you know. Although I still never understood why they just didn't keep going with the ultimate girls trips. I know that they say it's because of the. The. But why? That's some sort of bizarre. You know, we're all told these things at tv like we're not eating oranges on Tuesday because you have an orange on Tuesday. You know, so we never really know why. But you know, we did St. Bart's and it was such a huge success and it kind of appeased the masses. Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

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[Dorinda Medley]

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[Ronnie Karam]

I lost my narrative. Or rather, it was stolen from me, and the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Kiki Monique]

Everyone has that friend who seems kind.

[Ronnie Karam]

Of perfect for Patty.

[Ben Mandelker]

That friend was Desiree.

[Ronnie Karam]

Until one day I texted her and she was not getting the text. So I went to Instagram. She has no Instagram anymore. And Facebook. No Facebook anymore. Desiree was gone.

[Ben Mandelker]

And there was one person who knew the answer.

[Dorinda Medley]

I am a spiritual person, a magical.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Kiki Monique]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Me to a mystery in a Texas suburb.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'm calling to check on the two.

[Ben Mandelker]

Missing Brazilian girls, maybe get some undercover crew there.

[Ronnie Karam]

The family are freaking out. They are locked.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm Chico Felitti.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Dorinda Medley]

And that's why also, by the way, just, you know, Ronnie just mentioned the Traders briefly. One of, like, the big, big, big draws of this season was because you were going to be on it. And I was really so excited to see you at the round table. Like, really kind of like, cross exam.

[Ronnie Karam]

Stop it. I'm gonna cry again. I cried for one straight month after I got murdered.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, a whole month. Oh, my God.

[Dorinda Medley]

If they said, hey, I saw a.

[Ronnie Karam]

Psychologist over, and I was so upset.

[Kiki Monique]

You did. Oh, my God.

[Ronnie Karam]

My therapist. I felt like such. I got in there with such glory and excitement, and I really prepared myself in every single way. Hannah had me basically get a PhD in traders. I worked out my clothes were just fucking. Off the record. I mean. And yeah, I went there with those six suitcases, and I came home with those six suitcases, and I was like, hannah, come home, because I don't want to look at that ever again. Take it all.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, were you at the psychologist? Was it because, like, you thought, like, people didn' you or like, what was your.

[Ronnie Karam]

I went to my therapist. Like, my therapist I just had to talk to. Because I just was. First of all, I don't. Kiki. I'm so Sagittarian, as you know, because you're one of us. We just don't fail at, you know, so. And I'm so competitive that it was. This was an. Usually I can control my environment. You know, this was an uncontrollable defeat and such a huge def. You know, and I was so excited, and I knew that I could create some. Yes. Great content. Storing the castle and my fabulous Alaya black gown. You know what I mean? That I had this image in my mind and, you know, within 36 hours, there I was back at JFK.

[Dorinda Medley]

But if they asked you to come back again, would you be like, no, I'm not gonna put myself through that again, or no, I. I would.

[Ronnie Karam]

I would say. I would hope, because I don't think I really got the experience.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah, I want them to bring you back because I think the outrage online was huge. Because honestly, because you have always been so, so amazing in group settings. Whether you're being funny, whether you're going off on someone, it's just like you're very compelling to watch. And so I think a lot of us were excited at the idea of you just being at that roundtable and someone giving a line of bullshit and you just coming for them. And we felt robbed. And so I personally. I personally think the producers should reach out to you again.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, it was that one. There was that. There was a hashtag going around because they're called hashtag Abandoned Traders us. And I said to go on and do a promo saying, no, it's gonna be great, you know, because. Yeah, it was, but it was a great season anyway. It was somehow made the show without me got. I was, you know, there was a little part of me that was like, I don't want it to be so good.

[Dorinda Medley]

And Chanel too, by the way, the back to back of you and Chanel was really hard for us Bravo fans, because also Chanel, we saw the episodes and that was.

[Kiki Monique]

It was the first time I noticed the kind of divide between Drag Race fans and Housewives fans. I didn't know that there was like a war a brewing there. That was so weird. And I was like, well, I'm not going up against Drag Race fans. I'll just sit quiet here. On the way.

[Ronnie Karam]

At the reunion, I was taught I had to talk with Andy and he said, he's like, this is going to be your easiest reunion ever. I said, oh, no, Andy. I'm just going to sit there and come out and not say a word. It is not my place. I was not, of course I get out that Bob the Dracula. I was about the money. Well, let me tell you what I.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah, you're like, how dare you?

[Kiki Monique]

How dare you, sir?

[Ben Mandelker]

You heard me.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's looking at me like the cameras come on. And I don't know, it's like, you know, camera cocaine. I can't stop myself, you know, but.

[Dorinda Medley]

That'S why the Housewives are always so good, I think, on the Traders in terms of entertainment, because the roundtable, I feel like the reunions prepare all of you for getting to that roundtable. I mean, you saw, you know, what Robin had no. Had no qualms just jumping in and, you know, she wasn't there long, but she actually was really good. Yeah, really good at, like, making accusations. Dolores was. Dolores was more chill, but Dolores is generally more chilled. Dolores is usually not gonna start up with you unless you come for Her. And it's actually funny. She came to the. She came to the crappies this year, and my friend was like, by the way, I really liked you. I hope you're having, Like, I'm really enjoying you on the Traders. And she told our. She told my friend what a lovely show. I had such a fun time. And my friend later on was like, I think she won, because there's just no way that Dolores is saying, like, what a lovely show. If she got. If she got kicked off.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, because everyone else you talked to is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.

[Ronnie Karam]

You know, people like, oh, my God, they take away your phone. They take. I looked at it as, like, wow, they're gonna take away my phone. Thank God. They're gonna take away my. You know, we get so little silence and peace in our life that, you know, to be obligated to be in silence and peace, I think. I mean, I do a lot of that at Bluestone Manor, so I, you know, I sometimes just leave my phone on charger in my room, so. Because I still come from that era where I did that, you know, I. I lived in London for, what, 10 years, so we were way behind in phones. I didn't have a phone until, like, Hannah was 4. I think we got a phone. So that was. And we're still in London. So that was, what, 1997? Because we were so far behind in London and we were still doing this.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

Are you doing a Bluestone Manor show? Did I read that somewhere or is that just.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes, we are still. It's so funny. I was just on my. My liability insurance. But, yes, we're working hard towards that. You know, I've got like three or four things in the making, so I just keep pitching away. I just think there's a. There's something show left in blue Stone, man. I think there's one more.

[Dorinda Medley]

One more.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think we should do just the great American. The great Bluestone Manor tag sale. Empty that shit out and just sit down. Everybody come and take whatever they want. I've been living on it. I said to myself, I was walking the property the other day because it's just coming back alive. And it's really interesting because I've been doing it for 20 years. It's almost like, you know, I've got the same characters or the sons of the same characters. And I was thinking, how much longer am I going to be doing this? Like, you know what? At some point, it's the enthusiasm waves because Hannah's no longer comes as much and stuff. And my parents are older. But listen, it is, I have to say, when I was there last weekend, it is truly one of the most beautiful properties.

[Ben Mandelker]

And you have fun neighbors. You said Elizabeth Perkins is your neighbor. Like, you know, like Elizabeth Perkins.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's, you know, Ken Faulks up there who's like the greatest, biggest designer design part of the White House at one point. There's, you know what the Berks. The reason why the Berkshires worked for me at this point because I think because I lived abroad for 10 years, it's much more of a Britishy kind of lifestyle, like dinner parties, you know, there's no glamorous parties and all that. It's more like a country home.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, but I like that.

[Dorinda Medley]

Well, actually. And to that end, any plans for cookbook Dorinda? Because we've seen you, we saw you cook a lot on the show.

[Kiki Monique]

I used to watch your YouTube cooking videos.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've just started, I'm starting those up again.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, you are?

[Ronnie Karam]

They did really, really well. You know, I, I, it's so funny. I just, I'm just in the midst of, Well, I pitched a book to Simon Schuster. That's not that. But people aren't so interested in cookbooks anymore. No.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I think they are because they're really into the, like the trad wife is like a still a thing people. Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

I don't know.

[Kiki Monique]

I just need to do those things where you throw like Cheetos on the counter and then put cheese on top and then blow dry it to cook it. You know, those stupid TikTok videos.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I think if I ever did do a cookbook and I've thought about it a lot and even laid it out on, you know, on Chat gdp, you know how we would do it? Because we did. That's the way I do my whole life. Now I'm like, I gotta figure out what to eat. What should Dorinda eat tonight? And they're like, dorinda, do you. Okay. I love that Chat gdp.

[Kiki Monique]

You should be, you should be like the voice in the mouth better in.

[Ronnie Karam]

College, if I had that right.

[Kiki Monique]

You should be the voice in the maps. I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask my maps to make you the voice and just have. You're going to turn left after I said left.

[Dorinda Medley]

You, you're right.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on. I'm not well about that Wrong turn. Make it nice.

[Kiki Monique]

Changing it at the last second, as.

[Dorinda Medley]

My mom would say.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think if I ever did a cookbook, it'd have to be A cookbook sort of entertaining lifestyle book. That way, I think you could grab the attention. My favorite.

[Kiki Monique]

Or a cookbook show. You know, like, I'd rather you. I'd rather see you. I mean, I like watching you make your food, you know, and hear you talking and telling stories and stuff like that. I mean, a book no one reads, people just pretend to read. I mean, look how unnatural it looks on the traders when they show one of those reality stars in the bathtub reading the book. They don't even know how to hold the book.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Kiki is great because Kiki covers all these trials, and we started. Watch. She started going. I just don't. She started going very deep yesterday about the Kim Kardashian trials.

[Dorinda Medley]

Oh, what are you on?

[Ronnie Karam]

Kiki? Tell that. You know, just tell them about your interests and the way you do these. Trust like, you. She could have been a lawyer.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, I could have, but I honestly couldn't have because I hate going. The thought of going to school that long is like, you go deep. But no, I mean, like, it's just like. I think most people, you know, especially when it comes to celebrity, like, they want to understand what's happening, but going to actual court is, like, boring. Like the Tom Girardi trial. There were times I was literally like. Like, passing now, and I was like, this is terrible. And it wasn't until Tom was just like, you know, saying f you to the prosecutor that it's like, oh, we get exciting. But I think people just want the. The Sparks notes, right? They just want the highlights of, like, what happened.

[Kiki Monique]

And I'm like, the Law Order version.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly. I'm willing to go through the, like, torture of it all just to get the highlights.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you know what's great about this? Combining forces. You know, everybody has their methods, the way they do it. You know, I kind of ran the show. I'd watch it, and kind of as I. There's a lot of sort of. As an ex reality star or someone that was on that understands the production, I have my point of view. And then Keke has a totally different point of view. And it's really interesting to, you know, talk like, you know, give us cause. We both learn a lot from each other, which I think helps the audience. And we have a very healthy call in which I really love, I think a good call in radio show.

[Dorinda Medley]

Kiki, you've been at this for a little while now, right? In terms of. Of content, content creation, podcasting, et cetera. How long have you been. Have you. Have you been in the game, honestly.

[Ben Mandelker]

It all started during, like, lockdown. Like, everyone, like, when everyone was doing nothing, I just started making TikToks. And I don't know. I don't sing or dance, so I was like, I know how to talk, and so I'll just talk about stuff. And, like, that's where it really started. And, like, I just did that. And it eventually led to, like, where we are, which is what's so funny, because it's like, you know, in the world of Bravo, like, yeah, people would probably say, yeah, I'm the fan, right? Because I was like, I am a fan who has now just, like, become someone who wants to talk about it a lot. Which is why I do love hearing Dorinda's perspective. Because someone who's been on the other side of the camera, I'm like, okay, I'm seeing things. But let me tell you, as a fan, we do not agree.

[Kiki Monique]

Update me on the Erica Girardi stuff, because she's still got stuff beyond Tom, right? And, like, this season of Beverly Hills, they just kind of washed. You know, they walked right past all of that. But I was really into that stuff, and I just kind of got bored because trials, you know, the other thing about trials is they just take years and years forever.

[Ronnie Karam]

Did you. Did you hear, Kiki, that they really gave her a friends of contract?

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, again, I think it was. If they did that at all. I believe they did it in the same way they did it to Dorit to get a fire under her ass. Because, like, it works, right? Because, like, Erica's not. She has said she's not going anywhere. And. And she does have trials of her own that are not attached to Tom directly, that are specifically for her. And she'll. She can easily go on and say, well, I can't talk about it. It's a pending legal litigation. And so they're like, well, well, if you're not going to talk about it. Friend of. And then maybe they'll get a fire at her ass and maybe, you know, she had an easy season, so they're kind of like, you're not going to get any season.

[Ronnie Karam]

But, you know, listen, regardless of, like, if the content was there, regardless, she had. She. We. I mean, they had a really a gun. I mean, I think it'd be a huge mistake to make her a friend of. I just think she's physically for the eyes. She's a fixture. You know, she looks great in the lineup. I think it was totally fair that she got a little pass this year.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, for a while.

[Ronnie Karam]

Were on the grill for years.

[Kiki Monique]

For a while. Weren't they casting people and then telling them kind of at a later date, whether or not they were friend of exactly. Do you think it's just maybe like a threat? I think it's with you, it's like you're re auditioning kind of.

[Ronnie Karam]

What do you think about the Garcelle that made me sad because I love Garcelle. I'm a huge Garcelle fan.

[Kiki Monique]

I didn't like the Garcelle departure at all, but I would have. It's. It kind of reminded me of the Vanderpump departure where she just said, all right, fuck you, then I'm out. And I Did you see the light? Like, I want you to show up and I want you to fight these idiots. You know, that's the whole point. I want you to stand up for yourself. And I understand that there's under a lot of reasons.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think it was with Garcelle that I think got. Cause just knowing her, you know, what little I know about it. But she reminds me. She's a lot like me anyways. I can deal with a lot of stuff, but when people are disloyal and I just felt. She felt like she had that moment where you just. In the room, you're like one of these things go to get like, no, no one likes me here. Yeah, like no one even. And you know, I think it was very hurtful when she was called boring and doesn't show her life. And you know, I don't know Erica who.

[Dorinda Medley]

Like one of my biggest complaints with Erica. I think in some ways Erica's really good. But one of my issues with Erica is you still don't really know who her friends are. We don't really know what her life is. I know side of hanging with this group and it's been like 10 and.

[Ronnie Karam]

We'Ve never seen a boyfriend. I thought about that the other day.

[Dorinda Medley]

Or a date friend. We don't see the son. We don't really see anything. We only see her getting into outfits. And I just.

[Kiki Monique]

But I think that is her. Yeah. Like for me, that is her. I don't know that she has boyfriends. And I'm not accusing her of anything, but I think that sometimes I think a lot of that was just an act. Her like over sex. Sex kitten thing. I think, you know, she went home.

[Ronnie Karam]

To Tom, you know, Erica out with mystery man. You did what? Briefly. I think she was in Las Vegas and there was some guy during the trial. But I Don't even know if that.

[Kiki Monique]

Was a Rush Limbaugh looking guy who owns the casinos.

[Ronnie Karam]

But you rarely see caught, you know, Erica with a man leaving a restaurant. I actually go as far to say I think Erica's probably. When she's not working or performing, is a big home buddy. By seeing the way she loves her home so much.

[Dorinda Medley]

Which. Which is why it was obnoxious that she called Garcelle Boris boring. Because it's like, okay, call me boring, but you don't get to call me boring when you're not showing all these things or if you're not showing them because you don't have them going on. And I think that Garcelle also was just like, wow, I don't know if these people like me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

I'm not getting any backup from Sutton. And on top of that, I'm at a place right now where I'm producing these movies. I've got some. I've got.

[Ronnie Karam]

I got a brand new grandchild.

[Dorinda Medley]

Like, I've got a house.

[Ronnie Karam]

I've got a house. I got my.

[Dorinda Medley]

These people.

[Kiki Monique]

She parlayed it. She parlayed it into something better pretty early on. So I think she was like, okay, I got it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Bye.

[Ronnie Karam]

Not only that, I think thing with Sutton, she's just. I mean, that was like. I think that was. I think I would think, knowing Sutton, that she feels very bad about that. You know, that happens sometimes the show. You get a. You. You get yourself in a thing with the show. It takes over and you run with it. And then you realize, oh, that's right. You really are my friend. And that's what you're hoping. The off season allows you to re. Knit back together, but sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes, you know, the show takes over and you forget that you've got a ride or die to the left because, you know, you're kind of getting the glitz and glamour and fame of it all.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

Were there any. Were there any relationships you felt in your life, in your experience on Roni where you're like, oh, that's too bad. Like. Like the show kind of like we. We sort of lost our way because of it?

[Ronnie Karam]

No, because we always knit back together. I mean, anyone that was worth knowing, anybody that I ever talked to, now I'm pleased not to talk to.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, you're fine not to talk to.

[Ronnie Karam]

So keep Sagittarian like that. You know what I mean?

[Dorinda Medley]

Like, me too. December 4th over here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

When you're done, you're done. Yeah, well, I'm never done, which is why I'm going to bring this up again.

[Ronnie Karam]

But I've got one dumb. But what I will do is I don't get. I don't sweat the small stuff. So if it's just an argument or something, we can get past. I'm like, let's just put it behind us.

[Kiki Monique]

And I think as we get older too, we see how cycles work with people and it's like people come in, people go. And that's it. You keep the close ones close and the rest, you know. But.

[Ronnie Karam]

Story of my life.

[Kiki Monique]

Update me on. I really want to know about the Erica Girardi Marco. Marco case. What's happening with that?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, that's the thing. Like, I've been trying to keep up. It looked like there was a filing because it looks like, I guess there was a case also happening in Florida or something. And I guess from maybe the other partner. And there was a filing that wasn't done by her attorney. And so there was like, could be a default judgment automatically that goes towards it, but I don't know if that's being rectified. But that one is definitely still headed to trial. I know that she tried to get it dismissed, but it's definitely going to trial. I just don't know when because I think that her bankruptcy, like the 25 million, like, because what we learned in the Tom Girardi trial is, you know, $25 million did get transferred to EJ Global LLC. And so there is a case basically around that. And so I think that's happening first. And so I think, you know, I don't know. Again, like you said, trials.

[Kiki Monique]

Thanks. You saved me the good morning because I get tired.

[Ronnie Karam]

How is all these lawyers getting paid?

[Kiki Monique]

I mean, the Vegas guy. No.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, they must be all. But all must be on contingency because I know myself. I talked to my trademark lawyer and two days later I have a bill for 6200 8000. Like what I keep asking, tell me how to spell my trademark that I post.

[Kiki Monique]

You know, I know that's how I am. I'm like, please don't make us call the lawyer anything.

[Ronnie Karam]

Can we go what bills? These people. People. Like, I was even thinking about Dorit and pk. Like, you know, that's going to be an expensive. And it's so interesting because we'll talk about it today in the show. But remember yesterday everyone was asking this 10 year. Why, you know, Joey, why he waited. He didn't know why he didn't file before the 10 year mark.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's Kind of all coming out.

[Kiki Monique]

But isn't that. Isn't that because is. Aren't they saying that the moment of separation is when it counts anyway. But then she put on the filing. When she filed TBD on the date of separated tbd.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. No, it doesn't. You have to actually file it because.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, for financial reasons. That's the beginning. But you really do have to file because if you reach the 10 year mark of being legally married, when you file, you file, you start to do the dissolvement of the marriage. Right. But what's interesting is because people always look at, you know, when they're going to split the equitable distribution. But if you got to remember, equity distribution works in both ways. When you have money and when you have debt.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, that's the big. That's the big question with them. Right? Because do they even have money still? I was listening to Bravo docket, which I love, and they were going through PK's cases and that man was worth like 3/4 of a billion dollars. Like his businesses were worth a ton of money. And then he went through all these bankruptcies and all of this, and now they're not paying their mortg for months at a time. They just got that paid off. But I think the question is, like, do they have any. Where is it hidden? Like, where is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

The bigger question of divorce is what does he have? But what are his debts? Because that's what they take out first. The debts, you know, are always the scariest part of any, you know.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. What was used as collateral on debts? What was. Yeah, like that's the scariest part. What is stuff going to start getting.

[Ronnie Karam]

Repoed then the only option is to sell the house.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Someone can't buy out the other one. Then there's a.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, they don't own that house, I believe is owned by one of his business LLC with multiple partners. So I don't even think she would get a ton from that. But we have to let you go. But before we go, give us a prediction of the next next Real Housewife to go down with legal issues. Start with you. We'll start with you, Keith.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, my God. The next. I feel like, oddly enough, I think Kyle Richards might end up only because Mauricio. I keep. Only because Mauricio. I keep hearing things about Mauricio. And because they're still married, I feel like she might get dragged into it in an Erica Jane type situation. I'm just saying, I just.

[Kiki Monique]

And Kathy said this year, Kathy said this year something like he doesn't have the money to pay somebody off. Like, she made a comment like that. That was like Mauricio. What doesn't he, though?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know. I just feel like that could be. I feel like there could be a shocker in that situation and it could be around that.

[Kiki Monique]

Okay, well, that's interest. Interesting. What do you think, Dorinda?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I don't have any backing on this, so I'm just.

[Kiki Monique]

We don't need backing.

[Ronnie Karam]

And you just want to guess?

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, just a guess.

[Ronnie Karam]

You want the. I mean, if the gods were to whisper in my ear, I think we're gonna see some problems. I can't get sued for this, can I?

[Kiki Monique]

No, no.

[Dorinda Medley]

Well, no, we're.

[Ronnie Karam]

Just say the word.

[Kiki Monique]

This is like a deadpool where you guess who's gonna die in the next year. It's just morbid. More material.

[Ronnie Karam]

There's a lot of. And things going around. Bronwyn from Salt Lake.

[Kiki Monique]

There is. Yes. That's going to be an interesting season.

[Ronnie Karam]

Accumulating and accumulating fast and. I don't know. Something. I just have a feeling. And I think those girls are digging it out as we speak.

[Kiki Monique]

They are. That now that cast is going to. With your life. I'll tell you why.

[Ben Mandelker]

Especially.

[Dorinda Medley]

Well, especially, obviously, that entire cast. It could be that entire cast because, like, between, like, Lisa Barlow and Whitney Rose, like, the bottom's gonna fall out somewhere. I also think that Drew Sedora. I think Drew Sedora could wind up having some. Something.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a good one.

[Kiki Monique]

That one's kind of. Doesn't she already?

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, we're just trying to figure out what her husband does. I mean.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, nobody knows. Well, he does. He's. Whatever he's doing is doing it from a very nice basis. Basement with the screen. All right, you guys, thank you so much for being here. When can we check out Reality?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's on every Monday through Thursday, 4pm Eastern, 1pm Pacific on radio Andy, channel 102, SiriusXM.

[Kiki Monique]

Beautiful. We'll be listening. Thank you guys for coming.

[Ben Mandelker]

Thank you.

[Kiki Monique]

Bye. Bye.

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[Kiki Monique]

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